Should I Delete That? - Magic, mind reading and hypnosis with Joel M

Episode Date: October 2, 2022

This week, Em shares big some news and the girls chat to magician Joel M joins the girls in the studio for a chat, some magic and mentalism. He blows their minds with some unbelievable tricks and manages to make it all entirely accessible in an audio format, who knew! He shares how he got into magic, why he does it and how it truly is better to not know how the trick works.Check out Joel’s new podcast Influenced! wherever you get your podcasts, and follow him on Instagram and TikTokFollow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] & edited by Daisy GrantMusic by Alex Andrew Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Yeah, you should definitely delete that. Hi, M. Hello. How are you? Given what I'm about to tell you, I feel like should I delete that is not what we should... It's not the language that we should be using.

I cannot delete this. You cannot delete this. Should we go straight into it? Because it's like, I feel like I'm nervous, but you're more nervous, but we're both very nervous. I've got some good news I am pregnant

Woo Oh my God Oh my God Surprise Surprise I'm gonna feel this is so terrifying Al I'm literally shaking

For context We're recording this on Thursday Tomorrow I'm gonna announce It on Instagram And you are now listening to us on Monday So you probably already know because you saw it on Instagram if you follow me um yeah but i'm quite pregnant i've made a substantial amount of baby i'm

halfway um through so yeah i mean poor owl's known for ages i'm actually really surprised at no other podcasts as guests because every time i've listened back even to snippet i can hear myself retching or hiccuping so often yeah you've been quite sick haven't you yeah i've been Like, I mean, obviously, there's no bad in this situation. This is, my bad is not this at all. But, as part of my good, like, so yeah, I'm halfway through. I'm like, well, I don't even know. I get a bit confused with trimesters, but yeah, I'm like super pregnant.

So yeah, I'm like halfway, halfway through. The first trimester was really, really, really, really bad for sickness. I've been on medications since. I think I got prescribed it at seven weeks. poor owl has borne the brunt of this and carried me through because I just haven't been thriving so I got prescribed the anti-sickness at seven weeks which is like super early but then I didn't take it until 10 weeks because I was a total martyr don't know why um and yeah so super sick and um that I found that very difficult and then it didn't go everyone's like no right ends at the

first end of the first trimester I was like cool cool cool and then like 13 weeks came just whooshed straight by. I was like, nope, still violently fucking sick. And then everyone said, well, don't worry if it doesn't happen then, it'll happen at 16 weeks. And I was like, cool, cool, cool, cool, yeah, I can, I'll just wait for that. And then, nope. But about 18, like 19, 18 weeks, it just got considerably better. I'm still on the medication,

but I'm feeling a lot better. It's been a lot, though, hasn't it? It's cool. It's a girl. Oh, it's a girl. It's a girl. It's a girl. Oh, my gosh. We've got a little podcast friend. I know. So how has it been keeping it a secret from everyone?

This has been so weird. I mean, like, obviously the first trimester, most people keep it a secret anyway. Like, most people go until, like, 12 weeks is standard. Which I actually didn't do with you guys. I don't think I could have done. Like, I genuinely, I think all of you have been like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

So, yeah, like, my really close friends and family, you before 12 weeks because I don't really like that whole you know the stigma of you know because I just kept thinking I was like what happens if something bad happens I'd want these people around me so yeah I told my close you were literally I think you were one of the first people I told I feel like we had to tell the story of that you were so this is so off to a letter literally I think I found out on the day was it the day you found out yeah you found out the day because, so, okay, so this wasn't great. But, like, idiotically, I decided to take a pregnancy test

on a Monday morning before work. And it was literally like 8 in the morning. Poor boy Alex was just eating his egg. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, shit, and he's, like, got a mouth full of egg. And I'm just like, anyway, I have to go now. And because I was coming to record. And we were going to record the Frankie Bridge episode,

which was obviously so long ago. and I was with you and then we had a really busy day because we went to interview Frankie, then we went out for lunch, then we had a meeting I think and then we were going to a screening in the evening. So I was

feeling like, I was just a mess I was so, I was in that complete shock I was like couldn't speak and I was a bit nauseous but I can't even pretend like knowing what came next and I can't even claim that was nausea. You're fine.

I was fine. But I was Just like, I was so anxious all day. So can you just take over from your side, please? So we went after interviewing Frankie Bridge, which actually you did remarkably well considering, because obviously, like, I had no idea that anything was wrong. But then afterwards, we went out for lunch. And I was like, if something's up,

and I can't really work out what's up. And I was like, either like, she, I don't know. didn't think that interview went well but it obviously did so I soon crossed that out I was like or it's like have I done something wrong I was like I'm just sensing real weird energy from her and I don't know what it is so I kept being like are you okay are you okay and then I was like I can't say are you okay again because she said yes twice so I was like I don't I think I said like have I done so are you in a mood with me but first you said it you said first you were like have you had a fight with Alex and then you were like and then I was like no and then like a bit

more time passed and then you're like have I done something and I was like I can't I can't do this and I'm going to tell her and it literally spilled out of you and I was like whoa yeah I was like no one's fucking fine nothing to do with you um it was oh my god she doesn't seem like 45 years ago literally that seems like so long ago that's mad so long ago and yeah it's crazy yeah and then and then we went out yeah we just have to carry on as normal i know i know just to and i wouldn't let you tell anyone like we just had to go like to meetings and then out yeah okay so cool you're in on this now welcome to hell well we can't speak do you know what i would love i mean it will never happen because it's far too time-consuming

but if daisy was to get all the wretches and hiccups and like weird like sicky burps that you've done throughout this like however long it's being all the times i just run away all these all the time yeah who to put all that footage together oh my god it'd be yeah i'm surprised no one's kind of worked it out i honestly yeah like there's been no guessing like i think the only time because so i think because of the sickness because it was been quite severe um i also am now anemic and i don't know if that's just like part of my pregnancy experience i don't know if it's just because of the sickness, I don't know, but so I've got low ferretin, which actually we talked about in the interview with Nadine, um, yes, about my ferretin being low. And I just kept being like, oh my God, someone's

going to catch on. Nobody did. But then I had, because I had a migraine and I've never had anything like it. I had a migraine a few weeks ago where I lost all my vision, which apparently quite common in pregnancy. And again, to do with the low iron. And that was the only time some people were like, oh, I got these when I was pregnant. Not saying that you are, but I was like, but I've also felt terrible like I've had to hide my pregnancy pillow in all my content and obviously I've had to hide a bump under that's all my cool new clothes guys that's what the cool new clothes are. See I actually feel so like kind of relieved but also terrible like I'm I'm scared I feel so many things I feel so many things yeah it must feel weird because

it's been a secret now for a really long time like months and months and months so it must feel weird now that it's just out. I know. Like I can't imagine wearing something like tight like like out the house. It's actually so weird that we can just talk about it openly on here. It's really bizarre. I know. I know. Because the amount of times we'll say something and I get, oh no, Daisy, we're going to have to take that out. Yeah. Yeah. Poor Daisy has been like editing like crazy. Boxing. Yeah. I mean, I'm no Molly May, but it's felt. Oh my God. I mean, what a time, what a time to be. Look at the company I'm keeping. I mean, the one thing I keep thinking is I feel very lucky to be pregnant in a post-reana era because she has really just set the expectations

on fire just do whatever the fuck you want yeah but em i think you want to wear tights over your midriff yeah but em i think we're all expecting a little bit of riana from you like we want just a little bit of a like bump dressed up moment you know like bump out and about it's all i look at i don't see bump i just see belly so i'm just like and everything in my like being everything everything everything that diet culture has ever taught me is not that I should just like walk around with my belly out you know what I mean but it looks so cool it's so cool I know I know I know we'll get that I know I think we can have some fun now yeah give me a minute like we've gone from like naught to like a thousand yeah so yeah I think that's everything I mean it's pretty huge it's definitely my good

yes it's a good yeah I mean it is a good my bad is also been within within this like um I might as well be honest. I don't know. I'm really scared to be pregnant on Instagram. Yeah. Or pregnant in public. Like, I think I didn't plan to keep it a secret for as long as I did. But then I just got really scared of sharing it

because I think the world's, like, really quite brutal to moms and pregnant women and, like, particularly on Instagram. And, like, I haven't made a secret in the fact that, like, I've let the forums hurt me in the past and like gossip and trolling or whatever you want to call it and I think for the last few months I have felt more vulnerable than I've ever felt in my life and I know it's hormones but I just do not know who the fuck this chick is like I literally I woke up yesterday morning just sobbing I was just like am I okay no um and I just don't know what to do with the amount of emotion I have like I just I'm I'm very

very, I'm just very unfamiliar with everything and although it's amazing and a miracle and I can feel her move in my tummy and it's the coolest fucking thing and I can't wait for Alex to be a dad and I feel like the luckiest person in my life and within the confines of my house it's the best thing in the world but I've just been very scared to take it out the house and I think that I've now built it up so massively in my head that that's been a big part of the anxiety and I actually think by the time this comes out everyone who's normal will have been lovely and I can just be like oh okay that's fine then yeah sorry there we can keep that in there you can keep that in here cheeky little sick um the cheeky little vomit I think

your concerns around this are valid because we've seen a lot of how people yeah like with mums but I think it's so important to realize that that is such a minority of people and like the vast majority of people like basically everyone who follows you is going to be happy for you and pleased for you and excited for you and honestly the rest of them can just go suck a dick yeah it's your life and this is something that you're doing and that's that and you don't have any you don't have to answer to anyone and you know it's a really yeah it's it does really help and like and I know that and I think it's just it's just a really interesting time

and I and I know that so many women will go to this I don't think it just happens in our career I think it happens to so many women where you just think fuck like my whole identity will change because society does view like mothers in a different way and I'm already just like oh my god I like I'm so aware that it becomes this massive part of your identity and it's how you're defined and like obviously people expect that because I work on Instagram I'm going to go straight into mummy blogging right you can take this as fucking gospel my friends that is not for me it's not it's not what I want to do but it's just been I've been trying to work out how I can stay me and keep doing the job that I love which isn't about kids and maybe you know I know

my world will change completely um but i'm just i'm really scared i think with this job because when you have a kid your job kind of changes too so it's like my whole life's about to change and i've just got no idea i think it's just anxiety but i think that's that so many women like anyone who's having a baby because the way that you're defined by society changes massively the way that you're viewed in the workplace is is changed and i know like the guilt like i think i've got the guilt already and she's not even born yet so that's been like just in the interest of honesty I haven't found that the easiest thing um just like the fucking fear of the unknown fear of announcing it fear of my of who I am and who I'm about to be and yeah yeah and I keep waiting for somebody

to tell me that I'm too young and nobody has because unfortunately I'm you're not I'm just not I keep waiting for someone to be like oh god this is are you sure this This is a lot. You know, at your age, my favorite encounter so far has been outside the hospital. I bumped into one of my dad's friend's kids, who was at our wedding. It's one of my God's siblings, basically. And she's 15. And I bumped into her, and I was being sick behind a telephone box.

Oh, my God. It was a real low point. I had my mask, like, under my chin and my sunglasses was on, and I was literally vomiting into a prep bag. behind a telephone box and I remember thinking to myself this is bad this is low and I literally just behind me it was like hey I'm and I was like hi okay I was like obviously not no and then I was like and then she looked at me really worried now I said no it's okay I'm pregnant she went oh shit you're gonna keep it and it's like oh my cup oh great I was like yeah I think so.

I was like, oh cool, good for you, good for you. Anyway, got to go, bye. I was like, all right, see you. It was so good. It was so good. Oh, my God, I've so many awkwards now. Just like, I've been saving, I've been writing these orchids to bring them all to you.

And most of them just, that was probably the worst. But one of them was that day, we did the Venus shoot. We did a shoot with Venus. Yes. And just as you were arriving, I ran into the loo and there was no door on the loo. There was a guy standing outside the loo working, sitting outside the loo, weird work spot but wasn't going to question it and I ran in and I was

so violently sick and as I was sick I also needed a week so I slightly pissed myself and I thought gorgeous this isn't good this isn't good at all there's a whole team out there of stylists and hair people and makeup artists and they just

put me in this nice little outfit and I've just fucking vomited so hard that I wet myself so that was good sick and pissed yourself gorgeous gorgeous But now I can bring them as heaven So yeah

That's my good My goodness that I'm pregnant My bad is that The hormones have made me Completely fucking wacko But on balance It's wonderful How are you

It is It is and we're all It's going to be It's so exciting And oh my God It's so exciting We've got a podcast baby That's so cool

I've got a podcast baby I mean she's more than that But you know Right here by now Yeah she's our little mascot She's our little mascot are cute oh i'm literally i'm so in love with her already it's so weird like i just don't i don't know it like i've only seen her a couple of times three three times in the scans i've got this

big sis i've got a big sister one of my own reasons because there's so much i haven't told you guys like it's so weird there's like because i normally share shit and i just just anyway i've got a huge cyst like when we had the first scan it was like way big than the baby you'll be pleased to hear that in the race she is now her head she's she's trampling it um but yeah what was I going to say oh yeah so I've seen her quite a bit because they've been monitoring the cyst as well um so I've seen her a few times but um yeah I'm just obsessed with her like she's so cool she's moves all the time and like I just really feel like we're vibing and every time I felt like lonely recently which is quite a lot because I'm really

going through some stuff emotionally and I'm just like lie in bed and I'm just like oh it's so sad and I don't know why and then like she's like poof I'm like oh yeah and then vibes I don't know I just like she's really cool I know, so cool. And, and oh my God, you are, I think, like, you're basically, like, the same pregnant, the same amount of pregnant as Molly May. How fun. I know. How fun.

I know. I know I'm going to have someone to compare myself to the whole time and come up lacking consistently. I'm already, already, like, all over it. I'm just like, well, okay, this is going to be, this is going to be a lot. Yeah, because you know, she's going to have like photographers in, like, videographers in to, like, document the whole thing. It's going to be like... She's going to look fucking gorgeous. Like, there'll be like her hospital photo and she'll have her beautiful, like, wavy hair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm really happy for her, but I just, my expectations for myself and not, I'm not matched. I mean, she's also, like, really, really young, right? Like, she's like 23.

Yeah, she's like... Yeah, see, people are probably... saying it to her. Yes. Oh, you're very young. You're expecting it, but you're just not getting it. I know. Anyway, honestly, I've taken up all of this time. So tell me, you're good, please.

Well, that's my good, too, is that we've got a podcast friend. We've got a little, okay. My good is that you're having a baby. That's obviously very exciting. And it's been, you've obviously I've known for a while, but it's so nice now that it can be out in the open. And you're halfway through. so there isn't long there isn't long to wait

which is crazy it's really stressing me out I'm like oh my god it's it's happening yeah it's imminent because I put a I put a ban on buying anything or even looking at anything because my Alex is just

beside himself with excitement like isn't he just going to be the best dad and the best girl dad but he um he gets carried away so I was like we just can't buy anything until until like you know halfway and whatever

so yeah I wouldn't let it now now we've got here and he's like so stuff and I'm like oh shit oh there's a lot there's a lot and fuck knows what what what

what stuff Al because I cannot tell the difference between anything I have read so many reviews and I don't get it and everybody swears by something else self-across, eye-canny bugaboos, foxes, donkeys. It's just, it's a whole world out there. Do you know what you need?

Snooze, snus, snooze, yeah. My sister swore by her snoo. But what you need is you need someone who's been through, who's a really good friend that you really trust, who's been through it recently, and get her or him to give you a list of exactly what was, like, useful for them. Because there'll be a lot of shit that they bought

that they didn't actually end up using or they thought it wasn't very useful. So get them to give you a definitive list of like this was really helpful for us because you can go. Like my sister just, her house was full of gadgets, like literally full of gadgets. Like she had no countertop space left in her kitchen when the baby was first born.

And a lot of it was actually just shit that she didn't end up using that it wasn't actually very helpful. But some stuff like the snoo, for example, which is expensive, but she was like hugely, hugely helpful for her because it helped the baby get to sleep. Yeah. So she didn't have to rock it all the time. I need to go and look at all of this stuff.

I need to go and like eyes on. Yeah. Because I just don't know. And obviously like on Instagram, everything looks great. Like the Insta adverts or like influencing stuff. Right. Obviously it looks so good. But I'm just, and it's not that I don't trust the people that I follow.

It's just that I am so overwhelmed because everybody recommends something different. Yeah. So I need to just, I don't know, I don't know, like that's, that's, that's going to be a whole thing. But it'll be fun. But also, I think, I do think as well, it's stuff that you can, like, assess as you go along and be like, okay, we're struggling in this area. Like, what could we get, what could help us in this area? Do you know what I mean, rather than, like, buy a whole lot and, like, yeah, I don't want everything. I mean, we're going to, we need to get, we need to make a room for her.

Yeah, there's stuff to do. I'm going to be busy. It's, but, but it's cool. Yeah, there's stuff to do, but it's exciting. Yeah, it's good stuff. Fuck, I can't believe we've told everyone. I'm literally like, ah. I know, it's so weird.

It's really weird. It's so weird. I feel like it just felt like it's going to be a forever secret. I don't know. I know. When my mum said it today, she was through a real spanner in the works because I rang her crying, obviously,

because I'm just a fucking mess, obviously. And she said, and I was like, I'm just so anxious. We announce it tomorrow. And she's like, well, do you need to announce it? And I was like, do not bring me here, woman. it's taken everything and I have had this date in my head

I said I was like I just need to get halfway and then we've got the sweaty Betty the hags that sweaty Betty are taking the hags to go and run a half marathon next weekend and I thought everyone's going to be like why aren't you doing it and then I'll have to show up there and then everyone's going to be like why have you got a baby bump

so I was like I need to acknowledge it before then because then it just gets too hard to hide and I feel shady and I don't like it so I've always said I wanted to do it before then so this has been my date, and then this morning, she was like, well, do you have to? I was like, oh, Christ, I can't, I can't get into this now, so it's out, it's out. It feels like a good time. It feels like a really like, it's organic and it works with the hags.

And I feel like it feels like a really good time. Yeah, and I feel like I've really, now the sickness is stopped. I feel like I can show up, it hasn't stopped. Now the sickness is dissipated. Yeah. I can kind of show up a bit more because I've really had nothing. If you look at my grid content for the last four or five months, it's just been podcast posts. Yeah, yeah.

Do you know what's really funny, actually. Sorry, not to like take it away from this stuff, but my sister said to me the other day, I can tell how your mental health's been each week by how many posts has been between podcast posts on your grid. What, me or you? me me oh god i can tell for myself as well that's how i check in on myself i'm like fuck that's been a rough week because there's no posts yeah i thought that was really funny it's like it's so true oh that's so funny that it works for you as well yeah like purple purple purple i'm like oh that was a bad two weeks wasn't it i'm like yeah it was it was quite bad oh my god that's so

true we're so so um predictable but yeah no you can be like you can be honest on stories about what's actually going on so then that yeah it's just going to be easier like i haven't been able to show up and even even i don't know i mean i it's weird it's like now i'm kind of out of how bad that sickness was it's like i've forgotten already how bad it was but it was i was being sick like 20 times a day yeah it was really it was wrong it was really bad it was really really bad and like i's yeah i already i've kind of like rose tinted it i was like i don't i think it was okay actually i was like no it was in the depths of hell back yeah it was it was rough it was a lot yeah but um it's we're thriving we're winning they need to just worry i meant to give

you a peace sign but my hand was facing the wrong way we're thriving out enjoy that okay um have you um have you got anything bad for me i do i do um yes i do so my bad is that I was on a walk with Betty and Dave, as we do. Normal, nothing unusual there, but we went to a different park and there are deer in this park, right? Oh no. And so we are walking along and I looked down on the floor and I saw the most perfectly formed acorn, right? It just looked so beautiful and I was like, oh my God. If this was 2015, you'd have taken a stunning photo of that and uploaded it to Instagram

and hashtag cozy. Yes. You're an hextamatic filter and Zuella would have shared it. Yes. Or like Higger or however you say it. Higga, yeah. Higie. Yeah.

I like your way. Whatever it is. So I saw it and as is customary when one sees a perfect like a beautiful acorn and you've got to pick it up right? I believe that is customary yes. Yeah, exactly. So thank you.

So I go to pick it up and I was like oh my god Dave look at this acorn so I'm bending down to pick it up and I'm grabbing it and as I'm grabbing it Dave's like no and I was like I was looked up like oh my god what have you dropped Betty like what

dogs aren't allowed off the lead in this park also because she might literally kill a deer and I was like oh my god what and as I'm standing there with acorn in hand and the acorn wasn't very hard I was like oh it's a soggy acorn and then I was like, oh no, it's a poo. Oh, no.

It's a soggy, it was a poo. I picked up a poo. You're such an idiot. But I have to say, it was the most acorn-looking poo I've ever seen in my life. That's probably going to be a challenge now. Do you know how many photos we're going to get d-end of poos that look like acorns this autumn? I think it must be deer poo.

It is deer poo, and I hadn't come across one before. Maybe the deer had eaten an acorn. Did you think about that? That would be spiky coming out to you. I'm worried about childbirth and then there's acorns being pooped out of deer's bombs. That sounds like a bull deal.

It was the most perfectly formed, a perfectly formed acorn, honestly. Like, I wish I'd taken a picture but I was so horrified that I just ran. And you know, normally I have issues with, you know, picking up dog poo. Sometimes it gets on my hand. I honestly don't know why.

Anyway, I don't know. But so I had, this time I had deer shit on me. Anyway, I don't know, I'm Googling it, and nothing's coming up, but this was the most... Actually, Dave took a picture. He did take a picture, so I've got proof, I've got evidence. But, yeah, it's disgusting, so that is like 100% my bad. We'll take the evidence, but we don't need it. Like, it was not an acorn, it was a poo.

And for some reason, that was like abundantly clear today, but it wasn't to me. So, there we go. That's so good. That's my bad. Oh, God, I'm... Yeah, that's pretty rank. It's disgusting. But these deer's don't eat meat

They only eat, like I always figure like I don't mind the poop Of something that only eats grass Because I'm like, well it's just grass, isn't it? Like horses or cows or whatever Because it's like it's fine But it's like when the animal eats meat Then it's pretty bleak

Like booers poo I'm like fucking hell Like Oh I've never really thought of the difference But that's true actually I suppose Yeah Yeah Like when some of what Bua creates

I'm like Good God. Good God. Well, I've seen Thuah do it like a bright red poo before or like an orange poo. Well, she runs away from them. Like she honestly, she runs from her shit like she's laid out a grenade. And it's just like, you did that. You deal with the action.

This is the consequences of your actions. You're sitting look at what you've done. Okay, so awkwards. Have you anything awkward? Yes, I do have an awkward. Have you done your awkward? I have not. Okay.

I can be awkward if you want. Go on. Hit me. Hit me. Be awkward with me. Okay. Well, my awkward is also to do with the fact that I'm, the running theme, now I can be honest with you all, is that my emotions are just everywhere. So earlier today, I got a call that made me upset because everything makes me upset. And so we had a guy, we had a guy come to the house to build, because we're having a baby now,

so we have to make storage solutions. Yeah. So having a big wardrobe put in, this guy came. And I was really confused as to why he was here, because a guy came last week, and we kind of worked everything out. And then it was like, cool, we'll see you in December when we bring it. I was like, cool, cool, cool. And then for some reason, this guy today was like, I need to come and, like, see it.

We were like, okay. So he came, and he brought his laptop. And he also bought a mini printer. So he came, go into the house. It was just me and him, and Bua, and he went upstairs, and he did his measurements, and then he said, I'll come down in a minute. And I was like, okay. So then I was just sitting downstairs

Just not thriving because it's just what I do it's just how I live now And he came and then he just sat down at the kitchen kitchen island and was just sitting there on his laptop With his printer out and all his documents everywhere And it was just like we were in a co-working space except we were in my kitchen Because he was left about half an hour And I really don't know what he was doing Just like typing stuff I don't know

I don't know and I didn't want to ask Because it was just like it was way too late And I couldn't be like what are you doing Because then he'd be like well my I don't know it's just I was just the opportunity it just didn't come up so we were just co-working for a bit which was weird and then and then Jenny my manager rang and it was like a work thing that just made me upset because I basically have just felt like a complete failure and everything I've tried to do for the last few months because I haven't been very well and it's

like really affected me and I feel very guilty all the time anyway so she said something and then I got teary and then I was like oh fuck I can't grow up I can't cry in my new shared office space because it's just me and this guy here so I was like sitting there and then I was like I can't stop it the tears are coming just like on the phone to Jenny

this guy just and like he just kept looking at me like obviously he kept looking at me he's like I don't know what he thought about the situation but he probably wasn't comfortable either so I was just sitting there trying to like keep the sound of my crying under the sound of his printer because he was printing off loads of stuff. Again,

don't know why. And so I just had to leave the room. I was like, yes, I'll leave. Like, it's my house, but I'll go. Because I can't cry in front of you. But I didn't really have anywhere to go. So then I just stood in the hallway, like, crying why this guy worked in my kitchen.

And then I was like, okay, I'm going to have to pull myself together now because there's a man in my kitchen. So then I just did. And then I went back in. And I think I thought I'd put myself together, but obviously not, because he kept looking at me like, I was made of glass. And then, yeah, and then he stayed for like another 15 minutes. And then he was like, okay, I'm going to go.

And I was like, okay. I don't even know his name. Like, what? Is he definitely someone that you, like, hired? I didn't see any credentials. I didn't see anything, actually. It's just like, do you know what? In this area of London, it's actually very difficult to find anywhere to work.

So I'm just going to, like, knock on a random person's house and see if I'll get, just make a wee work, such. out of this move in my little printer he's got a portable printer it was actually amazing I was gonna ask him to get if I was in a better frame of mind I've got some stuff I could have done

with being printed I know I didn't know they made them portably but he put it out of a briefcase I was like this is a remarkable wow that's really you can get anything portable nowadays it's quite amazing you know I know

I know right yeah I know I've been thinking about portable hair straightness since 2007 I just kept thinking why do I have to be attached to the wall to use these? Yeah, but you don't anymore, no. I don't own wireless ones. I don't really own wireless anything, I don't think. I kind of like a plug.

Well, I don't, maybe I'd actually be grounded. I do have wireless straightness, but don't use straightness, but I could do with a wireless tongue, that would be good. Or a wireless little hair dryer. Why is that not a wireless thing? Anyway, there's just wind, really, isn't it? All right, yeah. Well, food for thought.

Food for thought. Anyway, anything awkward. Yeah, my awkward is remarkably similar to yours, so I'm not pregnant, but my emotional regulation is not good either. I was speaking, my sister invited some of her mates round, like in the area, and I went along, and I met a girl. Actually, I have met her once before at Jen's wedding, but I didn't, I barely, basically. It was basically the first time meeting, and I was having a really lovely conversation,

with her was a very civilised little afternoon like everyone had a little nice glass of rosé and we were having some like pizza it was really nice very civilised I was talking to her she's a portrait artist amazing she's so talented she's like showing me some stuff

and telling me I you know so I was asking her questions about her work and she was like she was basically saying that she does a lot of animals and she does a lot of dogs and then she said like I actually do a lot of dead dogs like dogs that have passed away, you know? And then she told me a story about a couple

who basically both of them, both of the couples, no, both of the men in this couple had gone to her independently to ask for a portrait of their dog who had passed away and she said that they both... She didn't know the other had asked? No, and then she said that they both chose the same photo and some think about that,

them choosing the same photo, just like, you know, and you can feel that rush of, like, emotion come up in you and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not now. Please, please, please, please. It's not the right, it's not the right time. And I was, like, pinching the back of my thigh, which is something that I used to do when I was like, a kid to stop me from crying, because I just fucking, like, blood is too close to my eyes. So I was like pinching the back of my thigh, like, please don't cry, please don't cry, but then, like, the story didn't end there. Like, it kept going, and I just knew, I was like, I just started crying, I just proper, proper started crying.

but I like she didn't she didn't really acknowledge it like she just didn't acknowledge it so I just I was like I was basically just like dabbing my eyes like wiping my eyes and just being like oh sorry it's just it's just quite sad isn't it you know and she's just like fuck is this woman we were having a very pleasant like surface level chat about what we do for a living and suddenly I'm like gushing on her so that's really funny she probably tells that story so differently

she's like Jen is great but that sister of hers is a real loop so weird so weird she just started crying you know the worst thing the genuinely the worst thing Sarah I mean Sarah gets so much airtime on this pocket she does doesn't she I love it is because she is literally the most amusing person I've ever known but so when we used to live with Sarah we had we've got a drawing downstairs of Bua

that's like absolutely amazing and it's one of because Alex's mom is an artist and her like recreational artist and her friend like she goes to art classes and stuff so her friend also goes so it's one of these amazing women did this drawing of boo and it's so good and we had it up on the wall and Alex's best mate Ross came over one night and was like I'm not going to do his accent I'm not going to do his accent oh gosh I was excited and and he was like oh my god that picture that is the most stunning thing i've ever seen and i don't know why i did it but i was like oh yeah sarah did that i was like i don't know why i said that and then he was like oh my god no she didn't like that's unbelievable and then sarah said she said yeah yeah i did that yeah yeah whatever i'm you know i'm fucking great drawing what can i say and you can literally imagine sarah saying that word for word and then he was like oh my god how amazing how amazing and then the next morning Sarah gets a photo from Ross and he's like that this is really cheeky but my family dog died

recently and here's a picture of him please can you draw please can you draw it and Sarah was like okay oh my god actually it's really bad it's like I think this might be the worst thing that she ever did oh show me like might be the worst thing she ever did but she took it and was like yeah yeah I can I can do that. I can do that. I love that. She's just the confidence she has in her, like,

non-existing drawing abilities. I'm just going to go for it. Literally non-existent. Yeah, so, yeah. So she just pretended to do it. I will actually, I'll send the photo to Amy to put on the Instagram

so the world can see. It was one of the meanest things, I think, you can sit at all. I'm so mean. I hear the memory is like dead. dog and it's just like totally like mutilated it it's like have you ever seen that book crap is it crap taxi dermy my mom's got a book called crap taxi dermy and it's just like the worst taxidermy it was like that but in our in in in drawing form well thanks for sharing your exciting

news with us oh my god i can't believe oh it's so weird it's very exciting can't believe it's not a secret anymore it's not welcome to the gang guys yeah and i'm really sorry that i have kept it so quiet for so long. I actually feel really bad. I feel like I've been lying by a mission this whole time. No. There is, I think, I think a lot of it is easier to keep offline and everyone, I mean, you've got a lifetime now that they can join in on you for, so it's all good. The only thing I will say on that is the fact that I have been able to hide it whilst seemingly sharing things as normal is something, food for thought, when we compare ourselves to people that we see on Instagram and we think we know everything about their

lives like I've been able to hide yeah with relative ease actually not much ease at all but um I have been able to hide like the biggest thing in my life and I just I kept thinking that at the time I was like Jesus every single time I've compared myself to anybody online I need to remember this because this is insane that's so true it's so true yeah you don't know um okay but I'm gonna go to therapy now because it's the night before the announcement I'm going to therapy so I have to go and see Jacqueline because I'm so anxious about the announcement tomorrow so I need to go and talk to her and she needs to put some sense into me yeah before we announced it and she definitely will she's magic yeah she will she's the best i very nearly did it as an episode but i was

like you know what this one this is gonna be a mess me i'm gonna do it's me and her yeah i think this one is yeah a bit close to the bone yeah yeah a little bit even i haven't got that in me at the moment oh she's calling me right now let's introduce this episode so i can go and be therapist we have a really fun interview for you today this was something we've never done before. We've never done anything like this before and it was so fun. We have Joel the magician who's absolutely huge on TikTok he's got literally millions and millions and millions of

followers and he blew our socks off. It was like I didn't want him to leave I wanted him to do more tricks because it was so fascinating and actually you think like oh how are we going to listen to it and magic is more

for watching. No no he brought it for audio and it was just brilliant and I think like one of the funnest episodes we've done Absolutely agree. He's also launched his own podcast, which... Sorry, that's Boer shaking. He's also launched his own podcast, which we were guests on. We'll put the link in the show notes for that.

Sorry, Boer's behind me. Attention seeking, because I think this might be our life now. And, yeah, so go and listen to the other side of that interview where he interviewed us, did more tricks. Genuinely, this guy, this guy. Like, I think about him most days. He is magic. He's like, whoa.

He's actually magic. Yeah, it's insane. Anyway, so this whole, I hope this whole episode has blown your minds, basically. Love you all loads. I'm sorry for keeping that a secret, but thank you so much for being the best people in the world. And I, yeah, I don't know.

Yay! It's so exciting. The best good week, the best. The best, yeah. Okay, well, I love you all very, very much, and I hope you enjoy the magic. Hi. Hello.

I'm struggling to like gather my thoughts. I'm a tiny bit speechless because we've just recorded for your podcast, influenced, and we had our minds blown a bit. I feel a bit like spaced out. I read Alex's mind with Joel's help because he taught me how. And when we went to lose, she was like, tell me how he did it. Just tell me. Actually, you're not being very funny. Like, just tell me how you did.

I really need to know. You have such authority over Alex now for at least the next few weeks. I know. me again because I can see into her soul. What you can also do is what I do with people, which is fake tell them how you did it. And they're like, really? And you're up, no, that's not actually. It's not actually.

It's cruel. It's cruel. Do you have many friends? I'm so few. As a magician, I wonder, like, you're either going to have loads of friends because everyone's going to be like, oh my God, this is amazing, he can do magic, or they'll be like, I can't be around that guy who's going to steal my shit and read my mind. Yeah, you know, I have not a whole lot of friends, but a lot of close friends.

So I have a little small knit circle. I don't really ever do magic for them. I mean, I have a few friends that are magicians, and that's fun because we can buy into ideas. For the most part, like with my friends, magic doesn't really come up very much. Pretty much outside of that circle, yeah, I'm pestered all the time. Pester is not the word because I do like doing it.

It's fun. And if you meet a magician, of course, you're going to ask to see a trick. It's exciting. Why would you not? So, no, I mean, I'm lucky. Got good people. It's all fun. And I don't subscribe to your rule of no new friends.

I try to bring in new people. Yeah, I mean, because the people I'm friends with, now, although I have like a group that I've been friends with my whole life, a lot of my closest friends and I only met in the last couple of years and I wouldn't want to close off the possibility of new people, you know? I agree. I'm just exactly the same as you. And I bet you meet so many people as well.

I do, yeah. That's the nice thing about being back from COVID now is because my job is doing shows a lot of the time. You meet a lot of people all at once. And it's a, it's a bit different now because before I had the social media thing, I had to really kind of prove myself and introduce myself. Whereas now mostly, if I'm performing at an event, people know I'm coming. So it makes it really easy to meet new people now, which is fun.

And you don't have to kind of force yourself upon them to shake your hand and meet them. So get the chance to meet some really cool people. I'm wondering if, before we delve into your story, you could give us a little bit of because you're a magician and a mentalist, right? A bit of a weird word that, isn't it, a mentalist? I don't know. Yeah, it means something different in, like, different parts of the world. I'm pretty sure it's going to be a crazy person, yeah. Yeah, I've heard it use as like, you're a mentalist.

You're a mentalist. Yeah. I think it was when the TV show the mentalist came out. That's when it maybe popularized it being more, you know, psychology and mind reading, that sort of thing. Before then, it definitely just meant you were a psycho. Which maybe I am. Yeah. They're both.

They're both. This is my profession and this is just me as a person. Yeah, pretty much. Pretty much. You got a separate life and work. Did you know all our glamping units have a resort, quality Canadian-made and eco-friendly bed? Since day one, we have proudly partnered with Kelowna-based mattress company Haven, ensuring you have the best sleep possible.

So it's just one more reason to visit us in the Boreal Forest. You can also try out a Haven Mattress, risk-free, for 100 nights at havenmatress.ca. So is there a little something we can do to show, like, the audience, the audience, the listeners. Sorry, I was like thinking we're on a stage there, show the listeners a little bit of what you. you do because we have literally just had our minds blown just so you know i feel you're paying my biggest sticking point in learning to do podcasting now is not saying audience reviewers it's saying listeners i get really caught up on that one it's tricky but you also sound like a wanker yeah like what however you say not you sound like yeah you but i really do tend to sound like that don't no pete one sounds like a knob

yeah yeah my audience yeah my fans um but can you Can you just, can you just, for, like, for them? Can you just fuck them up? No, I'd absolutely love to. I'd love to. I think the big, we were talking about this earlier, the trickiest thing is finding magic and mentalism that works over audio, and that's kind of what my show is about at the video.

So we're going to have to, like, because I wasn't necessarily expecting to do stuff, and I want to do something that we haven't done on the show. So, guys, it's going to be fine. Don't worry, we'll get through it. So I'll do a couple of things for you, for sure. We can scatter it out. I'd like to use your phone, if that's okay.

Okay. Do I have permission? You do have permission. I promise I will not hack it. Guys, don't know the pin number to mine. Because in the episode we just did on his show, he guessed my pin number. I did. And that was an emotional experience. It was unbelievable. Yeah. I'm going to go through here. I'm going to actually turn your brightness down. Is that okay? Yeah. Oh my God. You're going to do like a center hall. I'm going to try to. I'm going to try to. I'll tell you what's going to happen because if I do, then it's not so good.

It's very nice, isn't it? Yeah, it's good. I'm going to have you pick a contact on your phone. in a second but you have to do it without either of us seeing right is this a little pop socket isn't it yeah I'm gonna hold it like this maybe I'm not I'm not used to I used to have one I'm gonna hold the contacts face down okay you're gonna scroll like this I'm gonna turn the sign off as well we don't what we don't have to call them well we're okay yeah well that's exactly we shouldn't be able to get to yeah life lessons for Joel is what you should have called the podcast so just explaining to the listeners right

now I have Alex's phone face down so I cannot see would you scroll in the contact list with like anybody seeing and just go any direction you're like you can go the other way if you want as well and when you want to stop you just stop stop stop is that we're going to stop yeah which side is the lock button is at this side or this side i can't tell with the phone that's your side this side so is that now locked yeah yes yes okay i'm gonna give this to you okay it's important that we don't see because i mean i've already taught you how to read minds haven't i am can i look have we look if you've tapped on a contact perfect if not just go for whoever's at the top of the list whoever is like along the top yeah okay do you have someone yes just is it

it a business or is it a person business right uh person person yeah because either's good i thought you meant like is it a friend or like friend or colleague well this person's about to find out how alex feels about yeah i was about it's about it's about to say can i tell us how you really feel are you happy that's random enough it's so fucking random that's that's better because if it's firstly if it'd mean like your number that wouldn't be that impressive because i could have found that i or something actually check just do you have a phone number for them because some people just have an email, which we can do email. Maybe we'll just do the name instead,

whatever you prefer. I do. I do have a phone number for them. Do you know the phone number off the top of your head? Absolutely not. That makes this better. Okay. Well, what do you want me to go for? Do you want me to go for who to think? Oh, good Lord. That's a little pressure. That's okay. Do anything. Right. So we'll break down to the listeners

how this works. And I taught you how some of this is there's a bit of magic in there, a bit of BS, some psychology, some reading stuff. You're going to tell me that person's name. without actually telling me right but that's the plan at least and I don't know

and by the way I'm going to just quickly go through here and I'm going to show you and I'm conscious because I don't want the camera to see because we don't want to give away the thing too early but I have a photograph from earlier that I wanted to kind of and I'm going to show it to you that'll be important in a moment

and by the way just for the record you can see the timestamp on that and I get that at the top in the photos up you see? I see it okay could you think of this person's this person's name? Yeah Okay, it's interesting that you tap three times.

Is it, it's like, it could be either a doubled barrel or it's at least two names. Is that right? Yeah. That's fairly obvious because if it was a close friend, it probably would just be saved as one name, right? Do you know off the top of your head if you have another person with the same name that's saved under that name that's just one name? Yeah. So you know that person. Oh, no, no.

Okay. If I was to ask you to think of this name, are there apart from this person, are there other people that would come to mind with that, not exactly name, but with the same first name? Okay, that might throw me off a little bit. Might have to do this letter by letter. Could you think of the first letter for me? Yeah. Trying not to give this away. A, B, C, D, E. F.

It's funny that she instantly relaxes. She's like, it's okay. It's gone. So I think it's probably an A, but that's all right. Yeah, thanks. We're looking for a couple of things here. Was it an A or am I off the... Yeah, it was an A.

Okay. Is the first name a difficult name to guess or a hard name to guess? Quite easy, I'd say. Quite easy? Yeah. a okay so I'm kind of going through the anagram of my head of what names it's an easy name beginning with a it'll be it'll be something depending if it's a boy or a girl it'll be like probably Amy or Anna or something like that but that's just guessing was it one of those yeah that's quite an easy one um oh do they have a more difficult to guess surname yes yes they do okay right we'll go for that then did you say there are two or three names like two or three part name three three three part name okay um the should we'll try the middle one in this case if you told me the middle name would it in any way indicate me what the last name is for you know okay so tell me tell me

the middle name in that case mother Anna mother is that because she is a mother or that's actually her middle name it's like stage name oh stage name okay yeah how do you how do you know this person it's through Instagram okay right I don't want you to tell me what the name is I can keep that in your head for just a second don't don't say that we're gonna come back to the name in a second okay could you open up your phone and have a look at their phone number for me did you say there was a phone or no yeah yeah it's not an email it's about okay don't do the full number because I'll just know it begins of those seven it's not a miracle if I tell you that do the last bit's the

hardest the last four digits it's a bit like we did with your bank pin right because that way it's like a pin code the same way you did I mean so I could try this on you the same way to do with M a second ago. Relax, if you need take a wee second to remember it. Yeah, no, I've got it. Now, this is fair because it's not like

I could have followed you to an ATM machine or something. This is the number that even you didn't know until a couple of seconds ago. So look at me. Okay, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. Careful. One, two, three, thanks.

To seven or an eight, is there a repeat, there is a repeated digit. That was just a guess, but it gives away two right at the same time, which is nice. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and say the repeated digit is it. Thank you.

eight I'm not too sure are the eight's at the start or the end so it's eight and then immediately another eight then the last two digits I'll struggle one two three four five six seven eight nine because you know what I'm doing now

zero one two three you already know it zero one two one yes do you want to take a stab with the last number is it two is it two no

oh it's so close I need to give you more training I say she looked at me when she said when you did one and two I'm not certain I'm gonna say it's either seven or a nine I'm not sure which yeah it's a nine

oh we were closer we were close so sweet to include me you that's insane but like how okay I just need something let me tell you something crazy though right so before we kind of did this I showed you a photo that I took

just after nine o'clock this morning yeah was with the producer so they can confirm afterwards if you want took a photo kind of with my wallet and a couple of things on the table. And again, you can see this, right? Yeah. You still haven't told me their surname.

No. Do you know what the surname is? Yeah. Okay. I actually wrote something down, and just for the listeners, I have a picture on my phone, it's my wallet and a piece of card.

I wrote down something on the card before we started. Never. And again, this is important you can see. That really is the timestamp from today. I'm going to show it's my real camera rule. Yeah. What was, I'm just going to zoom in.

What was the name, the surname? Can I see? Pucker. Fuck. What does that say? Never in a million. trillion years. There is no way on earth. Fuck off. No way. There is no way. Yeah, it's just a really scary time. I don't even know how it works. Things just happen at this point.

I don't know. I'm with you. I'm on the side of the table. You, I don't know what he's doing. That's insane. How, though? Hi? How? No, don't tell. I can't know. Do you know what? If I told it would ruin it, the best part about magic is not knowing. I wish I could go back and not know it. I hate not knowing. I hate it. Yeah, your organised brain's going to have hysterics. I like it. I think it's good. Also, it's his whole job, Al. Don't take his whole career. Did you take this from me? I have nothing.

He's got nothing. But like, that is pretty intricate because it's not just like, oh, I'm getting, you know, 8-8-1-9. Like, that's, I mean, it's amazing. I could never do it. But like, it's less crazy than you having the second. I just don't get it. And also, Parker's a weird one. Puck is so weird.

This is Mother Pucka. She's actually a really big Instagram. She doesn't know that she's just been used as a massive prop in this episode. I didn't even know I had her number. I know, I'm kind of gas. You'll never guess who I took a photo off with me this morning. I'm just kidding. No, I'm leaving.

I'm leaving. I'm leaving. I just walks in. Some things. I'm not the good word. Let's see. Can I ask how you got into magic? Yeah, I got into magic really young.

So like weirdly young. I was five. So my grander, he's a big fan of Paul Daniels, who's a magician here in the UK, died recently and used to watch all his TV shows. I should say my grand is still alive when I tell that story people are like oh it's so sweet he must be so proud of him like he's still here he's fine but yeah he used to love magic so when we went to Florida for a family holiday there was a magic shop which is sadly close down now

because I think it was COVID ended up shutting but called Magic Masters went in and it really annoyed me that I couldn't figure out how the tricks were done and he bought me a couple of tricks and one was a card trick one was a little trick with a magnetic pen I remember vividly he did a trick where he made a little red ball float on top of his hand But it wasn't for sale, sadly, so I can never got that one. So I'm still not entirely sure how that worked. But yeah, I went down the rabbit hole then.

And then because it was my whole world, I thought it was weird that other people didn't find it interesting. And I was always very confused growing up what people did with their free time. I was like, because it was literally from the moment I woke up to when I went to bed. That's all I'd be thinking about. Really? Yeah, I used to play football at the weekends. And I was goalkeeper. And like, my big thing at the time was how did I get the goalkeeper gloves off?

so that I could when the football was being played, how could I practice with cards and then put them back on again? Really? It was a terrible, terrible goalkeeper. You sound like a crap goalkeeper. I was really bad. I did not.

Eventually they actually put one of the dads of the other team behind me to make sure I didn't do that. But I would just be daydreaming the whole time about magic and tricks and stuff. So it's been my whole life. And now you do it on TikTok and you've got like millions of followers

and millions of people like. But like the tricks, like the ones that I was watching your stuff today and I see I because it's with your brother isn't it it is yeah so does your brother do magic no he doesn't so you just like the poor guy you just like blow his

mind all the time Ethan's so good so like I those videos are they're entertainment right and it's very different than the stuff that if you were sitting with the in person that I would do over I came to show because it has to be fast right snappy so we have to come up with tricks that look good instantly on camera and to be honest still

it's a struggle to think of how we can do this mentalism stuff in short form but Ethan, he's great in that he never has been interested in how the trick works and he still loves it when I do tricks on him. He does pick up on some bits. To be fair, he would probably have a better idea as to how some of this stuff works than like the really fast visual tricks. He definitely picks up on some of it, but by that point it's usually like my third take

doing the trick because he might have caught it, but we'll just not show that tick. I'm really honest about that. I would people be like, oh, does he know some of the tricks? Like he does and it's for entertainment, of course, but for the most part, he isn't got a clue. What we do is we sit down because most of our videos are compilations of three tricks

I'll usually have like 10 do all 10 and then just pick the best three because they are tricks right like you're not you put it in your instant and your TikTok bias like I'm not a wizard

and it's like you have to remind yourself that it's like it's trickery what you do like you are like just a trick yeah it's just really skillful

at tricks rather than like an actual like superhero well not a psychic for sure. At least if I am, I'm definitely doing it the hard way. Like, I'm putting a lot more. I wish I was talking to someone, I'd like this the other day. If I actually was a psychic or a real superhero, I would just not tell anyone. I keep being a magician, but it would mean I wouldn't

have to like prepare for shows. It'd be so good. I could rock up and just be like water into wine and float around. People are like, oh, he's so good. His props must be so expensive. And I'm just living. But the mental stuff, that's not tricks, is it? It's a bit of both. So, Darren has a really, really nice way of putting it, which is that I'm going to butcher this. He talks about it being a mixture of magic, psychology, misdirection, and showmanship. I think I'm missing one as well there. And that's kind of it in a nutshell. That's being very honest.

It's that I will not tell you what's what. And that's what makes it really, really fun. So there's absolutely real psychology to it. There's bits of magic that are thrown in there to enhance it, I suppose. There's a lot of guessing and cold reading that's in there. But you get better at that over time, which people then I think would call intuition, which I don't think it's a psychic thing. I think it's just practice.

and a lot of misdirection as well. Are you an empathetic person? Yes. You must be in order to be able to sort of tune into someone's... I was talking to someone last night about this so I can't watch sad movies or it'll ruin me for like a week. I'm the same. I have to be...

It's what we talked about in your episode. It's like if you're already in a bad space, you can watch a sad thing or do a sad thing, but if you're in a good space, I can't do that. Yeah, so I'm empathetic. It depends what we... So, I mean, I don't know if I'd be the person to talk to if you were having a hard time. That's something I have to work on a little bit because maybe like yourself, I'm quite, maybe solution-oriented.

I'm like, we'll just like, just get out of that. So that can annoy people. So I think I'm quite, it depends. It's like, again, I think it's circumstantial. I'm definitely, I'm good at reading moods of people for sure. Like with my brother, for example, within five seconds of him walking into a room, I know what sort of days can be. And it's usually a fantastic day, by the way. But I'll know if something.

bothering him for the most part um it used to freak my girlfriend out she used to give a wee look and you okay and she'd be like how did you how did you know well that's it like there has to be a bit of like a myth a mystery in your relationship like if you can which you can because you've done it like you've got my pin number you've got poor like Anna motherfucker's last four digits like on um Joel's podcast we did the it was insane and I say weak it's a collaborative effort it was well done Thank you. We worked out what was in, or we saw and found out what was in Alex's childhood bedroom. We were just there looking through the window when you were a kid. So it's like you do,

there is no, like you do get into people's minds. Like, or you don't necessarily get in, but you you can read their tells in a way that like you can, you can know a lot about a person. Basically there's an imbalance. Like you know more about us than we know about you because you can read us better than we can read you probably. I think so. It's a skill. And again, I like to say, like, I never will let you know how much is bullshit and how much is real, because that's the real fine line. Does your girlfriend know how much is bullshit and how much is real? Partially, yeah, she's, I remember there was one trick I do, and I'll not say what it is because it'll kill it and I still use it in my corporate show. But I do a trick where there's like one prop that I don't want someone to see, basically.

It's a card trick, right? So there's a card in the deck which I don't want someone to see. And I remember she saw me do this show. This is before we were actually a boyfriend, girlfriend. and then brought her back to my place afterwards and we were hanging out and I just dumped all the stuff from my bag on the table and she just accidentally just picked up the cards and saw something and she'd been talking about how much she loved this trick in the show and then saw the thing that helps the trick work and I was like oh and she was so disappointed so from then on I just don't tell her because it's hard it's like finding out it's just you know the best thing about magic is not knowing I always tell people that and they're like no I would love to know I would love to know I I get that because for me, I always wanted to know, but genuinely, if I could go back, I wish I could start clean slate, not know, because it's so much better. It's way more fun. And you have to remind yourself when you're a magician that the stuff you're doing is actually amazing. Like, it's easy to do that in person because you can feed off reactions.

But during COVID, I would have done videos and stuff online. Of course, I know how it works. So I have to remind myself that it's interesting and that it's exciting for people. Because, of course, I've told someone what their card is 500,000 times at this point. But for somebody else, that's their first time. So you have to remember to... It's still the coolest thing. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah.

And you're so right, the magic of magic is that it is, it feels like magic. And it becomes normalized when you know the secret behind it. Absolutely. That doesn't stop me itching to know. I know, and I get to you. I never, people were like to say, I know you when people want to find out. I'm like, no, because that's me.

That's I always wanted to know how it works. And I would not sleep for days to find out how some tricks worked. It's a beautiful moment whenever you do crack it as well. That's a lovely, lovely thing. How do you learn? Do you like, is it like YouTube videos of like other magicians that you watch or like, do you go to school and learn? Well, so Hogwarts is a big misconception. It's really hard.

It's not all it's correct up to be. And I had to drop out in fifth year. Yeah. You actually went. I convinced my one of my little cousins that I actually did go to Hogwarts for real. I think I feel bad now because eventually they're going to catch on. That's not true. There's another one, a little kid.

that i convinced that my jacket that i wears a magic jacket so when he used to put it on he was like i can do the tricks now and i was like making things disappear and he thought he was doing it with the jacket on do you make something disappear i can what phobias have you got i'm just joking i hand to that what do you mean like a coin i'll show you how to do it and it's quite can you just show me something disappearing yeah i will show you a show you a simple one so if i took like a ring that's an easy one i keep it in my hand i used to do this all the time so there it goes and it's gone but But where's it gone? That's why I got the nothing tattoo.

So people would say it's up your sleeve and I'd say, oh, there's nothing up my sleeve. So I used to get that. But where's it got? It's over here. It's in my other hand on the table. So that's just a bit of simple slider hands. I'll show you that. You call that, like, simple for me is like eating a bowl of cereal.

That was not simple. Do you know what? It's muscle memory. You can do it even if you're not thinking after years. If you just, it's like any skill, you just practice it. I don't have any. Why don't we have this good? Terrifying to me more than sleight of hand, right?

Because I honestly, I couldn't do it. In a million years, I'd shit myself. Sorry. That felt really like graphic, didn't it? It was good to like it. I would be terrified. Has anything, have you ever slipped up? And have you had any big, like, on stage slip-ups?

Yeah. Have you? Oh, plenty. And my theories, if you don't have those, you're not doing enough shows. Like, you have to, things are always going to go wrong. And that's how you learn.

That is how you learn. But how can you handle that? Well, so I think I've always been quite good, was not really caring of. I look stupid. Okay. I think that's a big advantage in life in general. I used to care a lot and I got over that very quickly when I started doing shows

because you're just going to, like, there's no shortcut. No matter how much prep you do, you're always going to mess something up because you're not perfect. And the nice thing is, usually for messing those things up, that's how you figure out what the next better thing is. Right. And I like how you can do it better. That's probably good advice in general. But I think the biggest one, I've had a couple.

One of the worst ones was a prediction hanging above the stage. And I remember just absolutely getting that wrong. the thing that was predicted. Like, imagine I turned that round and it just said Morrison instead of being a fucker, but it was on a big stage with lots of people and that was bad. And it was the closer to the show as well.

Inside's like curl up. Yeah. But see once that happens to you once and you realize you didn't die, it's okay. It's okay. Then it's kind of all right. How do the audience react? They find it funny.

No, I do think part of them was like, oh, he's going to turn it around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it just didn't. And that was a bad one. So I always have like a backup ending trick ready for every show and I just because you just don't know sometimes like for example one that happened was going to be the finale I ended up slicing my hand open during the trick on a light bulb

that broke and people thought that was part of the show so I was asking to get like a bandage and water and no one went and got me a bandage and water even my stage crew they're like what's they gonna do this time you're like bleeding out on stage yeah it was really bad I got really lightheaded and eventually I just went up to the guy who was filming the show and I was like looking they could see if the whole always sliced on my hand so that's happened I I lost an engagement ring when I was a kid. That was pretty bad. We did find it, but funny enough, since then,

I've never done a trick with people's personal belongings except for mobile phones because I'm confident I won't drop that or do something wrong with that. Hit tricks that have to do with watches or jewelry or anything like that. Because it's high pressure. High pressure. I'm even, to be honest, quite apprehensive to do magic phones sometimes because I know that's quite a personal thing. If someone took my phone, I don't know if I like it.

There's memories and all sorts of things in there. Which I'm glad you trusted me to let me do something with you. It's so nice if he's got all these morals, because you do have like the ability that if you wanted to you could just like sneak our shit out of our pockets and not even notice.

Yeah, I do know some people that did not do it. Do you? We're not necessarily friends with them but I do know there's a girl and you'll not drop names but she, I remember she hypnotized pretty much all the staff in a burrito bar

to give her free burritos every time she came in. Fuck. Never. True story. Oh my God. That is genius. It's inspiring.

It's good, isn't it? If I was a hypnotist, I'd probably do the same thing. It's tempting. It's very tempting. It's so. attempt so you can't you could hypnotize us to like do things think you could i personally there's a kind of this thing that nobody will do something they don't want to do when they're hypnotized

and darren kind of disapproved that with a lot of his shows where he was making people do ridiculous stuff like shoot steven fry or like rob a bank so that's not true you can get people to do things they don't want to do really um we've had lots of fun with i just do it for fun and i again i don't really do a lot of it now uh i used to do more of it when i was in school and we would go and wear like with friends on the weekends is that it was really funny then because you could have John like thinking that somebody else is like Wayne Rooney and that's really funny but that was always me it was just for just for fun and just for smiles. How does it work? How does hypnotism work? Because it just baffles me. So I remember I thought it was fake. That was my thing

for the longest time before I learned it. So the reason I learned it is I was doing a cabaret show and after me there was a hypnotist who was on and I was quite young at the time. I was definitely under it to him. And so this hypnotist came on. I was like BS. It's not. not true and he did this classic thing where you lock people's hands together yeah and I was like you hands look together and then my hands locked together and stayed stuck and I was like oh for god's sick so he had to come around unstick my hands because I was too young to go up on the stage no right so from then I was like right what happened there because I think I'm fairly switched on and my hands literally stuck together like what was that and it's how I still people can hypnotize

me if they wanted to I'm quite easily suggested to do that so from there I went to read a few books trying it out was funny for the first time that's a scary moment because you're just trusting that everything you read in the book is true and I remember reading the books and being like this can't but this is someone's pranking me so I look stupid and I go out and do this and say sleep and nothing happens but it

works and you get better with it I've always just like I've always thought it's BS as well but I really want to believe it and Darren Brown who I am very obsessed with and I love all of his books and he's brilliant but I remember he did like a live hypnotism on TV where he would like stick people to their seat.

That's right, yeah. And I tried so hard to get stuck to the seat. And I just couldn't. No, I got to put the glue on the seat. I know, I know. But like people really did get stuck, didn't they? They did, yeah. And he does it on stage all the time.

And it's quite a weird thing when you do it for a large group because you get a lot more people than you'd expect as well. Yeah. I remember the first time I did, it was very weird. I wrote about this in my book, which is I think it was like a birthday party. And one of my friends had like a beach bonfire with like a barbecue. We were down. It was getting dark. And I'd read about this thing called a snap induction, which I'm not going to do it on you. Don't worry, but you would effectively go up to say hello

and you interrupt their patterns. So they would do a hand shake. As you do that, look at your hand, lose focus and sleep and you're down. And it's a really rapid thing that works. That's crazy. And it won't work on everyone. Get back here. We need to. So I did this on my friend, Rory. And no way. He fell asleep. And he was slightly bigger than me. I was a small child. So he collapsed onto me and we fell over onto the sand. Problem was I had only read half of the book. So I didn't know how to bring him back.

So I was just kind of like guys I don't know what I've done. So I waited for a few minutes and eventually he just kind of gradually resurfaced by himself. Oh my God. Yeah. Shit. So literally in the touch of a hand it's mental. Yeah. No that won't work for every person as well as I've learned because I have had funny ones where I went to hypnotise them on a stage and it just wasn't the right time, hadn't done it right and just didn't work. Is it people? Is it you doing

things wrong or like do you think some people are like less receptive to it prestige makes a big difference so for example if you people don't know that i'm a hypnotist it's going to be less like to work if you've turned up to a show and you're there to see a hypnotist and you know he can hypnotize people and he's at tv shows like Darren or any of these other people it's just it's more likely to work because the whole part of it is that you're convincing the subconscious of the so like the burrito people totally absolutely like the burrito people is like an unusual thing that's unusual to get all of them doing it. Allegedly, by the way,

I never actually saw it. I mean, I believe it. Could you make, I'm not gonna like put you on the spot. Well, if you want to, like, please do. But could you make us stick our hands together now? I'll give you a really good example, so you can try, and the listeners can do this as well. It's funny, it shows you how your brain and your body's connected.

You might have seen this like when you were in primary school, but it's a really good example of how hypnosis works. So if you hold your hands like this, and again, don't do this, if you're driving or in any unsafe position, skip this through. But if you hold your hands so your fingers are locked, and hold your two index fingers up and you look at the gap in the middle and then imagine that there are two powerful magnets bringing your fingers together you'll notice it's really really hard to resist and yours already are nearly touching each other you're having to fight against it you see how

strange that is and all that is now they're touching it's a yeah so that's a really good example is how hypnosis works because it's a command you see how it's working it's working over and over again but of course you then do that with your hands you can do that and you just elevate it and it's speech patterns and again i don't pretend to be an expert hypnotist There are people who are a lot better than me, but I know enough to have some fun. I've said this in an episode before my mom was hypnotized to give up smoking. Did it work? Yeah.

Yeah. She smokes again now, but in a very different way. No, in a very different way. Like, she was fully addicted to smoking. Then she gave it up after she got hypnotized. And then she came back to it as a social smoker. And now she's a very, like, content one. That's good.

I mean, that's certainly a lot better than... Yeah, but she was so convinced. I said this before, but she was so convinced it wouldn't work. She's like, no way. No way. And she left the packet cigarettes in the car and she was like, I'll have these when I get out. like don't even bother and then got back and she's like no I don't want it I think the thing with hypnotism why I don't maybe do so much of it is because it's for me it's not as an

interesting I don't know why and it probably is to everybody else but for me I find like the mechanics of magic and mentalism way more interesting okay okay so how you like broken loads of shit when you like practice at home oh god yeah like the I'm again fascinated like the through the table things like somebody came up I remember sitting in a restaurant in France once and somebody came up and just like pushed the wine bottle and it just disappeared and i still think about it sometimes when i'm alone we destroyed my apartment doing filming sessions like it's so much so that eventually actually recently i looked at each other and we're like enough enough enough we can't keep doing this in my in my apartment anymore so we actually we finally got a studio to actually

for the sole purpose of like if we make a mess it's okay i want to ask loads about like doing it online because i think that must be really scary in a way that performing to an audience isn't But could you make anything go through the table? Could I make anything? I can do. If you had a coin would be a great one, I could show you. I have a pound coin in my bag. So I'll teach you you guys how to do a coin through the table.

Again, it's about finding the sweet spot of the table, obviously. So you have to learn one move called a French drop. That's the one move, which is this. Have you figured it yet? No. Did it go there and then? No, that's the thing. People love to overcomplicate it.

Correct. Yeah. So again, I should say, a little disclaimer. Or you used it from below? No, yes. Yes. Yes. You see?

So you take the coin. Yeah. You pretend to take it in an offbeat. So it's actually still here. That does take a bit of practice. That one's an easy one where you just pretend to lift it. That one's quite simple. My hands are sweaty so it's hard to do this one where it's still here.

Wow. That's a tricky one. But really it's as simple as just when someone's looking, just swap the hands. So I don't have it here. Have it here. Go under the table. Tap it just like that and then you make a nice... And that's how you put a coin to the table.

Okay. But how do you do it at the table? bottle because a coin not asking you because that's very different you can't just keep a bottle in one hand no you can't uh you can't that is an amazing trick i saw my friend fay do that recently and it's amazing give it a shot come on let's see let's see your work i'm supposed to have it in this hand do it let's see yeah have it whichever hand you like that rings beautiful but thank you might steal it wait i'm confused so you could do so you hold it like this is probably good yeah i haven't really given you a lot of detail yeah that works and then you want to pretend you still have, we can watch it back a few times.

That's for Joel to do. That's the fun one is you get a lot of people saying like, oh, I know how you did that. And it's like, right, well, do it then, Muppet. Like, it's harder than the list. That's a lot. That's what I want to ask about, like, doing it. Because I guess you get a few of those people at shows, right?

Like, you get a few cynics and probably, like, at parties. Like, do you have a book to do, like, people's parties and stuff. Yeah, less or no, it's more, it's a lot of corporate stuff now, which I love, love that work. But, I mean, we do parties now and again, sometimes weddings. It's just hard. like it's fine the time to do them yeah at this point because we're busy but do you get like sort of just knobs just like probably i don't know if you've got like yeah i picture the scene like a

like an overexcited wife oh my god again again again and then because and then you'd have your like horribly cynical husband dave just be like oh yeah sure go on then like i imagine that situation and you know what i will say honestly i don't know if i just got lucky but i don't get a lot of it and i think it's because I approach it maybe a bit differently to some magicians do, which I think a lot of magicians go in like, all right, man, I'm going to fool you. Like, I'm the magician. I'm going to trick you.

Whereas my whole thing is like, I'm honestly just having fun. And like I try to be nice to people and get them on my side a little bit. It's not like a tactic. I actually just, if someone's being rude, which is rare, because most people are nice with magic, I'm just, I'll just kind of pay less attention to them. And eventually they'll,

what always happens is if someone's being a bit of a prick, if you're just lovely to everybody else eventually the group is so much on your side that they'll just tell them to go away and that does happen but the worst thing you can do is try to like give them hassle back I find I see a lot of magicians doing that

and for me that just doesn't work I'd rather sometimes you can and it depends on the person it's good to then maybe make the trick more about them be like you know it's okay I know you kind of you spotted how I did that but just just trying to have fun and get them on side a little bit

it's social dynamics for sure but I have noticed people generally are quite nice and I don't subscribe to the notion that most spectators are assholes and they just want to figure if you go in thinking that you're going to spot those people more often and what about online because TikTok's brutal

like I can't do TikTok I just people are too mean I just haven't got it in me I just can't be fucked with it again I think because I do magic maybe I don't listen I'll be honest I don't check that much because I try and always answer my DMs

because that's someone who's gone out of the way to say hello and stuff but TikTok DMs I know they can be harsh I actually find YouTube was really harsh at the start I just don't look as much now because that one comment will ruin your day and I would rather just use that time to call my mom or something.

You know what I mean? I will say it also doesn't it depends what the comment is as we were saying earlier. Like if someone makes a comment about my magic being bad that doesn't really bother me because I know it's good. Like I've practiced for so long,

not being big headed. Just like you guys know what you're good at. I know the magic's good. Yeah. So that won't, if someone's like, oh, you should trick. I'm like, well, it's not because like I've done it.

People like it. So that won't know me. What will probably know when we'll probably know me like we said earlier, it's more personal kind of nitpigs. And especially ones that are maybe a little bit true as well. Of course. And maybe in that case you should actually listen to it and try to fix it. I don't know.

It's a fine line. No, no, I hate that. And people go, it's constructive criticism. It's like, but I didn't ask. It's not your job to construct me. Like, fuck off. Or I bet like, because your brother's in the video, if anyone comments on something about him, I bet that was like killing me off.

Yeah. So I had one recently. Someone said something about Ethan. He won't even care of me talking about this. But Ethan, bless all, he's always. just had quite bad acne and he usually he doesn't really care that much i don't think he's he's really handsome so it doesn't matter but someone says something along the lines of oh like do you get like free garlic bread with that pizza face or something like that it's like you asshole you don't know

for all you know that one comment could have wrecked him for a year and it's not fair that you get to just write that and why why write that and then there's the whole attitude of like oh they must be in a really hard place to leave that comment like yeah but they i wouldn't have done that so go away Yeah, I mean, at some point, you can just say, like, someone's just being a dick. So we don't reply to them because we don't want to give them the satisfaction of getting back. But we will reply on nice comments when we see them because, and that sounds really selective. Like, I remember, I think it was Gary V. Said he was like, you know, you should get back to these people who are, they're giving mean comments because, like, they're hurting.

And it's like, but I don't know that that's my fault. You know what I have 10 million followers. It's just like, what do you want to just like, you know, like you've never promised, you never said, I'm out here as a therapist. You said I'm out here as a magician. And like that's what your job is to entertain people. But like if someone sent me a message like, hey, I'm struggling with this. Can you give me advice? Absolutely then. Yeah, yeah.

I'll chat to them. But if they're just being. Yeah, they're just being a dick. You don't need to come out and be like, hey, let's talk about it. Yeah. Like, nah, fuck them. Yeah, I think we're probably in the same page there. Yeah, this gets too much to keep a track off after a while as well. Yeah, so send us lots of nice comments. Yeah.

So do you, like, you consider your job to still be like mostly. Do you prefer doing it offline or do you like making the videos as well? I prefer doing it offline. I love the videos because I do them with Ethan and we have so much fun. Like we've been doing videos that weren't even magic since we were kids, the stupid stuff. And he had a prank channel at one point. So he was actually on YouTube before me, I'm pretty sure.

And I remember he, I think he had like 4,000 subscribers and I had like 500. And part of me being brother was like, big brother was like, oh, I kind of wish I had that. So we started competing a little bit. And then I kind of TikTok took off. But yeah, I love, I love social media because I like making the videos. that is fun. I don't know that I love social media in general and my current mission is to try and

delegate all of it so I don't have to go online at any point with the exception of checking in on messages from people because I don't think it's necessarily healthy. I guess as well you kind of lose the magic and I'm not intended of seeing reactions when you do it on social media like in real life you get to

see like the well you're absolutely right I remember during COVID obviously it was all over a screen I did a lot of live streaming and we get comments like in the reactions you would get comments and stuff but whenever I then went out for the first time after COVID I did like a mind reading trick on someone of his girl and she

freaked out and it'd been two years since that had happened almost and I completely forgot that people reacted to magic tricks that sounds so stupid but I remember she reacted and I was like oh this is like what it's gonna be like again and it was so cool because I missed that and that is the best part like no amount of online or TV or stuff as much as I absolutely love it

will replace anything done and doing tricks ever I don't think do you like doing it like at a party or is it really annoying? No, I like it. Yeah. Do you? Yeah. My answer to that always is that I spent so many years trying to get people to want to watch.

Yeah. But now when people actually are asking me to do it, it's really nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get kind of a hard rep. I said, I was saying this to your producers before and I think you were on the, you guys were outside. That my mom's 60th, my, there was my goddaughter and my sort of niece came running up to me.

And they were like, oh my God, there's a guy over there and he's doing magic. And look, he gave us sweets. And I was like, oh, me. I was like, I guess it's super dodgy and I was like, I was like, don't freak out but like someone's definitely grooming those girls and it turns out it wasn't it's just bless this guy, my mom's friend had been like

can I bring my daughter and her husband? And the husband came when he was a magician and I think he felt awkward about being invited so he was like, oh, I'll just do magic, like, whatever and I was like, oh my God, I'm obsessed with you and I literally all met and then I was like, he probably wants to go. You know what, you'd be surprised

we do like doing tricks to most magicians because you practice so long to try and get some basic little thing. I will say my new rule is I usually don't do it unless I'm asked to because I used to go and kind of push it and be like, hit watch something and now I try not to. It's only if someone actually is like, well, you show me something. Because that way I know they actually do want to see it. Yeah.

And especially these people don't usually like to be pushy. Like they take some of bits actually start up the courage to ask. So by that point I'm like, right, they're invested. They're actually going to enjoy this, you know, rather than wasting time. So you don't just like walking out coins from behind people's ears. No, not anymore. I never really was like that too much but I mean a little bit as a teenager

I used people's like my practice I think for the most part so yeah Is there anything that you would like to wrap up with If you have anything I appreciate us putting you on spot But like a little trick or anything Or 100% What you like talking about as well

Well I would definitely say Thank you for having me on this podcast And thank you for coming on mine And just to encourage the people listening To go and check out the podcast we did in reverse as well Yeah it was so good Something we said in it that you said You said you would talk about in this one

And I forgot what it was I think it was two truths and a lie, firstly, we wanted to do, which we could do. Yeah, can you do two truths and a lie, we guess? Yeah, okay, let me think. This isn't magic, this is just going to give us, like, an episode that we did, Alex did two truth and one lie, and he quickly worked out that she was lying about being a dressage rider as a child. Mostly because she didn't really know what dressage was. So now it's Joel's turn to give us two truths and one line.

I'm just thinking of one more. Mentalist, him. Okay, one more time. Let me think, let me think, let me think. He kept saying that people do the lie first, which really threw me. I was like, are you trying to get me to do the lie first? Just for anyone wondering, she did do the lie first. I did do the lie first, yeah, I panicked.

Right, I have these. Exactly what he said you were. Literally. Okay, so we both have a guess at what we think is the lie. Yeah, we can confer. Okay, I have it. Two versus one, we'll get him. Right, got them.

Okay. Okay, so I'm going to take the lie first now. yeah you can actually do these in a different different order before I was a professional god it is hard being in the other side as I don't like it okay

before I was a professional magician my job was playing jazz music and a jazz bar okay he looks jazzy okay you can ask me any questions as well like I didn't know

that's fair but do you want any questions or do you want to keep going no no no no okay I learned to be ambidextrous for magic that's true for sure yeah got to me and he just said he was left-handed

and he always puts things on the right side anyway that's it just okay and my girlfriend is Miss Great Britain that's believable we should have asked what she did I was going to I was going to ask what she did for a time

any questions when was she miss Great Britain she has she's two months left she's currently Missed Britain I don't think the hand things true because he said he was left-handed What's your definition of ambidextrous? As in, so when I do magic...

Can you write you right with your... Yes, I can. Because I had to learn for... I'll show you, for example. I had to learn how to do moves with this hand and this hand at the same time and I used to only be able to do it with my left hand which then if people put the cards

in my right hand, I'd really struggle but I learned how to do the modes on both sides. Surely. So I learned as hard as my head... So I learned how to do both like this. I don't know I'm ambidextrous with my feet. But is the definition that you can write.

I know. Like, I'm left-footed, but then I, like, was right-footed. Like, I, like, I'm left-side. I actually think I'm supposed to be left-handed, but I was taught to write with my right-hand, because everything else happens on the left-side instinctively. Does that make sense? That makes sense. So then I had to learn, like, I was taught to do everything with the right side, even though I'm naturally very left-sided. Irrelevant, I digress. What was the first one again? So, the first one was jazz music. Jazz music. What instrument did you play? Piano. Interesting. My husband was a grade eight jazz dancer. So, he could cross paths in Ireland. Well, I might, I might be back in the day. You do.

And how big is the band. I don't know how much to say. It was just me. Just you doing jazz piano. Sometimes I sang. But we don't want to catch him out, you see. We don't want to like, we want to, we don't. I don't know.

Okay. Do you think I'm hard to read? I think by insinuating that she isn't Miss Great Britain because I'm sure she could be. Is she not an Irish as well? She's north of an Irish too. Do they not have a Miss Island? I mean, that's probably, that's probably just a republic. I don't know.

I can't. Why are we trying to catch him out with logic? We should have done with magic. I think he's trying to catch us out with number two, the ambidextrous thing. But I just don't know what the definition of ambidextrous is. He just showed us that he's ambidextrous. But surely he should be an investigator. This is good.

Yeah. I feel like we're in prison as I. I feel like let's good cop, bad cop. You good cop, I'll back up. Right. But he just showed us that he was too, too, two handed. Can I just get the definition up? I'm not even entirely sure I know the definition.

Okay, fine. That was true. That was true. That was true. Yeah, if he doesn't know the definition. Okay. So he's either, wasn't a jazz answer. What's your favourite jazz song to play? Um, Rhapsody in blue. Was your second favourite jazz song to play? Feeling good. What was your least favorite jazz song to play? Anything at Christmas time where they made me learn Christmas jazz songs, because that was a lot of effort. Yeah, I can imagine that's an annoying sound. Okay. And were you there when she won this Great Britain? No. Why? I was not dating her at the time.

interesting so you're only interested in her for her title oh absolutely not what did she do with a job beforehand sorry um she worked in victoria secret okay before or after it closed down um i didn't realize it had closed down i was trying to throw you off okay um because i think there's one opening in within arland so i was a bit confused there oh i'm really I really think it's the jazz thing. Okay. What do you think? God damn it.

Yeah, he's jazz sing. He just said, God damn it. I think you're right. No, but he's bluffing us. I can't, yeah, jazz thing. So which one of me says, a lie? You're lying about being a jazz singer. Jazz, you're jazz pianist.

You're wrong? I am not in any way ambidextrous. Oh, for fuck sake. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. No, I can't write.

And I can barely do magic choice from her right hand. I'm so sorry, I didn't believe you. I couldn't make a point, disappear the other way around. So I was like, well, maybe you used to shit with both hands. Your girlfriend's Miss Great Britain. She is, yeah. I was being honest, she is two months left,

or not even one month left, yeah. Which is not why I'm with her, of course, didn't know if she was Missed you be when I first met her. Sure, sure, sure. I wanted him to react. She's just with me for the TikTok title, you know. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This has been fascinating.

And everyone else to check out the videos as well, because you feel like you need to see this as well. You do, yeah. But it is also really cool in audio format. Speaking of, which, your podcast. Yeah, we've made this podcast. Thank you for the plug. Influence, which is it's all about mentalism and psychology and bringing guests in.

They don't know what's going to happen. And throughout the chats, I'm influencing them to do different things, say things, think of things, reading their minds. And it's all undercover, which is a lot of fun. And again, if you want to hear the episode with these amazing girls, I imagine by the time recording this, it'll be out. Or coming out, we will. you'll find it. He's also done one with Reed and Florence

the Come Curious Girls so, and I can't wait. That was so excited to hear that. That was my favourite crossover like imaginable. It was not the crossover we knew we needed but it was the one we did absolutely need

so no, thank you so much for having me all day girls you should go and do magic at sex parties with Florence and there I'll tell you about one I did after the show it was intense

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