Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 3.16

Episode Date: August 19, 2015

Tomahawk Nation editor and SB Nation Recruiting Director Bud Elliott joins Jason and Ryan to preview the ACC. Topics include: - How Miami can win the conference (no really) - One nice thing said about every ACC team - A consideration of which invasive species will devastate the State of Florida one day - Next to ZERO discussion of Florida State Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Here they come. Okay, okay. Good. And, and Jason, we have a, oh, man, we have the ACC's most dangerous man, I think. We have ACC commissioner, Bud Elliott. Bud, how are you today? I'm doing all right. I am indoors because it's really hot down here in Florida.

But let's just start out talking about Florida. Like, what do you think are your tips to Florida summer living? I think the main key for Florida summer living is that you have to sort of dedicate what part of your day is going to be for outside time so that you can just work up the good sweat because really five minutes outside or five hours outside, you're going to get about equally sweaty. So you need to plan like, go get the newspaper, go bring in the trash can, if you still read the newspaper, go go get the trash cans, go do whatever outside type activities you're going to do for one block. like don't mix it up don't be like a little bit inside a little bit outside and come back in because then you get like the cold sweat thing going on and then you're back outside and you're sweating again you know what i'm saying it's just have a dedicated out time or outdoors window that you want to spend it's sort of like spacewalking where you're like okay we can't just spacewalk whenever we have to plant it out we only have so much oxygen if we stay out too long we'll die that's pretty much exactly what being in florida in the summer that last part literally yeah it's also kind of like when you're the shitty 17 year old who like someone tells you you should clean your room and you're like well i'll just make another mess later and then clean it all up at once that's true this bed will forever this is i'm fighting a losing battle with this bed i'm just going to drop casso on top of the mess and then

i'll clean up both of them at the same time that's efficiency mom that's a next level stat also don't don't uh don't make your outside time between like two 30 and five because it's going to be raining in the summer down here that's true you're going to get flash flash flooded basically um what what okay let's just ask the question everybody wants to know how many showers are we talking about a day in the summer i i think you got to you're on at least two if you do any sort of working out or working outside you're you're you're going to be on on a two shower day deal which hey we're not california so we can afford to do that because we have water down here wow wow shit shit bud just going straight for that water jugular um what time are we talking

morning shower and then shower after the outside time? I think so. I mean, it depends obviously if, like, you work from home and just hang out in shorts most the day and maybe a shirt or if you actually, like, go into an office, then your mileage may vary. How many times are you willing to admit that you've just hopped in a pool and called that a shower? Oh, a lot.

Assuming that your pool looks good and is not, you know, filled up with like rainwater and all the other crap that washes into it. Yeah, we're not talking about just jumping into a trash can that happens to be full of water. No, no, of course. It's something that's got it. Unless you're a mosquito. If you are a mosquito, again, thank you for listening to Shutdown Fullcast. We track really well with mosquitoes for some reason.

SoundCloud, advanced analytics. Eat our blood, but. I think it's that they appreciate the bug ambient noise that you bring to the podcast, Jason. So it's just, you know, most podcasts don't have that for them. I'm inclusive. You are inclusive to all. species especially insects most podcasts are problematic for that reason i would say all of them uh this is i guess i guess we'll preview the acc i mean it's there it is there um do we care

about the acc though this but all right but give me a reason why i should give a shit about the acc this year you know i'm actually trying to work on one because uh in the last couple is running Tom Locke Nation, I found that most of our readers don't really click on stuff about ACC opponents anymore. They're just kind of like snobbish about it. But now I'm trying to work them back into that mold like, hey, Forrest take to lose a couple games here, ACC games. Let's start reading about this kind of stuff again because we need, we need clicks from somewhere because James has gone. And so we are very much more focused on the opponents this year in the ACC. And it's a league that I think the middle tier has improved a little

bit, even though the top might be sort of down, because Clemson lost basically his entire defense, and Fort State lost, like, a ton of good players. And Georgia Tech, do we care, like, do they deserve to, does Georgia Tech deserve to get top-tier consideration, or are they, like, in some sort of one-and-a-half stance at this point? I think they do, just, their schedule is brutal. They really did not pick a good year to pair, like, returning quarterback, a lot of returning players, a defense that might actually

improve with a winnable schedule. This is a really tough year for them. They get Georgia. They get Ford State and Clemson from the Atlantic Division, which, hey, points right there for getting the divisions right. We should still go to East and West. I hate coastal.

And that part is like the ACC, I think a lot of people are sort of thinking of them as like the odd conference out this year with four playoff spots, you know, because like Boise State is also in the running. There are four spots from four power conferences. But the ACC, you look at what should probably most of the time be the top four teams,

Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, they all play each other, like, across divisions. Like, there's no balance. There's no safety somewhere. Does that leave room for a Virginia Tech or Louisville to jump up? I think it easily could leave room for a Virginia Tech Louisville-AC championship game, which would maybe not be the best for ticket sales. Because Louisville doesn't play anybody major from the coastal, and Votech dodges, I think they dodge what,

Clemson, FSU, and Louisville from the Atlantic. That's a pretty good draw for both them. Yeah, but they got to play Virginia every year. But I want to back up to something you said, where you are saying that the ACC, the middle of the conference, is better. What I don't understand is, is there a bottom of the ACC? It feels like there are three or four good teams, and then everybody else wins six to eight games.

I think if you go by their scheduling practices, there's definitely a bottom. I mean, you have Syracuse who apparently thinks the ACC's TV deal is so poor that it needs to schedule a guarantee game where it pretends to be the FCS school and it plays LSU. And then Virginia is scheduling UCLA and kind of on and on. I remember Wake Forest played Stanford a couple years back. The bottom, though, quality-wise, all jokes aside,

Syracuse is probably going to be pretty bad. Wake Forest last year, I still have the chat saved with Bill Connolly. When I was like, are you watching this Wake Forest? Who are they playing Louisiana Monroe? I mean, you could have named literally any team, and I would have said, sure, Wake Forest played that team. The first game of the year. And they had like negative 12 rushing guard or something to the first four plays.

I was like, well, this is going to be interesting. That was probably the worst major conference offensive line I've ever seen. Virginia has sort of questionable in-game management, I feel like, with Mike London, although I do play pretty good defense. And the rest of the Coastal is just not great. It's just not terrible. Okay. I guess I'm fine with that. Now I'm going to ask you to do something real uncomfortable.

I want you to give me the case for Miami winning the whole damn ACC this year. Sure. Okay, they have a quarterback that I think we all feel pretty good about. Some of us feel really good about. You know, he had a nice, Brad Kaya had a nice freshman season, could build upon that. The defense that Miami fans love to bitch about under Mark Donofrio actually got better and was probably better than their offense last year and returns a lot of pieces not named Denzel Perriman, who's now off to the league.

And so they could take another step forward. There's some talent defense. We're Miami's not recruited poorly. They've not recruited like an Alabama or Ohio State, but they've got some talent on that team. Stacey Coley, the receiver who in 2013, was really, really good as a freshman, a five-star, they beat out FSU and then several other major teams for. He was terrible last year. But if he comes back, maybe he steps up and takes the place of Philip Dorset. And then maybe this is the one that I probably have the hardest time believing.

Maybe that offensive line really comes together and opens up. pick-time holes for whoever Duke Johnson's replacement is. Okay. How many games does Miami have to win to win, let's just say, their division? Ooh. I think, well, they draw Cincinnati and Nebraska in the non-conference. So I think if we're just talking about conference games, I think six and two probably gets it done as long as one of the six is over Georgia Tech or over Jane Tech. Five and three is probably some really awkward tiebreaker scenario where you go to your division record.

You know, if they were to lose, let's say, Clemson and Fork State, but they go five and one in division, that probably gets it done. Right. Okay. Man, I hope Miami fans are listening out there, but is not the hateful, angry monster that you think he is. He is willing to concede that there is a future where ACC rises up. and claims the ACC title that they so richly deserve this now bud can you picture like Miami wins the orange bowl and like an ACC chant breaks out like not among Miami fans I think it's ooh uh no no I don't think so not even ironically well the question is would

you even have enough Miami fans plus other fans there for the mics to pick it out you know in the stadium, which might be trouble. I'm also not convinced that Al Golden is really on this super hot seat that people think he is. Miami's not exactly a program, but just is throwing money out left and right, and he's signed through 2019 after they re-uped his deal because they didn't really tell him about the sanction stuff back in the day. So you're going to buy out four more seasons of this, dude? We'll see.

I'm not totally convinced that he's on the hot seat this year that people think he is. There is something delightfully South Florida being like, no, we're going to stay loyal to you because you, didn't snitch when you didn't leave when you could have you served your time there's a housing market analogy there too as far as like yeah we're not ready to get rid of this yet right we're still underwater on this coach and there's also like you know not to pick on the miami fan thing but like how much more support can they possibly withdraw in order to make their voice heard i'm 100% calling them adjustable rake golden they could they could like unfollow al gold on twitter

but like the attendance is already what it is Yeah, and it's... With legit reasons. Stadium's far away. A lot of things to do is out. It's hot at noon in September. We know, we know. It probably doesn't help the athletic department to know that the best idea most fans have is just bring back Butch.

Just go get Butch. Like... That would work, though, right? Sure. Yeah. I mean, for like five years. Oh, let's play this game. All right.

Bud, I tell you, Butch Davis is coaching in the ACC next year. What school is he at? As a head coach. See, I would say Virginia, but the whole academics portion that didn't go so well in North Carolina. Syracuse is coming open, probably. Wow. So Bush Davis, Syracuse? Oh, man.

The man looks good in his sweater. Although, he's kind of like retirement age, and people typically move from, you know, Syracuse to Florida, not from Florida to Syracuse. To warmer climes. It's preparing for that global warming. What about Louisville? bet that job's coming open. Hashtag Falcons. I mean, he'll probably end up at Bama.

He deserves it. Kirby Smart will just be spitting mad when that happens. Kirby's one of the Lane Kiff in Miami. Yeah, Lane Kept for Miami. We've established on several platforms now that that is the ideal destination for all teams, a situation in which he leads Miami to three consecutive national titles. It's beautiful. uh well shit let's do some reader questions jason you got one yeah yeah yeah let me let me punch up one or two

uh first of all and this is a good thing we have you two gentlemen on here your expertise will really come in handy from billy and the and the valley shook our lsu site at tvs underscore chef billy which invasive species in florida represents the greatest threat to college football and i think first of all if you think sort of like overall it's something like Oh, it's, you know, bugs with diseases or it's gators or whatever. But I feel like we can drill down and come up with at least a specific species for the three Power Conference schools. Okay. Bud has the most wildlife knowledge.

I mean, break it on down, bud. Yeah. We have a lot of unique wildlife in the state. Heck, we had a fish that the Goliath grouper that was like really commonly referred to as the Jew fish up until like a decade ago. Like, that's not, that's not, yeah. Invasive species, meaning not native to Florida, I assume. Well, I mean, like gators are pretty native. Right.

Well, I would take invasive to mean invasive invading the sport of college football. Right. Because as it is, there aren't any animals other than trained to mascots and certain head coaches. Gotcha. I'll throw love bugs up there because university created. Which university? I don't want to talk. about this, but it's not Florida's fault that they tried to eliminate our mosquito population

and instead just gave us bugs whose only purpose is to chip away at the paint on your car. It is emblematic of Florida's choices, and that's fine. But love bugs, because of their acidic properties, I could see them sort of developing, you know, going beyond like, oh yeah, we smash into your car and it's bad for your paint and figuring out how to kamikaze estate, stadium, maybe Miami's new, maybe, you know, Miami's new digs, and be like, oh, there was a stadium here yesterday, but the love bugs attacked it. Now it's dissolved into nothing. These are, I'm not familiar with these. These are university create, are these like, like, is this like chemical warfare bugs? Love bugs are, like, this is the one thing that I'm shocked

people don't know more about a love, I mean, but help me out here. How would you describe a love bug? These are nanobots. They're not nanobots. They're not nearly that. impressive. Okay, so lovebugs are small, little, do they have them all over the United States? This is not just a Florida thing I saw. According to Wikipedia, they are most common in Texas, Florida, Alabama, and Louisiana.

Okay, so love bugs were created, they thought they were going to eat the mosquito larva? Is that correct? Or something like that? I think that was the plan, yeah. Okay. By someone associated with Florida or somehow, and they are bugs that literally,

fly around loving each other back to back. If you Google this, there's lots of photos and they're work safe. They're connected at the butt. Yeah.

And they fly around and they are, their mobility is lacking, right? They are true pocket passers and as they're flying in tandem, they are unable to dodge your car in mass.

And so if you're going on a trip across Florida and you value your car at all, And even if you drive like a 2000-tort of Camry, just, you know, like you need to stop at a car wash pretty much immediately because otherwise the front end of your car is just going to fall off because their guts and stuff inside, splatter on it, and they immediately start eating up your paint. There's really no redeeming value, I would say. I mean, I'm going to hold the Wikipedia page to say there's anything good about them. So I'm still unclear on one thing. The University of Florida.

That is the story. I have no idea. They were bread. My understanding. Pomeranians? My understanding of the story was that UF created these at some point in time with the idea that they would mate with mosquitoes, but they would not bear any offspring and therefore reduce the mosquito population drastically. That is not how it worked out. So y'all made flying mosquito dildos? I wouldn't call them dildos so much as inflatable sex dolls. Yeah. Okay. Except the sex doll is filled with acid. The more I say this, the more it sounds like a very very Florida thing. Is Florida a real school? Uh, sure.

Is this like a... It's not a bad sign. It's in a way. It has like a number of ag components. It's not like a true ag school necessarily, but it's got some it's got some ag shit. Oh, Ryan. Did you know they can be controlled with parasitic fungi and

dry weather, which the latter we don't have... Yeah, we don't have that. Parasitic fungi. And that's why the gators never leave a steak. That's, I mean, God damn it. So, all right, that's my invasive species that I'm going with. Love Bugs and their acid-filled sex bodies. Never go to Florida.

Now, would they attack Miami or would they attack Florida State? Because Seminoles drive cars now. They're progressive and, like, that's, they really could annoy them as well. But Miami, everybody has nice cars in Miami for the most part, so that makes sense with the hurricanes. Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I think also, once they find out they can attack boats and jet skis and all kinds of things, they'll really just cut. Love Bug International. They'll cut Miami off from.

from pretty much everything, the whole outside world. I like that. I'm going to go with the Burmese Python slash all the other varieties of pets that people have released into the Everglades because they actually eat alligators. That's true. And they are truly invasive because they're not native to Florida. People just brought them over from Burma.

And now they're in the Everglades, and they're huge. There's no natural predator for them except for cars when they're like stretching across Alligator Alley, which is a terrible road to drive on. And there's just a lot of nothingness and no cell phone signal and nothing else. But they do eat alligators, so they get up to like 18 feet long. And we were actually considering going and hunting them one time for a story. And I'm glad we didn't because the success rate of that, like, the Ford actually has open season.

You can go hunt Burmese pythons like once a year down in the Everglades. And the success rate is like 2%. Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of thing that you don't really need. I feel like a season is irrelevant there because it's just like, hey, you want to try, good luck. Yeah, it should be... That's not with that. Yeah, totally.

This is, Florida's proof that we cannot clone dinosaurs because if we did, some rich cocaine addled South Floridian would have cloned one, would have had it outgrow its habitat, and would have just dumped it in the Everglades. Because that's how all, that is the essence of evolution

in Florida. You get something that you can't handle and you dump it in the Everglades and hope that it doesn't mutate. Only national predator for an Indomidus Rex is a RPG. There were like two or three movies about this, by the way. What about Florida dinosaurs?

Well, just dinosaurs in general and maybe you don't want to clone. Oh, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. The body of literature is clear. Yeah, the documentary Liberty City Park. It all stands up. Uh, next question, bud, this question.

Oh, we forgot about the lionfish, which, uh, is that going to take down FSU? Uh, it probably could and it could take down like a lot of the seafood industry because it's also doesn't have a lot of natural predators and, uh, like restaurants are trying to get people to eat lines. Is James going to steal one? Oh my God. No, I don't know if they're poisonous or not, but, like, they look really, really weird, and they're trying to get people to eat these things down here because they're also not native to Florida, and they wipe out a lot of the ecosystem. Man, Florida's just constantly on the brink of flooding, of being taken over by species that are useless.

It's a wonderful state. You should move there. But this question comes to... This question comes to... This question comes from Michael Underwood. People in Florida don't pay taxes anyway, bud. At Hamicane on Twitter. Which ACC team is most likely to hand out participation trophies this year?

Oh, well, certainly one of those teams that, pit. I think it's definitely pit. They haven't won anything forever. They are from the north, which is probably more likely to be down with participation trophies as opposed to in the south. like if you're watching the Little League World Series, you know what team is probably going to make the final, right? Either Southern California or the team in like the southeast or Southwest Division,

not like the Rhode Island or the team where ESPN is advertised. You guys have watched ESPN recently. They have the commercial like where the coach from the Northeast is telling the kids like how proud he is of them. And I'm thinking like did this speech come after they lost like my 20 runs and two innings? The Paul Rhodes of Little League is what you're talking. Yeah, exactly. And I'm like, okay. So this is the participation trophies have guys.

to come from one of those newly out of ACC teams that's not really wanted things. So that probably fits Pitt the best. I think Boston College is a candidate, not for participation trophies, but I could see Adazio getting so, like, so enthralled by his team that he gives them tattoos without their consent, just so as they're sleeping, he tattoos each one of them. He's like, now you'll forever be known as one of the 2015 dudes. You've been marked. You've been marked for death.

I will want you on an island. Pat Narduzzi should get one if he stays at Pitt for more than a year. I mean, they've had so many head coaches. That's true. Participation is literally an issue at Pitt. They can't get you. Yeah. You should get a trophy if you stay at Pitt for three years.

I mean, or you should be disappointed in yourself. But one or the other, definitely. Jason, throw out another question. Let's see. Let me dig into the, dig into the, pile here. Boop, boop. Again, this segment brought to you by the single guy from NBC.

You can watch a single guy, probably at a Blockbuster video if any still exist. You know, I just, I was the other day, I was listening to Bob Costas called the Olympics, and there's no better voice in sports. You know what I like about the Olympics? Is that they're tape delayed? Watching them on television. I don't have to be stressed about them in the moment. I know what happened.

It's sort of like reading a beloved Shakespearean novel. or play, rather. I trust NBC to deliver content when I need it. Not when I want it. And when I don't. Because my TV is always on, NBC. Another question for Bud from Sam Moroy on Twitter. Which thrifty bulk purchase is Bud most proud of?

Oh, man. For those who don't know, Bud is very good at shopping. But, Bud, do you want to explain this? All right, so it got out that I was in Costco. we have an espion weekly call right at three and uh nobody wants to go to Costco on a like a Saturday right because then like all the people are in there with her kids and uh and down here it's pretty much dead especially in summer um so i uh grab my phone and and uh my hot spot and so well I can listen to this conference call while in Costco and uh and so I think it got out that I was

I was doing that and avocados are a good purchase like you can get a bag of like six or seven there and you may not use all of them but you're probably going to use most of them because who doesn't like guacamole and my fiance makes good guacamole which is solid. I know Dan would certainly approve if he's

listening. That's a pretty solid purchase to make there I think because I mean you're going to use but I think what that's not disclosing is that when we talk about your bulk purchases bud we're talking about buying six avocados. We're talking about somebody hearing through the grapevine

like, oh, Bud bought like eight recliners because there was a special. Bud bought a palette of blank. But Bud just got a truckloaded tick tax for $500. He's never have to buy tick tax again. And you know, Bud, you don't have to worry about, you know, a lot of people jumping on your secret here. You've seen the listener numbers for this I actually have not seen listener numbers. No one has. You'll judge them. It's fine.

Oh, okay. Well, I will say this. Maltch. It is much, much cheaper to have, like, have the truck in it, and they will just dump it in your driveway. But if you're willing to work at it, right. Buying in bulk mulch is a good one to do because otherwise you're going to have to buy like 30 or 40 bags if you're trying to mulch. And it's better to just park your car, you know, in the street for a day or two. mulch your thing and have

have the truck just come up and just dump it there per pound you're probably saving quite a bit on that mulch and avocados I just like the fact that you picked avocados one of the most water intensive crops

you're just really taking it to California I really I don't know what that's about grass that has been uprooted so you have to water it more right alright this question this is more of an excuse to

transition, but this question comes from our friends MgoBlog at MGoBlog on Twitter. Their question, where should the Rubio kid transfer? This is, of course, in reference to Marco Rubio, one of Florida's fine political representatives, at I believe it's the Iowa State Fair for politics, something or other, and throwing a pass, hitting a kid square in a face. but you have seen the tape of this throw and failed catch, have you not? I have, and I'm glad that Brian asked this question because I believe that Michigan picked up a transfer from Iowa

who was actually from Florida and Jake Ruddock. Jake Ruddick, that's correct, yeah. And he played the Aquinas, which totally does not cheat and recruit their players at all, totally organically homegrown. And so if Ruddock goes to Iowa, it doesn't really succeed, and now he's going to go probably ball out somewhat with Jim Harbaugh in Michigan, even though I don't really know if they have any playmakers up there. I think you've got to transfer somewhere where the kid can handle.

We're talking about Ruby a transfer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This kid, I think this kid clearly doesn't have what it takes to play. You know, Power 5 football. He can go play for Northern Iowa or something and probably beat Iowa in the end. But based on this tape, no, this kid doesn't. doesn't have what it takes. You know, Ruby, I think when you look at this,

clearly not afraid to throw the ball over the middle. He's used to throwing to small receivers, and it'd be good if they catch the ball. So Washington State could be a spot for them. I know they grabbed Peyton Bender out of South Florida a couple of years ago. Maybe he'll be in line to start there at some point up in Pullman. Clearly, it's not working out at Washington or at Iowa. And the kid, man, that's, I don't want to make it like a, you know,

mean comments about like a five-year-old or how old do we think this kid is i'm going to estimate seven or eight okay i mean kirk is probably the expert here because he's the only one of us that actually has a kid um jason would you concur on that on uh on which part on the age of this child it is like clearly editing a story right now too uh well the only issue is i have not seen this video oh my god jason we spent all this time in pre-prep planning the most elaborately produced college football podcast makes the solid verbal look like shit and you don't even watch the

all right just trust me that he's seven or eight okay okay I'll keep going I'll take a look so yeah so if you haven't seen this video the kid's running the drag route Rubio puts a ball on him that kid that kid's not quite seven I don't think okay fine I think he's a little younger yeah

but the coordination there with the hands and the catching of the ball just wasn't there and so the kid kid wears it off the face he kind of threw it a little high I mean he I think he was hanging him out to get laid out by that linebacker yeah that's true

I uh huh not a very not a very presidential throw for a kid well it's also I mean you know if he can't if he can't put that pass where it needs to be like right where it needs to be how's he going to throw the deep out how's he going to throw that back shoulder how's he going to throw America where it needs to be

how's he going to throw America up the scene how is he going to even see that route. That's why Shutdown Fullcast cannot endorse Marco Rubio for Washington State quarterback. I think that's what this election is about. Yeah, he's wearing red. That makes sense.

All right, we got one more question before we force Bud to say nice things about all the ACC teams. No, let's get right to that. Spoiler. All right, Bud, we're going to do this super rapid fire. I'm going to pull up a list of every ACC team because hell if I can remember them. and I'm going to just give you one randomly and you're going to say the first nice thing

that comes to mine, can you do that? Yes, as long as I'll have to actually name a player on each team. No, no, no, you certainly don't have to do that. Okay, because I probably have three or four teams, right? All right. You ready? Yeah. Okay, North Carolina. Great academics.

Okay. But this has already gone terribly. Wake Forest. effort duke overachieving nc state you can leave at half time go get drinks and then come back in it's genius

georgia tech cool city pit tradition clemson Auburn with the lake Boston college you can't tailgate

so red socks Louisville. They've managed to keep Bobby Petrino now for two years. Syracuse. Intensity. Virginia. I already used tradition. What is Virginia's tradition?

I don't know. I've already used that. You're not... You're not writing a media guide, but... A former number one Virginia here. The Barber Twins. Virginia Tech. Lunch pale.

Miami. A lot of things are doing that city. Okay. I think that, did we hit everybody? I don't remember if I said Wake Forest, but I won't make you do that. Yeah, they got effort. Effort. Oh, yeah.

Wake Forest got effort. Oh, boy. Bud. Thank you so much for joining us. And I'd like to point out, we didn't talk about the Noles. hardly at all. So take that, all you internet haters and commenters and

FSU Twitter, I'm sorry that we hung you out to dry here. You probably were expecting a lot more Hot Nol's takes, but I don't think anyone has any opinions in Florida State. Not at this point. I think they're a nice team. Probably going to go eight and four, do some great things. They're building something there.

I don't know what it's going to be, but something. And FSU fans keep themselves so well, too. Like, if you notice the comment section on espionation.com, we are totally not running scheme where we try to just like, you know, take Tom Hocs traffic and double it up on infamination.com. That is not happening at a long. I bet if we ran the numbers, we'd see like, like maybe a quarter as many FSU fan comments

on dot com, which is fine. Everyone's welcome, but it's just interesting the, uh, everyone's sort of calmed down a little bit. No, I think, things blew over. I think Ohio State fans are ready to take that, the point where we can like post like, hey look at this crazy thing that happened in a Russian hockey league and the Ohio State fans will just pile in the comments there and be like, why are we not talking about the Buckeyes?

They got three quarterbacks better than everybody in Russia. Yeah, it's like, you know, here's something in Canada. Canada's by Wisconsin, 590. Essentially, God, love you, Buckeyes.