Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 4.11

Episode Date: April 13, 2016

The Shutdown Fullcast for this week subs out one Ryan for another because SOMEONE decided he needed a "vacation in Italy." In Nanni's place we substitute Ryan Van Bibber, SB Nation NFL editor, who despite his chosen subject matter has very little respect for the Cult of the NFL Draft. Topics covered include: --the splendors of Branson, MO --which Florida Gator will be the steal of the draft, and what school he ended up playing football at after being kicked out of the University of Florida (because that happens to every football player at the University of Florida) --a community agreement that all quarterbacks are busts coming out of college, and will be called this just to make life easier on them until success is attained --an analysis of the least literate fans in college football re: the draft, and yes, it's Tebow loyalists --the sandwich analogy for amateurism and theft --a review of the 2000 draft, where Sebastian Janikowski might really be the best pick overall --why you should draft anyone on a mid-major team where the mere mention of their name makes you go OH THAT GUY Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shut down full cast. Three seconds in? Was that even three seconds in? I am Spencer Hall, editor of Every Day Should Be Saturday.com and Editorial Director of SB Nation, joining me on the line. We have a special guest.

I'm going to choose Jason Kirk, our college football editor, and brain in charge at SB Nation. Say hi, Jason. Hey, how y'all doing? And we have a special guest because we've replaced a Ryan with a Ryan. Typically, this is when I intro Ryan Nanny.

And we start to discuss college football for like 7% of the podcast. And then 93% of the time, we just tangentialize. We're going to tangentialize tonight, but we have to do it with a different Ryan. Because Ryan, Jason, are you aware of where he is? Per sources, he's in Italy, which ain't played nobody. It's true. Italy ain't played nobody. Remember, they're a dominant power in the world of soccer that relies on cheating, whining, diving, skullduggery, and manipulation of the rules to get things done. So they're what?

Texas? When asked about Italy, I believe Will Must Jam said, I don't speak French. Yeah, I don't speak Italian. That's a thing, man. When somebody leans hard into not Italy or Italian, they're not Italian. you can lend it to the Italian, that's when you know they're in, they're from the must champ belt. I feel like that's when you know that they're only, uh, only knowledge of anything having to

do with Italy, Rome, uh, the Vatican, Catholicism, anything, anything is pasta. Bread sticks. Bread sticks. The olive garden. Hey, don't, it's a fine restaurant as people do good work. Good work. So joining us and chortling from, I believe you're, Kansas. You're around Kansas City, or do I have you correct?

I'm in, I'm in Southwest Missouri. I'm in the Ozarks. Wow. So, yeah, yeah, that's, in Georgia terms, we're talking more like Macon. That's our, that is our NFL editor, joining us from the cloak of the Ozarks. From Winner's Bone itself. Ryan Van Bibber. Springfield, Missouri, which is the highest concentration I've ever seen of churches and fast food restaurants.

Anyone who's ever spent time in Springfield, every other facility is either a church or a fast food restaurant. It's amazing. It's her capital, the highest concentration of chain restaurants in the country. I can't ask you anything you haven't been asked before, so I'll just cop to this being a lame question. How long does it take you to drive to Branson? 40 minutes? 40 minutes. Depends which outlet mall you're going to.

Now, have you recently, in the past five years, seen a show at Branson, Missouri? I have not. I have not. I have seen many a Branson show in my existence. I was thinking about that earlier today. A time that my grandparents took me to see the Oak Ridge Boys there. And let me tell you, if you have never heard Elvira performed live, well, you're missing out. Well, because the Oakridge

boys, if you don't know, they had the one guy in the band who could sing really deep, and it was not the guy that you thought would. They had this big... No. They had this big scary tree beard-looking guy with the gigantic beard, and you're like, he's the base. And it turns out it was like the little dude with the gigantic shoulder pads who could hit

those low Ds, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, real thick black hair. It looked like he would take you in three card money and sing bass to it. Yeah, that dude carried... That dude carried a knife. Like, in that group, that's the guy who carried the night, undoubtedly. By the way, if you're interested in shows that you can see, currently playing in Branson, we've got a Patsy Cline tribute show, we got

Billy Dean, we have Ricky Skaggs, and we have Yaakov Smirnoff, who has a 9-11 mural that he painted himself in his theater. I'm going to go see that one day, because it sounds absolutely incredible. So with Ryan in tow, thanks for joining us. We're going to discuss, hopefully I wanted to discuss the one time when college football

and the NFL meet in an alley for an awkward exchange that both inevitably regret, which is the NFL draft. And because we brought him on as an expert, we'll just offer our genius for you.

What questions do you have about the NFL draft, Ryan? from NFL experts that Jason Kirk and Spencer Hall Well Let's see What do you think Looking at it from a college football perspective

When you look at The Cincinnati Bingles And they're secondary Who's a good fit? I'm going to say they're going to lose in the playoffs. Now, you know, they're going to, they re-sign Pac-Man. They're going to have to have somebody opposite Pac-Man.

Yeah. Okay, so do you want someone who further continues the Pac-Man lineage, or do you want to really contrast with Pac-Man? I don't know. I mean, I guess it really kind of boils down to what college football player is Mike Brown willing to pay for after four years of his rookie contract? I don't feel like this year's defensive backs. I don't feel like there's one likely to get in, say, a strip club altercation that I can think of.

No, no, but I want you to consider who he's playing on the same field with, which would be Vante's Berfic. So you would be looking at a player who you really want to maximize Thump. Pac-Man's a veteran. He's not going to take any licks. He's not supposed to take. He's not going to do anything he's not supposed to do. So I think you want to balance that kind of moderation with somebody who is a car. crash in cleats like jalen ramsie for instance yeah now he's he's a legitimately good football

player oh yeah i don't know if he'll be there for the bengals though right when are they picking the bengals always they sort of always pick like 23rd right they're locked in there you are so close they're picked 24th this year yes yes i i'm going to recommend for the bengals if we want to just lean all in on these sort of missile-like defenders. I'm going to recommend Derek Kendridge from TCU. A big, big hitter. A classic Big 12 secondary person

in that his coverage skills, you'll see some touchdowns, which those are fine. But he's going to injure somebody, and he's going to play hard, and he's going to play injured too. He's one of those guys who you just say he really likes football. And when you say it and

about it it's kind of scary how much he likes football wow is he a gym rat he would we describe him as a gym rat so he'll probably be like a six round pick so yes yeah i was going to say like way too low on the draft board definitely a gym rat like you wouldn't call miles jack a gym rat because miles jack is a physical genius so he's like a he's like a gym zeus or something yeah i I have another draft question. Okay. Oh, good, good. Who's the best player in this year's draft that has been kicked out of the University of Florida?

Well, that is a full... I was going to say, that's just a full, like, 30 people who are eligible in this. Because remember, like, Florida is to college football prospects. What... I was trying to think of, like, a band that, you know, people were always in. but then immediately got kicked out of, right? Mega death. Sure, like, they are to metal, like, what Megadeth is to metal, right?

Or, like, oh, they were in that band, man. They were in that. They're G unit. They're G unit, Florida's G unit. They fell out with somebody. Because G unit's membership has never been the same from one month to the next. No, because somebody, like, for a bunch of rappers, they have the most sensitive, like, bitties on the planet, right?

Like, G unit's code of manners. must be so arcane as to make functioning for longer than six weeks a matter of like brain surgery, right? Like, oh, I didn't write, I didn't write 50 a thank you note. 50 cent is baseball. He is baseball. It's like a 1971 baseball man. You didn't gangster the right way.

Unwritten rules. Unwritten rules of 50 cent. The unwritten rules of 50 cent. I will, of people currently eligible in this draft who are no longer at the university, of Florida. I would go ahead and take somebody who actually made it all the way. I'll take somebody. He wasn't kicked out. I guess he was kicked out by

what? Eligibility? I'll cheat. And I'll say, I like it as a steal Keanu Neal at safety. Okay, okay. Take him. That's one way to put it. Yeah, because Keanu Neil, nobody's expecting him to do well, and I will tell you this, he can knock the pain off

a helmet. He's real big, real physical, very vicious hitter. So a diamond in the rough right there. Will Hill part two minus some of the more colorful baggage Will Hill might bring. I like sour. Because like when people say, you know, former

Florida Gator, you think, oh, well, where do you play his college ball? But you went with an actual Florida Gator. I did. I did. It's crazy. I was opposed to the pride of North Alabama. I will tell you, too, by the way. A hard part.

NC State. Boston. College, Auburn, a variety of places. I will tell you, too, and this is hitting on a serious point, it's very hard for the college fans sometimes to evaluate a draft or at least start thinking about the draft at all because, one, we don't really care. And two, when you do start to care a little bit, you look at these guys and go, oh, no, he was awesome. Because they're all like, this is the next winnowing process of 1%, you know,

1% go to college and 99% don't. and now of that one percent you know one percent are going to go to the NFL of that one percent not to borrow a race from urban i feel like the only group we're going to have any sort of opinions on as a class of people the college football fan um is quarterbacks yeah like christian hackenberg has been a constant a constant subject for about three years now and will remain so um just because no one knows if he's a quarterback like literally should he even be playing football he might be he might be really good i have no no there's no telling so like other than other than quarterback and especially like the quarterback who

played like three or four years they're all fine every player's good some are some are great but every player's good yeah or this like okay in our current mock draft as proposed by dan kedar expert he has the Dallas Cowboys taking Joey Bosa defensive end Ohio State okay Joey Bosa in college is an absolute badass okay and if I project if I project your Ohio State defensive ends up at the next level it just it's not it's not the most confident move for me I'm not I'm not really totally feeling it I know I know we've had there's been successes Okay, but it's not the, like, big shiny move that somebody, like, if you have, say, the Jaguars drafting Miles Jack at Weinbacker, like, oh, oh, shit, yeah, that makes sense. Do that.

Yeah, perhaps. I mean, part of that could be, like, Bosa's last season as kind of a dud as far as the numbers go. Like, you know, there are a few moments when you look up in, like, Illinois's blocking him with four people or whatever, but the numbers just weren't there this past year. so maybe that's part of it i don't know i don't know not to get too serious but stephen white stephen white called it with bosa and remind everybody who did not read stephen white's excellent column on bosa what was that call he was just that he's you know he's good but he's not the he's not going to be the um the killer pass rusher that you would like to think he is right i think stephen's argument was sort of that uh bosa's basically already hit a ceiling was that sort of the of it. Right. You want to avoid

the middle schooler. Like in every single situation, like this was Chris Leak at Florida, for instance. Like, Chris Leak ended up doing just fine at Florida. But Chris Leak probably athletically peaked in high school, right? Like, he peaked his senior year. And then from there on, it was a matter of managing that

talent. There was no next developmental step to take. He was not going to get taller. He was not going to get, you know, better at recognizing reads. You were just going to be able to polish this thing, which was always going to be, what, an 88 out of hundred, right? That was as good as he could get. Whereas if you look in this draft and you go, well, how good could Laramie Tunsel get? Well, shit, Laramie Tunsel could get a whole lot better.

He wasn't asked to do anything too complex in terms of blocking and he could get bigger and stronger, right? Yeah. Like there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of potential growth curve left for Laramie Tunsell. I just worry that somebody like Bosa, Bosa might be a, he might be the middle schooler in this draft, right? Like, he was really impressive at Ohio State. That's maybe as impressive as he could get. Yeah. It's interesting.

Why is it from the, I mean, this is like, there's, it always seems to be a tendency with NFL, especially with draft Twitter this time of year. They sort of lump anyone from a school together. Like, everyone from Ohio State is this profile. Everyone from, or, every defensive player from Oregon is going to be, eh when they get to the NFL every is it like

like every Oregon defender is going to be oh they're fast finesse guys or like that kind of stereotyping? Yeah the Dion Jordan you know everyone's going to everyone any defensive end from Oregon is going to be Dion Jordan that's right right so they're looking at DeForest Buckner and thinking we don't want another Dion Jordan right

yes even though he's like you know much stouter and you know stronger and all that stuff like the phrase with Dion Jordan that always came to mind for me is I was like ooh he's surprisingly lanky. Like, not exactly, not what you'd want, right? Like, you know, you kind of, people were talking about him in the draft,

and I was like, he's a little light in the biscuits, man. Like, he's not, that is not somebody who, when he walked on the field, you went, wow, I bet he hurts a chair when he sits on it, right? I think part of that in specific is Pact 12 pass rushers to me. You can go back and look at the numbers, and I'm not being a regionalist here, but you can look at the numbers, and Pact 12 pass rushers don't quite predict. do set the next level, uh, as a whole, always obvious exceptions. But yeah, I, I sort of feel like they don't face very large offensive linemen, you know, and then you, then you, then you, then you,

then you, then you ramp up the offensive line size by 20 pounds across the board and it doesn't quite line up. I mean, Buckner could be the exception. There always are, but I will say, I will say this, Ryan, in defensive, I will try to defend NFL draft Twitter as much as I can. Oh, man. I know, because you know my natural my natural impulse is to just back my ass up ass up and just shit all over it i don't want to do that okay like that's that's my first impulse and i'm going to fight that okay in order to be a better and more compassionate human being and i think jason will back me up on this that that siloing of recruits into different kind of brands right like well it's a defensive end from oregon right or it's an offensive

tackle from uh alabama they're looking for those specific categories right like they're they have systems and they tend to crank out uh the same kind of player i think the schools that make it toughest for that are schools like tc u where they take tweeners or they take players who might be a hybrid or might be sort of in between one position or another and then turn them into stuff like i don't blame anybody for being real confused about josh dachson because josh dotson plays in a system first of all where he's going to get the ball a lot And two, he is, you know, he's a guy who I think in theory could probably play two or three positions. He's just that gifted an athlete.

He just happens to be a ridiculously productive wide receiver within a system. So like when you're looking at like what silos to sort of pick a player out on, it gets real confusing when you get to a hybrid player. And I just think that's like organizationally, that's hard for somebody to look at analytically, right? Like, I think analytically you want to reduce things to simple variables for players that you're going to spend a lot of money on. And it gets really complex when you look at somebody like him or like Corey Coleman. Cory Coleman out of Baylor is another example of a player who he's in a system and he was a badass in that system. What's going to happen when I put him somewhere else? Is he going to have the same value?

Right. And defensively, too, like defensively, I have sympathy for that too. because, like, I don't know, what do you do with a Will Fuller, right? Is he a wide receiver? Is he a cornerback? Do I just have him returning kicks? Right? Like, that's difficult for me to figure out as an analyst because I'm trying to reduce things to a really pitchable, easy, understandable level in terms of variables.

And value in football, because you have 11 players on the field any time, is a lot about context. So I get that. I have some sympathy for that. so like there's the one brand that's you know if someone comes to you and they say hey in this mock draft next year we got an Alabama defensive tackle at like 14 you say fine book it you know Alabama starting defensive tackle in the top 20 yep that'll happen there's that and then there's also the other side which is like you know this big 12 quarterback threw for 5,000 yards and he'll be like

a six round pick that sound fine you'd say perhaps probably so like there's the two sides of it where certain schools and certain conferences have sort of a track record that you just say that I guess that works in their favor but like I don't know I mean I guess against the SEC it'd probably be like quarterbacks I don't know I don't know yeah I mean I'm interested to hear what your perspective is on that Ryan like is that fair to do that you know like I think Jason I have said that like yeah to an extent it's fair to do that because schools look for for particular types of players yeah and you always see it more with like offensive line i mean the certain groups linemen groups i mean you know

on both sides of the ball there's i feel like alabama offensive linemen are always pretty good but they're always kind of beat up when they get to the nfl i mean you're always you're never going to get it seems like you're never going to get much mileage out of them because somebody's already running pretty ragged by the time they get to to the pro or I wonder why the annual admission by like four Alabama starters that they like broke their legs in week three and played through it that happens every year yeah like I remember being really excited when a certain team took um oh hell I can't think of his name now because it was such a it was such a grand disappointment was the center from Alabama in 2013 uh Barrett Jones

Barrett Jones yes Barrett Jones could play all five spots on the line if you really had to outstanding career and then he comes to the NFL is like super smart dude like like ridiculously intelligent guy which you want in a center I mean like people you really need a smart guy

in the middle of your offensive line and then sure enough he's just like he's got foot surgery in the off season he's got to have he's got knee surgery he's got to have in the off season he just like and I don't even know I mean he might have been on a practice squad somewhere last year he's

he's sort of the flip side to the Russell Wilson which, like, Russell Wilson, if you had told college football fans, Russell Wilson is going to go three rounds after Ryan Tannahill, they would have laughed at you until, you know, until they collapsed, because that's incomprehensible. Every college football fan would have said Russell Wilson should be a top 10 pick. I don't give a shit how tall he is. We would also said the same about Barrett Jones.

So only listen to us sometimes. Right. I'm sure Barrett Jones is still a quality player, if healthy, but. And who's that guy this year? Who's the guy this year that's just going to be? Cardale Jones. For everyone but Ohio State fans. Man, Cardale.

Because they actually saw his 2015. That's another thing. With quarterbacks, like, I feel like there needs to be some agreement between college quarterbacks and quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators and the NFL. They need to come into a truce, and they need to say this. And understand, playing, this is my best analogy for it, is this, that every one of the NFL at quarterback goes to law school and that you're going to for three years you're going to not do much and you're just going to look at a bunch of arcane rules and stuff and then and in year

four you're going to learn actually how to do your job right like no one goes to law school to actually become a lawyer right you go to say that you've gone to law school and then you have to learn to practice law right that that's quarterback nobody touches nobody touches a case file or a docket or seize a judge for three years because if you look at people in the NFL have been successful in those first three years it ain't good and it's a lot of extremely like people who are so physically gifted they couldn't help but be successful within the right context right like Colin Kaepernick like Colin Kaepernick was so physically overpowering so dominant so gifted that when he had a quarterback coach like Jim Harbaugh.

right who could just put him in a real simple system he just went nuts or cam newton somebody who is cam newton by the way best college football player i've ever seen like ever as we said last like two weeks ago 50 touchdowns dude accounted for 50 touchdowns in a season by himself from the quarterback spot while giving significant carries to the running back like an absolutely freak physically those are the people who do well and i think like draft Twitter, if, you know, I can just hedge a really general criticism, everyone who wants to say that a quarterback is a failure, those are mostly engineered failures.

They're mostly failures of a system because no one should be playing a position that complex for at least three years. And end of sermon, end of quasi-rant, but like three years. It's just that hard. Yeah, on that note, in defense of our guy King Cardale, like we saw him under Tom Herman, tear apart, Alabama, you know, tear apart, Oregon, Terrapart, Wisconsin. And then we saw him under this sort of slapped together multi-o-C thing where they were moving

upstairs and downstairs and eventually Zeke Elliott took over and things didn't go so well. So I just throw all that out and just look at his 2014 touchdowns and his tweets, which are good. Do you know the most terrifying thing to me here, like is this. I'm going to just read where this is quarterback situations. Number two, Cleveland Browns, Jared Goff. Like, what am I supposed to do with that? You're just setting them up to fail. So, like, on that note, like, RVB, why wouldn't they just draft, like, you know, offensive linemen?

Because, like, they're going to be back here next year. Get a quarterback then. I don't understand that either. Why do they always draft a quarterback with nothing around him? And then he's surprised when he dies. So you've got RG3, find some second or third round developmental guy, take a shot on him, get some linemen, because they lost all their linemen in the offseason.

And it's, yeah, I don't know. It's that weird. They put that value on quarterbacks, and then it's the expectation that because we took you in round one, you're going to have to play right away. and if you're not Andrew Luck or Cam Newton then to hell with you sort of thing and three years are ruined and we're right back

picking some other poor poor sucker like build the nest before you put the baby bird in it. Exactly exactly the San Bradford rule our beautiful beautiful baby bird Bradford still falls out of the nest and breaks his collarbone

it doesn't help the NFL has a bad dumb stupid coaches. Yeah, well, that and this. I mean, on paper, the Browns could kind of have a plan, right? Like on paper, on paper, like, oh, let our G3 play like, you know, three or four years, and then we bring on Jared Goff, who will have learned all kinds of stuff.

Like on paper, that works. They just have to stay committed to it for three or four years. I want you to think about your decisions regarding your telephone service, home internet, and other utilities. How long, three or four years is a real long time before you're like, ah, screw AT&T. I'm going to Verizon. So like RG3, I feel that's the one that we as college football people have a particular interest in.

They say Hugh Jackson is like, you know, a really good fit for him. Do you feel this is true? I mean, he's better than a lot of coaches would be. I mean, he's smart enough to recognize what players can do well and not, try to say not try to force a player to play his way you know has that ever happened rg3 before briefly in 2012 and then the NFL yeah and then and then what happened well then the shanahan's put their shan got their shanahan all over him and and these are on dan sniner too the owners you got the owners really can screw things up i mean that i mean that's the thing

with the Cleveland Browns. It's like, that sounds good on paper. Let RG3 do this for two or three years while Jared Goff, you know, sits on the bench, learns the ins and outs of it all. But you know, Jimmy Haslam's, you know, they're going to go four, four and 12 this year and five and 11 next year, and Jimmy Haslam's going to be furious. And he'll just blow it up again. Yeah. I'll fire the coach, draft another quarterback. Yeah. And that then being, then saying that's two years down the road is really probably more generous of Jimmy has than anyone should ever be. Could be any minute now.

It really could. Okay. Now, to be fair, Ryan, what are things that college fans might not understand and are, like, overly sensitive about here? Because we can do the, like, make fun of NFL draft all day. Which, by the way, you can do because the NFL draft and the NFL draft community in the Twitter, they're extremely mockable.

Like there's a number, like the cartoonish cloaked racism among a minority of NFL scouts, right, is one thing that's extremely mockable. Another thing is the commitment to analytics in a sport where so many things can go wrong, i.e., you know, oh yeah, this guy's just like a guarantee. Is anyone a guarantee in a sport where a helmet can hit a knee? where you have random violent collisions between large people happening on the field no

you're going to look absurd even if you do all your due diligence and three the willing misunderstanding sometimes of what happened in college to a player is and the disregarding of any of their success sometimes

or their failures is hilarious to us we could make fun of that all night I would like to go the other way and ask like what's mockable what's wrong what do like college people completely misunderstand about the NFL draft process what can we do better for you golly gee um I don't really know to be honest with you it's it's hard to say it's you've got

I mean the expectation it just players are going to have to play right away and there's just that sort of, you know, the expectation that, well, because this is the NFL, you have to be sort of at that NFL level immediately, whether, you know, you like it or not, or I don't know, that's a good question. I've never really thought about it from that perspective. What about, what about the notion that, like, college football fans just stay irrationally attached to players? Like, No, the Tebow, like, I think the least literate and most passionate example of that would be the Tebow phenomenon. Yes. He just needs a chance.

Yes. Yes. And we still get emails about that. That's the best part about the Tim Tebow phenomenon. And it always happens. When did you get your last email about the Tim Tebow phenomenon? It's hard to say with email. I don't have the best track record with checking out.

He would not know about that. I would say I probably had a tweet about Tim Tebow in my mentions, you know, within the last week. Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah. God damn. And it's not like, I mean, and I don't have like a tremendous amount of followers or anything.

It's not like, you know, I just, you know, you're going to get some in by sheer, you know, by having a wider net. It's a, yeah, no, it's targeted Tebow stuff. I don't know what it is. This is like somebody, like people tweeting at us. like bring Phil Fulmer back he just needs a chance he just needs one more

chance yeah so the economics of it I mean I guess that makes a big difference for that and the churn rate your sport has economics wait no money money money can only ruin a sport

I think that's the single most irritating thing about college football Twitter when it comes to the draft is uh you know you get this sort of congrats to our guys they're going off to get paid and you say well you know the NCAA makes nine billion dollars a year in your school brings in uh millions and millions maybe they could get paid sooner stop it that's no that's no you can't pay the players it ruins everything congrats to our guys who left in two and a half years and are getting paid though and then there's this flurry of Darren Robell tweets about how they wouldn't really get paid anything

yeah they'd only get paid some actual money instead of nine six dollars six dollars and seventy eight cents i'm like well listen like can i can i give you like the the complete like the complete counter argument to that is this is if i give if i go up and i just you know like get a sandwich right and i walk away and somebody's like hey i need 629 for that sandwich, right? Players would only get $6.29 cents. That's misdemeanor theft.

That's anywhere else you walk out with that sandwich, you're walking out in cuffs. Right? We're at least having, or this, we're at least having a discussion with the manager. And yet at the amateur level, it's like, no, no, no, this is codified tradition. No, you're stealing a sandwich. That's dumb as hell. You're just legitimating theft at any level.

When that five guys' manager raises his voice at you, you just pay him with knowledge. Because as we know, it is as good as any currency. Pay him with some math problems, some Shakespeare quotes. I go drink three beers at Thirsty Thursdays, okay? Thirsty Thursdays down at Sharky's. in Gainesville, right? And I go and do that, and it's like eight bucks, and I'll walk out, I'm like, listen, bro,

intersectional feminism. You're welcome. Bye. Like, that's... Boom. Boom. Just read the wiki. I ain't got time. Just gave you an education. You're welcome. You're now... Three pitchers. That will be one B.A. and communications.

You're now half woke. You're going to have to get to the other half, bro. Like, that's... It's just dumb as hell. The other thing that college fans do besides maintaining a loyalty to players past the point of rationality. Like Florida fans, I think, with Tebow, are like, no, I saw him throw. It was going to be kind of a mess.

Florida fans with Tebow is like Georgians with outcast reuniting. It was a good. It's just giving it another minute. It'll happen. They're working on a new album. Any minute now. Delivering it's sidearm. Boom, Idaho Wild 2.

like yeah like no it's not happening right go shankonia shankonia like that's not happening and that throw went a quim awry oh oh man you rosa parked that one that is impressive um i'm gonna recover from that for a moment okay we have some questions we should questions we oh yeah we got some read your questions here. Jason's in charge of all of them tonight. Jason, Jason, Fire Mattis. All right, so first of all, RVB from Metro Bro Man on Twitter, DBBM-5-2. Decifer that amongst yourselves. How long until Bears fans boo their own draft pick being selected? Are the Bears known as in as, like we know that, we know the Jets boo everything.

Are the Bears up there, too? Well, since they've moved it to Chicago, the Bears fans have had a little more have had to try to they're kind of like the working man's version of the working man's jets fans oh shit that is

they will boo the pick almost immediately yeah they will they'll move the pick almost immediately but then they'll be like then the Bears fans everywhere else be like this guy is going to be the greatest

thing ever to happen I can't believe that we drafted him we are going to be so good next year fuck Aaron Rogers so they won't follow through No, they won't follow through. And then in October, what happened?

And they'll be ready to just, you know, send the guy pack him. Are they... He's the next Chey McClellan! Is it like they're trying to steal the Jets fans bit? Yeah, that really is kind of what it is. Well, they are the second city, so it's not like they're going to be first. It's not like they're going to be first with the gimmick. Hit the Alicia Keys.

New York invented complaining about draft picks. New York invented booing. no no everyone knows that was philly everyone knows that was philly we can't even joke about that this is one we can't even give to you new york sorry i like this though chicago does have a lot i mean spiteful sports fandom is a pretty good tradition i mean there's an ingrained tradition of that in chicago i think anywhere in the midwest you're going to find that yeah in a lot of ways midwest and northeast yeah a lot of that like the nation left us and passed us by oh oh Oh, we're like America's first job. We remember it fondly, but we don't go back to the office. Like Boston and Philly are our two oldest cities, and they're the nastiest, meanest, crappiest places on the planet. That's why everyone goes to California,

and they're like, it's the furthest away from Boston. That's why it's wonderful. It's everything Boston isn't, literally. Warm, drivable. No one wants to hang out. Everyone wants to be alone. great. That sounds terrific. That sounds awesome. You can get a decent hamburger. There's no good Italian food. It's a real dream. Do we have another question, Jason? We do. From T.J. Ramsey 44 on

Twitter, when in history were you the most confident a team with the first overall pick would find a way to screw up? Okay, okay. I'm going to have to go back and look at historical draft order. Okay. This year, of course, it is the Titans, right? Is that correct? Oh, boy, that might be this year. Yeah. I mean, they've got some good options, but they're the Titans.

That's a tough question, because you almost need a time window on that. I mean, like, okay, last decade, last 20 years. Yeah, because it's really easy to say, like, oh, yeah, I saw that Jim Marcus Russell thing coming. Like, no, no, you didn't. Shut up, no, you didn't. No, you didn't. Like, I guess it sort of has to be what you thought going in, I guess. Um, I will state this.

This year is a strong candidate because it's the Titans organization. And they've done very little in the way of convincing anyone that they're capable of doing anything confidently. Okay. Like, like they might accidentally draft a quarterback again. It's possible. They might pull a Mike Tice, just completely missed the pick. and just forget to file a pick whatsoever. Still the greatest NFL draft moment ever.

The Vikings just say, nah. The Vikings just punt. We literally, we punted on a chance to pick up a position. Mike Tice stood up and said, I yield the floor, your honor. I bet on the witness. No further witnesses. No further traffic, your honor.

I would maybe I mean I don't want to rule I know Winston had a solid rookie season but that's also Tampa Bay and the glazers when the glazers are involved in things they don't usually work no not at all

they just tend to over leverage that's it it's an amazing business strategy is to over leverage everything you do by borrowing a lot of money to cover your debts Can I actually give you the honest answer? I went and looked it up. And the honest answer for me is 2003 with the Bengals. Because if you remember, like, the Bengals are a quasi-competent team and organization now, right?

That wasn't always the case. Okay? Like, historically, they've been a joke. So I think 2003, I believe, is the year when they have a chance. And they end up drafting Carson Palmer, who, over time becomes a really good quarterback, both for them and other people. So they didn't actually screw that up.

But that was the number one team where I was most convinced they would make a serious mistake. And before that, it would probably be 2000. Because, let's see, RVB... You're skipping over somebody. No, no, no. I'm leaving that for you, my friend.

Okay. Although, actually, to be fair, we traded for the 2001. number one pick so that is correct that is correct you could if if you saw that one coming you didn't skip we meeting the Atlanta Falcons a team that Jason we mean we meaning just me I'm not I'm not implicating anyone else here in that for reasons I cannot understand the other time would be 2000 do you remember who had the number one draft pick if I tell you the year 2000 RVB Cleveland that is correct and who did they end up drafting in

2000 um the year before 99 was Tim Couch they had the number of pick two years in the row they did and uh it would it'd be Courtney brown at defensive yeah now can I give you by the way can I just give you a draft where I'm not saying all these people were failures but man there are there are some there are some genuinely curious picks in here okay the 2000 draft Cleveland drafts Courtney Brown First Okay

Which that worked out Not really Redskins draft LeVar Arrington Redskins who have the third pick too Draft Chris Samuels A tackle at Alabama And number four of the Bengals Russian in the door

They draft They draft Peter Warwick at wide receiver out of Florida State Ravis make a good pick Jamal Lewis I know he did time for dealing Coke but he was a good running back ends up setting a record or two. They drafted him out of Tennessee

at 5th. Corey Simon at defensive tackle for the Eagles Cardinals end up drafting Thomas Jones at running back out of Virginia that doesn't really work out I'm not laughing at the Steelers for this it was a good pick and he's a great wide receiver he just ended up doing something stupid with a pair

of sweatpants, Placico Burris at a Michigan State ends up getting that eight spot the Bears we were just crapping on them but congratulations you drafted earlacker at middle linebacker out of New Mexico Baltimore Ravens you made an error

10 spot you draft Travis Taylor out of Florida never never draft a Florida offensive player just don't unless his name's Fred Taylor or his son of Fred Taylor just don't do it you draft Travis Taylor maybe you thought he was related to Fred Taylor I won't blame you Yeah Fred's cousin

Fred's cousin Fred's cousin that's how you got this spot well good you got a signing bonus and you stole it because you weren't that great i'm just going to go like a couple of selectively at this point um that would be the san francis the the oakland raiders at 17 draft a kicker they draft sebastian jennikowski which i'm just going to i'm just going to say that's a hell of a kicker that's a damn fine pick i don't care first round i got no problem if you're going to draft him draft Sebastian Janakowski damn it he could hit from 70

he's an absolute miracle worker of a kicker so the most consistent raider of the last 16 years yeah so man I'm not I can't make too much fun of you for that that was pretty good that ended up being pretty awesome for you way to go but I will tell you that that's seriously one of the

best picks in raider history right he's probably the only hall of famer in the first round from that draft whew damn also this was my this was one of my favorite drafts ever both for the high the high failure rate across the board and because laverinews coals who got kicked off the team by bobby bowden uh because peter warwick stole something that's actually what happened laverine whose coals fell in the middle of his 40 and still ran like a four or five oh jesus yeah no he was sick fast and he ended up having a better career than peter warwick so Good for you, Laverro News. I hope everything's going well for you.

Jason, we got another question? Yeah, we do. This one will be one for everybody. From Jim Gbo. Oh, the Gax on Twitter. Bigger crapshoot. College football recruiting or the NFL draft after the second round. Ooh.

Which, RBB, give us some sort of a sense of, I guess these days it's different because they break it up by day. so teams sort of have a chance to reset and everyone gets sort of a I guess there's less chance you get you get swindled by Bill Belichick if you actually have a full day to gather your bearings but after the first round our team's panicking as things falling apart out there no I mean not really you know it's there's sort of a science to it and even the bad teams that maybe can are lucky to win four games a season can do okay If you stick to certain things in the draft, like, you know, find some offensive line. There's guards. There's guards down there that you can usually count on for a few games at least. It's, you know, kickers, punters. You can always grab those guys late and they're okay. I mean, it's not bad running backs nowadays.

Running backs are a good safe pick in the middle part of the draft. So it's not a crap. I mean, you can be really dumb about it and still be okay. with, you know, five or six picks after the first round. I guess I'd say the two things that the NFL has going for it here are, one is they have so commodified humans that they've got them all ranked that if there's, you know, this running back goes, fine, grab the next one. We've ranked 87 of them.

Get the next one. You know, we'll pay him some money. He'll probably get hurt. We'll draft another one in two years. fine. If your top defensive end goes, great. Grab the next one. Like you don't have to spend time courting the next one and flip him away from your rival and, you know, pretend you care about him as a human and all this stuff that college coaches have to do. So I guess they've got it down to such a cold hard science that, you know, it's just, yeah, yeah. The worst that can happen is you get your next favorite guy. There's, that and there's also um you know i'm going to be honest i forgot the other one but that alone that's that's a pretty pretty big advantage i would i would say this that like the things i make fun of the things that laugh hardest at when you look at a draft is when somebody picks like

a college wide receiver i would pick wide receivers based on how obscure they are like like sight unseen that would be my only rule somebody would say you have an algorithm for that i'm like Nope, nope, I don't. I really don't. I'm just going to look for, like, this is what I'm looking for in a wide receiver. And I don't know how many NFL GMs understand that. What I want is a wide receiver who made spectacular catches despite playing in a shit offense. Okay?

I want wide receivers who had terrible quarterbacks who put up huge numbers. And I want wide receivers who come from either small schools or so overwhelmingly powerful. Like, I think this would be a great litmus test for me if you're an NFL GM. go to a college fan and be like hey man who's a player that you can name who's on a school you can't name because t y hilton is that dude right like t y hilton t y hilton was f i u and t yelton at f i u by the way was absolute fire like everyone knew who he was like oh that dude yeah he's on the wrong team like that's like go find a wide receiver not who was on the right team like Julio Jones is weird.

Julio Jones is an astonishing athlete and a fantastic wide receiver who played at Alabama. He is the exception because he played on a marquee team and was awesome, right? Whereas if you look at everyone else who's competing here, right, where did Antonio Brown go to school? Central Michigan, okay? Like, where did Brandon Marshall go? Brandon Marshall went to UCF. I am going mid-major. I'm going to find, like, the biggest dude on a mid-major team

and be like, you are my starting wide receiver. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that you will absolutely rip shit up. There are guys in the top 10, top 15 receiving, who played on major schools, okay? But then there's like Brandon Cooks. We play in Oregon State. And he's absolutely incredible, right?

By the way, I built in that rule about playing brilliantly in a crap offense just for LSU-wide receivers, not for anyone else, just for LSU-wide receivers. I would draft five-deep on LSU-wide receivers because they're criminally underused. I think we have to include O'Dell here because it's, you know, it's an FCS offense with an NFL defense every year, basically.

I'm just kidding, LSU fans. I defend your quarterbacks all the time. Like, does this apply to other positions, too? Is it just, if you're the man on, a small school, then that carries some extra. There's a surprising amount of quarterbacks from smaller schools, too. Yeah, this is the year

of the mid-major FCS quarterback. Yeah. Including Cal. Dude, Jarvis Landry. Basically, if you are a guy who bleaches part of your hair and comes from the LSU depth chart at wide receiver, just take them because you know what their potential is?

More than they've displayed. Like, if you have 800 yards receiving an LSU with that offense, you can do 1,600 in the NFL, no problem. Done, just pick them up, right? And if you look at the top 10 for quarterbacks in the NFL, like, it's, I mean, there are some majors in there,

yeah, but there's also Boston College. There's Old Miss, shut up, don't act like old is crazy. It's not a major quarterback school. Look who their quarterbacks are. Bo Wallace. No, Bo Wallace is not. go to the NFL. Shut up.

His last name's Manning. That's the primary determinative of his success. The elite quarterback of them all came from Delaware, so. Exactly. Yep. Flacco came from Delaware. Ben Rothberg came from Miami. Okay. Derek Carr's, Fresno

State. Russell Wilson went to two schools that didn't know how to use him, right? Wisconsin and NC State. Actually, it was pretty well understood at Wisconsin in terms of how he function. But whatever. Okay. James Winston went to Florida State. Their quarterback facts suck.

I didn't, they've actually been pretty good. I just wanted to say that. But yeah, if you're like the obvious dude at a small school, take that guy. Take him. All that dude wants to do is wreck shop. I feel there's... Tyler Lockett. Oh, listen.

Can I give you, Tyler Lockett is like the premier case for me of take that guy, shut up. Like, that's one of those times when I refer to being. an old school college football fan and being like, why the hell did you not snap him up? Why was he not a first round draft pick, right? Like, why was he not an obvious, like, get him, do anything to get him? Because all you see is a crap ass Kansas State offense handing the ball to Tyler Lockett and he just destroyed people over and over and over again, to a degree above the standard deviation we would accept from a standard Big 12 defense, right?

Everyone's going to torch a Big 12 defense. Tyler Lockett went above and beyond that. Like, guy just got open no matter what was happening, no matter what human Jug's gun was throwing to him. He was incredible. I'll say Tyler Lockett was for sure last year's Russell Wilson for the college football fan. So that increases our hit rate a little bit because, you know. We're at least like 23%.

Tyler Lockett would have been a first rounder on every college football fan's board without a question. I guess we just like the 5-9-ish guys, you know, whatever position they play. That's fine. And another one last year would have been Tevin Coleman. Oh, yes. Absolutely. So, you know, he was literally, like, he wasn't just the man on a mid-major team against other mid-majors. He was the man against Big Ten teams all by himself.

Yeah. Although there is this, by the way. And I don't really know how it happened. But you know who was 9th in rushing yards last year somehow in the NFL? And a college fan would have said, no way. Impossible. Ninth, 9th would be Frank Gore at Indianapolis. Which Frank Gore, when he came out of college, had already, like, blown five ACLs on each knee.

Like, he'd gone through, like, he'd gone through a morgue's worth of corpse-donated ACLs by the time he came out. We're like, nope, nope, don't touch him. That's all pro. Are you sure he ran for all those yards last? year he might have just been walking and folks were like you know what respect to frank gore he's unkillable just everyone get out of fred he's 32 he's 30 god that's that's like that's like 90 in running back years yeah don't don't hit him hard watch this frank gore's gonna run for a thousand yards next year he damn near did it last year is it 967 you're like wow man you just got like a series

of post it notes and paper clips for ACLs and he's like what got a thousand there we'll end it there that's great the pep hamilton offense well we'll end we'll end well