Shutdown Fullcast - A History of the People's Heisman

Episode Date: August 30, 2019

ATTENTION LAWYERS: THIS IS NOT THE HEISMAN TROPHY WE"RE TALKING ABOUT. PLEASE DO NOT SUE US, AS WE DON'T HAVE MUCH MONEY ANYWAYS. This episode is about the People's Heisman, an entirely different award in that it doesn't currently exist in trophy form and has never formally been awarded to anyone, and a very similar award in that we only sort of kind of decided who qualifies for it. Simply put, the People's Heisman is for the players we remember fondly not necessarily because they were the best or most accomplished but because they were just so very memorable. It's for a Quinton Flowers, or a Joel Lanning, or a Scooby Wright, or a Jared Lorezen (RIP).  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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anything about 10 wins, did we? Didn't say a darn thing about 10 wins. We have the topic today of my favorite thing, which is trying to celebrate college football players who are that guy or who were just brilliant college football players who, I don't know, maybe that was it, y'all. Maybe you're just a college great, and then maybe you go on to just have a perfectly respectable

successful life, start a family, get a real job, maybe not get a real job and just open a bar. That's a real job. That's a hard job. It's a very hard job. It's realer than our jobs. Totally. Maybe you go pro and something else is what we're saying. Okay. That's who we want to talk about because for years I've wanted to have this and I think we're going to build it. We might need your help in building it. It's the people's hyphen. title is a little problematic y'all because it turns out

Heisman trust it's kind of their thing they're a little sensitive about its use they don't like you to sell it make money off of it mention it or even talk about who you're going to vote for before you do it which is as a Heisman voter I disagree with that policy all right but they don't like you to talk about it that's how sensitive they are about it but the concept needs that to just sort of frame

what we're talking about here. Are we talking about players who were great? In some instances, yeah. Yeah, in some instances, we're talking about players who were legitimately great in college. Are we talking about people who were great as pros?

Probably not. Probably not. This was probably the peak for y'all, right? Like, he could win the actual Heisman, but if I had to give you a prototype for that this year, right? I mean, Felipe Franks, Philippe Franks is going to have a good year, statistically speaking.

Felipe Franks probably won't be starting for the New York Jets. Actually, that's a terrible comparison. No, they've kind of got it together, but you could say the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah, might start for the Bengals a couple games. Could you see him creep in on the Texan sideline every now and then? I could definitely see him making the Raiders. This guy. This guy.

Felipe Franks, I like that he only has one initial and he gets two names out of it. That's a vision C. People who are NFL first type people, I'm just going to go ahead and issue the grave warning, right, from beyond the veil of college. Like, where did we first see the backup quarterback for the Oakland Raiders playing football where he... First? Yeah, where did we first see him? That'd be the University of Tennessee, right? That's right. That's where we first saw Nathan Peter.

in the quarterback in question. And what did he do there? Turnovers. Don't give him a, no, I veto this. What? He's not a people's highman. He's not getting a people's highman. I'm issuing a warning about why people should pay attention to us because we saw

at first, y'all. We knew it was going to happen. All right. So can I ask some clarifying questions about the people's Heisman? Sure, sure. Before we get into like watch lists and who like, because what I'm going to do is we're going to go ahead and hand out retroactively.

the People's Hizman for 2014 to 2018. Okay. Just to give you an idea. But first, let's go over a couple of questions. Okay. So here's what I think will help me and maybe help the audience as well. I have five and a half names, and you'll see why I say half. And I want you to...

Because one of them is Nick Saven. I'm going to tell you, I'm going to give them to you, and you tell me if they qualify. He's not Paul. As at least not necessarily like the winner from their year. but like oh yeah they would have been in the running yeah okay L. Roberson Kansas state quarterback absolutely El Roberson would have been a People's Heisman finalist for sure okay uh Stephen Garcia yes first ballot Hall of Famer okay yeah um all right Listen, a mall sword collection is like a candy land shortcut to the People's Hizman Hall of Fame.

Absolutely, absolutely. Let me make it a little harder now. Khalil Mack, is he too good to be People's Heisman? Yes, he's too good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Too good, too successful. Like, he was traded. Which, it's a nice problem to have. Also, going on to blow up in the NFL and enjoy genuine NFL success, that's enough of a reward.

Okay, okay. because we're middil grads, the Autry brothers. I'm going to say that because it's the people's size, and we can't entertain a Northwestern player. Okay. Yeah, that wouldn't be objective. It's not, it's not, yeah, class, class warfare is a factor here. However, counterpoint, Isaiah Bowser.

Yeah, he's a, we'll put him a, we'll put a, let's see how this season goes. He's on the watch list this year for sure. I will say this, you know how the path to heaven is, but narrow for the rich man, right? Path to the People's Heisman, real squeaky narrow for a Northwestern grad. Right. Right.

All right. My last one. Rodrigo Blankenship. Maybe too good. Yeah, I mean, he was pretty good. Like, all he really did besides be good was wear glasses. Okay, what about, what about Wisconsin's kicker from a couple years ago? Raphael Gaglianone, I think his name was.

Yeah, aka Big Chief. Yeah. Yeah, that's a better one. Yeah, that's a much better one, especially because the People's Heisman will not depend on, but will definitely reward quirk, abnormal size in either direction. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Or Flair. So bonus entry then. Brad Wing, People's Heisman? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Like Brad Wing actually, Brad Wing probably would have won the People's Heisman that year. Yeah. Like I would have had no problem turning the whole thing over to him. because because the minute that you get a touchdown called back for taunting on a fake punt as an Aussie punter at LSU, consider the layers I just gave you. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a, that's a tiramisu that I'm going to go ahead and put on my plate. Let's do it. Okay. Thank you. That is actually very helpful because now we're triangulated. Now I have a good sense of like, yeah, the, it's basically this very specific intersection of good, not great, fun, and a little quirky? Personality.

I will say this, you can be real close to great. Yeah, I mean, Brad Wing was terrific. You can be a great college football player. Right. There were situational circumstances to Brad Wing's greatness, by which I mean having a touchdown called back as a special teamer. that transcended due to their impact, that transcended his actual skill,

which is very high. Right. But like Randy Moss is far too good to be a People's Heisman, right? Like when you are actually at the Heisman ceremony, you've sort of trans, you've sort of eliminated yourself from People's Heisman. Correct.

Like, like, well, unless see the, I'm not sure there's a blanket protocol we can put over everything because the exception that I would put to, say, a Heisman ceremony proviso is a defensive player who gets a token invitation to the Heisman ceremony. Right. Yeah. Who's like our best example of that? Somebody who could appear at both, correct?

Right. But who's, yeah, who's like a, like, Honey Badger? Would he be close to that? Yeah. Yeah, Matthew would be close to that. But Moss is very close to that because of the route he took, right? Like he was just destroying people at Marshall, right? And doing so with like immense flare.

I think he's really close to it. I think like any number air raid quarterbacks, like if you went back and look, you're like, oh God, he threw for 5,000 yards and like 80 touchdowns. Graham Harrell, y'all! You know, he wore like a cute Christmas sweater before that was entirely too common. Yeah, that's like Graham Harrell. or B.J. Simons, like, I think that's, like, you could definitely have any of them there, you know, like, I would, I would include, like, another player who, to me, like, you know,

if I were to give you a prototypical guy, you know, Eric Dungey, Eric Dungey at Syracuse was great. Eric Dungey did some things that no pro should do in any sport, right, at quarterback. Yet, he was brilliant on his own terms and statistically pretty good. So I think what we're trying to do with the people's Heismans give you somebody who is underappreciated, who is charismatic who is, you know, generally beloved by their team or at least respected and feared? Yeah, that is

where I would put up a fence or a roadblock in front of the Moss thing. He was never underappreciated. Yeah. You know, like if I were to give you under not once he got to college anyway. You know, like Iowa State I'm going to speak to your hearts here. Troy Davis. He was at the Heisman. He got votes. he was like 5-2 right right but a dervish just an unstoppable whirlwind of a man on the football field

he he gets prime consideration for a people sizeman retroactively who was mississippi states little bowling ball running back from uh played with doc prescott i can't remember his name i don't know who you're talking about but that just reminded me of rennie curran at georgia would probably also be another one that i'd throw in there right yeah but you're talking you're talking about like five six five six like thunder wonder like you've been described as a bowling ball i'm going to look it up because this is going to drive me insane it will drive it will drive you mad please because it's also going to drive me mad by the way people's heisman you're you're talking about a particularly charismatic like pairing of running back and quarterback that's a great place to go ahead and look

for people's heisman candidates because you might have a quarterback it goes on to the NFL and you might have a running back. You rarely have both in a good duo. And when that happens, look at the one who didn't go to the pros or didn't pan out in the NFL. That's probably the person we'd nominate. I have a real good nominee in that sort of format for. So I've found this running back. Okay. It's Josh Robinson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't remember him at all. 5-9-215. Oh, wow. He got about 1,600 yards from scrimmage and 12 touchdowns for that 2014 Mississippi State team,

which, if memory serves, was the first team to ever get the number one ranking by the college football playoff committee. Wow, yeah. There's actually the state of Mississippi figures in the retroactive people's Heisman that I just sketched out before the program at one point remember in the top three we had or top five we had mississippi state and old miss and the world shockingly did not enter armageddon phase at that point somehow did either of them make the playoff no no they did not was was it because one knocked the other out in the egg bowl it didn't help but probably wasn't happening either didn't didn't really help and uh was it also by the way just a relatively meaningless win for that

other team? Yeah. On the board it was pretty meaningless considering potential outcomes. Was it meaningless in the heart? Never. Never. Never. Oh, hey, everybody. How are we doing? Oh, good Lord! Jason Kirk got a goddamn nowhere. I was detained by

a project I had to wrap up and also putting out the fires of the read option watch grid where 11 of 11 people who've contacted me so far wanted to go back to the way it was. I have an uprising on my hands, dealing with conservative factions who can't handle change. So I think I'm going to be forced into, uh, forced into reverting it to its 2018 in previous form. That's what I have

going on. Coward. I figured you for a quitter, Jason. I, I am, uh, I'm a democratic leader is what it is. Coward. The public has decided in the spirit of the people's Heisman, the public has decided. I had a comment and a question. I've tried to listen to keep up. Did we decide that Heisman finalists are ineligible for the people's Heisman? For the most part, although I would like to throw in an exception for somebody like a defensive player who gets a token invite. Mm-hmm. Like, so only defensive players and linemen, like who we know don't actually have a chance to win.

But like, Indomacompson Sue would not qualify because A, he had like a decent case that year and B, probably too good, right? I think Sue is the hands-down winner for that year. He didn't even get invited, did he? To the Heisman ceremony? Was he invited? I don't remember if he was or not. I would have to check, but I would just maintain that, like, that actually is on the Heisman.

That ain't on us. That's true. Like, that's, that's, that's like, that's their mistake, right? Okay. Yeah. Like, we're going to appreciate the player on their own merits, right? So is there ever a potential case in which a player could win both? I would say no.

I would say no. But then that's making. contingent on them if i'm handing it out i would say it could happen the closest case for me here if i had to put it on there like uh would be randy moss if i was just thinking about it because randy moss was already a legend who was never going to win the heisman or be allowed to win the heisman out of marshal right so i would cap him for either one and be completely happy and fine with it there's a couple of cases like a couple of the recent cases where i think in another year the person that I chose for the people's Heisman

could have been invited to the old Heisman ceremony, right? And the example that a name will be pretty clear. I just think they got crowded out by people on teams with better records or people who put up more numbers against lax competition. You'll see. But like, I think it is, it has to be categorically possible because I don't want the Heisman to determine who gets it.

Like, we want to celebrate somebody who is, we can celebrate somebody who's scary good I think it helps if that scary kind of good is either underappreciated or it's like the Beau Wall is kind of scary the Stephen Garcia kind of scary where you're like, I don't know what's going to happen y'all. This is combustible in all directions.

And Domiconsa was a finalist. There were five finalists that year, so he did get an invite. He finished fourth in the voting, but he got like a decent number of first place votes. And then you remember that Mark Ingram won it and Toby Gerhardt was second. And you're like, this could have been so much more, this could have been so much more.

It's not even like, oh, he clearly deserved it more than they did because I'm not trying to like really dunk on them now. Yeah. But it could have been so much more awesome to just been like, yeah, two perfectly fine running backs in very running back friendly systems and schemes. Too bad. We're giving it to the D-Linman and we're putting him over the quarterback who only beat him in the conference championship game. because he bent time. Ryan, you threw out an adjective there just a second ago that I think may be the key to discerning the committee's feelings, the People's Heisman Committee feelings about any given

player, combustibility, which can be real good and it can be real bad. And either way, I think we have a marked appreciation for it. Do we need, we need to put together like a threat matrix. Yeah. I feel like memorability is key here. Think of the number one draft picks where you're like, oh, yeah, that dude was awesome in college. Well, what did he do?

Well, he had large stats and he won some games. But, like, do you remember things he said, things he did? Like, do you have a gift? You know what I mean? Like, I think you need that stuff. I think that's definitely a strong portion of the resume. Like Cardale Jones to do a recent one. Yes.

Three game legend. Yes. That's all he needed. My other question, which might have been a draft. Justin, forgive me if so. This is excellent audio sure. Have we discussed the name potentially evolving down the line? We haven't gotten to that

yet, no. Okay, because if we were to say hand out an actual trophy, like we couldn't like the Heisman people, I think so much you referenced this, like they would assassinate us. So I think eventually we would need to find a name. Also because we don't want this trophy

to be tarnished by the Heisman. Yeah. Which typically only goes to running backs and quarterbacks right like running backs quarterbacks I can't think of a time when it's been awarded to a player who wasn't a running back or a quarterback frankly I mean who was the last our trophy is the Antichrist trophy but the Antichrist doesn't call himself the Antichrist that'd be a little obvious and on the news he's Dwayne Dwayne Dwayne Antichrushed hey oh man it's gonna be a real bummer if the rock turns out to be the anti-crisse no no listen listen did you ever read all those

tribulation books the antichrist is going to be beautiful he might be it he shall have swole traps oh yeah all right i'm going to do the numberology and get back to y'all okay all right you work on you work on the numerology he literally has a beast tattooed on his arm though this this is worrying journey to which mountain anybody uh the rock i'm sorry that we said you're the antichrist no but we said it was because you're beautiful that's true it is as as antichrist label go this one is flattering the rock is going to post and i'm not the rock is going to post and i'm not mad i'm just disappointed instagram video and we're all going to feel really bad and then elizabeth warren's going to hate us too this is complicated moving on yeah so i wanted to go ahead and sort of make the case

and just give you an idea okay well we'll talk about people who definitely have the potential to win the People's Heisman or whatever y'all help us call it because we're going to ask for your help and picking the name for this and discuss kind of how we're going to do it but in addition to that I was going to go ahead and just set the table by giving you a little simulation if the people's Heisman had been handed out for like the last five years who we would be looking at right in competition that means we start with 2014 and I think like this we're off to a like a bang and start here because this should drive home sort of what we're looking at in terms of players all right 2014 oh yeah guess who wins the people's highsman that's dr beau

bo wallace of old miss in 2014 doctors have won all kinds of awards before being stripped of their licenses that's true doctors have also lost some patients on the table and made some miraculous saves. You should, to learn more, you should watch the documentary, The Fugitive. That's the Bo Wallace story in full. I'm not going to tell you which character he is by scene. He's probably Tommy Lee Jones. I don't care. Throws three picks against Arkansas. I don't care. He did that, by the way, but let's go ahead and go over the full arc of things here. At one point, Ole Miss in 2014 did something they had just like almost never done, which was go 7 and 0,

rise to the rank of three, three. Gross. All right, the ranking or the rolling. The rolling, don't do that again. Don't do that while you're sitting next to me. There's like a fine mist. Okay, we'll put up a spit shield next time. Your co-worker is now, so she can file a complaint against you for that.

So moist. That's true. Speaking of wet and ready, Dr. Bowellis. God. 7 and 0. This is the team, by the way. If you remember, 2317 victory over the University of Alabama. A shocker pulled off by who?

Yep, that's right. Three-star prospect, Bo Wallace. At 7-0, Ole Miss was primed with Bo Wallace playing, occasionally daring, sometimes speculative football, but leading the rebels to greatness. They lost four of their last. six at that point, which is where we get to peak Bo Wallace and peak Ole Miss all at the same time, including a 30-0 loss to Arkansas and a bowl loss to TCU, which is still one of the

worst beatings I have ever seen in a bowl game. I think we talk about that on the bowl-season Blood Week episode. We do. We do. Yeah, this is where he goes, he goes zero touchdowns, three interceptions only throws for 109 yards clearly has no clue what he's looking at these aren't interceptions by the way that are i don't know you know like that's a one-on-one situation and the db one no i'm talking air mailing him like straight to guys he just did not see in coverage but but here's where he wins the people's heisman and redeems himself that's correct with an egg bowl victory over mississippi state helping to cripple mississippi state's larger ambitions in terms of in terms of bowl season and championships, in addition to that, you know,

winning the Egg Bowl and helping destroy Mississippi State season. What more could I do to argue for him as a people's Heisman than his brilliant and sometimes erratic play, his not playing in the NFL currently, his magnificent victory over Alabama, and just for color, you know, losing 30 to nothing to Arkansas in the same season. Not a great Arkansas team either, by the way. 2015. This one I just gave

to like, occasionally you just pick a good player who was kind of colorful, who didn't get enough pub. Zach Cunningham of Vandy. Do you remember Zach Cunningham? Yeah. It's a monster for Vandy that year. An absolute beast. And there's like a long tradition of like

Jamie Winborn, guys who went to Vandy and just you know. You guys remember, you have to remember there was a period of a couple of years in which we all felt regular sympathy for j cutler yeah yeah like it was cutler and then it was guys like jimmy winborn and finally like zack cuttingham if you'll remember zach stacey too yeah yeah zach stacey but uh zach cunningham makes a game winning tackle against georgia if you'll remember in the open field he was just a brilliant linebacker who you know did not go on to first round greatness but i would definitely include

there because every time I watch Vanderbilt, you're just like, yeah, that guy, I don't know what you do with him. 2016's People's Heisman winner, a little more colorful. And I think like a really cool story and a player who I will set up thusly had a cool story because he just like had a very, very hard life, went to USF and became a quarterback who was more productive than I even remembered and who was just beloved by USF fans and by people who just happened to watch him play he wasn't ever going to be

a real NFL quarterback prospect and that was fine because Quentin Flowers the 2016 winner of the People's Heisman just did nothing but put up astonishing numbers for a USF team like week in and week out

year in and year out in 2016 he throws for 2,800 yards and 24 TDs he runs for 1,500 and has 8,000 TDs. But most importantly, he plays in the same backfield with another guy who could have won the People's Heisman in theory, Marlon Mack. Do you remember Marlon Mack? Sure. Yeah. This is the like, if you told me, what do you miss about not having the NCAA football game

around? It would be not getting to play with 2015, 16, 17, USF running the read option and the spread option out of the backfield for U.S. USF. Yeah, you would have to sim through your defensive series, but that would be very fun. That's, that's fine. It's basically what I do anyway. That's fine. That would be, that would be incredible. Also, awesome dude. Like, awesome dude who was just really, really fun to watch. He is one of the reasons that I believe is the 2017 US, USF UCF game, just caught fire and didn't stop burning for three hours. And the final score was something like

52-51, including like four lead changes in the last three minutes. Quentin Flowers is part of that greatness. So there you go. People's champion. Quentin Flowers. See, you can pick a good player for the people's Heisman, right? But, and you can even pick a great player. I just think that

like college has to be the preference here and there has to be no sort of future hope of like athletic recognition. Which for, for, you know, Quentin Flowers, who was a mobile quarterback with really good arm and just like a very charismatic team player wasn't really going to happen at the NFL level right or the CFL level for that matter 2017 is kind of a special case but I think that if I explain it to you'll get it are you ready yeah okay 2017's

winner is Joel Lanning oh okay Joel Lanning why of Iowa State and here's He played for two years for Iowa State as quarterback. And then in 2016, he also played wide receiver because they needed him to move there. And he was a running back. Like he moved around between three positions while he was at Iowa State. And in 2017, when Jacob Park took over at starting quarterback, he didn't moved a wide receiver. He moved to middle linebacker from quarterback. I don't know anyone else who had ever done this and was not even granted a starting position. He just wanted to play.

And Joel Lannning played on special teams. He was for a time like a back in the wildcat, but then he just sort of learned to play linebacker on the spot and played in 12 games and had 114 tackles including 20 against Texas dude had 20 tackles a year after playing quarterback for Iowa State he fucked Oklahoma up in that game too oh yeah he was a monster his line in that he first of all he played two positions in that game he had a sack he had a fumble recovery he had eight tackles and he ran for 35 yards did i forget anything yeah i did because he also passed the ball in that game twice for 25 yards what what more do i need to sell you on the brilliance of joel landing as the 2017 people's heisman this year we do have a quarterback who

move to linebacker. I'm trying to find which team it is. I saw it just a couple days ago. I only say that to say we could see the proud lineage of Joel Laning continued this season somewhere. I think it's at UNC because, yeah, this is going around because it's Mac Brown who did it. Mac Brown again decides a quarterback should play defense instead. The dude's name is Chaz. So if somebody can get Chaz to transfer, and play quarterback for your team, you'll win 10 games and that guy will probably get the actual Heisman.

Oh, I may be sad. I am a little surprised you didn't go with Khalil Tate for 2016. That's, you know, my abiding affection for Quentin Flowers really did that. Yeah. Right?

Also, like, Khalil Tate is still, like, kind of in the league and has, you know, has parts of, like... No, I get it. I get it. Yeah. he'd be a two or three time finalist right right oh definitely maybe not maybe not last year so maybe two time finally depending on how this year goes he's off to a hot start this year yeah right right like 100% yeah i don't think you get um you know that's that's the problem though is that like

he's not quite done and he didn't really like what he don't did he have six games something like that Something like that, that doesn't make him ineligible. I'm just saying that, you know, Quentin Flowers is in my heart, y'all, okay? And not just because I want to tear people up in a video game they haven't made for years with him and Marlon Mack in the backfield. All right? 2018, you know, this is like if you want to have a, if you want to have a back-to-back winner here, the best candidate I can think of is Jason Kirk. golden boy out there just shining in the

Pacific just repping his new home state of Hawaii and that'd be Cole McDonald My two sons are very different Joe Burrow and Cole McDonald Yeah I really thought you were going to say Joe Brothers often are

They have received a differing amount of sunshine for one thing Very They take to it a little differently They have a wildly varying degree of tattoos yeah as I don't know if Joe Burrow has one

and Cole McDonald is a tattoo this is that this is that thing you do where you like they've combined for it's like when Serena played Maria Sharapova the other night the broadcast was like they've combined for 278 weeks at number one it's like Maria Sharpova had 20 of those

let's take Cole's passing yardage and Joe's rushing yardage against Georgia to create the perfect college football. The perfect player. And just pro-rate that out, right, across 13 games to greatness.

Yeah, last year was a strong, strong crew of potential candidates. Hard to pick one, because Gardner Minchew's sitting right there, right? Gardner Minchus got a headband. He might be the choice. I think he's probably the choice. I mean, with foresight,

we could probably go ahead and say, you know, Cole's got another year. Cole opened strong, by the way. Coles a candidate for the people's husband. Cole's a 2019 leader, I think. So maybe we just said, hey, son, you wait a year. That trophy's probably going to be yours. We'll give this to Gardner Minshew with his captain checkdown.

That man hit a running back in the flat for three yards harder than anybody I have ever seen. More decisively with more flare, like, bang! second and seven y'all let's go but yeah strong class last year tough picks i think i'd benny snell would have been a good competitor last year too yeah benny snell is also extremely strong you know he might be you know pending right like he might be too he might be too good right right pending NFL performance to really sort of be a Heisman, People's Heisman shoe in. But on the whole, yeah, I would go ahead and put them on the watch list for sure. The 2000, the 2019 leader in the clubhouse, Jason's right.

It's Cole McDonald's y'all. It's got to be. This is not helpful necessarily, but I'm not going to start being out of character for us. I know. The first name, when you told us. this is the episode we were doing. The first name that came to my mind, Chuckie Keaton. Absolutely. First year, first year, Chuckie Keaton. Yes, absolutely. Mostly because to Jason's point about memorability, I have such crystal clear memories of watching his first ever game,

which is on the road against Auburn, the year after they won the national championship with Cam. Going back and looking at this game, does anybody remember what Auburn was ranked going into it? pretty high up were they not give me go ahead throw me a guess this is again a team three four three they were 23rd never mind so less than everybody so clearly looked at this auburn team saw cam saw jean chiswick and was like nope i know where i put my chips the national the defending national champion comes in 23rd, and they very nearly lose to Chuckie Keaton.

Utah State on the road has a 10-point lead with 3.38 to play. And they just couldn't hold on to it at the end, but like he had an extremely snake-bit career, but kept doing this throughout his career. Later on, he

narrowly loses to Wisconsin on the road, to USC on the road. He did beat USC and OT in 2012 tore his knee one million times. And from what I can tell is now a grad assistant at Texas Tech. Yeah, he got into coaching. I think he was at, I think he actually did it at Utah State for a couple years. Yeah.

Started while he was rehabbing. But yeah, now he's in love it. So I think Chucky has three different points in his favor. One is he's good in an obscure way, right? Right. You can only be so big of a star in Logan, Utah. Two is he was around for five years. Correct.

That's a lot of memories, and that also means the NFL didn't come calling after three. Right. Which is important. And third is his name is Chuckie, which is fun to say. It's, yeah, if he's just like Charles Keaton. Chuck Keaton. Yeah, it's not as good. Charlie Keaton.

Chad. Right, right. Yeah. Can I give you guys a throwback? Yes. A further throwback than that. So I've been in my quest to pepper the Banner Society Instagram with lots of entertaining pictures of beloved players and coaches and broadcasters past. I've been going through the hard drives on all my old laptops.

And there's a different connotation with it now. Obviously, we have a lot of respect for him now for different reasons. But at the time that he was a player, do you guys remember how we all felt about Colin Kaepernick? Loved him. I have, I found this because I remember, you know, we had, we named him the angry ostrich very early on, but I have, I found like photoshopps from the Yahoo days of like his head photoshopped onto an ostrich with a big old rhinestone pistol on his hip. But that's, that's somebody from like the, what would have that been, 08, 09, 07, 08?

A little bit later. I think he's like, 09. But yeah, Colin Kaepernick in his Nevada days is probably a, the first time I remember as a sports professional person arguing with people to pay attention to a guy just because we like to watch him, not necessarily because he was a world beater. Anyway, that's all. No, he's a good throwback. I had another one in mind when I think of players.

So I go, oh, yeah. Ricky Stansy. Yes. Ricky Stanzi. See, I was going to go the same region, but I was going to say Seneca Wallace. Yeah. Santa Claus might be too good. Yeah.

Both. Yeah. I mean, Seneca Wallace, you know, the strongest thing he has is that he got Iowa State to like within striking distance of the number one spot. And then Iowa State happened. Oh. Oh. Okay. Hang on.

That reminds me because recording a, I mean, I guess this used to be more remarkable because now everybody has garage band. It can do it themselves. But there was a time in which I think recording a rap album as a player would automatically. get you, or really any kind of musical album, would get you into a high ballot consideration for People's Heisman. And to that end, I submit Matt Grohty. Oh, you, I would go ahead. Do y'all remember Matt Grothy's rap? Yes. Okay. I also remember that he used to go get like, he used to go get like 1,500 to 2,000 calories worth of Chick-fil-A after practice every day. That was his thing. And he had to, he, he, he,

needed that to heal your soul after a USF football practice another guy in terms of throwback who would be on here just like two names Malcolm Kelly another important rapper and wide receiver for Oklahoma if you remember him he's the holla at halat me stoops right sitting sideways doing like the best Texas style rap in the locker room after a bowl victory a mod Batman Carol oh god a mod Batman Carol for Arkansas Batman please It's a family name. Yeah, I'm sorry. Batman.

Amad Batman Carroll is also definitely on this list because Amad, Batman, Carol, along with Fred Smoot, they kept notes on exactly how much trash to talk to people on the field and what to tell them. All right. By person, well-researched notes, mind you. That's some Duke basketball energy. It is, but his name was Batman and he played for Arkansas. So that's just going to cancel out the Duke basketball there for me. Arkansas.

Batman is not a thing we've ever explored and I actually don't want to start today. Yes, we have Ozarkham Asylum. Oh, that's right. I'm sorry. I like it because he has a secret lair. Like he has his... All of Arkansas. Arkansas is America's secret layer. Like Fayetteville is Wayne Manor.

And then Little Rock is that's like Razal Ghoul's strongholds or something. Fayetteville is probably full of Waynes. I will give them this. Yeah, middle name Waynes. that's that's the thing you change everything about bruce wayne if you make him bruce wayne robinson right or like jimmy just change his first name to james jimmy wayne

jimmy wayne duder crockett yeah the third crockett's a good one that's an entirely how are we feeling about scooby right yeah contender there's a lot of air is arizona the highest producer of people's Heisman candidates. If I just start naming Arizona players, it really feels like it. As long as I leave like Rob Gronkowski off the list, right? I don't know. I mean, even, like, even Arizona's best players are contenders.

You know what I mean? Yeah, if I said like, Nick Foles. Gron. Willie Tuatama. Right. Scooby Wright, Scooby Wright, who was like a one star, no star recruit who had games where he piled up like, you know, 18 tackles and like five for loss and single handedly destroyed Oregon season.

Yeah, like, entirely possible. I just, I just, I just got past a note. We're to refer to him as Super Bowl better than Tom Brady, Nick Foles. Oh, of course, yes. Just a quick reminder. He has no other nicknames. And by extension, that proves that Arizona is a better school than Michigan. Sorry, this is just, these are notes in being handed.

Is there some sort of bono? point being awarded here for like west coast players because they are on when things are sillier they're on TV and they have you know less viewing competition you're more likely to see these moments like I think that could be a factor here in Arizona and Hawaii getting lots of consideration yeah because they're late night heroes right and like I think it's fine to give them these extra points I mean I don't think that's like a thing to consciously adjust for like I think it's fine. Like, regional bias has been a thing throughout college football history.

So if we want to say that this award is a little bit biased in favor of late-night players, that sounds fine. Are there schools that just, like, won't win a people's? Like, will USC ever give us a people's, or have they given us a people's Heisman? Or somebody like, Judy Smith-Jew-Smither, I would. Yeah, okay, okay. do entire who again is is way up there on the might be too good line but also the the taunting utah players mid play uh i think has to put him under consideration yeah okay that's that's real strong that's an example of my favorite a u s player making the people's heisman list would be a great

example of in in our way of thinking uh that's our version of adversity you know he really overcame playing at a high profile school and being on national television every week to make it into people's size and consideration anyway. I have another. I have another from USC. And that would be Adore Jackson. Remember Adore Jackson? Because like in addition to being a very charming and versatile player, right, who really couldn't rack up enough sort of, he couldn't rack up Like, given the way he played at Corner and then they sort of, they used him on punt returns, right? He couldn't build up enough of a profile to become like a statistically

super significant player in terms of awards, right? But Adoree Jackson also, this is like when he got just, like he got slipped and fell on a route that John Ross, like John Ross faked him on a slant and went deep in 2016, which that happens, right? it happens to good players. The best part is that after that play happened, John Ross on Twitter,

or Adora Jackson on Twitter, reacted with like, LOL, it happens, bro! And then like, you know, crying emoji, crying emoji, it's the little things like that that get you consideration and make you an interesting player at sort of an otherwise, like, excellent football monolith. Yeah, here's another one I would throw out from a big school.

Denard Robinson. Oh. Okay. I think so, I mean, we've agreed Cardale Jones would have been eligible, right? Right. Cardinal Jones would have been a front runner. Yeah. So, like, if Ohio State's eligible, almost everyone is eligible.

Let's go straight to the top here. Yeah. Notre Dame. Oh, Golden Tate. Golden Tate would have been, I think, the best case people's, like, I'm sorry, but it once you're jumping to the Michigan state end. Yeah. So this is another example of that this is actually a great follow-up example because this is another

this is another instance of a player overcoming being at a famous football school to vault himself quite literally in this case into people's highest in consideration. Yeah. I would also maybe include Quentin Nelson in that, but I based that strictly on a series of cut-ups Cole Kublich did of him that was like, it was like 20 snaps of Quentin Nelson taking people's souls on blocks and then just being like a giant old doughboy looking hammer of a man on the sidelines. So I might, I think that's valid. I think, yeah, like that's the equivalent of high stepping on a touchdown, right? He's a, I would have also said Lewis Nicks, mostly because

he gave himself the nickname Irish Chocolat. I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm actually, I'm actually, actually embarrassed. I didn't think of Lewis Nix first because do you guys remember the, I don't think it's up anymore, but do you guys remember the love letter YouTube video he made to Kashi-Golene cereal, which was Louis Nix louis lounging's lounging seductively on what appeared to be a dorm bunk bed, lip-syncing to God bless the broken road while staring at a box of Kashi-Koleen cereal. yeah see you can do this with Notre Dame now a bigger challenge for me because of bigger than Notre Dame yeah no bigger challenge for Notre Dame just because of how restrictive they have been

under Nick Saban is Alabama like can you pick anyone out of Alabama who you would go under Nick Saban specifically well yeah like that's hard right like you can link link um sure you can pick people out of Alabama not well under Saban but I mean who is the deep offensive lineman who designed video games or built his own gaming. Oh, yeah, he built his he built like a gaming rig or whatever. Harriet Jones.

We're forgetting and hang on, we're forgetting some quarterback that ran himself a foul of Nick in that. A.J. McCarran is close. Yeah. No, no, no, no. You're missing. No, we're, I'm forgetting somebody super obvious. Okay. No.

Like, I'm feeling there was, who was, I've I've got this memory of my head of some player running a foul of Satan. Coker. Thank you. Jacob Coker is the odds-on favorite from Alabama for the People's Heisman. Because everyone sort of forgot who he was. He was just this giant.

Remember, he came in in a crisis because when Alabama lost to, I believe that was Ole Miss the second time. The starter was Cooper Bateman. Cooper Bateman. Cooper Batman. Yeah. And, and. I like how we still have these call-in responses.

that are like muscle memory. Copper, bab, man. That still live in here. But he came in, Jacob Coker came in and didn't have a clue what was going on and it was great. Because in lieu of actually knowing where to throw the ball, he just decided to either hurl it deep

or try to run over or get killed. Like that was his plan for the first three games as a starter. And yet, eventually beat Deshaun Watson in the national title game. right so jacob koker's an example of a guy who was really good and ultimately won something but i think you could still put there he also wins because if you have seen the video that somebody did of a key and peel skit where uh baroque obama is code switching with handshakes and daps um and they did it with alabama quarterbacks and i think any of the ones who get the daps you can put in as

like potential people people's heism like blake sims i think i think there's like massive affection toward Blake Sims among Alabama fans. I think Jacob Koker is in there as somebody that they feel super affectionate towards. These are guys who don't get mentions because they didn't get in the NFL, right? That doesn't apply, by the way, that rubric doesn't apply to all Alabama quarterbacks.

In that video, the one guy who gets stiffed, it's Greg McElroy. When, you know, like he walks right by somebody trying to shake his hand. It's labeled Greg McElroy. Throwback Alabama player, People's Eyesman for an entire, different reason, but I think it's to be included.

Tyrone Pro Throw. Yeah, 100%. Also, I was going to give you... Just because, Jesus, we've got to give that a trophy for a living. Man, we're missing an obvious one here. Now, Stabler, Kenny Stabler, I think, is also a double candidate for actual, you know, like awarded excellence, and then, you know, NFL success, but also People's Heisman contender. There's one guy who's not, but who was a good quarterback at Alabama, but is still in

coaching. That is Freddie Kitchens. Freddie Kitchens Like just because one Say his name with a thick accent He's still in coaching He's a goddamn NFL head coach Is he?

Yes Wait No He's with the Browns It's the joke He's the head coach Yeah the Browns are not a shitty team You're not

You take that shit to PAPN right I'm going to quote you Two things that have been said Or written today That I'm just going to hang on to for future use. One, the Cleveland Browns aren't a shitty football team

and two, Hugh Freeze uses Liberty as safe harbor from scandal, right? There, I'm just going to take those two things. I'm going to put them in the fridge and guess what? They're going to keep for a while. I'm going to use them when I need to. Okay?

This is recorded testimony and it is happening. The other team that I was like, who is not fun and who has been really good that would be very difficult to pull a People's Heisman out of, right? For me personally, that's Florida State, right? Historically, really good football team, recent history accepted.

And who would I pick out of Florida State as being like an actual interesting fun player who I would not regard as like, you know, a mortal enemy? Devante Freeman. Yeah, he's fun. Like, he's fun. I was trying to think of players from Florida State who were fun. Who took the most shoes? That'd be...

Because that's definitely the most fun I've ever had with Florida State. That'd be Peter Ward. Who was an awesome college player? Like, he's almost... Who deserved the duffel bags of cash that were tossed his way. This verges on... This probably is in the too good category, but Jalen Ramsey. Oh, yeah.

You know what? Jalen Ramsey has... I'm kind of over the two good idea. Like, I don't think that matters. No, that's just adversity that has been overcome on their board. Yeah, he's good enough that it doesn't matter. He's good. Jaylon Ramsey, if anything, has made a retro.

Jaylon Ramsey might be the NFL people's size. Yeah. Also, work done. Yeah, no, work done is 100. Like, work done, like, I don't, like, yeah, you give him whatever award you want. Work done rules. A Florida player who, if I had to pick, like, people's champ, going way back, Reed L. Anthony, because Reedell Anthony, one, was not scared of anyone, including people he should have been scared of.

And two, celebrated a touchdown on national television by pulling out an imaginary shotgun and then emptying it into the Alabama secondary. After scoring a TD on them. And in the SEC championship game. Perfect. Yeah. I was thinking about how Tennessee is such an unfun football program in general. but every season, there's not a season in recent memory that I can't think of having a very strong candidate out of there. I mean, we're Sean Galden, my God. I mean, Holly, y'all have a...

I mean, we have Tyler Bray, who should probably be some kind of saint. Can we name the trophy after him? You also have Aryan Foster. If you have a running back, a starting running back, who conducts an entire interview as a dinosaur? He's a people's-heasman candidate. I got like I was you're underrated for weirdos no this is what I was just thinking like we have this reputation as as being just like this staid cranky Michigan state type football payment but the more the further I think back the more I'm pulling them I'm Inky Johnson man yeah Enky Johnson um I was thinking John John Henderson John Henderson would be my top one in addition to just being like no I was speaking of the part of when in free games when he would climb into the student section and lead chance of blood makes the grass grow? Yeah. Just a big old psychotic grizzly of a man.

Right? Real sweet dude. Like real cool. Oh, he's precious, but not a game time. Yeah. Derek Barnett, the guy who I was like, that is, that dude is not physically gifted. Nothing about him scares me. And yet there are nine of him.

How did he do that? I think, I think, like, he's the only player I know of who could actually teleport because I never actually saw him, like, out of position. but I never really saw him run. I have no idea he did that. It was a very button-mashy style of football. Yeah, Tennessee is, that actually maybe be the best descriptor because the next play I was going to mention

was the time our starting quarterback ran into his own goal post and concussed himself in an SEC championship. Did that against LSU too, right? Sure did. Yeah. Sure did. I would also consider Josh Dobbs and Alvin Kamara, the latter because if you...

The latter because he was. benched for most of the time. Well, the latter because if you, say you have an award called the people's Heisman and say that means the people are literally in charge. If the people in charge of Tennessee, they would have given him the ball. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. No, I think Tennessee actually, we hit a rich seam. We hit like. That might be the only reason that I still pay attention to the team at all, although I no longer go to games or give them money. Yeah. Let me give you, I just want to give you two more, including one that's like in memoriam and it's very important.

Jared Lorenzen. Yes. Jared Lorenzen at Kentucky would have won the People's Highman. I think we should name the trophy after him this year. That's a, man, the Lorenzen trophy? Yeah.

That's a strong suggestion. Our attorney, Ryan Nanny, will figure out how to do that without estate matters, I guess. Yeah. I'm going to put butt on that. Yeah, we have to make sure. And the only other one that I thought

was man, like super productive, like a really interesting player and yet like at a team that where I have a hard time pulling those guys. I think it's another another in-memorium, Stanley McClover at Auburn, because he was a guy who was a very productive lineman is no longer with us and did an entire interview where he talked about his mortal fear of frogs. Oh, this is where I have to return to another Tennessee player because how could We forget Eric Barry's fear of horses. So that's a little tip for any,

for any aspiring people's Heisman finalists. Have an animal fear. Disclose a confusing animal fear. If you say, not just fear. Right. Like, you can't just say, I'm scared of sharks.

Like, that doesn't mean anything. Well, I think either a fear or the other way. Like, Ed Oliver would have gained a lot of points, as would have Devin White for owning horses. Right, right. But, like, go on, in an interview,

I'm scared of tilapia. Okay, now we're talking. If you say that or you say, I own, that's a lapia farm. That's also fine. Except that might get you to NCAA trouble, hard to say. Who is the player who is literally a chicken farmer? I can't. Vaughn Miller.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Vaughn Miller. Von Miller's a consideration for sure. Von Miller and Ed Oliver both are, could have won both. Texans have a natural advantage here. Are you naturally encouraged to be larger than life? Are you agricultural adjacent? I'm building my own space shuttle. Self-funded.

Are you smarter than you should be, but in kind of a weird way? Right? Like Vaughn Miller, yeah, man, I'm a scientist. Cool. A poultry scientist? All right. Now we're talking. Better.

Even better, y'all. who is i was thinking about players who might have won their way into the circle through fashion who is the miami quarterback from a couple years back jacori harris jacori harris yes jacori harris was actually i feel bad saying this was too bad to be no but his outfits i know but the problem was jacori harris like i'm pretty sure if you were to uh go see like what gets filled out in google next to him arm punt is going to be on there like you can't you can't that's in his favor here i disagree i think it's just too too much of a like lasting memory of like all right spencer we have two yays and a nay what's

your up or down i think he was too bad oh i know or okay we're going to let floyd decide but i am hang on guys hang on there's five of us we need to have the fifth man vote brian Damn it. The other problem with the other problem with Tacora Harris' candidacy is that in the same way that Jason's saying the West Coast players get this kind of inadvertent bump because they

play at night and they play weird games, whatever. Like if you play at Miami, you really have to go above and beyond to stand out at Miami. I don't know. I feel like he gets the Thursday night bump because Miami was on Thursday every week during his tenure. Oh, God.

That's true. I have one case that I think really bolsters Jason's insistence that excellence in both the pros and in college is not necessarily a disqualifier or even a factor that we should consider. And it's this. Rex Grossman. Dion Sanders. Brandon Cox. Marr-Marshon Lynch. Because Marshawn Lynch This is the amazing thing about Marshawn Lynch Marcia Lynch was As much of a college football type College football player as you could want Right

He was the guy who leaned back And told the crowd like Hey this line's doing work y'all I'm taking them all the sizzler The injury cart incident Which has since been memorialized In a bubblehead Yeah

Wait, has it really? Yeah, Cal gave it away last year, two years ago, something like that. Yeah, and how did he enter the field for that glorious occasion on a cart with his mom? Oh. That's right. And just in case he couldn't be cooler, right? He was the guy who... This past year, we saw Marshall Lynch at the Super Bowl when he came to, when he came to Atlanta this year.

Where did he do his autograph signing at the West End Mall Athletes' foot? That's right, with the people. Has a great cameo on Brooklyn 9-9. Yeah. Oh, he does. Danced with the cheerleaders after touchdowns, often with the ref begging him not to. Like the refs in the background, like,

dude, don't make me throw the flag. Please, please, sir. Please. They're just trying to shove him. Like, don't make me. This is fun. Stop. And the cheerleaders also shocked.

Pleased, but shocked to see Marshawn doing their routine with them. on the sidelines but also like as cool in the pros right like he only became more marshon like what are like rare instance of that happening so i think like obvious people's heisman choice is marshawn lynch and that kind of defeats the whole like too talented argument now i wanted to close this though with this um did we forget anybody who should go on the watch list this year because like Cole McDonald clear frontrunner it's we haven't seen week one's games yet it's way too early to say yeah I almost I almost think a watch list um is impossible for this award because a lot of it in many of these cases not all it's situational

and surprise dependent yeah exactly in a lot of these cases these are players we're talking about like Joel Lanning's a great example no you you would not have entered that year thinking the most interesting or intriguing or delightful player is going to be an Iowa State quarterback who converts to linebacker and becomes the team's leading tackler. You wouldn't have been able to predict that. I think Spencer, like what you'd be looking at there is like a list of 2018's considerations who are still around, right?

Right. Correct, correct. You would look for people. Like, let's see what Rishon Golden does this year. Yeah. He's punching footballs loose in the pros. he's since gone viral with his mighty violent hands again i mean i know i know one returning starter who is definitely a top five watch list people's heisman candidate and one very close to your

heart jason yeah well it's joe borough oh right right we spent many minutes talking about Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's, so he's also on there as somebody who is like definitively on the watch list. I can't think of anyone else who is super obvious. But yeah, we'll watch. We will watch. Yeah, I guess we should watch football. Yeah, that's kind of our job. Yeah.

The other thing that I wanted to ask is, do we have any names that won't get us sued sitting right here before we take it to the people, which we're going to take it to the people? but any that we want to get off our hearts before we begin that for for the award itself yes for the award itself i'm i'm i'm not confident i think that's for later in the season okay let's hang on i offer my one idea there yeah just just to throw it out we see no way of stopping you i mean you could just press stop there's a button called stop it would stop me no now the people listening to this podcast know that they have that button too. God damn it! You've ruined us!

I think it would be fine to name the award after a particularly accomplished NCAA 14 creative player. And I think if anyone out there has a player who truly fits the bill, I think the shutdown

full cast account would like to hear about this player. Maybe we'll use one of these names. Maybe we won't. No one else on this on this recording needs to actually look at these because I see them, you know, so they won't clog your mentions, just mine.