Shutdown Fullcast - Scandal Appreciation with Bomani Jones

Episode Date: November 15, 2019

Bomani Jones joins Spencer, Holly, and Jason for a discussion of Banner Society and The Right Time’s series on how money and college football players meet Bobby Petrino wearing Sugar Bowl gear to his motorcycle crash presser Texas A&M and how you can avoid wearing a uniform by just getting a dog Which schools have never tried cheating Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. This is the Internet's only college football podcast, and if that weren't already true, it would become true tonight because joining us to interrupt the usual important discussion of Pittsburgh football and other titans of the industry. We're going to talk to Beaumonti Jones. Hey, Bo. What's going on?

I did see it's Pittsburgh in North Carolina, and I learned the day that Pittsburgh has a good defense because I hadn't bought a damn thing about Pittsburgh football at all. Should we update him on the glorious progress of Pat and Arduzzi towards football perfection? Yeah, when we walked into here to do the show, they had just called back a Pittsburgh touchdown, but called DPI on the past that was supposed to be a touchdown.

So both coaches were screaming at the ref at the same time. So that was fun. And on two occasions, and on two occasions this year. Oh, also they fought before opening kickoff because, you know, that's what you expect of those Mac Brown teams, the chippy. Oh, that's, okay. Yeah, and on two occasions this year. He's still got some of the last guys' players. Pat Narduzzi has on two occasions this year on fourth and short kicked a field goal at the one.

Yeah. In games in which he needed seven. to be specific. With under two minutes on the clock, I believe. Under three and one, I know for sure. But it's okay, because he went into his press conference after both games and made it worse. By explaining his rationale. I'd tell you this, though, if you put me a list of the 130 college football coaches,

just put them on a piece of paper, and I don't know anything about them. You asked me to pick out which one of them was the head coach at Pittsburgh. I think I'm pulling Arduzzi off that list. You're like, step one, go tea. have any of y'all ever met him he has eyes like a ninja turtle villain oh like I would I want to play football for pit he's got that touch yeah also he looks like a man who hasn't seen the sun in like no it's why I say he's a ninja turtle visiting because he's been creeping

through the sewers yeah we have we have a little bit of official business a bit of podcast business if you will to cover which is that in coordination with at the right time, Banner Society has been helping you all out on a couple things. I was on there to talk about, elicit recruiting. Is that probably what we talked about? Yeah, we basically just rattled off a roll call off the top of our heads of our favorite college football scandals involving boosterish behavior. Yeah, that's really all we're going to do tonight after this, by the way. We're just going to like shut out everything else that we've done.

Because this is the week that we discovered that the biggest one-day download and shut down full cast history was not any of our championship specials, not recording from the Rose Bowl, not even the time Lane Kiffie got fired at the airport. Nope, Hugh Freeze in the hospital bed. Yeah. In fact, the biggest one before this was when Hugh Freeze was fired over some FOIA documents. The first time. So now he's done this twice. Hugh Freeze is our most reliable content well. Hugh Fries continue to do crimes that this show may go on forever. I feel like Hugh Fries getting busted for the numbers coming up on his phone bill is really underrated in the grand scheme of college football.

That did not stay with us long enough. It's a shame that story was wait for such a rapid news cycle and it really cost us what it should have been for not just any guy, but that guy to get caught like that and then go get the job and live. How do we not talk about this more? I think they've actually taken a pretty good approach for the current news cycle, which is this. Just keep doing crimes. If you just keep doing them. They'll stop talking about the old crimes because they have to cover the new crimes. Yeah.

We lost bow. It works. Hold on. I'm here. Folks, you'll be happy to know our audio is contagious and it spreads to any guest. It's that New York. internet it ain't as good as that oxford mississippi internet that hugh freeze used to no i had like i was trying to like bluetooth headphone and it felt like it was creating a delay

and so i thought i may have been affecting the quality of the podcast so i said no such thing no such thing. It's that quality. We keep it straight punk here. So, lo-fi. Lo-fi, you're right in line. Nobody likes the delay. And like all my favorite punks, it's not because we're that anti-establishment.

It's just because we're poor. You also had Marcus Spears on. We're going to close out, and we're going to close out the four-part series with Joel Anderson, friend of both programs. Just, if you want to understand, like, I think, from every single perspective, the various skullduggeries that happen in college football, recruiting-wise,

and in terms of power players, it's a really good intro. I mean, of course, you know, shining my own badge here, but, like, we did a great job. Let's do one that doesn't shine a badge. If you like this any series from the right time, they did one, but was it over the summer on the Max Contract era that was also really cool and really informative? You can scroll back through the archives and check that one out. I am glad that you enjoyed that because I really worried. that that was just a little bit too nerdy.

Gabe pushed on that and got through and people really dug it. Even for having marinated in Grantland for two and a half years, it was something that I didn't feel like I had a really great grounding on historically and context-wise. Yeah, that was really cool.

Yeah, I do imagine that Grantland is a place full of people that really, really, really get off on things like mass contracts and mid-level exceptions. I didn't watch basketball until I got there. Like, I had never, because I didn't grow up around basketball unless it was Pat Summit basketball. And you kind of can't be there and not watch basketball

because it creates a language barrier if you don't watch basketball between you and your co-workers. Well, welcome to the party. It is a weird world. It's not this world's kind of weird, but weird nonetheless. Thank you.

I'm a Grizzlies fan. It's going to be great. Oh, yeah, you picked the right one. You're doing this correct. Go, go Gris! I think one of the best moments that I've ever heard was during the run of Grit and Grind at the peak when John Hollinger was asked about playing the Spurs. And one night they beat the Spurs. And I think it was a DM that

accidentally went out as a tweet where Hollinger said, somebody congratulated him. And instead of replying the DM, he did in the timeline and said, thanks. It sometimes feels like we're drawing mustaches on the Mona Lisa, but we're doing our best. Good enough for me. The, go check out that. Go check out the series that Banner Society just did with the right time. They are both informative and fantastic. Tonight, the notes that I have here,

by the way, are just this. Yeah, we have notes. It says, Beaumani Scandal Show, and then it says, the hits and only the hits. That's it. I just have like a starter list of like favorite, extremely

sketchy dudes. Well, if we're starting with hits, we got to start with our favorite hit of all, which is Bobby Petrino hit the pavement and then being asked to hit the pavement. I have not been saving that. I love that guy. And I love that guy just because who lies that fast? Who goes straight to the lie? And he's a very, it was a good lie too because it was uninteresting. Yes. And it almost worked. So, it almost worked the the rumor had been for a long time and unconfirmed that there was no motorcycle accident or if the motorcycle accident happened then the motorcycle accident was not the reason for the neck brace

that in fact there is this long-standing rumor that the dude who was bobby petrino's mistress's fiancee tuned him up, which I sort of think that might be wishful fulfillment for Falcons fans or anyone else who's been on the wrong end of Bobby Petrinoing. Your face, like his face looks like it rode dirt, though. Like his face looks like it got dragged along the ground. I just, that was my argument. Yeah. Those are not, those were punched into face wounds. Those were, those were abrasions. They looked like he fell off a motorcycle. Yeah, the neck brace was probably the thing where I went, I don't know. That might be, that may be cosmetic.

But yeah, I really want to believe that. I think the main cosmetics was putting the bowl gear on top of all of us. Is it the cotton bowl hat? Okay, y'all, you all remember that, right? Like, sitting on top of his head? Sugar ball, right, right. Like, that was the most cynical part of all is that he showed up reminding you what I have done to you that no one has.

did he like at any point by the way did anyone point that out in the moment because i'd totally forgotten that he was wearing oh yes oh yeah yeah because it's bobby petrino like we did not give him a moment of leeway on this because it's bobby it feels easy to forget that this because this was like eight scandals ago but it was also like eight scandals in you know like he was a known dirt bag at the time only more so in hindsight beau i i know you with no charm with no charm and no personality it's like talking to it's like talking to a box fan trying to talk to bobby petrino an underhanded box fan oh yes sorry bo i always love when you talk about bobby petrino because like though you have wisely sworn off the atlanta falcons you still

maintain the edge for those who have wronged them such as New Orleans the New Orleans Saints franchise and and the coaching question here yes I had a little sympathy for him with the five situation though he thought he was coming to coach Michael Vicki he got Joey Harrington that he got and what did he do he got there and he lied to the players and said that we're all in this thing together and he was try to get the fuck out. The only difference between him and every other player on the roster is that he had the option

of getting the fuck out. He just, he bailed. I would have failed, too. Also, I always thought, like, the juxtaposition between the bail and the recovery is astonishing because it's like, well, what was the escape pod? Where did it land?

On the side of the road. And do you remember the press conference? when he had to call the hogs and to look on his face like, oh my God, I'm back to this shit. The only coach who is compared in terms of Stranger in a Strange Land,

I have landed on the wrong island, right? Kind of look was Jimbo Fisher the first couple of weeks? Because A&M was very much like, here's Jimbo learning all of our traditions and all of our culture. And Jimbo's like, how do you? how d how much i get paid for touching this cow

but you know he melted eventually because he's like i am rich you are rich yes and i have to imagine that's every conversation well his problem was texas had the maccabig situation where macabig just never understood that his particular archetype was never going to work there and so they eventually at texas got on wearing boots and shit like that but he just didn't fit. Like, Jimbo's not far away. West Virginia and Colorado Station are really kind of like neighbors when you stop

to think about it. But he got there and realized, oh, there's like weird quirkiness to this whole thing. Ooh, man. That's a lot to figure out in two weeks, man. I mean, that's a church with a dog on the altar. Yeah. Yeah. He had, although I do think the argument that they were closer than people thought,

Jimbo could go to a gas station and buy a deer stand. yeah Texas is fine with him you know what else I think see you were saying West Virginia station aren't that far apart you know what else that puts me to mind of Nick Sabin being a really great fit at Michigan State when he first got there and he's like

ah this is another tarp based economy I can work with this oh these people these people have actually had fights with bricks okay cool cool I can do Michigan State I was going to He did that Kent State run for college, right? So, like, he got his Rust Belt in.

He knew what he was doing. Yeah, he and Gary Pinkle in the same, like, they were roommates at Ken State, which I can't think of, like, a quiet room, right? Yeah. Just then both, like, sitting perfectly. Like, Lucy and Desi on their little beds, just, like, with books in front of them just. Oh, good night, Gary. Good night.

And they wake up three hours later. All right. I'm refreshed. I'm refreshed. I'm good. Yeah. this is normal human act like this um i wanted to ask you said mackovic would never you know that archetype would never work at texas um is that what tom herman's deal is right now

like is he is he just kind of too much of it is he too much of a like agro dick type dude to be successful there well to be fair his archetype doesn't really seem to work anywhere as far as relating to people he just happened to win enough games for that one year like I don't know how it would have gone for him if he had gotten to, like, year three at Houston, and they only won, like, seven games. Like, he sold high on that one. Nobody seems to like him. And it doesn't seem to be a particular to Austin thing.

It doesn't sound like they liked them that much in Columbus. It doesn't, I mean, he's in Mincea. And that was my first sign that we had a problem here. I was like, do you know anybody that's in MENSA? I was like, do you know anybody that's in MENSA? I didn't know that he still has been certified by somebody else. doesn't get in they still have mince and tom herman is in it and that's all i needed to know to let me know watch out for this guy he he really annoys me i'm just like when does a coach have time to

get into menza and like you think tom herman's just sitting around reading books because i don't no and i i bet he's good at puzzles like i bet he wrecks at the seducco or have you say that He's cleaning up the crossword in the morning. He's the guy who posts his Times for the New York Times crossword on his Instagram. Like 1153, y'all, on a Thursday puzzle. I'll mean if it's smoke him. Come on. I got to admit, like Mina, I clip Mina most days. I got to start posting proof.

Yeah. No, I'll go head to head. Sir. I know. Wow. That's a serious charge. I'm a Monday through Wednesday crossword participant. I'm not looking for a challenge.

I don't need to do right fast. I don't need that much anger in my life. What is, what is the easy day? Is it like a noted easy day? Monday, Monday. Monday, okay. Yeah. And on Thursday, it's like,

you. And then it just runs up. You know what I do Monday and like, yeah, yeah, but I find that the far that you go in the cross that I didn't bother to read in school because I looked up once it realized between like sixth and 11th grade and I didn't do a single piece of sign reading. And I listed out on the crossword puzzle as a result. I was thinking, though, that, like, if somebody, you know, with Tom Herman, you know, if he's in Mensa and someone tells you you're in Mensa, right? This is the equivalent of somebody trying to pick up a woman at a bar and going, like, I am very rich and I have lots of excellent sex.

You should trust me, I have a card that says, I am wealthy, and I have lots of sex. Like, thanks, Tom. You don't have to tell people that. Also, maybe try beating Kansas State by more than a feel goal. maybe try winning nine games i'd appreciate that yeah because that was a field goal like that's in first year chris clemen's tenure that's not yeah that's almost charlie strong territory where did kansas state found their coach which dakota i i did they did get them from the hinterlands i do have to say though as a program texas appreciates beating kansas state a little more than others do

We've long ago learned that this was no promised thing. As I recall, they lost Iran Prince twice. It wasn't just... It wasn't just... Was that Josh Freeman? Was Josh Freeman the greatest quarterback in the world for exactly eight quarters against Texas? Yeah, I think one of them was Josh Freeman.

Because one year... Did they lose to Colin Klein? It was like the Jevon Seed game. And to be fair, probably. And to be fair, when Colin Glyde was there, they were losing to every goddamn body. Like, name of a Big 12 quarterback. And that Austin, whatever kid at Iowa State,

I feel like he probably beat Texas. I don't remember when he played. No, no, I think he did. No, I think he did. Like, that was the great joy of watching Big 12 football for me. I know people are like, oh, man, it's so dynamic watching Oklahoma score points. And I'm like, I really just used to crave watching somebody get old man.

by going up to like Manhattan, Kansas and watching Kansas State run exactly 48 plays for 35 points and 40 minutes of possession. Yes. Have you ever told you by story that somebody told me about how in the middle of nowhere Manhattan is right fast?

Because like it goes into our theme. This guy says he goes to visit Manhattan. He flies into Kansas City. He gets off the plane and gets him in the car, starts riding, He looks always like, oh, we're like, no, man, sit back, you got a long way to go. Ride down the road, probably another 30, 45 minutes later. They roll past, I think it's Topeka.

He's like, oh, we're here, told you, buddy, we got a long way to go. They go like another hour or something like that. They come past this other town, so we're here. I told you, get, chill out, man, we got a long way to go. Get to the exit where it says Manhattan. Oh, no, dude, we got a long way to go. And I think it's another 20 minutes after that. That is what you're doing to recruit.

to get people to Kansas State. That's why they got to fly everybody in private. And why I don't understand why the rest of the debate didn't have more that fighting spirit of the Southwest Conference where you can be good if you want to, it's just going to cost a little bit of money. Who's never paid up, by the way? Like, who in that constellation's never paid up?

At one point or another, right? Like, Nebraska most likely had a good, solid benefits program. I would say benefits package for going to Lincoln. They'll have guns in safes. They'll have Kevin Steele hit a gun in a safe, y'all. By the way, like, current. We're excited to watch him take over at Auburn. Current Auburn defensive coordinator, Kevin Steele, never forget, put a gun in a safe in 1995.

I want to say 94, 95. Yeah. Story's still in Sports Illustrated. If you were, probably. The greatest college football team are all time. Sometimes you got to put a gun in the seat. safe. This is the trade to have the greatest college football team of all time. That's what it says right outside the stadium. It's suspended Lawrence Phillips for a long time.

Yes. Yes, it does. I think my favorite part of that Sports Illustrated story is that I think if I'm remembering the framing correctly, they say Steele and Tom Osborne put the gun in the safe like it took two of them. Yeah. Yeah. They're good. Like they were carrying it like on howling one or something. That gun was going in the safe. Yeah, that girl was going in the safe. top eyes boy does not seem like a trusting sword no no no he was there he was there to watch an account right he probably actually wrote it down right gun in safe he's got like a ledger yeah he was he was the guy who was like are you starting um okay well what did you run in the 40

this week like that was how that was that Nebraska did it they were like they weren't like that feely touchy like i don't know they're both pretty even he was like no Tommy fraser ran like a 4-4 and Brooks Berenger ran a four or five, so you start. That was how they did it. Like they were not cozy or personal about anything. People were like, oh, the Heartlands team. No. No, they were ruthlessly analytical, right?

I'm like, not a level that we have now, but like they were cold about everything, right down to training. And I won't met like their weight training program, which happened strictly on pure Midwestern values and white bread and milk. they pull train we're back to trains in Nebraska again see done and done but who hasn't paid like who never actually ended up doing

like because if I think of programs like old programs that never had a good moment of like absolute corruption like Missouri never did that Missouri's never had like any outlaw period right yeah is there like a Jack

Mormon BYU booster population that's a fascinating question that's a really good question that we should ask matt brown like the pepsy mafia yeah yeah yeah one vice at a time fellas yeah be like Pepsi free whatever the caffeine free version is right get you a milkshake after 10 p.m. I want to know the recruiting story I want to know is I want to know the Marshawn Lynch era cow story when Cal when Cal decided to start like recruiting real players and they started going over in Oakland and they started recruiting California and they started taking like you like that's where that's where you get really brilliant skill players like

Marshaun Lynch to Sean Jackson right they start they start looking under logs I mean like Aaron Rogers was not an easy find right and he ends up at Cal I want to know what boosters for Cal did that but see I think Marshawn Lynch recruits himself basically by saying this is the closest thing to staying in Oakland I can get. Like, I'd love to know how much time Marshaul Lynch spent on the quad.

I think he probably walked through once a week, like, look at this. Oh, yeah. Me. Yeah, like he fall through. Fantastic. Like, Marshall Lynch never left home until they sent him to Buffalo and oh my goodness, I can only imagine

what that was. Is that the saddest human on the planet? Yes. at that moment was when Marshaun Lynch landed in Buffalo. We think about it being Marcus Marietta going from Hawaii to Oregon to Nashville, but that's way worse. No, that's way worse. Hold on.

No, Marshawn Lynch is not even the saddest former Pac-12 running back about the fact that he got sent to play in Buffalo. I don't know if we're allowed to mention this gentleman's name. He became rather infamous for non-football related things after a Hall of Fame career. Oh, no. That was a dude that really didn't want to be in no Buffalo. I mean, man. he was in Buffalo in the 70s.

Yes. Like, plants closed. Eight feet of snow. An offense that's going to run me 52 times a game directly into the teeth some guy who's going to be dead in 10 years, right? Like, oh, no, that's grim. Every day is a Bruce Springsteen song at Buffalo, 1975. oh man like and just like i don't remember like because you know i don't remember oj playing

in buffalo how many times do you think he went back oh only we had bc was settled for a broadcast scraved to be back there now do you think he spent the night uh never did oj ever buy a house in buffalo or did he just stay at a hotel. Doing the Dana. Dana Holgerson with the greatest commute ever. When Dana Holgerson was at Oklahoma

State, he did not live in Stillwater. He lived in Tulsa and commuted. And how far is that? Oh, it's not, it's like an hour 20 or something, right? Hour and a half. It's not. He was sleeping in a truck.

Hey, guys. Know this. Yeah, I just got to get home. His voice has not always sounded that way. I got to get home to Tulsa. Like, what do you do it when Tulsa is like the refuge? Right? It's almost easier to go to Oklahoma City than it is to go to Tulsa, which means that

Dana just like Tulsa. World Roberts University, they got culture there. By the way, speaking of, like, scandal, I feel like it's been long enough ago since this happened that people may have forgotten that this man got ejected from multiple casinos in the state of West Virginia while being the head coach at the University of West Virginia. How hard is it to get kicked out of a West Virginia casino if you're the coach of the football team? And it's Dana, so we were all just like, how droll? Well, there's two things.

Dana's, the story, one of the stories mentioned that Dana, it was one of Dana's friends, which makes me wonder, what was Dana Holerson's crew like in West Virginia when he went out to casinos? Right. Yeah. Which one of them was named Daryl? A picture I'm having like a Charlie's Angels setup of like mid-50s divorcees. Yeah. This here's Wanda.

And he's got backup dancers, but they all have lead pipes. Yeah. Yeah. And nothing is sadder than a rural casino. Like if it ain't on no boat. No, it's grim. The second thing about that entire situation. I'm sure that place did not have a luxury hotel attached to it.

Like if your shit ain't got no quality hotel attached to it, but this shit's about to be a bummer. Dana, that makes me wonder, and I feel like I kind of have a clue as to why I'm a freak with these casinos. How sad is it to be still being a person in the 20 teens searching for a place where you can smoke indoors?

Because sometimes I feel like that's all he wants. I just want to eat my steak and smoke at the same time. I just want to smoke inside where nothing can make the smoke go away. It's all that crave. They won't even let me smoke a waffle house anymore. I know. True story. This is why Andrew Sharp left L.A. and moved back to D.C. So he can smoke inside? Yes.

Wow. That's amazing. You know, it's a real sharp. Yeah. That's an horrible trait. Oh, the other thing about that entire story is this, and this says a lot about West Virginia, that Holgerson, that Bill Stewart leaked that. Like, Bill Stewart found that out.

Bill Stewart fed that. Oh, bitty. Yeah, Bill Stewart fed that to a columnist, right? It ended up as a story, and it backfired spectacular. He was spectacularly on Stewart. And then he died. Yes, he did. Not money.

A man died. No, it's terrible. It's just like, man, how wrong could it go for you? You get the West Virginia job after beating Oklahoma, right? Which never ever give anyone a head coaching job after they beat Oklahoma. He got a lot of tired of feelings. Right. And two, he got a tight of feelings in a bar.

Right? With the power brokers that be in West Virginia, you're like, just give Bill the job. God. Yes. And by the way, if you're wondering, hey, guy, if you ever lost your previous job for using the N-word with your players and what school might you be able to fully get back to the top, the answer just might be West Virginia.

Good God. That did happen. No, that completely had it. It did happen. It never came up. it's just like like when schools lack self-awareness or have enough self-awareness to know that they're that school like kansas fired martmangino right for abuse allegations right like there were cases of players being forced to do i don't know it's like extremely crow magnin viking kind of you know i do a bear crawl on hot astroturf for like 80 yards right and uh they get fired like they fire them because they're tired of them the arrogance that Kansas had to go, you know what? I think we can keep this going. Like, despite the entire history of Kansas like football all the way back.

The only sport Kansas has ever been consistently good at is the one where you really need five players, right? Five players and some backups, right? That's the only sport. If you need 22 athletes at a minimum, it ain't your game. Get out of the state, right? You're going to have do what Kansas State did and you're going to have to shop for odd parts and sausage casings, right? You're going to have to get that, you're going to have to get that tight, right. You're going to have to, like, juco it to hell and get a tight end who can, like, throw the ball 30 yards. Accurately, no, but we're going to get in there, right? That's the only way you can be good at Kansas.

And Kansas, with Mark Mangino, the guy who got them to the Orange Bowl, right? The guy who got them to 11. Yeah, yeah, and they won. With, like, a 5'8 quarterback, right? And Akib Talib, that's it. Which, by the way, if you want to know, there's a phenomenon that happens in college football all the time where there is a white player who is given the lion's share of media attention. Like, this guy is the heart of the team, okay? We'll call it the Tebow phenomenon, right?

Where they're like, this guy's a leader. He just anchors the whole thing. And the people who are actually making things happen and, like, keeping the locker room in line and establishing a culture are like on the Tebow team. It was spikes. It was Harvin, right? It was the pouncies, but they're like, oh, that Tebow, everyone follows his lead. I mean, no, he's not the guy that they're afraid of, right? He's not the guy who's, like, actually calling people out in practice and not getting, like, eye rolls, right?

No, Todd Riesing, great player, right? Do you want to know who really gave that Kansas team attitude? A keep to lead, right? That's, like, never gets enough credit. Won't ever give enough credit. He is, I mean, also, what must have been. his dossier that he wound up having to go to Kansas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it was, I don't think it was good. I don't think it was flattering.

Pac-Man Jones had to go from Atlanta to West Virginia. Tell me why. My favorite thing about Rich Rodriguez's players, right, or anybody really, if you see like skill players who end up at like West Virginia, right, or end up at Kansas, you can, you can pretty much see the story. You go, Pat White. He's undersized, right? Like he was, he's not a big dude at all, right? You know, but he wanted to play quarterback, so, and he's really fast, so we got it. Noel Devine, okay.

You know, had some academic problems and, you know, he's kind of undersized, but, you know, obviously brilliant. We got him. And then you see, like, Pac-Man Jones. You go, oh, man, that's a brilliant cornerback. No obvious physical sort of, you know, disadvantages or oddities. What's up with him? You're like, I don't know, he'll tell the coach to suck his dick in two seconds if he doesn't like what he was here all right yeah okay cool that's probably he produced in

Atlanta like I think he like ran for like 1800 yards on offense and he was a two-star recruit who got an offer from Duke because he had good grades yeah no it wasn't even the grades that's the funniest part about Pac-Man like even to this day Pac-Man like Pac-Man still has all of his money yep right Pac-Man's Pac-Man's got the nice spot Pac-Man keeps everything in line Pac-Man is a really smart dude right it's just at some point in the encounter with authority the attitude that he had was i also have opinions about what should be happening right now he's he's a cat is he a cat if pagman jones might be a cat right like yeah get off the get off the chair counterpoint

i disagree i would prefer not to like i kind of i love like the cool hand luke aspect to players like that right like hey you're brilliant what are you going to do um you're going to have to put me in solitary because i'm i'm not going to i'm going to eat all these eggs that's what i'm going to do i'm patman jones and i'm going to eat all of these eggs in one sitting i love players like that by the way uh keeb talib from richardson texas his other offers coming out of high school where arizona baler tulsa wyoming in kansas state oh excuse me excuse me no offer from kansas state So not good enough for Kansas State. Good enough for Wyoming, though.

No, Kansas State wouldn't here to go to Juco to get some refined men. I would assume so. Like, you're going to like finishing school for Kansas State. Yeah. It's just Bill Snyder's finishing school. Like, they all come out with ascots, right? Yes. Going like, Byron Keats are Shelley, sir.

I am now a man, I am now a man of style and taste. And I will take my fortune and wares to Manhattan, the big apple. Yo, thinking about scandal, Northwestern. It's Northwestern ever paid. Oh, no. No, no, no. They never. No.

Because if they had, they wouldn't shut up about it. Yeah, they would have to report it themselves. I will actually, I take that back. Because I think, like, based on what Colorado was like with Gary Barnett and the kind of like low-scale stuff that I think they had to do. to get recruits. I'm going to go ahead and just say that there may have been a little bit of that.

He did get to the fucking Rose Bowl. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Then what happened? Yeah. Okay. There was the point shaving scandal. Yeah.

There was that. So that's that's a roundabout payment. That's like, can we bring back point shaving? That's like, that's like self-payment, right? Yeah, by the way, like, you couldn't point-shape this year at Northwestern. They don't have points to shave.

On the contrary, maybe that's the problem. Maybe. Although shaving is the greatest evidence that nobody's getting paid. Yeah. Which that's just how Patty Fitzlitz-Lates it. Yeah. I think that's the thing when people say, oh, man, it's rampant. People are being paid all of this money.

Okay. Compared with college basketball, you only have this many players who can do what you're asking them to do, right? There's only so many people who are like 6-8, 6-9 and can play basketball. football and move, right? There's just way more of an opportunity to take this much money and apply it to this many players, right? Football, labor, like, in extraordinary cases, you get people who might be worth six figures, right, to a team in extraordinary cases. I don't know,

I'm just going to pull a number at random, 180 grand. Interesting. Right? Just adjusted market values around, like, I don't know, 2009. That's a good segue. Just pulling one out of the air there, right? Speaking of people who never paid. It is an ongoing investigation. They just don't let us start paying players and that competition for those walk-on spots going to get powerful. It's simply it'll be, every place will be

Nebraska, 1999. Yeah, it's a reality show. Once you do that. Oh, God, what school's going to do that? The reality show to make it. It won't be Alabama because that would involve too much media access. The answer is obviously Texas A&M.

Do you want to be an Aggie? Do you want to be on that 12-man squad? I guess they don't do that no more, but you know. Come to regular church with us, and then you've got to come to dog church. Dog church. Then you've got to come to after church. Then you've got to listen to all the Eric church.

And then- Then you come to midnight church and, well, we'll see. Then midnight church. I just want to note that we normally only pay all this reference to a school's traditions when they've won something. Yeah. Thank you. It is weird when you go.

A&M fans, you can reach Bo at Steven Godfrey at bannersociety.com. You know who doesn't really? He's taking all of our comments for Beau. You can just send them all right there. I think it's when they get to the fourth thing, right?

Like if you have one tradition, I'm like, oh, okay, cool. And you're walking around. They're like, oh, that's another one. And you go, ah, that's interesting. You have two. And then they're third. And you can go, oh, what?

rich lore right like wow such deep culture on this campus when they get to the fourth one you're like that's too much to remember this is a cult they lose me as soon as it's a large group of male college students with the ability to show up in pressed pants that's not right at a moment's notice it's not natural

no like go look at Tennessee there's a lot of really uniron khakis out there rude those are my people I'm speaking from experience I need you right I need you guys to understand something I graduated from Walla High School in Walla, Texas. Our school colors are maroon and white. A song was the Aggie War him. Like, I am very much so steeped in the ways of Aggie.

And, oh, my God, I cannot imagine, like, going there for college. Like, I don't think that people understand, given who plays football, trying to get people to go there, like, y'all think that weird stuff is cute. Not everybody responds to it the same way, right? Like, it's not like when you hear, like, Southern's band. or something like that. Not you, a particular, the general you, here's something's band and are like, oh, wow, this new cultural world, I would love to, like, indulge you it, even if just a little bit.

That ain't the response that people have to this Texas A&M stuff when they're not of it. That's not how it works. So you're saying ROTC, the university, doesn't appeal to broad swaths of young. I feel like the ROTC has to be offended. Is that, like, that ROTC is actually something. Yeah, they're like, we're actually. like putting something forward and the rest of you are like fake soldiers so when you have a high school like based off the like you know that lots and lots of high schools use like college or pro

logos when when you use a and ms do you have to have like your own dog your own you know there's only one dog i'm a little surprised in retrospect because it seems like it would be the next level of it in fact who knows an alum may be listening now and they'll try to find a way to bring a dog you probably can't do midnight yell for the high school aggies because the curfew you know so you got to do like 930 yell I had a high school teacher who he was like he was in the core and so like every year at high school graduation

he would dress up in his core suit you know like it was a big thing to him it was a really good dude though like but he did this stuff like that was his thing and he said that the the beat that you wanted or whatever you call it in the core was that you wanted the dog is you just walking around campus with a dog

and in a uniform that it was just like cash money and I'm still thinking of myself though but you got to be. be in this to do that. Like, you can get your own dog. I mean, you could just go to the shelter. You don't have to do all that other stuff. Dog ain't even got to be cute.

It's just got to be a dog. I was, the A&M coming to the SEC, like, made a lot of sense to me just because of the sort of, I guess, they seem to be like the long lost extreme. cult variation of what most fan bases in the SEC do anyway. Yes. Right? And, but the one thing that has been the unexpected

benefit of having them back is that they get the rivalry with LSU back, which I can't really explain how antithetical one place is to the other in terms of, like they're both real devoted, and they both have football teams, and they're both

pretty close to the Gulf of Mexico, relatively speaking. That's it. And they both have, they love trucks. That's, that's, everything else is off board, right? I agree. And I have my biggest reason for wanting them there is, this will rev up the Texas A&M cheating machine again. Like, if they really want to achieve where their ambitions lie,

they're going to have to crank this up a little bit, man. They're going to have to take it to where it been. There is the person, the, the team that Bud, Elliott has pointed this out. The people who lost out most with the addition of A&M were the Arkansas Razorbacks. Yes. That like Arkansas might never

be good again. Like they might never have a consistent eight to 10 win stretch without some serious restructuring because since A&M is joined, Arkansas hasn't gotten anything. Like whatever tranch they occupied in terms of recruiting or presence or resources,

A&M is completely eaten up. Let's get PAPN for a minute. Should they go triple? Should they get real weird? I mean, I think they should go the other way, right? Like, I think they should hire Kevin Kelly. I think they should just on side, no punning, just be the future of football if you're not going to be able to be good at anything else, right?

The other alternative would be going back. Yeah. And just be the crowback. Going back to the Southwest Conference? That's what I'm saying. They, Arkansas, A&M, both need to humble themselves and just come on back to the Big 12. Everybody would be in better shape if both Arkansas has a chance at success in the Big 12.

They have no chance of success in the SEC, none of whatsoever. And they make so much more sense in the Big 12. You heard it from Bo. He wants the Aggies back. I mean, he misses him. Bo wants to see the Aggies again. It's not a rivalry, but they think about it a lot. I'm content to never play them again. well why should you you're not rivals

I'm down to be rivals and this is how you do it never play them again I mean preserving that rivalry in amber the last one went the last one just went fine it was just fine yes that's the thing to let them go into perpetuity

with a home 27 to 25 lost to case record never play them again can I tell you the worst thing I've ever seen on a football field. The worst thing I've ever seen on a football field was Junior Rose Green hitting Reggie Brown in the head. That was the worst damn thing I've ever seen on a football

field. You know what the second worst thing I've ever seen was? Case McCoy scrambling. Yes. It's the only time I've ever stood up in the stands and yelled, get down. I was watching, like, I did. I was just war, like it was panicking. It was like watching a haunted doll run.

It was, it was like watching it. You know, like in The Sorcerer's Apprentice when they animate a hat rack and the hat rack, it's Like, yeah, that's exactly how Case McCoy scramble. Like, those are not human limbs. There was so much contact area. That was what terrified me because all of this was rigid. Like, only his knees moved.

And the rest of him was completely still, just a big target. Like, he ran like a very upright forest gum. It was horrible. It was just the worst thing I've ever seen. And he did it on the way to Texas A day to send Texas A&M. That's what I'm saying. They just got to get that machine back humming, right? Where are the trans AMs?

Get the trans AIMs. BAMs off the line and into these parking lots. I think there would be a Dodge rental car a lot now. Again, just pulling a random one. No program surely does this, but a rental car lot that gave parents, relatives, chargers, put them in their name, and then their kids drove them, right? No program would do that, I'm saying. No really successful program would do that.

It would be a desperate program that would only do. that with chargers, challengers, uh, you know, out of a rental car fleet in Texas. Dodge is a moderately priced vehicle. Hey, listen, Atlanta runs on the man. Do you know, like every third car here is a charger or a challenger. Hey, man, I had a challenger as a rental in LA over the weekend and that thing goes. Uh, yeah. I mean, I've driven the 808 horsepower version of that. So, so yeah, it's, yeah, I drove it to the masters. That was fun to pull up with like, you know, daddy fishing shirt and his like, you know,

master's cap getting out of his Mercedes. And I pulled up next to that and let the valet drive it. I let a 17-year-old valet drive an 808 horsepower car. I'm not very smart. No, you're terrific. You're cool dad, kind of. Cool dad. No, just negligent

dad. Negligent dad and cool dad are right next to each other. Yeah, like that's the stepdad you like too much. right like he'll buy your fireworks no kids of his own and just stumbled into this it's like yeah fucking why not i want to live at randy's house no do you want to keep a pet raccoon in the house i'm good with it let's do it in the house it's a pet yeah yeah that's how it works it's fine if you wanted to keep an alligator in the bathtub uncle randy'd be fine with that um with a and m does jimbo have like the jack the jacky shirrell like killer instinct in terms of in terms of being nasty enough

That's a good question because the thing about Jackie Sherrill, another one of these guys, that was two things at once. One, a bit ahead of the integration curve and two, a bit ahead of the cricketingness curve because just win, baby. That is why, right? I like any coach whose record looks like the CIA went through and redacted certain seasons. Yes. That's when you know they're doing good work, right? You're like, oh, man, he didn't even, it looks like they didn't even play that year, but there's an 11 and O record on the side. The band had a bull castrated out of practice.

And by the way, they won that game. Yeah. People forget that part. No, you know, like the greatest collision of coaching personalities that I can remember seeing like in my pre-professional career was watching Jackie Cheryl and Steve Spurrier coached up against each other. Because one year, Jackie Sherrill with a very Jackie Sherrillish team that passed like eight times with Wayne Madkin. And they just beat the hide off of Spurrier, right? Just, just in Starkville, it was awful.

There's cowbells. The things open, right? You can see, like, like, people are just sitting there on the grass outside the fence watching the game, right? It just, it just dying, right? Like, just forcing Steve Spurrier and the Gators to make all kinds of unforced error. Then the next year, that's when somebody threw a cowbell out of the stands and knocked out a trainer in Starkville.

the following year as revenge when they were up, I believe, by 40. Spurrier called a deep ball with the backup to score and make it 50 and pointed at the guy had been knocked out and was like, that was for you. And like, I could have watched them do that back and forth forever because they clearly, absolutely, they did not want to win, right? Spurier was convinced Cheryl was crooked, right? And was one of these like prehistoric run first.

kind of offenses and on the other side you know like i'm sure sherrell was like you pass the ball you complain about me cheating i'm going to beat you by 30 could have watched that all day can you imagine how mortified spur your was by that loss oh no no i think he's still been about it yes yeah that was where he accidentally took an intentional safety like he told uh he told grossman to take a safety and then immediately on the sidelines you saw him go ow dang like he just he got it wrong when you supposed to do that and after the game they're like so coach what was the thinking behind that call and he's like i screwed it up i just screwed that call up and like Cheryl's Cheryl's recruiting pitch polar opposite Cheryl's like hey you come here I'm going to make it worth

your while come Starfield we're going to make some things work for you going to make it happen Spurrier per everyone who's ever recruited him was a terrible recruiter he's just like hey y'all why don't you come on down and fight some football you can retire early yeah that was those people worked their whole life to get down glory face will say like His big pitch was you could be 65 right now. He was like, most people work their whole lives to come down to Florida. You can come down right now. It's like that was, the big pitch was you could be an old man.

I like it. Why don't you? And I think most people, like his pitch was, I think most recruits were like, hey, he's so bad at this, he must be really good at the other thing. So, yeah, I'll come. I kind of whisperer it was crooked. Like, imagine that was more fun it would be if he was crooked. oh no i think that was his restrictor plate otherwise he would have been like you know unstoppable he would have been the coolest coach in the history of college football instead he was like i gotta be honest otherwise i'm too powerful

how benevolent you know because like think about who he was recruiting against at the time he's recruiting against like don't do it fulmer all right right who he wrote a letter to fulmer like every other year that was like i heard something and if it's true you let me know and if it's not quit talking about about me. Bye. Send him a letter like, tell me your team. I'll tell you, Don Day's like his Spurter story. He was covering, I think it was the Fiesta, the 95 Fiesta Bowl. And this is

when Spurrier's name was in the mix for the butts. I think the time Tony Dunge, you got the job. Yeah, well, I don't know what it is, but, you know, some coaches, when these jobs come open, people just assume that, you know, you're going to be interested in those jobs. And I guess I'm one of those. and then there's his pause

and out of nowhere. Now, why is it that Phil Fulmer's name never comes in any of the sequence? Why did you do that? Why did you say that? He's not even here. I hear about everyone else's

husband cheating on him. Why don't you? Doesn't anybody want to have sex with you, Tom? Doesn't anybody why don't ever hear your name thrown out when we're talking about who's running around? yeah i don't fortunately phil fulmore no longer has any control over the tennessee football program

so i got nothing to worry about just go away man i'm gonna walk into the sea i think that's like another that's another super college football thing is this that you might think a place of small and that the amount of power granted you by occupying said position would be not worth you know fighting or scheming or plotting over you know oh contraire there are people who who hang on to the Troy job, right? Like, they had to push Larry Blatney's ass out of Troy, Alabama, because he's like, no, my kingdom. Yeah, they got a public's now.

Yeah, see? What? Sir. Yeah. Goodness. Hey, what is Troy close to? Because I don't even know. Auburn.

Yeah. Oh, got it. The greater, the greater Columbus metro area. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's like the Auburn Romora. Yeah, it's like shadow Auburn.

so yeah i i have an uncle who's from opalika no he's not my opa like opalika but he married two separate women on separate occasions from opalika and somehow never mentioned in the second that he was once married to another one for opalika and thought that he could keep that a secret how long did that last i don't even know if it made it to the altar to be honest uh because he somebody asked the woman where she's from and she said opalika is and somebody me, it was like, whoa, hi, damn, two women for Opelika. Right? Why would you think that that never came up?

Was there a directory? Right. Like, this was never going to last. At least there's a story. Now, is he from somewhere tiny where he thinks, Opalika, that's a big town. They'd probably never met. Actually, there might be something to that.

The big bustle of Opelika. Now, my, my. brother went to Auburn and nobody's perfect yeah I know it happens in the best of families and he said okay when you I went to visit him and he goes okay so when you're coming in this is the first time I'd been there he goes what you need to do is you need to go right when you come off the interstate because if you go left you're going to go out to locapocha and you don't want to do that and I was like well what am I going to see and he's like you still want to go out to loca pocha I was like okay cool so naturally I turned left instead of turning right

and I went out to Locopocia. You big dummy. And when I went out to Locopocia, he said, I saw, like, a house with, like, a couple of houses with no doors on them, not doors open, no doors. And people riding ATVs in their front yard where there weren't ATVs, but like there were ramps, right? Like doing stunts on ATVs in their front yard. And I was like, yeah, that's not real. And I drove back into Auburn, and I was like, I saw houses with no doors on them. And people riding ATVs, like, over.

deflated kitty pools in their front yard. And he goes, no, no, no, that's right. I know those people. It was like, that's Auburn still. I didn't talk there. And like, how'd that go? Well, it was 2012, the year they went winless in the SEC. Mm-hmm.

And I tried to make a small joke about the football program. Not even a little, guys. They don't have a sense of humor about those things. They are the University of Bigfeel. feelings well that was yeah they were they were they could not find the humor in that season not even a little bit i don't know if i would find the humor in going uh completely like going winless two seasons time i recommend it two seasons after very freeing two full seasons after getting a national title oh yeah that'd be different yeah that's a little different like it's different to be skitt

along the ground right like like we're bad we're bad we're real bad like that can happen And some programs can hit that faster, like UCF, like UCF went from like 0 and 11 to undefeated in like three years, right? Now, at Auburn, that really, that can happen in the SEC, right? Like, Auburn is the weirdest. I mean, I just wrote about that, but like, Auburn is the weirdest program for variance and for expecting anything consistent out of them.

Yeah, I read the, I greatly enjoyed the piece on Auburn, burning everything down for themselves and others. Oh, yeah. What a strange existence to have. Yeah, the program that falls asleep with a cigarette on the couch every year. Thank you, Joe. And they love to cheat. The thing that I resent about Auburn that they're coming out of, but the thing that I will always carry against them from the cam thing, it's not that they didn't get caught.

It's that they were, oh, we would never. Like I'm going to venture out on a really sturdy looking limb here and I'm going to say that if the Cam Newton thing had gone down at Bama, Bama would have gloried in it and we would have had a lot more fun as a result. Auburn people insisting that Cam wanted to come to Auburn just because it was Auburn is why I don't like Auburn people. See, I don't know because like Cam would have been, Cam would have had an entirely different coaching thing, right? Just let me make this about the money. Okay, we can make that about the money. Like Bama fans would have trumpeted this, right? Yeah.

I guess some of us are working harder to recruit than others. Yeah. And Auburn's like, well, you know, it's just that this is a real family. And I'm like, yeah, I ask my family for money too. It's a matter of it. Y'all aren't having enough fun with this. I insist to this day that Auburn did not have enough fun with this. I do have to say, though, I had a great Cam Newton source during that time.

And he really did like Auburn. I think that, like, he himself. chose Auburn and then Auburn had to handle step number two like him liking it was the necessary condition but the sufficient woman that's a little different okay now how much did Cecil like it how much how much did Cecil like it wow we broke up all me that's thanks no can you yeah how much right right when y'all are asking about it sounded like redacted like redacted amounts that's when the audio skips out interesting and the full cat's just going nuts down that did it's amazing how we brought up Cecil Newton's name and our audio started failing.

Don't mess with Cecil. He'll get you out of that Howard job, too. Auburn fans, let me love you. Have more fun with your cheating. That's all I'm saying. I agree there. The entire, like, Bama LSU dynamic switched after LSU and Jason's son, Joe Burrow, beat them. in Tuscaloosa, which is my favorite thing, because, God, I love to see that place, like,

more quiet, love to see that place sad. You just get so many excellent crowd shots of, like, defeated-looking people who looked like they were in a Walker Evans photo spread, right? Wow. Yeah. That's a deep pull. It's a deep pull, but I'm going to praise famous men. By that, I mean, Ed Ogeron.

Because I've been thinking about this all week and trying to figure it out, but, like, is Ed Ogeron the funniest coach to beat Nick Saban? Like, is that the fun? Is that the fun? Because, I mean, Hugh Free's doing it twice is still the funniest. Hold on. Les Miles pulled off a back-to-back with Jordan Jefferson. I mean, I don't know.

I'm going to go Hugh Freeze with Chad Kelly and Bo Wallace. Yeah. That's funnier in a different way. I just want to imagine were there there's postgame handshakes between Saban and the opposing

quarterbacks that sometimes happen on the on field like imagine Sabin shaking Chad Kelly's hand and Chad Kelly like pulls him in for a hug and then just makes a fart noise in the ear it's like actually I hate this I hate everything I hate everything the other one that's the other one is I mean Spurier beating Saban isn't as funny

but like the quarterback he did it with with Stephen Garcia. That's my favorite one forever for that reason. Sabin got beat by a guy who buys swords at the mall. Well, I mean, it's a different coach, but let us never forget that crazy 2010 LSU win over Florida that had Urban Meyer just unable to even answer questions about less mild strategy in the post guy.

Back down with the day you end. When Meyer, Meyer after losses really would just get paralytic, right? Like he could not, he just lost, he just shut down. He could not speak. He could not articulate anything. No, it gave him like an electrical seizure, right? Yeah, yeah. He sounded like somebody whose audio was cutting out, right? Like in his brain. And then when he had to face less miles, somebody who I'm sure was sleeping approximately 30 hours more than him a week, every single week, probably, you know, like probably taking an afternoon off to just go hang out with the kids, you know, and then rolls in and it's like, yeah, I figured we'd call a couple

of fake field goals and run like off tackle. Wow. God. That's all we needed. Let's also recall 2007 Nick Saban lost to Sylvester Kroom, Tommy Tuberville, and Charlie Weatherby, who currently works for a church in Orlando.

Oh, is that the coach? That was. Louisiana Monroe? Yeah, yeah. Coach of the Warhawks. They put up a billboard for that game. They did. Which, yeah, I love that, like, beat Bama, and then I'm out. That's it. Lawrence Collin. I've done my work here.

And didn't he lose the UAB when he was at LSU? Correct. He did. I believe he lost to the immortal Daryl Hackney. My favorite quarterback because he... Yeah, no, Darryl Hackney was like about... I think he was like 510 height-wise and he was about 5-8 width-wise. Like, he looked like a space invader.

Like he was just all blocks and pixels. He was huge. But, yeah, he lost the UAB when he was in LSU. And remember, I believe, let's see, was the, did they lose, they lost to Iowa, did they not? In Nick Saban's last game at LSU? Yes, they did. Yeah. Shame of shame.

Yeah, that wasn't even Drew Breeze, Iowa. That was Drew Tate. That was, was that Drew Tate? Was it the Brad Banks guy? I don't think it was Brad Banks. I think that was a Drew Tate Hail Mary. Oh, yeah, I forgot about Drew Tate. Because that was the symmetry is that they had hail married Kentucky, right?

Then the bluegrass miracle. And then they got the same thing done to them in the game, which is 10 times funnier because, I don't know, like, Nick Sabin, Nick Saban winning by a Hail Mary, he's just mad about it, right? He's just infuriated that it came down to that. He's infuriated that he had to sweat for it. Yeah. He's infuriated that, like, something unplanned. Entitled millennial Nick Saban. Right.

He's like, ah, something random and good happened. That's the worst thing that could happen to me as a coach. And then something random and bad happened to him. And he's like, well, look at that. Could have prevented that. We should also recall Nick Saban is currently on an 0-and-3 streak against Purdue. Due to his time at Michigan State. I think he's scared to get that one right.

And keep in mind, That would only be freshman and sophomore, Drew Brees. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah, that wasn't, that wasn't, well, we had a junior. Looks like we had a junior in there, but still, yeah. That's why Bama's ducking for. Oh, yeah, you're right.

Jason, what did you say about Nebraska? Even Neil, even the Moon only let Purdue only walk over at the one time. Why does this keep happening? Well, I just revert to spur your voice every time I'm taunting. Yeah, that's, the, um, the, um, The other one that, I know it's happened twice now and we're kind of used to it, but if I told you in 2011 that Dabo Swinney was going to beat Nick Sabin twice in high-stake situations. Not a fucking clue.

Yeah, you'd have had me committed. Most improbable shit in the world. This Ogeron shit is pretty crazy in and of itself. But people forget, early Dabo looked like a disaster. I mean, early Dabo put, like, let West Virginia put up 70 in a bowl game. I was there. It was beautiful. That was a great game.

I mean, Davo took like... They've been posted off that shit for like nine years. I mean, so have I emotionally. I mean, Davo, if you'll remember, like, Davo takes so long to get over the hump. Like, Taj Boyd lines up, what was this, 2014? I believe, 2013. They line up at FSU, and it's supposed to be an actual game.

And Florida State's up, like, I think 31, nothing at the half or 31.7. And they end up with... winning, yeah, they end up winning. And this is in Clemson, right? Like, oh, yeah, man, Taj Boy, they're going to handle. They got this, right? It's going to be good. And James Winston just comes out and shreds them.

It was a destruction. Yeah. Also, by the way, I'm pretty sure Clemson loses that the next year, right? I think it's like a much tighter game, but they lose that the next year, like 2420 or something. Like they don't remember the next year was when James was suspended for, you know, acting a fool in the cafeteria and so I think the quarterback was like

Sean McGuire or something and they still be clubs yeah still beat a good Clemson team like a really good Clemson team a team that like they probably really should have walked walked through that game

easy against Florida State and by the way that tells you just how mad they were at James at that point that they sat him for that game this is by the way of course A&M fans if you're listening to this, this isn't how it's going to go at A&M.

No. No, this is different. This is different. Also, he's got your money no matter what. Hey, man, it ain't like if the price of crude is right, then they're not worried about the money. But if something happens to that I price of crew, boy, it's going to get tight on Jim Bubba. This is how A&M ends up playing a game in, like, Doha. They end up playing a game in Dubai.

That's a Qatari Bowl. The Guitar Bowl? I don't know, the Katari Bowl, like Texas A&M is definitely one of those teams, right? They're going to end up playing on an indoor ski resort. Yeah, traditional A&M football in an indoor ski resort in Dubai. A&M versus SMU and Jetta. Okay. I'm listening.

Sunny Dykes and like the robes. Oh, yeah. Feeling this.