Should I Delete That? - Nudity, masturbation and dancing with Imogen Ivy

Episode Date: August 6, 2023

In this week’s episode Em and Al are joined in the studio by Imogen Ivy. Self proclaimed ‘Aussie Cowgirl in London’ Imogen came to London as a documentary maker ended up being scouted as a model. Promoting body neutrality, Imogen has done campaigns for Superdrug and Pretty Little Thing. Imogen talks about how she grew up in a nudist household in Australia, and how her parents promoted open communication and healthy mental and physical health. Follow Imogen on Instagram @imogenfkingivyFollow us on Instagram @shouldideletethatEmail us at [e-mail] by Daisy Grant & edited by Hattie MoirMusic by Alex AndrewHosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Okay, ready? Born ready. Yeah, ready, babe. My mother used to have baths with my grandmother. She was an actress, so she always had, like, she would get, like, watermelons on her titties and walk around nude. Like, that was my grandma. She was, like, full of life. Hello, welcome back to Shoulda Delete that. I'm Alex Light. And I'm M. Clarkson.

How are you? I'm good. No, I don't know I said that. Terrible. I'm terrible. I look like a celebrity recovering from a nose job. I have got big dark glasses on in the house. I am two days into a headache that I cannot shift.

Normally would sleep it off, but we don't sleep anymore. Yeah, you can't, I can't take, I can't take the pills that I would normally take because I am breastfeeding. So I can't take, like, I need a sud of it. I need to get in there and clean it all out. You can't sit down when you're breastfeeding because, because cruel. I can't want my space masks because they're so good but then you've got no vision and you need vision to be a parent

and you can't just I don't know not see what's happening so that's annoying and then yeah and then and then sleep would be good but we don't do that so that's not on the agenda currently currently not no so that's my continued bad is the physical toll that the sleepless life is taking on me but otherwise I'm thriving how are you anything good

anything bad, anything awkward. I like those space masks, actually. They heat up, don't they? Oh, God, they're so good. Yeah. Do you ever suffer with headaches or you can't sleep? It's literally, they're called, like, spacemasks.com. The woman who runs at Harriet is such a babe.

I'm obsessed with her. Anyway, and they look like sanitary pads for your face, and they just heat up and cure you. Oh, that is so, oh my God, I'm going to get some, actually. I'm going to get some again. I've got some upstairs. I should have, I should have just done the recording with them on. Yeah, you should have done.

But you've got your sunglasses, so. I've got some glosses, yeah. Next best thing. Well, my good is my bad, is my good, is my bad. My good is that I went on holiday. My bad is that I'm no longer on holiday. It flew. It absolutely flew, and I feel sad.

I feel really sad. Normally I'm happy to come home. It was so, it was so nice. It was just so nice. Honestly, I read, I read the new Colleen Hoover book, too late. I can't believe you're a reader now. I know. No, because of you.

Thanks to you. No worries. Oh, I read the fifth guest, it's called. Is it good? Which I think it's really, really good. I can't remember who it's by, but it's really good. I think it's out in August. It's from Harper Collins.

I know. Look at you. I know. I know. Getting fast copies. What are you, a book influencer? Didn't even have a proper front cover. What can I say?

Wow. It's like, and Devil Wears Prada when Andy has to go and get the twins, the copy of the new Harry Potter book. They've got the manuscript without the cover. It was iconic. anyway okay well good and bad and please you had a nice time it did look stunning it was so nice it was so nice honestly like but I've I've made this mistake of following a lot of travel bloggers right

on one hand I love it because it's like oh my god escape is and where are they now this is amazing and on the other hand I do find myself feeling a bit like oh I want to do this and I can't do this and I just want to live the life of a travel blogger I would love to see you living the life of a track like I actually I don't realize until just this moment how much I wanted that but I would love that I would love to see you I would love to see you doing the little like swirly

thing when they get out onto their balcony and they do like a full 360 turn and their little skirt spins and then they yeah they kiss their husbands and the starlight in front of the Eiffel towel while it's sparkling and yeah and then they they walk along the edge of the infinity pool with a really big sun hat so they can't see where they're going I would love to see you doing these things. Sit in a jacuzzi in the Alps somewhere where it's snowy.

Looking ethereal? Yeah. Yeah. In a dress. Yes. I know. I just want this to be my life now, but it's not going to happen. You'd be barefoot the whole time.

I would love this for you. And I follow these guys called hand luggage only. And they just go to the most incredible places. With just hand luggage? No, I think that's more, I don't think this is more just like a name than a rule. Oh, well, they're frauds then. Do you know what? Let's call them out. Let's call them out. I'm not, I'm not for it.

Sorry. Yeah. Did you get that big bottle of dress for me through security, did you? Hmm. Curious. Do you know that soon we're going to be able to take all our liquids through security and not have to undo them, like unpack them? Yeah, you know, look, far be it from me to criticize Airfield Security

because they know, like they know. It's always felt a little. bit daft. And again, yes. What do I know? But like, why? Because you could take four 100 milliliter things, like

bomb juice, I suppose. And then put it all together. And then you've got 400 milliliters of bomb juice. Do you know what I mean? Like, you're still getting 400 milliliter street. You just have to decant it. Do you know what? And this is like, this isn't something that I'm proud of, but there is a a gap for me in critical thinking.

Like, I'm, it doesn't come naturally to me. I've never once, I have done the whole charade of taking out my liquids for years and years years, and I've never once thought why. I've never questioned it. And I talking about now, I'm like, I actually don't know why we do that. But yes, I do it. See, I wish I was more like that because I question everything to my own detriment. That's good though. It's good. Is it? Yeah. Because then I just find myself getting irate and standing in the queue and I'm like, this is stupid. Why are we here? But it wouldn't be stupid. There'll be a very good reason. I just don't know what the reason is and that frustrates me but it does make sense if you're if you're allowed to fill your little

plastic bag with as many bottles with as many filled 100 milliliter bottles as you want then that's a lot of bomb juice yeah it's a lot i'm going to google it the rules were introduced hastily in 2006 as a temporary measure to protect against explosives if you're listening to this and you can help please help. My sister's here and listening and she's just WhatsApp me saying, you're only allowed one plastic bag each, but you could fill that plastic bag. Yeah, but you could still fit at least 500 milliliters.

Lots of different 100 milliliters. Also, if you were flying in a party of like 12 of you and you were all baddies, I mean, that's... Jen says she doesn't know how much juice it needs to take a bomb. Yes, but if you had a coach load of you willing to do it, that you could... Can I not Google that? No.

No, no, don't Google it. You'll have anti-terrorism at your door. Look, forget it. It's a stupid question, forget it. Let me move on. My first good, was it, it was my birthday. I'm older, it was nice. Had a big cake. Did you not have a big tie?

I'm going to have... That's all good. That's our good. The daisies are engaged. That's all good. Our producer Daisy. Fuck my cake. Got engaged.

She proposed. Yeah. She proposed to her other Daisy because I both called Daisy Rose, which is... The comments were so good. When we put it on the Instagram, the comment, absolutely in my day.

comment should say they're a little mini daisy chain cute I love that so much if they have kids and then they have a little girl she needs to be called Daisy yeah and then they can have a they've got the full Daisy chain yeah cute oh so cute and then just

most people just DMing us being like she better go and get a big guy I know I love so many people said that I was like that is so clever like I didn't think of that and it's our podcast like and I don't think she'll mind us telling you how she proposed She's good at embroidery and knitting, isn't she? And she embroidered it onto a handkerchief.

No, she won't marry me on the back of like, it's just, the, she's only recently got into her knitting as well. I was like, I know. And that is. Like, what about sneaky knitting? There's a lot of ups and downs. What a fun little secret, fun little secret project. Going to go and marry me and then they went, oh, I just love people getting engaged.

I just love it. I know, really cute. I love that she did it. I don't know, it was great. It was just great. She told me before she was going to do it that she was going to do it And I've been like losing my mind I love being in on a secret like this

It's like that's my happy place Being in on an exciting secret before it's happened I don't know what to do with myself Now before we get into our interviews Let's get awkward Yeah So I went to be a festival As you do

With my sister, her husband and my nephew My nephew's warmed up to me Right but we're on shaky ground still we're on thin ice you know and he much prefers Dave like whenever I see him he's like first thing he says is where's Dave

where David where David so whatever it's fine anyway we were really getting on this day on on Saturday we were really getting on and the others wanted to go and get drinks so I was like I'll look after Louie we're playing it's all good you go they went I'm looking after Louie

and then like all good and a minute in he like looks up realises is that his mum's not there and starts screaming, where my mummy? Where my mummy? I want my mummy. I want my mummy. And I look like I kidnapped him. Oh my God, you will. I was like, shush, shush, shush. No, no, no, please. You can't shush him. No, no, no, that's so suspicious. Please, shh. I was like, hand over his mouth. Like, you're fine, you're fine.

No, I didn't really. I didn't do that. I was very tempted, though. And I smuggled them into the back of a car and he, You could barely hear him through the bottom. Yeah, I don't know. Toddlers hate me. They can smell me a mile off. I don't know.

You can smell my desperation. You can get him back when you're, like, you're going to get this kid back. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Follow him on his first date and say weird shit behind him. Oh, I thought you meant get him back as in like he'll love you again, but you mean revenge. Oh, yeah. The dishbed serve cold.

We can wait. We can wait a casual 16 years. That's fine. Never forget. I'm an elephant. What's your all? awkward. Oh god, my awkward. I just want to die. So it's, it's my body again, just letting me down, humiliating me. So, it was my friend's wedding at the weekend. I'm inexplicably nervous about

seeing my school friends, even though they're really nice people and like my actual friends as adults. Sometimes when you see your school friends all together in a group, it's kind of, like, you kind of get thrown back. That's just, that's an aside to the embarrassment. That wasn't actually the embarrassing thing. It was just a thing that I was aware of this weekend. Also, I was really seeing myself through my friends' eyes, because I haven't seen a lot of them since I had a baby, and it was really weird, being back with, like, my teenage friends as a mother. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was really seeing myself through their eyes, because a lot of them, just different, I'm basically, I'm the first half a kid. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, first ever kid, I think I was

among the first to get married, if not the first to get married. So, yeah, it was just, it was really weird seeing them, seeing them seeing me. I was like, oh, weird. It that's not the embarrassing story. For lots of reasons, I ended up taking Ollo to the wedding. She was very accommodating. Bless her heart, because I couldn't leave her behind. My friend, Katie, not A'Alo. I couldn't leave Olo behind and there was no one to look after her and I haven't got help.

And I wish I did, but I don't want people to listen to this being like, gosh, it's such a hero, not a hero, struggling. Anyway, so there was nobody to help. So we went to Scotland, it was a hell, this should be my bad. I mean, it wasn't hell, it was amazing. worth it but we drove to Scotland and back again in a weekend with a baby it was it was so intense um anyway it was a lot very tired fine that still isn't my awkward i've got distracted went to the wedding stunning sunday morning everybody has terrible hangovers we have to drive back so i went with arlo to thank our hosts so they got married at in the town where katie's from so i went to go and

thank her parents basically and they'd put up a marquee because she didn't the middle know it was like stunning. I went to go and thank them for having us. Say goodbye to her mum. Really nice. Then we went to go and say goodbye to her dad and I was holding Arlo and relevant detail. I was wearing my I've got this t-shirt from Manors

like you know the brand Manors. Love them so much and for breastfeeding the lower one is amazing and you don't need to wear a bra even now I've got like double G boobs and I'm breastfeeding and you do not need to wear a bar with it because it's so supportive yeah they're amazing. Anyway so I'm wearing my Manas T-shirt with that.

that bra normally not a problematic outfit but I don't know what was going on I was saying goodbye to our host and I'm holding Arlo like I don't even know how to describe it but she's at this age where she likes facing forward so I kind of holding like my arm over her so she's like got her back back back to me like she's yeah like she's on my front and I'm holding her and he leant down and he was like it was a good you good you good and he was like saying goodbye to Arlo oh you're such a good baby such a good baby and I thought it was drip on my arm and I was like what is that? And I looked down

I thought is it raining? And I looked down and I could feel another drip and I realised milk oh my god was coming out my other boob so not the side of the I want but he's at boob height eye height, boob level he's right there so

my boob basically was just leaking out the t-shirt because I didn't have a bra on so just cotton and it was just out and then like just pooling just milk droplets, just dropping, dropping, dropping. Oh, no. And he was right there.

And I was like, anyway, got to go, bye. Through the t-shirt. Through the t-shirt. Oh, my God, it's strong, isn't it? Oh, yeah, when it's time. And I knew I had to feed it, which is while we were leaving, because I was like, I've got to feed it on the way home. Oh, it was so bad out.

And I really hope he didn't notice, and I really hope he had a bit of a hangover and was tired and whatever. Oh, my God. He probably noticed, let's be honest. I was worried about what that drip. I didn't occur to me first breast milk. I was like, is someone drooling? Like, what is what's going on?

We have a very exciting guest in the studio today, one that I've been really, really looking forward to. It's Imogen Ivy. Howdy, howdy, howdy, howdy. Hello. Thank you for having me, guys. Yeah, I'm really, really excited. So we met. Actually, I've been following you on Instagram for a while. And I don't know, something about your videos and your photos when they come up is just like good energy. So when we were looking at like what models we wanted for the light London shoot, which we just did a few weeks ago, I was like, can we try for this girl? I keep seeing her on my feed, and I just think she's so hot.

And like, just this is good energy. Like, let's just try and see if we can get her. So it happened. We made it work. And I was, my interest was piqued by your story. The first line of your story was, I grew up in a nudist household in Australia, and I was like, we need to talk to this girl.

What she about? Yeah. So grew up in our, north of Sydney and when I when people hear that I think like I'm from like a hippie family no no no like my parents are professional and sailors like entrepreneurs they're business people like they're not what you're thinking actually like complete opposite they're just naked ones so it's a nudist friendly household like it wasn't a protest like my parents decided like we don't get home like everyone naked now like it's not like that like we didn't grow up like that basically

My parents, I now know, my parents before they had children, I'm one of three girls, so three of us, three wild women. We'll count my mother four wild women. Had a conversation and were like, we want to have open communication without children. Before they knew the genders. My mother used to have bars with my grandmother. And when my grandmother used to come on holidays with us, she was like, she was an actress. So she always had like, she would get like watermelons on her titties and walk around mood. Like that was my grandma.

She was like full of life. Okay, I see where you get it from. Yeah. So my mother had that relationship with her mother and they used to have baths like once a week together. Like till how old. Okay, I'm going to say this for so much love that you are talking to two of the most British women

that you'll ever meet. Yeah, I must say the Brits can't. Yeah, this is going to challenge us in a good way. So I'm going to ask, I'm going to ask questions. Like, non-judgmental, super excited, but also it could never be me. So what age was your mom bathing with her? Her mother, oh, like, they, even in her, like, last day, it's, like, my grandma would get

Navy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, not, but bathing together, but, like, you know, let her titty out, like, you know, kind of thing. It was just, like, standard, but I think my mother and my grandmother only had that relationship, my sister's siblings didn't maybe as much. But, yeah, basically, my parents had a conversation before they knew they were going to have children saying, we want to have open communication with our children, and it kind of started with the body.

Obviously, it was going to be, like, mental health, physical health. They just wanted to be really closer. their children. So when we were born, all of us, we're all kind of close and age-ish. It's also hot in Australia, that remind you. And we don't have neighbours that you can see. And we're on the water as well, and we're all big swimmers. So being naked and nude was just, like, standard for us.

And I thought it was normal until about 14. But I'll get into that in a little bit. But yeah, like, so I grew up, one of my favorite memories is before school. My sisters and I went to the same school with a shower in the morning and talk. And I just, yeah, the look. The looks I'm getting from it. It's really, like, because it... Yeah, well, there's nothing weird about it for us

because we didn't know anything about. No, and, like, my mum actually is a very, like, open person in terms of, like, I would... From as early as I can remember, I can remember seeing her naked, like, bathing, showering, you know, like, and I would... It's weird, actually, because she was very open with us. Like, she would put it on glass, but anyway. She would shower in front of her, so, like, you could... I would walk into her bathroom while she was in the shower and get something or whatever, and she would have absolutely no inhibitions at all.

So, but for somewhere, me, my brother and sister have picked them up. And it must just be like a British, yeah, because when I smashed my face in, I had to be showered because like, whatever. So that was a bit of, yeah, with my jaw. So that was a bit of a challenge for myself to be like, and then when I had a baby as well, I mean, who, like, and she was just there. And so I've just been fully, like, naked in front of her recently. And it's since having a baby that I'm totally like, whatever. I understand it. But she was very, she was always very open with.

Me. Even me moving here and talking about like vulva diversity and like just like pussy talk at like the pub. Like it's pretty standard with my friends in Australia. People here can't talk about it. Oh. You have a pussy talk about your pussy. You know? I also I was thinking about this before I came here. I was like maybe because we all grew up in like Australia is like bikini culture. Maybe we all grew up because we're all, you know, not wearing as much clothes as well. Yeah. Because of the heat and stuff like that. But also like thrush like is pretty common in Australia because you're in swimmer all the time and it's hot. For me, maybe it was just my group of friends, but it isn't. Yeah, just far more normalized not taboo, but I came here. You can't just mention your pussy randomly. People get kind of like taken back. Yeah. Well, I mean, like we could to each other, but I feel like if we said it to like the nice sound engineer next door, he'd be like, look at these two.

Can't out. If you ran apart, right? And there was like a group of girls and someone started talking about their pussy, that would be quite, that would be quite bizarre? It depends on the group. It depends on the group. It depends on the group. You know what I mean?

I just feel like there was far more like walls up when I moved here. And I would talk about it far more freely. And then, yeah, I started doing like vulva diversity work here far more. So what is Volvo diversity work? Just like going into headquarters, going in and doing workshops, just like normalising it. I've done a few and I just was so baffled how little British Volvo owners women knew about their body. Like not knowing like and also masturbation is so taboo here. Yeah.

Like, whoa. Is that different to Australia? Um, I think, I think, yeah, I think we're far more, like, crass. Really? Yeah. What about in your household? Oh, so very sex positive. My mum bought me my first dildo.

And my first, yeah, yeah. I broke up with my first boyfriend. Your mom could never. Yeah. She goes, here's a credit card. I was smoking at the time. Buy yourself a vaid and buy yourself a d'I. How old were you?

Well, she actually, she wanted me to start masturbating at like 16. And I was like, no. But I think that was about 19 then. Oh. And I did it, and I didn't touch it for a year. I think I'd maybe try, but I was like, didn't work. Didn't know how to do it. What was your reservations for trying it?

Because I was caught into the school, like school girls saying, like, that's gross. There were a few girls that were masturbating and open about it. But for me, I was, I stigmatized it. Yeah. And I'm not proud of that. And that's why I talk about masturbation so much online because I regret not masturbating earlier. Like, for me, the empowerment I got from masturbation, the confidence. I didn't have to, I used to rely on men for pleasure and sex.

And then when I found masturbation, I was like, oh, like, I just didn't, it was so freeing. And it was such a big part of my, like, journey of confidence and self-love. I was like, I don't need no, man. I can do it better myself, you know what I mean? And I'm so glad my mother, like, pushed. Well, not push, but, like, suggested that to me. And most mothers, oh, no, now, don't do that. I cannot relate to any of this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mother is, like, the coolest person you know of me. I feel like I've done my mom dirty because my mom would be on that school of thought. My mom would be, like. My mom's like, this is healthy and it's probably healthier than you're sleeping with a heap of men. And it is. Yeah, it is. And my mom used to say, if you're going to have sex, have it in our house.

Don't do it in a bush. Don't do it in a bush. We're very Australian. That's, babe, that's where you go, or the beach. And it's not the instructions that we get. Don't do it in the garden hedge. I've spent months pruning that. The garden, by the road, garden culture here is quite insane.

Anyway. Yeah, I think that would be the most, like, shocking thing for most mothers. On the security cameras, I can imagine. My roses. Not about you losing a virginia. No, exactly. On like 4K as well. Security cameras.

Yeah, so I grew up. So I had two oldest sisters and they had long-term relationships. So they had long, like, older partners. So I was like the single one growing up. So they were, I remember we were in, we're in Sicily. We're on a family holiday. And I, one of the boys at home, my hometown didn't like me. Something like that.

I'm a bit upset. I'm about 16, 15. Let's go 15. And my oldest sister's, were there and they had obviously been in partners relationships like maybe five years at this point and are older and my mom said just like start masturbating like and then my other sister's like oh yeah me me me all these stuff so I probably maybe you know that was added to the stigma of it I was listening to my older siblings my mom was like no it's really healthy like you should do it

it was just try it like mind you I didn't get my period until I was 18 17 oh wow I got my period really late genetically late mind you my hormones were kicked in I had tities I had pubs I had all that but and I was like haunt I was like kissing boys and stuff like that but yes my mom was even promoting it then I'm just I'm just fascinated by it it's just it's like poles apart from my

experience I can't imagine that I mean I do have I think the most prudish mom in the world we can't say sex in our household if we do have to say it it's S-E-X So she yeah she was brought up in a very strict Catholic household she kind of tried to pass it on to us didn't work

because you're one of five five girls yeah five girls but she yeah and the religion isn't really there for her anymore but the shame very much is like there is a lot of shame around sex and yeah it's it's really I don't think she'll ever lose it I think it's I think it's there to stay so I'm just

you're baffled I'm baffled yeah I just I can't imagine that, but that is so cool of your mom. My mom's argument always was, sex is inevitable. Like, sex is a great thing. Sex is a beautiful thing. Yeah. So it's going to happen. I want to know about it.

And I want to be under my roof. And I want it to be safe. Yeah, empowering. Yeah, empowering. Which is like... Which all of that makes sense. And it started like with the, you know... So the reason why I always thought nudity in the house was normal.

Because it wasn't sexualized. Never. I didn't know about porn. Never watched porn. I watched porn at like 18. one of my male friends showed me. I was like, oh my God, yuck! Like, I think about it because I was in this,

I first understood my body as like a non-sexualized free being. And mind you, I'm a lot bigger than my siblings. So my siblings are naturally petite. My mother's very naturally petite. Right. And I'm big build on my father. So I don't look like my siblings in terms of size. So, yeah, building a relationship that like all bodies are beautiful and free.

Like, I used to skinny dip with my friends all the time. Growing up, like every few, like, that's just what we did. You're all laughing. And I remember we hit an age that I was skinned dipping with some of my mates and one of them got aroused and I didn't understand it. You know, it wasn't like they were attracted to me because that's my friend. But I, why would I understand that? Because I didn't know my body was innately sexual.

So I was like, I don't get that. You know what I mean? And then anyway, so when I was 14, I was over at a friend's house. It was like a heap of male friends and one girlfriend. I was telling them a story about my mom told me in the bath. And they weren't listening to this funny story. They were just laughing at me. I was like, what's wrong?

They were like, you bath with your mom? And that's when I found out that, oh, this isn't like common. That's not normal. Yeah. And then so I remember coming home, I'm like, mom, we're not normal. Did you know? Yeah, did you know? And mom's like, well, it's not like a bad thing.

Like, this isn't a bad thing. So my mom got me a fake ID. And so I could go to the local pub and do life during after school. Not that I would drink, but it was at a pub. So my mom, so like every Tuesday night. I love your mom. I'm on a beer. Honestly, she's goals.

Honestly, like, I've never met anyone like my mum. She's so sick. So, yeah, so then I would go to life drawing because I wanted to feel connected to that non-socialized nudity still. Like, I was still innocent and all that stuff. So then I started painting nudes and drawing nudes, you know, and it was the best time. I didn't even go to rebel.

It didn't even drink. Could a drink. But no, I just ran there. Afternoon, got out of my school uniform. There's all these, like, retired artist. I'd put in my headphones probably like Bonnie Ever, I was listening to my moody emo. And just like, yeah.

And then we'd draw with all these, like, you know, six-year-olds. These nude, you know, sometimes it'd be couples, like a male and a female or just a woman. And that became really important, the older I got. So when I was 18, I fell into body dysmorphia. Basically, I looked around and my mother, you know, as I said, my siblings, my mother were all in long-term relationships with men. And they're petite. And then my girlfriends at school were petite, and they had boyfriends. And I was like, oh, I want a boyfriend.

And for me, you just so, like, plus, plus equal. oh, I have to be thin to get a boyfriend. Mind you, Australia is very fatphobic. I was not understanding of that yet. Like, I grew up in a bikini culture. No one looked like me. I was a bigger girl compared to everyone else and was always bigger than my siblings

and rocked it, owned it, very diva, very confident until I turned about 17, 18. Yeah, I wanted to ask about that. Like, you said you were skinny dipping with your friends. Did you notice that you were bigger than your sisters? Oh, I was aware of it. It was also, like, I didn't fit any of my sibling staff. Oh, yeah, I was aware.

I was plus like, so I didn't give shit because I had a relationship with my body. And you didn't have, I guess, like, we learn, and God knows where you learn it, but we learned almost immediately that big is bad for girls. I didn't read magazines. I didn't watch TV really growing up.

So it was more of like a neutral observation. Like they're just naturally similar. My dad was big like your dad, you wouldn't necessarily, yeah, and you wouldn't know that it's, that, and I'd say in quotes, that only men are big. You wouldn't know that, right? So you'd... I knew, like, I wasn't designed.

by boys I guess you'd say like kind of thing like that like I was like the funny fat friend more so and did you equate that to your weight yeah I just I knew I was bigger but it was never an issue for me because my parents never made an issue for me my mother made me own it like I do dance like obviously wear those little mini crop tops my big belly out and I would dance everywhere my mom would hype me up like I had a mother that just told me I was brilliant so like why didn't think anything less until you know I was 17 wanted a boyfriend all of a sudden and I yeah just excessively exercising and drop weight. And then I got all these compliments that I was hot and stuff.

But I was the least confident I'd ever been in my life. Really? Because you were body checking for the first time. I was just like, and I hated it. And I just was like, oh my gosh. So that's when I started, that life drawing that I did when I was younger that my mom took me to. I went, I started doing that again. And what I would do instead of drawing the models, the nude models in front of me,

which were all like Renaissance bodies, which is like what my body was like. I had that renaissance. I was learning this in art history at the time as well. And, yeah, so what I would do, I was thin. I'd take a picture of myself, nude, and then I'd print it out in the home printer, and then I would exaggerate it with texture, marker, and I would put that as, like, a template. So I would draw myself nude, but bigger. And that's how I fell in love with myself.

I was like, I realized I had to represent myself in my own life. I couldn't see it in media. I couldn't find it in TV. Social media at the time was all fitness girlies. And I couldn't find it. So I was like, I have to romanticise myself in my life. And so painting myself was how I started. And then I started photographing myself and ended up doing,

I was a non-sexualized nude photographer for like five years because I felt the empowerment it had for me. How can I give that to other people? I am envious of you and your, I guess, like strength of mind, strength of character to be able to say, well, I'm not seeing this representation elsewhere. And it's not, I'm not seeing myself. elsewhere so I'm just going to romanticise myself and yeah I could never have done that I would

never have been as strong to do that like the only option for me ever was to go down the path of thinness let's find thinness yeah and it wasn't until I started seeing like people of different shapes and sizes but like in a positive context it was only then that things started to click for me but to be able to do that by yourself so I didn't have that representation in Australia like I didn't see anyone plus size romanticised on TV like they were always like the fat funny friend like I really didn't have anyone like everyone's very thin in Australia it's a very you can say toxic health wellness culture like it is a very wellness yeah a lot of wellness some some of it's toxic for sure um so I didn't have anything so that's why I went to painting yeah but I think if I do reflect my

parents are not standard people yeah like they're brilliant and and you know change makers and and innovators and I think even at school, the high school I went to, my parents were just very different to the other parents and, you know, they got shit. People judged them. Even in my town there was probably some people that just didn't believe how my parents were parenting. You know, they pulled me out of school and I was homeschooled and went traveling with my parents' career for a few years and people thought that was a bit bizarre and like, you know, but it was the best thing ever for me, you know. And like we went to a very strict school and like I'd come to school with pain all over me and, you know, it wasn't the standard cookie cutter.

And I used to, I used to keep pulled in, being, she was a drug dealer at school. They'd call my mom, because I was different, right? And then I'd call my mom. I was like, she'd never done drugs, baby. And they would ransack me and I didn't have anything. I was never a drug dealer. But like, because I was different, I was pushed better. I think because my parents have always been different and always walked their own beat of their own

drum, like that this really was probably actually because they never cared. They never got a shit, what anyone's thought about them. They've built their own life. They've done it their own way. They've done it brilliantly. So, like, I think that probably, and growing up with high achieving parents, but also, as their sailors, they always had international sailors come stay with us. Like, our house is like a hostel vibes.

Like, all these incredible athletes would always stay with me. So I grew up with people that aren't the standard, that are pushing boundaries, are think differently, are obsessed, like, and they don't give, they don't consider what Sally's thinking. Yeah. Why would they? Brilliant people don't. So I think that was actually subconsciously. Does that mean we're not brilliant now?

I think confirmed I'm not brilliant But you know what I mean Like if I can really reflect I think I think doing that I didn't think twice about it Because I had idols and role models in my life Being my parents That never gave a shit

That's so cool That's so cool Because they are you know Not mainstream at all Yeah And that will have instilled all of this in you For sure They're not yeah

They've done things differently So how did when you were at school And you're beginning to learn that you're a bit different and they're other people's like you know that other people don't bath with their moms or whatever like how did you then sort of like coexist in one world in school you know one foot in school and then one foot at home like did it change the dynamic at home I love school and like I hated the I went to an all-girls school in the high school so we do like primary school and high school that's like our schooling yeah um oh I hated all the

drama and like all the girl shit so I was like I guess you would say like popular but popular in the sense that I just didn't have issues anyone like I went to um you know there was a lot of Muslim girls a lot of Asian girls at my school I went to a school like an hour and a half way from where I grew up oh wow yeah there's indigenous girls it was a boarding school I didn't board but they was boarding yeah brilliant school academic like a very good school um and a very like strict and stuff like that but yeah I didn't give a shit for the drama or the box gaps or the boyfriend stuff kind of thing at the beginning so I just like floated around like just had fun at school. And then I went homeschooling, as I mentioned. And I saw so much

the world. And I was only around adults and then I came back. And that's when I felt really out of place. Because I had built a career. Basically, I worked for a broadcast when I was away and I had like an adult life. I started as a camera assistant and then I ended up shooting live broadcasts. And anyway, built a film career. Basically, when I was extremely young, no one in my age, came back and didn't relate to anyone because I wanted a career then and there. I was like 16. So I saved up all this money and ran away. And I went backpacking around the UK solo and made a documentary about it. So yeah, I did fill out a place. So did you run away from school. You didn't run away from your parents. Did your parents support? Yeah, they supported you.

They were like, well, we trained you to do this technically. Yeah. Like they put me on a plane at at 12 by myself. Did they? Yeah. For their careers. Wow. Wow. So like when I did that and came back and made a film, like I, so I was a documentary maker. Yeah, so I was, you know, and they believed in me and it did really well my documentaries and I kept making documentaries and stuff like that. That was my way of letting it out. But I'm never the judgment that you faced at school for being different or the feelings in your, like, that comments, like, just that you were living a slightly different life to everybody else. Did it ever when you went home make you feel like you wanted to change anything

or did home stay positive and open? Oh, so positive and open. My sister's a, huge role models as well so my elder my middle sister Lucy taught me a lot about feminism she's big feminist like from a young age was like educating me about it and I found a lot of power in that and like that was most of our discussions at the dinner and stuff like that but you remember like where I grew up and where I went to school felt like two different cultures in itself like where I grew up is so laid back and like a surf town in a way and like you know everyone whereas like where I went to school it's like North Shore like it would be like

Like, not this city, but like there, there was like 300 in my year, I think. And like, they go to the mall on the weekend. Okay. And I didn't go to the mall on the weekend. Like, I was rock climbing or waterfall chasing or, you know, running off storms. Like, I lived a very different life to the people I grew up with anyway in high school kind of thing. So I already had that thing. Never saw it as a negative.

Like, I was never bullied at school or anything. Like, I think of anything, maybe some people were, like, jealous that I had lived, like, quite a different life to them. Like, a lot of those girls that went to school with had double lives from their parents. So they would come to, like, I guess you'd say, like, how my beach house. house in a way and like have totally different lives and we would get drunk and kind of thing and like oh don't tell my mom and my mom was like I was always so close to my mom even to this day some of my girlfriends call my mom just like for advice and no yeah so like if something ever went wrong like my mom always had this real something ever we were growing out drinking or

whatever young is something ever called my mom you're not in trouble call me because I'll be there and we'll deal with the consequences of whatever but like I remember I got really drunk one time I got really just like stupidly drunk one night and made a fool of myself and my mom picked me up and I just felt horrendous the next day I was you like extremely hung over and anxious and all this stuff and when my mum came in I was like why aren't you angry at me and she goes because you're beating yourself off enough and like her like awareness of that my mom's like that and I was like oh yeah because I was so angry at myself I was more there's nothing she could say to you that you wouldn't have heard me more yeah my mom says that sort of thing and it's like

parenting feels like the most contentious thing ever, like, in terms of having just become a mom now myself, I'm like, oh, God, how I'm like, well, I know how I want to do it. But God, I'm never going to tell the internet, like how I want to do it. Because, well, no, there's just so much. Like, I know who I want to be. And I want to be, I want to be my mom. And I definitely want strings from your mom. Like, you know, like, it's such a lovely thing. And I do think, like, in terms of, like, the change for future generations, I think, Al, you've made this video on Instagram that. Like the generational trauma that we all carry. And I think the one thing that we're going to break as a generation so much will be the weight. And it's so nice that your mum never made you feel like you had to be like your sister's. It wasn't like she was trying to make you. Put me on a diet or anything. My aim from both of my parents is always just happiness. And even in like we all have extremely different careers and I like, you know, probably not standard careers either.

My siblings and I and it's like, whatever makes you happy go for it. Like, and we'll support that. If you're not happy, we're not happy. So, like, yeah, even that. So when it came down to, you know, yeah, I probably was overweight and all these things. But was I happy? Yeah. Yeah.

I was. So why would they stop that? And how do you feel now as a, so, like, I feel like you've come from a very small town with very specific, supportive environment. Now you're in your other side of the world, doing it in front of completely different people, being your unapologetic self on the internet. Like, how do you feel doing that, exposing yourself in that way? Do you still feel as confident and sure of yourself?

Or does anybody's reaction ever get to you? No, I don't even think twice about it. I think the pillars that were built to me from a young age, 100% change that. Also, I went through quite a traumatic experience about four years ago. And I think when you go through something so life-changing and you're shown, like, what's... I was shown really what was important in my life and caring what people think was not in.

So that also really exacerbated it. Like I dance on the street. I don't know if you've seen that. And people, you know, all the British fellows, like, how are you not caring what the people? Because people walk past, right, when I'm dancing the street. Like, what do you mean you're not like caring or considering what other people are thinking about you?

And I didn't understand that question. I was like, what do you mean? Like, of course I'm not thinking about what they're thinking. And it was like, yeah, I don't because dancing, for instance, me on the street makes me happy. That's simple, right? So why would I consider what they're thinking? I'm being selfish.

And I think in this society, you're constantly, especially women, you're told to, like, not be selfish. No, be selfish. Unless you're putting it someone at harm, don't be, right? So me dancing, I'm not causing anyone harm. I think the connotations of selfishness when it comes to women is always that somebody else will suffer. If you are selfish, something will suffer in your life. You won't be giving enough to your family.

You won't be giving enough to your partner. You won't be being a good enough woman. Like, it's selfishness in a woman always is painted as being at the expense of somebody else. So when you say you're selfish for dancing in the street, it's like, what a ridiculous term because you're not. Yeah, it's so ridiculous. But I'm doing it for me and only me. That's the definition of selfishness,

but that's not the definition of selfishness that we actually think of or we think of women. Yeah. Like, you're just doing you. It doesn't mean I don't consider, in terms of just being on the internet in general kind of thing, not just dancing on the street. It's like, if I upset someone out,

oh, I'm going to care, like I don't want that. Yeah, but I mean, selfishness isn't make me bad. But if I don't know you and you're upset by like my body, for instance, me posting a picture on it. Like, I don't give a shit. That's on you. Yeah. Like, yeah.

And I don't know, for me, because it started with the body, putting such a great relationship with my body and my mind and really knowing who I am and knowing I have, I have really amazing people around me and I always have. And I'm so unbelievably fortunate to have that. I know a lot of people don't. So like, if someone doesn't like me, it's kind of like, cool, because I probably won't like you either.

And like, I don't know where I like, I think because my dad is such like a, yeah, he doesn't consider what people think of him. My mother doesn't either. Like, people in my town probably think my mom and my dad are so different, and that never stopped them. What a way to live. It's lovely.

It's freeing. Yeah. It's so freeing. It's so nice. Yeah. You are a model now. Yes. I am.

That's your occupational. Yes. I guess you. I know why did that in French? Because you can. Because I can. I don't give a fuck about none of you guys speaking. I can.

So I'm going to do it. How did that come around for you? Yeah. So I moved here three weeks before COVID here. As a director of documentaries. Oh, that's tricky. Yeah, three weeks before COVID. Well, I must say, it's so hard to say this.

But, like, it was actually, like, a really good time for me. Like, obviously, I didn't know the COVID, but I had a really lovely COVID experience. That's awful to say. But, like, for me, I didn't have family here, or relatives here that I've worried about being sick. Obviously, I lived alone. Yeah.

Like, Australia didn't hit until, like, years later, pretty much, like a year or so later. So I used the time as, like, free time. and I was dancing all the time and I started building more content online. I had, as I said, I was a non-sexualized nude photographer and like directing before and all my Instagram accounts were deleted

in late 2018. So when I returned to Instagram, like when I got my account back, basically a newspaper, did an article about it because I was doing a national tour and legally in journalism, if you badmouthed company, even like Instagram, they can, they have to ask for comment

and so they ask for comment and it said technical error. So when that article went live, I got my account back. Humans of the nude, it was at the time. It was just like my art, nude photography, body positivity. I was completely shadow banned. Thousands and thousands of followers removed. All my content pretty much removed.

So when I started, went back on Instagram. I was like, okay, well, let's change the name to image and fucking Ivy because I'm angry. And I can't do my nude work anymore, which was so limiting. I lost to business overnight. Anyway, so when I moved to London, I just started making content, like dancing and, like, comedy stuff. because to really give a shit, my worth and my art wasn't respected, so I'm just going to, you know, dance in my knickers, who cares? Like, I was really angry, if anything, like, fuck you, Instagram.

Yeah. Love you. She just got verified. Hello? Congrats. Thanks. And then, yeah, so I moved to London. I was making more and more on content online, and I was scouted from that as a model,

but there was no hot picks on there. Like, I was just dancing, having fun. Like, because, yeah, growing up in Australia, never thought I'd model. Like, why would I have thought that? Like, even when I moved here, like, walking into, like, Sainsbury, like, there's, like, chew clothing. You can buy bras. Like, I'd never experience that.

I could never buy a bra in Australia. Like, I can't walk into a shop in Australia and buy clothing. So, like, that was just, like, whoa. And there's, like, people that look like me here. Yeah. Because I was such a proud fat woman when I moved here, I was, like, 125 kilos. I didn't realize that British people say you're fit. It's like, you're hot.

Oh, right. Yeah. People say, you're fit? Yeah. So I remember moving to here, like, some guys, like, were randomly hit on me and say, like, oh, you're so fit. And I'd be like, no, I'm fat. Like, not understanding.

They were just trying to hit on me. We're like, rest of the case, babe. So I was taken now. But, yeah, my now partner, I actually explained that to me. I was like, no, no, no, fit. It's like a, it's like a thing. You're hot. I was like, oh.

It's easy. Anyway, so, yeah, we're scouted online. And I remember just thinking it was a scam. Like, I thought it was a joke. It was from. my now mother agent for modeling. And it's just like a DM. Yeah.

I was like, hey, who's your agency? And at the time, I was actually looking for a creative agency, like a talent agency to maybe represent me at that point. And I was like, oh, I don't have one, but I'm looking for creative agency. She's like, no, modeling. And I was like, what? Modeling. Like, you're surely not.

And no, she was deadly serious. Yeah. And then didn't know she was highly connected. Didn't know she was actually a really good scout and like known. How would I have known that? I knew nothing about this world. Anyway, I went to a few agencies. and I remember just being so nervous

because I've never rocked up to work and been based on my appearance like who that's quite not very normal I don't think well I had never been always been behind camera so rocked up in like when I'm nervous I just become extra myself so I start twirking on the table

and I wore a so not what happens to me so I'm in this modelling like waiting room right and there's a guy that honestly probably dropped dead gorgeous the chisel jaw line Mankinian is that you say Manchester guy

Oh my god I think I'm saying like in a man Keeney. So he's like, Mancunian. Mancunian. Mancunian. Anyway, he's from there. And he's like so hot. Like, you know, that standard kind of chisel look.

And I was like, anyway, he went in before me, didn't get signed. So I was like, and I'm in this fluoro. I've got a picture of it. I'll put it on the podcast. Fluro green top and skirt that was like a big slit. Like, and I think like a pink bra like yolo. Amazing. And anyway, I started twirking and I got a contract within two minutes.

And I think. I was lucky because they were really looking for personalities, you know, more than anything than appearance. Anyway, you know nothing about modelling. First job was like Super Drug, never heard of that. Like you remember I'm, I was very naive. I didn't know brands here. Like, why would I have? I've been trapped indoors for two years at this point pretty much, like in UK. So super drug, had no idea, did it. I was like, oh, that's cool. A great first brand. Yeah. And then it was like everywhere. And then the second job was pretty little thing. Never heard of it. So I get flown to Italy. Also a big brands. Yeah. Yeah. But I

I didn't know that. So I remember going to the casting for that. They said it was like body positive. And they were like, and I spoke about my body at the carcing and like my passion for and they clearly saw that and booked to me. Anyway, I get flown to Italy with other models. And I'm like, these are models that I'm quickly finding out, like, modelled like 10 years. And I'm like, second job.

Like, shit. I knew nothing about pretty little thing. Quickly Googling and stuff like that. Didn't know who Molly May was. Like, how would I have known any UK celebs either? Like, even influences, like, knew nothing. Anyway, that went viral. That went, I was on every billboard, every tube station.

And that, actually, I was like, kind of was confronted when it all came out. I was like, oh, my God, I'm everywhere. Like, I just was so not ready for it in a way, I think. But I was, like, so blessed and so thankful for it. But that, in hindsight, like, kicked off the career. But I got lucky, basically. But I think my naivity got me that job. Because I didn't know how big it was or whatever.

It was their first non-photoshopped Body positive campaign And did you feel good? Oh yeah, it felt amazing And with the reaction to it Yeah, yeah, yeah But I just think I was a bit spooked out Because I was like everywhere

Yeah And I've never experienced that obviously But now, now It was all positive Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh yeah Oh yeah, if there was negative I didn't hear it

Oh, I didn't listen to it Oh great Like that doesn't bother me Amazing, but yeah It was pretty cool And then yeah I've been very blessed That I've worked

With some amazing brands ever since Yeah It does make you realise, I think maybe because we're from here and particularly our, like, we campaign so much to make, make brands more inclusive, I don't think you realise how far, I don't think we realise how far we've come. Yeah. To hear that is actually really good. Like, oh, there's so much here and you've done so much and actually, like, compared to Australia. Comparatively, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, for me, like, but I say modelling is activism, like, yeah. Because I was in that line of

work anyway, like, trying to make people feel empowered about their bodies. anyway. This was just like another avenue for it. Once I understood that quickly when I scouted I was like oh I can this is like for me it's not really about looking hot or cute like I don't give a shit about that and you probably felt that on the shoot like for me it's it's it's representation yeah it's making little me's little fatty me's in Australia thinking oh she can do it she's brilliant you know it's just on a bigger scale it's just a different avenue so that's why I model it's nothing to do with my being vain or anything like that I don't think I'm gorgeous I never think my body is a least interesting thing about me my

appearance is whatever. Like I don't give a shit about it. For me, it's the message. Do you think you were brought up to love yourself to, to understand that your body is the least interesting part about you, to just live your life unapologetically? Do you think that's something that adults can learn? Absolutely. That's what I try promote. It's about rewiring your brain, really. If you grew up in a certain situation, like I know, I know I definitely had difficulties and stuff like that as well. But, oh, 100%. It's about re, like for me, unlearning fat phobia. Well, understanding what is fat phobia and then unlearning it.

Like, you, majority of the things in our life now, we have to, as women, we have to unlearn. It's not learning, it's unlearning. Yeah. Which does feel easier in a way than learning. It's still overwhelming, I think, when you find out the life you've been told is to catch the... But to know that it's possible. It's not like, when you're learning something, it's not, it's like, God, if I had to, like, learn another language. It's like, the idea of unlearning something, it feels quite like, you know, undoing somehow feels

feels possible. Yeah. I feel the opposite. Do you? Because I think it's more difficult, like neurologically speaking, to un-learn than to learn. Unlearn, you have to practice daily. Yeah. Like, it's not just a one-time thing.

But learning you do. I mean, I don't know if we'll ever have an answer to this. But learn, like. You absorb learning. I wonder if you could like, to be honest, I'd actually think about it, you wouldn't be able to unlearn French. No. No.

You don't learn the sojee, though. Yeah, no, I know. I'm just thinking, like, the neurological thing, like, could you unlearn any other, any other thing that you knew? You could forget it, though. You could forget it. Yeah. I also, I've unlearned a lot of things as well. Yeah. It's not like I was just born and like, oh, she's perfect. No, I've lived life. Yeah. Yeah, I've had to unlearn things. I think, yeah, I think the point, I'm just sorry, I'm just thinking about it. So I've unlearned people pleasing. I am unlearning people pleasing. And I think what I mean by it being easier is that,

now I know when the thought comes in I can catch the thought and make whereas if you're learning something you have to make yourself have the thought to know it yeah when it comes in I'm like bad thought rather than having to go out and make the thought I can just fight the thought it's defensive rather than

offensive which for a lazy person yeah yeah yeah it's what CBT and DBT therapy is like you're rewiring your brain yeah I think the problem I have with that is recognising it yeah because I'm not I'm not good at recognizing my own thoughts and like, you know. For me, I'm talking to myself, I was such a gay danger.

Yeah, yeah, all the time. Like I go for walks, putting headphones, looks like you're on a phone call. I don't give a shit now. Oh, you out loud, talk to yourself. Oh, God. I do that. Yeah, I do it when I'm running. Especially when I used to, like, get, like, anxious waves and stuff.

So you can hear what you're saying out loud. It's an automatic tool that will slow down your thought process. Really? Yeah. So when you're in your head, it ruminates gets bigger and bigger and bigger, like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so then if you say it out loud,

it will automatically slow the thoughts you can hear yourself and realise you're being an absolute bitch to yourself. Oh, wow. I really like that. I do that when I'm running. Yeah. But I look like a fucking hooligan. Who cares?

Like I'm literally running along and I'm like, I can fucking do this. Look at me go. I'm doing it. It's looking at me like, all right, yeah, you're doing it. So what you want to meddle? If someone wants to do that, yeah, you can either do it in your own home. I like walking because it feels like I'm going somewhere. Like if I've got something around my mind, yeah,

a walk, put in headphones, look like you're on a phone call. if you are anxious about what people think, you know, baby steps, or just sitting in a room, looking at painting, looking at something, pretending at someone and just talking to yourself. And you'll realise so much about yourself. I don't know. I think the way you speak to yourself. Like, if you can't build a relationship with yourself,

how do you think you're going to start this journey in the self? Like, how you're going to start to unlearn? You've got to understand what's the problem first before you can... Yeah. What if there's a lot of problems? But, you know, this is an exercise purely done. self-love and like so soothing eating like for me I started this one was anxious but like who do I want to be when do you ask yourself these questions I highly promote like self dating yeah I mean

in a happy relationship and all that stuff I'll take myself up on dates ask myself ask myself I'll ask how are you going what do you do for a living are you happy to do with that job like when do we do that that's actually really cool yeah you how are you meant to be your own dinner and do that to yourself talk to yourself yeah or you can bring a journal I'm obsessed with you oh my gosh you think about it Sorry, British, love y'all. But, like, you guys are constantly consuming, like, what are people going to think in a public setting?

Like, you aren't going to see that person again. Especially in London. When are you, how often do you run into your friends in London? Not that often. I run into my friends way too much. Probably in your town and area, but if you're in central. Yeah. And they don't care.

Also, but you are, like, influencers. You've got, like, a following and stuff. But, like, you should be promoting. They'll be like, God, I saw Alex Light sitting in Pratt. She was on a fucking mad point. What do you do for living? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm not sure. help. You do any comfort in home, but yeah, like talking to yourself and like checking me this up. I also do like a scale out of 10. Like how am I emotionally, physically, mentally going? Oh my God, I love this. Because numbers are also easy to. I used to do it with my partner. That's what we do check-ins every week. I can't commit with numbers. Like with you know when someone asked you, what's the pain out of 10? I'm like, oh, four. No, five. No, six. No, I don't know. Three. Two. I don't know. I don't know. Next question, please.

Yeah. Great way to get to know yourself because, yeah, you are keen on doing learning or self-love. I love that. I actually love that because it's so true. Like whenever do we take the time to check in with ourselves, like never. What do you need? Like I do this series on Tuesdays to take what you need. It's like, do you need hydration or do you need food fuel? Do you need to be alone or do you need to be social or do you need a hug? Do you need a wink? Do you need a kiss? Do you need to be? You know what I mean? And I've done it and people love it. And I'm like, wow, because people don't check in with yourselves. Like when I was sick, nurses every minute, every minute, we're checking in what do you need what you need yeah i was like when i became healthy i was

like well why aren't i doing that to myself constantly you know what i mean simple as a mother's checking on their child yeah this has given me a lot for mother like parenting this episode's given me a lot of like what i want my mom's back in town um i'll tell you guys and get her on podcast. Oh my God. She's quite actually busy, quite whimsical. She's hilarious. Oh my God. I love that. Yeah. She doesn't give a shit about her appearance, like doesn't die her hair, never done skincare. Like she's just such a tomboy and just... Dream. Full of life. I'm God, I love to talk to yeah. That would be so cool. Oh my God. What a chat. Honestly, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I'm going to be doing a lot of things after this actually. Starting with talking to

myself. You're going to be sectioned. Yeah, buy you time and dildos. Come on. My favourite is the rabbit. Why your mum one? You know, it was on the, like, clit and the doodos. Personal fame.

Woman eyes is good too. Yeah, I've had good things, but the women are nicer. Top tip, guys. Yeah. If you're cut out. When did you mind's birthday, Al? Fuck off. She'd never speak to me again.

Although I do have so feel like I have done my mom dirty. I don't know. It's just the way she was brought up. You know, she didn't know anything different. And she's such a good mom. She's the best. And I feel bad now. It's not a bad parent.

Because I feel like that with my mom, it's like, it's not a bad, to say anything. It's like it's not bad parenting. But you can, as a mother, and I'm learning this now. As a mother, you can only be who you are. And it's like you do get to a point when you're like a grown up where you realize that your parents are just people too. Thanks so much joining us. Thank you guys. So cool to chat to you.

Love, love. Please come back with your mom. Oh, absolutely. We need to speak to her. Thank you so much for listening. Should I delete that is part of the. ACAST creator network.