Shutdown Fullcast - BOLD MARVEL TAKES, with Steven "Batman" Godfrey

Episode Date: April 23, 2019

This is what happens when you get five people who have spent way too much time watching or rewatching comic book movies and then let them indulge their most polarizing selves. Captain Marvel is a NASCAR movie. Terrence Howard should have stayed as Rhodey! The MCU did Brexit!  Thank you for listening to our college football podcast. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. You know, as the internet's only college football podcast, we've barely talked about spring ball. And I think that I wanted to go over the most important spring game. Because remember, spring is a time of renewal. Spring is a time where we take what is dead and bring it back to life. Spring is a time when we reexamine what it means. what it means to be a member of a team.

And the most important spring game, as we all know, is Avengers Endgame, baby. Yeah. Good save. Yeah. Good save. I thought you were about to talk about football. But you saved it at the end there.

The only way we can break the Bama attendance record. Yeah. I just turned it. I mean, do you think I was going to discuss how impressive it was that Miami got 9,100 people to go to Orlando? No. Because the American Association of Cardiologist, does that like twice a year please and they have money unlike miami since we are the world's

only college football we are joined tonight by stephen godfrey who uh he writes about college football he writes about NFL writes about the NBA um godfrey do you podcast at all i'm glad to be here no that's my first one cool two lies very uh happy to be here it's um very professional and uh i just hope i do a good job what would a bad job on this we've been disappointed in you before what would a bad job be on the shutdown forecast um clear audio and salient thought i was going to say the first live show audio oh which to be clear was recorded by professional we hit we actually that's that was godfrey wasn't that godfrey's last appearance on this show I think so, yeah, I think so

The first live show audio does sound like one of those A&E shows with the paranormal investigation There's very clearly a dead body Or some sort of Native American burial ground It's true Norwegian black metal, bro Yeah, that's it None more brutal

Little did you know we had Wait, Jason taught me this How do you say brutal with a V again? Brutiful Brutteel It's just an implied oom lot Little did you know We hit an infinity stone in that live show audio.

No one will ever find it. No one will dare. Oh, is it the one where we get to kill somebody? Those are all of them. I think it's definitely the reality stone. Ooh, the competency stone. The treble stone. We have...

Less interesting. The Ryan Nanny's Infinity Gottlet would be astonishing. The baking stone. There should be. That's a thing already. Yeah, yeah, that exists. The pizza. the stone. The G-Cal

and white stone. Dude, I'm actually thinking I would prefer to have your gauntlet. There actually should be a very boring. Like, there should be a the... Let's, wait, let's make our gauntlet. What are the stones? What's boring about this? Absolutely

nothing. No, I said there should be one boring emotion. Okay, fine. No, no, no. I think the shutdown full cast infinity gauntlet is a thought exercise. I I'm here for, okay? Holly, what is your stone's contribution? I already made up the pizza stone. She's got the pizza stone.

My stone, the cross-talk stone. Oh, wait, no, mine's the attention stone. The attention stone. Wait, this is a Captain Planet type exercise. Yeah, we're great at those. This thing is like that other thing. This is internet. Yeah, mine is the, let's see,

vagrancy stone. Vagrancy stone. Can I be Earth? No. No, you have to be heart. No, Jason, you're wind. Wind. Or water.

You have to be one of the outside stones. You have the stone that controls animals, but only at a 30-foot distance producing noise. Right? You're like, I can- Why don't you just have the dog stone? The dog-to-the-dog-stown. All dogs. What does this one do?

You can speak, commune, and control all dogs. You'll be amazed at how non-powerful this actually is. That's the same power as Aquaman, but on dirt. That's it. Often how I've thought of Spencer is dirt Aquaman. Barkwa man. That's it. He doesn't like to get wet.

How do we defeat him? I don't know, just course of water on him. It's pretty easy. You don't like to bathe. Wait, no, that's gremlins. Yeah, there's really not much difference, actually, in terms. except for the feeding after midnight um jason gets the ability oh my god and we can't get you wet see this is all adding up yeah but he's constantly wet from sweat that's different and i don't like it

see that's my curse wow yeah this is a walking misery factory that's my secret that's my secret cap i'm always sweaty like and subscribe to our college football podcast godfrey what is your infinity stone um i was just going to totally set this one out to be honest um the apathy stone the apathy stone is a good one also these should technically be futility stones if it's our podcast i was going to say spoken like old miss during preseason i was going to say i was going to say the old miss stone but futility stone covers it yeah that's fine the resignation stone get what you know if you if you put it on you can knock bama out once every three years but it'll cost you buddy i'm being punched in a i'm being punched on a limb that has long since been

sought off there's not there's not even phantom pain there i have no idea why you're swinging there it's more like you know old miss and you made us think about old miss so now we're gonna talk about you at all now also godfrey what's more old miss than like than like complaining about a limb that you lost at Shiloh. I can't even feel it. At this point, if Red Skull goes to Godfrey like, to acquire this

stone, you must sacrifice Old Miss Football. Like, Red Skull's not even finishing the sentence. Done. Done. Okay, bye. Fucking Colonel Reb. Colonel Reb is hurtling off the edge of the cliff. Oh, my Lord.

Daddy. Daddy. Godfrey turns around smoking. God for your old boy, you certainly wouldn't I'm understanding he says this wasn't art because this is literally every William Fogner story ever You're gonna have to

This is exactly what it's like He did a four movie You're gonna have to throw your daddy off of this clip Okay which cliff Which clip? This one? Does he have to be alive at the top? Yeah Well we have

We do have We asked everybody for their Extreme Marvel Hot Takes Because we got some in this room. Yeah, but before we do that, we need to establish the definition of a hot take. We do not mean something like, yeah, I don't know, Thanos, okay. No, no, this will not do. No.

Our baselines for establishing hot are buffalo wings in this establishment. Our Kilmonger had some good ideas slash Thanos just wants to go camping. These are not hot takes. These are both practically canon at this point. Yeah. You got to come correct and you got to come a little bit hotter than that. to make this stuff go okay yeah that's everyone who tweeted at us like i don't like comic book movies well like most people on earth haven't seen them this is not a hot take what the fuck are you doing

following the shutdown forecast account and acting like you have some discerning taste in pop culture what the shit is wrong with you no that actually makes perfect sense they don't like something that's put a lot a lot of time and money is put into it and is very popular they like this show oh i don't like things that are wildly profitable okay we should probably not convince them to like this thing that places so much emphasis on continuity. This is more of the spawn movie of podcasts.

One thing about this prompt is that I think it crossed over outside of our usual audience and was pulling in all sorts of rain. It did, thanks to that one English dude, whoever let other football in to our show. But there was a bunch of those. I mean, there was a bunch of people where they're like dropping in to say like, I think

I think Iron Man sucks. And like you look at their account. Well, so, We're in the middle of like prompt Twitter renaissance, which just did slash did not help. If it's like the Buffalo Wing heat index and like the mild is like, I think Kilmonger is actually right, which is literally confirmed at the end of the fucking movie, if you think that is a hot take, right? Which the director himself has said.

Black Panther himself agrees with you. This is not a hot take. yeah like that's actually that's actually something oh you're so brave that's actually something ryan cougler has said your fucking straw panther so if we have that as the mild take let's go all the way to insanity all right here's the hottest take we got today from a long time devoted listener and fan of the full cast mike mickahill who has written for several i think he pronounced that in the gillicuddy because he's british i'm sorry yes sir mike mickahill The first of his name.

His hottest Marvel movie take is Grown adults, all-consuming obsession with these shiny plastic distractions is one reason there are Nazis in the White House and the UK risk being thrown over a cliff by well-to-do arseholes. Woo! I'm British! Look how I said ours!

That's a fucking hot take, okay? This little Iron Man One is bad. That's not a hot take. You just don't like a movie. And you're incorrect. Marvel did Brexit. That's the take, right? Yeah, yeah. You better bring the fucking thunder.

Okay. Yeah, listen, B2U start at 50,000, okay? Only up from there, all right? We're talking like, we're talking like heat, you can't get an American homes because it's technically not safe. That's what we're thinking about. All right. Well, can we evaluate the legitimacy of that claim? No.

Okay. No. Well, I mean, is... Improv partner Holly Anderson. No and. by Nazis, do we mean Hydra? Sure.

Because Hydra's gone. Hyder's gone. Captain America killed it. Marvel did Brexit. Well, all right. I mean, I will put it this way. That's as good an explanation as any I've ever heard. See?

That's the most efficient Disney. Never mind. Is Brexit just like a plot hole? Yeah, it is. It is. In the story of Earth, people are watching, like, are they ever going to tie this up? Are we in the Trump White House in the current MCU continuity? I think we are in billions, and I can explain why.

Okay, never mind. Okay. There was a president in an Iron Man 3. Spencer just gave me a look that could melt steel. Wait, who is the president in Iron Man 3? Some white guy. And the vice president was a different white guy. Oh, his name is like Jake Ellis.

The last elected official I remember was Gary. Shanling sure now Gary Shandling was like a senator type yeah that's what I'm saying that's the last elected official I remember being in that in those movies which damn what a superb senator Gary Shammle what a fantastic president for that matter um

the dude who's not Pete Posselt Wade and the plane with all the Iron Man rescuing what I um yeah it was president white guy I absorbed these movies I just assumed the president in all of the is Donald Trump

so like that's no it's better if you assume it's Gerald Ford right because the president in Marvel movies

is always doing something like hey you know what we need right now we need to make a weapon

that's going to destroy humanity and give it one key just one key that's it oh lost it

to Dr. Doom crazy weird same thing every two hours and screaming at a hole in this guy

yeah see I think this is perfect actually that's all that up so that's our when we're establishing baseline I don't know that's that's around where we want to start

yeah we're going for baseline lunacy you better be coming at us with like yeah so we each get so we each get like a $50 I was going to have an example but then I was like ant man's an anti-vaxxer and I'm like oh god he probably is he's a good dad we each get like $50 gift certificates for the first

Brooklyn journalist that comes up with the MCU predicted the Trump presidency post next week because that's happening it's probably already happened we can find it if I swear if I search Twitter right now for that picture of Thanos and the caption he's running

here's the problem I'm gonna set the over under like 1600 this would require that journalist to not think about Harry Potter so oh shit these are political journalists remember

hello it's good to be back the the local we'll start with our own sort of homegrown in-house fire theories on Marvel. I'm going to let, because he's our guest,

I'm going to let Stephen. Ryan, oh. Pop one first. Yeah, I mean, Ryan is a guest, but. Yeah, so thank you, Spencer. Jason Kirk and I had a discussion this morning in which we, I saw Captain Marvel in the last 24 hours.

Occasionally I see like what I call the off-season Marvel movies a little late, right? So like your Ant-Man and Wasps and your Black Panthers and your Captain Marvel, and Jason and I figured out this morning that this is actually the most NASCAR of all the films in the MCU and before anybody tries to stretch their brain around the concept of modern feminism

or tries to apply any actual... When you say most NASCAR, do you mean like this is the most Days of Thunder movie? Holly, here's what I mean. I mean a superhero, I mean a superhero got their powers from shooting a live engine with a pistol and standing too close to it. This is what I mean.

Also, let's not forget she is literally a troupe. Also, her entire emotional arc is built off of an argument with her father after a go-kart race gone poorly. This is every extended family argument I've seen in Bibb County, Georgia. This is retroactively undercutting my own Captain Marvel take,

but I'm here for it. Does this make Jude Law like the racing team owner? Yeah. He's, yeah, absolutely. British Richard Childress.

So think about this movie. Richard Childress diddled a whole bunch of nannies. How does she spend this movie? Who's to say? She hangs out in the desert and in southern states. Yeah, and the Gulf Coat, yeah.

That the Clinton presidency is filled with alien shapeshifters. This is, this is like Fox News wet dream. Yeah. Don't, it's 1995. Whatever you do, don't trust the government.

government, they're all out to get you. This is a rough day for all those, I don't care if people are black, white, or purple crowds. Love the military. Hate refugees. All we want to do is take money and build a super weapon with it. Gets out of L.A. as quickly as possible. Fucks it up as extremely, and if you are listening in California, you do know that when you leave L.A. for these hypothetical, like, desert towns, they are extremely red, right?

Yeah. She goes to a military town Guns and Roses fan She goes to Nellis Basically Do they come up with a fictitious name in the movie? I don't remember Oh, I don't know

Okay Mel Tillis The California town of Mel Tillis I prefer the Bayside of Bill Tillis What the hell It is essentially I waited the entire movie

I waited the entire movie for some sort of angry, all of this stuff that I absorbed for six weeks about this film. And it was just, it was the most NASCAR dad MCU film I've ever seen. There wasn't a, I didn't see any feminism. She just happened to be a woman who, again, one more time, and I've read every comic book in the world, allegedly,

shot an engine with a pistol and stood too close to it. Dang! She's probably an Earnhardt. Like, at the end, there's the Fox News Trojan horse of, like, oh actually she likes to save refugees she thinks that's a good thing to do so like i don't know maybe that's what they're mad about but like and and jason how does she achieve her supreme power she pulls the restrictor plate off this this this this this british some bitch was telling her she had she had to limit her powers so she shot a british man i don't give a shit if i go into

the air third turn of daga we're going to win this motherfucker and that's that's the end of the movie also when challenged to a fist fight she shot a man Come on. That is the best debate me, you coward moment that I've ever seen on screen. Yeah. Also, can I put it this way? Man, what's more redneck than waking up in a blockbuster video that you fell through the roof of? Looking around like, what decade is this?

What decade is it? Damn. I went to that Blake Shelton concert last night, and the rest is a blur. Got an ass tattoo that says jeans, truck, shirt, cutie. Again. You don't need two of those? Now, is the problem that her uniform, her costume colors at the end are to Jeff Gordon. No, she literally repaints her car.

She repaints her fucking car in the film. She repaints her car. And can I remind you of where Jeff Gordon's from? California, y'all. Oh, yeah. DuPont 24. Yeah, remember, that was the big cultural issue with Jeff Gordon. They were like, he's from California, which I'm like, buddy, if you only knew the parts of California.

Listen, he's from a part of California where I won't get out of the car. Yeah, come on. I think the ultimate sort of thing here is that this movie, a lot of people focused on the marketing of it and assumed it would be like, you know, this big overt, ham-fisted feminism type thing. But, like, there are a few moments where you can read in. Like, you know, there are references to institutions, you know, telling people not to be themselves. Like, I think that's a consistent theme. the movie but the actual substance the actual things that happen it's america as hell just like

general basic republicans should be all on board with it marica constantly carrying a concealed weapon i meant add all right are we ready for my sake now that captain marvel is bad sure hey i don't appreciate your tone hell yeah holly give it to him and yet and yet and yet okay um okay uh i taken taking taking everything that godfrey is is bringing into this as agreed by the way i did not respond well to this movie and i couldn't figure out why and so i went back last night to see it again because i kind of hated it and i couldn't figure out why and now i know why it is what you see as the captain marvel movie is actually the back half of a captain marvel or origin story and the front half of the Captain Marvel's second movie where they learn that their

great quest is actually an ignoble pursuit. And I wanted to see the first movie. I wanted to see her testing weird space planes in the desert with her Louisiana Bestie and Annette Benning as a crazy alien scientist. I wanted to see all kinds of like desert dog fights between these badass two lady pilots who weren't being allowed to do shit in the Air Force, so instead they get to fly space planes. I wanted to see her beat up dudes on a course at the Air Force Academy, and then at the end I wanted to see her get shot, you shoot an engine with a pistol and get covered in blue goo and become a magical alien. And then you come in, you save Infinity War, and then in the second movie, you discover that your quest is a big thing, that that whole

Kree refugee subplot. That's an entire second movie that you tried to fit into like a third of the first movie kicking out all the kick the tires and light the fires shit, but with ovaries that I wanted to see anyway. It's also that...

Four words to recap. Too much Jude Law. Yeah. Thank you. You get like one scene with them. You don't know what their relationship is. I got one serious critique of the movie and it's this. One of the villains is Siri. Yeah, but it's a Nett Benning Siri.

It's Siri. I'm okay with a condescending American Beauty and Ned Benning as my Siri. That'd be a fine relationship for a little while. Yeah, but that's not a villain. Now I just want to create a movie. Oh, listen, if you want to go through the Marvel movies that don't have villains, like... Oh, my God. It is the one legit argument.

Are we ready for Jason's or are we saving that for last? It is the... We'll get there. God forbid I'd be. earnest for a second. It was the one legit thing that poor DC fans could stand on for a while was how bad the villains were in these films. Until recently, they got a lot

better, though. My take is that they fucked up this rollout, and I wish they had done two movies instead of the back half of one movie and the front half of the second completely different movie. I think... Because I wanted more fighter piloting. Holly, I think part of the problem with the second movie that they... I kind

of agree with you. Not entirely, but that's fine. I think part of the be terrified if you did i know we can we can never do that but it's there were definitely times watching captain marvel where i was like is this a star trek movie did they trick me into watching a star trek movie because that's yeah we know i feel about star trek it definitely has feeling there are moments where i'm like oh i don't know this is a star trek movie y'all you trick me i don't appreciate that the green it really wasn't the green blood or the time travel or the like the i want Desert fights. No, it was the twist. It was the turn. It was the, we're actually refugees looking for, uh,

that's a Star Trek movie. Which is a great twist for the second movie that is like critically reviled, but ends up, or critically reviled, that is audience reviled, but ends up being like the critical darling second part of the trilogy. It's such, to say not, we haven't even covered the funniest part of this movie, which is that, um, I know a couple of us were talking about this on Twitter earlier this week that Brie Larson had to like act out her character in Captain Marvel while her character in

Infinity War was still being written. Yes. Other way around. Yeah, that's what I mean. The movie that came out later was shot first. Yes. Yeah. And so she's just kind of basically having to guess at everything she does and she's a fine actress and she's doing a fine job of it. But like

I'm like while you guys are having all these continuity problems, just just make another movie just make it the second movie let her be a fighter pilot for a minute also we're supposed to believe that jude law is in an authority roll over her and didn't grab her ass yeah i don't i think the movie suggests that that's a strong possibility yeah no i think that's in there maybe that's just me reading june they have like 45 seconds to establish this relationship so it has no stakes it's like

it's like when hugh grant shows up in paddington you're like oh he's done some shit he's touched yeah he's touched that's the cast wait where do you think What? Is Paddington being groped? Is that what we're talking about? No, no, no, no. Y'all, you all went there. I'm just saying the minute Hugh Grant walks in the frame. Okay, that's my fault. I'm sorry. But Paddington Deuce is better than a fight meet. Paddington deuce is better than any MCU movie. I'm just saying, whenever Hugh Grant comes on screen, you're like, man, that guy's had some issues. Whoever that guy is, you're just like, ah, that's sketchy.

All right. And whenever Jude Law comes on the screen, I'm like, yeah. Cold Mountain would like a word. Spencer or Ryan do you have hot takes because I have a feeling mine is I'm sure I'm sure I don't think mine is as hot as yours so Spencer you can go where I can go I don't care mine is this that the most emotionally complete story and the entire thing is Guardians of the Galaxy 2 that's it yeah no the most like seriously speaking of William Faulkner Jesus Christ my daddy yeah my daddy wasn't playing I rewatch this like a week ago

the last five minutes of that movie are a disemboweling. No, you got it. Like, no, that's real, real. Like, that's the problem, I think, with Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is that, like, you're like, shit, this is in my life already. I don't need this in a movie.

Is this just because you wish Kurt Russell was your dad? Yeah. You don't know that Kurt Russell isn't my dad. Just wait in a second when he's glorifying Dr. Strange and listen to his reasons why. Yeah, come on. How disappointing was it to find out that Star Lord was from Missouri.

That is that is so much. It explains Chris Pratt. It does. Although if I told you like Chris Pat's from like you know, he's Seattle is he. He's nice like like suburban PNW. So like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It all starts it all starts to scan when you get that. Right. No, it is the most seriously. It's to me that's the most complete movie with the best emotional arc of any of the Marvel movies.

I know it wasn't the first movie, like the first Guardians of the Galaxy is like the first time... But a big part of the first Guardians is like the surprise. Surprise, right? Yeah. And then they come off in the second one and they get every single one of those characters in an emotional bind that is like almost too real where you're like, you know, this is almost too much

for a superhero movie. And if you had, if that was your critique, if you're like, yeah, man, I don't know if I need to get that like emotional or that conflicted watching a comic book movie. I'd get that. I mean, I loved it. I mean, at the same time, too, this is happening while it's like, okay, so you have to put a bomb in a god's brain, and the god

is your dad. Okay, yeah, cool. And the brain is a planet. And the brain is a planet. That's all, by the way, one of the emotional anchors of the movie is an animated alien raccoon thing. Go. And they make it work.

And as soon as you do this, you are now mortal. Yeah, and Sylvester Stallone shows up, and, like, he's the eighth, he's the eighth, like, least probable thing in the scene. You're like, oh, sure, whatever. Shit, like, fine, yeah, stop by, slide, this is fine. Rooker gives, like, five minutes in that movie that just fucking kills me. Yeah, no, no, no, man, the last, like, five to ten minutes of that movie? As soon as the fucking cat Steven song kicks in.

Yeah. The B-Pack and puddle. Michael Rooker, who, by the way, is just like James Gunn's bro, so he puts him in everything. The villain from Ball Rats gives one of the most emotionally affecting performances in any one of these 20-ass movies. The B-plot is so much better than the main plot in that movie. Yes, I'm so not interested in anything to do with Kurt Russell and so much more interested in everything else that has happened. Yes, but consider the sheer luxury these movies have at this point that they're like, yeah, what are you going to do? I don't know, man, I'm just going to have Kurt Russell swat around in a cool coat and act like a

God. So the, see, this is, and this is what I'm saying is the breathing room that I wish they had given to Captain Marvel who got shortchanged a badass fighter pilot origin story. Yeah, because like, all right, this is, this is what I'm, this is my, my argument in favor of it, right? Like, if you need, you're convincing it. The mass child murder. All right, there's that. Um, there's also this. Sure. Sure. There's also this that, that, that it is the movie that, uh, the payoff. Remember, The first one, it's kind of cute that Star Lord has, you know, oh, cool, he's got a mixtape of cool songs from like the, from AOR and M.R. Radio in the 70s, right? There's a moment at the end where they start to kind of put their thumb on that. Yeah, that's the best part is that, you know, normally you're like, oh, man, they'd be cheap. And they're like, no, no, no, let's put our thumb on that. Let's press that and see why he's got that in the first place and why, like, they take something which is a very simple element from the first one.

and they press it and they apply a motion to it in a way that makes it devastating and that's like and to me that actually carried over like the heaviest parts of Infinity War when you go oh man look Quill he's

he's like doing such a stupid thing I'm like no he would do that because emotionally he's a really screwed up dude yeah but I will say he found out he had 500 dead half brothers and sisters yeah if you found

if you found that out. Also, it's Kurt Russell. You're like, man, I thought Kurt was cool. He was in Captain Ron. Now I've got to find out of some kind of crazy genocidal maniac. Which we've all been there. This room's overboard for me forever. Dave Batista just absolutely owns it.

Too far, man. I know. So there, that's my hot take. And if y'all go back and watch it a second time and disagree with me, then that's fine. So one thing about that is, based on the public. response on you know when we put this out to our listeners there are people who like if you're if you're listening to this and you're thinking what guardians do is great everyone loves it no no there are actually lots of people who don't no lots and lots of people who don't one person said the

guardians ruined the entire mc u because now everything is a big joke which okay that's a fair point i guess you could make i disagree but it's it is it is a mess of a movie i i get that it has some good emotional resonance and there are some good performances in it but it is a mess of a movie. Wait, Guardians one is a mess of a movie? No, Guardians two. Oh, okay. I, you know, I used to think so, and rewatching it last week, I've kind of come around on it.

No, I'm telling you, it holds up. Like, I really have come around on it. It holds up way better than I imagine, and I liked it the first time. I really did not. This was the source of a lot of disagreement between the Atlanta office, and I've come around on it. Once again, though, just like Captain Marvel, it stands for redneck stepdad's. Like, there's a lot of Florida Panhandle in the, these films that doesn't go recognized enough um my hot take nick theory really just didn't do his job

you get to the end of you get to the end of captain marvel and it's all like the avengers initiative here's here's the the word perfect doc okay but then you think back about all the work and you know captain marvel is supposed to be like okay well if there's one of these people and she's not here we need to go find more the work that nick theory and i guess we'll put it on all of shield at this point did after that point was try and find um captain america's frozen corpse which a good job but b that work was kind of already done for you so i think that's only like a partial credit thing uh be howard b you did successfully get iron man involved it took a little while that's fine I'll count that as a, as a, like, good recruiting tool on your side.

See, the Hulk, yeah, you did eventually get him involved as well. Thor literally just fell on your lap. There was no scene where you, like, talk to Thor and said, you know, you need to be part. He just showed up because you had his, his brother. And that's it. And he came back expressly to Smush Natalie Portman. Right. Yeah, it was Joe Frith.

And the other two members of your team. have no powers whatsoever have no powers whatsoever and are just sort of like shield employees so this whole like we said this at at one point we i think we said this in an edsbs post this week but at one point during our rewatch uh one of us turns the other one was like wait black widow is just a lady who kills people yeah like the whole yeah the whole speech in the first avengers film that's all like the idea was we take earth's mightiest heroes and but and at the time time it's like yep cool we're getting the team this team kind of sucks it kind of sucks and two of the best parts of it Hulk and Thor like what did you do exactly at this point you you

you prayed on an emotionally frayed man in Bruce Banner and again Thor just like shows up when he wants to that's it you didn't really recruit him it just happened to be that his brother was the big back. Ryan, what is your hot take, like, in capsule form? Like, what the fuck was Nick Fury doing for decades? Okay, that's a good question. What was he doing in between the end of

Captain Marvel and let's say the end of the first Iron Man? I think that's where he first appears. We say he's just been hanging out at a cat cafe this entire time. It's my favorite part of Captain Marvel. Are the two possibilities that his job was to guard the sacred

pager until apocalypse arrived on earth or I think the funner thing might be what you're getting toward is that like he was trying to recruit all along like he was recruiting like oh my god is Nick Fury Charlie Strong like I just figure

Nick Fury constantly going to Professor X's school and they're just like listen man no we're not buying it go away stop it I think so I think what's canon is that every movie made between 1995 Captain Marvel set in 2008 Iron man, every single superhero movie, Nick Fury tried to put together a team.

Chris Evans, Chris Evans, Nick Fury tried to play Chris Evans at Fantastic Four or whatever. He wasn't really a fit for that position. Nick Fury showed up. It was like, Daredevil, we could use you. Hey, Ben Affleck, Daredevil. No? All right. I need seven different Spider-Man's.

Then the Nick Cage Ghostrider shows up and he's really, really eager. And then Fury has to act like it's off. He's like, you know what? We're going to different. direction. Yeah, yeah, we actually, those funds got reallocated. Thanks, thanks, so please stop coming by the office. Nick Berry said the cage roll up and he says there is no

longer an idea. Yeah, we're good. We're actually really looking forward to an alien invasion. Please stop talking. Or wait, is this another, is this another point for like, lib owners should love this movie? Because, like, that's just what happens when you put this in the hands of the bureaucracy. Look how long it took

the government to build that. I have a more pro seic I think boring explanation for what Nick Furia was doing. Does it involve the cat? No, it doesn't involve the cat. Nick, I mean, he's working a federal job, right? Right. You know what he was doing the rest of the time?

Sudoku. He's just working like tax cases. This is welcome to my dad's pronunciation of Sudoku. Yeah, I mean, come on. I mean, yeah, he was sure doing some, he was probably doing some Sudoku. Sudoku. So to be clear, in your world, Shield is also doing like low-level federal legal enforcement.

Yeah, I mean, what makes you think shield was full time? You know how the feds work. They're like, well... Furlows. In 95, there was a furlough. He didn't do shit for a lot. Oh, yeah.

No, no, no. Did you, New Gingrich! New Kingrich ruined the United States. A, Godfrey's had a skippy-ass Christmas 95. No, man, he did not come through. Nick Fury's going to Essence Fest, okay? I think we're near...

That is a film I would watch. Yeah, I have to land of the prequel. Nick Fury goes to Essence Fest. We're pretty close. to blaming Nick Fury for 9-11. Oh, which one of the Avengers do we think in 9-11? Tony Stark. Yeah, it's ultimately Iron Man's stuff.

You think that, but it's Hawkeye. Yeah, it's Hawkeye. It's a false flag. I mean, if it's Hockai, that's like a local federal building. It's like some... God, I was going to make that joke. ...Nature reserve type thing. Yeah.

I didn't want to make that joke, and I'm glad someone else... No, Hawkeye took over a bird watching station in Oregon. Yeah, that's... Hawkeye refuses to leave government land somewhere Hawkeyes hold up enough That's entirely where he is for all these other movies He's on house arrest He can look a deal

Yeah no he's camped out on the Rangers Clive and Bundy Hawkeyes made a compound of the Des Moines Post Office Have they had that conversation with Hawkeye Where they're like listen man Like your aim is great Like you understand how when

Like what about a gun What about a gun? What about at that of all the they do the one time they nodded this it's actually really great and it's like the one good hot guy moment in the entirety of these 20 ass

movies is when he's trying to calm Wanda down and age of Ultron he's like hey I need you to be with me right now because the city is flying we're fighting a team of robots and I have a bow and arrow so look if if you read the comics

and add lots was coming no here's what kills me if what If what now? No, here's what kills me. Because I know there's people listening to this and they're like, oh, you know, I've read the Mad Fraction thing and Hawkeyes. Because he has, in the comics that are popular, no family, no government separatists, no neocon bullshit.

I'm convinced that the entire Hawkeye MCU thing is a long prank on Jeremy Renner. Like, this is not the character at all in the comic. I really think, like, he showed up and was like a huge asshole. And they're like, all right, watch this. And all of a sudden, he's become this. this like just like through point of a dick bag through all these movies and the guy that we can't wait to die because it's not like any it's not like the comic stuff at all. They did Ed Norton a lot cleaner than that.

Well, and that's the thing is though. Did they have him in a seven picture deal by the time he got rad? I feel like if Ed Norton was there, it would like the Hulk would be the shittiest avenger just because it would be their secret revenge on him. Oh no, he would because Ed Norton the entire time is like, I've had better coffee when I was sitting in my hand-picked Brazilian favela teaching William Hurt to craft. If you watch that Hulk movie, you can just see the contempt from everybody from like

the gaffer to craft services on how much they hate that dude. It's beautiful. I think it pretty much ended when it was Joss Whedon at a room with Ed Norton. And he goes, so I'm, I'd like to do some rewrites. And Joss is like, uh-huh, uh-huh. Eat it. Here's the thing, though, with Jeremy Renner. He knows Terrence Howard has first dibs if anybody else drops out.

Oh, wait. My other hot take is I really miss Terrence Howard and they should have just made it work because Don Cheadle is boring as Rody. Oh. Sorry. It's not that hot. I kind of agree with her.

It's the most flat of all the, all the hero role. But isn't that just the role? Isn't that just the role? Like what would Terrence Howard have done other than demand that War Machine have? I thought Terrence Howard was very funny in the first Ironman. Yeah.

I think the difference if you go back and watch, you can see, you get more of a sense of him being like, Tony's almost a real counter energy to him. Whereas Cheatel is, he just comes across as very passive in scenes with Tony. Hey, guys, I heard there's some exposition I need to give. You remember when they rescue Tony and the very first thing?

Like, you know, Tony's like covered in blood and falls to his knees. And Terrence Howard's like, how was the fun V? Like, that's his opening line. Right. I love that energy and I miss it so much. Terrence Howard, the thing about I miss about him is he's an actual crazy person. that we need more of those with this crowd. Yeah, Terrence Howard and Jeremy Renner

would have done something extravagant by now. Terrence Howard's war machine is going to be like blaring Anita Baker while he's shooting people. Imagine Terrence Howard and Mickey Rourke onset and Croatia for like, holy shit. Yeah, yeah, with RDJ and it's like,

nope, nobody's insuring this. I just want, listener, I want you to Google the words Terence Howard math. We're not going to get into it. It's not time. That's a blessing. for you. I don't think I know this. You have to look it up later too. You got to look it up.

I don't have time to do it right because it's a whole episode. Did I just get milkshake ducked? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's math. It's actual math. What? Well, it's not actual math. That's bad for me too. Can I remind everyone can I remind everyone of the only other choice I know of that they had to play banner when Norton was out?

Norton cut. Yeah, there was one, once Nort was out, there was one other person that Mark Ruffalo they considered to play Banner. Talking about actual crazy people. Please tell me it was Christian Bale. Joaquin Phoenix. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah. Not bad. You know what? He would not have been believable as non-transforming banner. That would not have worked. And in Infinity Wars, be like, oh, I just can't find it. Really? You can't find the rage. Fuck that. That's my secret, cap. He turns back around and he's put on like a novelty false glasses of nose.

The Incredible Hulk, master of disguise. I also like that because then we would have all insisted that Johnny Cash was the incredible Hulk. Which, frankly, I sort of, if you just There were moments.

If you put Cash's life over Hulk-type behaviors, I woke up naked, not knowing where I was. How about this? We take the scene, the much lampoon scene and walk the line. where Joaquin breaks a sink off a kitchen wall, just pretend that's the Hulk's coming out. Hulk's done quailudes.

I keep thinking of different ways he could respond to that's my secret cap. Like, he turns back around, he's just got an enormous box of fruit loops. I think it's time for this meme. So I'm glad we're talking to Hulk. Because if the subject is hot takes about the MCU, and you're on the subject.

of is this movie good is this movie bad i think if you want to argue a movie is bad the only way for that to qualify as a hot take is if you're talking you know if you're coming at me and saying like ragnarok is bad i'm like okay let's hear this one you know that's a hot take we don't entertain those people if if if you say you know avengers one or infinity war or uh or ant man you know just anything that like is just clearly a good movie if you come and say that's bad it's like all right this is a hot take the only two that you can do the reverse that you can say this movie is good and it's considered a hot take are the hulk which yes we do have listeners who said i liked ed norton's hulk i liked ed norton as the hulk i didn't see anyone say i like the hulk movie because uh you know me and my daughter we rewatched them all and that movie is boring as hell i cannot i cannot stand for it but so we found we found the unreachable take yeah i'm not going to go that far however it's like never mind go ahead jason let let

let this on us thor two thor the dark world is good all right oh boy here so here hit me with what's the first complaint everyone has about this movie it is bad let me just hey let me just say this i'm i'm i'm i'm the nerd i'm the comic book guy and i'm the thor fan and i am just going to take three big steps away from Jason right now. This is all for sure. I went back and rewatch this too because I was surprised and I was like, well, I re-examined a couple of the other movies. Let's look at this one. No.

No, it's not. The whole movie is that they still had the option on Natalie Portman's contract and they hired a Game of Thrones director to do a PG-13 Game of Thrones. And if I remember the operative issue is that there's an infinity stone in her

blood? Yeah, bro. Okay. This movie was made for... This movie was made for FX at 1035 Eastern. Is this Contagion but a Thor movie? So the... When I say good, by the way, I don't mean great.

All right. If we're talking five tiers of MCU movies, I'm moving it up one. All right. I'm not saying this movie is as good as black paint. Wait, what are you putting it above? Hulk. I'm saying this... Wait, so is Hulk the Yukon?

Yeah, so I'm saying this movie is as good as, say, Ultron, Iron Man 2. Oh, Iron Man 2 is good, sorry. I'm fine with that, yeah. Right, this is what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's as good as Iron Man 3. This is canon. It's one of the five, six, seven best movies in the whole thing. It's about as good as Iron Man 2.

So the big complaint that I've always seen is that the villain sucks. They totally wasted Maliketh, like Thor, one of Thor's most epic. Like, Maliketh right now is leading in the comics About a 10-year run They're up to like 11 realms now War the realms, bitches It's like the super fucking medallist Run of comics you've ever seen

And it's great Maliketh is awesome He's the perfect villain for Thor Blah blah blah and they completely waste him in this movie Why is that? Because he's not the villain Look who starts the movie Literally in court in God's court in chains before God Loki is telling God

I'm gonna take your throne I'm gonna fuck with the son of God the whole movie and I'm gonna end up winning guess what he does he ends up winning that's a fucking great villain he talks shit the entire time

every single person he counters says Loki you better not try and trick us and he's like yeah you know and like there's a point where he's just meta acknowledging he's like I bet you have a great line about how I shouldn't trick you he tricks everyone he goes along on this quest just so he can die

honorable death just so no one's looking when he wins in the end. That's a great villain. Just call the movie Thor and Loki. That's a great villain in the comics that is not anywhere apparent in the movie. Everyone likes Loki. Everyone likes Loki in this movie. Everyone likes him. He's arguably overcast, honestly. Yeah, that's the problem

is that Tom Hiddleston's too likable. I'm like, oh yeah, that guy. Exactly. Because he read for Thor. Here's my point. Everyone watches this movie, and they say, well, this movie sucks, but Loki is great. Also, the villain is bad. Those things don't line up you like the villain you think the villain is awesome and the villain wins this isn't the only reason i think this movie is good i think it's change the title take it from

thor the dark world dark world reminds you of the virtually uh indiscernible dark scenes where you can't you know it's just complete mud pitch black change it to thor and loki title the movie thor and loki boom suddenly we're not thinking of it as it's as bad as the hulk and i'll admit it has obvious glaring flaws like all the earth stuff is boring the stuff with jane is boring she has a fucking infinity stone in her body and she doesn't actually get powers also what a waste of cat dennings she's funny in this too she's funny in this movie the uh the swedish professor guy is funny yeah everyone says this movie is super dry like everyone says this movie is super dry and they like completely reinvented the character with ragnar rock which i i love ragnarok but the seeds

I think that Raggard lets us forgive everything that came before because it finally took them three movies to figure out Chris Hemworth F jokes. Thor's friends suck too. Oh, God, there's, okay, Thor's friends suck because they gave Kenneth Branagh the first Thor movie, and they're all like, hazah! That has my favorite casting of any comic movie ever, because everyone's like, it's like 10 Shakespeare actors

and a Best Picture actor and a Hemsworth shall lead them all. Like, honestly, we are so lucky that they did not have, have Kenneth Branagh self-casting in that movie because we could have had a very different Thor. He would have been Odin. He would have been Odin, guarantee. He absolutely would have fucking cast himself as Thor if he could have gotten away with it.

Which the thing is that they just... No, Kenneth Branagh is 1,000% that bitch. He would be, he would say like, oh, I can go on a Nordic track for two weeks. Y'all, I went to drama school. Let me tell you about Kenneth Branagh. Why is Thor wearing baggy shirts all the time? loose tunics it's been an unforgiving year for the body

I forgive Thor won a medley of sins because I'm just like they gave Kenneth Brenna a Marvel movie before they really knew what they had those fucking morons Thor's real strength is his courage I think there's a quote where Natalie Portman they're like why did you do this she's like it's it's it's it's Shakespeare Thor how could I not do this

And I think that sums everything up. Yeah, yeah. That makes me lose a little respect for. It's more just like, this is so weird, how could you not observe it? Also, she just didn't want to say the money was fucking great. Yeah, you know, they were very afraid of doing it light the first time. Also, in hindsight, they should have done it light. Spencer, it was a project George Lucas wasn't attached to.

Of course she was going to do it. You got to realize she, yeah, she came off of seven years of Queen Amadala. she couldn't feel pain at that point yeah oh George Lucas isn't here and I don't have to wear this fucking stupid hair and makeup yeah I have an accessory or sub take to this

which is that Thor is a he's a sometimes food he's a spice not the dish right like you know because do you know the expression sometimes food this is what you tell kids when they're like hey why can't I live on taffy there's a whole sesame street

song. Cookies are a sometimes food. Right, right. Just shows you that Sesame Street is full of lies. Exactly. So, yeah. They do make Cookie Monsters sing that song, which should be a lot more like existential. Yeah. It should be clear that

he's like, they should have made that like a hostage video. Like Cookie Monster holding today's USA Today. So the sometimes food is Hulk because this is what Joss Whedon got that nobody else did, which is that you need about like you need you can't do a whole Hulk movie you can't really do

whole like I know there are people who disagree with this in order to make a really cool Hulk comic you have to do some pretty insane shit right like you have to have Hulk fight God in order to have a really cool Hulk comic you have to have Hulk like outlast everyone in the universe and end up fighting mutant cockroaches to make a really cool Hulk in order to make Hulk really cool, you have to put them on another planet. You can't just have like a Hulk chilling out movie because it just, it doesn't work. I can't explain to you why.

I'll leave that to somebody who's more versed in, you know, character development than me. But that's, it just doesn't work. You need like about 3% Hulk, right? He's salt. He's essential to the story, but you don't want too much of it. I think this is all, like this, he's kind of, Wolverine is kind of the same way.

where like when you just make a Wolverine movie you're like oh god Jesus he's depressed okay we just make a Wolverine movie with a guy from Broadway who shouldn't be fucking Wolverine he's he did so all you do is make a Wolverine time travel movie that's true that one did work but that's because it allowed him like it wasn't just Wolverine it was more like

it's hard to make a standalone Wolverine movie and it's hard to make a standalone Hulk movie is what I'm saying Thank God. Thank God they created old man Logan because that motherfucker was two years away from pitching a fucking Wolverine musical. Oh, that movie also sucked. It, yes, thank you. It did. He was going to, look, he was going to pitch a Wolverine musical. It was going to happen. And now we are deprived of that for fucking ever. And I will never get over that. Actually, I think his PT Barnum musical is a Wolverine movie. Like Wolverine if he owned people.

Right. And then it just all got sour when he's like, I had to watch that like 1920s? yeah yeah so yeah he was around yeah he had to watch between world wars is all right I had to watch the bearded lady die I guess that is my hot take Logan sucks sad oh oh yeah Logan's real real bad I stand alone in defense of Logan I thought Logan was fine it sucks I love over here on the island with Godfrey where we are right I got it I like I like the the dude from ER Eric LaSalle like the 15 minutes on the farm that makes no fucking sense whatsoever it was nice to see Eric LaSalle it was first has got a very pleasant face.

Well, I hope you and God I'm treating this like a, you know, a chance encounter at a coffee bean. You and Godfrey have fun going to see Aquaman too. You guys love great time together. Um, oh shit, we did see Aquaman together.

We did see Aquaman, yeah. Aquaman was a mess. But we're not talking about dumb comics. We're talking about Marvel. YouTube fan edit for two and a half hours. Yeah. Wait, are there fan edits? Please don't do it.

That movie was a YouTube. fan at it for two hours. You say that like it's a bad thing. How do you mess up Jason Momoa wet? That's all I'm saying. That's how they should have marketed the entire film. Wait, do we not like Aquaman either? They did. That was the fucking movie. Aquaman, okay,

I will say this about Aquaman, unlike some recent Marvel movies that I was mad at. Aquaman was exactly what it said it was going to be. I'm sorry, I'm sorry I brought up DC movies and I shan't do it again. No, you brought up the good DC movie. Okay. Is it, is it time to, uh, is it time to, uh, is it time to road test some of the

hottest texts our readers have. And we haven't even gotten all the way through all of our I mean, I think we've got time for so. I think we've got a little bit of time. Let's see what the public has to say. Yeah. Because, um, I wanted to, well, y'all have some opinions. And as usual, we regret hearing those. Yeah, there's some, there's some extremely good ones in here. I want to start with one from, uh, scumb dog 0331. Oh, that's, I love how you can tell by the handles whether they're one of ours or whether they got roped in by british indie film twitter this is this is a good one all right andy circus's claws my favorite bad guy in marvel and they killed him also a bit of liberal guilt for absolutely loving the white guy and black

panther i'm really just using this as an excuse to say that andy circus was absolutely yote as claw like jacked he got big people don't talk about andy circus as claw because it undermines the Kilmonger had some good ideas because that's in the scene where Kilmonger shoots his girlfriend in the face. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So Andy, Andy, Andy, andy claw face is kind of tainted by association. Yeah, because claw's supposed to be a real bad dude in the comic, and all of a sudden, Kilmonger shows up and does that, and it's like,

oh, I'm just trying to steal metal. Huh. It's not so bad. I like that whole museum sequence, though. Yeah, it's good. it also gave you, Claw gave you some great tips on how to commit crimes. Like now we know to leave our crime scenes much more scattered out so they don't look professional. Thank you, Claw.

This is also how, this is also really fed into the Miami Spring Game Pin. There's another really good Black Panther take from Oshman Bob on Twitter. And this is a spinoff of the obvious acknowledgement that, yes, everyone agrees, Kilmonger's goals were right, how he achieved them, was, that was the problem. From Ashman Bob, the only reservation I had about Kilmonger's program was that he was trained in America

and thus was really likely to fuck up a war of liberation. He's literally an American soldier. What more did you expect from him? Like, Amazon would have ended up in charge of Wakanda. Like, ah! Opportunity zones. Subcontracting. Another one from our friend Matt Berry 05.

Should have killed Vision is the got to let them score a touchdown right here of the MCU. Listen, when we blame Thor for wanting to look Thanos in the eye while killing him, when we blame Star Lord Peter Quill for acting like the asshole we have always known and loved, we are overlooking that Captain America fucked up worse than anybody because he didn't unplug his fucking computer to save the universe. like why is why is that not even isn't shouldn't somebody be having the conversation about like hey guys this is not a people like i know he acts like this motherfucker who was born in 1921 is like dude leave my computer alone like i i would have i would have appreciated it more if they at least had that conversation about like what is sentient like even if they do it just a little bit but they're all just like well no what is sentient life like by this logic by this logic if Teddy Ruxman had an infinity stone in his forehead, we'd be like, we can't kill him. No, Teddy Ruxman is part of his team.

I think you guys already answered the thing. If you are forgiving Peter Quill for fucking up the Thanos situation, do you also not have to forgive Scarlet Witch for not killing her boyfriend sooner? Your boyfriend is a computer. He's not a real fan. We were on a break, Kevin.

I think you guys already answered it because any man born in 1921 doesn't want you to touch his computer. By the way, viruses, like, have you ever, like, when I go to my parents' house and the Wi-Fi things, like, taped to the screen and...

To the compact monitor? Don't turn it off. I got it just how I want it. He's in a little of a record-breaking solitaire run. In a joke, in a joke that... In my day, sweeping my... lines was no joke. And a joke that like

in a joke that 35 people will get, I just hear that in the Fensler films, G.I. Joe voice. Oh, turn off your computer. That's all you had to do, Cap. Oh, that's just turn off the fucking computer. That would have literally been half the fucking battle. Yeah, and then you know

what happened after that? They looked up and everyone was on fire. I do wish when Thanos had appeared on Earth. It said, chop sandwiches. I like that even Vision was on board with this. Vision looked up and said, I'm a computer. No one believed him.

Hey. Yeah, that's that and that and if that the other line from that that I think Thanos could have shown up was it's body massage time. Body massage time. Like like when they bring vision to Wakanda they should everybody in Wakanda

should just be just kill the fucking Yeah, this is on Shuri, too. This is on everybody there. Shri says to be like, you have like, you know, this is Windows 95. We got way better shit over here. What are you doing? We'll build you a fucking robot, idiot. This is, oh, this will build you a new boyfriend.

When you watch, when you rewatch Infinity War for the second time, this, oh, it's hard to get over. This would be an amazing, this would actually be an amazing other scene for introducing Scarlet Witch to all her other dating options. Like, imagine, Scarlet Witch goes to Tokyo. No, I'm saying you send Scarlet Witch to Mbacu. Imagine a Star Wars. Oh, okay. Imagine a Star Wars where Luke Skywalker allows the Death Star to blow up a planet to spare C-3PO's life. Are you fucking kidding me?

This all just feeds into the modern fantasy of a, of like a woman, just be like, you know what? I'm just going to kill my boyfriend and put him on a USB drive. We'll just suspend it until then. Oh, my Godfrey, we've told you not to bring your personal life into this. No, this is my personal life. Yeah, I was giving Holly the volley there. Thank you. All right, I have one from...

I was getting a little thin this week. I have one from at Dr. Yellow. Stanley cameos are bad. Well, he's dead now. Congratulations. He got your wish, fucko. You win. Okay, I have one response to this that I might need God-free for because there is one instance in which I agree with this.

Yeah. Because whichever movie it was where they had him talking to the watchers and Alex Papademus and I about had a fucking panic attack because we were convinced they were going to have him play like that the watchers were coming into the movies and that they were going to. going to have Stan Lee play an actual watcher. I don't know if that was ever planned, but it would... No, no, it wasn't, but we were scared of it when we saw that cameo.

That's the only Stan Lee cameo to which I was specifically objected. That was guardians too, right? It was one of the guardians. I forget which one it was, but yeah. Yeah, because I thought they were trying... Like, at that point, he was really old in that story about how, hey, he's maybe being care taken by a bunch of shitty people...

Here's the fucking look. And I'm like, oh, now you're going to give him a speaking part in the movies that's extensive, that's kind of weird and plenty. Here's the fucked up truth. He's a super nice guy. He stole a lot of shit from a lot of people. And inside the comics industry, he's not as well loved as he is outside of it. And he turned into this,

he turned into this Walt Disney, he's well, I'd say he was a little more charming than Mark. Um, but yeah, he was not this beloved fucking icon at all, not even close. He's kind of, they combined all the creators in, like the greater public kind of combined

all the actual creators into just one guy. It's all the credit for all of them. Yes. And it pisses a lot of people off because he did parts of the creating, but he was a fucking world-class appropriator. I think that there are cameos

that they do very well. Specifically, I'm thinking of the Harry Dean Stanton cameo. Yes. It's fun. After a while, it was redundant, but it's whatever. I would, I'm going to clear the air,

by showing this is the most innovative take we got. What do you mean innovative? It's from at C. Cassidy 204 aka Matt. Oh, Matt's. This is a humble... Let me tell you this. At this point, you don't have to say it's from Matt.

It's one of our readers. Of course that's your name. A humble name tag for a truly grandiose idea. Thanos is going to crawl up Ant Man's butt. Tell them. Oh, shit. Literally. Oh, shit. He's going to trick Ant Man into becoming big and then do that.

Run from it. Hide from it. Holy fucking shit. Yeah, man. Like any of y'all who came at us with the very poorly thought through Reddit, Ant Man butt theory, no, we're on this now. We're on this shit. Fall behind, left behind.

The best is that, like, you know, call Rudd would turn this into something comical, even as it was like, whoa! Geez, guys. Are we getting to see his sidekicks in the security business because I like all those guys a lot better than the M. T.I. is going to save the world. Someone proposed, I can't find the sweet now,

but someone proposed that phase four of the MCU is just Michael Pena explaining things. Yeah, because Michael Pena explains the first three phases. I would watch two hours of that. I would watch so much of that instead of having to rewatch all these movies. I would much prefer this I forget where I was listening Michael Pena was explaining

like where he came up with this character or where that like style comes from and he was basically saying that he knew a guy I think in L.A. who was just happy about everything and would always sort of

have that tone about everything so he saw him one day and he was like hey man how are you doing he was like yeah I had a great weekend I went to jail and it's like what I'm way too happy It's okay Did nothery's going to know who I'm talking about here

And I know that Spencer has heard Part of this On on Nashville excursions But you know how every There's this very nice man who used to be a I say very nice because I'm about to make fun of him Who used to be a Knoxville columnist Who is now a radio guy for the Titans

And whose kind of signature thing is, at least in my head, no matter what is happening, he always just sounds relentlessly chipper. Oh, yeah. Holding titans. Like, he's calling a penalty. There are no flags on the finish.

And he's just, and he's just always just like, hey, we're all just happy to be here, man. Yeah. Like, this is the guy who's like, it's cancer! Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, to be clear,

I've never heard him say anything like that, but I definitely wouldn't put it past him. sorry Mike there's a lot of places I thought the show was going to go Mike Keith was not yeah man Mike I love to be clear I love Mike Keith

and I wouldn't change a thing about him because what else are you going to do in the face of Tennessee professionals for you totally uncovered 94 yard touchdown for the Baltimore Ravens no it's it's the way he called Blaine Gabbard warning

warming up shot black Titans oh man there's there's titans in the movie y'all i think we got time for like one or two more yeah because i'm clearly scraping the barrel of my emotions here with there's titans in the movie can i can i ask what happened to the audio there i guess it's too hot it's too hot for too hot for the internet have we have we lost continuing right we lost you right after you said can i asked oh sorry well so jason you have been rewatching have you completed your rewatch at this point we have okay oh i'm almost there this is this my question is

was it worth it like did my my hunch is that they actually have done you you said what did it cost No, no, it's just like, people, people have been talking this, people have been talking this week about like, oh, wow, they've done such a good job like making self-contained movies, but they all tie together. And part of me is like, did they or did we just sort of like agree to go along with it? Like, I mean, it's not that hard to follow their comic books. No, but have they actually done a like, is there a cohesive thing that you see like spelled out over all of these movies or is it just like, yeah, there's enough connective tissue in there that we can call. In retrospect, I wish they had made like six fewer movies about the tesser act right specifically there are there are other stones it's fine i think individually each movie uh my daughter and i both we both liked every single one of them more this time around than we did coming in um one weird exception to that was spider man which were like i didn't you know i think it's fine really really i think that's that's what i thought got a lot better on rewatch yeah i think spider man in iso a from the big, broad MCU stuff is great.

But Spider-Man, when you're like, all right, we're almost done, we got Black Panther, Ragnarok, Infinity more coming up, and you got this cute little Spider-Man story, it felt like a real like, okay, we're killing time here. It's like some lemon sorbet between courses, but I think the villain reveal near the end of Spider-Man is one of the best things the whole series. Like, not who it is, but who he is.

Like, I had kind of forgotten about that, and that's, I think, maybe the best reveal that any of the movies have ever done. There's a lot about Spider-Man that's really, really, really well done. I think just the placement of it, it's if you're not really in the mood for like a fun, sunshiny dance break,

you really want to get to the really, really, really good shit, you know? Well, that one's, keep in mind also that the Spider-Man movies are not totally within their, like, coordination and control because they're Sony. I mean, they basically are at this point. No, no, they, like, Sony just moved the next one. so they're still kind of subject to the whims of another what do you know one is going to talk about venom except for me get that shit out of here wouldie harrelson anybody that oh yeah yeah you should no i'm you shouldn't see venom but you should uh go on youtube and find that this

correct you should do that shit's coming y'all this and now i need to see it but also someone described venom to me as Ryan, this might have been you as like imagine if they made a Wario movie where you were never allowed to say the word Mario Yeah And I'm like yeah, can I want to see that Jason I want as the most

comic books Jason have you seen Venom No I think there's I think Godfrey still probably outranks me as the most comic I paid to see Hellboy this weekend As the most comic book savvy person on this podcast who hasn't seen Venom

Who do you think Woody Harrelson plays? I just want one guess. Jonah Jameson. Sure, I'll go with that. Jay Jonah Jamison? Okay. I look forward to you finding out the actual answer to this question. Wait, is he playing like a known character within the universe?

Yes, yes. A major character in the Spider-Man Venom universe. I will say, I will posit this. It may be the most unfuckable casting ever in a comic book. But they kiss it. Is he carnage? Correct. The movie's not going to be good.

The movie's not going to be good at all. Are you serious? Hold on. He's clean as Cassidy. He's cleat his cat. Well, now I have to see the fucking Venom movie. So what you're trying to tell me is Venom rules. Wait a second. For 30 seconds after you take a pee and watch the credits.

Yeah. At the very end, Venom rules. Yeah. As bad as that film is and it is in arguably shit. And you could just see where Tom Hardy decided to show up And I'm like, you know what, fuck a script today I've decided I'm going to go with an improv To give Tom Hardy lines in a film

The Michelle Williams wig work is the most embarrassing part So here I was hoping Woody Harrelson Woulde up as Adam Warlock And I find that's already been topped Let me tell you that movie is going to be so bad And so insanely good at the same time Because no poor bastard comic book movie director that they line up for that thing

is going to be able to rein in control or even catch the attention of Woody Harrelson. This motherfucker is about to make a documentary. I can't wait for that piece of shit.