Shutdown Fullcast - Find Your Polish Middle With Bud Elliott

Episode Date: May 15, 2018

Gambling on sports is now (potentially, depending on the state in which you live and the timing and a lot of other stuff) legal! Finally, you can profit from your extremely bold feelings on college football, like "all kickers suck" or "we always throw it short of the sticks on third down" or "why did you schedule north dakota state you fools." SB Nation's Gambling Potentate Bud Elliott joins us to discuss the world of CFB wagering; The Sandman does not make an appearance due to a lengthy and unresolved extradition issue. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. Oh, college football's only podcast has an extremely momentous episode tonight because at long last, for the first time ever, because none of us on this podcast have ever done it before, ever in any form, we may all gamble on sports legally. Man. I don't know if I've, I don't know if I've ever placed a sports bet. not like i've definitely i've definitely done a march madness pool and i played fantasy football and like other stuff that you could say but i really don't think i've like gone to a sports book or used an online i i just don't think i've done it how would you do it yeah those is by the way those are the melodious tones of uh one bud elliott who i have a very important question for bud after we talk

about gambling that would be founder tomahawk nation recruiting guru uh Costco online deal finder extraordinary and someone who has some familiarity with with wagering but you are you're a second legal expert on on the podcast congratulations hey if you're going to have a senior might as well have a junior who's the I don't want to no damn it you're an attorney I don't want to why do I got to be the old why do I have to be the old also that implies that I'm going to know oh Jesus a Supreme Court case came out today and you want me to be the reigning legal authority and it's about the

I of course not I have a real job I'm not just reading I'm just not just casual and reading Scotus decisions are you kidding me that's just long and it's formatted stupidly have you ever had to file with the Supreme Court they color code shit

they do everything stupid and special because they think they're Hogwarts they're not Hogwarts they might be Hogwarts if that's Hogwarts, and, like, we realize that Hogwarts is, like, super mad overrated, right? Yeah, yeah, we already knew that.

I mean, there's got to be this whole... It's like if Hufflepuff and Slytherin broke off and formed their own, like, splinter cell academy. That's the Supreme Court. You know how, you know how you know Hogwarts is overrated? Nobody ever used their owl to get weed. Only Dumbledore. I have a feeling Dumbledore did that with, like, company accounts, right? Right.

Right? Like, I mean, he had like, there's like, yeah, man, the dragon, smokes because he's a dragon. Uh-uh. No way, man. This is, this is merely for experimentation. I want to know, I want to know what the Arizona state of the wizarding world was, and how do I get into it? I think it was still Arizona State. Look at their mascot.

It's definitely Arizona State. But no, we're here to talk to. about gambling sweet sweet gambling given to us by Thomas Jefferson and James Madison and all the founders because when they threw off the shackles of England they did so for one reason and one reason alone that we might gamble on sports which at the time there wasn't a lot of opportunity it was just like bad lacrosse I mean let's be clear on one thing here right yeah this is this is this is basically giving this is giving the state's permission to do it right do you really want to get into what this decision is yes it's reverse it it is striking down a federal law that barred states from running their own sports gambling schemes it's basically saying that doing so did not meet the preemption doctrine necessary to quote unquote fill the area the legislative area, and now, yes, states are free to pass their own laws and schemes

and do so without being in violation of federal law. It's probably the same argument we're going to see for weed very soon. Is that about right, but? Yeah, that sounds about right to me. I'm sorry, Marlins man is apparently in Kansas City. I was watching TV at the back early. What the hell is Marlins man doing in Kansas City? Are the Marlins?

Well, the Marlins, I assume we're not playing. They're not playing. It's Tampa Bay and Kansas City, apparently. And Marlins, man, I think, is still pissed at the Marlins because they wouldn't renew his season tickets or something. I'm not really clear. Is he protesting by, like, going to other shitty teams? Oh, that's fantastic.

Whatever you got, you know, whatever you got to do to make your weird girlfriend jealous. Girlfriend, yeah. I was going to say multiple, but. Yeah. I'm not sure if he was actually... Yeah, girlfriend. Singular, poor before. Nobody's trying to get sued here, but nobody's trying to get sued.

Keep it together. That would be great if we get sued for the episode where we have two people with law degrees on. That'd be great. That'd be perfect. I don't know why you think, like, the presence of lawyers means we're less likely to get sued. I mean, the more you have in the room, you know, the chances rise. Okay, whatever you say, buddy. I'm just saying, I know how my people settled disputes.

Faking your death. That's how. I was going to say insurance fraud. Insurance fraud. Faking your death. The occasional half-hearted fist fight. Let's be honest. Nobody's finishing a fight, right?

Faking your death is just like super saying insurance fraud. Do you have a family member who's faked their own death? No. I mean, not that I know of. This is kind of a tricky. question, isn't it? Do you know? Okay, let's let's rephrase. Like,

like the answer is maybe? The answer for everybody is maybe, unless all your family members are alive, in which case, good on you. Everybody's honest answer has to be, maybe. I have an uncle who got Eric, great uncle, I guess, who had to flee the country, but I don't know if faking his death was

along with it. Where do go? Um, he went back to Bolger. If you're at liberty to say. No, he and, this was in like the 70s, which makes what he did even, I guess funnier isn't really the word, but he this was in West Virginia, I guess I don't have to say, but there was

a man who had been molesting his niece and he and one of my other uncles tarred and feathered the dude. And the dude died and he went back to Bulgaria. They both did.

This was in like 1970 something because my mother was a teenager when this happened. and has like full memories of this happening. So it's not like this was some far off mountain home yarn. I don't know if he if he faked his death along with it. But he's back in the motherland now. Wouldn't rule it out. Like it was definitely on the table at the very least.

You know, do that and say like that's not. Oh, that's too far. I have questions about. Where do you get that much tar in this day and age? It's always my first question. Well, one, you find you find a ripper. Oh, probably. Yeah, that's a good point.

I mean, this is a mining town, so I assume it's, you know, pretty easy to have to hand, but it seems like it would take a lot of tar. What are we talking about again? Volume of tar to cover it. Okay, I see. We're staying on topic. Thanks, Holly. Yeah, I was going to say I also have questions about Bulgaria's return policy.

It's pretty liberal from what I can see. Return policy suggests that, like, Bulgaria's unhappy with their purchase. they just bring it back no questions asked but we have receipts I'm gonna like I'll talk I've got let's see I have four children's medium shirts that are too small I've got an electric toothbrush that I never used or opened and I have two murderers it's fine we'll take it all okay but what what let me ask you the hardest question Should people gamble on college football? Yeah.

Why? Jesus. I mean... Jesus Christ. There's like a hundred twenty-eight teams and probably only like 15 are actually worth watching. Like, sorry, PAPN, but how in the hell do you find interest in the other games? You know, like, yeah. Definitely about on college football.

So you're saying gamble just so you have interest in the other games or gamble just because it's a very limited set of teams that you have to worry about in the first place. I don't think Bud's actually sorry. Fair. I mean, we have to balance up, like the college football hipsterdom of PAPN. We need a little bit of balance. I'll play the bad guy. I'm not saying you're incorrect.

Okay. I'm going to, I'm going to work my, I'm going to work my magic here and probably make this worse. but I'm going to try to make it better first. Is this, that what Bud is also saying, is he saying that information in college football is everywhere. And the knowledge of that information is asymmetrical, right? Like, you can probably figure out that a spread is too big or too large based on how sorry that team might be that you've seen, right? Oh, I just figured it out. Bud's going to start a subscription-only message board where he gives out gambling tips.

Oh, the Bud Letter. Yeah, for sure. Which, again, is what the owl is supposed to bring you at Hogwarts if you have any fun to do. That's what Professor, that's what Professor Elliott of the Dark Arts brings you. Brings you with his mighty winged owl. With Oakley's. Your owl would have Oakley's. They would have big old 90s Oakley's on.

They'd be like, that's Bud's Al. So I'll ride or like John Crook style. Oh, my God. I was pointing out on Twitter today that maybe the greatest benefit of legalized gambling is that we won't get those Bavada emails anymore, but I don't think that's right. No, no, no, I don't think we're ever going to be free of this. Holly, Holly, there, all right, so what Holly is referring to is that if you work in sports media, even a little, even for a very short amount of time, even literal years ago, you will get on the mailing list of basically, up until now at least, every office. offshore gambling entity that does college football odds and usually some other shit as well. And they will send you like, hey, here's, you know, the updated odds on who's going to win the SEC,

the updated odds on who's going to win the Heisman. And they basically want you to write about them because people will click on it and everybody wins, blah, blah, blah, blah, except, you know, people who bet. I got an email today at noon on the dot from BetDSI, bragging about how in February they offered odds on two things when the Supreme Court would deliver a ruling on this issue on the Professional and Amateur Sports Protection Act and what that ruling would be if you bet May 14th you got 8 to 1 odds congratulations did great unfortunately the odds were tilted very much in favor of overturning rather than

rather than upholding the law. So, yeah, they're now eating their own tail. That's what it's gotten to. It's not going to get better. It's only going to get worse. Was it from Scott Cooley? It's from Cool Media. So, yeah, it is from Scott Cooley.

Yeah. I think he runs the PR for a lot of these books. I can't believe he snagged that name. He used to be somewhere else. Cool. media? Yeah. Anyway, but why should people

bet on college football? It seems like the worst idea possible. Oh, I don't know if it's a good idea, but it's honestly definitely good. That's why you should have subscribed to my newsletter on Mondays out every day at 8 a.m. Only the hottest hit Bud letting. Bud letting.

And definitely get VSN on Sirius X-Exempt Radio, which is have you ever tried to listen to that? is uh no it's rough yeah i i tuned in one time i was like i had a long drive for some of recruiting stuff uh okay no next if you ever wanted like an oral analog to like the divorced dad eating at the card table in radio form it's that station yeah that would be um if you listen to it does it have a lot of like radio like radio standard sports guy voice Sunday

Yeah, yeah It's almost entirely that Yeah, a lot of guys Who sound like they are three Cigarettes away from getting the stoma Implant, right? Welcome to betting radio And they all try to like out-turm each other

You know, who has more betting mochab And probably turn off most of their audience, so What is what is the what is the best betting vocab term. Oh, gosh. I feel like you got to say, you got to incorporate the word, like Vig, you know? Yeah. Oh, man. Vig is a great one. But can you give us like two real betting terms on a fake one and we have to find a fake one?

You can take a minute to think about it. Yeah, because I have a complaint and I'll just go ahead and give that, which is that, you know, on EDSPS, I complained about the person who is only into gambling and will only talk to you about a spread, right? Like, intro, hey, how are you doing? Oh, no, that's pretty good. It's a good Tuesday, yeah. You know, I'm on keto. It's going great.

You know, what do you think about that? I mean, it's good to talk to you and everything, but what do you think about that, you know, that Notre Dame Stanford spread? You know, it's like eight points. This seems like, does that seem like a lot to you? I mean, I hope your kids are okay. How's the wipe?

What, you know, in your mom, you have a mom? Yeah, like, what, it's good. But what about that, yeah, that guy? Because it doesn't bother me when people... That post and this conversation all feel very specific and personal. They are. I have like at least three people who do this. And I've weaned a couple of them off of it, but they keep coming back to it every now.

Have you tried, like, shanking them advice-wise? No, that only like, it's like, if it's like, hmm, let's see. Alabama's playing Monroe. And the spread is like, you know, 12. Alabama's lost to Monroe before. You got to look at the all-time series here. Exactly. That's what I'll say.

There's no way Alabama covers. Have you tried to just like aversion therapy them away from it? Yeah, the over under in this Florida game is, oh, you got to bet the over, bro. Got to bet the over. Florida's been sitting on unused points. They got to cash those in. Yeah. You know, it's like a subclub.

You got stamps. Yeah, you don't use them until the end. You got to fire that in, bro. You got to fire that in. You got to do it. Mail it in. mail it in guess what comes back cash in the mail that's what they got cash in the mail it's a gambling term i just made up hot gambling expert spencer hall cash in the mail that's definitely

not how sub club works yeah but yeah i i i have that problem and i also have the problem of anyone who tries to like tie a parlay together because that's when i know that you're into some kind of freakery that i'm just like all right so i got these five games and if they all happen. I'm like, what do you not understand about probability and information? What if you could Tony Hawk your own money? What if you could do that? Combo, combo. All right, sorry, bud, do you have real and fake gambling terms for us to fail at

miserably? I'm sorry to put you on the spot. I just figured that we'd be bad at this and that would be funny. All right, we have Polish middle. Polish middle. Nickel already lost. and steam gee I wouldn't be only one of these I'm confident is like

a term that would ever come up in this podcast it's Polish middle naturally yeah Ryan Ryan aren't you the Polish middle of this podcast what does that even mean I don't it makes me feel whatever it is it makes me feel shame that's that's your usual reaction

that's fine um I'm gonna say steam yeah steam I'm gonna go they're all real damn Damn it. They're all so ridiculous. Oh, man. What is, all right, what is steam is like when there's a bunch of momentum behind the line and it starts moving really fast. And if you have like a line service or something where you can see all the different online

casinos at once. I've heard these things exist. You can take a look and you'll see like the lines pop and they'll go from like three to three and a half to four really quickly across the board. So that line's being steamed. do you have a lot of momentum behind the bets a lot of bets a lot of bets being placed and the lines just kind of rising real fast all right but i want you to tap into the darkest part of yourself can you do that for me it's not even football season okay okay

the comfort is um that's disquieting but we'll move on from that when you heard today that the gambling case had come down and and federal idman overturned and now we have this wide open new world. What was the most devious thought that went through your head? I was kind of pissed because I was like, man, a lot of the people who are betting online are probably going to start betting in, you know, state run or state-approved books, and that's going to be taxed, and probably money's going to have to go to the leagues and all the setter stuff, and those are going to be, basically like the prices at these new places you find are probably going to suck compared to what you can get online. But if a lot of the people

leave the online market because they just would rather do it more conveniently and more legally, I guess you could say, then a lot of the offshore business is going to be hurt. So that was kind of, I was kind of bummed about that. So I don't want to have to go to a place to bet. I'd much rather just, in theory, I'd do it for my computer. But what if that places is Publix? Like parlay cards at public? Yeah.

Good afternoon. You have my attention. Yeah. what if you're just in line at Publix and you know it's like okay uh there's my little mini fridge where i can get a mountain dew or in arizona iced tea there's my candy set up there's my us weekly and here's here are the betting slips yeah they do it right where they have the lottery tickets yeah i mean that's there's like a little odds i would love that there's like an odds board right there i think you can actually do that in delaware right now like parlay cards

i think it's the state Delaware might be an entire casino of the state. Nobody's been there and can say for sure. Yeah, the Delaware sports lottery, you can do parlays. I can get parley cards, but no straight bets. Delaware is the first state we sell, right? Isn't that where SB Nation's incorporated?

I think it's where everybody's incorporated because also capitalism is a giant casino. Also, Joe Flacco has that look of somebody who's spent way too much time indoors around smokers. and failure. He knows what a Polish middle is. Oh,

Jesus. Jesus, bud, come on. This is a family. It's not a family show. Wait, so we need to know what that is. All right. So, do you all understand what a middle is? Nope.

All right. So if you have multiple, let's call them outs, right? Different spots to bet online, perhaps. And you see where one team is favored by two. at the one shop and then whoever they're playing is maybe getting four points at another place well if you lay two and you get four mathematically you can't actually lose both those bets right but there's a chance a small chance if the favorite wins by exactly three that you win both so the worst you do is you as you split the best you do is uh as you win both a polis

middle is a lot riskier for instance let's say you took a four point favorite and a two-point underdog. You could still win both, potentially, but if the favorite wins by three, you're going to lose both of those bets. You see what I'm saying? So that's, it's essentially that there's a lot of downs that risk to it if a certain outcome happens. So it's something that's not really all that smart to do unless you're getting some pretty incredible odds. My guess is going to be it's when Sebastian Janikowski puts a handcuff key in your breakfast sandwich. A little present for me to you, friend.

But you ate the sandwich. And serves it to himself with GHB. To himself. No crime has been committed here. Yeah, to himself. That is the key. That's the fair thing about Sebastian Janikowski. Who does he give it to?

Me. There is one non-gambling question Spencer had for you, but as well. I realize this I've known you for quite some time, bud. And if I have ever known your first name, your actual given first name, I don't know it. I've forgotten it. I don't know. We're going to take odds on this? Give me, give me some outs here.

Okay, my brave new world being Budford. Budford. Okay, so let's, let's, yeah, bud, what kind of odds do you want to put that bud is your actual first name or some dare, some like version? thereof uh i'll go uh three to one on that three to one on that okay um Spencer I'll give you Albert but what kind of odds you're going to give me on Albert who Albert uh give you five to two all right um Oliver Oliver how many how what are the odds looking like for Oliver that's like 21 hmm uh let's Let's see.

Let's see if we can come up with two more. Budworth. Budworth is a derivation of Bud. Okay? Let's say William. Fielza, Bud. William. I'll give you four to one on William.

Four to one on William and Harry or Harold. Harold. What are the odds on Harold? I'll give you seven to two on Harry Harold. Okay. Spencer, those are your choices. let's assume it's $100 and let's assume that yes

this is real I'm gonna go with I'm gonna go with Oliver just because it's a cool name taking the launch over fork over the hundred dollars you did shit you lose you get nothing

assume it's real you sound so happy I yeah this whole podcast is based on mutual pain put your hand in the box Ryan that was a upsetting voice in that addition

in that addition of dune the hand just comes right back out oh that hurts why would you too sad it's better than your British accent no bud would you reveal the true answer when you said William did you pull up our our namely or what's the website

box employees go to for the that that is what we have but no I just I just remember this because it's come up before. No. Because William is because William is one of those names where it's very common to vibe off it, right? Like you're not William, you're Will or then you're Bill.

Then you become Billy and then Billy kind of goes to Bud. It's in that tree of names, right? Yeah, my grandpa was Bill and my dad's bud and Bud as well. So it's you just, you nailed that. Yeah. I nailed that before I was actually asked. And then when put in a test situation,

chose the stupidest answer imagine. this is all really like this is on this is on brand i feel good about this is helpful um i do also i want to make one other uh diversion here do you know who i thought about today when this case came out hmm richard new heisle do you all remember what happened to rick new heisle at washington i do he was too good that's that was the problem all right so so we should clarify that many things happen to and around and by his own hand a lot of them were bad like jeremy stephen's bad so that probably tells you enough um but that's not why he got fired

Rick Nealaisal got fired in 2003. In the summer, he fell under investigation for what, Spencer? In the summer, I believe it was for running a... He was running an NCAA pool, was he not? He was taking part in one. I don't know if he was running it or not. The twist here is that, well, Rick did one dumb thing. When investigators came asking about it,

denied it. That's always the worst idea, especially when it's something as stupid and minor as this is. But then he came back and revealed that he had received an internal memo from the University of Washington, which authorized gambling in off-campus tournament basketball pools. So, the AD came to Rick and said, I'm going to give you two choices. You can resign or you can be fired for cause because she heard that the NCAA was considering giving him a two-year show cause. He refused and he got fired on June 11th. The NCAA did in fact

find that he violated NCAA rules but there was no two-year show cause because of that wonderful memo that mistakenly said yes, you can do this. That was not the end of the situation. however because Rick sued the NCAA and the University of Washington because of his firing towards the end of trial it was revealed that the NCAA had failed to turn over certain crucial evidence to New Isles attorneys the new evidence I'm reading from Wikipedia obviously bolstered his claim that the NCAA acted improperly

during its investigation that eventually led to its firing to his firing excuse me and so both the NCAA and Udub requested to settle before the case went to jury does anybody know how much money

they gave Rick New Heisle hmm $400 $4 and a half million dollars that's some more is what you're saying more than that

no no you're just offrights and zero I'm just I'm doing so more what I'm telling you is that Rick New Heisle is the greatest March Madness bracket story ever Your story about how you picked so-and-so to make the final four?

Look that. Rick Neuheisel threw a long and twisted road, won a $4.5 million bracket pool. And I don't even know if his picks were good. He's up there in the Pantheon with Ron Prince, man. We've got to make a constellation. He's a really special... I mean, here's the other thing I'll say about Rick Neuheisel before we move on. He has, like all coaches on Wikipedia, he has a coaching tree.

His includes Tom Cable, Norm Chow, Carl Dorell, John Embry, Bobby Hawk. so where is Carl Derell? Let's see That's a good question You look that up while I intro I got two stories about when gambling Kind of went sideways or happened Please do

Okay First of all As you know I am a graduate of the Medill School of Journalism Or at least I play one on the internet When I enjoy making fun of Northwestern Journalism grads It's for this because there's been a pretty recent instance of somebody trying to influence a football game by fumbling as a player when gambling has been in the water. That happened at Northwestern, by the way, who had football players indicted in 1998 for allegedly trying to throw games, including a running back who fumbled, said he had a sprained wrist.

The film, when we went to the film, gentlemen, this is not what it showed. Several football players ended up doing time for this, either for the charges or for lying. None of those were journalism majors. None of them, I would like to go ahead and remind everybody that none of them had the integrity and in honor of a Medill School of Journalism graduate. If they had, it would have never happened. Or they would have pled guilty. Or they would have pled guilty. I do think it's funny, though, that like Northwestern,

football was so insignificant that four players were tied up in this shit and no one knew it like it's not like a huge story people are like ah northwestern rocked by a scandal uh people are like oh yeah that makes sense i'd i'd commit crimes too i'd gamble especially if point shaving meant that like my fumbling wasn't unusual right that's what that's essentially what northwestern football players figured out that that even with the upturn in their fortunes post 1993 ninety three 94 and 95 that they could fumble and it wouldn't look suspicious right like don't you get it they weren't gambling they were laundering their own bad football that's what they were doing they were they were laundering their own shitty football team through a criminal scheme it's fucking brilliant it's that kind of entrepreneurial spirit that characterizes the big 10 that's right leaders legends launders coach for the New York Jets. That feels right. He also caught a tipped pass in 1986 against USC when UCLA up 24 to nothing at the end of the

first half on the final play of the half, faked Anil Town. Through a bomb, which was tipped off the safety's hand, caught by Derell to go up 31 to nothing into the half. God, that's spicy. I want to find video of this. That's awesome. man you really like you should go into every hall of fame that school has just for that moment right like for me there are moments like that for florida football like for instance

they're not they're not recent no this is pretty old um there was a player back in the 90s name john exnitus he is the only football player i know of who has an x in their last name that is not followed by an a um he uh i think he was i think it's a Greek last name. It's like X, Y, and he's really hard to find a college football reference, but he's easy to find in my heart, and this is why. John X-Nidus, on a fair

catch signal against Florida State, decided to completely ignore the fair catch signal and ceased his moment of glory by spearing, I want to say it might have been Peter Warwick. I don't think it was. It just completely ran through his man,

obliterated him. He got a scholarship the week before for being like a hardworking walk-off. And Spurrier was like, yeah, you don't have to pay it for school now. You've got, you know, you're a walk-on. Now you've got a scholarship. Congratulations. And he celebrated by immediately costing the team field position, getting a 15-yard penalty and getting ejected from the game for running through at Florida State kick return or punt returner, who is fair signaling.

That man, that man, that man is in that same Carl Derell catching a tip-pass Hall of Fame for running up the score in his own way. Walk-on who gets a scholarship is sort of like the British MI6 agent who gets double. status, which is to say that most of the time you're like, oh, you earned it, such hard work, et cetera. In this case, and probably in others, sometimes that power is abused. I'm sure there were double O's that were like,

here is your license to kill. They're just like, blam, blam, blam, blam! Blam! Blam! Blam! They also probably went to Florida, so it all comes. Yeah, no, undoubtedly. Double O Hernandez. Oh, no. Oh, that does explain Ronnie Wilson.

It's true. On Tom Brady's Secret Service. It is unusual to see a football player prosecuted for a crime, bud. I know. It does. It does happen. It'll be it years later and out of the jurisdiction. But still, that's a form of justice.

It's only several murders later. Listen, listen, the good news is legalized gambling in a sport. where the players don't get paid definitely won't lead to any problems oh god i think we all agree on that no but this is all see okay we were talking about the the college football hipsterdom and then asymmetrical information the group of five is where this is going to get real fun yes you mean that shitty football i'm just going to stake out toledo right now that's my gambling. Toledo's already

had an issue with this. Why do you think? Yeah. I know. It's the last place they'll check. Quietly. Somewhere in the corners

of Ohio are most like depraved and like... Actually, no, I want East Carolina. I'm going to run that shit out of Greenville because it's real hard

to get to and they are mean brokes. I got to be honest. I don't know if ECU is organized enough to pull this off. Like, I think ECU could definitely

oceans 11 this and then show up and show up and show up and be like, oh man, none of us have guns. Shit. that's what about when you fire rough and McNeil they blow people out normally and they could you know maybe not win by quite as much they're in shady Tampa is that is that your pick bud if I'm putting you in charge like what are your three schools where you're like I think I could make it happen are USF for sure because I know the kids already like since they're recruits Louisiana all the directional Louisiana's yeah including including just Louisiana I know you don't want to be Louisiana is you know she'll be a heat map with proximity to tunica.

And I'm just getting a compass and drawing a circle around like half days driving distance of tunica and I'm taking everything in that mode. And Southern Misses in the belly of this beast. Yeah. Southern Southern mist to the top. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm leaving out Memphis. Where are my manners? Paula Dean said she'd break my knee if I didn't shave points. I'm sorry.

See Memphis I could see having multiple players on multiple sides of this, right, with different sharks involved. in it right so the quarterback tries to throw a pick right but like the db can't catch it because he's on the take the other way so he's got to tip it up and like yeah speaking of things we aren't going to get sued for there is at least one certain unemployed coach i'm thinking of right now for whom this has to be a very heartening newsday hmm who's that i thought we were trying not to get sued no why would you bring it up then what's wrong with you yeah yeah that that's yeah i will i will let i will let you yes she's correct we'll we'll sort of try to figure out a way to do this without getting ourselves in trouble how do we do this without

doing this how do we do this without doing this in the meantime i have another great historical anecdote which is my favorite team to talk about in the world notre dame who actually their entire legend is tied up in gambling and i will weave this story for you okay because You remember our... The galloping ghost was actually a horse. This is close to that. So George Gipp, who was a star football player for the Notre Dame fighting Irish, he turns out George Gipp, like that entire, like most Notre Dame legends, it's all horse shit.

And also like most Notre Dame legends it starts with, turns out... Turns out, yeah, it was all a lie because George Gipp's played by Ronald Reagan, he's the one who dies, says, hey, win one for the Gipper. And Reagan, like, becomes part of his mythos. It's a lie. It's a complete lie. George Gip was a hard drinking, poker playing, pool shooting. And as it turns out, hustle and gambler. The only Notre Dame player we've ever liked.

Yeah. Who played for Newt Rockney and played for two years and was eventually kicked out despite posting no grades. So he did the Dion Sanders for two years. Okay. he skipped that whole all drop classes and go pro he just never he just never did that he would go and like play pool and gamble in the 20s when you could really like get in trouble for that and get shot you know like your cousin in tunica yeah that that that was that was how everywhere was that was how south ben was so at one point gip who gambled on his own team all the time okay and gip wasn't alone by the way Gip and the entire Notre Dame team would be involved in bets on games, all right? And this is an amazing number for the 20s. The total that the squad had on their game against Army one year when Gip was playing for them in the 20s, all right, was $4,200, all right, in the 20s.

I'm going to translate that for you, just in case you haven't done the conversion, it's $4 billion. dollars the team was able to bet four billion dollars against in their own game against army when people grouse about how they miss football the way it used to be I'm going to pretend that this is what they're talking about yeah and according to Bobby Pope with the making telegraph and who are we to doubt Bobby Pope this was Gipps Gip was such a good gambler

right that he lived did he live in the dorms y'all no George Gip did not live in the dorms did he live in like an off-camp his apartment? No, no, no. He lived downtown in the South Bend Hotel during the majority of his time at Notre Dame, according to this article. The best quote being, uh, against Army, Gip had played very poorly in the first half, Newt Rockney got after him. And, uh, Newt Rockney said, I guess you don't have any interest in this game. It's a nice burn, dork. Anyway, I guess you don't want to be here. I'll just wait. Can we talk about the inflation calculator using that story?

You think I overshot it by $4 billion? We'll come back to that in a second. But I've got to get to the second half of this quote. So Newt Rockney said, I guess you don't have any interest in this game. And Gip said in response, look, Rock, I got $400 bet on this game and I'm not about to blow it. This started as kind of like a, you know, yeah, he shit Notre Dame kind of story.

respect to George Gippe though made the most of it man and that's where juvenile got the idea for 400 degrees that came from that came from UNC by the way that was the inspiration damn yeah why would you like this he can't help it he can't help it um but also brought up earlier when we were talking the best application for this which is so what now can we talk about the financial calculator fine fine spencer how bad are you enough like a horse i didn't even look it up y'all it's actually if i had to bet what four thousand two hundred dollars is a modern dollars um it from like let me see i would go ahead and bet that it's probably

equivalent to i'll bet it's equivalent to 28,000 dollars that that's my guess have you already beat me to this it was 400 you said um the team bet for the team bet a combined 4,200 and this being so I would go ahead and take a baseline baseline year of like 1920 so I put 1918 I hope that works for you um and that's the equivalent of 75 thousand dollars a little a little over 75 grants so you were close you're short by like 3.9.925 billion that's fine that's fine I'm not a finance major That's yeah it's weird that you got into college football blogging With this fiscal talent of yours

I'm telling you It sounded like four billion dollars That felt right And if it felt right in my soul That's cool Spencer I want you to make me a promise I don't ask much of you But if you ever try to restructure your mortgage

I want you to call it I want you to call an adult first Okay It's too late too late buddy if that mortgage was in Florida I was going to sell you one of our sponsors of my other podcasts actually

let's talk about that other podcast let's do an ad for it right now that's that's the funny like the funniest part is that if I actually was buying if I were buying a house in in Florida like I would make no attempt to make it a legitimate thing

whatsoever like nothing There would be no responsibility to other humans involved and be like, oh, this is in Florida, whatever. Be like, what's the interest rate? It doesn't matter. I'm not paying any of this. It's fine. Jingle mail.

Yeah, any other state, I would be like, well, these are good people. I should go ahead and just give them money back. Florida, like, no, man. You're going to have to take this out of my kidneys. My name is Daniel Frumage. The real owner of this house is technically a public constructor. He's a good snake.

It's fine. that's just Charlie he don't mean nothing anyway so bud pointed out that the advantage of this is that the technological times that we live in mean what it means to bet on sports is very different than it did back in the gipper's day the gipper could just bet I assume these bets were just like Notre Dame is going to beat army or army is going to lose to Notre Dame those are the same things but if you say them in jaunty accents you can get somebody

to make a bet on either side it won't matter but now bud if what you're saying is accurate we can get much more granular is that correct oh yeah you have the uh in-game wagering which is really this is really good for gandling i said it's probably not um yeah but good you mean awful so yeah you can uh i don't know the tennis terms necessarily but basically you can bet uh like after each serve in tennis the odds change like that quickly after each after each stroke in golf there's just like incredible online

like live wager opportunity after each I don't think you can do each pitch in baseball but you can definitely do after each batter that it would really have past the time in baseball if you could yeah exactly so all these little micro bets and it helps people to feel like they're not betting quite so much and you know keep more action in the game and I imagine at some point it's going to be what's the next play going to be

runner pass that kind of stuff eventually you can't do that quite yet but you could in theory do things like are they going to convert this third down or something like that's but like out of a timeout or something sure yeah could I just bet could I bet like is this next pass going to be a pick because that'd be really fun once a year I have that superpower

yeah no I'm pretty good at I'm pretty good at like feeling when like You know what I really wish you could bet on? I wish you could bet on whether somebody was going to make a field goal immediately, like up to the second they kick it, right? You would absolutely take the no option every time. Yeah, no, no, no. I would, because like, that's one of those things that more often than not, I think I'd get right if I just had to guess because it's a vibe thing.

Everybody looks wrong before a bad kick's coming, and I can't quite explain it. No, remember in the coach's film room? at the title game when they, no, was it the title game? It was Georgia, Oklahoma. Yeah. And they line up and you see every coach in the room just go, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I was like, no, no, no, I get that. Because kicking is one of those like intuition things that more often that I think is better than random when it comes to looking at it and going, yeah, something's off here.

Now, everything you're saying replace kicker and kicking game with roulette and roulette wheel. and you sound exactly like every dipshit gambler just for the record it's a vibe thing i just have a read on it i just have a feeling how many i could just sort of how many games how many trips to the roulette table in a row have i come away up how many at this point at this point it's seven i've had seven i've had seven straight trips to the roulette table oh man no i'm it's i'm on some sort of really bizarre and i know completely random roulette thing and i can only claim that it's my positive attitude that gets me

success at the roulette table. It's your cherry disposition. By the way, in stadium Wi-Fi. Oh, God. Honestly, worth it just for this. Have you guys thought about that? All the ways in which

that has sucked in the past. Yeah, to force them to actually commit to this? Well, no, you could beat the delay on TV. Oh. Oh, my. Oh, we're going to leverage that difference, aren't we? In Bud letting, the Monday newsletter,

figure out how to use the delay between TV and the live action to get an edge on the sharks. Everybody's going to be like, why is Bud at this Cal-FCS game? He's like, nobody here, so the Wi-Fi signal is impeccable. You realize this is going to have to see the upload speeds I'm getting. No, not the media, bud. don't they have a betting window like in the media area at the derby

yeah but that's different it already exists in a couple no i'm saying in places where gambling is intrinsically part of the experience it already exists jesus everybody we hate is going to have so many dumb shit opinions about this i can't wait man how is how is that different from now oh it's different it's different because gambling is one of those things that attracts um capital d dumb Guys, capital G, right? Like that and Bradley Cooper movies. Like, that's who, I didn't say the ones where he plays Rocket Raccoon.

Don't look at me like that. That's his finest work. Those are Vin Diesel movies. Look it out. Vin Diesel movies. Yeah. Any movie where a guy has slicked back hair and has the world at his feet, right? Like, that's, Wolf of Wall Street is a dumb guy movie.

That's not Bradley Cooper. It's not? Oh my gosh. No. None of those people are Bradley Cooper. No, like limitless. none of those people are Bradley Cooper No, limitless is Bradley Cooper

I was just counting on him not to know that No, that much I do know Yeah You know big, big with Bradley Cooper Also not Bradley Cooper God, how did Spencer lose $5,000 betting on what movie's Bradley Cooper They kept giving me more chances

Holly runs a mean casino But it was actually But yeah, that's like it's a dumb guy thing right but we're like yeah man I got the system I got it down I see the matrix I got this it's college football rooms won't know what's happening we need like a we need a Venmo style like micro bedding platform that's like a social network with you and your friends my no didn't say that out loud my business model is I take all your money yeah it's what you're describing is like a curse jar but for stupid yeah that'll be it

just be like listen I need doubt on whoever listens to the Joe Rogan podcast really enjoys limitless by Bradley Cooper and loves sports betting coming for you rap report that's my target audience I need this how soon till the forecast is sponsored by bet DSI seconds we might that email might be in my inbox right now it's a shame I'll never read it we should be so lucky now we'll never come on bud you've you've heard us do ad rates nobody wants those are not an ad read tonight I noticed we don't have an ad read this speak. I didn't check. So if there is

if there is, it will go here. We do have an ad read. It's for bloodletting. Bud letting. Can we do a horse racing one and call it talking about the foals? Brought you by four hens. No, that feels like it's an Eagles podcast

now. It's confusing. Yeah. We don't have an ad read tonight, but we will go ahead and pimp all of these businesses we've created based around basically telling dumb guys. that we're going to take their money also still fuck cheese it she's it the snack of cowards you've been wagering hard little nervous need to work out those jaw muscles cheese it you've been losing you've been losing big time at the tables want you losing your stomach cheese it

what what is the what is the genesis of the cheese it hate I do I don't need a lot of cheeses but still we just decided we just decided whenever we Jason just decided because we didn't have a sponsor one week that we would call out cheese it for not sponsoring us and so So this is kind of like a protection racket, but not an effective one. So if they sponsor us, we won't say all these bad things about them. You had me at Protection Rocket. Thank you. We do have one sort of thing to announce.

We're doing a live show in Atlanta on Friday, August 31st. We don't know where it will be. We don't know when it will be. We don't know how much tickets will be. But we are letting you know this because if you would like to be on, I guess, the like early notification list you should send us an email at shutdown forecast at voxmedia.com v oxmedia.com there's already like 200 some people on that list which feels weird than you usually have about anything relating to the forecast in advance so don't complain

oh i'm going to be there oh no shit special butt appearance the uh like guinette county is doing this insane like jamboree thing where you have like 10 of the best high school teams in the nation all play on Labor Day weekend. Oh my God, just what we need yet another cross section of sports fans in Atlanta on Labor Day.

Wait, this is going to be great. Wait, guys, guys, we're taking Bud to DragonCon. Yes. What character would do we cosplay him as? Darth Mall. Just Bud. He's just going out of himself. It's just

I was sure. All he was going to say somebody. I didn't know, but I do know Dark Ball is. No, I don't really understand. I don't watch a lot of Star Trek, so. I know a Star Trek to know, like, the names of the series. I don't know, like, the actually. No, I want your, I want you in Darth Mall gear, but your face is like, you're done up, like, the FSD Glitter guys.

But what the ones? No, I'm telling you, if we just send Bud as himself, it'll be like, are you like super casual Dr. Alan Grant? Oh, my God, you know, that's so brave. What do you think the cross-section is? of hardcore college college football recruiting fans and attendees at dragon con because it's the thing that's the thing about this weekend in atlanta it's the greatest people watching spot in america because on any given weekend or like on any given like street corner or like random hotel lobby you will have dragon con fans talking to alabama fans waiting for the shuttle rubbing shoulders with people who had like we ran into people a couple years ago who had stormtrooper you know uniforms that were done up in like Tennessee colors. There's also a dude named Darth Vall,

which is a really good, really good description of Tennessee's quarterback. Yeah, so, but I guess my answer is more than you think. Every year, it's more than you think, more intersections than you think. Also, Black Pride Weekend is also that weekend. There's also usually something NASCAR-y, and if the Braves are in town.

All right, but here's, let's put it this way. Is Alabama playing in Atlanta on Labor Day this year? It's Auburn this year, isn't it? yeah i think uh i don't think alabama's in town for that i think they play louisville are ever at like a nice hotel on later day weekend in Atlanta watching bama fans roll up to check in their rooms next to attendees at uh black pride weekend oh it's great is is a really awesome people watching event yeah that is uh it's a beautiful human tapestry i did see one year uh we went around for the original shutdown fullback

and we did find Alabama Zangeefe which it was a guy dressed up like Zangif who could carry it off he's like a big dude with beard wearing like the wrestling panties right and yeah found him and he's a Bama fan we were like ha ha ha you're here for DragonCon right

there's like no way that you're like here for the game he's like oh I'm going to the game yeah roll tide that's what you're training to kill