Shutdown Fullcast - BLOOD WEEK HISTORY: Thanksgiving Blood Soup

Episode Date: November 27, 2019

We continue our review of historical blood weeks with a trip to Thanksgiving Week, 2010. Ralph Friedgen was still at Maryland. Mike Stoops was still at Arizona. Dabo and Clemson went 6-7! These were d...ifferent times, but that does not mean there was an absence of ranking upheaval, even if it cost us one of our best shots at a non-power making the BCS Championship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. The forecast this week, blood. The forecast forecast forecast? The forecast forecast forecast, again to repeat, blood. Everybody enjoy Thanksgiving. The forecast is blood. Blood. Your weird uncle is bringing blood soup. Blood from a turkey, blood from a ham, and blood from your dirty thieving rivals across
Starting point is 00:00:29 town and or the state that's correct so blood week episode and might i say the blood week episode on the internet's only college football podcast remember a banner society we cover the entire sport the past the present the future sometimes all at once northwestern northwestern which exists in both the past present and potentially the future we are we are the doctor manhattan of college football podcasts, except we wear clothes usually. Usually. But Jason introduces us to the concept, to those who may not know it, but to our hardcore, tell everybody what we're going to be doing today here at this fine banners
Starting point is 00:01:10 society.com production. So this is one of the last in a series to be recorded on the concept of Blood Week, which is a week in the college football situation when all of the ranking. don't mean shit. The number one team goes down. Number nine team goes down and everything else is going haywire. These are the weekends you live for. Uh, and we are now at Thanksgiving time, rivalry week time. My single personal favorite point in the entire college football calendar, I don't know about y'all. Uh, Spencer, you get to beat, uh, beat FSU these days. That's pretty fun. Hey, I'll take that anyway. Uh, Vols and Vandy is probably a thing best.
Starting point is 00:01:53 left not discussed i don't i don't know what you're talking about i mean i as that doesn't look like anything to me they play in basketball right this time of year uh yes oh no wait conference play is later in that's in that sport as a lifelong college basketball fan i apologize it turns out men can play basketball which is a thing i'm always reminded of this time of year i need to see film i'm suspicious yeah no it's true this is also the time of year when college basketball teams are playing like made up credit unions and you know they're playing like Benedictine Kansas you know or like Florida International Universe who would lose to that who would lose the Florida International University that's not a real school I could I could do with a
Starting point is 00:02:40 Benedictine credit union frankly I don't even know if a loss of Florida international is sanctioned under domestic law much less international law it's okay the cane slander will get worse I think after this past weekend, we kind of have to put up with Florida International victories for a while. Unless we get throat-slashed by a special teamer. Goodness. So we're going to run through the majority of one season's Thanksgiving Blood Week, which sounds protein-filled, at least. You're getting a lot of protein in that turkey. But we're also going to run through a couple others that don't quite rank as the bloodiest Thanksgiving ever in college football history.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I want to start us off with 1942. Spencer, you remember it well, of course. Yep, 1942. It was the year you got your first paper out. It was. It was the year I started trapping. Spent furrs. Spencer was back home from the war.
Starting point is 00:03:38 That's the best. Yeah, I'm trapping. What? Peltz. Your favorite trapper's favorite fur trapper. And we're back to poor peltz. so in 1942 speaking of the ongoing war let's start with some hot
Starting point is 00:03:53 I love this one of my very favorite blood weeks of all there's only three games that really make it as a blood week usually you're going to want more like five or six or seven big upsets that's kind of be pretty powerful every single one of these is a fucking all-timer Georgia pre-flight not even one of the best pre-flight scored 35 points
Starting point is 00:04:11 the team which was at home in this game was number seven in Alabama, suffering a loss to Georgia pre-flight, which would stop playing football a year or two later. Bama would go 0-3 this year against teams from Georgia and 8-0 against teams from everywhere else. And Georgia pre-flight, you know, Iowa pre-flight
Starting point is 00:04:36 is one of the best programs of the era. Also, Del Monte, St. Mary's, and some airfields and marine bases. They lost to pineapples. Yeah. Georgia pre-flight is not the pre-flight you want to lose to, Fama. Also, at the same time this week, number five, number two, Georgia Tech, all right? So, again, things are off the rails. Georgia Tech is number two.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Score zero points. The team defeating them with 34 points is Georgia. Georgia goes on to win the Rose Bowl. Would have a pretty good national title case, and frankly, I think they should claim it. But the AP picked Ohio State. that brings us to one of the biggest upsets of all time if you took the names of the teams off of the scoreboard
Starting point is 00:05:27 this might be the number one upset of all time five four and one holy cross finished number 50 in SRS ratings even counting this game 55 points number one Boston College 12 what Boston College was days away from a national title and got destroyed by Holy Cross.
Starting point is 00:05:50 Ah. Happens to the best of us. Apparently, at least in 1942, I guess. So that's pretty good shit. We have a much more recent one, 2017. This one has already fallen within the jurisdiction of this program. But quite arguably, one of as many as four blood weeks from that season. This season was actually awesome, it turns out.
Starting point is 00:06:15 That's how you wind up with, like, you know, the number four playoff team is someone that everyone is mad about. Thanksgiving night, a 6-and-6 Ole Miss beats the number 16 Mississippi State in the most egg bowl, egg bowl of all time. You had recruiting spite and finger-pointing, leading to literal finger-pointing. There were middle fingers.
Starting point is 00:06:33 There were waves at Dan Mullen by players on the field. There was end-zone P. Yeah, virtual end-zone P, we think. Probably, yeah. Yeah. This has followed a day later. by five and seven Pittsburgh Panthers, defeating number. The most dangerous team in college football, a five and seven pit team.
Starting point is 00:06:54 Number two, Miami, you dipshit, you went to Pitt on Black Friday. There were like seven people there, including Alex Kirchner. Can I tell you this? On Black Friday, Pitt's handing out deals on ass weapons, right? You can catch them all day for half price. I mean, look at, type out five and seven. on your phones or wherever you are right now, it looks like a gun.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. See? You should have seen it come in Miami. Miami. Pitt alone. Pit alone at 5 and 7 should have been a sign that things, you probably shouldn't have shown up.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Miami has since solved that problem. Well, yeah. In re showing up. Miami's 10 and 0. The U is back, right? We all swore the U was back. Miami's record since. Do we have any guesses? Let's set it at, let's set 500 over or under.
Starting point is 00:07:54 I'm going to go under. 375. Okay. Miami came in at 10.0. Miami is 13 and 14 since Daring to play Pitt. Pit broke Miami. Who? They caught that, they caught that, you know, thick cut, fry, flu.
Starting point is 00:08:12 The promanti pox. Yeah, the Primanti's Pox. They say it's going around. Also, the reason we thought Miami was back was because Miami had beaten Notre Dame. That always is sustainable and meaningful. Notre Dame would lose by 18 to a lower-ranked Stanford in this week. Also, we had a number 15 Washington beating a number 14 Washington State. Now, that does not alone sound all that meaningful.
Starting point is 00:08:38 It's only one spot. And also, as history shows, when Wazoo is higher-ranked, Washington will probably win. We have a post on the website, banners society.com, about the most chaotic rivalries. And the Apple Cup appears almost entirely because the big bully
Starting point is 00:08:54 beats Washington State. It's very sad and tragic. Whenever Washington State is actually good, that is when Washington decides to act like a little guy. That is when Washington knucks up hardest, right? Yeah. That is when they decide,
Starting point is 00:09:10 ah, aristocracy has been threatened. Yeah, that's when Washington is like, They're trying to tax my capital gains. I'm running for president now. They're trying to tax my sailboat. So, yeah, they do have boats, those bastards. It's true. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 00:09:24 We're out here with our hills. They got a whole ocean. We're out here sailing the lentil fields. Fancy purebred dogs and Microsoft and yachts. Then they go out there and there's a mangy cougar in them lentil fields. Just wait until the volcano tsunami shows up. That's the wazoo uprising. This feels bad because it.
Starting point is 00:09:43 could happen any day now. I'm sorry. Yeah. Oh, no. Oh, shit. Jason. Listen, if the volcano blows, don't blame me. It was going to happen anyway. Sure, buddy. I didn't do it. So the reason this one makes the cut as a blood wheat game is the margin. Washington 41. Was it a 14. What's that mean? They got. They got palindromed. Yeah. Yeah. They got palindromed. That's never good. Which there are, there are humiliating.
Starting point is 00:10:13 ways to lose. For instance, Roger Sherman has coined the term Fettywopped, right, for a specific kind of loss. What kind of loss? I believe that's where you lose 3817, right? Then there is the palindroming where you lose by 4114 or 5115. This is a favorite in Tennessee. It is a big favorite. And this is also one of a Florida favorite. Florida has done the 4114, a couple of different times and it is it is a delight every time it's never good for your team if you're on the reverse end of a palindroming generally speaking it's bad 32 23 even yeah 10 to 1 is as good as it can get and you only got one this is the only college football podcast in which i have to duck out for a minute to look up who is at risk from volcanic eruptions in washington state
Starting point is 00:11:06 on the usGS website answer everyone yeah pretty much wow sorry Except for those fancy Washington Huskies out on their boats. Yeah, Mount St. Helens got backup dancers. Is Eastern Washington fine? Maybe they are the sole survivors. They already got a red field. How can you hurt them? I will say this.
Starting point is 00:11:31 If there's a way to lose in this scenario, Washington State will find it. Wow. Yeah. That's the simplest solution. Also, in this bloody Thanksgiving of 2017, unranked Fresno State beat Boise State. This did not matter a whole lot because Boise got revenge a week later
Starting point is 00:11:48 in the contest title game. Also not mattering a lot, Auburn won the Iron Bowl. So this was a week where basically nothing that happened that was bad actually mattered all that much except for Miami. So thank you, Miami,
Starting point is 00:12:03 for bearing all the burdens of the rest of us. This brings us to the greatest Thanksgiving Blood Week in the history of college football. T-10. See, Auburn, things are looking up already. And for, I think, better dramatic storytelling than we've done on these before, I usually set it up where it's like, let's start with a good game and then sort of peter out.
Starting point is 00:12:25 We will go in reverse order, which means we will start with Holly. What game do we have here? Unranked Minnesota versus number 24 Iowa. This is a very Iowa-type Iowa team. They finished 8 and 5. They beat number five, Michigan State, 37 to 6 in Kinnock. They lost by a point to Wisconsin in a game where the badgers would pull out a fake punt to stun Iowa, who would never pass up a wholesome American punt.
Starting point is 00:12:55 The betrayal. Oh, I know. They almost beat Ohio State in a 2017 loss at home that almost turns into a classic Hawkeye upset. And then they ran into the buzz saw that was 3 and 9 Minnesota. The very, very weird thing making them different than other Iowa teams is losing to this Minnesota team, a team that fits a nine-game losing streak into the 2010 season. The 2010 gophers lost two, FCS South Dakota, no shame there, NIU, and a four-and-eight Purdue team. Minnesota fires Tim Brewster on October 17th. and from then on are operating as zombie gophers.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Now, let me just chime in here with this. You'll think, oh, man, didn't those gophers just rip off like, oh, man, they fire their guy. They went like three and one or four and oh down the stretch. Nope, nope, went two and two, y'all. Just kind of, which, considering that they were in the middle of, you know, the nine-game losing streak, not too bad. I could call this a half-life. The zombie gophers rush for 216 yards against Iowa. The most the Hawkeyes defense will allow all year.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Iowa only has two more yards than that of total offense or a total of 218 yards total yards are a terrible stat but they're extremely funny somehow they don't collapse after Iowa takes a 2420 lead in the fourth quarter Minnesota comes back to win 2724 Iowa finishes unranked even after beating
Starting point is 00:14:34 Missou in the insight pole So this is just imagine Iowa clinging to the ledge of being ranked right like nope I'm part of this Minnesota grabs their legs on their fall on the way down and they never get back
Starting point is 00:14:48 on that ranked train y'all Jason I believe you had another unranked ankle biter in the holster I just noticed two funny things about 2010 Minnesota according to the wiki when they won the Floyd of Rosedale
Starting point is 00:15:01 the pig trophy back from Iowa quote the greatest rivalry trophy this was the first trophy game win for the govers since before Brewster took over. I had forgotten all about this. Minnesota's vast trophy case was just empty. Well, I think we figured out what the problem was.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Hey, speaking of rivalry trophies, bannersociety.com, maybe Thursday or so. Also, Jeff Horton, who took over as the interim for Tim Brewster. Ever since then, he's been running San Diego State's offense, which, oh, San Diego State is like, San Diego State is basically competent Northwestern, so... Yeah. So, wait, he basically took his...
Starting point is 00:15:43 He's ported his lifestyle wholesale to Orange County. Yes, yeah. Well done. Yeah, he's turned San Diego State into interim Minnesota. Yeah. If you want to watch... If you want to watch Flatbill Cap, Georgia, just watch San Diego State. We should do all boring team playoff.
Starting point is 00:16:04 I mean, we're getting there with this shunning... of Utah, but I'm going to talk about it. All right, all right, we'll talk about it on Sunday. So also in 2010, we had slightly higher in the rankings, we had an unranked Maryland beating number 21, NC State
Starting point is 00:16:20 31. Russell Wilson throws four touchdowns on the day, but he is outduled by instant ACCC legend Danny O'Brien. Remember this guy? I do. He was amazing for a year. Yeah. He was going to... What a turtle. He was going to change the entire fortune of Maryland
Starting point is 00:16:36 and then he and Russell Wilson would both transfer to Wisconsin. Danny O'Brien. Wait, do you think they like, do you think they like met and just became BFFs at that game? I think so. They were like, hey, I threw four touchdowns. I'm going to Minnesota or Wisconsin. How about you? Yeah, me too.
Starting point is 00:16:55 Yeah. Danny O'Brien, of course, eventually replaces Mac legend Jordan Lynch in the CFL. Jordan Lynch's head coach at NIU was Dave Doran, bringing us back to Into State. Why did we want to end up there? Well, we will make it. We ended up back at NC Stone. Oh, shit. Keep driving.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Keep there. Okay, let's keep driving, Ben. If NC State had beaten Maryland in this game, this is a 10-win top 20 Wolfpack team, the second best NC State team of our collective lifetimes. Is there a chance if you're in the top 20 that Tom O'Brien and Russell Wilson work it out, that Russ does not transfer to Wisconsin? In that case, 21 Wisconsin, Wisconsin,
Starting point is 00:17:36 without Russell Wilson does not win the big 10. Does Burt still get the Arkansas job? If Bert doesn't pull all that off, does his coaching tree lack some bona fides? If so, this takes some shine off his former assistant coach Dave Doran. And now we're, shit, we're back at NC State again. Are you telling me that Brett Beelan's coaching tree is watered with the milk of the blood of Tom O'Brien?
Starting point is 00:18:00 Tom O'Brien's blood is milk, so yes, definitely. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Skin milk. It is skim milk. Yeah. This brings us to, does this take us to Bedlam? I believe it does in which, hey guys, you know what they say about Bedlam? Anything can happen in Bedlam, but especially Oklahoma winning.
Starting point is 00:18:23 That's not a good version of the joke. Or except Oklahoma State winning. Jason, you do the joke. You do the joke, Jason. So what I had written down is the note was anything can happen in Bedlam. Number 14, Oklahoma can win at number 10 Oklahoma State. And, you know, it has better, Oklahoma can win by one, Oklahoma can win by 80, so on and so forth. I was just trying to, yeah, I was just trying to do the online thing.
Starting point is 00:18:48 Bedlam, 2010, in which number 14, Oklahoma, beat number 10, Oklahoma State 47 to 41, to create a three-way tie atop the big 12 south. Kids, ask your parents. Oklahoma State heading into this game was 10 and 1 with just the one lost to Nebraska and favored somehow like they didn't know this is Edlam Oklahoma was an underdog
Starting point is 00:19:17 after two horrible road losses road losses to Mizzou and Texas A&M, Big 12 kids, ask your parents Oklahoma State did have Brandon Whedon and Justin Blackman. There was a reason for real that they were favored and it's mostly these
Starting point is 00:19:33 guys. Landry Jones is is all over the place here. He throws two interceptions in the first half on balls. He was trying to throw away. He throws another one that goes for a pick six. And then, Joan throws an 88-yard touchdown and a 76-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter to pull ahead and beat the Cowboys, all part of a fourth quarter where they combined 40-point finish. This being Bedlam, it did not work out for Oklahoma State. Oklahoma forced a three-way tie, as I said, top of the big 12 South, got the tie breaker. made the Big 12 championship game, beat Nebraska this time.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Oklahoma State had to settle for beating the daylights out of Arizona in the Alamo Bowl. This is Landry Jones' like finest hour, and it's also his worst hour. Landry Jones throws like three of the worst passes you will ever see in the first half of this game. It is not kind to him to watch the first half. The second half, he looks like a god, like an incredible golden god. This is one more example, by the way, of Oklahoma State not only benefiting from this, because Oklahoma State ends up in a three-way tie. The most Oklahoma thing possible in this rivalry is not only to take their weakest team, right,
Starting point is 00:20:48 in years under Bob Stoops, and somehow managed to, again, screw the Cowboys out of something, right? They didn't even get them into a direct tie with a tie-brick here. It was like, I had Nebraska's over there just sort of, or A&M's over there, just middle and about. also by the way peak A&M and that they end up in a three-way tie for this and don't win right that they have a kind of mediocre year anyway but they're like we're technically
Starting point is 00:21:13 there's a lot of that in A&M's history right like technically we were invited to that party we didn't want to go technically my gun's a clergyman yeah we're there see look we're there there's me there's Drake and there's JZ yeah that's because they're on the stage together
Starting point is 00:21:30 and you're at the concert we're all the same building okay? I didn't want to be on stage. Yeah. They were afraid of these bars. I don't like the altitude. I don't trust it. I like that the reward for this is basically getting to play Yukon. What a prize. Like free Fiesta Bowl victory. Free tickets, actually.
Starting point is 00:21:52 The Friestable. Free trip to Glendale. Free trip to Glendale. Okay, you're making it sound worse. Let's go back to free Fiestable victory. But this was peak Fiesta Bowl era still. So like... Yeah, this was John Junker. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Oh, yeah, you get the good party. Get that golf. You stay over on Saddleback Mountain, right? You stay at the nice little junket that they got set up. You get all of the freebies in the corporate boxes. You get John Junker just, I don't know, writing you a check for showing up. John Junker's like, right, we're going to get tattoos together. This is the best night of my life.
Starting point is 00:22:26 Firing guns, popping bottles. When the Fed showed up, did they do something like, I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving! You have to pry me out of the Fiesta Bowl. I came for the golf. I stayed for the golf. Bury me with my golf. And my blazers.
Starting point is 00:22:46 We've got to become corrupt bowl officials. That's how this all must end up. Hashtag Baner Society New Mexico Bowl. We will turn the New Mexico Bowl into a crime ring. No sweat. Yeah, three easy steps. One, be a bowl game. you're already 33% of the way there uh 2010 Thanksgiving Blood Week weekend we have
Starting point is 00:23:11 three games to go we've we've had all this excitement with three whole games to go what's next year is it Arkansas LSU oh it's me again hello number 12 Arkansas versus number six LSU boys I know that we are we are staging this episode that it can be enjoyed by our brothers and sister and out there in the world for many weeks and months to come. But does anybody want to review real quick what just happened in Arkansas and LSU? Would that be Ed Ogeron basically refusing to acknowledge Arkansas as FBS? That and them leaving the rivalry trophy behind.
Starting point is 00:23:53 I have an alternate theory on why they left it behind. That shit's heavy. It is huge. It's real heavy. It's a terrible trophy, but it's also the second week in a row that they, that LSU has left a rivalry trophy on the field. Is this an excuse for me to say... Coach Kondo?
Starting point is 00:24:08 Yes. Yes, it is. Maybe coach run out of space in the storage unit. All right. Number 12, Arkansas, and number six, LSU. The finest hour of the deeply underrated Canile Davis. 30 rushes for 152 yards, one touchdown. The finest hour of the also deeply underrated, underrated er.
Starting point is 00:24:32 Joe Adams. Hell yes. A year after having a stroke, Adams catches a pass on fourth and three and goes 39 yards for a score. The man he beats on that pass is Tyran Matthew. Wow. Arkansas did not get this one cheap or easy. The finest hour, I think we can all agree, of Ryan Mallet.
Starting point is 00:24:53 The much maligned by us, transfer quarterback has his big moment, threw for 320 yards, which is almost as long as, Ryan Mallet himself is tall, and three touchdowns in a game where LSU never led, and Jordan Jefferson fumbled away LSU's last chance on their one-yard line with a minute to go. This part at least should be a little familiar. The finest tower also, perhaps, of Bobby Petrino, since this is actually his signature win at Arkansas. Yeah, there's like two great things that Bobby Petrino did as a college coach. One, he insisted that Lamar Jackson was a pocket quarterback.
Starting point is 00:25:31 he did he worked offense around him but he is the guy he insisted after he had him fielding punts that one time when he was a freshman and Lamar's mom called him and that's his mom and all his family called and left so many messages on his phone that Bobby Petrino became a staunch believer in Lamar Jackson pocket quarterback correct you know let's let's you know don't care he's a little late to the party but it's a brace that he showed up at all don't care how you get there as long as you get there right the second thing he beats this spoken like a man on a motorcycle is spoken like that's right that's right banged up, but I'm still here for the press conference.
Starting point is 00:26:05 What are we talking about? Anyway, yes. We're talking about my sugar bowl hat is what we're talking about. Which, by the way, which sugar bowl are we talking about? The sugar bowl that he gets to by going for it on fourth and three, by beating this LSU team and by taking them all the way to said sugar bowl, where they get that gear that he later wears at his precious press conference and where against Ohio State, they give Jim Tressel an actual win.
Starting point is 00:26:31 over an SEC team in a big game. God damn it, Arkansas. We all once have to answer for you. They all had a great time, though. Every Ohio State fan I know who went to that bowl game said, Arkansas people are crazy. I really like them. I'm kind of scared of them, but they're cool.
Starting point is 00:26:48 In the way that I always say Michigan and Tennessee fans are analogous to one another, I think that Arkansas and Ohio State kind of are also on the same wavelength. By which I mean, I think their fan base has the same proportion of people who are professional DJs. Very different kind of DJs. No, not that different. Let's, but y'all like honky talk, vodak-a-donk. Hell yes. It's honky-dok, vodank-a-dok, and then you go into like disturbed.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Yeah. It's a remix of Headstrong. You play it right after that. It's amazing. I'm saying. I feel like this was an exchange. of an exchange of hearts and minds in New Orleans. That leaves us with two big games from this week and two of the games of the decade, honestly.
Starting point is 00:27:45 Yeah. Yeah, no, I believe the first one that you have, if I'm correct, is Boise State, Nevada. That's right. Okay. I really, really think there is a point where the Boise State wave breaks. And it's over the course of these two years and two particular games. One is in 2011 when they lose by a point to TCU for their only loss for the year. That's as good as Boise State gets for a really long time.
Starting point is 00:28:16 Chris Peterson kind of, I don't know. I think after a while you just sort of say, I think I've done everything I can here. And after losing by one point to TCU to blow your best shot at kind of national relevance and competing in the BCS, Chris Peterson did more than any coach I can remember to play within the system and get a spot. And this is as far as he got, right? The other big surge and the point where it breaks is here on November 27, 2010 against Nevada.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I remember where I was for this game, and I was not at this game, but I have such a clear memory of watching this fall apart. I was at the Egg Bowl, and I was staying at a professor, friends' house. with a bunch of other people and everyone else had gone to bed and I was the only idiot up watching Boise, Nevada and I remember just sitting there on the couch like cramming my fist in my mouth trying to stop myself from waking the entire house up. It's like, don't you fuck this up? Because Boise State in 2010, Boise State is not an outsider. Boise State is not a dark horse. Boise State is straight up. They're a horse horse. They're a bit, yeah, they're a proper horse horse horse. They're a Mr. Horse and you will call them by the title and
Starting point is 00:29:29 name which they deserve and demand. This was an outstanding football team, one that started the year by beaten number 13 Virginia Tech, straight up, by beaten number 24, Oregon State, straight up by plowing through the rest of their schedule with blowout after blowout after blowout at one point scoring over 40 points for six straight games leading up to a 51-0-0 blowout of Fresno State the week before Nevada. This was finger guns, Boise. This was finger guns Boise, y'all. This was the Boise team that will, I believe, the following year roll up and beat Georgia. Was this Muscle Hamster Boise? This is, yeah, this roster is deep. This roster is talented, and this roster is very comfortable in this system. At this point, Kellynne Moore, quarterback is calling
Starting point is 00:30:22 his own plays. It used to be that Chris Peterson would send in, like, he would send in three plays or he'd send in four plays and, you know, sort of say, hey, you should choose this one. No, Kellyn Moore was so good. Coach his son! He would come in and choose the play himself, call it, call protections. You really didn't know what you were facing on the field with them because he could change the play at any point. Yeah, we've talked before on the show about watching him run this offense at Georgia
Starting point is 00:30:48 or against Georgia in the Chick-fil-A game. And it was like watching Cerebro at work. If you wanted to know how someone ends up being an offensive course. for the Dallas Cowboys at a young age. He's been his own offensive coordinator for a long time and perfectly in mind meld with his head coach. This is an awesome team. All right, Doug Martin at running back,
Starting point is 00:31:08 Austin Pettus and Titus Young at wide receiver, Kellyn Moore. You got a bunch of, like, wax, first, second, and third teamers. Like, this is an outstanding group. And they're coming in against a Nevada team that is 19 and features the best pistol offense that will ever take the field. field anywhere.
Starting point is 00:31:29 Including. At Nevada. Including the NFL. And including at the NFL, although I don't know. Lamar Jackson's like coming close, right? This is a team that features Colin Kaepernick. That's who I was trying to get to with the including. There you go.
Starting point is 00:31:45 Sorry. Our young, angry ostrich himself. Yeah, a startling talent. There's really no other way to say what Colin Kaepernick looked like as a college football player next to almost mortal college football. players right like an angry ostrich which is why we called him angry ostrich tall ran like a bird on fire if i said high profile runner that sort of gets at what we're talking about because he ran he was levitating while he was yeah it's like he was running on a dolly he ran elevated above the ground
Starting point is 00:32:15 he ran at full height is what we're saying you could see him like a parent running across a playground to get a hurt child that was how Colin Kaepernick ran at all times out of the pistol offense this is an where he and running back vital are functioning at like max cute there is no error they made every read right and they beat the crap out of people consistently just drag them up and down the field a rush first offense that still managed to turn capernick into a 3,000 yard passer they were a joy if you wanted something really unique you stayed up late and you watched whack games where nevada would absolutely befuddle people for the entire game.
Starting point is 00:32:59 They take down some serious heads here as well. They end up beating BYU in Provo, 2713 in September, right? They kick everyone's ass in the whack with the exception of a fluky, weird loss on the road at Hawaii on the island. Hawaii tends to be real good on the island, so maybe not that fluky whatsoever. But they drop one to number 19, Hawaii, and then they roll in to face. Boise State, a team that should by all means drag them up and down the field. And that's exactly what happens for a half. At one point, remember this lead, it's an important one, they're up 24-7 at the half.
Starting point is 00:33:41 Boise is cruising. And the last point, before this all begins, is kicked by pre-season Lou Grosha watchlister, Kyle Brothman, who to this point has missed two, two field goal attempts. all year long. Might come in handy later because what happens is that the pistol, the pistol starts bucking. Nevada starts scoring points. Nevada starts running the ball.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Nevada controls this game. There are some comebacks that start with lightning strikes and some that start with quick shots and some that start with fumbles and turnovers. There's none of that here. Nevada just starts submission pounding Boise State into the turf. They end up running for something like 269 yards. in this game. But more importantly, they control how things work.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Kaepernick doesn't have a great game running the ball. He has like 45 yards rushing total. But Vitawa goes off, and they control the ball for 50 minutes out of a total of 75, right, in regulation and OT. They wear Boise State out. That doesn't keep Boise State from getting into position for a potential game-winning field goal, which Kyle Broughtsman misses. and that doesn't keep them from going into OT where Kyle Brotsman has to kick and misses again. He'd miss twice all year
Starting point is 00:35:02 and he misses twice in the span of about 16 minutes for Boise State giving them their only loss. I can't... It was genuinely devastating to watch. It was awful. It was horrible to watch.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Even if you wanted Nevada to win and if you watch the second half of this game... I had no investment in this game. I was just like wrapped. If you watch, like this little moment in college football history is the apex of what we talk about when we talk about the theater and pageantry of this game, but also the kind of teeth grinding anxiety and heartbreak that happens in this moment. Because even if you were like me and watching and could not deny the greatness of Nevada coming back from 2427 to win this game 3431 in OT, you had to feel for Kyle Brotsman because Kyle Brotsman, he misses. he misses bad, and it is the only thing keeping Boise State from making a legitimate claim at at least a BCS slot,
Starting point is 00:36:00 if not the national title, because coming into this game, Boise State, they are ranked four in the BCS. They are ranked third in the AP poll. They are ranked ahead of a lot of the teams that would make claims for a national title and or a shot at the national title later. And instead, they fall back into a mess of one,
Starting point is 00:36:22 lost teams, including Oregon, including Stanford, Wisconsin, and Ohio State. And instead of playing with the big boys and playing for large stakes at the end of the season, Boise State goes on to play in the Vegas Bowl against a derelict Arizona State team. I was at that game. Sam Boyd. Dennis Erickson cried after. He should have. He got his ass beat.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Well, yeah. Hard. Nevada, by the way. Nevada doesn't lose. another game either. This is, this is, this is a moment where things really could have turned for Boise State and it could have cashed in. They get another shot the next year against TCU, who ironically they're competing for the same kind of attention as a non-power-five conference member at the time. They are in the Mountain West, which Boise State will later join. Instead, Boise State
Starting point is 00:37:17 playing in the whack as of 2010. And they miss. And they're going to miss again because they lose by one point to TCU in 2011, eventually leading to Chris Peterson's departure and Boise State's current status as an excellent team that will fall short of being considered not just as a giant killer, but as a giant themselves. I am moved and somewhat sad by the recollection of this moment. I told the story so good, I made myself cry. I know. I know. the glory of the pistol under Kaepernick and Vaitawa a thing not to be replicated
Starting point is 00:37:54 a singular moment that upended Boise State's long arduous climb into the mainstream I had no skin in this game whatsoever and like I said
Starting point is 00:38:09 it was late even in it was Oxford it was late even in Oxford even in central time and I was like curled up this couch wrapped up in somebody else's afghan and i just remember hissing oh no oh no just over and over again i went to the next game i was at boise state utah state yeah and i have never seen i went to the last texas texas a and m game and i've still not seen a fan base as emotionally burdened and
Starting point is 00:38:42 and tormented by a recent memory of failure as those fans going into the stadium because they kicked the crap out of Utah State and it still didn't feel like a victory. The hangover was... Well, Texas disappoints again, huh? You're contagious disappointment. Oh, but Texas fans are known for being so passionate. You're saying, no? I think what sort of was bumming everyone out at the time ended up being correct,
Starting point is 00:39:09 that foreboding feeling that, like, Boise State worked for. six years to get here and that was as close as they'll ever get that was true because this would begin a streak of three straight Vegas Bulls after like Fiesta Bowl became the standard now it's Vegas Vegas Vegas and you this the worst part
Starting point is 00:39:28 about it is this it was not as if you could look at Nevada and say oh you cheaped out you're not supposed to be here they were they were 11 and 1 after this game they were the better like they were arguably the better team. They might have waited to show up until it was 24-7, but they controlled everything
Starting point is 00:39:47 happening in that game every single point at every single matchup. They won it fair and square with the best Nevada team to ever play at the school. And that's just... It's a thing you forget about Blood Week, even when celebrating Blood Weeks. We all got blood. It's just, it's got to be yours or theirs, man. Pick one. It's rough. That one was sad. How about something that's not so sad? Yeah, because what you're seeing here is a product of the inequity of the system, right? That Boise State and Nevada played each other, and on a collision course, only one of them could win on the way towards their pinnacle,
Starting point is 00:40:30 which their pinnacle is for many programs, the letdown, right? What Boise State or Nevada's best outcome is often what we would call a disappointment from heights greater than theirs. For instance, if I told you, oh, Alabama ended up going to the Vegas Bowl, that'd be confusing, right? And considering it good, be like, oh, hey, we had a quarterback drafted. Actually, that would be really good for Alabama. Would be, because that's not really their thing, is it? But if it were Alabama, right?
Starting point is 00:41:02 And they were coming in in 2010, the year we are talking about. And they did go into the Iron Bowl, right? Is that happening for any particular reason? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's definitely happening for a reason, okay? The reason is, we're talking about the 2010 Iron Bowl. Q Cam's theme music. I don't know what Cam get in the theme music is.
Starting point is 00:41:28 I just played the thriller left from Vincent. Well, we... It's thriller. We know Bama had theme music for Auburn in this game. They did! They did, because if you'll remember, Bama before this game Cam Newton embroiled
Starting point is 00:41:43 in controversy even as the season unfolded Cam Newton during pregame warm-ups walks out on the field at Bryant-Denny Stadium or is our friends fond of calling it Brian Denny He Stadium? You can't prove that it's not called that.
Starting point is 00:41:57 I can't. It's true. The man played an architect on film and made it interesting. He's a genius. Name a stadium after it. Anyway, comes out on the field pregame in 2010 at Bryant-Denny Stadium and what is playing
Starting point is 00:42:13 over the loudspeakers that is correct the Steve Miller bands take the money and run which again like Chase Young that's a pretty good Cam Mission statement
Starting point is 00:42:25 It is it is Take the money and run because it's an ongoing investigation Along with They're also playing son of a preacher man They were See I think that's sweet Yeah technically
Starting point is 00:42:36 Technically I know they didn't mean it to be sweet. Sure, sure. Yeah, if not reference, if it's not, by the way, if it's not referencing anyone else's failure, you know, then that's fine. But if it's referencing a recent scandal, I don't know. I'm okay with that. It's fairly entertaining in a way that benefits me personally. This Alabama team, by the way, had already served as a teaching point for Nick Saban and all of the teams to come because this is the team that did bad things.
Starting point is 00:43:06 This is the team that... This is my favorite Alabama team ever. Yeah, it's the best because this is the team... This is the team that lost to South Carolina. This is the team that allowed a less miles offense to score 21 points. Now that you've seen what an LSU offense can do when it's not being coached like it's 1935, you understand how bad 21 points is allowed to a less miles offense, especially in the year 2010.
Starting point is 00:43:32 And this is the team that loses to Steve Spurrier. That doesn't feel right. was it? They didn't lose to Steve Spurge. No, they didn't lose Steve Spurge. They lost to someone very specific. Who did they lose to? For me, the, the emotions are still too tender. I need to go polish my collection of mallswords. That is correct. Until I can, oh, Stephen Garcia, we miss you, buddy. That is correct. Forever the People's Heisman of my heart. They show up to Williams Bryce Stadium and Columbia, South Carolina, and they cough up an epic, 3521 loss to among other people
Starting point is 00:44:07 Stephen Orr, Spurrier and Marcus Lattimore. Marcus Lattimore also has a really big part that's an actual thing. I thought you were adding or to everyone's name, like Stephen or Garcia and Marcus or Lattimore. Marcus or Lattimore.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I don't know Stephen Garcia's little name and I'm going to find it out. So I think with Marcus Lattimore it's Or O-R-E, like, you know, because he's a rock. With Stephen Garcia, it's just... It also says Lattamore. on the end of his name.
Starting point is 00:44:37 Yeah. Yeah, that's true. With Stephen Garcia, it's O.R. Stephen or Garcia, one of the two. Yeah. So to get it straight, though this is remembered, I think, as an underdog Auburn team, Scrabbling. Stephen Garcia's middle name is Glenn with two ends.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Figures. Wow. That's totally a Glenn. How dare you? That says alter ego, sir. But with this, and losing their number one ranking at number 19 South Carolina, and why I will argue is the greatest accomplishment of South Carolina football of all time. It's their first ever win over at number one ranked opponent.
Starting point is 00:45:12 That is correct. Coming in with two losses and coming hot off of a 63-7 win over Georgia State. Georgia State scored in Bryant-Denny. Nine weeks after losing to an NAAA school, only known for hiring Hugh Freeds. I'm glad I teed that up for you. I'm thrilled that moment was able to happen. We did it. a good set, a good spike.
Starting point is 00:45:37 Speaking of sets of spur your data, do we remember how South Carolina ended that season? You know, I do not off the top of my head. Losing the Florida State and the Chick-fil-A bowl, I'm pretty sure. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. After giving up about 30 billion points in the SEC title game. That is correct. What is the peak for South Carolina? We were talking about historical peaks.
Starting point is 00:46:00 Making the SEC championship game. What happened after that? Disregard. Irrelevant. Skip! Skip! Just going to curl up in the corner with my Brazilian rainstick and pretend I'm into Spencer Gifts. So, in this game, Alabama rolls out,
Starting point is 00:46:19 and mean-in-business takes a 24-0 lead in the second quarter. A hapless Auburn defense cannot handle what that brilliant Jim McElwain coordinated offense is throwing at. Oh, God, Jason, why have we in the episode like this? he's going to go on about it. Cam Newton. Cam Newton apparently baffled by all that wizardry Nick Saban's throwing at him. Incomprehensible, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:46:47 I wish you guys could see the gestures he's doing right now. I want you to know they're as spiteful and mocking as possible. Have you been on the octopus ride at a kind of a low market carnival? It's kind of like that. You look like that. Because you know what beats Nick Sabin's huge brain? Better play. Players!
Starting point is 00:47:07 Jesus Christ! Legendary players! Can't nerd your way out of this one, little man. Yelled that way. I get passionate about this. Can I throw a extreme tangent in real quick? Please. So right before this season, Jim McElwain had declined an offer to become San Jose State's head coach.
Starting point is 00:47:28 Probably a good idea, because Alabama's first game this year was against San Jose State. He took one look at the schedule. Do you think that's why you turned it down? Yeah, I'll be staying put, thanks. I want to be on this side, not that side. Yeah. And you know, when I say better players, by the way, ended up beating Alabama that day because Auburn had better players.
Starting point is 00:47:48 I think you mean singular, right? No, no, no, no. I'm talking about timely plays by better players at other positions. I'm not actually talking about Cam Newton. Okay. I'm not. I'm talking about Antoine Carter defense event, because with a 24-0-0 lead
Starting point is 00:48:05 Mark Ingram is streaking down the sidelines with the ball in his hands for what will be a sure touchdown and Antoine Carter catches him and when he catches him he punches the ball out and he fumbles. And Alabama, I don't know. There's just a weird thing where like field goals match up with bad moments in Alabama history. It's nuts. It just keeps happening.
Starting point is 00:48:27 It's nuts, but I love it so much because it's what you think would be the most replicable part of any football game the easiest to reproduce in lab conditions and thus the easiest to perfect, and he can't. So if Ingram scores on that pass, by the way, and Alabama had been passing at will using some weird alignments, one point, Julio Jones goes for an untouched 68-yarder, just nobody near him. It would have been 28-0. And that number might be important later if Antoine Carter had not caught Ingram and punched the ball out and getting a touchback.
Starting point is 00:49:03 And then at that point, guess how many points Alabama scores forward? Three for the rest of the game. Never heard that story before, also, by the way. Alabama just shutting down and not scoring any points. What, Alabama scoring three points? Yeah, they don't tend to be good at that. I love you, Jason. I don't tell you that enough.
Starting point is 00:49:24 Same. At that point, then, Cam Newton gets cranking. Cam Newton will pass for three TDs. He will run for another. At this point, Auburn will score 14 in the third, seven in the fourth. Alabama will wait on its offense for a response, but the punishment adds up for Greg McElroy and guess who's on the other than it. That's right, Nick Fairley.
Starting point is 00:49:46 When you talk about 2010 Auburn as a superb, mean, brutal football team, there are two dynamics that occur every single time they manage to win. One, they come from behind because Cam sort of just like wakes up. I don't know, he's sleepy, comes around in the third. they come from behind an eight out of 12 games that year in the regular season to win. The other thing that they managed to do is this. At one point, Nick Fairley will show up and tune someone up. That's it.
Starting point is 00:50:14 He will cripple somebody. He will injure somebody. He will land on someone who's not supposed to be landed on that way. In this case, it is Greg McElroy. If you're at Lake Martin and you've got a dock sticking out into the lake, well, he's going to pile drive that dock. That is correct. If you wonder who hits your car on the street overnight, it's probably Nick Fairley. Just barreling through your neighborhood, okay?
Starting point is 00:50:33 Not in a car. Not in a car, just Nick Fairley walking down the street. Throwing an elbow. Yeah. Nick Fairley forces a fumble late, killing Alabama's best chance at even staying in this game. The final score as time expires and Cam Newton covers his mouth to indicate him hushing the entire crowd after they have played,
Starting point is 00:50:49 take the money and run on him in Bryant-Denny Stadium at one of the greatest and most justified instances of shit-talking in the history of the SEC is 28, 27. 28 27 if you scored more than three points the rest of the game you might have won but you didn't did you what was cam stat line for that game
Starting point is 00:51:12 can you pull up the full stat line cam stat line for that game is a little while pretty much like not not even that great I think Cam had better games that year sure yeah he threw for three TDs
Starting point is 00:51:27 wild Alabama defense surrendering passing TDs TDs. Who'd have thought that? So he's like, he has 216 yards passing for three TDs and he only rushes for 39 yards on 22 attempts, which says that he was chased a lot. Well, it also says he took the money and ran.
Starting point is 00:51:44 He did take the money and run. And guess what? He did. He did. Because Alabama, even in its only hope in that season and sort of national relevance was to beat Auburn. They couldn't do it. No, could they? What happened the next year? It's not important. What happened two years later? Also not important.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Your winning isn't impressive and no one cares about it, Alabama. Just remember that. War Eagle. It happened. We saw. Everyone saw. Football ended on that day. Oh, AJ McCarran was 0 for 4 that day.
Starting point is 00:52:11 O for 4. Hyesman!

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