Shutdown Fullcast - Champions Fall Twice

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

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Why are you laughing? Why are you laughing about Ryan? Trauma Lawrence fell down twice and he scored again when he did. How many times do you fall down when he fell down again when he's trying it back up oh they had to know touch him a little bit on the butt I'm sorry, what? He caught up and ran it to the endsohn. Because they didn't touch him.

Because they didn't touch him. Oh, my God. Oh. You gonna be okay? I think so. Oh, boy. Ah. I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay, I'm okay.

The pancake block, like, right to his left. The pancake block, like, right to his left, when he's laying on the ground. And it's laying on the ground. And it's like, oh, my. my gosh there's an alley if he can if he can stand up if he can stand his whole six foot 25 foot ass up he he might be able to lumber fourth and then he takes one step and you're like oh my god he's going to score he's so fucking huge he's going to score you're like just fall over all he's got to do is lean his tall ass forward and he's going to score you're like fall forward two steps son that's all i need you to do and like at least half of the comedy is that this happened to the chiefs because like the team that gets away with this shit that for six years has gotten away with this shit like now it now it happens to them i think well i think that it's the variety of getting away with for instance like the chiefs would have i think in the darkest of all timelines they would have gotten some crazy series of past interference calls on the last like you know desperate heave and then they would have kicked the winning field goal

right but this time it was the jags being like hmm other teams have tried beating you competently what if we tried the other thing i mean yeah like normal chief's game is Lawrence just falls down and you're like oh my god said the chiefs like coalition of wizards caused Trevor Lawrence to fall down and that's how the jags lose and it's like oh poor jags typical jags always you know but like this is a reversal of everything and i loved how um terrible that game winning drive was. It was like delay of game. Like two of the greatest fucking throws in the world with two delay of game penalties.

Like an absolute disaster of a game winning drive is the kind of thing that would usually go in the chief's favor, not against the chiefs. And what a brilliant reversal this was. It was, I was sitting next to my wife, a chief fan from Kansas City. And it was literally the maddest I've ever seen her in her life. And I'm like, hey, listen, you root for a normal football. team now. You're down here with the rest of us now. This is what it's been like while you were up there in a little palace of magical victories every week. They're like, yeah, this sucks, doesn't it?

Sucks being normal, huh? You got to get your own groceries. Was it fun? I hope it was fun. I know it was fun. There's this like clip of Liam Gallagher backstage at one of his solo shows or one of his like high flying, it wasn't high flying burst because that's an hole. But it was one of Liam's solo shows and he's making tea and he goes, Buck in the 90s, you know, everybody made tea for us now, you know, got to make your own tea. There you go, Chiefs, you've got to make your own tea now.

Got to make your own tea, lad. You know? The other, oh, the other comedy was Chris Jones. She's just sort of standing there. Like, listen, man, I'm really huge. It's been a long day. You expect me to run all the way over there just to make sure. He's down, right?

Some other person can go make sure he's down. Oh, man, listen, there's three of y'all who were closer to him than I am. I'm just going to stand here. I kind of like that he looked at it and he's like, this is a stupid play. I got paid $100 million. I'm not going to, you didn't pay me to $100 million to play stupid football. Man, I wear a number 95. Number 95 is not supposed to be running down people like this.

I ain't doing no running. That's not happening. Albert Hainsworth was just economical with him. That's what that's called. My job is shove. My job is not run. You run. You run.

You're little. You run. you've seen you've seen my you've seen my 40 run in the NFL draft combine you know what I'm dragging around this is work like honestly if he ran it'd be just kind of for show oh look look at all this hustle I mean what if he got there and Trevor just daked him right like what if Trevor I anything could have happened at that point you could tell me anything could have happened he fell twice he yeah he fell he fell mid fall and everyone saw it

this wasn't a random one o'clock game this was the final play just about of the NFL weekend everyone's everyone marveled in it if you watch it so I think it's the guard who steps on his foot

right something like that and the guard steps on his foot and when he does he still got his eye on his man but he knows he's fucked up like he knows he knows that he probably

stepped on Trevor and so he kind of seizes and does this enormous second kickout like ah ah theatrical kickout like yeah make sure you see this foot i'm waving it real high yeah Trevor i think he's like oh they definitely gonna be looking at me on tape you got to see this like sick kickout i'm gonna do look at this incredible technique yeah look at it man i definitely didn't just almost lose the game for us by stepping on my fucking cubies toes O-line coach is screaming out and you're like, yeah, but the rest of the footwork. Yeah, did you see that pass set?

Did you see that pass that? Did you see the footwork after the footwork? You're yelling at me about? Yeah, come on. This was like, this is such a funny, funny game. There was like, um, my Holmes threw a hundred yard pick six on a no look pass and it's like, you're out of sauce, man. You need a sauce resupply.

That no look stuff was real cute when it worked, but you should have looked on that one, man. Both teams had a 99-yard mistake. Yeah. Like the Jags wouldn't have had to do all this If they had just scored from the one yard line in the first quarter And then the cheese nearly nearly ran back the kickoff after all of this Like oh my God I like that the Jags infected the chiefs

That's the good thing is that You're down here with us Yeah everyone started they're like yeah you're ready to play real Jags ball Like you saw Liam Cohen after the game in the locker room He's like hey hey it was messy I say so He had the look of a man who had seen the axe fly an inch from his face. And going, whoa, what a time to be alive.

The dude who was mocked for his subpar Duval upon being hired, he is minted now. No, he's in. This man is Duval. I think he should coach, like, if they have an extraordinary season, which at 4 and 1, and clearly this lucky, yes, that's a good way to play. They might. If they do something like go to the AFC championship, game. If they win a Super Bowl, leave. Leave. Oh, yeah. Don't try to run this back.

No, don't run this back. Oh, man, I love everyone here so much. I'm gone. What are you going to do? I'm going to go to Kentucky. Parlay this into anything. I'm going to the Kentucky head job. Yeah. Oh, hey, are we talking about the Jags? That's right. Oh, thank God. Okay, good. Hey, sorry I'm late. Not America's team, but definitely Jacksonville's team. What do you mean they're not America's team? One in the same. One in the same. I love in NFL FPI. They rank number 17 at 4 and 1. I love it.

Do we want to explain those to our maybe pre-K kids back in total defense and whatnot? No. They can catch up. Cool, cool, cool. That's, but yeah, Liam Cohen last night after the game had the look on his face of just like a guy who had made a really ill-advised bet in Vegas and cashed in on it. And then said, Yeah, and then was like,

let's go to Cirque de Soleil kids before I lose the mortgage. Anybody was getting into. And now they get to go to London, I think. They get to go to London. What a ultimate Jags experience. Okay, be real.

I know there's a lot of other business at factors, but let's be real. They are in London so that they can say Jaguars just once, right? Mm-hmm. Like, it doesn't, doesn't really work with the Texans. Texans.

The Texuanes. There's some sort of weird. There's already a U. There's already a superfluous U in Houston. Tix. Yeah, there's no way to say Texans with a... Houston. The Houston Texans.

The Houston Tick, Ticksons. Do you know... You have to go Australian to make it work. You have to go Kiwi. Texans. Looking through NFL team names, I think the only one that strikes me as more London would be the...

do dolphins. There we go. There we go. The titans. The titans. Taitans. In it. Actually, if you, if you, if you, if you rearrange the letters and you spell it wrong, it's the Tennessee in its. Oh my God. Oi. The Leones. Oh, there we go. Now we're just getting French. The cardininals. Well, no, no, wait. British people fuck up French worse than we do. Yeah, how the fuck should we know what that shit sounds like they got like 12 accents on that tiny little ass island i can't keep up with all that it really is man the Alabama or england has been the comparison for so long but linguistically is it maybe like pennsylvania or england Pennsylvania or great rotin yeah yeah yeah yeah they got a highland they got uh

they don't well they do have a like a world cultural class city Pittsburgh um and then they have like the row of hooligan slum of Philadelphia. I agree. You're actually Delco. I trust those people implicitly. London, Pittsburgh, got rivers. I want one NFL team shortened randomly. Like the British decide to shorten things.

Like there'll be a word that's like, Chal Monly. And you're like, how do you say that? And they're like, Charles. Chul. We referred Bly. Yeah. The Dallas. Kuz.

The WB, the WBOs. Yeah. Actually, if you take, wait, maybe that's it. Maybe this is the answer, and it expands the market past London. You take all of the vowels out of the Dallas Cowboys, and what do you have left? That's Welsh. Yeah, add some apostrophe. Leave the Y, take everything else out, and that's Welsh.

The Dulce cubes. The Coos. Mimi, me, me, Dolvin. Also, don't tell me that, man, just to pursue further this Philly Philadelphia or the British Isles thing, don't tell me those people wouldn't love parading around at Christmas with a horse's head. That's got to be some ceremony from a thousand years ago that they still do and don't know why. They could put the horse's head on top of the telephone pole that they've climbed, yeah.

That's Big Head Charlie, the horse we bring out because our great uncles did for no reason. End of the episode, drop back in, Big Head Charlie has been fired. Isn't the thing, though, that the horse goes around talking, right? It's a, okay, so it's a, we've, I feel like we've done this before. Yeah, this is what you need to know about this. I am not going to try and fuck up the pronunciation of the Welsh, but it is a, it is a Welsh holiday tradition where they put a horse skull, like a full grown honest to God horse skull on a pole. Like, like, it looks like one of those hobby horses, but it's, it's just a horse skull on a stick.

And sometimes also it has a cape, and it is a, it is a Christmas caroling device. they take it from house to house. There are all kinds of rowdy traditions. Oh, I've seen this guy in Elden Ring. Ivarie Lude, yeah. Oh, you're going to try. You got to kind of like...

No, I check the pronunciation. That's as close as I can get. You got to get a little Sabin with it with those double-ills. You have to blow more air than you think you're actually going to need through those elders and it's like Lude. Mary Lueud.

Mary Lewin? Mary Lloyd. I see in Mary Lug. The dead horse. Get back in here. I've seen Mary Looid in Diablo. but yeah that's it goes around like talking so of course I talks I just want to yeah it oh yeah so it's where you move the mouth or whatever yeah so the whole the whole thing is like

they sing a song that they seem like a let us in song and the people in the house are like no no no no and they and they and they and they sing a let us in song and the people house like no no no no and eventually one side is supposed to relent but uh sometimes they don't oh and it's a dispute that continues this thing's badass I like it I love it. Yeah. I just wanted to pop my head in the window. Like, I'm sitting there on a Welsh night when the sun went down at 3.30 p.m.

Right? And I'm on my 19th beer. And all of a sudden, a horse head pops in and goes, go birds, dickhead! Oh, my God. And, like, yeah, man, it's not just a horse's head. It's like, this is a fucked up horse's head. No, it's a fuck. Yeah.

Like, like, don't undersell this thing. No, it's like some mid-so-mar horse's head. Yeah, it's that good like, hey, we express ourselves. be an animal sacrifice and skulls we live very close to the ocean very far up north shit yeah go look at go look at some of the pictures it is terrifying yeah if i'm like if i'm like 19 welsh beers deep and i see this thing i'm like fuck yes like this is very much a man it might go the hitchbot way shit i'd ask why isn't it talking to me this thing versus hitchbot hitchbot is doomed horses head won't talk to me it's rude we respect it because we can't kill it

twice this is that we're doing the marie rude here it's so happy in the photos there's a jauntiness to it it's like makes it even more terrifying this horse demon just loves to hang out okay vibes I like this thing why isn't this a mascot somebody needs to what are we yeah you know where the uh we're the we're the every state Christmas skull horses yeah I'm a little bit Welsh I'll get a tattoo of this thing I'm trying out of real estate. Yes. Do you have room for this?

Do you have like a back? This seems like the horse head has a vaguely triangular shape, maybe like a shoulder blade situation. We got room. We got room. There are always room at the end of Jason's skin. That's right. For this thing, yes.

How was your family getting ready for the holidays? Well, we found a really nice horse skull. We're going to take it around and make it talk. Yeah. Texas was like, this whole time was like Texas has been like, oh, thank God. they're not talking about us and Texas just perked up like oh they're talking about us oh we're going to talk about you texas oh god we're going to talk about you're going to be talked about yeah because you know what you aren't you aren't four in one like america's team

the jacksonville jackwires Trevor Lawrence dropped two of the greatest throes of his career yeah yeah all on top of two to leave of game you're like idiot genius idiot genius Like, when people say, I've said this before, but when people say video game quarterback, they're talking about like, oh, I threw for 600 yards. No. Trevor Lawrence last night was video game quarterback. Every play was like, doesn't know buttons, genius, doesn't know buttons, perfection. And see, isn't that really what should make an America's team? I can't find an argument. Oh, I love this guy.

Oh, I'm throwing the sticks. Yeah. Fucking up our way towards something in some way. Yes. Yes. He's tried every bad idea. What if we tried the good idea out of spite? Oh, my God. Nope, fuck that.

Go back to the bad idea. Fall on the ground. Twice. At once. I don't feel like there's... Every descriptor I've seen of this Trevor Lawrence fall has been correct. Which is kind of incredible. It's hard to oversell.

He created... I think my two favorites were he looked like somebody threw him off a roof. And he looked like a baby giraffe that had just been blown. Which are not two things you'd normally associate with one another, but are both unassailably correct when you look at this video. It looks to me like the floor had tilted. The floor had risen up to meet him. He looks like Yamcha from Dragon Ball when he gets like smashed. In the crater.

He look in the crater. For a second, he looks like yomcha in the crater. Somebody posted with a scene from Metal Gear like press triangle to clop to peel yourself off ground. It was no escalators. They posted a kiff of like, Trevor Lawrence is down there mashing triangle trying to get up. Hits the ground so hard, he fails twice. Do you know what it reminded me at the first fall? Have you ever seen like a really big hockey fight where there's enough blood or vomit

so that you can see like the warmer liquids bounce on ice? I don't think a lot of people know this. Yeah, yeah. It was like he bounced off of, he bounced off of that turf like in a way that made the turf appear to be much more solid than it actually was that man fell so hard he fell according to dream logic like you know in a dream in a dream where you're like you're dreaming about being sleepy but you're trying to get up because you got to run for the whatever but you're like I literally cannot will any of my limbs to move because I'm asleep that's what he looked like like oh my god I need to stand up so quickly

but nothing is working Trevor Lawrence in that moment when he was asked about it said what was your emotion when you were there Laura Rutledge was interviewing him and said what was that like what were you experiencing and he turned to the camera and said panic yeah man blind panic which means that your reaction and his reaction are the same

which is fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck shit I'm laying down that's bad this is a the college football NFL different rule in this way in college football he would have been down so like I like that receivers are down

and don't have to get hit. But we should change the rule. If you fall down off your own in the backfield, you should get to get up and see what you can make of it. Yeah, this wouldn't have even been a play in college. Yeah, it would have been the end of the game. We finally found the one way in which the NFL is superior. It allows for a multimillion dollar athlete.

The 99% are right, that 1% of athletes who get to the NFL and who are in the top tier of American tax paying. income to fall down on their ass twice in the middle of a play. Look up in front of what, 55,000, 60,000 people in Duval County all looking at you going, oh no. You look up and go, yeah, it's bad. He's a millionaire, but this, this, this, I almost said this kid. They're always kids to us at this point. He's 26, yeah. This, this cherub has spent the most important earning years of his life in Clemson and Jacksonville. Let's let him have a little treat. It's great. We love it. and the panic was relatable

panic was absolute he made something of it he pulled it out that's all he had to do once he got up you're just like lumber over buddy as soon as he was on his feet I was like oh shit I know we said this a mere 20 minutes ago but like he's three steps away

he's so close to so many good things happening and so many bad things happening all in the same space remember that panel of Captain Marvel where she's like sometimes people forget that I can do that. Yeah. And then she shoots lightning.

This is like if you did that, but then you fell over so hard that you people were afraid that you were concussed. And then you did it again. And then you shot lightning. I've never seen, I don't know if I've ever seen a no contact concussion before. Wow. I mean, people in Florida,

they're like, oh, the ground's spongy. That shit is compacted sand. The turf itself is very soft. Trevor wants has fallen into the limestone cave beneath the earth of the mind. it would not have been without it would not have been outside the possibility of the jags reality for him to fall in so hard he went through the limestone and into a sinkhole he's in the aquifer yeah he's in god damn he just baneed himself let's get bill lamonia in here

if you're in the aquifer technically are you in bounds or out of bounds and i can rollbooks yeah you're like the end zone extends forever in all directions so if he gets it across the plane down there and we can verify it you know we just need an angle yeah like Can you dig under the turf in the NFL? Can you? You know, this might be relevant. I saw a TikTok this week that had a medical doctor, an internist, explaining how basically human beings are elongated donuts with an entrance point

and an exit point for food. The question, obviously, was if Frodo had stuck the ring up his butthole, would he have disappeared? And this doctor was explaining that no, because fundamentally, you know, you see several, several scenes in the, in the films where Frodo and Bilbo have the ring clenched in their, in their hands and their fists and they don't disappear. They don't disappear unless the ring is enclosing some part of them. So in a way, when you think about it like this, if you think about us as like these canollies with food passing through the middle, we're really just walking canoli shells, if the ring is somewhere within that tube, it is in a way still outside of

you? Yeah, because in that sense, then we are the ring. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He did go on to say, if you could put it on, you know, you to imply. Okay, we don't need to get tawdry. Yeah. What if it catches, you have some sort of an ulcer or something, and the ring affixes itself to it within you at that point? I guess if there's like, if they're like, yeah, I guess you'd probably disappear,

but at that point, maybe being seen by being seen by sawm would be preferable, because if you've got like ulcers inside you or like internal polyps that are to the point of being like stalagmites i think you probably got more so on's like i have bad news and bad news i guess the thing is like if bilbo's you know a hundred and whatever and like froto you know is a teenager at 80 exactly who knows what's growing in there like that man was hanging out with gollum for like a decade who knows what's going on although i mean hobbits don't exactly it's you know Hobbits in the chat, call in and let us know one way. We do have some listeners who resemble Hobbits.

Well, because on one hand, on one hand, it seems, they seem to be a fairly relaxed people who probably are, have like an earthier sensibility about the parts of medical care that involve things going up your pooper. But on the other hand, they get real high a lot. So I can kind of see them being like, oh, shit, I'm 45. I forgot. No, I'm telling you, the hobbits are not cool with prostate health. They're not, that's not something that they're squeamish.

If they're meant to be British, they're squeamish. Now, the elves, the elves, on the other hand, the elves are, too much prostate. Elves are too much prostate talk. I haven't been checked in two weeks. Yeah, Elron's like, slow day. I know what, I know what we can do. You know, when he wakes up in Rivendale and it's 10 o'clock in the morning on October the 24th, and, and Legulus walks in with that, like, kind of surprised look on his face, and he's a little bit high.

that's where he's come from. Yeah. Yeah, that's why he looks blissful all the time. He knows that he's prostate cancer-free. Now, Gimley, of course, loves mining. Yeah, that's more of like a recreational colonoscow situation. Delve too deep, if you do it. Too greedily.

Yeah. Tumms in the deep, no less. Where does they have a cave troll fit into this situation? You don't see a single chair or stool in those mines, do you? All server's taking off his glasses. Yeah. Sorry, buddy. Spencer, you said something like five minutes ago

that reminded me of Dr. Shin in Oklahoma. I forget what it was. It wasn't. Maybe it was some of the medical exam stuff. But the latest news, have you seen this from Thamble about John Mateer? I have not. How is this again?

He's trying to play on Saturday against Texas. I knew it. I knew it. 17 days after hand surgery. Okay. The hype videos are going to a whole new level if this is not just a ruse. In his favor, maybe he saw the Texas Florida game and was like, that doesn't look hard.

What are they going to do? Hit me? Yeah. It's like, G. Lagway? Lagway threw for $2.90 on them? I could do that with my other hand. Oh, Johnny Matere with one hand's got $3.50 in the bag, baby.

We're running the option. They're just going to outfit him with like a robocop hand. The first quarterback with a club. Just give him the big hand from Happy Gilmore. the big fake hand. Yeah, I think you should be able to play with any sort of, with any sort of hand or foot injury in the, in college and professional football.

If you can put like, you know, they don't want people playing with like metal splints and shit on, on arms that can hit people. But I think if you can do it with like a Hulk fist or a moon boot, you should be allowed to do that. Yeah, give them a mitt. The Reggie White Club.

Like, if you want to try and swing that shit around. This is how brilliant. What we could do is he could sort of toss the ball with one hand and bat it with his club. There we go. Yeah, or you could do the Aussie rules thing where you hit it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a visual medium.

You can see him doing the like Aussie games. You know, you heard the ballop. You know what that sounds like. You know what the bloop is. We could serve it overhand like tennis. You could head butt it. It's Texas Week. Have some fun.

Yeah, yeah. He's going to try to play. Okay. Sure, man. They're going to get Dr. Sheen the highest. if you're if you're if you're if you're a texas defender you are now put in the position of being the worst person in the world right it's like he's laying there his hand is falling off he's laying there his hands falling off and you're like i got a step on it it's for the team football's the

best sport in the world if you fuck up your hand as a defensive end you do that shit as soon as he's on the sideline dr shin materializes and like what you're going to do about that he's already fixed it doctor shin Dr. Shin. That's his music. That's his, that's sweet shin music. I mean,

J.R. is there potentially on the sidelines for the Sooners. He can call it, right? By God. By God. The good doctor is here. The good doctor is here. Dr. Shin. This feeds into, Jason, I want to, Spencer Serber,

I want to catch Jason up real quick on like the 2 a.m. idea we had during after dark. They're doing these in-game interviews that have proliferated through basketball and baseball. and have now gone to football where you have to talk to these college football coaches in the middle of a game because they don't already hate the interviews that they have to do already enough. And, you know, there's, I find there's very little utility to these games. I think sideline reporters can, can, I think that we should trust sideline reporters in general more to come up with their own interesting stories along the sidelines, because if you, you know, look at our buddy Cole Kublich for a perfect example, there's very interesting ways to do this.

But UNC has given me an idea because I imagine we want to see. spend some time talking about UNC this weekend. Let's use this as a bridge. UNC has given me an idea. Like Bill Belichick is never going to say an interesting syllable on the UNC sidelines, not during a game, not before, not after, hasn't before. It's not about to start now. I want to hear from all of the rich alums who UNC has been importing, I don't know how

much we'll see them the rest of the year, to stand on the sidelines. Because do you know who I would have loved to hear through, like, hear from, like, a quarter into that Clemson game? Julius Peppers. Put a mic in Julius Pepper's hand on the sideline after a quarter. order and let's see what's interesting. Like Texas has done this before with McConaughey. You've seen it with USC a little bit with Will Ferrell and whatnot.

You know, occasionally if you get like a hyper-famous person on the sidelines, you'll get a clip. But, you know, like Mia Hamm was there in the first week. Let's hear from Mia Hamm and what she thinks of how TCU is running roughshot over the fine boys in powder blue. I'm looking through UNC alumni now. Let's see. Who else could we get?

That's Taylor Branch. Like before he left, wouldn't you have loved to hear from Michael Jordan during that TCU game? Yes. Yes. Yes, as a matter of fact. The most disgusted man you've ever heard in your life. This is actually another good exercise. They've already run through so many and they've run through a lot of their luminaries and they've got a long schedule left to play and not a lot of winnable games looking on the schedule. Who were they going to scrape down to? I don't know, but I only want to hear from Lawrence Taylor end game about the UNC Tar Heels. We could go Lewis Black. I bet he would have some things.

Yeah, that's a good one. I got so excited. I thought this was Richard Kind. It's Richard Kern. Apologies to me. No! Yeah, we'll take it. We'll take it. They're terrible! Thomas Wolfe. Let's dig up Thomas Wolfe.

Andy Griffith. Are they so bad? They've pissed off Andy Griffith. Zombie Andy Griffith rises. people to exhume Shelby Foot. I bet Shelby Foot would have some bars about this team right now. I'd be rooting for the losing team. You want to see Shelby, you love a lost cause. Let's get in here, buddy. They scan over and David Brinkley is they're pissed off. I'm David Brinkley and I am appalled at this defense. Welcome to the shutdown fullcast you are listening to the internet's only college football podcast i am

spencer hall joined as always by jason kirk holly anderson and on the ones and two's michael surber i got it you got it rick d's is a unc alum he could narrate this tumble in peak radio voice or in the disco duck voice yeah yeah yeah um i wanted to since we We had a couple of late ads to the show doc. A thing that exists. A thing that exists. I'm going to make one other late ad, which is I'm going to share news from Chapel Hill.

I wanted to share this from W.R.A.L. News that came out yesterday. Did you get an absolutely terrifying pop-up ad in the middle of that for like dust mites that live on your eyelids? I did. I did. Oh, good. That's in every story. W.R.A. Can y'all take that down? I think it really adds to the storytelling. It gave me night terrors. On the phone, it's definitely a value ad. Yeah. No, but then it comes up again. I got it twice in the same story. Yeah. Not effective. That's a terrible ad.

If we're talking about it right now. Um, W.R.A.L has this report about what's going wrong at. Wait, what was that? W.R.R.L. W. Rail. All right, let's start the story now. It's pronounced, it's pronounced Dubrow. That was Spencer's Philadelphia accent. Sorry, yeah.

It's the Philly creeping in on me, man. I'm not taking this shit from North Carolina. Serber, why don't you say it? Authentic Carolinian. Let's hear it. WRL. Oh, see, not so easy now. WR.R.R.R.R.

Shit. W.R.A.L. W.R.A.L. Yeah, nailed it that time. Tommy Tomlinson. Call in. We need you. Yeah. Give us a ring so you can. I would love to hear from Tommy Tomlinson during this situation. Put him on the sidelines. This report is. This report is credited to one of my favorite things, which is multiple sources with knowledge of the inner workings of Belichick's program. Many of whom they point out during the story are parents of players on the team.

Mm-hmm. This is it. Accusations of a toxic, unstructured environment where the quote is from a source with first-hand knowledge of the program. It's an unstructured mess. There's no culture, no organization. It's a complete disaster. No culture. Not even a bad culture.

No culture. No discipline and no structure from the people who were going to make this the 33rd NFL team. Yeah. I thought that was the whole brand. Let's do your job, all that shit. I thought that was their whole deal. Didn't they spend the whole, whole stuff? Do you know what I love about this?

Do you know what is great about this? Somebody said this earlier, and I forget who, and I'm sorry about that. But everything that every critic of Bill Belichick said was going to go wrong during this season has gone wrong, along with ways that we completely failed to predict. Yeah, yeah. Like, we got, we got, we got yes and did by the universe. I think if we were, you know, like how we probably would have scripted it is he's such a hard ass that today's teens don't like him. In fact, he's a no ass.

He's not even a hard, he would be better if he were a hard ass. A couple of, a couple of samples from here, players who followed Steve Belichick from Seattle at the University of Washington to the new gig. have field access whereas the other players don't no no one family one player's family has field access which no other players have thatius dixon who followed belichick or transferred in have like preferential parking and shit i think the thing with any story like this is like yeah there's probably a whole lot of it is you know is accurate and then like not questioning the reporting at all you know there's probably parts that are like eh if they were winning then nobody would make a fuss blah blah blah blah blah my single favorite detail that who knows who knows

to what extent it is the experience of every player on the roster is the part about Steve just doesn't talk to his player. Steve just doesn't talk to them. He said they've never talked to them. Steve just sort of shouts up points at whiteboard leaves.

Jason was talking about how there's some stuff that's true and there's some stuff that's isn't. There's probably also a different category of stuff in this story and it's very long and you should read it but turn on ad blocker first because damn, nightmares. But But there's probably also a category of information in this story of stuff that is true and sounds wild and may, in fact, be a really strange and dumb way of treating people, but is a ubiquitous practice already within college football?

Yeah. Like this, you know, there's, there might be, like, I'm reading through this and I'm trying to poke holes in it, right? Because that's just, you know, that's, that's how we approach this things. And I'm, you know, they're talking about preferential treatment. And, you know, I could see this coming out. If coaches from another industry came in and preferred walk-ons were suddenly surprised to learn that they were treated differently from scholarship players while also being treated differently from regular walk-ons, right? That is something that people might find, you know, offensive that is just kind of a way of life. And I think there's probably some of that in here as well. But then you get to your point, Spencer, to the part about players don't have their position coaches cell phone.

number. Parents being told in my favorite detail was parents being told in the building not to approach Bill Belichick. Can you imagine Mack Brown if his players refused and the parents refused? Like, come over and say hi to me. Come on. Get over here. Hug up. He should park a rocking chair. He should park a rocking chair out in front of the athletic department building and just be like, come sit on my lap, mama. Do you want to talk to a coach? I'll talk to you. Tag in Mac as friend. Interim friend Interim friend do you need to talk Mac Brown is here and like

Mr. Mr. Softy Huggy Mac Brown was like winning six or more games a year This shit ain't winning six games This like aloof mean guy shit It's worse It's so much worse Now all of them like The funniest part to me is that all of them are like

Oh great teacher Like man when he's one on one I found the phrasing I found the phrasing it was from our listener Katie At Cates of Heaven on Blue Sky who says so basically every single concern people going in has been substantiated in a way even his critics likely didn't anticipate check yeah yeah i mean i guess i believed in his ego enough to assume the team would be better than this i assumed he you underestimated the difficulty and i assumed he made a horrible hire in michael lombardi but like i assumed he would give enough of a shit to have a team that didn't look like ass i didn't realize he would just i didn't realize he just didn't give a shit Yeah, because the whole, like, this whole time, he is not coaching like a guy who wants to go back to the NFL. He's not coaching like a guy who wants anything right now, which is weird because, you know, he, he was trying so hard and so publicly to catch back on with an NFL game famously for this program, could not even get hired by the Falcons.

and now it's it's like what what do you what is your objective here like I can't figure out his objective I can't figure out the the super objective here like especially if you're if you're trying to install if you're trying to install your son as your coach and waiting and they are in a way that is that is contrary to both UNC and I think state nepotism laws in North Carolina and he doesn't even have his player's phone number like I there are a whole bunch of ways this could have gone dumb and they picked like the sexy secret third thing they picked all of them I think I was just thinking like right before you mentioned like the Falcons broke this man the Falcons refusing to hire this man broke him you're welcome for the comedy America

most most credit Atlanta Falcons not even those assholes want me I'll just go down to college and do a shitty job I'll show them I'll show them I'll show them I'll show you Show them what I think of football. I'm going to say something that sounds sympathetic, but stay with me here for a second. There's a steep learning curve to entering college football at this time is one way of looking at it. Because of, and I'm not talking about, oh, you know, I, we're not here to whine about the transfer portal. We're not here to whine about NIL. We support the payment and mobility of players and pretty much have.

Like you can, you can check any of us as far back as you want on that front. it is a difficult time organizationally because you are having to change you know what what made Alabama work was the machine was the was the process was the was the automation the the human led automation uh that nick instilled in in Tuscaloosa and the you know the capital P process which does not just cover coaching it's how how to run a huge organization at speed in a spotlight under the greatest level of efficiency. And how they're doing that with the rise, the very sudden and fast rise of this GM culture,

you could argue this is a more difficult job to take on than it would have been in other years to take on a program of this size and this caliber, but also experienced athletic departments all around you are also struggling with this at the same time. So you can even look at it as a way of, you know, the playing field is more even for new people, for new people coming into this at the first time because, you know, Winston-Salem, Raleigh, Durham probably also has some athletic departments who are struggling to adjust to, okay, we have to completely upend the way we do business. So, you know, I've seen some people say like, oh, it's a hard time to be entering this industry. Well, yeah, but that part of it that's hard is hard for everybody right now. And also, I would argue this is by far, by far, the easiest point ever in college football history for these NFL guys to come in because

they know that they know the terminology now they know you have a budget that you can talk about in public now they know you can say we offered that guy three million you they know like there is so much shit that translates that did not translate 10 to 160 years ago so like you should be okay at it like you're coming in you know how it works it works very differently and you better be humble about that but like all the you know the college football is so weird and hard if you're coming from the NFL it is nowhere remotely near as weird as it used to be so you should be okay at it yeah we even i think we even talked on the show like maybe a year ago about you know wondering whether we would see a shift

and we've seen a couple of shifts in the types of guy you get in the head coach and the types of guy that it's fashionable to hire over the years you know there there are there are the ball coach ass ball coaches. There are the CEO guys, like you're, you know, there's, there's your dabbos and stuff like that. And we had talked very specifically, you know, not too long ago about, you know, are we going to see a, you know, how is this head coaching profile going to change as this CEO need is coalesced into this entire other position. But yeah, they're, they're bad at the stuff they're new at, and they're bad at the stuff that they should have been better at than anybody else coming in the door. It's wild.

So I'm going to read you a quote from a piece four days ago by Bruce Feldman and Ralph Rousseau in the athletic fine publication. Employ some brilliant people who write newsletters. This is the quote. What I think they miscalculated is the way that they were taking players in the portal and paying dudes. It said one group of five head coach granted anonymity, et cetera. It made me wonder, did they actually understand the land? landscape they were in. Did they understand that they're in the ACC, not like Conference USA or the Sun Belt?

It gets worse. It gets so much worse. Like, we got beat by North Carolina on a bunch of kids. I was like, why the fuck is North Carolina beating us on kids? When I keep running up against the same P4s over and over again recruiting, I'm like, all right, they're going to suck. We put that quote in the newsletter on Sunday, and it blew up. So many people clicked.

Like, basically, is this, is this really in the story? Are you all, yes, it's really in the story. It's verbatim. A coach said that exact quote to Bruce, which is essentially, like, does UNC think they're a G5? Right. Does UNC think they're a mid-major? Like, they were dropping fucking bags on dudes they arguably shouldn't have even been recruiting. Which, like, you got to have, you.

It's like, they're aiming too low. is weird it's so weird so weird so this is when you go like like they're just like i get a bunch of fucking guys in here and then they'll look at bill bellichick and the aura will make them good so no that's that was my question like are they because of the timeline because of the timeline they had to work with here because when did he come in December he was hired December 11 pretty normal right so so because of that timeline I can kind of see a scenario where and this is probably again on me for trying to make reason out of this but I can see a scenario where, like, I'm Mike Lombardi, I'm chewing on my own fist in a corner, and I'm thinking,

you know, okay, I can see a business brain case for, you know, if you're just trying to do this, like, math of saying, like, okay, we're probably out for this year on the best players across the board. But because we are in the NFL, we know what it takes to be in the NFL, we can go get a bunch of G5 kids and just coach them up because, like, were they overrelying on their own abilities, their own predicted abilities to develop these kids, or did they even think that far? I think this was, I think this is an extension of Bill Belichick's draft philosophy over the past like five to eight years with the Patriots.

They traded down. They trade it down. In his mind, they traded down. In his mind, they traded down. And the guys that they get back for 41 guys. I think they did. I think they thought, okay, well, we operate with a cap now when that isn't exactly true, right? It's not like that.

And, like, according to this quote, Coach Bruce quoted, they were throwing too much money at these kids. So, like, the cap they had, they blew past that at a low tier. They essentially walked in. We're going to buy a G5 team for ACC money. Right. This is before any of the shit that was already a bad look where they come in and tell kids to leave. Like, this is before you even get to the shit that went down with that. And now, according to an open letter, Lombardi,

wrote to the boosters, football scoved had it, they have completely flipped from like, we're going to pile in dozens of transfers, so we're going to sign dozens of recruits, which is like, okie-dokey, that's been done before, it's been done fine. This class is fucking huge. It's 36. They want 40.

And like, my favorite note, put in the newsletter day, is like, yeah, it ranks top 20 because it has so many people in it. Which means it is now within range of two classes Mac Brown had like five years ago. like you are you are almost you are almost recreating mac brown in the aggregate

just as far as your recruiting rankings go but like he won three times as many games if i'm back i write an open letter congratulating them on that congratulations on referencing sam hinky these little bomb these little bomb motes that that lombardy is dropping through here he is already like it is right now october 7th this letter has been out for a few days and this letter contained things like, you know, patient. He's urging patience. It is, it is, we are heading into week seven and the, the chancellor or whoever at UNC is already preaching patience to people. And by the way, not for nothing. And I know this is a trope, but it's a trope because it's true, and this is one of a handful of schools in the country where you could point to and say,

this is about to be a problem for you, 16 days until UNC basketball season as of this, as of this release like inside carolina reported the hulu documentary has been scrapped like oh damn i really wanted they as they reported i'm like damn i really wanted to see it now but like yeah this is the team where for a few weeks you know we've been saying like oh they'll only be favored against stanford well like fPI would favor stanford now like we we got into this a little bit at home mind you we got into a little bit of this during after dark, but those, you know, we already had that, we already had Duke and NC State

play, and that was kind of a weird game that was fun to watch. It was a little squirly. And the last three tobacco road games are the last three weeks of the season. And those guys have had to hear more than anybody, you know, Phantom Island was talking about Godfrey, was talking about from people he's talking to how sick college coaches in the area are of hearing from these guys

all spring and summer about how, oh, you know, we're, we're in NFL, we're built different, blah, blah, blah. Oh, God. The dabbo let his foot off the gas on Saturday. I'm not sure any of those last three teams are going to. Yeah, if you're an actual arrival, it's time to eat. And he's got them in a row.

It's time to get nasty. It's time to eat. Yeah, it's time. Get your shots in, buddy. Get you a pull. Like, you know who, you know who I, when Dave Doran is about to be in a position to run the score up on you, look inward. seek the lord please put that on the cw i need to see oh listen king of the c w can we can we can we just

keep eric collins in his home state for that one just for that one yeah we have this i need i need to listen you put him on the c w dav doren gets plus one to hit plus one to wound he's twice powerful it's re-rolls he's clearing every re-roll man just wiping you off the table uh i i they spent two mil like one last thing on the roster, they spent two mill on Gio Lopez, which could have looked like a brilliant move had he been $2 million worth of quarterback. He's not. He got injured in the UCF game. He was largely ineffective before then. He had three TDs and three interceptions. It was one of those galaxy brain moves where if they're like taking a chance on a freshman quarterback out of like

South Alabama at that level, it's fine. I think it's fine. But even then when you take a wager that says you might get $2 million worth of upside off that, they didn't. So even the guys who might have been like a reasonable gamble on potential payoff they overpaid for and did not get the return yeah and i mean you know you had to find a quarterback somewhere i mean johnson's been fine like he's not the problem but he's not receiving a dime by the way came back from having his leg fall off fucking leg falling off and but like you know he's not the problem ultimately no um but like yeah you were going to bring in a quarterback but like you weren't high in the pecking order for grabbing a quarterback yeah maybe you

thought you would be but you weren't you know it's and also who this is a great school this is a great unc is a school last school other than that and with this and with this current slate of a slate of here's how things are done which it's going to be hard to hand wave away because they have a lot of transfers but overall this is not even an especially young team what is your pitch now to recruits like the the aura was kind of all you had to go on

for this first class and you were going to have to back it up with something so what do you say what do you say in the living rooms of this next round of guys don't you want to be in a huge group of guys don't you want a lot of friends

well we got so many this isn't even the wolf pack that's across the state you're going to be a group chat with 39 dudes 39 of your but think about how many arise and grind memes you're going to get every single morning yeah do you

see belichick just mute this i was going to say you know his group check is he was not part of the group any of your coaches the original they've never heard of you he might be a blue sky blue mega poster because no dms do not contact steve bellich just emojis in bio just emojis and bio stop deemming him should be business now give me that fucking music I said business, podcast business, it's a business, podcast business, we've got new business, yeah, and we're going to the beach, and we're going to talk to the football, and we'll see a big chicken! Literally the beach! Wednesday, October 29th, Myrtle Beach, Homefield presents shutdown full cast live, part of the Modelo can't miss kickoff tour.

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not like this I don't think we have No you had to walk outside For part of our South by Southwest situation But then we were kind of In that little bunker situation Yeah come see me in my most

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Spencer, this could mean anything. Yeah. It really could since I am between 200 and 800 pounds. We're dressed up as a white guy. There was a pin and teller in their bios for their show, and I don't know why I remember this. They used to write it like Penn Jolette is more than

half by weight of Penn and Teller. I've always thought like if we like, I'm like if we're measuring heads here like like voluminously. By hat size I am easily 40% of this podcast. Yeah. I don't know man. I could give you a run I think. Spencer's got an impressive hat size. Server do you have a big head. I do. Yeah. I'm a seven and three I'm a seven and three quarters snug but

damn. Eight is what I typically have to get when I have any length of hair. I can only wear a seven, three quarters like when I've got some sort of buzz going on. You might have a bigger head than me, man. Oh yeah, I get a huge fucking head. It's, it's terrible. We got to put it to it. Folks, come on out to the can't miss kickoff tour presented by Modello. You get home field, and you get to see whose head is bigger. We're going to measure our skulls on stage. Truly a Godzilla versus Kong situation here. On the beach. I'm going as Modoc because I got no choice. Oh, we've never discard you.

sorry that's a very narrow joke that is a great narrow joke but we would be discarded by him yeah yeah so you're going to be all by yourself with your big head you're all by myself with my that's how i started oh whoa whoa uh on that note something i don't something i don't shook me to the court something i don't do by myself i do it with my wonderful creative partner holly anderson that is right channel dash six dot ghost.io that is the channel six newsletter that's right i'm not alone there you can join me and thousands of other subscribers i swear there i swear there are thousands it's not just it's not not just i'm not a giant cartoon rabbit that's right where i am definitely not alone the channel six newsletter two things a week for the low price of ten dollars a month um you can receive

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that Ryan and I have been working on a little bit in the background. There's always a little bit of branding confusion around here. Let me give you guys a quick primer real quick. The Charity Bowl that we run every year, the EDSBS Charity Bowl, started from Every Day Should Be Saturday, which was a website that Spencer founded

that I used to work on. that all of us have been in and out of at one point in another over many years, where the ones who started the charity bully kind of floated over into the orbit of Channel 6 after a while when we went there. And it has become a huge part of the full cast universe as well because we talk about it on the show. This is all by way of saying that we, you know, while the show does not bear responsibility for the creation of things like Protect Trans Kids University, the audience has very much carried it. And thanks to you maniacs, you guys during the third quarter

have bought close to $800 worth of PTKU merch. And in keeping with tradition, we send every dollar, every dime that we make from PTKU merch in our shop, pre-owned airboats.com. We send that to a different local or regional trans rights organization every quarter. It's a fun little activity.

that we started doing this year to protect and serve and honor our trans siblings in community. Q3. I was in a bit of a bad mood and I said I'm going to personally match whatever donation you guys come up with to get over to our Q3.

Donation org, which is called Mid-South Transnation, the unofficial travel partner of Mid-South Airlines. I haven't sent that donation yet and I want to tell you guys why. I need a little bit of your help. I'm going to be sending you. them about $800. We're going to end up with a donation in the high, $1,500, low $1,600 range. What I am trying to figure out is a Memphis-based score that I can use to make this donation a

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Their emergency fund has given out over $130,000 in the last 20 months, and we are going to try for the next three months to help them run that score up. So now through the end of the year, whatever PtKU merch you choose to buy at our store, pre-owned airboats.com, we will have new merch in there in the coming weeks. Every dollar you spend on PTKU merch is going to be sent in donation form from us to Trans Ohio after December 31st. That's a lot from me. Jason, get me out of here. I just want to note, I saw one of the funniest recommendations of my book that I have seen.

This is apparently an Inside Carolina. they're talking about some whatever I posted about Bill Belichick or something and one of the comments just goes buy his book hell is a world without you it's good so thank you inside Carolina posters for um literature for um literature for sharing literature I've I've popped up in a number of football message boards over the year or two this thing's been available but this is probably my favorite let's take a break from dooming about our coach to read this to read some literature together you know man you know who else had some great stories about doom Jason Gert you know who can I tell you

about the doctor doom was there's a doom guy about somebody who came from very far away to save us all can i tell you about my lord and savior doctor doom uh jason which got that was it that was it by the book because um it's the only way to uh have mental health in the time of bill bell in the time of bill that's right shut down full books a shut down full books original and what's killer ants got going on server uh there's a show this Saturday at Monster Cade in Winston-Salem and there's a show

the one this Saturday is with Candy Coffins from Columbia, South Carolina and the mystery plan from Charlotte and then next Friday, October 17th we are at the Flatiron in Greensboro in North Carolina with chain and treasure panes

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Also, just shout out to Serber for a valiant fight on Saturday night. The most bullshit we have ever been confronted with haint-wise in a single episode. I feel very comfortable saying that. And yeah, I'm including the first Atlanta live show. Damn. It was not fun, but we did play a healthy number of your calls. Thank you for calling in for Fullcast After Dark. That has been awesome to be able to hear you guys' thoughts after the game

and have you participate in the show in the evenings. We'll keep that going. We're sorry we couldn't get to everybody. It was the best possible reason we couldn't get to everybody because there were too damn many of y'all and they were all good. Yeah. If you've ever wanted to see someone pilot a train while laying the tracks down in front of it, that is exactly what server had to do on Saturday night.

So thank you. It's a goddamn war hero. It's a goddamn war hero. Man, between Homefield and one battle after another, it's a good year to be in business with Modelo. It's true. I'm talking about that until just now. Stock is soaring. That's right.

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Add ins here. So now that I can say that my favorite review so far of one battle after another is Jason Concepcion calling it the most pro-drunk driving movie in the history of cinema. Which you shouldn't do. Which you shouldn't do. Which you shouldn't do. But if you're going to. If you're Benicio del Toro, it's fine. there's a lot of things that you shouldn't do

but venicio del Toro can do like being Venetio del Toro the PTA movies don't do a lot of like prescriptive behavior this is people doing shit man how true yeah yeah this is like the most relatable this is the most relatable people

I've ever seen in a PTA movie yeah there's no warning with Boogie Nights it's like you probably shouldn't commit the Wonderland murder I turned to the camera I turned to the camera and said Lickrish Peaches shouldn't do this whatever it's Lickrishish Pitch's

Hame was wrong to do this, by the way. Bro, listen, we fucking know. Daniel Plainview, he's a business example. We weren't on there at the time. I bet LinkedIn was wild after there will be blood. There will be blood taught me about B2B sales. What, beating my adopted son to death with a bowling pin,

talk me about B2B sales. May we all be able to look up at the end of the day when we've done the business and say, I'm finished. Wow. And that concludes podcast business. We wanted to go ahead and just before we move on, talk about the worst loss. Because this past weekend featured, this past weekend featured. Penn State, you thought you were in the clear.

You thought an hour of Belichick had gotten you off the hook. they're starting to relax and that was their mistake like i you know we're we're doing after dark a little differently this year and it's you know uh jason has midnight edits to do for the new york times ryan has two small children he's trying to keep alive so it's been like primarily a spencer outfit with the rest of us orbiting him like a large and hairy sun this is this is the first week where you know i i miss every show that we do without without one of us does not feel does not feel truly complete, does not feel complete in a captain planet sense of the word. I really missed you guys on Saturday. Just because we needed further perspective on what an absolute monster dump

Penn State took not only on its own season, but on its reputation as a program. Hey, at least not that many people saw because they were in the Rose Bowl. That's not on. Hey, listen, not that many people saw for the first half. I think a lot of people hopped on for the festivities. no right but Ryan was talking about that on set Ryan and I were talking about that on Saturday the thing that sucks about this the way UCLA has their stadium set up and we know we talked about this before is that

you know when something like this happens you can't see at halftime what's going on and go oh shit we're going to go to the game and get your shoes on and run down the street yeah you know you got a you know if you had seen at the end of the first quarter and you know gotten in your car then

maybe maybe you get there by the time the game's over I don't know yeah otherwise man you just had to do what the rest of us did which was watch it on tv and marvel at what a heinous loss this was and this is one of the few losses where i think you could definitively say it got worse the longer you looked at it oh yeah well because it shit was going very very sideways by the end of the first half yeah sideways with brad and gary commenting in horrified tones upon it Yeah, about what they didn't know what you were doing, right? So circumstantially it was bad. But after the game, the historical comparison started to come in, and they are absolutely awful. Like, there's no, there's absolutely no disguising how bad this was. There really only are five games that compare in terms of an O and 4 team beating a top 10 team in the history of the,

of the sport and the last one was in 1985. It's the U-TEP beating BYU. But this led to the question of how bad is this? Is this the, like, is this worse than say our baseline? Which I think we agreed prior to this, that our baseline was 13-9, right, in terms of this is the worst loss you can take. I would say, I don't know if 13-9 is the worst

or the worst possible. I would say you can't argue this is worse than 13.9 so it can't go past that. That's how I would put it. Like, the bumper. Worst loss since 13-9 is up for discussion. You could argue it's one of the 10, 20, 25, 30 worst ever, but that's a lot of history.

But I think if you narrow it down to, like, is this the worst since 13-9, which for the youngsters was when 2007 West Virginia was in a veritable semifinal game, and they lost to, as Owen Schmidt put it in an Alex Kirchner's story, the shittiest fucking team in the fucking world. tell them how you feel that one i don't like i don't like this part of the podcast the um that that i think is the one you can't go past like um Alex and i put this in the newsletter on sunday and like some

people mentioned like well Michigan app state was where first of all no um not worse than this like um that's an fcs dynasty that's the equivalent of north dakota state that is a better team than UCLA um that's also the start of the season so you don't know anything about any team well i think the thing is you know you're not thinking about like what happened which year the in this total side note but like three of the best contenders were all from that year 13 nine michigan app state and a uh the shittiest team in the fucking world stanford beating a pete carroll u sc team but the latest you can go is 139 um since then you can make a strong case for ryan day losing to michigan but he immediately redeemed himself and so like like retroactively that's

just off the list but like if ohio state hadn't won at all last year then i think that would be the number one. But Ohio State won at all last year. And Penn State didn't. Penn State got really close, but didn't. I think the thing about this one is not just the size or scale of the upset. It's 25 point upset, which is big, but like that happens every year. You know, 30-pointer might happen at some point.

There might have been a bigger point spread upset that's happened so far this season. Those get as high as 40, 42, 43. Like the biggest ever was that fucking, I don't remember what it was. Howard Maryland. Yeah, yeah. Howard, Howard UNLV, Howard, one of something like that from a few years. 43 point spread for absolutely no reason. No one would say that was the greatest upset ever. So you can't just go by point spread.

Really, by the way, when we do by point spread, sometimes the counter argument is no one should have been gambling on that. Like, what are you doing? I remember the morning after it happened, Bill was posting like, this game shouldn't have had a point spread that pay. Yeah, this game shouldn't have had a point spread. It's like baby versus nuclear bomb. Like nobody should be better. You should not be favored by 43 points over anything. But it's about more than just the point spread.

The thing for me is this is James Franklin's whole thing is he beats bad teams. He always beats bad teams. He loses to good teams. But the counter argument, and it was a valid counter argument as he never loses to bad teams. Like the entire value of him is he beats mid and he beats bad teams. You lose this is good? Okay, well, that's all right, that's hard. But he always accomplishes what is easy.

So this is the one reason that you feel good about him being your coach gone now. You can't trust this. Like you can't trust him not to lose to the shittiest fucking team in the fucking world. That to me is what takes it so far beyond just a bad loss. And, you know, they were preseason number two. this is the year it all came together like this is the teams would it all been building toward and i mean i wrote that two months ago like if not now win for penn state if not this team is it ever going to work you know work uh up to their ambitions is it ever going to be good enough if not

this team and this team is a hard fucking no at this point i think it still make a playoff thing you always have to say but like it it has been a long time other than i state losing to michigan last year you've seen a loss that like so completely definitively redefined a coach a program like so much of a soul changer um this is not just a loss and it's it's it it it bears talking about in a thousand different ways because like god yeah like okay so the the other game that popped up in my mind was 41 and a half point underdog stanford beating USC in 2007 even that manages to fade somewhat given how much better Stanford got and how that became a legitimate rivalry afterwards. That becomes something where Stanford and USC are peers.

So in retrospect, it looks less like a random upset by a team that was down and stayed down. And more like, no, that was an ascendant Stanford that was improving and on the way to great things, asserting itself maybe ahead of schedule. That is not what this UCLA team is, I think. No. I think they've got problems and they're going to keep having problems. This is not a young Jim Harbaugh on the way up, proving his medal as a head coach. This was a offensive coordinator who did not know how to work the headset because it was the first time he called plays through a headset running wild on your $3 million in your defensive coordinator,

hired him part to send you over the top. That's a totally different scene, in my opinion. One thing that's boosting, like I'm on the stronger end of the argument for how, bad is this loss, first of all, because we said on Saturday that the knock on James Franklin this entire time has been that he can't win the big one. And right as all of us were starting to just, you know, let's retire this discussion. We've had, you know, this is clearly what he is. No, now he's something different. Now he's something much worse. You have a new problem, Penn State. Sorry about that. The answer of whether he can win the big one is no longer the biggest

question in your program. Congratulations. But the thing that I think we're not we're on this show, thing that I don't think is getting quite enough credit on the discussion of where on the spectrum we place this loss is UCLA is working with an interim coach a like a guy Tim skipper who his whole bit is being an interim kid he was freshman skipper he was interim skipper for all of last season this is his deal is being an interim coach um and like the quarterback everyone was laughing about a month ago like like Nico was you know put in position of being the, you, the, the, bad guy, you know, like, I don't have any problem with the kid.

I'm sure he's a completely fine person. The narratives, everyone was piling on this kid, and, like, he gets to beat the top 10 team at home, literally at home. Well, and for the first time all, this is, this is kind of funny for us, too, because for the first time all season, it appears as though, hey, maybe both Tennessee and Nico got better. Yeah. or maybe maybe everybody is like for the first it's it's week six we're at the fulcrum and oh hey maybe

everybody actually it's the boring answer to that to all that summer bullshit drama and like i'm i said this on saturday i i want if i don't want anybody on that team on any team that doesn't want to be there like life's too short for a day for a day yes it turned out better for just a minute it looked like everybody was where they were supposed to be and that was nice i think that was In terms of how bad is this lost, Penn State, with the $3 million defense coordinator, lost to the quarterback that everyone was laughing at. Like, literally every part of this was, makes it worse for Penn State. And, like, a thing that was kind of, like, entering the season when it was like,

Penn State's got everything they need, everything they need, it's like, I'm still working my head around why we feel good about the quarterback situation, but they brought in all these receivers. Okay, okay, let's give it a shot. But they lost their best receiver. They lost Tyler Warren. They lost their offense. They lost Abdul Carter.

They lost their, you know, like their best player. And like, this really isn't hindsight because, like, at the time, it was like, okay, everyone's decided they're loaded. But they lost, like, really, really crucial players and I'm still not convinced about the quarterback. Yeah, we talk about them. I kind of feel like we talk about Penn State offensively. Not right now. Not anymore. That's not a problem we have anymore for the past three days.

But Saquan wasn't yesterday, you know. And it feels sometimes as though, and maybe it's having him close to home, but it sometimes feels as though the echo of that version of Penn State has carried forward maybe further than it's deserved to. Is that fair? I think that has carried over too far. I think one annoying pattern with them that has carried over in a bad way is the quarterback who's almost enough. like there's a lot of focus on true ala right now being underwhelming and not really coming through for the team and whatever that's what's been happening there forever how many times we look at trace McSorley and go I think that's maybe what lulled everybody into security I said this we said this last week on the show like Penn State has a Penn State has had great success before with quarterbacks that you call serviceable yeah but you notice you keep getting the same guy you keep getting the same dude you're like oh yeah it's like a great 3,000 yard passer with some legs who comes up short in big games who is succeeded by another pretty good passer gritty gutty guy who comes up short in big games who succeeded by Drew Aller who is a guy who comes up short it's at one point it's weird that a program of that size and scope and resources can't can't get a higher hit rate there it's crazy how you keep

getting the same guy yeah it might not be the guy yeah so it's a boobula could Could have kept the crazy, dude, could have kept the crazy legs, white boy. And it's easy to say now. Like, you know, that would have been a crazy move to pull. But, like, that would have been a crazy move to pull. But it's going to feel bad. I mean, you know what, what happens? Like, are we now on Mac Brown Watch with James Franklin, where you go, yeah, the guy who transferred? He's winning shit. He's dominating there. Huh? Wonder who had him first? Might.

It might end up being that way if both Popula and Missouri do what they might be able to do and at least making the SEC title game, if not outright, winning it. You know what the craziest thing would be, like, if Penn State did make the playoff, because that would require winning at Ohio State and then beating Indiana. Like, it would, that is, I mean, it could happen. It's not like they're going to be massive underdog in either of those games. It's just like that is what it would take to overcome the fucking up the little game thing, is you would have to win a gigantic game to make up for it.

And the rest of their schedule is, you know, the schedule they've had up to now, Oregon was the big hurdle early on that schedule, the only hurdle that we saw coming into the season. And they lost that game by six points. And here comes the back of their schedule, which was loaded even before we knew this team was capable of losing to interim UCLA. You know, they've got Northwestern at home this week. And then it's at Iowa, at undefeated Ohio's,

at home with undefeated Indiana, those games are back to back, at Michigan State, at 4-1 Nebraska, at like the, you know, Penn State is 3 and 2 right now, but boy, those numbers cover a multitude of everything's, because they're not playing a worse team than 3 and 2 right now the rest of the year. I think the, I mean, Penn State's resume to this point, it didn't point out a few times.

Like before the Penn State Oregon game, the best team either of them had played. played had been Montana State. No one questions Oregon at this point. But, like, yeah, it's true. Penn State's best win is FIU. And they did not beat FIU by more than Yukon did. So, like, it makes complete sense to people take a look,

took a look at this resume and said, like, yeah, this team shouldn't be ranked, right? Here's the fun part to me. This loss was so bad, I believe that it got Texas unranked. Because Texas hit three and two with a close loss at Ohio State and a close loss at Florida and otherwise they've won comfortably, that's a number 22 team if I've ever heard of it, right? Get them out. Sure, sure.

But the reason Texas is unranked is because of the scrutiny that everyone put on Penn State's schedule. They deserve it scrutiny. So now we're going down the list and looking at the two losses. Well, everyone is looking at Penn State schedule and they're saying, yeah, they haven't beat fucking anybody. And then they're saying, wait a minute, Texas also hasn't beaten fucking anybody. Never mind the losses, right?

And I'm not saying Texas must be ranked. I'm saying Texas ordinarily would be ranked, if not for Penn State blowing the cover of three and two team who hasn't beaten anybody. Yeah, Penn State raised their hand and said, you forgot to assign homework. Though they haven't beaten anybody either. What did we do? All we did was lose close to a Florida team with the coach who can't be killed. Because listen, yeah, Jason, to your point, if there's one thing, if there's one thing,

the Associated Press and the SIDs masquerading as coaches in the coaches poll in this country are going to do, it's ranked Texas. and the fact that they fell out like in this fashion is yeah there's got to be I don't even think that's I don't even think that's that far-fetched to think that's what happened you took that away from them boys that's impressive Penn State you're so trash they can't even overrate Texas God you took away sports writers Binky Texas well no we get we get a new Binky we can get a new Binky we can get back in because when they when they make it back into the the polls we can have our first ever completely sincere texas back yeah and they're um they are favored against oklahoma though that was when john meteer's hand was yet to be reattached we'll see if that's point dr shin dr shin robo quop but like i name my boy dr shin campbell yep it's full name call him doc so yeah penn state you did something really special like the like and you know this you know you did something special

like this is just um this is unique this is really this is memorable and um this is a this is a point in the road that we will come back to however penn state goes from here it's interesting there is a seven and five season on the table here um there is a 10 to two miracle run that would be just as entertaining um but like there is also a scenario in which both preseason number one texas and preseason the number two of Penn State, both missed the playoffs. And do you know how many Big Ten SEC bowl games there are? Can you give me a Music City Bowl between Texas of Penn State? Can you give me an outback bowl?

Can you give me a citrus bowl between the preseason top two team? Like if you told them at the beginning of the season, you two are going to be squaring off in postseason, and be like, hell yes, it means we're making it really far. Yeah, that's going to be awesome. I do hear you can't spell citrus without UT. Yeah, or you're going to be staying at a comfort in at Harding Place? Yeah, that's where you're at.

Hey, man, there's a holiday and express there now. I've got that. Show some respect. Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to limit your options, Texas. Dream big. Dream big. Dream music city ball.

I said this as a Florida fan because hurt people, hurt people. That's what we do. Although we are one and oh against you this year. That's true. I was going to say, why are you acting hurt? Your boy, Billy is doing it. My boy, Billy. He's doing it again.

He's doing it again. Yeah, oh yeah, he's back to Billy. Every year in February, like fucking clock. Man, Billy's kind of putting it together. He's on another ramp page. They had him on the mat. He's standing back up. Hey, listen, man, you give that man a 20, you give that man 21 points, and he's like,

oh, slow down, slow down. All you got to do is tell him he must win or he'll be fired. Just tell him that start, start telling that in week one. Hey, hey, who among us on this? show could never write a paper until the night before it was due. Yeah, we've all been there. Yeah. Relatable king. Billy cram session Napier.

Listen, give him. It's due win? Listen, you give that man Wikipedia and some trucker speed and he's going to write a great 10-page paper. I knew what day the game was. I just didn't know what day today was. I think this is where we come back to a question I don't know if we have ever asked, which is, does Billy Napier know we don't have a preseason?

Oh, was that Belichick's problem? Like, you ask him, and he just, like, gives you this, like, really thoughtful look. Like, that's really, you know, that's starting to make a lot more sense now that you explain that to me. He's got a little bit of Aranda, doesn't he? Yeah, like, yeah. He has a little bit of Aranda. That little introspection, yeah. The introspection of, like, which absolutely terrifies his peers.

I haven't read much philosophy, but I have read some Max Licato. Yeah. I mean, as a casual reader of Foucault, I would say the real prison is one of the mind. In a certain sense, it's all preseason. Because there'll be a season after this season, if you follow my meaning. Is there Samsara in Gainesville? You know, I'm going through a season right now, a season of keeping my fucking job. That's it.

I've got a five-star quarterback with nine injuries. I'm sorry to profile, but it's so funny for him to look like that. and be like, and then talk like that. Yeah, you're like, this is the most program-ass face. I think he looks like a cool hang. I think that's why he can't leave. Florida needs him too much after an unlikable coach or three or four. And I know that I'm saying this in Florida and specifically at UF.

And I know this is a high bar to clear. Man, I bet that guy's got good weed. Listen, I don't think he smokes. Oh, no, no. This is a vapor. This is a vapor. Let's be clear. but if he did he's got it he's got the leaves packed in like a chaw as server would say he's on that

james danglin man if he keeps the job this time dog be placing like a fucking smoke stack i know we've got listen i know we have one boutique weed dealer who listens to this okay and to date the greatest custom pack yeah the florida finishes eight and four fix my man up xx 420 billy blaze it Yeah, the greatest custom pack I've ever seen was one that said in the logo, and like it had the font, it said ESPN, and the name of it was in the words extending, you know, from left to right across the package was everybody smoking pack now. Oh boy. It was the funniest shit I've ever seen.

I'm gone. But, but if you're listening, it's time to make the James Danklin pack. That's it. I completely memory hold that we had found during a shopping spree conducted on the show and then mailed to server a Penn State branded bong. Ahead of the curve. Never wrong, just early. Now that we've exhausted, I think, almost every possible angle of how bad that win that loss was for Penn State

and how good that win was for UCLA. It really won't matter. It matters. Oh, sorry, one more, one more, one more. The part where they couldn't have left him on the tarmac because the runway at State College is not long enough for the team plane. It's also right next door. They would have had to leave him in Harrisburg.

Like if you leave him, yeah, but like even if they could land in State College, it's right next door to the stadium, but we'd be like, ha ha, I'll have to walk home. Oh, shit, your house is right over there. Yeah, it's funny for a couple different reasons. It's really not that far. Yeah. shit um let's go and look at the schedule good god coach coach we got the makins coach how's your new program uh new program's good i have um i'm coaching

sometimes you got to do this for ncdbola reasons you pick up a couple of show causes you got to start up again under a new name you got a rebrand and i'm coaching out of the name tony feathers Tony Feathers has a little... You've taken over another program that needs... Boy, it needed some help, didn't it, coach? It did need some help. I took over the Alabama Crimson Tide. You poor thing.

It's hard following in the shoes of a legend, but I think I can live up to Kailin DeVore. What kind of legend? Don't worry about it. Well, just like Kailen DeBore, I managed to beat the University of Georgia today by a score of 40 to 10. It was very exciting. In the final waning minutes of the game,

merely trying to run the ball out or run the clock out running the ball and tie simpson got loose and you know what i tell my players it's your game to manage really they own it and he decided to manage it all the way into the end zone even though when the sideline reporter came up to you and said coach why are you being such a dick at you said it's it's the players game to manage i'm not the one scored once you go yell at him i was like these boys work hard i'm not going to take opportunities away from them okay they work hard during the week they deserve to have a good time we try to play the right way but i'm gonna let my players express themselves okay and it just so happens that tie simpson i unlocked dark tie simpson so he he he he scored it then he threw the ball into the like into the stands

into someone's face this is a new tide yeah so white lightning got loose tie simpson took the field but white lightning was the one that walked off it yeah uh and we managed to walk away with a 40 to 3, but we did. It was 40 to 3, but we allowed a late TD that I'm still kind of steamed about. But it's important to have teaching points when you go in. How is your new program, Coach? Thank you for asking, coach. My new program, of course, is Texas A&M Aggies in our all-S-E-C-FP-26 league. I have rebranded as El-Ron Hubbard. The only man, the only man. How's that spelled? El-Ron Hubbard, it's the guy. It's him. I found a guy who looks like young El-Ron Hubbard, Navy background and everything, the only man qualified, equipped, capable with the right

level of mental sanity and legal expertise to lead the Aggies, so to speak. He is, of course, a recruiter by nature, which I felt pretty apt. I focused mostly on recruiting. How long are those NIL deals? Yeah, brother, they're long. You were locked in. We get them in the nest and keep them. We beat the fuck out of Notre Dame. No problem. Scientology, superior to Catholicism, I've always said. And we, recruiting is our main focus. We're in the running for five of the top ten recruits. But Charles McDonald's LSU, they got some shit going on, man, because they're pulling ahead of me on Texas guys. Charles, I'm going to sue you if you hear this, all right? I don't like what you're doing at LSU, pulling ahead of the Aggies, of the Aggies top targets,

all right? It ain't Fenton. You will be hearing from the Aggie, Antology Lawyers. What, I, listen, we've uttered some cursed phrases on this show. That might, that might top the mountain. Although we did always say that college station was like going to the moon. Yeah, exactly. Huh. As far as the real world programs, folks, you're probably hearing this on Wednesday.

There is Wednesday night college football, Missouri State, Middle Tennessee, Liberty, U-Tep. Your owls are on Thursday. We are going, we are on Thursday. We got live tech. Hey, both those teams that win in records, both those teams undefeated in Conference USA. They'll have a little bit of a run. I'll probably sneak into that one. Yeah, we're number 103 in Chris Vanini's rankings.

We're about to crack that top 100. Nice. ECU2 Lane, that's another decent Thursday nighter. Friday night, coach, your old program. North Texas, undefeated, hosting ranked U.S.F. I saw that. I was like, holy shit. Actual big week.

Game of the week. God damn. The over-under on this game is 68 and a half, and I think that is low. We're going to have a spectacle. I don't say this for gambling. I say this for preemptive delight purposes. Yeah, listen, Drew Mestemaker? He's got a mess to make. It's going to be of the U.S. Secondary. You've been saving that one, don't you? Hey, Drew a card, and it's your ass. He's going to play it. Bang. Uno reverse that shit, feeling bullish, but about the mean green. That's right. Go with North Texas, man. They're having a great season. That's a great

freaking Friday nighter. That is everything I want out of a Friday night game, actually. Two really entertaining teams, a locale that you normally don't get, right? Denton on a Friday night. Denton, Tampa. We've got a nice little spread here on Friday night. Like, we got a couple different genres. There's the actual good game.

What is this doing on a Friday night game? There is a 9 p.m. kickoff at Washington. Sure, that's always a scene. And then there is, as always, your other team, Coach Kirk, or your former team, excuse me, is hosting Fresno at 9. Don't blame me for this bunch. Well, it's clear how far they've tumbled off in your absence. Yeah, we pulled some kids out of this program.

Don't. I didn't leave them with much in the cupboard. Let's put it that way. Let's not talk about prior previous management. I don't know them. I don't know them. Saturday, Ohio State Illinois, I don't know, we're obligated to mention that. Alabama, Missouri. That's some good shit. That's some real good shit right there. No, Alabama, listen. We made it this far without having to think about Missouri.

Is this a matchup between the SEC's two best teams? The answer is maybe. Maybe. Yep, it really brings me no comfort. Yeah, I can only tell you facts. I cannot provide you comfort. Also, two squarely white boys. Two white boys who have caught a vibe. can scoot a little bit. Yeah, that's what we've got. We've got the inspirational kids, Bo Pervula, and Dark Ty Simpson, now throwing the ball into the stands and up by 37. Pitt, FSU, does that sound cursed your goddamn right?

I think my favorite thing in the ACC is FSU is justifiably number 25, and they are last in conference. Perfect. Beautiful. I love it. That's very much a big in Japan moment, right? Like when you're like, hey, we're 25. And you're like, yeah, it's your last at home.

Stanford SMU is on the CW. Sure. That is an ACC game. That's definitely an ACC game. Yeah, UCLA, wanting to continue the win streak. Only eight and a half point underdog at Michigan State at noon. Come on, man. I love it.

Let's keep it going. New single wing quarterback Nico I. Maliava, who ran for 100 yards. for the first time in his collegiate career against Penn State. Hey, he could go for 200 against Michigan State. Hey, I know how you guys, I know where you guys think we're about to go next, and I know how you think we're going to go there, and I'm going to give you a special treat and bring you something different.

Did y'all see back in May that a UCLA student research team found what the university referred to as a closely guarded Nazi war crimes file? No. No. Anyway, I'll put that in the show notes. That's how we're connecting it to Michigan State. I know a lot of you were wondering. So that's the rivalry trophy.

Yes. Yeah, is the trivia. Also, the second most biggest game in the Big Ten, the one that doesn't have that type of trophy stakes. Indiana, Oregon, both undefeated, normal. Totally normal. Indiana, Oregon, very big game, that's normal. OU, Texas. We already mentioned that shit gets weird.

By the way, biggest matchup of coaching soccer paths of the year, Dan Lanning versus Kurt Zignity. Watch this young guy fight this old guy. I wish we still did side-by-side press conferences for these games like they do in the postseason because I just want to put a little like put a little cereal bowl of push pins out in front of each of those guys and watch them just pop them like corn nuts

watch them bite each other Yeah let's have a way in Penn State has to play Northwestern I'm calling that the Sickos game of the week Nebraska Maryland that's decent That's really decent It's a decent matchup See if we can get a little bit of September Maryland

Magic in October You all want to see one of the CW ass CW games we've had so far this year, and that means I am meaning no shade to Stanford playing SMU at 9 a.m. or whatever. Wake Forest at Oregon State at 3.30. Incredible. A matchup of the CW's conferences, like, which is, I think that makes it the most CW game. Because if the ACCC, by the way, can make non-conference conference games, this should be a conference non-conference game. Wait, Cerber does, does Wake fly out of Winston? Because I'm trying, is this the most airports that any P5 team has to go to, to reach what, well, what isn't another P5 team anymore, but.

I don't think they would fly out of PTI, or excuse me, out of Smith Reynolds, because that airport is too small. And usually, it's basically like the private jet airfield for RJ Reynolds employees and executives. I would, I would gather that they're potentially going from PTI in. Greensboro then like for like 20 minutes to Charlotte to then go from Charlotte to

well Charlotte's not flying to Corvallis right uh-uh that's what I'm thinking you have to find it like where is the United Hub or you'd fly to Portland I think you'd fly to Portland and then dry how far as Portland trains an automobile situation it's not close but that's the thing I don't know

that teams normally I don't think teams normally flying to Corvallis anyway let me make sure like there's not a weird thing where PTI flies to Corvallis because they have some weird non-stops That's a long way Bill and Apier has to go in Texas A&M He needs this one

Folks if if you're a wake for a student And you have John Curry's phone number Which as his athletic department you should do Just text him and ask him how the football team is getting there Ask him, I know what are you guys They should probably start they should probably leave today I guess I think they're going to TTI to Atlanta and then.

Okay, that makes more sense. PTI to Atlanta to Portland to down. That's probably the most likely one. At 7.30, George is only a three and a half point favorite against three and two, Auburn. Okay, listen, we're now in the middle of the pit that Hugh Freeze could fall into. I think this is going to be the third in a row for them. Yeah Meaning followed by Missouri

And when is Auburn's by week Just just curious I believe it's right after that The Missouri game And Vanderbilt still looms Vanderbilt A pissed off Vanderbilt team I'm mad

You won't like Van derby when they're angry Rightly so Michigan USC It's pretty interesting That's like a helmet game But like no yeah that's pretty good That's pretty good Let's watch that shit

Um, BYU, Arizona, that'll be a big mess. It'd be very interesting to see Jade Mav against that defense. Yeah. I'm looking for South Carolina at LSU. Ooh. A, hmm, LSU is ranked number 11, and that is all I have to say about that. No one knows why. Mm-mm.

Not me. Have, yeah, this is why we shouldn't rank things until, like, November. Disagree. Mm-hmm. Disagree. Or it's fine. We should rank them more and earlier. More.

Listen, all the weird losses last week kind of subsumed the weird wins because do you know what looked really shaky coming into last week and did not pan out whatsoever? Miami being ranked number three with Florida State coming in. That's a good Miami. And that didn't go anywhere. Yeah. Texas Tech at number nine, as they should be. You know what? You could bump them up a slaughter too high.

right if they're certainly one of the only teams in the country that seems interested in winning right now holy fuck they are fast like you start playing them that first quarter is like ah this is Spencer and I were looking at their stats yesterday the Texas Tech's first quarter defense is just a brick fucking wall like they're only allowing like two and a half yards um per play in the first quarter like just nothing happens and it's they're averaging like such short fields that that is why they're scoring like crazy in the first quarter because like the other offense does nothing in any other games in the first quarter which which may a lot of you maybe think is antithetical to texas tech and uh the increasingly inaccurately named big 12 but in fact is uh is a hallmark of

of greater texas tech teams of yore far far yore yeah way yore yore yorendr way back yor Arizona State, Utah. This is a great weekend, Big 12. Then we're closing down in Utah State, Hawaii. You got a Midnighter. You do have a midnighter. This means we'll get to watch Arizona State, Utah, during After Dark with that 10-15 kick.

That's nice. I like that. Yeah, can I give you a couple of death nail games where I'm like, yeah, you're done? Like, it ends now. Like more than last weeks? Even more, yeah, even more than last week. Besides Georgia at Auburn, you mean?

I know it was real bad. Yeah, besides Georgia Auburn. All right. Hugh's going to have a lot more time to bank scores. Are you looking at the Iowa Wisconsin game? Yeah. Like Luke Fickle just simming to next week at the end of the Michigan game, which is what they did, giving a chance to be competitive in the last two minutes and then just deciding,

nah. Like, I know everyone was mad about that, but I watched it and I thought, no, that's right. What are they going to do? Score? Just pack it up. This seems reasonable. The only reasonable hand in the stadium is Luke Fickle. He's like, I don't want to watch any more of this shit either.

Yeah, I don't know. Very performative. Performative timeouts. Exactly. It's trying to make it. So it's just try hard shit. Just like, oh, maybe, maybe he'll get up, you know. Look how hard I'm calling timeouts.

Fuck off. Yeah. We're trying. No. Sim. Now, if that was. to next week this is next week to sim to you have to play like everyone's going to be appalled anyway because they have to watch iowa that was your last chance to score when you had all them

timeouts yeah it's not happening this week iowa wisconsin will be appalling fucking football it's really hard to type his name without for the first time typing luke fuckle and then going back like oh shit that's not his name every time yeah every time that's the typo but Might not have to type it many times more for a while. Have you ever seen somebody just abandon a car on the side of the road? It's basically what they did in the last two minutes of that game. And it's probably going to feel a lot like what they do in this game versus Iowa. It's getting kind of hopeless at Wisconsin.

There's many years where it's like it's kind of hard to lose at Wisconsin. But there's always a, you know, we don't always know what we think we know. They don't have the, they have a floor and it's substantial, but it's not as high as, you know. Ohio States. We're finding a whole new floors under the floors. It's a renovation adventure. Do you know how much, Wisconsin,

the weird lady on TikTok who's mining under her house? Is she dead? I heard she died. No, she's fucking thriving, man. Okay, that's good. Finding new stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's like,

I have an entire new layer that I've managed to mine out from underneath my home.