Shutdown Fullcast - 40 for 40: The 2018 New Mexico through New Orleans Bowls

Episode Date: December 10, 2018

It's the time of year when you, college football fan, crave deep, detailed, football-focused previews for the multitude of bowl games that are fast approaching. But we didn't do that last year, or the year before, and we're not doing it this year. This is 40 FOR 40, the series in which we give every bowl game as much time as we think it merits and talk about whatever even slightly bowl adjacent topics occur to us. It will always be this way and never improve. Games featured on this episode: 1:26 - THE NEW MEXICO BOWL 11:09 - THE CURE BOWL 17:59 - THE LAS VEGAS BOWL 29:15 - THE CAMELLIA BOWL 30:39 - THE NEW ORLEANS BOWL ––– Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/Shutdown-Pop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

welcome to the shutdown fullcast oh it has begun 40 for 40 every single bowl previewed by the shutdown fullcast crew just in time for bowl season are we going to stay on top of these barely are we going to give you the in-depth knowledge that you need to know to appreciate every single bowl matchup no no yes yes absolutely not maybe we'll meet you half way is what we're saying. We'll talk about each one of these absolutely as long as they deserve. That is the rule with 40 for 40. If a bowl game deserves 15 seconds, we'll give it 15 seconds. If you disagree with our choices, you can write to Bill Connolly at SB Nation. That is my email. However, this year, we are doing it slightly differently. We're not releasing each bowl as its own episode. We're going to do them in chunks. And you're going to eat them in chunks, like some sort of sad omelet

from your uncle who has no idea what he's doing, and there's not even eggs in this, so why is it an omelet? Chunky podcast? What's that podcast? You're going to eat this in delicious chunks, like the hungry dogs that you are. Suck these tigers chunks.

Hey, boy, have yourself a chunk of omelet. I just made some fresh omelet. Get you a chunk. First chunk. The New Mexico Bowl. Featuring. Oh, we got to stop calling it chunks. North Texas versus Utah State.

I have an important announcement before we get going. Based on what I can tell, this game is no longer the Gildan New Mexico Bowl. No. Yeah, I know. Wait, are the trophies still made from pottery and leather shields? The trophies are still authentic, local native pottery and shields, I believe, leather shields. I don't believe we got through.

this. We got through the entire tenure of the Gildan Bowl without me dropping my singer-songwriter track. She wants that Gildan did. Well, you just did. You know what? That song could be a sponsor of this bowl game from what I can see because leading bowl sponsors on the now

brandless New Mexico bowl. That is the first podcast of these and we are already resorting to just reading off the bowl website. No, I was just saying my favorite sponsor on this, if you know, we could get there. 95.4. 5.9 FM and 16 a.m. What is the name of this sports station?

Guess, don't look. 1,000% it's a sports animal. The chunk. The chunky omelet. The crowd. Holly is correct. It's the sports animal. Oh, I was just saying it's a generic animal. No, it is the sports animal.

Oh, okay. Sorry, I was saying it's a sports animal. That would be the best branding if you messed up all the, like, If you messed up all the station air, it put 95.9 FM at 6.10 a.m. A sports animal. The sports marmot. The sports. Here he comes. He's moving slowly, but he'll get there. He loves sports. Sports tartagreed. He can't be killed. He can't be killed. And he loves sports.

Our takes can survive absolute zero. That's how hot they are. We don't need oxygen. sports charter grade This is a The sports target grade is telling you that the two teams involved in this are surprisingly good

These are surprisingly good teams It's a good game Yes this is a great kickoff This is like the best possible kickoff The ball season Considering it's going to be You know Like non-conference champs and all that

This is a great kickoff Utah State Also everyone's losing their head coaches I believe uh is north tex is set lettrell going anywhere as of as of recording he's in the running for kansas state okay we'll see how that turns out by the time people hear this in several days but okay matt matt wells is leaving to go to texas tech um the interim

the interim coach frank i'm going to assume this name is milay uh and his wife have three sons maximus samson and titan they also have have a daughter, her name, Cecilia. I promise you. Cecilia is the one you don't want to fuck with. I promise you. Cecilia is the meanest. Can I, can I follow up to this story with a set of three sisters in a school my friend teaches that? Yes. And I'm going to ask you to spot the Hellraiser among these three sisters. Okay. Annie, Sarah, Delorian. I'm going with Sarah You'd think so, but you'd be wrong

It's Annie Wow Yeah Yeah Cecilia They end up marrying two of the Mujan brothers Next Cecilia has definitely

Bullied Samson And no, we're not Get back on track, God damn it That's a good game We should talk about this Next up Next up is the Las Vegas ball Jason's on tilt

Jason's already done No come on You can do this You can talk about the New Mexico Bowl This is why I'm I'm mozying back to the New Mexico This according to Wikipedia This game is the only annually

Nationally televised sporting event In the state of New Mexico A whole state This represents you Don't puck it up in North Texas in Utah State. Because we don't see New Mexico the rest of the year. We don't know what happens there.

We don't know if they're living in squalor. We watch this game, and we hope that they're fine. We don't know. I mean, you forget, by the way, New Mexico has more elk than people. There's like 83 people in New Mexico total. You and the animals, we're not going to get, no, we're not doing this. You don't know what animals are.

Excuse me. I am quoting Hal Mummy here, who would know. because I think he went like eight and 73 at New Mexico State. Right. I think he was trying to find a way for football to be played by elk so that New Mexico State could have an advantage. He's brilliant, but he never figured out a way to make that happen. I did find out doing a little background research for this game that North Texas, in a weird way, and SMU, are the reasons why we have Hayden Fry and in turn. Kirk Farrants at Iowa.

Go on. So Hayden Fry gets hired as the coach and the AD at North Texas before the 1973 season. At the time, they were thinking about dropping down a division in football, or maybe not even having a team, but he got them a share of the, at the time they were in the Missouri Valley Conference. You got them a share of that title. They decided to leave the conference because they wanted to find a more football-oriented conference, something more local.

They were trying to get into the Southwest Conference. Like the Puritans. Correct. This did not work, and North Texas spent a shit ton of money in the process trying to get into the Southwest Conference, mostly being blocked at every possible turn by SMU, where Hayden Fry had coached previously, do, does anybody know why he left? I do not. Because he clashed with boosters

who wanted to start a slush fund and Hayden Fry thought that was a bad idea. Whoops. So he goes to North Texas and he's extremely good at North Texas. They go 10 and 1 in 1977 and 9 and 2 in 1978.

But this, at this point in college football history, does not get you a bowl invitation. That's right. You could go 10 and 1 and not make a bowl game. So Hayden Fry decides, well, the mean green are never going to make it into a bigger conference that suits their sort of football needs. And he did not want to keep being athletic director because it turned out that sucked as well. So even though he had never been to Iowa, that's the job he ends up taking next. All because Texas is full of cheaters and incredibly spiteful people. Wait, so Hayden Fry was a real person?

Yes. I thought that was who Craig T. Nelson played on coach. It can be both. Cool. Carry on. Yeah. Hayden Fry, by the way, the coach at Iowa, who also said when he was asked how a guy got the starting job, this linebacker who was an extremely Viking-looking dude.

Very well-built. Hayden goes, well, I like the way he looked coming out of the shower. So I gave him the job. Every reporter going. Gausa. Yeah, that, and by the way, just to give you an idea of where North Texas has come from this in 2015, they're one and 11.

Yeah. Yeah, this is Seth LaTrell's done an amazing job there And Utah State Utah State Not the easiest place to win They took a bit of a dive after Gary Anderson left, right? They did, they did

Although they were It took a few years They were like 10 win for another couple years And then they had a bunch of QB luck Bad QB luck And lost a ton of close games So like they've been they've been pretty good for the last five years the record just hasn't reflected okay fair yeah so yeah

a lovely a lovely little bowl game in a lovely place albuquerque you know where the stance will be filled with elk really engaged entertained elk but all the t-shirt money dried up okay now oh speaking of dried up i almost forgot my favorite new mexico bowl fact which was the year it blizzarded in albuquerque and they had to bring in helicopters to dry the field and then when they dried the field off they discovered all the grass and frozen and died so they spray painted it green Oh, it's St. Patty's Day in December.

It's beautiful. Anyway, carry on. Oh, dad screwed up Mother's Day breakfast. Oh, well. I'll just spray paint these pancakes. Curbel! Curbel! Curble! This one real

Louisiana scrumded italy umptious squabble what says Louisiana more than Orlando Tulane and I can never remember what are we supposed to call them at this point they're very particularly because you're just making one person mad

you can either call the name of the university is it it is acceptable to call it UL Lafayette the name of the sports team they want you to call them Louisiana If you do that, then LSU fans will kill you. All right, so I'm going to call them Lula. And also just call them the Raging Cajuns, which is a great game.

Yeah, that's the easiest thing to do. I'm going to call, this is Tulane versus Lulaf, and that's what I'm going to go with. This is the closest thing FBS has to Washington D.C.'s NFL football franchise, where you have to say the name in this whole weird way. The Los Angeles, the Los Angeles Lafayette Angels of Rage in Anaheim. The Lafayette of Lafayette. Rangers. I mean, if I wanted to appease LSU fans, wouldn't I ask Texas A&M fans because they own them now. Oh, my God.

Wow. Spencer can be reached at Bud Elliott at Esplanation. No, don't do that. Bud will fight those people. That's not good idea. That's a great idea for me. Oh, well, he's a Florida fan. How'd you do against Florida this year, LSU?

Yeah, about that. You want to hear some real Florida shit about Orlando? You just called Bud of Florida fan? I think but it'll just be like, hey, in infam, you have blocked all them during the Jimbo thing. Yeah. In M. M. Fence, yeah, they're by high, sell low idiots. I got no time for him. Man, our attempt to shell everybody but Godfrey with our own strays is going to get us killed so much faster than, like, a solid year of shelling only Godfrey?

God, I hope so. That's fine. Hey, do you know what Orlando's original name was? What? Jernigan. It really is the Pittsburgh of Florida. Jerdigan. Timmy,

like Timmy Jernigan. It was named after the first two permanent settlers, Isaac and Aaron Jernigan. Now, here's the twist. A.k.a. idiots. Do you know what kind of idiots you have to be to hit that spot of land and go,

looks fine to me? Also, what a bad idea to name the town after yourself, because now you can't have any conversation without it just going, who's on first in a fucking half second. What abject failure patch is this? Jerdin' after me.

Don't worry. It gets better. So it's obviously not named Jernigan anymore, but nobody can really say exactly why. It's called Orlando. There are a few theories. One, the neatest and simplest

of them is that it's just named after the Shakespearean character from As You Like It. But there are multiple other options that basically all involve a man named Orlando, either has his first or last name, dying and being buried in this area. This is my favorite of those multiple dead man leads to town name stories. So it's named after a groundwater toxin. You are, yes. Here it goes. A man named Mr. Orlando was passing by on his way to Tampa with a herd of ox. He got sick and died.

The locals buried him And folks would refer to the place As their lies Orlando That's no You know what That's no dumber than another Florida town name Howie in the Hills Is that where hungry Howie's came from?

I really hope so In addition there's no hills there And I just imagine it as like A really really They named it that because there was a really huge dude named Howie who lived in a pile Several piles of garbage there No see I think they named

that way to throw the cops off immediately. Where do you live? Howie and the hills? Well, it can't be there. There's no hills there. Oh, he got away. Perfect Florida mastermind. 11 foot tall moron living in piles of garbage. Yeah, I call it Howie in the Hills.

Someday he'll start a pizza chain. I don't know if this game will be good, but it will happen. It'll definitely happen. Although I will also say this. Ryan, ESPN events needs to hire you out for Bulls. even better this is a CBSSN game

so you know it'll be great well they play the CBS theme that gets me all geek for the SEC and then it's cut to this it's medicine welcome to Orlando's fourth more most important ball game the state of Louisiana's fifth and third best football

teams why are they showing all these old Auburn highlights during this opening we just didn't want to pay for new ones sorry what does what does bill have to say about this game so the raging Cajuns are underdogs but Bill's

numbers favor them so anybody looking for a hot bet the Cajuns are your team anybody who's given up on their spiritual well-being go ahead and bet American dollars on this amateur sporting event taking place to benefit a breast cancer research fund hey hey well i'm going to donate

all my winnings we forget this is not this is not the pink terrycloth risk band brigade this is the good one right this is the breast cancer research fund i think yeah this is bCRF uh which uh donates a much higher percentage of their uh that their income to charity actual charitable funds and less to uh overhead and whatnot Um, there, anyway, if you're, if you're going with breast cancer as a, uh, as a charity arm, they are the good one to pick. So on that score, we cannot make super much fun. If you bet on this game and you win, you have to, you're promising by listening to these words. You're promising to donate 20% of those winnings to BCRF. You're promising. That's fair. Or, or Bill will find you and Bill's me. Oh, Bill's, oh, Bill doesn't get credit for being as mean. as he is. Bill's bigger than Howie. See, you can go the day,

you can go a couple days before, place a wager on the Cure Bowl as a perfectly respectable adult thing to do because you're standing where? On the streets of Las Vegas, the scene of the Las Vegas Bowl. I don't get it.

Segway! Are you saying we're going back to the New Mexico Bowl preview? Yep, we are. Yep, that's exactly what I'm saying. This never happened when we actually did 40 podcasts, y'all quit. The Vegas Bowl Are we really going to try and do transitions for all these? No.

They're all going to be as ham-fisted and stupid as that one was. Yeah. So now not only are we not doing 40 podcasts, we're not even doing like 40 discrete chunks. You can taste the chunks in this. Yeah. I thought you said you didn't like the word chunk. Can that be our squad name, the discrete chunks of the shutdown forecast?

That'll be our posse on Red Dead. We're the discrete chunks. What's Red Dead? the Las Vegas Bowl features my favorite storyline from the year 2018 not involving Texas and A&M Texas A&M and LSU fighting on the field it features the success story the future of coaching as we know it the man who solved the man who saw the Matrix and read it beautifully that would be Arizona State's seven and five wonder Herm Edwards the man who took a seven and five team

and made it a seven and five team you know this means we get her in photograph which show girls now and a sombrero right I don't approve of any of this why are we doing this yeah yeah that'll be it this isn't football like he's so NFL

they're like you're opposed with these dancing girls that's against office protocol we can't have them in here And on the other side, Jeff Tedford. Wow, we are. You know, I was looking at Fresno's roster during the Mountain West title game, which was played in snow in Idaho, because I'm like, these fellows from California. And they have, you know, lots of players from Texas, lots from Florida,

but they have a lot of players from Canada. And then I think it's like five players from Canada. And then I realize why. Jeff Tedford's CFL career That man set up pipelines in Canada He's the only one He's cornered the Canada market That's right

BC Lions legend Jeff Tedford Holy crap So like That entire time away from college football Was just laying pipelines Mm-hmm Yeah and he'd already been there before

He was he was he was Refreshing the roots Because he was He was a what A position coach When Dilfer was playing there. I believe he played up there, too. He played

for... Oh, oh. Okay. I'm not going to look at the wiki to confirm that. Oh, yeah, he did. He played for fucking four different CFL teams. See? Just storming, storming the

Canadian... Let's call him Sabretooth. That's he's no longer, Jeff. He's Sabretooth Tedford. He went up there and he only had one foe. The immortal Herm Edwards Jeff Tedford and his

adamantium bones They made us in the same lab, Herm What lab? I love dogs Reindeer Whatever I wasn't bored out of a dog

though That's not true The Fresno State Bulldogs Really like Just this is an astonishing Turnaround Like An amazing

Like I It did like no snark nothing this is just i don't think it's that astonishing honestly you know i'm not no i'm not saying it's not a great accomplishment i'm saying i'm not surprised i'm doing that assal internet thing where i say where i say that i thought this was going to be like a bang-up season for them they had certainly shown the capability to do something like this not that long ago so well they were it's they were really good last year it was the year before that that everything was complete shit right and i i i like tedford man i like i like tedford as a coach i i'm a mark

the ones who are always like trying to out genius themselves and end up dick tripping in spectacular fashion and now he's in Fresno good for him I mean look at how good Cal has been since he left or not good have they been in that in order to get Cal back to anything like prominence like they had to reduce them to the caveman of the pack 12 109 good no Jeff Ted

I would like to congratulate congratulate the Las Vegas Bowl on picking these are probably the two teams that have the most resident alums in Las Vegas right Arizona State and Fresno State like they probably have satellite campuses in Las Vegas at this point there is something there is something that I think

deeply unfair about the setup of this bowl the PAC 12 team gets to stay at Mandalay Bay where does the where does the Mountain West team stay well get to that Mandalay Bay Circus It's real nice, right? Like, it's a nice...

Sure. It's fine. Yeah. It's older, but it's nice. Yeah, no. It's going to be the kind of... Just like Herm Edwards. Older?

Yeah, it's the Herm Edwards of Resorts. However, for the newer, jankier experience. Yeah, well, the Mountain West... Now, mind you, 7 to 5 in the Pack 12, get you Mandalay Bay. Yeah. Winning the entire Mountain West, get you the hard rock.

Oh, which honestly smells like a waffle house ashtray. Counterpoint. $5 blackjack. No, Magic Mike is in the building. Oh, that's which, that's, that's, that's, which means, that's certainly with Jeff Tedford's going to be excited about. We possibly get Jeff Tedford recruit me from the bartending staff at the Magic Mike show. That'd be true. He goes there.

He's like, that guy's got great agility. Hey. Listen, you know, great coaches have spotted talent from the showers and this is basically that. So that's fine. Hey, could you, could you just do a couple of vertical jumps? for me. Jeff Tedford growing up to a dude

in a speedo like you you ain't from Canada by chance who was asking I knew it spot you from

across the room I hope they take everyone to see it though it's a spectacular show

yeah he's a juco transfer from Magic in my community college this is how I know by the like if Alabama

ever made this this wouldn't happen right because Nick Sabber would be like it's too far away from the stadium

we need better we need better accommodations so it would be like it would be like Alabama would be staying at the win right and the other team on the strip is anywhere near the stadium and then like and then the other team would be staying at like circus circus that's how bad it would get course it would be staying at the win because that's all they do oh boy maybe stratosphere too speaking of not returning donations how many how many things would we have to unwind in college football to get to a point where it's Alabama and not Arizona State playing in the Las Vegas Bowl. Like that's, we've fucked with the timeline aggressively to get to that point.

We can make it happen. Is this, is this an ESPN events bowl? I don't believe it is. The Las Vegas Bowl? Is it still sponsored by that lube company? No, it is. It is an ESPN events bowl, which means all things are now possible. Because all the, all the, it's now sponsored by Mitsubishi Motors.

Interesting. Yeah, like, nobody noticed that happening. It just sort of, they snuck that one in. But all the ESP and events bowls. Or is there just some auto body shop that's called Mitsubishi Motors? It's my boy, he'll fix you up. It's Trent Mitsubishi. Specifically the motors, not Mitsubishi wheels or doors, steering wheels, seats, none of that.

Just motors. All the ESP and events bowls, you discover on Selection Sunday, that they're all essentially interchangeable. Like you look up like, wait, wait, why is that team in a Sunbelt bowl? Well, the TV boss man decided they are now. So if you can find, if Bama falls down to a ESPN-owned SEC bowl,

hey man, all bets are off. Or actually they're on because we're in Las Vegas. Last year, Reese Davis and Kirk Herb Street did this bowl. What the, like, this bowl consistently gets, a top level crew. Gosh, I wonder why. It's on ABC this year. I think they like to sell it as like

the spotlight game of the first day of all season. Yeah, also that's trading time off, right? I'm like, okay, listen, I'll go out and I'll do the Vegas Bowl. But you've got to give me three days off in the middle of like a busy season.

I'm glad that they moved this bowl. I think this bowl used to be a little bit later because the last time I covered it led me to the saddest experience I've ever had in an airport, which is the Las Vegas airport on Christmas Eve. Yeah, as recently as, as, as recently as 2012, this game took place on December 22nd. So. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, no, wait. What's that, what's that airport situation like? McCarran? McCarran Airport? No, no, on Christmas Eve. Oh, God. It's so quiet, man.

It's so quiet and nobody's making eye contact. It's real bad Imagine the scene in Home Alone Where Kevin and his mother are reunited Now do the invert of that Just flip that Like everyone I imagine everyone is just fully aware

Of their aloneness Yeah Yeah Except for her Hey everybody You know the opening of the The Love Actually movie Where

I keep gone of Hugh Jackman that'd be a much better movie where Hugh Grant is talking about like the arrivals gate at the airport and watching people like smile and hug and run yeah the antithesis of that this is baggage claim when your suitcase isn't coming this is emotional baggage claim my man

it's all damaged I'll take it anyway whatever somebody strikes big on like the slots at the airport on Christmas Eve and kind of like yeah yeah the the christmas eve las vegas to nashville flight is something i never want to do again jesus man i feel like godfrey was godfrey the pilot for that i mean jesus

and i had just watched dennis erics and cry man that was a hard year man i think like a really evil christoph waltz is the pilot for that hello Welcome to hell. Merry Christmas. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Just let it slide. It'll go to eternity.

No one will ever remember it. Cassio Dog, it's time to talk about the chamelea bowl. Cassio Dog, do, it came upon a midnight clear. Go. I'm not your performing reindeer. Yes, you are. Casio Dog, it came upon a midnight. Night Clear.

Cassio Dog, bad. No, no. And plus... Do it. No, I'm not going to do that. It's a lame Christmas song. Spencer, Spencer, Spencer, do Cassio reindeer. Oh, man.

I just thought about that for a second and it made my throat hurt. Cassio Dog, O'Tanonanbaum. Go! Brow! Brow! Brow, roon, roon, roon, roon, roon, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Good, Cassio dog, good. Then you've got to hit the fart button from the sample.

Thank you, Gene. Yeah, I got nothing to say about the camellia bowl whatsoever. Nothing, man. That's a great preview. Let's go. It sounds like camillian. And that's what Spencer is. You can adapt to any situation.

And to keep her dog. As long as it's Cassie. As long as Cassio dog. Okay, moving on. Woo. You can bet on Georgia Southern if you want. Next, the New Orleans Bowl. App State versus MTSU.

Be a real interesting game. Scott Satterfield hadn't just taken the Louisville job. I think it's so... I think it's still going to... Sorry, exactly what I'm going to... Yeah, no, it's still got enough interest going for it, right? It'll still give you about 37 points. Plus, the New Orleans Bowl consistently is the bull where you're like, well, I guess I can ignore it at halftime, because one team's up by 20, and then you turn it back and you're like, the other team's up by 20. What the fuck just happened?

Also, for the second or third year in a row, they have moved this game from the incredibly problematic 11 a.m. local to the equally but opposite problematic 9 p.m. local. I think, yeah, but that's the way. That's the easier problem to deal with, for sure. it's it's the worse and therefore better of two evils oh it's a lot of fun i'm not disparaging it at all this can be great i enjoyed the decline at one point this bowl game had the raging cajans in it like three years in a row it was great and year one they were real real real real hype about it right like well we're in the bowl game it'd be awesome year three they're like they figured they did the good place thing where they figured out they're like oh we're in hell this is all this is the only place we can go

We can't go to any other bowl ever We're just here Like Pitt, the Birmingham Bowl, five years running Or however long that was What game is Pitt in this year? Let's go to that one The Sun Bowl Oh, interesting Yeah, we're going to get to the Sun Bowl later

Don't worry about that Of course Pitt isn't Way too good of a game to be discussed this early Yeah, you did it I'm proud of you and you did a good job Scott Schaefer coaches On Middle Tennessee State Did we know this?

Oh, I did not. Okay. There's like, I mean, Rick Stockstall has a real. He's down here with the rest of us. Between Scott Schaefer and Tony Franklin, Rick Stocksdale has really assembled like a, oh, just one more job. Just, oh, just want to retire. I will not hear Tony Franklin put in the same category with Scott fucking Schaefer.

Yeah, you can't slander, you can't slander T. Frank like that. What do those two talk about? Hopefully they don't. They probably continually rotate through new topics that they each have one-sentence conversations about, right? Like Tony Franklin's like, hey, you ever had like a vegetarian Friday? Scott Schaefer's like, fuck you. Okay, next subject. They've found like two things they can agree on for one minute.

We like football. Okay, cool. Or like they have the same. coffee order at Denny's, which is coffee. Yeah. We both like football and the films of Eisenstein. It's crazy. And Rick Stockstill, our golden god. Love him so much. Scott Schaefer can't read. That's the only difference.

Is Rick Stock still like, what, the fifth most longest tenured coach in FBS at this point? He's got to be up there. That sounds right. He's been there since what? This is his 12th or 13th year or something? yeah and i would also dean of murphy's borough yeah man that's grim now that i said it out loud that's fine i would also point out the other fantastic like fact about mtsu that that brent stock still brent stock still i believe was in the top three in active passing this year who's brent stock still that would be uh that would be the son of the Coach, who's also the quarterback, who was born in 1994.

Cassio Dog, slow encroaching March of Death. Cassio Dog, dance macabre. Yeah, he's... No, seriously, do dance macaw is Cassio dog. I'll have to remember the melody, okay? Take me a minute. Yeah, this was, of course, Brent Stockstill, who, the quarterback who had the easy schedule this year. I believe ballroom dancing was actually... He was taking water aerobics. He was taking

teaching water safety, coaching an umpiring baseball, an athletic training class, and water aerobics. So his major was camp counselor.