Shutdown Fullcast - Catching up on The 2019 Bold Predictions Game

Episode Date: November 1, 2019

As we stumble into November, some of the possibilities contained within our Bold Predictions Game have proven true or false. Kentucky didn't beat Florida. An FCS team beat a Power 5 team. Auburn didn't lose to its first four Power 5 opponents (not even close, actually). Hawaii beat a Pac-12 team. Twice! But many predictions are still up for grabs. Which power conference won't make the playoff? Will every Big 12 coach stay in their current job? Is another school going to leave the American, inspired by UConn's bravery? Can UMass beat Northwestern? Can South Carolina beat Clemson? Will we get a Pac-12 title game with no California participants? Does Spencer remember our New Mexico Bowl partnership proposal hashtag? No, Spencer does not. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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them any money. Correct. How can it be a scam if there's no money changing hands? that you know of I'm not giving them any money I do not want to talk about what happened to my face yesterday I think Spencer's taking a cut from our bowl committee Spencer's running a scam within a scam

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piping is pink and yellow. Can I get some fringe? Can I get a little bit? Sure. Like, do you want like epaulettes at the shoulders? Like you're like a Hener Alissimo? I want to be like if Porter Wagner had decided to become a bandito, right? That's basically your life right now. Yeah, in many ways that is who you are. That's fine. That's fine. Yeah, like lost, like lost. And the rest of us collectively are Dolly bailing your catalog out because we got money like that. Lost CIA agent with who's been undercover too long and has probably stumbled into like two million dollars in the jungle that he did

not earn and will not declare. Y'all know this is a fantasy because Spencer really couldn't make it into the CIA. Now the song becomes I will always punch you, which is also worth of it. The bodyguard too. Let's talk about where is. Never let him

out of your sight. No, really. Never let it. God. Where is he? We are here to talk about, to give you an update on the 2019 bold predictions game in typical full cast fashion. No, I cannot find what Jason Spencer and I picked for our selections.

If you guys remember yours, you can be proud or not as you want. We're going to go very quickly. Wait, what do you mean you can't find it? There's an episode that we said them on. I don't listen to these episodes. That would require listening to the shutdown of fullcast. Yeah, I'm very clear that I don't listen. Am I for real

the only one that listens to the show? I listen to it when I'm not on it. But you also have to remember that I have to do some of the editing, so I listen to it in that process, and I'm definitely not listening to it again after that, because I'm on it. That is entirely fair. I was hoping you were going to say I definitely don't listen to it during that. Just eyeball it. Some people would argue that that is true. Jason, he earballs it. Listen, waveforms just a picture, ain't it? No, I'm saying he edits it by looking at the fluctuations on the garage band or whatever we use. That's called earballing.

I do know what the way form of me coughing looks like because I do it all the goddamn time. Anyway, here are the one-pointers that have Abigail Adams up on this podcast. Remember the ladies, John. That's hurtful. She's, first of all, reminded me of a career failure. Has already stabbed you. I've been very nice to Holly this week, so I don't know what that's about. Anyway, no, performance reviews are done, baby.

We're back. Jason, you're going to catch a stray here in a minute. just get ready. I would not dream of throwing anything in Jason's direction. Also, Holly doesn't do strays. She only does head shots. It's sweet that you think that was accidental. Oops.

One pointers that have already cashed. Hawaii beats a Pac-12 appointment. Correct. They've beaten two. This is where we need our first ruling from Holly. Hawaii, is this, Holly rather, not Hawaii. Although we could call you Hawaii. Is this worth one point or two points since Hawaii

beat two Pac-12 opponents in Arizona and Oregon State. The bet was for one. The bet was for one. Okay. Florida beat Kentucky. That one cashed as well. Those are the only one-pointers that are here. There are some that are close.

We'll get to them. We'll come back to them. Three pointers that are decided. Iowa, Iowa State, El Asico, did not go over 45 points combined. So if you took that, you did not get three points. That's the only one that's set there. of the five-pointers and FCS school did in fact beat a power five school

Jason remind us of which one that was that would be Georgia Tech losing to junior Georgia Tech that we looked like we weren't going to cash this one for a while that was one of the later FCS P5 games if not the last one correct we were very very very low on those this year that looked like a sure thing and it almost wasn't

yeah so that's cashed for five points all right so we have two we have one here that I need a Holly ruling on. This was a reader submission. All three Miami quarterbacks start a game. As of now, I'm going to pull it up to make sure that I'm not getting... I just realized it would be really funny to make Spencer re-pick all this

because he doesn't know whether things have happened in the season already or would he pick at the start. Well, that's just cruel. I actually remember most of my picks here. You don't even know what weak it is most of the time. It's true, but I remember most of my picks. Okay. It's like you don't know that this system is asymmetrical, deeply asymmetrical.

Just like your head. Sharon Williams was a starting quarterback for Miami at the start of the year in the Florida game. Since then, Nicosi Perry has started some of the games. I think they've been flip-flopping. I know where you're going and I'm going to allow this. So we are saying that Tate Martell. Now, do we have confirmation that he was a starter in any of these games, that he started with the offensive unit or that he just came on as a receiver? He has played the first snap

He has played the first snap as a receiver Okay, so Holly, Holly, you're counting this one as a bank I am allowing this one And not just because it was my favorite Not just because it was my favorite Selection in the initial game But mostly because of that Okay, so that has cast for five points

I think those are the only ones there Of the seven point is subjective That's true Of the seven point category, Kentucky did not be Florida. That one did not cash. And that's the only other one that we can say. That's the only one in that one we can say definitively nine-pointers.

Army did in fact cover a 17 and a half point spread against Michigan. Woo! Covered it pretty goddamn easily. I know Jason had this one. Yeah. You know who didn't? You know who didn't? You know who didn't? Notre Dame. Notre Dame didn't cover

the spread against Michigan, did they? No. No. They didn't. Okay. Glad we had this talk. The other one that, the nine-pointer that did not cash, Auburn did not start O'N-4 against Power 5 teams.

They beat, I think they beat everyone on this list except Florida. They beat Oregon, A&M, and Mississippi State, correct? Okay. Nobody said no, so we'll keep going. Of the 11-pointers, USC did not start O'N-3. That one didn't cash. There are a couple other ones that look like they might be happening, but this is the big one.

We recently got this one. If you had this one, you just won 11 points this week. At any point this season, a team other than Bamar or Clemson is ranked number one in the AP poll. I remember in the original episode we talked about, this would be like, would we include bowl season?

Would we include the final poll? Didn't matter. LSU, currently you're number one in the AP poll. This one is cashed. And then we'll get to the 13-pointers. army did not beat michigan came damn close but that one didn't cash i feel like we should catch it just spiritually yeah in many ways they did uh u s c did not start o and five neither did they start five and oh um so those are out and no 13 pointer has has um succeeded of the ones that are

available we'll we'll start here in a second there's only there's really only two that i think or possible. Felipe Frank's winning the Heisman is definitely out. I haven't marked it as formally eliminated yet, but it is eliminated. Holly, this is where I need your second ruling. And this one's, um, this one's tricky. So, so the instructions in the game say for the bonus round, pick one prediction that you haven't picked previously. If you screw this up, you are the Spencer of your friend group. Yeah, we had a big old fight about this on the show, as I recall. So despite that warning there are multiple people who have picked some use their bonus pick on a pick they already used are we okay okay that's fine yeah okay so so listen let let this be a lesson that

it's not ever cute to be the Spencer of your friend group so so Ryan when you say that you're referring to readers slash listeners who filled out the form many of them doubled up yes yes they did so like for instance if they had if they had Army covers a 17.5 point spread as their nine-pointer, they also picked that for their bonus pick. I think that's smart, but not smart. Okay. I mean, I mean, like, I do respect the, like, put more chips, put more chips on fewer numbers.

But also, the house makes the rules. Well, I think it's smart because it's smart of them to see if they could sneak it past us. Correct. I appreciate their chutzpah, however, it will not save them. So, let's talk about what remains. We'll start with the juiciest, the 13-pointers. Right off the top. Spencer, is a group of five team going to make the playoff?

No. Even though Alex showed us how it could happen with SMU and a lot of money? We were all rooting for you, Memphis. No. I would love to be, I really would like to be the voice of irrational exuberance here. and say that SMU was absolutely going to bribe its way into a playoff. But with people like Barry Alvarez at the controls, I can't see integrity being challenged or compromised in any way.

Because as we know, the people involved with the playoff are unbribable, unshakable. Wait, now I can't tell if you're being sarcastic and you really do think a team is going to make the playoff out of the G5. No, they're not going to make it. Okay. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Okay. um jason is urban mire taking a job at notre dame um i feel like i i feel like i i feel like i haven't been as fascinated with the urban mire thing as most people have so i haven't really thought about it a lot

he seems to like tv right yeah yeah and everybody thinks he's good at tv um and is he doing the exact same thing again where he shows how good he is at tv and that sort of helps him get another job Is he doing the Mac Brown thing? I mean, Brian Kelly is, he doesn't seem as furious this year as he has in the past. So I don't, maybe he's a little less inclined to leave. And I don't think anyone really wants to hire him right now. This is outside. This feels unlikely to me.

This is outside the scope of the game. But I do want to remind everybody that when we began floating this theory of Urban Meyer to Notre Dame, we did say it was going to be in 2021. Well, damn. So, well, no, so what I'm saying is I think we need to keep this on the board for next year as an option. Okay. Because just because it doesn't seem to be trending likely for this year, I think makes it even more likely to happen next year. Okay.

Okay. Holly, is another school going to announce that they're leaving the AAC? No, because I don't want to blog about it. So let's see if we can actually use our powers of speaking reality into existence on this show to save ourselves some headache. Okay. All right. So according to the panel, no 13-pointers are going to cash this year. 11-pointers. Spencer, is Southern Miss going to beat an SEC? No, sorry, this is one that didn't cash. Sorry, Southern Miss did not beat an SEC appointment. I apologize for that. Is Sam Ellinger going to win the Heisman, Spencer?

Absolutely not. Please send your angry. Why not? Yeah, because he's not having a truly great season. That's not saying he's not having a good season. It's just that he's not having a truly great season on the scale of, I don't know, to a Tunga Vyloa or maybe even more prominently and dramatically, Joe Burrow, right? I don't think he's. I'm so happy if this turns out to be Joe Burroughs' Heisman season, which we absolutely did speak into existence. No, let's let it happen.

Jalen Hertz is still pretty high in the Heisman odds at this point. No, listen, are you telling me the Heisman Trust has a chance to vote for a white quarter. and won't? I mean, last year they didn't. But I mean, like, a good white quarterback. Well. No, the big, no. Now, big, you don't, big old dough, big old dough boys, as much as they love big old dough boys as

candidates. No, Sam Ellinger is not going to win the Heisman. However, I would say this. The phrasing on this, and I might need a ruling from you, Ryan, as the one with a background illegal training. Right. there really isn't is this restricted to this year i mean yes we did say that this was going to be a 2019 bold prediction all right like we're gonna do a new game next year yeah okay and some of these

will roll over yeah yeah because um because yeah he's not winning the heisman this year that's not happening um holly is urban mire taking a job at USC no not this year okay do you know can i one thing about the Urban Meyer to USC thing. Yeah. The one factor I have failed to analyze because I was, I think, I'm going to go ahead and call myself the father of the Urban Meyer to Notre Dame.

That was me. Right? Was that? No, I think I was. No, that was me. All right. We're going to go to the receipts on this one, but I'll seed that.

I deleted on my tweets, dumb, dumb. What is the origin time point for this? Because, like, I mean, I feel like people have been joking about that for years and years. With me, it was when he, I think I was on the show. pretty sure but I'm pretty sure I said this like the second he left Ohio State unfortunately I deleted on my tweet so trademark Ali Anderson the note I am second on this

and support the no because remember you were the one that said we added we had a quarrel about this you were the one who thought it would happen this year so this is specifically oh no no I said Ohio State that we're talking yeah this is Spencer said 20 well I mean this this has come up before like after he left Florida but yeah like the second he got thrown out of Ohio State, I think my first reaction was he'll be at Notre Dame in two years or three years. Yeah, and I said it was going to be faster. So trademark Holly Anderson. Stop, stop saying that like you mean it.

I do. I don't want to, but I do. So this is the one factor I have failed to analyze about Urban Meyer potentially taking a USC gig. I considered the improbable decision making and completely opaque process that USC makes every decision by, right? because there's no telling who they'll actually hire, right? Well, and also they fired Lynn Swan. Well, that's why I don't think it's going to happen right away

because they got some other shit to do first. Yeah, they fired Lin Swan after we made this game. In other news, Lynn Swan was the athletic director at USC. Yeah, that happened. The other factor that I failed to analyze, though, does anyone in Urban Myers family want to hang out with him? Or do they have an interest in a career in entertainment? or show business.

Are they Instagram influencers? That's what I was thinking. I do not know if any of his children are interested in the career, but honestly. Oh, the reverse Chantrell Henderson. Yes. Okay. So Will Greer is getting the USC head coaching job. Congratulations to Will Greer.

Why not? An important factor in my decision-making process was the proximity to TikTok's headquarters. Jason, are either James Franklin or Jim Harbaugh going to wind up. leaving or getting fired from their current positions uh fired no uh could franklin be hired elsewhere i suppose it's possible could harbaugh harbaugh hey listen jim harbaugh i don't really think he's are leaving jim harbaugh and his letter was very clear that our enemies were the ones who circulated reports yeah i think once harvaw uses the e word he's not going to himself become an enemy yeah like like most coaches use coach bullshit jim harbaugh in in his own

way I believe the things he says I believe he believes the things he says you know Franklin I mean I feel like it would take an NFL gig you know yeah because like yeah I don't think USC's that gig because you'll hear him throwing in with that job right and I I don't think it's the gig for him anymore yeah why why start over with what he's built Penn State into why start over I think it's a regional thing I don't think he's a like I don't think West Coast wise I don't think he's got family or connections out there that really wouldn't add up man why do people say people got no family out there like that might not be an attractive thing for some people oh my god i got no family out there that is sort of how the west got settled in the first place

frontier james franklin jesus just go that way dan coach there's gold at u sc how do you think how do you think how do you think pique carroll ended up on the west coach can you imagine pete carroll in like the 20s right hey guys and he was alive in the 1920s by the way because he is a highlander yeah that's right this was a few years before he killed Kennedy. Which one, never mind. Oh my God, what if Pete Carroll is just the Kennedy Reaper? The last 11-pointer.

Can't believe we're not going to entertain this. Can we just save it for a later podcast? That's all I'm asking. It's a whole standalone episode. The last 11-pointer, a Pac-12 title game with only California teams. This actually looks okay for the South, for the North. Like, no, no, it's not happening. this one's this one's out for the north let's just say Oregon state is ahead of

Stanford in the standings yeah nine pointers um okay we only have one more shot at it this feels very Jason is UMass going to beat a big 10 opponent maybe I mean Northwestern they're playing Northwestern could they outscore Northwestern anyone could outscore Northwestern can they score on Northwestern no you know this might be this might be the next the next Twitch challenge right that to play straight up, just play UMass versus Northwestern and see if I can get UMass with help

from Richard or Jason or whoever else. See if we can get UMass their Big Ten win. Yeah, okay. To be clear, if that happens, this one does not cash. We only count real life for this. Oh, that's horseshit. By the way, that's Twitch. That's Twitch.tv slash Banner Society.

Nice job. Great plug. Very smooth. Holly, you take these two No No ACC team makes the playoff No SEC team makes the playoff Either of these is going to happen Nah

Much as we might want them to Okay I do think we might see two big ten teams But I also thought Wisconsin was going to be one of them So that's what I get for thinking Spencer Spencer will South Carolina beat Clemson That's still on the board man

South Carolina lost to Tennessee I don't know No, but they beat Georgia, and that's perfectly South Carolina, right? Yeah. Like, I can see that having another horrendous loss and then seeing something like an upset victory of Clemson, particularly because still maintain, Clemson will peak at the end of the season, but is more vulnerable than they were last year due to losses on that defense. And if there's anything South Carolina is great at, it's the scrap heap game,

where they just look in the fridge and go, well, let's cook something. See what comes out. They are super beat up. So I don't feel great about it. I don't think injuries. I don't think there's anything logical or evidence-based that you can introduce into a South Carolina 2019 will-win won't-win situation. Don't get me wrong. I wish for this to happen because it would be funny.

Jason, you played Breath of the Wild, right? I remain skeptical. Yeah. Yeah. You know when you just start throwing ingredients randomly into the pot, right? Like, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click. And it sometimes comes out edible and it sometimes comes out as pixelated mess. Right, pixelated mess.

Pixelated mess. Pistolated mess. Yeah, porn, yeah. You're eating rotten dicks. Scrambled cinemax. You accidentally. Porn you don't subscribe to snacks. You accidentally made something that helps you beat a Liger.

Yeah, that's like, that's completely South Carolina 2019. Okay. The last one on here. Alabama loses at least two regular season games. Depends entirely on the LSU game. If they lose to LSU, sure. It's on the table. Like, then they could possibly lose to Auburn.

If they don't, yeah, it's not happening. You're overlooking in the Western Carolina, sir. Sorry. Stop discounting the catamouts. Classic, classic catamount hatred for me. One thing, by the way, do you really want to see, do you really want to see Bo Nix versus that Alabama defense? Me personally, yes.

This Alabama defense is not like, it's not for good reasons. It's good, but it's not like the total terror factory that it usually is. Okay. Yeah, I mean, we saw a bow against LSU. It wasn't awesome, but it wasn't like horrible. It's been 15 for 35. Okay. Yeah, I mean, we've certainly seen far worse in Iron Bulls.

I don't know. I don't feel like I have a beat on them, and I don't feel like I will have a beat on them until Ellis. you um the seven pointers i'm going to skip this one because there's too much to talk about um a loss to either elassico participant will determine a playoff spot there are not enough current losses that qualify for this so we're just going to skip it for now uh jason you get these two ls u beats bama and lsu scores over 20 points against bama can your son pull both or either of these off i pick the latter and guess what that one is increasing in uh non bad choiceness it's looking less and less

like a bad idea all the time and that's the best you can say of anything uh as far as beating bama uh i mean they're a touchdown underdog in tuscaloosa so i'm not gonna like if i had to pick one or the other i would not say yes to his hurt but yeah i mean i wouldn't it's likelier than it looked at the beginning of the season. Yeah. It's weird that these, it's now weird that these two are next to each other.

It is one of those things that I understand why it was that way at the beginning of the season that they were both worth seven points, but now it's like, wait, one of these is far more likely than the other. That's crazy.

Yeah, like, FBI gives LSU about a 30% chance. Maybe that feels a little low. Okay. It feels a little high, but. Holly, less Miles and or Mac Brown makes a bowl game. I believe Mac Brown has four wins right now. Les Miles does not. Unfortunately, I feel like Mattress Mac might be headed there.

Yeah. I don't know why I just called it Mattress Mac. We like Mattress Mac. That Duke win definitely helped. And of the remaining games, yeah, they get, I mean, they play a bunch of ACC teams. So yeah. However, however, however, They host Virginia. They can still win the coastal. You see who's lurking the week after Virginia, though, right? I mean, they're right now tied for the coastal lead. If they beat Virginia, they'll hold it outright.

And they have Mercer still on the schedule. No, they already, Western Carolina was already, oh, no, wait, that was last year, wasn't it? Yeah. Do they have an FCS win this? Yeah, they have Mercer. are later in the year. Yeah.

So, yeah, I think you're right. Kansas, on the other hand, not going to get bull eligible, but is scrappier than we thought they would be. Yeah, that's fun. Definitely more festive. They have a whole three wins. Shit.

I don't think there are three more wins on the schedule, though. I will say this, if it comes down to UNC versus NC State. Yeah. Right? If that is for bowl eligibility, man what a horrendous dilemma for anybody trying to pick that karma-wise because you're like well NC State in a situation where they have to come through then you go well on the other side how dependable is my variable there because it's UNC in a pressure situation I don't

yeah I don't see if like if you gave me $400 to bet on that game I just set it on I just set it on fire I'd just eat it I'd eat it at least I'd get something out of it then Spencer is a big 12 school going to have a coaching change this season? And we'll count through, like, up until the late signing day, let's say. Man, you know the biggest one for me is with the number of people who have been yacking about it, like Lincoln O'Reilly at Oklahoma getting hired away for an opportunity he can't turn down, money he possibly can't turn down, right? Because they'll pay him more.

and the opportunity to have the elite class in college and football in general calling him a genius, right, for at least three months before he actually has to coach. Yeah, I think that's the most likely one if you're looking at it. Also, like, when is somebody going to hire Matt Campbell away? I still, that's, he's not, he doesn't want to stay too long at Iowa State because people who stay too long at Iowa State have a tendency to get fired by Iowa State, right? Yeah. He's got to jump at one point. Yeah, I don't know if this is the year that he's going to, like, put on the resume to do that. Maybe. I don't feel like the likeliest might be Matt Rule.

That's like, can, can Baylor get any better than this? I don't know. I don't know. They topped out, but there's also the question of, does he feel comfortable going anywhere else? I will say this. I don't think any, right now, I don't think any Big 12 school is looking to fire their coach. No. Which is a weird feeling.

it's weird but everybody seems to be very either we don't know what we have yet like texas tech right texist tech's just getting started yep um and or they're in the position where we're happy like both parties are happy and we're not sure if there's something better right because that's like baler's thrilled with matt rule matt rule he's probably happy with baler but he's obviously got ambitions we talk to the jets right and in fact let's remind everybody the Jets to stay at Baylor. Worked out. Now he's spun that into a better NFL gig than the Jets.

I think you should turn them down again. I think you should talk to the Jets again and turn them down, right? The other one on the seven-point list, a Pac-12 title game with no California teams, as we told you last episode. UCLA can still win the Pac-12 South. That's all we'll say about that. the five pointers a coach finally gets ejected from a game y'all can disagree with me i feel like this is just never going to happen like i don't think i don't think any

because this is not basketball where it is cultural or baseball where it's like culturally yes we accept that these are things that can happen i feel like there is no ref who will take that step i believe in college football yeah no i believe i believe i believe will must jump you also have to remember that somewhere out there is a ref who's just going to forget yeah right yeah like just forget i already flagged this i already gave you an unsportsman like yeah it's possible yeah no i feel great about it i i still believe in will must jam i still think it could happen okay uh holly we have on here no big 10 team makes the playoff any chance that one pays

i don't think so i don't either i don't know why we had it uh as i mean we're not smart It's not called smart football. That's already a website. It's only a five-pointer. Jason, Ohio State beats Michigan, which is worth more points than Michigan beats Ohio State because, again, we made this game a very long time ago. Because preseason odds are very funny.

Like smart computers said, yeah, Michigan's probably the favorite. What do they know? Just trust narratives and memes. Those are smarter than computers. I think that if video games and B-movies have taught us anything the computer once it gets out into space and on the voyage is extremely dangerous don't think don't listen to information just go with the single dumbest joke you know you know one joke about

every team follow that joke and no follows follow your heart to that don't know i mean like the only exception is when it comes down to like notre dame in a big game versus jim harbo in a big game well something's got to give and now we know which is funnier joke battle um spencer has to answer this one because it'll make him unhappy does florida beat georgia spencer Yes Wow Wow you're gonna take that dogs You better come to our Jackson

Yeah you want to tell me to my face Why don't you come to our live show This might already be up I don't know Marty Bia Who knows? That's not important Come to a different life show It's fine

Last one for the group Tua wins the Heisman No Joe bro No it's Joe baby Okay Tua is still favored that could change very quickly

depending on the result of one game or if Tua has lingering injury stuff I guess Tua is still the safest pick if you like safe picks actually no I looked at it wrong Joe is currently the favorite I apologize you just you'd like to push your son

and I appreciate that about you you don't want him to rest on his laurels Um, three-pointers. No big 12 team makes the playoff. I'll take it. Okay. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not going to bet on it because, like, I think OU is still in really good shape, but it's, for, for, to gamble for three points, sure.

Um, Lee Corser retires. I think at this point, I'm going to take that off the board because his role, is so limited anyway that I don't know what retirement would be right he does like 20 minutes of TV that's exhausting have you've done 20 minutes of TV you know how taxing that is uh it is extremely taxing on the brain yeah but he does like I'm not saying it's insignificant but relative to what he used to do on the show right and whether yeah he makes he makes very carefully planned cameos and caps it so I'm gonna take that off board um Clay Helton gets fired Yeah, that's still, no, that's still happening.

You think that's still happening? Yeah, that shit still happening. Who's, no, but I agree with Holly. Okay. No. I don't think there's, especially now that Lynn Swan is gone, who in the building is even going to know what he looks like? Yeah, who's going to fire him?

I don't think the organization's in place. And also, like, USC has not had, they haven't been as terrible as they have been last year. And because they were so bad last year, it'll be very easy to be like, well, see, he turned around. Can I pitch you something from a different direction? yeah USC's got a little bit going on right now and Clay Helton did not embarrass them this year yet yeah it looks they are in course for about

seven and five and you know maybe you attack on a bowl win I don't think anybody expected any better right I will also go ahead remind everybody you know they could hire they could hire a one-eyed Doberman as their AD tomorrow so who knows there's always that um the last three-pointer to talk about no SEC coach gets fired we also have to talk

about Georgia beats Florida yeah well it's entirely different hmm all right so of the SEC coaches who could get fired Jeremy Pruitt was on this list not that long ago but I feel like that that that has calmed down significantly Derek Mason was on this list, not that long ago, but he got a good win against Missouri and basically, like, dared the administration to find somebody who can handle the job better than he can. And none of the names being floated are like that, like, oh, yeah, you should definitely go get that guy over Derek Mason. There's one in the West that is just glowing red and snorten.

So, yeah, so Chad Morris is the, like, well, there are two in the West. Chad Morris and Matt Luke. old miss has been meaningless this season they haven't done anything egregiously bad or great that I can really think of and the expectations levels

were so low and they have sort of all the institutional flux that we're talking about with USC but at the same time he's basically still an interim coach even if that's not the title at this point and the appetite is certainly The Appetite certainly seems to be there. Chad Morris is the one where

yeah, they're just nude and mad. They're so nude and so mad. And always read. Yeah. And always online. Politically at Old Miss, by the way, given what's happened there this year, I don't see them firing a guy named Matt Luke

who looks like a good old boy because there's been a retrenchment of, you know, genteel fascism at Old Miss this year. So let's just keep a guy named Matt Luke who's like the big old, you know, I'll go 500 because there isn't anybody who's a bigger, good old boy with Old Miss ties that I can think of who's going to be eligible for that job.

This is also me saying that there's a predictable and logical outcome to the decisions made at Old Miss, so who knows. Chad Morris, though, Chad Morris has no cover. The only cover Chad Morris has at this point and the only protection he has is if he starts Jerry Jones kid and is just like, man, Jerry Jones' kid is amazing. He's an incredible quarterback.

comes from a great family comes from a great family a humble a humble family a humble hardworking family yeah a job providing family I want to throw out one more possibility just to terrify everyone what if Auburn loses to Old Miss

Georgia and Bama oh then this is an entirely different conversation which would then if you're counting over their last seven games of this season assuming they beat seven Samford, they would be two and five.

You know, Auburn falling down the stairs has happened, right? And when they miss one, they don't, they tend to just keep, they tend to just keep missing them. What if in this one point to 13 point scale right in the middle there at seven, there's always just Auburn. That's it. Just the word Auburn. And if you pick it, it's like, we all sort of have to agree. Holly has to conclude that this is definitely an Auburn has happened. Did an Auburn take place this season?

Half an Auburn occurred. Yeah. I think right now an Auburn has not occurred. Yeah, we've had no Auburns. No. But they are the, remember, they are the ruiner. So Auburn can both ruin other people seasons and their own, often in a two-week span. And podcasts.

So that brings us to the one-pointers where we'll start appropriately with no PAC-12 team makes the playoff. Auburn has had a hand in that, looking increasingly likely. No, that's, yeah, again, ruining entire conferences seasons, right? Ruining things perfectly informed with Auburn. Also, by the way, it's going to be real fun for Larry Scott. Larry Scott's had just like a real fun couple of years. This will be one more thing to add on. do think, I, I do think the dirt is still being shoveled too, um, too eagerly on the

Pac-12 this year because I'm like, I feel very lost as to how a one-loss Oregon who lost a close game at a neutral site at the very start of the year against a, what should be at least a good SEC opponent. Like, would they need some help? Probably. But not. not like a ton like i don't i don't necessarily see how the case at that point is well yes they're definitely out but a one-loss oklahoma is definitely in uh on this season if you go by uh team rankings strength of schedule organs is stronger than oklahomas if you're comparing one-loss teams and like you could say oklahoma's probably a better team so then it becomes that question but like yeah i agree or organ probably out yes definitely out no no no and also

like this is the move for Oregon this year because Mario Cristobel's whole thing there has been to stock up along the lines and make them a bigger, meaner, beefier team, right? Because that's historically been the big shortcoming for

Pac-12 teams as recruiting particularly quality defensive linemen. Shouts out to Bud Elliot are Banner Society. Banner Society.com and also other places. And other places. Teammate, he will always point out the PAC 12

just doesn't get the same quality of defensive linemen or linemen period and that's been the thing that Christoble's been stocking up on. This is all lead to me saying that if Oregon gets a chance to get like a really good bowl game and they get an like they get the right opponent, they're going to destroy them. Right?

This is one of those ones where you go, well Oregon was left out but in their bowl game they beat someone by 35. Jason and I were talking about this in Slack the other day. I think the biggest X factor for the Pack 12 at this point is is the championship game any good if it's four loss who Arizona team or USC or even if it's USC like it I really think unless it is one maybe two loss Utah in that game against a good team from the north the conference is cooked I think or yeah Oregon and Utah need

each other they both need to keep winning and they need to meet his one losses and that's sort of going all in because then it's like, well, Oregon or Utah, maybe you're missing your Rose Bowl shot. But for the good of the conference, you need each other. You made them, you made them sound like really good settlers of Catan partners. They need each other. Utah has ore. Yeah. Oregon has wood. Oregon has wood. Utah has sheep. Yeah. Yeah. How about that? No, they have clay because everything is, that's the color of their rocks. And Kaylin clay, too. Yeah. Oh, good. We did it. Brian Kelly remains at Notre Dame for 2020.

I feel like we all agree that that one seems impossible. There's no clear indication that's not going to happen, which brings us to our last untouched one-pointer. Two teams make it to bowl season undefeated. Jason, what are your thoughts on this one? Probably a bit more possible than it looked at the beginning of the year, considering Ohio State is stronger than they're expected to be. it's always unlikely but I think it might be a bit more likely this year than usual

Clemson is you know there's no clear loss on the horizon Bama or LSU could do it and Ohio State could do it so you know who else you know who else can throw in here app state yeah if we're also including those teams yeah we are as a shot app has a really good shot yeah so in that case okay App State on November 9th plays South Carolina in Columbia And like Oh

That's a night game too Yeah The possibility You win that Your hardest other game Is the raging Cajuns whom you've already beat So Yeah

That's by the way If they beat South Carolina And then South Carolina turns around And beat Clemson Peak Gamecock which that would give us if that happens what would that give us because that was on here too right Clemson beat South Carolina oh I would not get my one point for that yeah be out of point yeah it would also all give us a degenerative nervous condition that's because that's what

South Carolina football does the suggestion that we don't have one doing this podcast already is flawed