Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 40 for 40: The 2017 Birmingham Bowl

Episode Date: December 19, 2017

The Birmingham Bowl has no title sponsor this year, and three of the four platinum sponsors are entities that really don't need the publicity or are already getting it thanks to the very existence of this bowl. So basically, let's pool our money and name this bowl whatever we want. Idea 1: The No Die Hard 2 Isn't Great But It Has Entertaining Moments Let's Give It Some Credit Birmingham Bowl Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Which one of those would you like best? Welcome. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome to the shutdown forecast. I'm Ryan Nanny. That's Jason Kirk. We've been, I mean, Jason and I have been doing this podcast for what feels like forever. And what's really nice about it is that, you know, we have guests on from time to time. We had John on. We've had Holly on, obviously, Mina Kimes, Roger Sherman, Andy Staples. But at its core, I think what makes this podcast successful is that Jason and I have this sort of like unspoken connection. And that's because we're the only host of this show and have always been the only host of this show. yeah we're getting back to basics um sort of um sort of stripping the uh the show back to its roots you know like what there's three people with mics that's preposterous on a podcast why would

anyone listen to that i mean if you're going to go all the way back to its roots this is uh you have to look at our short-lived but i think very creatively ambitious youtube series which was again you and me and that's it yeah if you google should it was a different name So you'd have to look up, shut down full back. But it was a YouTube series for the 2012 football season. Yeah, Ryan and I in a basement in Atlanta. And roughly 2,000 people loved it. And we, you know, we both looked different.

It was, you know, I think things have changed for both of us in five years. But the important thing is that, again, it's just Jason. There's never been anybody else who's been a host or key member or important voice on this podcast. Oh, there is one more. Brian Floyd, who is with us. Oh, well, gosh. Now I feel like, you know what? I feel like an asshole.

And I'm sorry about that. Sorry, well. We're here to talk about, we're here to technically talk about the Birmingham Bowl, but I really want to talk about a weird phenomenon that seems to be popping up this year. It's called, it's called the Birmingham Bowl. There's that. I'm looking through the bowls that we've done so far. And I'm pretty sure at Las Vegas, Bahamas, and now Birmingham, and a couple of the other ones that we're going to have down the line. They're all, like, it feels like they're more unsponsored bowl games this year than there have been in years past.

Yeah. What do they say on Twitter? Whenever something weird happens, they say, this is just late capitalism. is that is that the answer here yeah it's like it's like when i was in college when there was a story like you know you read something in a lit class you'd understand it you'd get points if you just said like well postmodernism right right yeah or i was a polysign major so it'd be like oh well neo-conservatism so um yeah even like so there's no title sponsor for the birmingham bowl here are the platinum sponsors that the highest non-title level share it share it Sheraton, the hotel chain, which like, yeah, that's a company. Cool, good job. Alabama Power, the Birmingham Visitors Bureau, and the city of Birmingham. Brough, two of you don't need

to sponsor the Birmingham Bowl. It's literally doing all the work for, it's getting all the pub out for you. It's called the fucking Birmingham Bowl. You don't need to throw them money. What the hell is that about? So the Birmingham Bowl came in there like, give us 50,000, or we're taking this shit to Tuscaloosa. They'll be the Tuscaloosa Bowl. I mean, like, 1-800 flowers doesn't sponsor the Rose Bowl.

They don't need to. Yeah, oh, man. The Rose Bowl would be so insulted by whatever 1-800-5s could offer. That's true. Telephones. So I guess I, like, we could probably,

I know we've talked about sponsoring a bowl before, And that's because we've usually approached it from like, oh, my God, look at all these bad boy moors and cherubundee, blah, bla, and Dollar General, which we'll get to. Like, it's, it's clearly not, this, you used to have the Go Daddy Bowl. This is not like a hard level to reach or an impossible level to reach. You don't have to be an amazing company. What, we're trying to be platinum sponsors, trying to go platy-plat? No, I'm just, what I'm saying is if the platinum sponsors are three, three, Our two city of Birmingham institutions and Alabama Power and Sheraton, like, I feel like we can come over with it.

I feel like they have no bargaining leverage at this point, that we can just go to the Birmingham Bowl and be like, you got no title sponsor. You know that you're not going to get one. Shut down Falcass Bowl. Here's $300. I like the idea that the Birmingham Bowl, there is literally no company in the world. world that wants to pay any amount of money. Like, it's not, it's not that the Birmingham Bowl's standards are just too high, which, um, spoiler alert, Birmingham Bowl, your standards are too high.

I like the idea that there is not a single entity anywhere on earth that would pay even a cent to have its name associated with this game. This, this used to be the Papa John's Bowl, right? The Papa Johns or the Papa Johns.com. Sorry, Papajones.com. Thank you. Excuse me. The company is not associated with the website is, all right?

The website went rogue, yes. Papa John's, the print media organization is not sponsoring this bowl, just our digital branch. It's like Disney versus Disneyland or something. Or, yeah, it was like one franchisee who's not even in Birmingham. Right, right, right. The Montgomery Papa John's bowl in Birmingham. But then Papa John's got the NFL contract and booted them for this. Yep.

and then the Super Bowl. That's now the Papajohns.com. And look what's happened to the NFL sense. Meanwhile, the Birmingham Bowl is on the come-up. Everything's fine. USF gets to playing this game again. Texas Tech gets to, I think this is the first time a big 12 team

has played in this game. It's hard. It's hard to get hype for the Birmingham Bowl. Yeah, it looks like you're right. You know all sorts of Birmingham Bowl facts. USF now, of course, ties all-time Birmingham. Bowl champion Pitt, which in three appearances went one and two. Actually, USF already was the

greatest Birmingham bowl team. They're the only team to ever win twice. Right. So now they have a chance to just become the all-time gods of Birmingham. And therefore claim Pitt's place as the most important team in college football. I mean, that was what laid the foundation. It took a few years, but forged in the fires of Birmingham, Pitt became great. Can we also, all right, I want to do, there's two things that don't relate to this bowl that I want to do. Number one, in talking about the Bahamas Bowl, we were very angry that it's not sponsored by Popeyes,

and I stand by that anger. I do want to acknowledge, since we're talking about Birmingham, that UAB has been awesome this year, and seeing what they've done, literally resurrected from death in their first year has been totally outstanding, have not gotten enough credit from us. Or like, it's very weird seeing other coaches getting nominated for Coach of the Year. Because it's like, yeah, Auburn had a good year.

Man, was Auburn around two years ago? Did they have a team? Okay, then they had a leg up. They had an advantage over what UAB was doing. I don't know, UAB got in all that practice time and players weren't getting hurt. Stayed healthy, that's true. Really, all they did, all they did was just practice and practice and practice. And, I mean, who knows what kind of dastardly recruiting went on?

Oh, man. The NCA, when they were distracted by the FCS playoffs, man, that's the time to strike. In a way, wouldn't you say UAB faked its own death to escape its own debts and crimes? I think we should be shaming UAB, not celebrating I think you and I ought to be added to the University of Alabama Board of Trustees with this type of thinking

I think we just did I think we're going places in Tuscaloosa also my name is now Hooper or some show My name's like J.B. Buddy Jr. What's the J.B. stand for? Oh, Junior Buddy.

It stands for Junior Buddy. All right, I also want do we have we have charity ad reads we have to uh we don't want to let go unread before the 40 for 40 is done so i'm going to start with this one this from tim obviously this came in a while ago so just like bear with me i'm assuming you're getting enough of these to last until the off season mostly correct so if i'm one of the last reads congrats to pen state national champions definitely not correct well don't really It's rule it out. Don't rule it out yet. Okay.

Saquan Barkley, Penn State's second Heisman winner. Also, very not, right. Baker Mayfield, ineligible scandal. He sold autographed pictures of his dick. Right. Stanford by rule has to be second place, so they can't jump up to first. Right. And Lamar's already got one. So that would bump up Saquan. You're good. Okay, we got there. And Ryan, for being the blooming onion at the Outback Bowl. one of three one of three got one of three right that's a hell of a batting average Tim

great job you nailed it you're you're you're king of a different sport it's not the sport you go one and two you get a you get a contract extension and a bigger buyout so right um the other thing I wanted to touch on so we mentioned Pitt and that makes you think of Todd Graham

naturally right Todd Graham left Pitt to take the Arizona state job a job he does not have anymore now we we spent a lot of time on this podcast shitting on tennessee for their coaching hire i mean how jason fucking let holly know live on this thing who they who they'd hired we broke the news yeah we yeah i mean must credit shut down full cast we were the first ones to break that news parenthesis to holly anderson but still the first ones um man what arizona state has done is so much

it's dumber. Like, like, it, because it reminds me of this situation that happened with the Tampa Bay Bucks, like, I don't know, two or three years ago now, they fired Lovie Smith, who was the head coach at the time. And they did so because James Winston had, I guess, a good relationship with the offensive coordinator, Dirk Cutter, and they were going to promote him to head coach. But this was around the same time the Dolphins job came open. So there was this small window where it was like, well, shit, they maybe just fired the head coach to promote the OC, but the OC might

leave, in which case this unnecessary gambit went nowhere. But it didn't work out that way in Tampa, they hired Dirk, and they're bad. Rise up, Falcons, et cetera, et cetera. And now Arizona State,

you got Herm. ASU paying $12 million to install Herm as the figurehead of this coaching staff, which is now leaving anyway. Right. Right. Literally none of, like, Todd Graham was the only one leaving, basically. I feel like even the grad assistants, they were like, nah, come on. Y'all are family. We couldn't break this party up. Yeah, we would never get rid of anyone from this coaching staff. We, we're all so confused. Trust the new leadership model. So how long did it take before One of the coordinators left.

Was it like a week? Sounds right. Sounds right. Yeah. So one left to be the Raging Cajun's head coach. You can't say U.L. Lafayette or Louisiana Lafayette or Louisiana without someone getting mad at you. Just calling the raging Cajuns. And the other one is like retiring or something.

Yeah. So Herm Edwards is unsupervised. I like it because. The whole thing is it's, it's very much like a Jurassic Park approach where they're like, well, the computers will run everything and then the computers immediately go down. Yeah. I mean, I see what you're saying about Tennessee. Like, you know, there's the whole thing about like looking at process versus looking at results. Looking at Tennessee's process.

Oh, my God, it was a cluster fuck. The results? Probably fine. Sure. Arizona State, your process? well you um you decisive your process was decisive you quickly got a coach your results oh my god you know and like the process that's like a month the results that could set you back for five 10 years so i i'm in the in the long run Tennessee did a better job that's incredible

i got to be honest i hope Herm Edwards leaves and becomes like leaves in a month and goes and becomes the secondary coach at Tennessee he's just like no i'm feeling we're comfortable over here. Thank you. Yeah, they're volunteers, not devils. I believe in volunteerism, not Satanry.