Shutdown Fullcast - 2025 NFL Draft Recap feat. Joel Anderson

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Spencer and Jason welcome Joel Anderson for a discussion of this year’s biggest NFL draft surprises, and also all the theme parks they have been to where people have died. Fullcast theme song arranged and performed by Corey Cunningham Check out Surber’s band, Killer Antz: https://linktr.ee/killerantz Sign up for update's about Ryan's secret new project at falconscottproductions.com Check out Jason's free CFB Watch Grid newsletter and other work: https://www.jasonkirk.fyi/ DID YOU KNOW: Holly and Spencer write a year-round newsletter, featuring football and also unfootball things, at https://channel-6.ghost.io/

I think you'd be the person that they would tell to be quiet on the train. They'd be like, can you start? It's a problem. You're having to. Spencer's leaning out the window going, Chee, cheer. Just listening to too many awesome TikToks with the volume up and no headphones.

That's me. Yeah. We're going to make this an adventure. I think you got home training, but I think the laughing would probably, that's what it would be. It's just like the response to the TikTok. I laugh at one volume.

And they would inevitably be like, please, can Rathgar the barbarian over there, please tone down the chuckling for just a moment. Hey, out of the four of us, I know, am I going to be the only person that's ever been kicked out of a library for being too loud? Let's see. Have I been kicked out of a library once for being too loud? Yeah.

Okay. And it was. I've been kicked out of various things, but not a library. Jason, what were you kicked out of? I mean I was an unruly church kid so I was getting kicked out of shit left and right but man they kick you out I see they I see you know what I've never actually seen a church remove somebody for loudness of bad but that's it's a real testament to their tolerance there you were that bad huh it was more just like we were um there was so much entertainment going on you know but it was like more of a megachurch environment where it was like we were spoiled so so they really just kind of told you that's too much they didn't say you have to leave the premises. They were just like, you're being too much. Uh, no, I've, I mean,

I think I told the story on here. We were literally kicked out of like a lock-in at one point. It was like 4 a.m. They were like, get the fuck out. Wow. Get the heck out. The Lord's, wow. And when they were just like, roam in the streets, hey, we're, youth pastor's wife told us to explore the neighborhood. The Lord's light can find you here too. It's fine. Yeah, man, that's right. That's right. right we're spreading the good word at 5 a.m. at this quick stop yeah take two streets man that's right we're stealing cigarettes i can't think of any group any age group less equipped to find the proper place at four or five in the morning than a bunch of like 14 and 15 year olds because it's always the

same shit it's always like oh we found a convenient store we found our sickest parking lot parking lot yeah great parking lot convenience stores we saw a cool car now we're standing by it is it yours no did you find a cool bar no we couldn't get in we were near it though it was sick we saw people older than us poisoning themselves they have to go to work tomorrow we were we were like hey let's try the thing where we pay somebody to buy his beer and the older person is like no yeah that was so badass when we tried to do that we attempted so much badass shit we thought about crime today boys um joel i wanted to ask you about one one post i saw of yours that you're now concerned now i will tell you this is podcasting a visual medium and i can see that you look very together

um from one friend to another you're aging beautifully you're holding up thank um but i do have this you posted about how you had seen a catalog and you said that you were saddened because you were no longer the handsome young man yeah yeah it is i was i felt really about i was like damn i'll never i'll never be able to access that again it was really it really moved me i was like fuck man i didn't got old like i'm just nobody will ever look at me and be like i got young guys you know got it together you come into the room sometimes you feel kind of you want the room to respond to you in a certain way. And that had happened to me, you know, not all the time, but sometimes. But now I'm just like, oh, man, for a lot of these people, I might as well be

furniture. You know what I mean? Like, do you think a, a 22-year-old person of any, any gender, whatever, you know, orientation would look just, they would look past me, you know, to whatever is behind me? They would look through me. That's, I don't think that's true. I don't. I don't. I do. I do. I don't, I mean, the guy that I saw was really handsome. I was like, fuck, man, that guy is like, I was like, this, you know, he's, like, I'm like, I'm trying to wear clothes like this guy. I'm like, what's the point? Like, I mean, it's not, it's like, what the fuck is that? Was he wearing a caliber uniform? Like, what was it? He was wearing an ASO shirt, actually. So, yeah, you know, because I'm trying to get dressed for this fucking thing in New York. I don't wear clothes, you know, I wear a T-shirt. Well, you're in, right now, you're in the dress. like full disclosure joel has two young children young kids is this the trenches so you so you

can't admit to this is no jason okay what what are the what are the ages three and seven months yeah yeah that's the thick of it yeah that's her done right there yeah yeah you just like every day you're just like fuck man like i just got to do this all over again like there's no nobody's coming to save you yeah like once they both hit like four then you're then you got the the the terrain gets much much, much smoother. See, right now you're in the trenches. Once you hit four, they're mobile and can kind of take order. So you're really more in a guerrilla warfare kind of thing.

You're just trying to keep them below the radar, right? You're like, shh, the cops will find us. Oh, yeah. Like, that's everything after four. Right now, you should have that like doughboy helmet and a little whistle, right? Like, over the top lots. Like, that's where you're at. All you're hoping for.

Yeah, that's it, Christmas troops. We're going to play soccer once a year and other. Otherwise, the handshake, the handshake meme is, is you on one side and a British soldier on the other. And it's like clean socks. That's really all you're concerned about right now is clean socks in life. Oh, my God. Changing diapers. Mustard gas.

It's all the same. That's, yeah, you are, you are firmly in the trenches. And I would say, man, you got a job. You're holding it up. You got two kids. That's some, there you go. That's awesome. You know what I did.

And you know what I did to add more. I moved across the country to make it, you know, to throw that in, you know, to just like, all right, well, you know what? Like, it's already hard. Like, what would make this harder? What's a little more? Yeah, what's a little more? It's not that big a deal, right?

I remember going to people's houses after they had moved into a place. And I'd be like, man, what the fuck? Why? I got boxes still around. You've been in here three weeks. Like, why used to have boxes around? What are you lazy motherfuckers? I'm like, oh, that's right.

Nobody watches the kids while you're supposed to. Like, who's supposed to? they're not going to help me place a lamp somewhere. To the contrary. Yeah. We, we, well, they'll place it. It'll be in the yard. But yeah, we moved into this house when our kid was, I don't know, like two or three.

And there's like, there's just still shit packed up that it's like, we'll unpack it whenever we move next. It's just staying there. Oh, man. I just, we have a screened in patio and I would want to use it. But I was just like, what the fuck? I mean, when am I supposed to do with all this shit, man? And I can't, then nobody's going to give me the opportunity to do it. So, yeah, it's, but you know, hey, man, at least we live in a less walkable neighborhood.

Yeah, that's nice. That's pretty nice. Yeah. I do have that going on for it. You move to the real country. That's right. You got to drive somewhere. Get to show off your wheels.

Moving at that age, though, for little kids is awesome because they're like, my crib's over here now. Yay. Like, that's it. Oh. They don't miss a beat, right? Oh, yeah. He's just like, have you seen my new room? You know, so have you seen my new house? You know, he has a, I gave him a basketball goal. I put a little Nerf goal in his in his room. So he's happy about that. So he's, he's, he's vibing, man. He's loving it.

Yeah, little kids, this is the greatest thing about little kids is realizing there's an entire parallel universe that, that they're experiencing that you aren't. Like, when you go to a theme part, what you see is this. You see large holes that you throw money into. You see shit. and you see like hot weather and assholes. That's what you see when you go to a theme park. Meanwhile, the little kid is on a journey. They're on an Odyssey. They're like, oh my God, I'm going to Mars today.

They're so, they've never like, what is that thing that spins around and around? Like, what is that shit? Yeah, man. I was hoping that you could somehow convince kids that that sucks and it's not worth going. anti theme park propaganda Disney world's not cool you don't need like we've got a parking lot right here bro like you don't need after nine hours at the theme park it's like you're like oh doesn't this suck isn't this miserable can we do it again

like I'm having a nervous breakdown like the only way to fully convince the kids that theme park suck is to become the monster of a human being you swore you'd never be as a parent you know and they're like oh my dad's miserable he's so on happy life is mourn him down. I'm like, that's only true at Disney World. I mean, man, I went to Disney World once as a 10 year old and I thought that shit sucked and I know my parents were so relieved. Like, I know they were just, thank God. This is great. I was like, this isn't better than Astroil. What the fuck are we doing out here, bro? Yeah. It's hot out here. We only have to do this once. Oh my God. Yeah, as a kid though, like, I love the more bootleg places.

is that was actually like the more bootleg of spot was, the better I liked it theme park-wise? Oh, like a carnival almost, right? Well, shit. I mean, even Six Flags, Joel, I don't know how far away you were from Six Flags. Well, so Astro World was a Six Flags park, but are you talking about the one in Arlington, though.

I guess any of them around there. Well, you know, Joel's from Texas. They got two theme parks. The one here, or Texas. We got, which counts? a big theme park you want we're surrounded on all sides i just know here in atlanta the six flags was like shit's falling apart somebody died oh and like it was just

falling apart disaster in my whole childhood which we thought was pretty awesome i gotta tell you my dad who was so finally honed at the time that when the fatality happened at six flags i immediately started looking for tickets it's like price is going to come down i mean yeah it was like like our moms drop us off for 12 hours of six flags it's like we're beeline the one that kills you. That's got to be the best one. Somebody died here. This thing rocks.

We're on the haunted the Georgia Cyclone. That's the one that kills you. No lines at this ride. Yeah, man. That's the best part is that when we went afterwards, it was still closed, but there were people still milling around like, can we do it?

Can we ride it? Yeah. Come on, man. You know you want to let me in. I'm willing to die for my own amusement. Well, I'm willing to die for $14 souvenir cup slushy. I'm the one who can tame it. You can trust me.

Smith, have you ever been to Chasco Fiesta? No, I don't know what it is, but it sounds awesome already. Oh, you haven't? No, I haven't. Okay, I just figured, Chasco Fiesta's annual carnival in, is it Newport Ritchie or is it Port Ritchie? No, they were both available in Pascoe County and northern Penelago. so yeah yeah so it was it's i don't know i think it falls around you know like general

marty gras theme or whatever and uh the only reason i'd heard of it was because i had to go there because somebody got killed there in the parking lot and uh but i went back the next day and people when they showed they were it they still had a mechanism must flow sorry you had a bad time sir That doesn't mean I got a not party Listen Most people didn't die So the mortality rate ticked up a tenth of a percent Shouldn't have been talking shit, man

Right off of Highway 19 It was great Chasco Yeah, all right, well, there we go This is where we're going to summer kids Have a book of the trip yet But you know, that seems pretty good You know, let me see

Is that still? Yeah, Chasco Fiesta Festival Newport Richie. All right. Still going. It's just blocks away from where I attended high school. Yeah, man. Oh, shit.

Oh, man. Wow. It was March 28th through April 5th, man. They just stopped. We were like a almost three years late. I guess we know what Spencer's doing for his 50th reunion. I think if we show up with $40, that thing's open again. I'm confused about this.

Do you all know who this group is? The Black Honkies? Sorry. Nope. Okay. We are not white enough. He's not white enough or not black enough. I don't know which direction.

Man, they do have a few words. The honkeys makes me. This is very confusing. Get ready to dance in Idaho with the black honkeys. Tampa Bay's ultimate soul fucking macro band. Okay. So if they're Tampa Bay's ultimate fun band, I'm going with white. I'm hearing they're attempting everything at once.

It sounds like a band that will play a song for a beer, which I admire. that's great i had at one point i had a cousin whose job this is the most tampa bay human being ever born he was in a blues band that played exclusively at casinos and barbecue joints oh shut up he was a dealer at seminal bingo like yeah and he was a libertarian like all three oh yeah no more saturday a lot going on there Welcome to the shut down full cast. You are listening to the internet's only college football podcast. I am Benzer Hall, joined by Jason Kirk, Michael Serber. And special guest from the ringer.com, writer and host of the press box podcast, Joel

Missouri City Anderson. How are we doing, sir? I'm so glad you all had me. I don't think I've been here since the debacle that was the National Championship game, the TCU kind of lucked their way in, too. So thank you for having me back. And since I brought it up at the top, we don't ever have to talk about it again. I don't even

remember it. Wasn't that the year TCU? That was, and the season ended, they ended up number two in the country. It was great.

What a great season. It was really proud of legendary. Just continuing to do great work, TCU. We will glide past everything else between now and then.

But yes. All I know about TCU was that there was once a fine young running back prospect for them who. Once a just absolutely stacked running back room.

511 194 pounds. Yeah. It's pretty stacked, man. 4.49 at the Nike Combine in Houston. See? That's a real, that was a real time, man. I'm not making that shit out. And this is not your most, most prestigious speed accomplishment, as I understand. There is even an even more impressive mark. Do you want me to? No, I'll, lay it out for the folks. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, of course, you know,

I was the fastest 10-year-old in the country in 1988. And there, beyond, say was fanning herself as that was five that was seven years later and then that next spring private school champion 100 meter dash yeah I don't talk about that a lot but it's it's part of the resume it's probably because it took downgrads it when you say private school like something's like some things like judge it up when you go private school you're like you know private school law school candidate you're like ooh that there's fancy if the private school 100 meter Joel I know I couldn't have I couldn't have like held on to anyone's bumper there but I'm just saying it's a notch down from like the public school well i mean i will say so yeah i mean i was like

a and for people that know the hundred i was like a 10-8 or 10-9 guy which is hilarious to me because i would be getting embarrassed and tracked this year like these years like i would i would gotten embarrassed if i'd had to run it like the official texas five-a state championship meet but like especially now i would be getting my ass kick so bad so out of this it's a lesser known honor it's more like all district like because we was like you know It's like 10 schools in this, in this division. But, you know, I mean, it's, it counts. I have got the, you know, the trophies and everything else in the ribbon.

So, you know, my mom has them. So it counts. I think it's very important for journalists covering sports in any, like, in any degree to know specifically where they would be on the spectrum of speed and how far out true mutants are. Like, I think that's, oh, a running theme. Like, you got to know how slow you actually are and how fast they have. actually are. Can I, so the first day I went to Bristol, because I used to work at ESPN, like a lot of people who used to, a lot of people used to work there, and I was one of them. And my first day of Bristol, I run into Joey Galloway and Desmond Howard having lunch together

outside of the cafe. And I remember thinking, I was like, man, this is one of the first times in my life that, like, usually when I go to work and I size up everybody, I'm like, I could probably beat everybody ass in here. I could probably outrun everybody. Like, I used to do this, you know, tilt through my mid-30s and I'll never forget I wouldn't I was like oh man like this is this is just the start like Randy Moss works at ESPN you know I probably like I don't they would even get selected for the ESPN four by 100 relay you know no yeah like so that was kind of humbling it is I think that's one great thing about like the boom and lifting weights is that that you have an understanding of how strong people are like you can actually go oh man it was really a big deal

when I bench 225 and you go let me introduce you to a gentleman name Larry Allen yeah let me Introduce you, Stephen Pai, who, uh, capable of bench pressing 225 pounds until he gets bored, not tired. He's like, I'm going to set it down now. I've proved my point. Yeah. Yeah. That's Larry Allen, just the 225 going, what do you want me to do with this? I got to put it down eventually, not because I'm tired, but because I got a, I got a dental appointment. How much tape do you have? You know, it's like, how long are going to be recording this? Yeah, but this isn't digital. I know you've got a finite amount of tape. I'll stop when I hear a click. you are here today because we were texting and I'm like we should just talk about this because I read about it today and I don't think there's any end to the desire to talk about this because God I love talking about people fucking things up and man

Shadur Sanders absolutely fucked up the NFL draft like he fucked up everything about it I've never seen anybody with more talent blow more money on on nothing an absolute bullshit than I did in the draft. This is a college football podcast ostensibly, but I am astonished when sometimes we kind of, these talents are handed off from this sport to the next. And what happens to them, what happens to them is sometimes baffling,

and then sometimes it's this. Yeah, yeah. You know, so I feel really bad for Shador. You know, so do you all remember the rapper of cannabis? Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, like, I was a huge cannabis fan, you know, and I listened to all his mixtapes and everything. And then his album dropped and it fucking sucked. It was terrible. And it's like, people were like, man, what happened there? We didn't know a lot about the talent

at that point. You were just like, well, he can wrap his ass off. And then later he was just like, well, I thought Wycliffe knew what he was doing, you know? And I felt like that's the Shedura story. Like, he was like, oh, I thought my dad knew what he was talking about. But actually, like, he does not. And he took really, really, really bad advice, I think. So, Shadur's college career was battling L.O. Cool J to a long haul. Yeah, right. Second round knockout. And yeah. Yeah, I just, I think to me that is the thing here. Like, I mean, Shadur is a grown man. You know, he is responsible for his own behavior. You know, he's worldly.

He's like more worldly than most 21, 22 year olds. But But if your dad, one of the greatest players in the history of the NFL, somebody who's connected out the wazoo, you know, all throughout the league, and he's telling you, hey, look, this is how you should do it, this is how we're going to play it, and I'm representing you. It makes sense that you'd follow that guy, right? Like, it probably, like, your dad has brought you to the cusp of your goal. So, like, why would you stop trusting his advice at that point, right? I mean, yeah, I get it. I think I'm just astonished at how much that didn't work because I would think, and maybe this is, maybe I overestimate everybody's information sphere. Maybe because a lot of the time I trust people to be knowledgeable strictly because of what they have done, not because of what they are.

And maybe after having his head in the college game for what, at this point, four years, five years, Dionne Sanders doesn't know as much. about the like it doesn't take long to lose that kind of knowledge and it doesn't take long to lose those kind of relationships you know it doesn't like maybe he like maybe they didn't and i think this is what happened at least what i wrote about was that like they didn't get nobody told them nobody got the good information on them nobody got good information from them um and that's how this kind of like complete disaster happens yeah i mean I mean, also, so you're right. Like, they got the wrong information.

I think so there's a couple of things. One, they overplayed their hand. Like, they thought, they thought more of Shador. And that's really tough because you need to really, one thing athletes tend to have is like a sort of a good conception of who they are, right? Like, sometimes you get like a Deshawn Stevenson or a Lance, or Lance Stevenson, maybe your last name is Stevenson. And you don't have a real good conception of where you are and what your role should be.

But usually they kind of know. And it seems like they really believed those mock drafts from the fall before, right? Yeah. Like they were like, oh, yeah, like, I'm a top, I'm a top five guy. And I mean, you've got Dion tweeting it. He's going to go top five. So, yeah, you're right. Like, he didn't have necessarily that information.

And also, like, who's less qualified to tell you how to be a good employee? Or a good job candidate than Dion. Has Dion ever showed up anywhere and had to impress somebody? Yeah. Like, what was the last time Dion had to go into a room and people weren't like, oh, man, that's fucking Dion Sanders, bro. Like, do you want some shrimp? You know, normally, it's like, oh, man, like, Dion coming here.

It's not like, okay, let me, you should do it. Like when you go in, this is how we're going to do the board, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like, he doesn't know anything about any of that shit. I mean, to me, I look at Chodor and the two people, as far as, as we know, closest to him in terms of, you know, this process are Dion, who literally walked in NFL draft rooms and said, oh, you're picking sixth, I ain't even talking to you. It's not worth my time. And he was right. And Travis Hunter, who the Jags paid a quarterback's worth of resources for, and everyone's like, yeah, sure. And, like, Sjutor sees that. And it, you know, he's just a,

ultimately, you look back his career, and it's like, okay, above average big 12 quarterback. Been a lot of those, you know. Case Keenum. There's been a ton of those. There's been a ton of those guys. You put up big numbers and then you look at how they play and there's just huge, huge holes in their game. But from his perspective, doing, you know, following his dad's path has worked out great so far. Why would it stop? And then, you know, the reporting emerges. Diana Rustini said he was treating, like, his meetings with NFL teams, like recruiting trips, you know? And like, Shiloh Sanders is publicly saying, like, yeah, I fired my dad as agent. We had to get a real one. This ain't working out too good.

um which that was the moment i was like welcome to the family drew rosenhouse yeah at that moment i was like for once i'm so glad this family is unbelievably online at all moments and tells us all their thoughts but yeah i mean it's just the wild thing to me is like all these um mock draft folks a lot of them are super connected you know like a lot of them aren't just making up what they think a lot of them are very connected what teams think so i mean there's got to be a lot of gms who we're like Yeah, we like him. We think he could be a starter, but we don't want to put up with the Sanders stuff.

Yeah, I think we're well past the point, actually, where you can go, oh, yeah, man, mock draft guys are all nerds. You're like, yeah, they're all nerds who know other nerds who run franchises. Like, that's why Shadur Sandrick got picked where he was because that's actually outstanding value for what he is.

That's why they pulled the trigger on two quarterbacks because why the hell not? Your fifth round pick is guesswork. Why not throw it at a guy who probably should be a second or third round? Right. And also, you know, it's kind of weird because you're right. Like, mock drafts have gotten a lot better, the people that tend to do them.

Although there are more mock drafts than ever before. So that sort of floods the market because not everybody is Todd McShay or Mel Kuiper, whoever, right? Like some of these guys are just guys who are putting their mock drafts out there and it kind of dirties the pool. But I was thinking up until recently, and I mean, it still happens sporadically. The quarterback that falls in the draft, like much further than you thought was sort of a regular event. right like i just i'm so remember spencer rattler like going into 2021 that dude was supposed to have been a first round pick about 2024 he's a fifth round pick remember matt barkley mckley coming out of high school everybody was like that guy's going to be the number one pick

whenever he comes out and then he was the top of the mock drafts in 2012 yeah and he was a fourth round pick i mean Quinn ewers like yeah highest rated quarterback recruit ever and goes in the seventh yeah yeah i mean the jimmy clausins ryan malcolm like all those guys were always they were immediate mock draft darlings and then when you know people finally got a chance to watch tape they had to go through the process and people have to find out do I want to work with this guy or not like do I want this guy to be the face of my franchise and so not all that happens then they they tumble down the boards and so yeah I mean I guess maybe this is a time for I mean I don't want to be a reckoning of fucking mock drafts

I love mock drafts I wish sporting news would put out more of that you remember the little mock the little draft preview that they were put out in via news newsstands yeah I want them to do that again I want that back but um it's just possible that this is a throwback to one of those falls and people are just tuned in because this guy uh was so delusional like I mean most usually guys don't say oh I'm not doing that shit man I'm about to be a top five pick you know

so it's usually we miss that but this might be you know the everything happened all at once you know famous guy Dion you know Dion's involved bad intel on both sides and here we are yeah I mean I think it you know to some extent quarterbacks in general are an anomaly here just because like teams are so hyper fixated on do we like their personality which to some extent you have to be you know um and like we mentioned there's a bunch of these can't miss dudes who miss um but like if teams decided Jeremiah Smith is an asshole

and I'm certainly not saying he is but if they were to decide that they would say I don't give a shit he's playing receiver go get 20 touchdowns a year say whatever you want who cares but quarterback you can't have that you know what's the limit on things Jeremiah Smith could do where you would get away with

yeah like I will tell you this I would not let him shoot someone in the room and get away with it but he could put the pistol on the table and I'd go listen I'm listening If I am a head coach, I will say, Jeremiah, you come here, you're allowed to shoot me once a year. In the leg. In the leg. If he puts the gun down in the room, so presumably somebody is antagonizing him, then I deal with that person. I was like, hey, man, why are you bothering our guests? Jeremiah, once per year, I will fight someone on your behalf. Jeremiah, I'm sorry, is Mr. Jones bothering you? The Cowboys organization can't tolerate that. Beating the show of Jerry Jones. Yeah. I love it. That's fight. It's worth it.

Evanelli, you could fight Mike Rable. That's the thing you can do. He'd love a challenge. Yeah. I mean, like Will Campbell beat the shit out of him in the room. I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. We just knocked the shit out of him.

And Brabel's like, I'm in love. Yeah. Let's do it. Percy Harvin, man. I mean, you guys know a dude that'll fight a coach, man. I mean, I mean, who do you want to line it up more within the guy like that? You know what I mean? I mean, the question is never did he get in a fight?

It's, tell me about the fight. Who was it right? what was it over and who was hurt them or the other guy I'm just being practical the little guy or the not so little guy I love to by the way that when you look back and like Beau I listen to Beau's segment on this and it's really good it was talking about how how the dynamic that a lot of people

might want to put on this of Chador being a very confident it's one word for it you know outspokenly confident young black kid going up against the you know big structurally racist NFL um he had a great thing about how this wasn't true um or how he didn't think it was true um and i think there's probably an element of that to that but also like i like i don't know man like from what i heard and it sucks because we have to go okay this isn't my story but but from what i heard fucked up on a transcendent level like on a level where you're just like, you couldn't act that way in any room.

Or that's so wrongheaded that like nothing would excuse it. Absolutely nothing. Like I've heard of bizarre answers to draft questions. I haven't heard of some of the stuff that I got. Like it was it was borderline Kenny. No, not even border. It was Kenny Power shit. Man.

Yeah. Like Kenny Powers like like like yeah. So when I get there. What? you know we'll fire the gym he developed the same low country accent and everything yeah can can i even i mean like so as we know cam ward was like you know yo war moon was legit you know i mean he's that kind of confident guy you do you i don't even think cam ward would have done shit like that no that we're hearing about right well all right so i mean i think cam was joking the

warren stuff you know he was it was it was in the room when he said that stuff yeah like Did you watch the video of Cam and Shador interacting at a workout? Oh, yeah. It's hilarious. Right. When they talk shit, everything Cam says is factual. Oh, yeah. He has, like, old man, like, shit talk, and that he's, like, siding stats.

And he's like, yeah, those are all screens and checkdowns. And Cam's like, I'm not completion percent. It would be 90% if it was old screens and checkdowns. And I'd be sacked 75,000 times. Yeah. Or he's like, well, you had an all-pro offensive line. I was like, not an incarnate word. He did not have that an incarnate word.

Like, I know that he's regarding him as a peer by doing that kind of shit talking. But at the same time, I know Cam Ward in his head is thinking, I was that wazoo. Oh, bro. Yeah. I put up numbers like everywhere. It doesn't make a difference. Like nobody, I didn't have Travis Hunter, you know? Yeah.

To ease it in. And that's the thing. Like, so Cam and Shadour work out with the same quarterback. coach from Houston, a guy named Darrell Colbert. He used to be an SMU quarterback a little bit. And so it's funny you brought that up because there are a lot of videos of them working out together and Cam is always getting in his shit, man. He's just like, man, you're not even taking these reps seriously, man. You know, he's going over and on and on. And I mean, it would be real easy for Shador to, in the course of these workouts, they're always together. Their names have

always been put together to confuse himself and think, oh, yeah, I'm Cam Ward. I'm at least as good as this guy. Like, I work out with him. Everybody thinks of me in kind of the same way. Like, you could, you could see how the delusion could start to take shape, right? And so I also wondered if that was a piece of it. It's just like, yo, like, oh, I look at Cam. I mean, again, this is not game action.

They're just rolling out, throwing passes on the field in shorts. And he probably was like, I could do that. Like, that's not a big deal. And he also thinks that his intangibles can cover for the lack of physical talent. But, no, man. No, bro. And that's, I mean, that's, again, I don't, he's a, he's a man. You know what I mean?

So, like, it's, it's incumbent on him to know these things. But I also just think that, like, he's lived a really charmed. Imagine how cool it must be to play for your dad, the whole, your whole career and just kind of, like, grease the skids for you. I got the spot here for you, bro. I could get the everything for you. Like, he doesn't know anything about having to do what Cam had to do to get where he got. Yeah. I mean, I've thought a bunch about how, like, Shador at this point is like, all right.

he's responsible for everything that happens going forward and also i mean there is a downside to being born a very rich kid you know um and a downside to having your very famous father um completely invested in your success you know and it's not the shooter didn't work hard it's not that he's you know it's a really good player really good player um should have been a first round pick but like i mean i I have to sympathize with what he has to deal with now that he's just some dude in the Brown's quarterback room, right? Like, in a very crowded quarterback room. I don't mean anyone there is great.

It's just crowded. It's literally a crowd. There's a lot of people in there. Including one drafted around before him. I saw the number of people in that room and I thought, I hope it's ventilated. There's too many people in there. It's going to smell crazy in there. I just mean, like, the number of people I've talked to in the past few days, you know, like,

completely casual family members who now know who Shooter Sanders is, he is one of the 20 most famous football players, period. Like, he is going to have not quite a Tim Tebow level of fascination, but people are going to tune in to watch the fourth quarter of Cleveland Brown's preseason games. It's going to be like 2023 Colorado versus bum-ass Colorado State all over again.

You know, we're like way too many people are watching this shit. And like, that's a crazy level of pressure on the ab sixth string Cleveland Browns quarterback. I mean, this shit's going to be fascinating through September, if he makes a team longer. I mean, the thing is, though, man, it's like, yeah. I mean, so he has played under a lot of people. I mean, again, people have been wanting them to lose since, what, the fourth game of the 2023 season? Like, maybe there's like around then, yeah, like around that point, they're like, okay, enough of this shit. The one thing I would say about that quarterback room is that I don't see

nobody in there that he's not necessarily better than you know what I mean so the first he's got the talent the thing I thought when I saw it was if you have six quarterbacks you got none like I think you got two at that point yeah yeah except good I would we we talked about this fence and I was just like at first I was not morose but I was like man Dion ruined this kid's career I was just like I mean I mean to be clear that's possible like that's on that like if we entertain the notion that this could all work out and we might be looking at the greatest fifth round pick of all time that's possible you could also be looking at this might be over oh yeah i mean because it's just totally different when you're drafted in the first round and everybody is like okay we're going to allow

you to fail like we've got to get you out there we're going to let you see you let you play now it's just like all right man like it doesn't make a difference who else that's out there on the field with you you've got you got to you got to play with the backups um and you've got to should do is not so talented that I look at him and I'm like, well, he's going to overwhelm people once he gets into these roles. But I mean, God damn, man, Joe Flacko, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel. I mean, I'm not even trying to be disrespectful to Dylan Gabriel because he's a very good college quarterback, but like, I don't. Find a quarterback with more college experience than Dylan Gabriel. Find a more college

quarterback, yeah. Yeah, more. Yes, yes. And I'm just like, well, he could, I mean, he could theoretically outplay that guy. But again, like, it's not a given. And it didn't have to be this way like he could have gotten drafted in the first round and you know he would have not had to necessarily compete like it would have been his job eventually but now we'll you know he's going to have to produce and show something whereas before he could have played and it that wasn't necessarily the case yeah i mean like if this whole thing worked out how it probably should of he goes number three to the giants or whoever and there's an entire plan all around him you know and now it's well what can you do in preseason behind the brown's last string off

line. But you want to be someone's problem, right? Like you want, that's a good word. Yeah, like the, the ideal position for a first round or a second round pick is, is that of a debtor, right? Like, if you owe the bank $200, then it's your problem. But if you owe the bank $200 million, it's our problem, right? You want a position where if you fail, somebody else gets fired. Right. Exactly. You want a sweaty GM two in the morning to be like, how we got to make it work with to our teeth. How do we make us job easier for him? Or we're all getting axed. I've got to check some wild rumors to Shepter to get people off my ass. Oh, my God. Holly has joined us. Hi, Holly.

Hi, what are we talking about? You've gone multi-Anderson. Yeah. You replaced me with a superior Anderson. No way, not at all. False. False. Not even close. False. I won't put you above my kids, but I'm, I definitely rank lower on the Anderson scale, I promise. A second one's pretty cute. First one also cute. Yeah. I mean, you know, the second one's younger. It's okay, she got the baby on it.

I think we can agree. They're both killing you slowly, which is exactly what kids are supposed to do. A friend of mine looked at my pictures today, because, you know, this is my anniversary. And so, of course, I'm spending it talking to my college football with my friends. But he was like, look at how young you looked in 2017. Like, what happened? This is, we have started to age, like, president's age. through the last two administrations,

and I don't think that's a coincidence. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just interpersonally is tough and everything outside of it is tough. Nobody's catching any breaks in the world right now. No. Not even Jeff Bezos, which is, I mean, kind of cool, you know what I mean?

I'm fine, but it's just like, like even if that guy's having a rough year, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, all right, well, I guess we're all in it together. I like that you can still be the world's, like, second richest man. And if there's a video of you eating shit, stumbling over something on the internet we're all like

I mean Elon's getting bullied off his own Twitch streams and shit like everybody everybody elves will find you you cannot hide from ELs let's just zoom out and appreciate

that you can be in your own private jet boot up your favorite video game to hang with your friends a game you pretend to have played before yeah presumably Not with your friends. Presumably to relax and receive the adoration of the world. And a bunch of children.

A bunch of children. A bunch of children. Yeah. You'll be like, kill yourself. Grimes. The children have my associates. My associates. You just travel back 20 years and be like,

this is what the future will be. It's preteens telling the world's richest man to kill. himself on a video game stream and he'll do it he'll cry and he'll close his computer you know that but that bother me look at it bother me i know it bothers it bothers the shit out of him i don't like people saying are you surprised on twitter like i get unnerved by that like it bothers so imagine if somebody people were really like you should kill yourself or you like you lame ass you know you've never played this game or you know your kids don't even like you i mean just imagine just hearing that shit over and over again. It doesn't make me feel sorry for him, but it makes me think,

I probably couldn't hold up well under that either. I don't think I'm enough of a gamer because I desperately need a platform where it's okay for me to tell people to kill themselves. Well, apparently, I'm the problem if I do it on the existing platform. I mean, just follow Elon's stream. Yeah, you can hop right in. Say whatever you want in there. Is that like a game you can get on PlayStation or like, I'm so far. He was put, I think it was a PC game. It was a PC game, yeah. A PC game, man. And he was dying. See, I'm being gate kept from encouraging richest Americans to off themselves.

I mean, the problem is, the problem is him. He's scared to wade into the console waters because he's a big coward. Yeah. Oh, 100%. That's also how I know he's not getting any ass right now. He's playing PC games. If he was actually, if he was getting some, he'd be a console gamer. No, console gamers.

No how to party. Yeah, man. I'm going to put this shit down real quick. Yeah. I didn't get my pizza right on top of this. The laptop is off the lap. If you got a switch to already, yeah, man. I, the last time I played video games, literally, I remember it.

It was Vince Young was on the cover of Madden. So this is 2007. And I was simulating a game. And I had a girl that come over at the time ended up being my girlfriend. And I turned that shit off because she was like, what is this? What is this? What is this? What are you doing?

Are you watching video football? And I was like, oh, is that weird? I didn't know. Like, I thought. And you put it like that. I was like, oh, and I never played video games again. She sat down and you said, now what offense are you running with Vince?

Let me explain to you why I'm using the Titans, okay? Listen, I always play the Titans because they had Steve McNair. So I totally did that. RIP, man. Yeah, well, this was the Vince Young era. I think he was much better on video games. I think so. Yeah, I mean, he was in real life.

A mobile quarterback, when you're controlling him, it doesn't matter who they are. It's a key to life. Yeah. Also, there was no, you couldn't play as Jeff Fisher and select X for emotionally bully. That wasn't an option. See? I could thrive.

You're going eight and eight. If you're role playing as Jeff Fisher. I'm time traveling back to change Madden Coates since you can only go eight and eight with any Jeff Fisher team. That's not the kind of role playing I want to do with Jeff Fisher. Whoa. I'm sorry. I knew we'd get there. I knew we'd get there.

He's a handsome guy. I mean, I'm not fair to this. What are you guys talking about? Talking about how bad Shadur fucked up the draft, man. Yeah, man, okay. Now I'm just diving in because I'm sure y'all have said this already. But the thing that

I feel like it's like 50% his own fuck up and 50% he listened to his dad. Yeah. Who was himself fucking up? like this this feels like a team effort but can i tell you what tickles me about this draft is you know usually there's when we're talking about a great slide and for some reason the one that pops in my head i know there have been others is brady quinn right cameras on him he's slumping lower and lower down in his chair and in most if not all previous uh draft disaster scenarios i feel like there was a number in my like there was a there was a there was a

a position in the draft where it's like, okay, end of the second, this guy's in trouble. End of the second. That team's in trouble. And instead of a position, this instead became a person, which was still in Gabriel. Like he became the little Karen that you leave for hikers where it's like cliff ahead, dangerous. It was like, this is out. It is kind of funny too, because, yeah, it's like, everybody on the job. drafted like well this is you know look I mean who obviously he wasn't rated highly

on a lot of boards whatever and then it's like Dylan Gabriel shows up being like oh this might be racist I don't know yeah that's not you've gone too far past the Gabriel threshold yeah it's like once you draft a 511 quarterback eyebrows were raised see what's going on here guy this is where so like you need some you need to have a friend who's one of the kids and NFL wise I always look to Charles McDonald for guidance on what the younger generation is thinking. And Charles McDonald, when that happened on the live stream at Yahoo, he just did him double over. Yeah, he doubled over.

And that's when he hit, that's when he crossed the Rubicon of, that's crazy, man. Like, when something really fucked up happens, the kids go like, oh, man, that's crazy, man. And when Dylan Gabriel gets drafted before you, you're like, oh, now this is punitive. Now we get the stupid. Yeah, on social media, there's one big, like, all right, all right. This is gone too far. Like we hive-minded our way to making him the landmark of, man, I cannot, I'm finding it difficult to get over that. Although I don't want to rob Dylan Gabriel of agency here.

And there's this idea that I've been kicking around in my head of, well, we're putting this all on, we're putting this all on Dylan and talking about how, you know, there's a special relationship with the Browns, which Jesus Christ, I'm not sure there's a more cursed phrase in the NFL. Colera has a special relationship with the Browns. Listen, I come from a very special place regarding the Haslums and nowhere of I speak. But they're talking about, you know, like, oh, well, if they've got such a special relationship with the Browns, like, why did they, why did they take Shudder Fifth?

Why did they take Tilling Gabriel ahead of him? And I kind of want to just peek through this little whimsical door over here that's like, maybe Dylan Gabriel is an incredible con artist. We don't know. So you're getting, though, a point that I wanted to make. Joel, how many times? Now, you're a TCU fan. How many of the aforementioned Big 12 type quarterbacks, can you recall,

who had a similar statistical profile to Shador, who still got drafted and still, like, got backup money and still got all of this notice just because, like, they attended a couple of meetings, man? Or they ran? Dude, if he gets an attitude adjustment, he could have, you know, my favorite, my favorite job in the NFL is the Jim Sorgie gig. Like, if he turns, if he somehow managed to transform himself into a good hang, like he could have the dream job. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury, man. I mean, he's like generic, you know, productive Big 12 QB who turned that into a lifestyle, man. You know what I mean? Like, you can do it. The one, you could absolutely do it. I guess the

wrinkle there is like, you know, when you draft Chase Daniel. And it's like, this guy is pencil a minute backup quarterback. We are set. We're good there. Great player. Not a lot of fans clamoring for you to put in Chase Daniel. No offense. If Shador is on the bench and the Browns are down by 40 points, as is their custom,

the entire crowd wants Shadur in there. The fifth round quarterback. That is new. That, like, that is, I mean, I, I. I've, for like two years now, the Sanders family drama has felt like, okay, we've had enough fun here. But like, no, nope, this is the new iteration of it. So I have a guy to compare to, which is in 2011, there was a college football quarterback, 4,727 yards passing 37 TDs. All right, a 72% completion percentage.

These are all like at or around what Sanders put up. Got himself a nice spot in the NFL draft. Brandon Whedon. Like, maybe we're just looking to the world. I forgot about Brandon Whedon. Brandon Whedon, who, of course, ended up with the Browns. Like, all the NFL does, all the NFL wants. Brandon is the most in PC.

Have you all ever seen Brandon Whedon without a helmet on? He's the most MPC-looking human I've ever seen in real life. I've seen him with a baseball hat. Like his face looks like a cipher. It looks like it's made to fool AI or something. I'm sorry. He looks like a sim. Who's the Celtics guy that goes playing?

and people one-on-one. Scalbring. He looks like Scalb, man. Yeah, he looks like something in a video game. It's like, I'm busy now, but if you're looking for the market, it's the north. You know, like, that's fine. Welcome, Traeger. That's really what we're talking about in terms of statistical profile.

And really, not that far off physically. Like, he's a little bit taller, but like, Brandon Whedon had zero mobility. Yeah. Six, two, two, 15, two, ten. Yeah, I mean, like, I think the thing is, is like, we need to, go back to last year when people put Shadour at the top of their mock draft and be like even back then like I don't feel like there was enough like what the hell are you doing like what do you make you know why would you put him there which makes him the quarterback that is coming off a four and eight

season it just feels to me like the Dion Vortex makes everything feel impossible to predict um like this past year I was completely out on him I was like all right show's over and then they had a really good It's easy. I think everybody on this show was, and we were just, and I'm not pulling the, like, we were right all along. It was not so much a case of like, I should just speak for myself. It's not so much a case of like, oh, I'm out on this guy. It's just like, I'm not seeing this.

Whatever you guys are seeing, I'm not seeing. And Dominique made a great point on his show a couple weeks ago that when you have a QB that holds on to the ball and the way that Shitter tends to hold onto the ball, that's not something that is an easy, traditional fix. when you get to that next level and just it wasn't so much like a presence of doubt as an absence of certainty

at least for me especially you know when this is especially hard and forgive me again if you guys have already covered this but when you're suiting up next to Travis Hunter the guy who was supposed to and this is not on Travis obviously but the guy who was supposed to rocket boost you

to start him you know Travis is supposed to be there in I'm sure in Dion's organizational structure mind for the purpose of catching passes from Shadur. And Travis, you know, goes out, becomes the best player in the country, becomes you know, the most famous two-way player

we've had in a minute. And also, by all accounts, this is another place where they don't stack up grade in comparison is allegedly just a lovely person, like the birthday remembering guy on the roster. Yeah. Yeah. The, you know, the, the, how's your mom doing such as such,

you know, you can just see it like facilities guys are going to, he's going to be that guy who, like, knows all of, like, the custodian's names in Jacksonville. And that's, you don't want to be a bad hang in an interview anyway, but when your teammate is that guy? Yeah, man. Yeah, I mean, it just, I, um, so, so I heard, I'm trying to remember who it was. I heard say that, you know, Shadur is like a great leader and people want to play for him. And I'm like, well, who else had to, who had the choice?

you know what I mean like if you were yeah if you went to school at that school he better be yes yes coach I think your son is a great leader because Dion coached them in high school too that's right all the way in high school yeah and an uncompetitive private school league too right yeah and so it's like it's all been sort of grease for him and like yeah like when you look at Travis like he bawled out top level of Georgia like he's got everything that you could ever want and it's just kind of weird that Shadour never learned anything from him but why would he I mean, again, why would he ever learn anything from anybody else that's up here? Because he had made it.

Like, right, he, he, you know, became a star in college. He's a celebrity. Like, people were saying he was going to be a top draft pick. So I can understand how he might look at Cam and he might look at Travis and be like, yeah, but I'm right there with them. You know, so it doesn't make a difference. What I do? Like, I've got all the same options that they've got, you know? He had no iron to sharpen his iron, right?

Yes. Yeah. I will also say, man, Shadur, those other receivers did not. not get enough credit through the year for being really, really good. You know, Shepard, Horn, Wester, like, they were monsters when they needed to be. So, like, there were plenty of tools in that particular belt. Do you think, and so a friend of mine who used to be an agent pointed this out today to me, he was just like, do you know, I asked him like, who other, what other quarterbacks have you ever

known that have gone to the process without an agent? And these are the two, I mean, these are the two that he listed, Lamar Jackson and Teddy Bridgewater. What did those guys have in common? They both went much lower than people thought that they were going to go, too. Like, it's just kind of like the arrogance to be like, I don't need people to walk me through this process. And I'm not, you know, it's all worked out for Lamar and it worked out for Teddy.

But those were dudes going into the process, people were like, oh, they should be, you know, top tennis or whatever. And not having an agent, I don't, Evidently, it's important. Like, the NFL, they need an intermediary to talk to, right? They want to have, you know, they want somebody to talk to talk about you when you're not in the room. They want answers. They want to know how to, like, get information about you without having to find you, you know? Like, I don't understand not wanting one in that scenario just because that sounds like, there's so much paperwork. Yeah. Do you want to, do you want to set up, like, I don't want to set up interviews, even if it's for me. Yeah. I don't I like I get I guess why they did it but like not wanting one seems almost like more of a hassle than what I'm like we've got we've got a friend right now who's buying an apartment and in in you know large expensive city and paid for his apartment in cash and did not really realize and this is something I'd never realize until we talked to him that when you're buying an apartment in cash you are responsible when there's no bank involved

you're responsible for the inspections and, and setting up all that other bullshit. Oh, shit. And it kind of feels like the same situation. I mean, like, not having an agent seems like more of a pain in the ass than having one in this scenario. Unless it's Lamar Jackson. I would like to go ahead and state for the record in case she's listening. Oh, no, unless it's Lamar Jackson's mom.

Because that's Lamar Jackson's mother. I more than anything else on earth, do not want to be on the bad side of the gifted and talented athletic representative that is Lamar Jackson's mother. But with Lamar Jackson's mother. But with Lamar. Unless we forget, kids, stepped to Bobby Petrino and said, my son is a quarterback. Did this. I heard he was returning punts at practice.

Don't do that. What? And, I mean, it worked out great for Lamar. He went to a, you know, he went to a good team with a stable franchise. So, like, that's one outcome here, you know. I will say that. Going to the Browns, ain't that? You know, I love my mom.

We all love her mothers. My mom didn't get me signed with the Ravens. There's a butt coming. Like, think about that. You're like, man, Lamar, that's, your, your mom got you in with, like, probably the best run organization of what, the past 25 years consistently. Yeah. That's right.

The thing that I'm still kind of struggling with, like, to comprehend is the degree of, and we're never going to know a lot of what went on behind the scenes, but the degree to which these relationships with these teams must have all turned, Because one little narrative thread that I'm struggling with right now is hearing people say, like, well, you know, oh, like the NFL wanted to, you know, like the NFL wanted to send a message here. I'm like, y'all don't think the NFL would love to have Dion's son be a star? Are you fucking crazy? Like, are you kidding me right now? You don't think they would love to market that shit? like there's no like the individual teams are one thing

but like the league the shield as a whole you can't tell me they didn't want this to happen that's ludicrous I mean he was the best thing for that draft rating I mean as it were too right I remember talking about this before it happened I was like what's better for the draft if he like gets picked at three

or like has a fall and they're like oh yeah definitely a fall right and I mean but we were thinking fall like all right he'll get picked on late Thursday or early Friday. I mean, fall to 21 was as far as anyone thought he would fall. Well, not anyone. Dane Bruegler said out of the first round, to be clear.

Which was also being framed as being to his advantage because, hey, he doesn't have to go to a crummy team. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I mean, now he fell and he has to go to a crummy team. God. It's the worst of both, like, to have gone, to have gone round and round. And, you know, there was that, there was that whole other storyline going into, going into the draft where they only interviewing with certain teams. You're telling me one of those certain teams was

Cleveland. Like that moment when Dylan Gabriel gets picked, and again, we love the college player. Love the athlete. If he succeeds, that's awesome. But when Gabriel gets picked by the Browns, there had to be the Sanders family thinking, oh, thank goodness. Now the Browns won't pick. Yeah, right. We're out of the mix. Surely we don't have to go to Cleveland. Spencer, you were offline and you were doing some other show or something, and you came back And I said, Shudur got drafted. And you said, where? And I said, what is the simultaneous,

likeliest and unluckliest thing to happen here? And you go, oh, the Browns. Yeah, that you did all of this work to avoid being drafted by the Browns and like Barney being thrown out of Mose. They just crept right up behind. Like, hello? Yeah. It's horrifying.

I should state, by the way, the full cast official position, and I believe I have this correct, on all of. of the NFL draft is that we would like to see these people con as much money out of the NFL for as long as possible. Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, especially the rookies, 100%. Like specifically these owners, fleece them for whatever you can get. Bleed the Browns dry. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is why, like, when they're like, oh, man, what a reach for Will Campbell at OTA, at tackle. I'm like, nope, nope, there's no such thing as a reach. He got it. He got it. Good job. I hope he soaks them for a tremendous amount.

out of cash. Yeah. Successful? I, of course, hope he's successful. Did the Panthers, like, reach for Teteroa McMillan? Maybe.

I don't care. That's not my problem. Take David Teper's money. Take all of it. Yeah, I mean, that's only, yeah, you only care about, like, projections and like, oh, they got good value here.

Who gives the shit? You know what I mean? I don't know. Why don't I can be on good value. You're a billionaire. I don't care. I don't care. It sounds backward, right?

Like, they're paying this guy less than he's worth. Oh, well, they should pay him more. You know what I mean? Good value does not benefit me. Yeah, I want you tax on top of that. Like, I want you to pay the, you know, the least affordable price point for every player that you have. We'd be great agents.

We should start an agent. Fuck you. Shut down full bucks. Fuck your team. That's it. Just like Jerry McGuire with a head injury and like a raging cocaine problem. The owners have displayed. enough open hostility towards labor.

It's time to return an equally spirited measure of hostility towards that. That's right. I don't want this help me, help you, help me. Help me. Help me. Yeah. Here's how you are going to impoverish yourself for my benefit. I think that's why Drew Rosenhouse gets like cred.

Because Drew Rosenhouse, for all of his failings, Drew Rosenhouse is the guy that's like, yeah, I've just been arrested. I'm showing up. The guy who's like, yeah, I'm going to take your franchise and throw them in a fucking king. I mean, like, yeah. my top six baseball free agents. They're all, uh, their price is going up for all of them.

Granted, that didn't work per se, but still, it's an awesome move. He'll do it again and it'll work next time. This is energy that you want in a representative. Again, I want a GM waking up at two in the morning being like, oh God, Rosenhouse again. Yeah, yeah. Dread me. Pay me money to go away. The thing about Scott Boris to me is like, as much as people hate him, I'm like, man,

he must be great. He must be, I'm like Boris, man. I was like, I want that guy, I want that guy in a room for me, man. You know, I want you to hate my guy. Our sport is dying. Our revenue shrinking. And Scott Boris is like, I have a gun. And I will use it on you.

That's great. I never really thought about being an agent as a good emotional outlet. Yeah. Kind of feeling it. Oh, I think it's got to be emotionally horrifying. Like the person who could go through everything an agent has to go through and not want to drink themselves blind at the end of the day is it. shark oh have you so briefly in my life in the career i was like man maybe i should be an

agent like i just like you know i like sports or whatever and then i was just like oh i don't like arguing with people though i don't like i don't like conflict and that seems like a bad trait like as an agent you've really got to be willing to be the asshole you know what i mean you got to be like man well fine fuck it that you know you know what my number is you know yeah call me back when you're serious you know some shit like that i don't want to i don't want to talk to anybody but about that. I don't want to talk about money with people, you know? I don't, I don't, I can't imagine doing that with somebody else's money, right? Because you're doing that with your client. You'd walk back to your client, be like, yeah, I told them to go fuck themselves. With my money,

go back. Or also, on the other hand, I'll be like, you know, you got a point, man. Yeah. I got, I'm not going to say, okay, fine. Like, you know, forget that last demand, you know, whatever. We go to the one before that. I don't want to cause any beef, you know. And athletes are such, you know, athletes are have, uh, what we love to call big personalities, but in dealing with especially NFL ownership, there is such a high likelihood that whoever you are dealing with is crazy person.

Like a legitimate, documented crazy person? And they have your phone number? Yeah. I wanted to ask Joel one more very player specific thing before he has to go. And it's this Quinn Ewers gets picked in the seventh. Quine

was former perfect recruit, like highest ranked quarterback recruit and like recent memory ever um it happened to i got from south lake man it's really tough yeah and he gets a seventh round flyer he could have i mean in theory probably wheedled another year out of the college game right do you really think that's true i know this is a question for jol do you think he could have gotten another year anywhere i the thing is it's like when would he have had to make that decision right because if he did it if he made the decision to go back in December, okay, maybe Ohio State comes back up and again, or maybe, you know,

you could, Michigan, you know, maybe there's some schools, because I could see, well, I don't know what promises they made to Underwood, but you get what I'm saying. There's more of an opportunity then. But if he had to do, like, the NICO tour, you know, and deal with, like, UCLA and whoever else, you know, is kind of throwing some shit at him, yeah, I don't, I don't know that he would make that much money because, I mean, you could see Texas spending money on him because they were invested in him he's a texas guy you know like in all the n i.l opportunities that sort of arrived at them but like who the fuck is he to utah you know

like who is he to arizona well Arizona state's got a good guy like what you know who I don't know I don't I'm trying to think of like would even be a good fit for him like Florida state you know but then do you do you really want to do that I don't know so I kind of I understand Quinn being like I've done enough college like I've been in college I skipped a year high school to do this shit man like if it's not if i haven't made a case by now like what and this is the weak quarterback that's the thing that's the fight this is the weak quarterback draft allegedly i think those last two points are really important too like is is there is the he's

going to be a slightly bigger fish in this particular pond but also it's not like he's one of those 26 year old you know back to dylan gabriel he's not like 27 entering this draft or whatever we can make a dillie gabriel like a year old he's not a 38 year old Dylan, we love you. We love you, Dylan. We love you, Dylan. To be clear, I hope you'll go to the Coast Guard for a few years before he got it together. To me, with yours, it's, um, it sounds miserable to like, you know, you're going to go spend

a year at a second tier power, power five team, power four. And meanwhile, Arch is in every commercial and the highest win leader from week one, probably going, just call it probably going to the playoff and you're not, like, that fucking sucks. get out of here. Like, I get that part. Well, like, you're whatever, if there's not a home run, this kind of feel like it's one of those,

if it's not a hell yes, it's a no situation. If there's not a home run landing spot for you, like, there's such a great chance that you end up spinning your wheels for another season. Like, if you cannot assure yourself with pretty high certainty,

that you're going to gain more in this year, to make up that gap than why? There's also the chance you transfer, you play pretty well for a year and you enter the draft and the number one quarterback in your draft class is Arch Manning. I be, God,

and I don't know if Arch is a great I don't know if Arch is a great teammate or fun to hang out with or what. I'd be so like, he could be the nicest person on the planet. He could be Travis Hunter, nice. If I'm Quinn Ewers, I am so sick of that shit. When I was Elizabeth, this perfect little lad. When I was a,

Texas this year, oh my God, this past season, oh my God, I've never seen so many shirts to the backup. Like, I would, my feelings would have been hurt. Yeah. And he's, I mean, he is a Texas, like, he is the highest rated recruit quarterback recruit in the history of quarterback recruiting rankings. Like, I mean, you know, like composite-wise. I mean, it's just, and Texas is like, all right, man, trying to get out of here. I mean, Texas has some fucking nerve. You guys started Case McCoy. You know what you think you are? We all saw that. Yeah, it's like, I watched Case McCoy play.

You know what I mean? Like, you guys, who do you have any right? You don't have any right to, like, kick out a decent quarterback like Queen Ewers, but I kind of get it, man. Nothing probably would. And also, we know how this shit works, man. He probably was fielding offers from colleges throughout the season. You know what I mean? And he probably was like, eh, yeah.

None of that seems that appealing anyway, you know? I mean, I'm old enough to remember Hudson cards, sir. Oh, my God. have you no shame Hudson card that was a chance mock ass quarterback right there exactly

I was my head went back to like who was the last Lake Travis guy who really was that was the last one I could think of one guy I want to bring up before I go because I this was the NFL draft slide

that I've never heard anybody talk about that shocked me more than anybody else I'm going to leave you guys with this name Vante's perfect Yeah But, like, I remember that draft was over and I was like, what? Like, oh, I was like, he must be, he must be on crack. Like, it's something like, you know, he, or he's got like a body in his, you know what I mean?

It had to have been something. My thought was he's not on crack. That would be more terrifying based on hell. Oh, yeah, he's just like that. Yeah, he's just like that door. Yeah, that they were like, well, we expect a positive drug test. We can't put him on an airplane. It's a controlled substance.

It's his blood. Then they got one back, and they were like, oh, no, oh, no. It's worse than we thought. He likes being like this. He likes being like this. I just like that game against the, the playoff game against the Steelers. And it was just like, this NFL game has gotten out of control. And he was at the center of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like that's just how crazy. Like, you're getting it. So when that guy, I was like, at least he's scary, though. I was like, take a chance on that shit. You know, I was like, that motherfucker's scary. You know? I really wish I had his, I could call up his Chiron, his little thing that they put at the card next to him, right? Where they were like, strengths.

And number one had to be terror. Violent. Scary. Will likely cripple Antonio Brown for life. Like that's... Don't look at him. Explosive, but not in the way we usually mean. Try to keep him pointed at an enemy.

How violent do you have to be? for an AMC North, like, game to be like, no. This is out of control. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Football has really gone beyond the pair here. That specific division, which, like, watching those fucking games is often just like, oh, God, we allow this on TV. And this dude is the one who stands out.

God. James Harrison, Troy Palamo, like, all these, like, great violent people out there in the game. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is now this guy right here. Whoa, whoa. No, like, like, the, the division that single-handedly created the NFL code of conduct on the field. The division where when people in the YouTube comments are like,

oh, man, this crunch course highlight, they couldn't do this anymore. This jacked up highlight, they couldn't do this anymore. I'm like, four o'clock on Sunday. AFC North. Steelers Ravens, you're going to see some shit. Yo, I got some good shit. It's Steelers Ravens. You're going to turn away from the screen.

I'm going to sell it in a brown wrapper. They're going to find you huffing it in a bag in the alley. Hey, man. I want to see some shit. It's fucked up for sure. Did you like faces of death? Browns Bingles. You know how a player, they'll do something,

they'll name a rule after him, you know? No, yeah, that's always good. Devante's perfect rule is just like, cut that out, knock it off. He was acting up. He was giving him the business. He was giving him the business. Whatever he's doing, I don't like it.

business giver get him out of here is what it says in the text of the rule you know like I don't know if you watch all these like I'm sorry the pivot if you watch any of the pivot Ryan Clark will be like yeah so one time I totally killed this man and I danced over him and Tomlin was like don't do that we don't dance over bodies and you're like I don't know that you're not being literal this is another one thing I discovered when it as their podcast got more famous is that people don't remember what Ryan Clark was like as a player oh oh that is just been, I think it's because he's so, like, he's so genial on, as a broadcaster, or as, as, like, a media person that people forget what he was like on the field. We don't, it's just like a memory hole of so much terror. Man, didn't, like, Bill Romanowski have a TV career briefly? Briefly. Briefly. Like, I mean, it's like, yeah, because usually the asshole football player, like, the danger, like, you kind of can tell. You know what I mean? It's just like, oh, okay, like, this is your get down. Like,

Bill Romanowski, you're just not a nice person. You know what I mean? Like, you know, you will spit on somebody. Yeah, with him, it's like, with Ryan Clark, it's like, oh, man, you look like you were, you know, a court, like, you played quarterback in college and didn't make it into the league or something. You know what I mean? Yeah.

You did, or maybe you did the Dominic Foxworth route, you know, like, you were just a very upstanding kid and you were academic all SEC and everything else. Like, you would never think that he was a guy that was like, you know, I mean, he wasn't as violent as Vanté's perfect because no. body is but uh the disregard that he had for his own body is what stands out to me in memory really there yeah which is just and now he's just like hey guys what's happening no now he which almost makes him scarier in retrospect like the fact that he could turn it on and off how does he walk has anybody ever seen him walk yeah i don't know i never i only ever spend them on the couches

yeah he doesn't yeah no he doesn't have like there's no noticeable limp he doesn't walk like a hitman Like there's no, he doesn't have, he doesn't bring a sense of looming doom. He actually kind of looks like he just walked off of like the coolest ship and Starfleet. Like, you know, he wears a lot of like banded collar kind of stuff and looks like it usually has like a little RC logo right here. Like it looks like he came off of the ship you want to be stationed on in the Star Trek universe. I mean, some people can come through that shit, niggas come, you know, not without a scratch on him, man. Somebody tracked down Vante's perfect

I bet I'm not I have no right to talk You know you tracked You track You track it down I'm saying somebody else Last known whereabouts A bounty hunter

This is for whatever bounty hunters It's in your audience Vante's perfect It's like well we saw this building Was knocked over So we knew we were on the right track Like you want to know What the closest spider is to you

Look up Yeah I want to say What he looks like today I get the I You know how like every time you check in on Refrigerator Perry, who I'm always a shock to remember is alive. Like, I always think Refrigerator Perry died in like, you know, 2018.

He's still alive, right? I believe he's still in the league, yes. He's still in the league. I get the feeling that that's what Vantes is going to look like when you find him. He's going to be like, all right, well, you know, any day now, you know. It's not like, listen, it's not even like James Harrison. I don't know if you've seen James Harrison. James Harrison sitting there looks big and bad.

But if you talk, if you listen to him to talk, you're like, what a nice guy. He's got like a stanta vibe. He can't have that nickname Debo with that voice. Right? Well, I'm not going to tell him that. I mean, he can call himself whatever he wants. That's fine. I'm not going to tell Mr. Harrison that he's one thing.

I'm pretty sure he's yogurt than me and I'm like, Mr. Harrison. I was like, oh, we're deep in the show. And then I remember that we have searchable transcripts now. I'm like, oh, we're in danger. Yeah, girl.