Show Me Something - Live From the Bracket: Episode 4 | Final Four and Philosophy with Jay Williams

Episode Date: April 10, 2026

Live from Indianapolis, Sophie Cunningham and West Wilson are back in the middle of March Madness®—breaking down Michigan vs. UConn, Final Four® vibes, and everything happening off the court that fans don’t see. From hotel lobbies, pregame rituals, to Midwest fandom, and what it’s really like when teams travel during the tournament—this episode, recorded on April 6 before the Men’s Final Four® Championship, captures the full experience of college basketball’s biggest stage. Then things level up with special guest Jay Williams—former Duke star, national champion, and ESPN analyst—who pulls up fresh off a full morning of live TV. Jay gets real about Duke’s heartbreak, Final Four® pressure, trash-talking fans, and the mindset that defined his career (“next play” mentality 👀)." Plus: Why underdog runs are getting harder (NIL impact) Inside hotel life during tournament runs Jay’s wild college memories + Coach Krzyzewski stories The BEST (and pettiest) fanbases in college hoops Travel routines, superstition, and life on the road Real talk on the WNBA, growth, and why it matters It’s hoops, culture, travel, and unfiltered conversation—exactly how March Madness® should feel. Marriott Bonvoy is the official hotel partner of the NCAA, March Madness®️, and Final Four. 00:00 - We're Live from the Bracket (Literally)0:16 - A Message from Marriott Bonvoy: Enter the 2027 Sweeps!1:13 - We’re Back in Indy for the Championship2:07 - Thoughts on the Tournament & Winner Predictions3:35 - How the Final Four Impacts Indianapolis5:14 - The Midwest College Sports Culture6:00 - Ideal Game Day7:01 - Welcome, Jay Williams!8:11 - Jay on Duke’s Elite Eight Loss9:29 - Jay’s Favorite Duke Travel Memories10:47 - Biggest Lessons from Coach K12:07 - Jay on Final Four Weekend as a Player13:08 - What He Looks Forward to as a Viewer14:11 - Where Jay Gets His Vibe15:15 - Jay’s Hotel Must-Haves16:01 - The Missed Free Throw18:13 - What Happened with Dan Hurley & the Referee?20:04 - What Traveling Was Like as a Player20:55 - How Jay Takes in a New City22:57 - Jay’s All-Time Favorite Player24:38 - Meeting People IRL is the Best25:15 - Sophie’s Favorite Thing About Media Now26:06 - An Important Ritual to Jay28:00 - Energy Management28:46 - Playing “This or That”31:30 - The WNBA35:11 - Are Sports Academies the Future?35:45 - The Business of Basketball39:40 - Learning How to Use Your Resources40:30 - Thank You, Jay!40:49 - Wrapping Up the Live From the Bracket Series41:19 - Favorite Tournament Memories42:30 - Don’t Forget to Enter the 2027 Sweeps!All lines provided by ‪Hard Rock BetSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mary at Bonboy, where Game Day checks in. Show me to the podcast. Yo, what's going on? We're back in Indy and it's not as cold this time. So I'll take it. The Big Eye is what people are calling it. It's Game Day for Michigan and Yukon. Yukon. Who do you have? I'm staying in the Michigan Hotel, so I kind of feel like...

I like that. I got to do it. Honestly, I think like two or three weeks ago, I would have seriously said Yukon would have had it, but now watching Michigan. Oh, yeah. Those are just big boys that are pros. I think I'm going Michigan. They beat a one seed by 30 points. If I was a betting woman, I would bet on Michigan.

Yeah. But beautiful studio. Yeah. It looks good. We've got the trophy back here too. We're live from a Marriott. We've had some good studios that we've been shooting in with our guests. Yeah.

We do have our last one today. We just came from Phoenix. Yep. And had great pod episodes. And then today we're with Jay Williams, who rocks. Yeah. I've probably seen him on TV. I saw him.

Or heard the voice. Yeah. I actually saw him on TV this morning. I turned ESPN on. We're excited to have him. He's going to be a good one. So lock of the freaking, okay? How's that sound?

Let's talk some ball. Ball. Fun tournament. A lot of one seed supremacy, which I hate. It was like the things were supposed to happen. You know what I mean? Besides like the Duke in Yukon. That was like the biggest thing to me.

For sure, the biggest moment of the tourney. Yeah. But you need those. Actually, I would say round one and two, there were a few. Little upy sets. Uppie sets. I'm always a fan of that. You're always going to have those upsets,

but I always want like underdog, underdog to like really make it. We've talked about it before. With NIL, it's like way harder. Okay, but let's talk about a little Yukon, Michigan for real though. Okay. Have you been keeping up with them a little? I mean, I watched Michigan.

Dominate Arizona. Yeah. I watched Michigan with our sweet brother Kev. Oh, did you? Yeah, we went to a little bar in downtown Phoenix. Oh, that's fun. Every time we got wings and burgers, and every time we'd look up at the TV,

Michigan was like all youoping from from like half court. Okay, here's my thing. And hopefully I'm not eating my words, but Yukon are phenomenal players. Like I'm not trying to take away from them whatsoever. Really good players, really good systematic players. But compared to Michigan, Michigan just has a bunch of hoopers who can just play. Yukon is going to have people who go to the pros, a thousand percent. Like I'm not saying that.

But Michigan has dogs. Dogs who are going to go to the pros. Yeah. Who just know how the rhythm of the game. They don't need a system. They just know how to go get a bucket. Well, and like the biggest center in the bracket, which is kind of crazy.

Yeah. You have spent a lot of time in the great city of Indianapolis. I have. What do you think the Final Four brings to the community? Weirdly enough, the Final Fours, men's and women's are like your home bases this year. And that weird. That is weird. Is it the year of me?

Kind of. Oh, so less. I could get behind this. Yeah. I feel like, honestly, the W has done a great job of bringing a lot of money into the state of Indiana. Okay. Having a men's final four anywhere, I just think the restaurants thrive. The people around town that get excited, the gas, the hotels.

I think the cities do a really good job, having people feel important, embracing them into their culture of Indiana. And people are showing out. It's packed here. One thing that's like underrated, unlike a lot of major sporting events where it's one event and then you go home, there's two games because it's the final four. So you have the round of four and then you have the championship. So there's four schools in town at one.

Two of those teams, unfortunately, do lose, and they have probably booked their flights and hotels, assuming that they'd be in the championship game. And then their whole job after that is to hang out and just catch vibes and just explore the city. Well, that's what I was going to say. Like, people, we just had people in here from Arizona. And they're still here because they want to see the championship game. And so you're right. They're just catching vibes. They're getting to see the beautiful downtown Indianapolis.

And so. St. Elmo, go get you some shrimp cocktail. Have you been a livery? Here? I'm not. It's a nice little Mexican restaurant. Really? We had a great time.

Because we've been here, we were here for a selection Sunday and now Final Four, I was kind of saying downtown. But last night, we went and got dinner like more in the, not like in the suburb, but it was like a 10 minute Uber. Oh yeah. I like to drive to a restaurant and just kind of like scope out neighborhoods and feel at home. And like there are a bunch of houses with like Colts flags and cute little streets with like trees and old stoops. Being back in the Midwest, we just love our sports. Yeah. Like we love our sports.

And I know that like Indiana, they won with. the football and I know it's known for like a basketball state but like everyone is waving the flags everyone is like wearing their colors I absolutely love that about college sports culture in the Midwest so I think the coasts kind of lose it a little bit or they don't get it they're not fired up as much as we are I would agree and I mean it helps that there's that they're good yeah yeah um because the Colts kind of caught on fire and like people I was thinking about the Peyton Manning era and how fully it would have been to be here with with that whole team yeah when they were rocking trying to compete with Tom Brady every single fall yeah um

But for sure, the Midwest is like the best place to be a fan of any team ever. Wait, I have a, I have something. And especially the fever. Wait, let's, let's walk through. Okay, if you are a fan and say your team was in the championship game, what is your ideal day? Game is at 9 p.m. tonight. Oh, oh. So you have to like walk me through when you're waking up.

What are you doing? Your friends are in town. What's going on? I like this. I'm going to try to be a little wholesome. I'm going to wake up at like 11. Just a quick 30 minute incline walk downstairs in the treadmill. I was, sweat out.

I'm not expecting that at all. And then I'm going to, I'm going to the hotel bar right downstairs. Okay. Of this beautiful Marriott. Yep. And I'm going to wait for all the boys to come downstairs. Like noon, 1230. I think that's probably around one.

One. Okay, one. Lunch, maybe we just wander around. Because we're not doing a big dinner because we're going to be ready to go to the game. Yep. So maybe it's like a late lunch reservation. Stay there, drink a little bit, bar hop. Because you're bar hopping during the day.

And we're going to come back, shower. Put on our collegiate clothing and then head inside. I like that. And may I say before we head out of here, my water pressure. Pretty good. Sick. Yeah, it was good. It was really good.

So, salute. Salute. Salute Mary. They see was good, too. I walked to my room and I was like, Wes would enjoy this. Oh, it's beautiful. I woke up this morning,

turned on ESPN, because that's what I do most mornings. Did you see a lovely beautiful man? In a dark turtleneck. Yep, with blue socks. I'm glad the story started that way. Yeah, it was torso up. Oh, he wasn't like this.

No, And so. We put the legs down now. I felt special because said person on my TV screen was coming to hang out with us soon after. So he's been working already this morning. Was that live? Yeah, every hit has been live. Yeah. This morning starting at 5.30 a. So that was special for me. But before I started asking you a thousand questions, let me give you a special

intro if you're down. Guys, our guest today. You said expectations high. Our guest today. Former Duke standout and one of the most recognizable voices in college basketball. A national champion in 2001, a first team all-American and national player of the year in 2002. He's one of Duke's all-time greats. After his playing career, he's become one of the most trusted analysts and for ESPN and beyond. We'll see if he's trusted after this podcast. Yeah, we've got to find that out. Please welcome Jay Williams, everybody.

Yeah, guys. I got to tell you, big fan of the pod. Thanks so much. Big fan of the pot. All right, well, I'm just going to get right into it. How are you feeling after that Duke's loss? I thought this was like a positive show. It is.

I think it's always one of those things I'm torn about, right? I think what I recognized a long time ago doing TV is that if I try to be objective, my fan base hates me because I'm being objective. If I'm a homer, everybody else hates me because I'm a homer. So I just not really giving a damn what people think. And I root for my team and I tell you if I think they're bad in the matchup

and it's painful to see Yukon here in the championship game. Plus they've owned our number for the last 10, 15 years since 1999. Turning it back to being positive. The boozer boys, and especially the one who did the term. Caden? Yeah, he owned it. He owned it. And I just wanted to give him a squeeze

because he's a freshman, he's young, unexperienced at the collegiate level. But, like, he stepped up to the plate. You know what I mean? And so, like, he had a heck of a season. The whole team did, but that was a heartbreaker. So can I tell you his dad is my teammate? Yes.

So I've held him when he was a little baby. Oh, really? Which is crazy. Now I'm just an old man. No, no. But it's like those are, like, the little babies, you know what I mean? So watching him and you know how it is. And, like, we all have our experiences,

like losing on that stage with social media. Like, that's all people try to label you at. But he's a strong kid. He's gonna be all right. He's gonna be all right. Talking about like your college days, all of our college days, talk about like your favorite travel memories

back in Duke, like with teammates. I'll probably say one of my best experiences traveling was, you know, every time Duke has won a championship, we've either won it in Minneapolis or Indianapolis. Interesting. Which once again, you know, not to pour salt on the wound. But we won in Minneapolis and we won it. And obviously, you know, like winning a championship

is just crazy in general, right? Yeah. And we all got on the team bus. You know, Coach Kay is always like, every time he see him, he talks like this, and he's pretty, I love him. And he's like, you know, he's military, you know what I mean?

And watching him on the bus in Minneapolis dance. He let loose? He let his shoulder start flowing. And I was like, oh, now I see why Mickey Mary, you coach, okay, now it's all coming together. Like, that was probably like, it was like, you know, you know how it is. Like, you know, I didn't get a chance

to see my coach be human a lot. Yeah, yeah. It was always like so just monotonous every single day that there was a great moment. Typically, you hit the airport after an away game, but when you guys won in Minneapolis, you get to stay at the hotel one more night. Oh my God. Yeah, right? Just great.

Just great. Coach K just hit me in the chest with three of his national championship rings. Two of them just hit me so hard. I'm not going to act like it hurt. Wait, what is something you really learned from him? Because I think Coach K is won. He's a lot of people's favorites. I just feel like the more that you just listen to him

when you're away from the sport. Not that you're away from it, but you're not being coached by him every day. So it's a different perspective, a different lens. Like, what is something that you really learn from him? I think, you know, he often talked about and it's been critical for my life because, you know, like being drafted second overall,

you're getting a chance to live out your dream. Yep. Right? And for me, my dream was cut short by a mistake that I made. So as you can imagine, similar to like Kate and Boozer or why I probably run towards kids. that is you make a mistake on a national scene. Everybody has some type of judgment that they think

they would do if they were in your shoes. That's why I love like man in the arena. Right. It's like, it's a great speech. And I think for him in particular to your question, there will be mistakes. Yep. Do you look at them as mistakes or do you look at them as growth opportunities? Boom. Like he was by my side at the hospital like literally two days after I got hurt. Amazing. And just pray with me and just told me next play. Yep. That was always his thing. Like if I had three turnovers in a game like Jay next play if I made four shots Jay next play I say something stupid on TV was a mistake because you're on TV for seven hours a day yeah next play you make a mistake in a relationship all of these things right and for me in that moment when you want to wallow in

your own pity yeah think about the next play yeah so good okay real quick I'm I'm gonna lob you every year final four weekend brings the games the pageantry and legions of loyal fans to one city it's a stage that's bigger than anything else in college basketball what about final Four weekend, do you look forward to the most? I love trash talking to fan bases. I love it. It is so my thing. It just, it makes me warm inside.

You know? Like, because I think, you know, fans often just that exchange is great. And also, like, I know as a player that played in it, it's, there's so much noise. I'm just like, you guys, there's so much noise that always leads up to all this, right? And then there's something about tucking yourself in a bunker and it just being you and you're, your team. Yep. These people that I'm rocking with,

like that's my squad right now. And like it's, I miss that so much. Yeah. Yeah. Like you never get a chance to do that again. Being here in that moment where everything else, like you can play from 60,000 people. It's just you and your squad.

It's a beautiful feeling, man. Okay, now not playing. What is something you look forward to? Watching other people experience their moments. Yes, I like that. Like watching my freshman and my junior year, we lost in a sports, 316 to the team that lost in the national championship game each year.

And like, and that hurts. Like, that's like, you're like, oh. Yeah. Like, probably like Duke right now watching Yukon. Yeah. Right? I just said, I didn't think I would watch. Every time we got kicked out of the tournament, I stopped watching.

You did? Yeah, I was like on the beach. You're like, I just didn't want to. I was over it. Yeah, I respect that. Because if you're on my team, I don't like you. Yeah. But then watch you on my team love you.

Yeah, fair. So. I feel like I'm petty LaBelle. I'm like very petty. I like the store memories and just use that. I think I can kind of tell. Just use that as motivation. You know, I'm a little bit resentful.

That fits Duke. Can I say that? Sure. That fits like a Duke grad. Expound. Small private school, like, and people are more petty towards you and like you just have it to give back at all times. Is that fair to say? So I'm from Jersey.

Okay. Okay. Like, but I feel like I have a West Coast vibe. Like, I love the mountains. I love the beach. Chill out there. Listen to the water. Like, that's my whole energy.

I like that. Being recruited by them, I'm like, regardless, like I was at Georgetown, like, do I not go there? Like, it was Coach K. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, do I say no to that? And then, like, we played a style of basketball.

Like, we were, like, kind of like Golden State Warriors before they started playing Golden State Warriors basketball. So all of a sudden, like, people start comparing me to Woj, like, Bojahowski and Bobby Hurley and Christian Leightner. I'm like, you know, I got 19 tattoos. Yeah. Like, I'm not Christian Linger.

I love you guys. I know, like, the turtleneck may throw you off a little bit. I'm like, you know what I mean? And the blue socks, I get it. But like, that's not who I am. Yeah. So it's almost like people have this perception of who they think you are. I'm sure you guys see it all the time too.

Didn't he mean you like, oh, you're actually, you're really cool. I'm like, ah. Duh. What do you mean? You know, I feel like everyone who is living in public eye, everyone relates to that. But I think the majority of people, it's like, oh, wait, like, I actually really like you. You're not, it's like, well, yeah, because you guys don't know me. You guys, that's what you think.

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you're on the road to live. lot. Yes. Hotels, cars, planes, whatever. What keeps you grounded while you're traveling? Like, what are my Marriott rewards points since I've been 13 years old? Jay. Wait, are you being for real? Yeah, since I've been 13 years old. I was telling the crew all back. They're like, what? I'm like, yeah, my dad worked at Amix. So I've been, I've been staying in Marriott since I've been little. What then, okay, then let's do that. What do you need in a hotel room or hotel? Cleanliness. Of course. That's not, of course. Here it is. Well, here it is, yes. That hate being next to elevators. Can't do it. Okay.

I can't, like, just can't, bing, bing, bing, bong, can't do it. Okay. Can't do it. So you'd rather take the walk to the- I like to be in the middle of the hotel. Yeah. What's an underrated basketball city, in your opinion? It could be professional, it could be W, it could be college.

I gotta be honest with you. Okay. He's gonna say Chapel Hill. No, no, no, no. My junior year, like, how many times when you're a little girl, were you in your backyard, and you're shooting and you close your eyes and you're like, Three, two, one, and a shot goes up and it goes in.

Right? Okay. Yes. My last college basketball game, Sweet 16 against Indiana at Kentucky. It's the only time in my life I think I've ever heard Kentucky fans root for Indiana. That never happens because they despise us so much. Down four. So it was in Lexington.

In Lexington, Sweet 16. At the arena where Kentucky plays. At Rupp Arena. Okay. Okay. They take a shot. I get the, my rookie freshman takes the ball down the right side of floor. shoots a three, we're down four with eight seconds left to go in the game. The ball hits the back

of the rim, bounces to me at the top of the key, literally like every dream, catch the ball, this guy, Dane Fipe is right there from IU, give him a head fake, he jumps. I close my eyes, jump into this dude, throw it up. And one? All goes in. Four point play. Three and three and a half seconds left on the clock. Every kid's dream. They call timeout. Coach Kay's great at drawing like all these visionary stuff. He's like, when you make this free throw, we're going into our 41 press, like hands up, He's talking about all these next defensive plays, right? I'm locked in. I'm like, I'm going to make the free throw.

I'm going to make the free throw. Go up to the free throw line, do my routine. Ball goes in and out. My teammate Carlos Boozer gets the rebound, gets foul. They don't call it. Oh. We lose to Indiana. Now, I tell you this because I happen to marry a girl that went to IU

and her brother and her dad also went to IU. And all I hear about is the miss free throw. Dude. for the last 10 years of my life. Keep you humble. And these high, so hard. Indiana fans are crazy

when it comes to ball. I like them already. I like them already. It's very flat. Not a lot to do around here. I do respect downtown. Things that came up a long way. But like Indiana fans

pretty crazy, man. They're pretty loyal. So Bloomington is a whole, or do we think the state are we giving the same Indiana? That's fair. But also given like Indiana basketball. Yeah. They will now say they're a football school

because they're about school program. That's crazy, huh? Wow. Wait, so what are you, you have a lot to say about all these sports and I love this. But what are you looking forward to today. In the national championship game? Yeah. I've known Dan Hurley since I've been.

We need to talk about him and the ref. That was the, it's the funniest video I've ever seen. The ref is my boy. Oh, you know both of them. Yeah, the rep is my boy. He's been around forever. What he does is every time I call game, like, I'm at a big 12 or ACC game, he walks over to me. He's like, yo, I had on the pink flamingo suit pants tonight. I had the gray Pacino loafers on. I had the jacket on. He always tells me what his game fit is. Like all, like it's and down to a T and I always see him leaving. He's the best dress referee there is in the game. And him and Dan are kind of boys.

So like they're kind of like, they're not boys. That was like a moment of, they're cool. Like it's like they're like, yeah. He didn't think anything about it. Oh, ew. Dan was just hype like crazy. Dan was just hyped. That's nuts.

Dan's always been hyped though. I do have to also say I listen to the Keishon, Max and Jay podcast all the time. Max is genius. Max is straight up tell you like, so we have like our pre-production meeting every day like at 4, 45 in the morning. Right? Yeah. And like, all right. Wait, when do you go to bed?

Yeah, you just pretty much don't sleep. Ugh. You just keep going. Is that why you're doing circles around this table? That's right. So Max would come on the show and like, all right, like, oh, the Monday night game was last night. Max was like, I did not watch one second of it. I like that.

And I'm like, so where do we go with this? So then Max would read and then he would hear a couple people and have their assessment. And next thing you know, like, 10 minutes into the show, he has this thesis that is brilliant. I'm like, how did you just do that? Meanwhile, he's coming in from the bar the night before. He's like, oh, I was watching the game with all the boys. So everybody just had their, like, the true part about, like, the reason why your show was good. You guys are just authentically yourselves, right?

Like, it doesn't feel performative. You're just kicking it. I don't think we've set a stat the entirety of this. No, we said that he was player of the year. Player of the year. Oh, yeah, yeah, true. She doesn't, too. So we talk about a lot on court and some of the experiences you've had, but walk us through, like, you as a player, not on the court.

What are the hotel stays like? What are the meals like, the bus? Tournament specifically when it's like nonstop, city, city, city, bang, bus, game, hotel. A lot of video games. Really? Video games are played. Call of Duty.

NBA 2K. A lot of stuff like that as a player. A lot of just shenanigans that typically occur when you're dumb and you're 17, 18, 19 years old. You guys would do that with Coach K as your coach? Oh my goodness. You got to, no, you got to tell us a little bit. I can't surprise me.

During tournament time or just like normal C. I can either confirm nor deny the specific time or location of some of these things that have occurred. Jay, we've talked about this. You travel all over the country. When you're traveling, how do you like to explore a new city? Like for me, find like an old bar sitting in, have a couple beers and just see who comes in, who comes out, maybe talk to the bartender. What do you like to do when you're in a new city? How do you take it in?

So the last couple years have been hard because I have three kids under seven, so I'm always tired enough. Yeah. Well, how fun though. Yeah, they're the best too. Yeah. So sometimes, like, when I go into cities with them, like, I kind of, like, I like, I like history. Love.

So, like, just going through, like, hey, where are the top five places that we can go visit where I can teach my kids about history? That's cool. Because I don't find that people talk about that anymore. So going to locations, I'm big on that. Love. Like sightseeing and just kind of, like, talking through, like, what used to be, right, to understand, like, where we are now.

So I love anything like that. Yeah. My dad's very much like that. And I appreciate those memories from now. now that I'm older more than I did when I was younger. Yeah. Because when your little history is hard to like truly grasp, just like the importance of it, you know?

But when you're physically there too, though, you just, you get to take it in a little bit better. But looking back now and like the fact I've been to X, Y, Z historical place is so special. See, I'm saying your, your kids will be very proud of those experiences. I think that's correct for boys. I think girls are different. Like I have two girls and one boy, right? So like my friend, Scott made this video.

They were all having a beer at this bar. Just the difference between girls and boys. Because my kids are seven, five, and three. So my son is in the middle, right? Okay. So Amelia, Zane, Penelope. And this video was all these guys sitting at the bar, four guys, and one of my friends stood on top of the table,

and they did it by AI and kind of like jumped out of the roof and then jumped into outer space, right? And my son is like, oh, that's so cool. And my oldest daughter's like, but how can he breathe? He's in outer space. Right? And I'm just like, oh, my goodness. Girls have brains.

Yeah. It's activated earlier than me, right? So like, my daughter, when we go players, she's like, she'll talk about it. That's dope. For like a while. Like she'll talk about Indiana, places she's been, like, remembers it all like that, where my son's just, I guess it's about timing and when the brain forms, you know?

Yeah. Speaking of kids, when you were little, who was your favorite player growing up and why? And also now watching collegiate hoops or pro hoops, who's something that you still really love. So I am so, like all these conversations, whenever I start talking about business, I geek out. Yep. Like, I love sitting at this intersection of sports and business. And, you know, I'm 6'2. I never thought I was going to be 6'8, but, like, Magic Johnson was, like, my favorite

person of all time. Even though, like, I used to watch Magic, I'm like, I'm going to be more like Isaiah, but, like, I rock with you magic, right? So, like, meeting magic and spending time with magic, and magic's like my little brother, he calls me his little brother. I'm like, oh, thank you, Lord. Just because, like, you know, what he's built is legendary. I think like when I see guys now, like, I got the best job ever.

You really do, honestly. It's so gnarly. I get a chance to hang out with like Asia Wilson or you or like some of the best players in the W. Get a chance to play like LeBron or talk to D. Wade about history or Mello or, you know, if I'm watching Kate Cunningham and Detroit, like all these different people and just sports in general, NASCAR, NFL, NHL, like NHL hockey playoff. It's just awesome. Yeah. So I think when you get a chance to spend time with Pete Carroll, I'm like, yo, you are way more smart. Like, you're brilliant.

I never knew him like that. So Caliper, you just made mention of him. Like, you know, my father-in-law is Italian. So, like, I just watch literally like these. And I'm from Jersey. So my friends would call me like a black Italian growing up. Like, just watch these two just like kick it. And like, and they were like, oh, it's regazy and all these stuff.

So you get a chance to know people on a human level, which is just cool to me. Meeting people is such a better human experience than thinking you know people from media or TV or whatever. Because you get to know them and like why they are the way they are. And like when you are around people who are so brilliant at their craft and then you get to pick their brain, it's just like I love that stuff. And now that I'm kind of on this side of it and you do get to kind of like interview. Tell stories. Yeah. And it's just like people are just genius.

And the way they think about the craft, I know you say sports in general, but for me when I'm still playing like I just like I just like. I just love seeing different people's perspective on the sport of basketball. And it's cool as a player. It's cool as an analyst. And so, I don't know. I appreciate that too. What's your favorite part about doing media now? My favorite thing is being around the players and seeing their daily habits,

picking their brains on why they do what they do. I love breaking down offenses and defenses and why they're playing a certain way, why they switch up that style. I was with the Sun's broadcast for three or four years. And once KD got there and, you know, books phenomenal. But KD is just, I feel like, on a whole other level. Yes. And so just like always seeing his little right to left crossover right at that elbow,

no one could stop it. I saw so many game winners and just everyone knows that's his move, but they couldn't stop it. And so just like picking up on small details and, you know, getting to see Wembe play live, getting to see Luca play lives, getting to see these, you know, amazing players just like, I don't know, they're the elite level athletes in the entire world. And you get to see it firsthand and then talk about it and then interview them.

I just think that's so special. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of little details. Jay, did you have a routine or like, are you superstitious in any way? Anything you did at the hotel before you played or even before a big day? It's crazy being a parent, the most humbling thing that can ever happen to you, right? It gets you outside of yourself.

And this is positive because, you know, I almost died when I was 21. Yeah. Right? So that was a very hard experience for me to learn who I was, but not through the lens of other people. Yeah. Like for myself and who I wanted to be, right? I lost my mom, you know, three years ago coming up in a couple of days. Sorry to hear that.

It's okay. And I lost my dad this year. And so, you know, my parents have always instilled faith in me. So, like, I always say to serenity prayer before I go to sleep and when I wake up. But I say it in my mind, right? And it's like, God grant me to serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the strength to change things I can and the wisdom to know the difference. Because I just feel like, and I say it to my kids. Because, man, life throws so many different things out.

you. And especially when I'm traveling, I don't know how you guys are. But being out and about, I absorb a lot of people's energies all the time. Right. So it's, and I've definitely had a couple of bump ins with people when I was younger that I thought I wanted to meet. And I was so disappointed when I met them. That's what I was getting at. Because they didn't take that time. Yep. Yeah. Right. Just to treat me like I was a person. Yeah. And so like when I'm out and about, people come up to me and they'll talk to me. And I'm like, all right, I have a choice in this moment. Like, I'm dead tired. I've been going to say it was 4 a.m. I have no words, but like, how do I try to engage with this person for a minute?

Yep. Right? And I want my kids to have that same type of like hospitality, like that same type of like thoughtfulness. Yes. Because, man, nobody says I have to be here, man. Yeah. Yeah.

And also like when my mom and my dad, I'm like, whoa, like I'm 44 years old. Like I got 23 extra years with them. Yeah. Like nobody said I had to have that. Yeah. So it's a gift. Yep. You know, it's a gift.

That's a great perspective. That's good. And I think we can all feel that because, you are exhausted. Like, you just told us your schedule after this, and it's like, how are you doing what you're doing? You do this, like, on a daily basis. Just to feed off that, I feel like our parents are always like,

leave people better than you found them. How can you put a smile or how can you make people? I love the word hospitality. Like, I've never even thought about that because you're thinking about it in so many ways, but how can you do that when people come up to you? And so you can feel that. I think we felt your energy, right? When you came in, we're like, this is going to be great.

That's a good way to put it, yeah. I've always just thought that I think being, and maybe not for everyone, but being kind and nice, at least comes naturally to, I would like to think it comes naturally to everybody. But yeah, when you meet people who don't take the time to whether it's be respectful or give you the time, I just feel like that would drain me more than it would,

like taking the time to like- Energy management, baby. Yeah, it's a real thing. Quick little game of this or that. Okay. And we're asking you, but like we'll probably chime in. Hotel breakfast or post-game room service. Hotel breakfast.

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It's wild. I will never get over. Because when you play over there, you get to experience that. Yeah. And Yokic, when they're like, oh, is the crowd going to do? He's like, I'm from Serbia, brother. And then you see it, it's like, guns are going on fire. It's like, whole thing is shaking.

Game at Cameron or final four. Final four. Okay. Wow. This is a salty question. You're trying to hang banners, West. That's true. Free upgraded suite or crunch time free throw.

Free upgraded suite. I hate you both. I hate you. I hate you. I tell you one story about a missed free throw. And it had to get worked into the last question. In-flight movie or good music? I internally battle this one a lot, actually.

This is tough. Because I love country music. Like, and low-key, it makes me chill out. Yeah. But I do love a great in-flight movie. I love it. If I had to go music. I always think I'm going to watch a movie

and then I just kind of like, I just get comfortable with my shuffle, and I just let it rip. Easy one here. Durham or Chapel Hill? What am I doing? Cruising the town? Is this the old me or is this a movie? Is this the old me or is this a movie?

Is this the old me or new? Years old? Because the old me would have like Chapel Hill. I love hanging out on Chapel Hill. No, I'm always going to choose Durham. Film sash or shoot around? Shoot around. You fully unpack or live out of your suitcase?

Depends on how long. I know a lot of you will fully unpack all the time. I kind of go back and forth. Oh, I know Jay's answer for this one. It's probably all three of us. Postgame, Hotel, Recovery, or go out and celebrate. Shout out and celebrate. Come on, dude.

Yeah, shout of Tallahassee. He just won. 60 point game or 20 point triple double. 20 point triple double. Like that. Yeah. Did you get a lot of, were you,

boards guy? No, I got boards. You did? Yeah. Good. I think I was like six rebounds. Dog.

Dog. Cinderella story or Blue Blood Showdown. Oh, I kind of like the Blue Blood Showdown. Yeah, that's good. That's good. Team Bus or Team Flight. NBA or College?

That's what I was about to say. Different experience. Yeah. I was just about say, as a pro, team flight. Team flight. No doubt about it. Yeah.

But as a college, team bus. Yes. Pregame workout or pregame meditation sash? Pregame workout. Did you work out before games? Yeah, that was my meditation. Okay. The workout was the meditation.

Watching a game on set or in seats? On set. Yeah. On set. Just because I could talk to all my, we'll be able to talk. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like where I'm on the game, be like, oh, what do you think?

I'm like, stop. I'm watching the game with these people right here. Facts. Respect. All right, we're going to switch a little bit. You have been super outspoken about the WMBA, which I, big fan. Let's go, Jay. Just give us your thoughts and why.

Like, why do you care so much? Because there's a lot of people in your position who, you know, they just want to stick on the men's side. But you have been a big supporter of us. So thank you. My pleasure. I mean, you're human beings. Yeah. Thank you.

You're human beings. And you play a sport that is growing immensely. Yep. And, you know, sharing a piece of the pie is critical. I think for a multitude of reasons, I think, number one, like growing up, I played one of the first coaches I ever had, his name was Rich Leary. And he coached his team, the New Jersey Demons. And we had a girl in our team named Asia Jones.

and Asia played at Yukon. Yeah, I was going to say, why do I know that name? And she was an absolute savage, and we worked out all the time together. And my coach was so cool because basics were so part of the game and I would see all these guys play

and it was always out running up and down and Duncan. And he would be like, all right, Jay, like, let's do ball handling. And I would do it with like the girls. Yeah. Right? And like, some of the girls,

I'm like, her handles better than mine. Yeah. I need to work on shit. She talks about all the time how like the WNBA fundamentals are... It's just better. Yeah, it's better.

But it has to be. Like, You guys are just way more athletic where we have to have our fundamentals. So I learned at a young age. And I think just being around a lot of women's players, like, I would hear, like, I would hear all these stories. Like when I was in college, like I would listen to Sue. Like Sue Burr talk about like going over and what she had to do going overseas. Like DT is an absolute beast.

And I would watch Diane Tarasi tell stories about going overseas. I'm like, wait, they can just cut your contract. And she's like, yeah, they just cut our contract whenever. I would hear all these stories. And I'm like, yo, this is just wild. I'm like, you're here and you play here for several amount. months and then you go over there because you can make three four X with it that's the way they treat you over there it's just so as you watch this sport grow and grow and grow like and also like

I'll be really guys like I've always been passionate about it and they're like my oldest like is starting to love basketball yeah he loves basketball right so you start thinking about the future of the sport I already thought about that way but now like when I take my daughter to a liberty game and you're like yeah yeah so like oh I have a platform yeah and for me like once again I don't like to see anybody taking advantage of. Yeah. Right. So, yeah, like, we're just going to dive into the subject and I'm going to stand up

for what I think is right. And I do, I was glad that you guys decide to take a stand. Yeah. Because at some day, like, at some point, you have to be to advocate for yourself. Yeah. Right. Because in any big business, they're going to keep trying to, they say they're going to do the right thing, but they're in the business to make profit.

To make profit. Like, I appreciate it. I think that it's really cool. And we talked a little bit about it with Alison Feaster when she was talking, because she's with the Boston Celtics. She does stuff with their front office. And she was like, I love that you're hearing more. Kobe kind of started the trend of it, I would say, you know, the orange sweatshirt.

But like all the NBA guys and people who play at a high level, they love our sport and they respect it. It's cool when you see someone with your background, your platform, and now you have a daughter. And you're just even more invested because hopefully us players now, when it's her time to shine, it's way better than we could have ever imagined. You know what I mean? And so I think every little piece is important. And the CBA, it was super important. It was huge. And we fought for, you know, our revenue share was the biggest thing.

Our salary cap is way better. You know, so it's interesting, like, how the public frame something as opposed to what it actually is, right? So, like, a lot of times for the W, it's, I hear this come up a lot in commentary. Well, like, the NBA subsidizes, right? And you're like, oh, that's an investment. Like, it should, right? And the NBA is looking to get that investment back. And as you see this asset continue to grow and grow, that that's why the meteorites deal was better.

Yeah. Right. So I think you're starting to see. And one of the things I hear a lot on is like academies. Like I really think guys that we're moving toward day and age. Like I sit on the board for overtime elite. It's a really big conversation. Oh, like sports academies?

Yes. Oh. I think it's a really big. I think in particular for women's basketball is going to become bigger and bigger and bigger. Wait, I love this. Dave's got coach at overtime elite. Do you know David Lato? Yeah.

David Lato used to be the assistant coach at Yukon. Yeah. That's one of his best friend's dad. What? He was in a zoo for a while, so he went to, Dave went to Rockbridge, where we went to high school. Wow. Yeah. I love Dave later.

Yeah. It's all time. Please tell him I said a lot. I absolutely will. So it's interesting. Like when we talk about kids getting paid, right, it's such a polarizing topic in college. I know, a lot of people say, well, you know, it takes away from the sport. I'm like, okay.

Well, it's been taken away from, is it been taken away from tennis? Yeah. Has it been taken away from golf? Like, has it been taken away from overseas? Like, everybody gets into a conversation around Luca right now and his hamstring, right? And I talk a lot about as an athlete habits. Yeah. Okay.

Well, you become a pro and you don't know what you don't know. Like now as a coach, I can mold your habits. Yeah. Right. Luke has been a pro since he's been 14 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Valid.

So a lot of his habits are habits that he's not going to change. Yeah. And he's been rewarded for those habits over and over. Right. So, you know, in Europe, this is a, this is a common thing. Yeah. You could be a pro when you're 14. Look at all these academies and soccer.

Well, when you, when you are like a pro pro pro pro, they have, kids who are 13, 14 that are kind of like our practice players who do get paid and then they're just like developing them than to take our spots. So it's, but it's smart. It's smart. Yeah. So I look at this as trade school and I think it's going to start happening. It's the same way when you think about in five years where it's going to be some of the highest paying jobs, like plumbers. Yep. Nobody wants to like. So like at some point when you get your education, you guys both graduate from school, you're like, what did I major in? Yeah. Like is it actually applicable to like anything I'm doing right now? If you want to be involved in sports, if you're a young

girl, you want you want to be a WMBA player, doesn't it make sense for you to learn about the business of basketball? You could be an agent. You could be a GM. You could be a president. You can be a lawyer for somebody. There's so many different jobs. So the academies would be not just training, but educational as well. One million percent. You're going to change the whole curriculum. Because the only reason why, and I know I speak for probably a lot of people, we knew that there were overseas players who didn't go to college because they were already getting paid. The only reason why I truly went to college is because that was the next step in America to become a WMBA player, to become a pro. But also to your point, and I think social media, there's good things about it, there's bad things about it.

But I also think that it's shown a lot of, I'm speaking on the female side of things, those types of jobs. Like growing up, I had no idea. I was like, I had no idea. I was like, oh, GM, had no idea that we could do that. You know what I mean? You know nothing about it. They don't tell you anything about it. And so I feel like you go to college and you have to, in the sports world, it's either you're playing.

or your, I don't know, you just don't get taught the sports business as much as I wish you would. So I just got done speaking to USA basketball, like Jim Tully and Sean Ford, they're on the men's program, and I would do it with the women's too. So I got a chance to be there three days ago

and literally asked them, they had like 40 players in a room, and I was like, okay, cool, who in here wants to be top 10 NBA draft pick? Everybody raised their hand. Who in here wants to be the first pick ticket in the draft? Everybody raised their hand. So I picked him one kid.

I'm like, hey, you stand up. He's like, great. He said his name. I'm like, all right, you want to be the first pick in a draft? He said, yes, sir. I said, cool. How much is the first pick in the draft make? He was like, uh, I'm like, how do you want to be the first pick in the draft?

And you don't know what the first pick in the draft makes. How much is your contract inflated by on an annual basis? No one knows anything. I don't know anything. So then I take you to do the exercise. I'm like, let's say you made a million dollars, right? You're 21 years old. You made a million dollars.

All right? Okay, great. You got drafted by Miami. You both live in Miami, right? Where are you going to live? Yeah. And he's like, oh, I'm going to live in my own high rise. I'm like, all right, cool.

I'm like, how much are you going to spend for your apartment? He's like, $200,000? I was like, $200,000. No. It doesn't get you anything in Miami. No. He's like, $800,000. I'm like, all right, cool.

What kind of car are you going to drive? Yes. And he's like, I'll probably get like a Bentley. I'm like, all right, that's $2.50. I'm like, your mom and dad, have they been there for you your whole life? He's like, yeah. I'm like, how much are you going to spend in their house? He's like, you're already over.

You're in debt. You're only netting $600,000. Bigger picture would this be so that people don't have to also then waste money on other people to manage their money if people just knew how to do it. At least know how to ask the right questions. The right questions. And I think like we in our high school, which is crazy, we had financial advising, which was nice. I think everyone should have to take that, especially kids who are getting paid that type of money. Take the financial courses.

Like know where your money is going. Know the tax. Like another thing I didn't know, everywhere we play, you get taxed in that state. Like, you get taxed in every, every state because we're in entertainment business. And so it's just like little things like that. Someone knows. It's all applicable, though. It's like when I go on the road and I use my points, my Marriott, like, bond boy, like, reward points.

Like, so ESPN is putting me on the road all the time. I'm like, oh, I get a chance to stay at Marriott. I'll stay here. Yep. Give them my number. Get my points. And then when the season's over, I'm like, I could take my family on a vacation. It's about learning how to utilize your resources.

But you have to know they're there. You have to be disciplined with it. But these are things that people have to teach you how to do. If not, they just go unnoticed. Yeah, thousand percent. God, that's good. Hey, Jay, we love you so much. We do.

We do. I appreciate you guys. Because you have so much stuff to do today. You do. You guys, so you guys, you guys are both like rock stars. Thanks. Seriously. Thank you.

Thank you. Keep doing your thing and keep being yourselves. Thank you. It cuts through. Thank you. All these things don't really cut through. Yeah. That's love.

We appreciate that. Respect. So that about does it, sadly. Yeah. Yeah. We had some really good guess, though. I know I keep saying this, but we literally cried during this experience. We cried.

We laughed. We found hope. Hope. Incredible guests. Thank you to everyone who stopped by the Show Me Something podcast. We love you. Lexi, Joel, Holly, Allison, and Jay. We really did have some great guests. Yeah. And all big friends of Marriott, too. If you ever are wondering what hotel to stay at when you're traveling, just watch the Holly Row episode. Favorite tournament memory from the last few weeks. I think I'm going to go with the historic one of Duke Yukon, them getting this deal. Then he made it. So good for him. Freshman, though. He'll never forget that moment. So that was a game wonder. That was awesome.

I am going to keep it in the family because I my only dog in the fight. Well, I guess Missou and Iowa. Yeah. Representing the rest of my immediate family. But Iowa went on a little run. And so I got to send my brother a couple texts, you know. I love that. That's actually, that's an underrated part of the tournament.

What? Because there's so many schools involved. Yeah. You have like that one friend from like summer camp who went to like where the 15 seat is and like all of our family is Mizzu. My brother. Like, yeah. It's a fun little way to like keep tabs on all your friends and family home to like different schools. A thousand percent.

Who are dancing. Yeah. So that's much love. But this was fun. It was fun. Before we head out of here, we just want to say thank you to everyone who made this possible. Mosey Marriott. Mm-hmm.

And the fans. Legends. We didn't even talk about the fans showing up in Phoenix. Oh, yeah. That was dope. Huge shout out to them, too. That was a fun deal. Yeah, our first live pod.

Yeah, yeah. I know. So many great memories. The crew behind this camera that you're looking at right now? Honestly, yeah. A bunch of legends. The 2006 tournament is over, but we are not done yet. Mary Bomboy is giving away another pair of tickets.

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