Shutdown Fullcast 3.17.0
00:00Welcome.God damn it.That was awesome.That stays in the show.Welcome to the shutdown forecast.No, it's my welcome.Oh, my God.No, tie goes to Jason.
00:15Yeah, no, I'm going to give it to Jason this week.Jason, you go right ahead.There's that alphabet.Welcome to the shutdown forecast.I'm Spencer Hall, editorial director at SB Nation.And I'm Jason Kirk, college football editor.at SB Nation.Actually.
00:33Joining us in the frozen hinterlands of Brooklyn, New York,or some other part in New York.I'm Mike Prada, NBA editor at SB Nation.In Queens, New York, where there is a car lot of all things in New York City,the last thing you'd expect to see, there's a car lot.What's up, Queens?Yeah, go Mets.50 cents from there.
00:54Go 50.It's Ryan Annie.Ryan, how are you, web,the conditions up there?It's not great, because Spencer, I think, tweeted this morning that down in Atlanta,he said something to the effect of, I'm outside, and it feels super nice, and I don't knowwhat to do about it.And for some reason...
01:16It was the weather today?It's the best fucking weather possible.It's like the weather where you're like, is there a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or something?It's just so much wind.Actually, Jason, you're correct.There is actually a tropical depression in hurricane.We have this effect in Georgia.We have this effect in Georgia where you can tell the weather in Mexico.
01:32And when it's really good, that means it's really bad in Mexico.Yeah, so for some reason, I just assume that because the weather was really good in Atlanta,it was probably going to be good in New York as well.And it was pretty close.It was hot as shit today.So whenever...It's almost like I should have done my own research and not relied on Spencer's tweets for the weather.Not relied on a single deranged tweeter for my weather forecast.
01:55From like 900 miles away.like Mexico and New York have the same weather.But I think why I, yes, that's correct.And I think why I listen to Spencer is that I suspect Spencer is like me and that he justruns super warm all the time.All the damn time.Just like a like a refrigerator that's totally broken.Spencer just chalked up the virtue of keeping, of like having the shoulder towel and
02:23dabbing.Maybe you should try that.Wow.Is that really a thing you're doing now?Dude, no, I'll do that on hot.days you gotta do that no we got dudes in high school who did that no when you get oh listen when youget over 200 pounds and you live south of a certain point yeah you're gonna go ahead and and carry ashoulder towel you're just gonna do it because that's all dudes doing around atlanta and i thought
02:44oh that's a bit much nope now it's your life now it's standard god well geez no you should totallydo that it's a lifesaver is it like a white gym towel or is it have a pattern or a color yesYou're not going to go, like, beach towel, and you're not going to go, like, fancy, lacy towel.Right.Just something that would pair with a white tea.I see.So this is sort of the Atlanta version of carrying around a handkerchief.Exactly.
03:11Yeah.If you slap someone with it, then you're in a duel, and you have to compare your cars.Wow.Or your mixtapes.Spencer's mixtape is pretty fire.It is.It's way better than most dudes with other towels.It's mostly Michael McDonald's.
03:26It's most...towels the dudes with towels circuit that's all we do is we get together snap each other with towelsand then compare mix tapes and we're like respect i assume i assume trooper taylor is the leader of thisparticular warriors gang uh he is our pope he hopes to establish a caliphate for the dudesof towels one day oh super taylor super taylor we worship you the talibanJesus ChristThis is a good startThis is a great start
04:04This is our Big 12 preview episodeIt is sourHey listenIs there any part of the nationThat's more concerned about being invaded by foreignersThan the middle of the countryThan the well-armed, extremely scaredAnd not all that aware, middle of the country
04:21No, it's perfectJade HelmsA big 12Jade Helm's a four-start recruit that Auburn's doing real well with last I heard.That does sound like the name of a, yeah, some three-star somewhere named Jade Helm.I want Cliff Kingsbury just come out and say, yeah, we're running the Jade Helm defense this year.We're going to take over Texas.It's where you worry about.
04:47We're going to take over Texas recruiting.Oh, that's fantastic.defense is where you walk around worrying about the wrong things.And that's pretty much the Texas Tech defense.Just facing completely the wrong way to your actual threat.Flow to the wide receiver.The thing about the Jain Helm defense is that all the threats are from within.So the secondary is just looking at the linebackers.
05:15Like, I know you're going to pull, motherfucker.And I'm ready for it.I'm ready for that block from the safety.It's coming.The thing I wanted to actually open the Big 12 podcast, and this is my first one back after a festive trip to Mexico, where I did not climb a volcano.I climbed most of a volcano.You climbed like 80% of a volcano, 85.Oh, yeah, like well over 80% of that volcano.
05:44That's a B-plus.Dude, that's pretty much my GPA, yeah.Go Gators.About a B-plus.Go Cater's.But this is my first one.So I wanted to go ahead and break in with an easy discussion.Today on Twitter, a discussion with M.D. Brown.
06:03Hi, Miles.He's not listening to this.There's no way he's listening to this.He's an NBA fan.He was wondering what game, what sports video game, had inspired the most rage.Because he thought Madden had ruined the most lives.And he still might be right about that.Because Madden is huge.
06:20I know that the three of us are primarily college football fans.we do not do a whole lot of playingof Madden. It happens from time to timemaybe more often now that there's not an NCAAgame, butit's an obsession for a lotof people. It'sprobably cost more sex, sleep
06:37and productivitylosses in this country thanI think a number of drugs.Like certainly Quailutes. Like Madden,because they don't make quailutes anymore.Way ahead of that.Yeah, I agree.Agree. But
06:52the onegame that I thought needed to be mentioned for being the sports video game that is the mostrage-inducing, the one that has angered the most people and the one that has the most frustratingdynamic and has caused the most forcible ejections of PlayStation's, Xboxes, controllers,TVs, furniture, and the most fistfights is FIFA.Yeah. I mean, assuming Mario Kart doesn't count as a sports game.Because I do have a friend who in college had a running Mario Kart showdown with one of his roommates.And I think he was leading the matchup something like 370 wins to 298.
07:47But he lost that day in a way that he thought was bullshit.And he chucked his controller across the room into the little standard half wall that separates an apartment kitchen in college from the apartment living room.Unfortunately, he punctured that half wall, hit a water pipe, flooded his apartment and the apartment below it.I'm going to win.That dude played his Mario.There's no way he's not a Mario Mario Kart player.He was a Mario in college, too, in a lot of.ways.
08:22He won.That's what you're telling me.He did.He won.He farted pure thermonuclear fire, and he won.Wow.Other than him, I think you're probably right about FIFA.A game I have not played, but that's only because it doesn't seem fun based on everybody
08:41else.It doesn't make people happy.No.No, there's no.I mean, it's, I will say FIFA is perfectly designed because it is a lot likesoccer. There are thesebuild-ups and you can get rightin front of the goal with nothing in front of you and your
08:56guy will burr, he'll justbork the ball 45 degreesthe wrong way or you'll hit the wrong buttonand pass. So you canoutplay your opponent for like 85%of the match but still lose by twogoals? Easily. Oh,easily. And if you have the difficulty
09:12set to anything spicy atall, then you could beup 2-0 withthree minutes of injury time leftand it can all come crashing down around your ears easily.That's all pretty realistic, though.It is realistic.I'm telling you, that's the worst.
09:28People just don't like soccer.Yeah, the worst part about FIFA is that I think it accurately renders soccer.Soccer doesn't make, so.That's the biggest mistake.Soccer doesn't make people happy either, so.Soccer doesn't pull no fucking punches.But you can't punch.You can kick, though.
09:43No, no, no.And it'll cut your head off at any point.You can dominate the match and suddenly, boop, own goal.my personal frustration with FIFA comes from trying to be worldly and actually play it once a yearand then like try to kick in like the demo tutorial mode and it like lands on top of the stadium and likeoh man this game's hard i'm good i'll try again next year so i mean my my personal time with it islike literally 100% frustration so i'll agree with spencer here although i will also state thata game of great frustration for me was a Nintendo game
10:21all the way back to the NES RBI baseballbecause they used to play with my dadand he'd have some like broke dick shortstopwho was batting ninth or batting eighth in the orderor ninth in an AL gameand he was always the Tigersand they had this guy Tom BrookensTom Brookins was like a guy who only hit home runs
10:41he was like you know one of these likeI batted 22 and I hit 24 home runsand had 28 hits on the year,like that kind of dude.And I don't know what it was about that game,but the programming ensuredthat the person who had the guywho only hit home runs
10:55and literally no other hit,if you actually played that personover 162 games,he'd hit like 90 home runs.It's the best hitter in the damn game.And I would complain about it,but Spike Owen, for some reason,I cleaned up with Spike Owen off of the Boston Red Sox in that game,
11:12and he only had one home run in a 231 average.So, like, was this game just racistand, like, all the little white guys are awesome.It was.It was the most racist game.Gritty.They were just gritty, man.There's nothing wrong with that.
11:22All of, like, the apparently Japanese programmers in the 80s were just as susceptible to thegritty white guy narrative as sports writers.Because if you had a gritty white guy, like, Dykstra in that game, it's unstoppable.Kurt Schilling in that game.Oh, my God.And he throws up the one-armed salute after that home run.So classy.Yeah, but those are like the most rage-inducing games
11:51I've never like NBA 2K NCAA I've never had a problem with thoseTiger was okay I got to go with the golf gamesGod JesusOkay I just took that backYeah it's the golf gamesThe golf games are not held by the fact that at some point you're likeHoly shit I just played a golf game for two hoursI played it for 10 golf game
12:15I didn't even get to go outside.What's wrong with me?I didn't get to stand in the sun.What's wrong with me?You didn't spend $150, though.The golf games, the amazing thing, is it, like, massively tones down the frustration of playing actual golf.Yeah.Still make you want to sell all the electronics in your home.
12:35I will say, too, the original NASCAR game for Xbox playing that, I would be in the lead, and my dad, jackass of jackasses that my dad is.would attempt to wreck me on the finalwhich was funny likeyou know maybe seven out of ten timeswhen he would you knowmiss hit the wall burst into flamebut on those like three out of ten timeswhen he managed to actually wreck me on that
12:59because leading Bristol one timeand he put me into the pit wall cut my car in halfthat was all rightI'm going to move that up to like the three spotit wow so like in the NASCAR gamehe's somehow got the Mario Kart purple shellyeah yeah like where he's tailing youand the point of tailing you isn't to win,
13:18but to wreck you so that neither of you win.Now, I am going to speak out in favor of NCAA on the frustration scale.It's probably the sports game I've played the most, maybe, as a series.But, like, it won't have that, like, steady, consistent, frustrating thing about it.It'll just every couple years, something will pop up that's just horribly, horribly broken.Like, how did they not?How?How? How did this slip through?
13:44Like, I think it was like 2012, 2013, it was at least a couple years in a row where the linebackers do these superhuman feats whenever you throw over the middle, sometimes not even over the middle.You throw it to the sideline and the middle linebacker somehow picks it off.And then you also have like the defensive back does like the Willie Mays catch like as if you passed it to him and picks off your pass.And like it shouldn't be that frustrating because the game is, you know, really easy and you can put up 85 points.But it's those key interceptions that just are completely.impossible that like to this day I'm mad and it's just a video game and it was like fiveyears ago yeah if you you go ahead Brian you know the sports sports video game that has nevergiven me any any frustration whatsoever and that would be deaf jam fight for new york
14:32that's just good times it's just i don't you can right now if you said hey uh would youlike to be Exhibit and beat the shit out of Sean Paul? Yeah. Like, where do I sign up? I'll do this right now. Would you like Red Man to say some stuff about putting your eyeball on his knee? Yeah. Absolutely. He's going to say a lot. The only frustrating part is when you get to Snoop and he's really strong. Yeah, it is. Which is total visual disconnect there because like, no, he's not strong and also he's not going to be motivated, motivated enough to move quickly ever. Ever. But other than that. But they got Bubba Sparks in this damn game.You can use Bubba Sparks and fight Eric Sermon.And in real life, that would be one of the weasiest battles.Ghostface has his actual giant eagle bracelet.There is a story going around that Ghostface was fucking impossible to work with when they made this game because he was like, yo, what if the eagle came to life and like pecked out my opponent's eyes?They're like, this is grounded in some reality.This is a wrestling game.
15:38This is not, this is not like a Lord of the Rings game, which I would also like to play as Ghostface him.Oh, yeah.Seameless.The Hobbit, fight for the 36 chambers.The man with the giant eagle bracelet.I would also put one of the original fight night games in there.I don't know if you ever played the fight night games in terms of stress-free living.They were pitifully easy on the right difficulty, and you could knock your opponent out by hitting him in the balls, which is great.
16:08Oh, really?Oh, yeah, it's great.Did you get yelled at for it?Oh, yeah, you can yell that for it.But, you know, he's still knocked out.True.Yeah, you can't undo that.We're going to take a point away from you.
16:20The pros, cons of your opponent being on the ground.After you knocked a dude out.And it was great.His face was animated.It was just, you know, like, it was a different face.It wasn't like, oh, you hit me in the stomach.It was, no, you hit me in the nuts.Yeah.
16:32Yeah.This is the Big 12 episode.So we actually do have to discussthe Big 12 at one point.I did get to dowhat I hadn't gotten to do the entire summer,which was sit down withwith my previews, with my Bill C's.
16:50With a little bit of Phil Steelebecause I tend to go blind after reading like three or four.Oh, that's old school.I like that, though.I like that you're like, hey, you know,Bill C's out here making fine, excellent cuisine,but sometimes I want a hungry man.It is definitely, it is sometimes I want to look at a damn racing form.
17:12Sometimes, sometimes I want to read the Dr. Brunner's soap label of college football previews.And much like a hungry man, Phil Steele's previews made eight months ago.You got to reheat them.They've been in deep freeze.And they all weigh exactly one pound.That's what we give to the astronauts when they go up to the International Space Station.Eat this preview of Virginia Tech.It will give you life.
17:35So I was looking down at Madagascar.Asker, and reading about how Michael Brewer is going to win the Heisman.Which we got a question about.Somebody asked if we would buy them cookout if Michael Brewer won the Heisman.Dude, I will buy you a cookout that Michael Broughman is.Because it ain't happening.Sure, I'll buy you an entire cookout franchise if that happens.I will not do that.
18:00We will come to your house and cook you a cookout.Yeah, legal department of SB Nation just allows the statement.Yeah, I did actually get to read and sort of catch up and, like, confirm and or deny thoughts based on data.And am I insane for thinking that the Big 12 is actually pretty difficult, top to bottom, if we take out Kansas?It is difficult in the sense.I mean, there are probably some other teams I might take out of there, too.Who else would you take out?If we're going to go ahead and just take...
18:32You know the name you're thinking, and you know why it's wrong.Okay. I'll just say it. You'll tell me why it's wrong. Iowa State. Go.Because you've got to go to Ames, brother.Ooh, you're not ready for all this clean water.I like that that's something that people actually be like, dude, you got to go to Ames.Yeah, people didn't go to Ames. People been going to Ames for a while.Yeah, I'd love to look at like Iowa State's actual record in Ames, and it's probably just like, oh.Oh.
19:02Yeah, because we've really built this up.326.Yeah.Because I'm guilty of it too.Like, oh, I don't know.It's a Thursday night names.Yeah, people have been dealing with those pretty well.It has achieved the level of urban myth that is based on true events where we're sort of like, oh, yeah, you know, families move into that house every year.
19:22And they leave, screaming and covered in blood.And it's like, it was just the one time.And it was because there was a feral cat.Yeah.And they won two games last year.Farrell Cat is on the hot seat, though.That feral cat?Starting quarterback.
19:38Yeah.They were sending animal control after him.It might get ugly.That and this, they haven't really been improving over the last two years.Three years.They're running out of Sam Richardson's, among other things.Mark Mangino can only do so much with this clay.He wants to sculpt.
20:00He wants to sculpt.But unfortunately, it's that, like, foam.that play foam?Yeah, yeah, yeah.It just springs right back.It's cool with.Yeah, I don't thinkI don't think you're looking at a team
20:12that's going to make a bowl.I don't think you're looking at a teamthat's going to be a competitive.I don't think you're even looking at a teamthat's going to steal a gamethat it shouldn't.They might beat Iowa,but that doesn't mean anything at this point.
20:22But yes, outside of that,there are not a lot of matchupswhere you look and say,oh, the favorite here should be, you know,given 16 points or something like that.outside of those two teams that make the whole nine-game schedule thing kind ofeh yeah everyone else is everyone else is at leastpotentially challenged something right you know something you do
20:44whether it's texas offense texas defense presents potential stress of some sortand the big argument for them being good this year is this that they they don't have tothey don't have to do a lot of learning on offense and they can be i think what people hopeis efficient right i don't know if hoping on efficiency is really your best bet rightLike when they're like, yeah, we hope that you're efficient.You don't turn the ball over.Ever?Because that's not going to do it.
21:12That would be kind of...Which team is this?That'd be Iowa State.That was he...I sort of couldn't believe that we were still talking about Iowa State.That would be kind of amazing if at the end of the season we were like,holy shit, Iowa State only turned the ball over twice, and they won three games.And like, somehow they were both in the Texas game, Big 12 refs.
21:31Those damn Big 12 refsJust taking checks from those big cowboysAnother one of my favorite Big 12 thingsThat Texas's dominance extends toActually getting calls on the fieldLike individual custom callsLet me say thisIf Texas boosters are paying off Big 12 refs
21:53And all they're getting from it isEking out wins over Iowa StateThey need to demand more for their moneyWay more.Like, the ref should be throwing you a 30-point win over the cyclones.Dude, the ref should be detailing your car.Yeah.Actually, Steve Patterson doesn't allow Texas employees to have cars anymore.
22:15Yeah, that's true.Let's not forget, there is footage of a Big 12 ref celebrating a Texas touchdown on the field as it happens.Hey, man, it was just inspiring.It was a really good play.It was a great play.I mean, I would have celebrated, too, if I were a normal person and not a ref.being paid by Texas booster.I mean, of all the conspiracy theories in the sport,
22:37this is the one I am not in a hurry to debunk.When people say, oh, Texas always gets the calls,I just say, that's an interesting theory.I am not going to try and steer you away from that one.Texas gets a lot of calls.Yeah, well, they did get one.They did get a second.They did get a second.
22:58Hey, there's one.that one was probably rightbut I mean like Oklahoma Statetwo years agothe player that turned the gamewas totally wrongBig 12 basically had to come outand apologize for it I believe
23:10I meanI ain't saying I'm just sayingHey we're talking about the Texas LonghornsAnother team I think you can just takeOut of the like influentialand important this yearWhat is the goal for Texas this yearTo be the
23:24Fifth best team in the conferenceFourthLike, what is the achievable ceiling?I think fourth would be pretty good.Fourth would be pretty great, right?Fourth would be, I mean, if you're fourth, then you're like sort of the best of the...The second group?The best of the everyone but the three teams that are actually good.
23:43You're the JV. MVP.I mean, if you come out and you're better than Oklahoma State, K State, West Virginia, I think that's pretty good.That is pretty good. You're right.I mean, you're only the richest program of the country.I mean, if you're better than Kansas State. Wow.I mean, we'll have to paper over the fact that you lost the Cal, but here's the sick, like, here's the sick thing.Take Texas and then look at Texas and offensively.Who, if you were following the Texas Twitter sphere this week, observers at practice were saying things like this.
24:14Yeah, I think there's only two or three teams who are offensive people would start on in the conference.That's good.Yeah.Or, yeah, we've only got one or two guys who really should be like FBS caliber and offensive.Listen, they're just Texas, though.It's not like we're talking to Iowa State here.So, like, seriously, if you're taking teams, like, Iowa State and Kansas, you just put down there, but offensively, just offensively alone.Because defensively, they're going to be fine.
24:43I think they'll be able to, I mean, even with depth concerns and even with, like, Charlie Strong shuffling people in and out of the lineup, they're going to be okay.I think they'll be acceptable defensively.but offensively like there's kansas there's iowa state and then everyone else texas is lookingup at in terms of offensive quality right uh you can make that case i mean case state probablyisn't going to score a billion points this year but you at least sort of know what they'll do andthey'll do it you kind of believe they actually like their quarterback you know yeah even though i'msure he's like a converted janitor even though no one no one has ever heard of him this is a stray dogI found.
25:27He's going to have2,000 at 1,000 this year.He's going to be aTexas Lake.There was alawsuit about who'sthe offensive coordinatorand I don't think
25:36anyone knows.And the lawsuitfocused arounddenyingThere's two guysin court sayingthis is not my fault.I mean,
25:46this is actually happening.We're not making any of this up.We've never told the lieon the program.There was a lawsuitover who was Texasis OC.And in
25:56As far as I know, not settled yet.Oh, boy.Everything is fine.Yeah, it's August 25th, and you don't have a quarterback, but it's cool.That's fine.He did name a starter today.I think.Yeah.
26:11Did Charlie Strong name him, or?No, no, no, no.He just pointed out of a picture of him.That guy.That one.This young man.Number 18.This young man right here.
26:22See, Charlie Strong.I have a lot to say about this young man.Charlie Strong is so worried about the O'Bannon lawsuit that he's refused to use players' names at all.Any names.These are just generic.I don't even recognize him.I got face blindness.The depth chart I put together just happens to resemble some of these players, but we're not using their likenesses.
26:42It doesn't even have numbers.Purely circumstantial.We have all the players wear this silk mask of a face.I've told them to gain 40 pounds before game one.so that we can claim that it's not the same player?We're taking the names off the back of the jerseysjust we're all about teams and also Steve Patterson's afraid of getting sued.Yeah, also Steve Patterson's like,
27:04if you want your name back, that'll be $23 a person.Steve Patterson, he's one of them fucking video gamesor you've got to pay $7 to level up.That's that dude.He's the Kim Kardashian game, right?Like, would you like the lipstick?That'll be 18 credits.Yeah, I don't know.
27:19That game, we don't respect him, though.Yeah, at least that one's creative.Can you name the likely starter, by the way, for Kansas State?You can't.I could.Hell no.No?Jake, Josh, Derek, Clint.
27:34I'm impressed.Clint?Both first string and second string.Both start with a J.It's Joe Hupner.Joe Huber.Jehosephat.And Jesse Ertz is the back.
27:49Jesse.Joe and Jesse.JesseTuesday's on ABCGerald McRaneyin Joe and JesseJoe and JesseTwo guys living together
28:03Trying to make it in the little appleI'll give you a headA highlight hereApparently Joe Huber played in seven games last yearAnd he threw 17 passesAnd he's gonna like seriouslyHe'll be like a 2,000 8Like 2,000 yards passing
28:21800 yards rushingHe's aHe's a former walk-onWho is a tough physical runner with a strong armOh, that's some Kansas State right thereYeahMm-hmmShip it
28:32YeahOh finished fifthAnd a Kansas StateTrack meet in javelinYeahWowCannonOh and his
28:42Joe's got the fifthstrongest arm on campusIs that what I'm gathering?He's from ColumbusHe was born in ColumbusThis gets so much betterhis younger siblings areJustin Jonathan and Jason
28:54Oh, one of thoseYeahIt sounds like he's a family that Laura Ingalls WilderEncounteredAt some point in her childhoodJoe was a good boySlow but kindPa gave him
29:12Five barrels of cornYou know everyone in my immediate family has Jay'sSo I can't really talkHe survived typhusTyphus survived him, some would say.That's why he's a starter.Looking to here, the other plot line in the Big 12, besides depth, because it's tricky.Like, I think this is a fairly deep conference, right?
29:34I might argue, I wouldn't argue that it was deeper than, it's deeper than the ACC, whatever that means.Sure, I'll go with that.You can say deeper than the Big Ten.I think you'd say third deepest conference.conference it's deeper in the way that you look at a public pool and you're like well that that part says seven feet but that part says eight and a half right so i'm going to dive in eight and a half yeah but i don't know how well any of this is measured right right and the pool doesn't have water by the way yeah one one thing about depth is it only has 10 teams so true that that's sort of because like you could have an acc schedule that's like really hard you know if you if you have bad luck which i should point out if they had boise state andand BYU in this conference this year,we would probably be like,this conference is good.
30:25Yeah, I thinkI think that would help.I mean, I think you could say that anyway.I just think it's a little slept onbecause of what happened last year.Right.You know, but you do knowwhat's going to happen this year, right?
30:36Hmm.Like, last year was all about the fightbetween Baylor and TCU,one true champion,et cetera, et cetera.But in many ways,deciding who is betterbetween two teams is not that difficult.
30:51And it's not like it was difficult for the playoff committee.They just weren't impressed by the team they thought was better.What's going to happen this year?We're going to get that sweet three-way tie.Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma.It's going to fuck everything up.It's going to be beautiful.Which has happened before.
31:08You've had that, like, the Big 12 is very good at going into November with peoplewhere you're like, they could all end up 11 and 1.Yeah.There is, there is, I feel very good.about like a bizarre disastrous three team tie at the top of the conference and i know thatoklahoma by hiring lincoln riley uh has allegedly fixed its offensive problems but i don't thinkthat's the totality of what you're looking at in terms of what's wrong with oklahoma are youtrying to say having defensive backs like flee the line of scrimmage is also a problem yeah maybe and
31:48never adjusting, never, like, as in the Baylor, Oklahoma game, where you watch guys justbailing and bailing, and then when they started to creep a little bit up, Baylor did the mostobvious thing and just started running vert behind it, just running nine routes all the waydown the field. Yeah, and never adjusting and never playing intelligent football. But defensively,the same people are still in charge and the same philosophy is still there. And in theirlosses, like their wins are, you know,Exactly what you think they'd be, like, you know, 45-33, 34-10 over Tennessee.But their losses, their losses are all just hemorrhaging yardage and points.
32:31So, yeah, they might have fixed things offensively, but I don't know if that's going to get them real far.Yeah, but they were also, they were eight points away from winning 11 games instead of eight.like there was there was there was there was a degree of hey how did we how did we lose to kansas stateoh that's right our field goal kicker just forgot what he does how many how many of their losseswas it you know they didn't score like they got they get clemson totally ate up their offensebut how many other games was it where it was like you know oh the offense just couldn't get offthe ground baler baylor that was that was that was a that wasmore of the defense's fault than the offenses
33:15right? Yeah. They only put out 14points, butYeah, that's true, that's true. They lost 30, likelosing 31.30 to Kansas State.That was, that was brutal.That was what, like, the first conferencehome loss in three yearsor something? A while.
33:33It had been a while. That suckedreally bad.Or at TCU, they lose3733 to a really goodTCU team. Like, I don'tknow if they fix the right side of the ball yeah to me switching from like this burlyrunning offense to the air raid and i mean they fucking change their offense like every two orthree years at least like think of how many different oklahoma offenses there have been like
33:59since you know stoop's hired mike leach to bring like the the the full-fledged raw uncut air raidover and then that's sort of morphed through the mangino kevin wilson stuff and then you know a fewyears later they're trotting out like tim tibo junior at quarterback and then you know they flip to thelike we're just going to hand it to this guy any times and it'll be fine and now all of a sudden they're theair rate again like to me it's just shuffling the deck when the real issue is the other side of the ballwho uh who coordinates who coordinates that again uh he had the last name he has a last name thatfor some reason it's soups stops it's stoops is what's coming to mind but that's the head coach's lastname it's not the same is it i don't know is it his brother no man's his brother that'd be weird yeah
34:47who'd do that who'd do that he'd hire your brother and then keep him when like he's getting called out byformer players on national tv and on twitter i think i think bob just is hoping mike will get thehint and that he doesn't have to be the one to drop that axe because they like i think almostevery position coach on that defense is new this year or damn you're supposed to itgigantic overhaul on the coaching staff.And they even reassigned, like, I think Stoops was, what was he, secondary coach and D.C., and now he'sjust D.C.? Yeah, it was something like that. He switched around which position group he's incharge us in addition to defense. I think he's just hoping Mike will glean the information
35:30from what's going on around him, but man, it's not happening. It's just not happening.And they could have a good defense. Like, maybe all that, maybe all that shuffling will help. I don't know,but it's just, what a weird way to go around it?He said supremely confidently.I know.It's just weird that you look at Texas, Oklahoma, and you're like, okay, so there are these two sick old men of the conference.Make out.Right.
35:53Why don't you all?Well, sure.Yeah.You look at that.Like, if we had said three years ago, four years ago, gone, okay, so Baylor and TCU, those are Givens.Right.You know.It can't be overstated how weird this time in history is.
36:09yeah it's a very odd time in the conference you know and like what are we worried about with balerum well they're going to have a baler quarterback that's literally their only question mark is we don'tknow how baler of a quarterback he is like tCU their question is they lost some linebackers oh godwhere's gary patterson going to find some linebackers who are better than like who are good enoughto shut down a couple big 12 running games he has no track record of developing that talentyeah he's literally never had a good defensive player but oklahomaI don't know if they can play any defense.Oklahoma.
36:43Yeah.I mean, like in a lot of ways, like the givens that you're looking at,Oklahoma State has a few more than Oklahoma.I do like that West Virginia has taken more defensive strides than Oklahoma has.Like Virginia, West Dana Holderson, West Virginia might have a better defense than Texas or Oklahoma.And Texas' defense is going to be pretty good.Even Texas Tech was like, yeah, we'll try something new.Yeah, I actually really like that higher.
37:13I mean, it's not like they've got any, it's not like they've got a whole lot more talent.No.But they're playing a style of defense now, which after the mysterious firing of their defensivecoordinator, what, mid-season last year?Did he fire or did he quit?I thought he quit.That was one where there was all sorts of rumors and no one ever really got to the bottom of it.Yeah, can we put it this way?
37:34He was departed.He was gone.And then I think he started consulting with other big 12 teams that were.going to play Texas Tech?Sounds right.It was some shady shit.And then what they replaced him with was the guy from Houston,whose whole thing is just, hey, we're going to give us some points
37:48where we're going to go get that ball.Exactly.Yeah, exactly.Like they've now got, I believe it was David Gibbs, their new defensive coordinator,basically playing the smash and grab defense.They're playing the air right on both sides of the ball.Exactly.It's a totally coherent philosophy.
38:03Give me the ball.Give it the ball.Just give me the ball.Get the ball.Like, I don't think Texas Tech is going to be.mediocre enough to getI think Cliff in any realtrouble particularly because of the investment they've made
38:15in him but at the same timethey're sort of I think they'reone of the big 12's most likeat least this is going to sound weirdthey're one of the most ideologicallycoherent teams they're trying to do the same thingin every single phase of the gamewhich is give me the ball
38:30just give me the ball just move the ballsomewhere the ball has to be moving at all timejust get the ball my ballofficial activity is based on movementThe ball is a shark and we can't let it die.Yeah.Just keep it moving.Just give it all.
38:43It's a crank is what it is.Right.Yeah, it's crank.Crank the team.Give me those battery cables.Put them on my tongue.Let's go.I know this is.
38:55This is a good for me.Yeah.I'm into Texas Tech.Yeah, no, I mean, it might not work, but I respect the ideological purity at work there.Right.Yeah.Like, none of this, like, we're going to play lockdown and don't break defense and we'regoing to try to score 60 points you don't get to do both of those no no they're pretty they're pretty
39:13honest about they're like yeah this is arena ball we're we're very very very much aware of exactly whatwe are we're not good enough to do that so what we need to do is send like nine guys into coverageand try to snatch the ball or just do a bunch of like cover one or cover zero blitzesyay let's watch that it's going to be awesome i don't i don't think it's going to go great against arkansaspersonally but noBut this isThat's one of those early seasonIntersectional games where you go
39:43Yeah, this means nothing.Yeah, we scheduled this a while ago.Yeah.Arkansas is out here apologizing for it.Yeah, I delayed, this is the delayed jury servicethat you're like, oh, they said I got to show up this time.I put it off three years ago.The one thing I do totally trust Texas Tech to do
40:03is be really competent on offense.Like, I just do.Like, Cliff is good at that.That staff will score points.They will.And I mean that even on the Big 12 curve, I mean, even in the Big 12, they will put togetheran offense that you'll look at and go, yeah, I'm kind of legit terrified of them.Yeah, last year they had, they were kind of disappointing on offense last year,
40:27but I think they've, you know, they've got in like their eighth identical quarterback ofthe Kingsbury era already.And like that'd be Pat Mahomes, right, settled with this guy.And they return a whole bunch of weapons.And so, yeah, sounds about right on to me.Can I ask the question that I have no answer to?Whatever.Sounds perfect.
40:47What do we think about Oklahoma State right now?That's like, speaking of rifling through quarterbacks who seem the same.Because I'm looking back at last year, and in some senses I'm saying it's not as bad as I thought it was.Like, they hung with Florida State early in that neutral slate game.They beat all of the teams that they were supposed to beat, probably with the exception of Texas.They got hammered by the good teams that they played, but then they beat Oklahoma in kind of a stupid game,and they looked pretty good in a bull game win over Washington.But I just, I don't know.
41:27Is this a good team anymore?Or is this just like a so-so team?I guess we don't really know what to expect this year, but the thing going into last year, if y'all recall, was like,how can a team be this inexperienced?It was like you look down the two deepand it was like red line, red line, red line, red line, red line.It was little rascals.There was nothing coming back.
41:49It was like a from scratch team.And yeah, they hung with the defending champsand they turned in what, seven winsand they beat their rivals.They beat their rivals.They beat their rivals.But they beat their rivals.They beat their rivals in a kneecapper.
42:03That was the worst game that I watched most of last year,other than those Thursday night ACC games.Do I remember, yeah, do I remember this correctly?And then it was three quarters of sludge.Yeah, and then it was like,holy shit, this is hanging off.Somehow I knew this would come through.I want, by the way, I want an app that just alerts me
42:22to when nothing has happened for three quartersin a rivalry game so I can flip over to the fourth quarterbecause that's what it always happens.You mean, yeah, yeah.If there's just three quarters of garbage,that fourth quarter is going to be fire.They're like, oh, George just came back from 20 downto be Georgia Tech, sorry.
42:37Yeah.And thenonside kicked oror did the Squib case.That's what it was.Yeah, sorry.I'm talking to ACC.That's cool.
42:48That, by the way,can I also say,I think Devin Lauderdalefor Texas Tech.Devin Lauderdale for Texas Techis going to befun to watch this yearbecause he's a fast young man
42:57who can catch the football.He'll be real good.But going back to Oklahoma State,I have, like, I have no idea.None.That extends to whether Mike Gundy has like, I have no idea what his job security is right now.He could be relatively fine.He could be on the brink of death.
43:18Yeah, they could build a statue of him and then fire the statue.Right.And I don't feel like either of those are contradictory.I don't.I feel like they'd be like, man, you've done so much of this program.But you've got to go.Yeah, here's a check for seven mill.Get out.
43:33Like he wins the title and it's like contract extension fired.Good news.We're building a statue of you.Bad news.You will be inside the statue.Bad news.It has replaced you.It is a carbonite sitch.
43:45Sorry.I want to remember you this way, coach.We've also made a statue of Bobby Petrino.Who is here doing our salute?He's learning it right now.Yeah, here.Won't you do it?No, that's not it.
44:03That's good.Good, just shoot something.That's good, Bobby.Bobby Petrino with a gun.We're going to get you the Dallas Cowboys job in no time, buddy.Can I just say this, though?Oklahoma State's best prospect is that their quarterback passes my rule,that their quarterback has a name, which has two first names,
44:21and it makes equal sense either way.Mason Rudolph.Rudolph Mason.So congratulations.That's like eight wins right there.Yep.I would also point if we are looking to,I mean, we're like, I don't want a yada yada, Baylor and TCU.
44:36Like, yeah, yeah, they're going to be great.They're going to be really fun to watch.They're stocked.They're playing a really, really, really, I think, efficient brand of football for what both teams are.And if TCU's defense, if TCU's defense is like as good as I think Gary Patterson can make it by the end of the year, oh my God.Don't look directly at them.I'm also excited because I think coming off of last season and feeling both equally bitterly disappointed that they didn't get a playoff spot, both of these teams are going to be going to every game thinking, well, let's win by 45.Oh, yeah.
45:15Let's get like real 2002 Bob Stoops with this and just margin of victory the hell out of this schedule.I hadn't even thought about that stuff right now, but yeah.There'll be no let up.Yeah.It's just extra, like, extra gas and ordinance the entire season.Because they want, when you go back, they want it to look like,they basically wanted to look like really lopsided, like, AFL matches, right?Like, mm, 6315. Goodness.
45:45The Warratura Cucaburros really put it on them there.Like, that's what they want it to look like.They're averaging 74 points a game. How are you going to lead them out of the playoff?That, that's when people start.Oh, the Big 12 was down this year.Then they can go back and listen to our podcast and go, oh, no.It was deep.What thoughtful depth?
46:07Baylor's averaging more points per game than the New York Knicks.Who's the ruiner in conference?Like the one, because I mean, I have an answer for this.I'm asking to hear what you think.Who's the team that is the ruiner?The one that, you know, you're probably not like, oh, okay, they can win.But the one where you're like, no, they can fuck someone's entire universe.up. Guess who Baylor plays last? Oh, who? It's Texas. Ooh. I actually like Dubby for this
46:38spot. Yeah. I like Dubby a lot. Like, they are, they are, have a fairly young quarterback,but they have some skill talent around him. And they have like a fairly competent defensereturning, or at least a defense that showed flashes of competence, if not being pretty good lastyear. They should have a legit, not even like good for West Virginia. They should have a gooddefense. Right. Like a top 30? Top 35 defense. If they struggle to score for like a month or so,they'll put it together. They'll start score at some point. Yeah. So I can see West Virginiabeing the team that, I mean, they kind of did this last year. That's just like, oh, well, theregoes your season. Sorry, buddy. All right. Can I show you West Virginia's position in the schedule of
47:24the contenders in conference? Yes, please do.Baylor rolls through nothing.Like, they go to Texas Tech.Eh, eh, great.And then they run, on October 17th, they run into the wall that could be West Virginia.Admittedly, that's at home.But sometimes I think being at home, you just get relaxed and fat and happy.And then suddenly you're like, oh, we played Kansas last week, and now we're playing a football team.
47:51This is also a football.I don't know.For Baylor, that's a revenge game thing, though.Yeah, there is the revenge thing.You say that.Waco Hive's going to be lit.I mean, it'll be lit.It usually is.
48:02It'll be lit, but they still have to play them.And they still present the same basic problems for them.True, true.And then West Virginia, like, TCU plays no one.Like, they play a long slag.They play Texas on October 3rd.Minnesota is the best team they play.The first two months of the season.
48:22I would argue at Manhattan, which is an underrated road spot.but they play at manhattan they play at iowa state and then they play west virginia west virginia is justthe speed bump in both of these schedules uh that's said that west virginia game it's on a thursdaythursday okay that's a loss just chalk it up no unless joe tessitore if we can get joe tessitorecalling it but they they do both get west virginia at home so it's true but yeah that's our uh that's that'sThat's my pick for the ruiner of worlds as far as a team in here.Jason, how many scholarship players does Kansas have?Well, based on some math by a Jake Trotter story today,
49:09let's just say they open with South Dakota State,which is a really good FCS team,and they have fewer scholarships in that team.I think the number was 63 based on Charlie Weiss's Juko Heavy recruiting and so forth.Actually, if you look at their roster, on a lot of rosters, there's like a column where it lists previous school.And like for most college football rosters, you know, if you go to Bamas, there might be like five, ten players.For Kansas, it's like every third player comes from somewhere else and they still don't have very many players.They got a guy from school, the America's on here.
49:43Seriously, go look at their roster right now and sort the roster by the previous school column and then, like, scroll to it.It'll fill up your whole screen.can I give you my favoriteif you searchKansas footballand you search newslike just search Google News rightlike Kansas let's search Google News
50:04Chiefsno no no nothese are the topheadlinesdismissing Tyler Patmanand other ways Charlie Weiss ruinedKansas footballTulsa World five hours ago
50:19how Charlie Weiss leftKansas football in ruins10 hours ago.Kansas football programmade it a priorityto visit everyhigh school team in state.Yay.
50:36So in case you wonderwhere it's, oh, I'm a bitfurther down the page. I'm sorry, I don't want to leavethis out of here.Kansas football onWeight Watcher plan.Wait.Wait.
50:51from from kusportspardon meis that a charliege white's jokeuh i think sowowwow the best the best part about that jake trotter articlewas that it starts withafter uh
51:12the season where they're decidingwho they're going to hirewhen they eventually picked charlie weissyou know who they were thinking about gettingGus MalsonGus MalsonAnd do you know why they didn't go with him?Because Charlie was a bigger name
51:29I want to give you a quoteIs that even true?I want to give you a quote from that articleFor Kansas,The Malson match made too much senseOhMan can you imagine him with someTexas ball players
51:47Because like say what you will aboutNotre Dame, another program that paid Charlie Weiss a ton of money to not coach their footballteam. They didn't have a lot of warning.Yeah, there wasn't a body of work. There wasn't a precedent. But Kansas, there was a reasonCharlie Weiss was a big name, and it wasn't because he had won national championships.Kansas, there were two precedents. I don't know if I mentioned this on here, but I was with Spencerwhen their news came out that Kansas had taken Charlie Weiss off of Florida's hands, and, like,like, we were out. Oh, we were out. We were having a meeting. We were all out.
52:24And like, soon as the news comes across, he's, like, demanding everyone show him the headlines on different phones just to be sure that, like, no single person is tricking him, like, such unbridled joy once it was finally confirmed.Is this? Did Kimmel do this?This is real, right? They actually did this.Because you're wondering if people are fucking with you.Yeah.That they're going to take this dude who's like...You've been hurt before.I've been hurt before. And you're wondering if you take, like, those.
52:50the most negligent football coachI have ever seen.Ever.Like, Charlie Weiss coached the worst football game I have ever seen.Like, the single worst coaching job I've ever seen.That was the season opener against Georgia Tech,which is the worst loss in the history of the program to that point.Where he decided,
53:06Oh, just install a spread option at the last minute.Like, you can put it in in a week.And it looked like it, too.It looked like I had done it, right?Like, I don't know.You hold the ball.And then you fake it to this guy.Then you spread?
53:21I don't really, I didn't, I just sort of skimmed the manual.You just stand farther apart.These IKEA manuals aren't very clear.Let me give you a quote from this Jake Trotter article,which really should win a Pulitzer?Shitting on Charlie.Meanwhile, the summer after his first season at Kansas,Weiss famously referred to his team as a pile of crap
53:43before turning the program into, well, just that.my favorite thing Charlie Weiss did at Kansas was when he took that when I think they were practicing at Arrowhead Stadium and he took a picture of like essentially an empty section down near the field because it was open to the public and without any wink or nod just tweeted out great crowd we got out here supporting Jayhawks football it was just yeah it was some kidscamp thing with like nine people in the arrowhead stands that was when you knew the man hadhad had all fucks that he once had yeah it was pretty cool and he'si mean like the amount of money the amount of money that man like i i hope that i hope heshows up to the bank with a ski mask on are you robbing this bank no this is not it not this oneNo, I just feel comfortable in this.Yeah, it's just habit.
54:54He, yeah.And now they have David Beatty, who's a perfectly fine coach,who's going to have to coach Kansas now.He says he sees the whole thing as an opportunity,and I just want to hug it.Just pet him.That's the kind of thing, like an optimistic dad says,after a wildfire burns down your house.
55:15Well, it's stage two.You know, we had to clean out the garage anyway, so in some ways, this was a blessing.The doctors caught it early.I'm really reevaluating my relationships.They caught it early.It was an arm.Yeah, it was an arm.Lost like 10 pounds.
55:34Yeah, I don't tell you this about cancer, but man, it's slimming.I think you should know, Spencer, this is the second time you've made a cancer reference about a big 12 team in the history of this podcast.The other was Mac Brown in Texas, so congratulations.That bodes well for you, Kansas.It did take several years and was painful.That one, it really sunk its claws in.It did.And the damn pliers to get that thing out.
56:01And the cure might have been worse than the disease itself.Yeah, but you know, cancer's pretty good on TV when it's all said and done.I'm saying, man.Tell you, he says, he doesn't say much bad about anything else.Like, Mac Brown and Phil Steele, I don't know.know this team could surprise me this year man this is a really really mean episode big 12 brings outthis damn sass well it's it's he listen it's texas we got some texas this is all texas straighttalk texas you got you got to bring you got to bring your honesty here you know you're
56:31walking here with your boots on you got to be ready to kick some shit they'll burn them rightbetween the eyes if they bring that bullshit around here hey you get on that horse man themrange don't pull themselves i got i got terrible news it's 56 minutes into this podcast that we havenot done a single reader question.That's fine. We don't have to do them this week.All right, so here's what we're going to do.Next week, just don't even bother sending us questions.Jesus.
56:56These will keep.Oh.You know what we'll do?Big 12 is dry.What we're going to do is go out to that mesquite tree.We're just going to put a little bit of vinegar on them.We're going to hang him there.I'm going to put a dog under him.
57:12I trust him. He's not going to eat it.And then when we come back,going to be questioned jerky.This is awful.Yeah, I feel, I feel terrible.
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