Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 4.24.0

Episode Date: July 13, 2016

WE BACK. The summer preview quite literally rolls on, at least in Jason's case, since he recorded his portion in the car this week in transit to SEC Media Days. Does Jason, recording in his car on a phone over the ineptly paved and uneven highways of Alabama, still sound better than recording over Indiana internet? Yes, yes it does. You're better than Indiana at something, Alabama! STICK THAT CHEST OUT AND ROLL TIDE. This one is...actually good? Actually GREAT. The teams this week are: --MICHIGAN STATE. A team that somehow feels like they'll be fine by scoring fewer points, playing uglier football, and losing a quarterback whose personality was considered cancerous even by NFL quarterback standards. Then again: when has an experienced backup upperclassman being considered a given at QB ever gone wrong, we ask, when, when in the entire history of say, Florida football has that ever gone wro-- --NC State! They're definitely a football team? They have a pretty good defense? They'll play sort of ineffective offense, but do it quickly? They're in the ACC, and not named Florida State or Clemson, so [bucket of shrug emojis]? --GEORGIA. A preview where we definitely do not say that Kirby Smart is Will Muschamp part 2, and where Jason yells out "ALL DAWGS MATTER" after suggesting you can get an undergraduate degree in conservative talk radio at the University of Georgia. Remember when Grayson Lambert went 24 for 25 against South Carolina, and was going to win the Heisman, and then five months later Mark Richt was coaching Miami? We do. --Louisville! Summary: Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson --TCU. Where when you play Pokemon Go, you find Gary Patterson and you find a Squirtle. We all agree that they're going to go 11-1, which is nothing but doom for TCU. SQUIRTLE WINS. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown full cast. I am Spencer Hall, editorial director at SB Nation, founder of Every Day Should Be Saturday. Hey, we're doing previews. Yet more previews. I know it's Media Week in terms of SEC Media Days, but they're largely just, let's not even pay attention to them. Unless you enjoy watching Dan Mullen stick his foot in his mouth, which he's more flexible than you think, because he can get away in there. He can get both of them way in there. He'll do it while wearing Yeezies, which will distract you from.

from the location of his foot. Crout's like the easies. Croutes like the easies. Don't so much like talking about, you know, beating a lady up, one of your players, et cetera. Yeah, so we're not really paying too much attention to that. We'd rather talk about football, actual football, that's going to happen in terms of a preview,

joining us to do that from the road, from the road, where he was at SEC Media. you days jason kirk hey first of all i'd like to say uh happy birthday to our dad spencer hall uterine exulsion i believe he's 29 years old today that's what you say to people who are definitely not 29 years old makes them feel good yeah i'm off the i'm off the calendar now that's what uh it's like being off the grid yeah no it's it's i believe this is a caribbean saying that you know when you hit a certain age they're just like ah you're old what if my What if Mike Gundy's rant was actually not about defending one of his players and the media and all that,

but it was just his way of throwing off people what age he really was. What if Mike Gundy was like 46? He was like, I know, I'll throw a tantrum, and I'll insist that I'm 40. What if Mike Gundy is perpetually 40 years old? Ooh, that's good, too. I'm a man, and I have been 40 for centuries. Centuries. As is the curse of my ilk.

And I've been at Oklahoma State. whole time. I've been in Oklahoma State the whole time with my, with my maker, T. Boone Pickens. Edward Oilhands. That's the relationship. I've been, is a, is a gollum. Maker and Spawn.

That's their relationship. We figured it out. I was talking to somebody today about Edward Scissorhands. Even if the, even if, you know, he had finished making him, he still wouldn't have had work and fucking fingers. He would have just had fingers that could, like, pivot it on a hinge. You can't pick anything up with hands made

of scissors. That's a bad fucking plan. If you have like kindergarten scissors, you can pick stuff up. Yeah, but then you're just chop-sticking everything. Like, how are you supposed to pour a glass of water or something? I'm telling you, though, hell of a defensive end, Edward's scissor hands.

Oh, you stabbed me! That's not even legal. Sorry, you need to learn how to play in the SEC, son. Hey, play on. It might be best as a wide receiver. Let the scissor hands play. Like when they say, he stuck the big paw up and came down with the one-handed stab, that'd be literal. Made my gunny's hair look like a triceratops.

Yeah. We got some damn eastern Oklahoma topiary going on here. I will tell you this, though, that like the I'm a man, I'm 40 rant, relatable. Deeply, deeply relatable. Where are you going to do that? grocery store uh i've already done it today okay it involved it involved the piss poor state of my house and not being able to find my keys this isn't really this isn't really a 40 year old rant though by the way it's something i've done every week at least once a week for most of my

life so it's fine also you should know this remember how tangential that rant is my he's he's garage sale in it he's throwing a lot of different things in there it was obvious that there might have been three or four, maybe five different issues all coming to a head for Mike. I can't help with a think one of them was at least something in his sex life. Taxation ain't even legal. Am I being

detained? Yeah, like he mentions, you know, like he's like, oh, when some kid comes home, when he comes home crying, because he got cold, fat, or ugly. Like, oh, man, I don't want to get into your family life. But when you come home and your wife's ready for sexy time, and I don't know what happens to every man.

There's no proof. There's no proof. There's no Prove colorblindness should disqualify you from flying for the Air Force. Maybe people have dreams. Maybe those dreams die. Maybe you get new dreams and no matter how much money you make. Speaking of dead dreams, Michigan State, you're up. The team of dead dreams. They would own that, though.

Brand wise, right? Team of Dead Dreams is a very Michigan thing. East Lansing. Hope is a luxury. Hope is a luxury. And we're a blue-collar team. I think the very concept of dreams is disrespectful to Michigan State because it implies that things can ever be better, you know?

We're a reality-based program. We respect to here and now. Amplified reality, what's it called? Augmented, augmented reality. Augmented reality, that's Michigan. That's Michigan right now. Yeah. That's Michigan State, I always think when you describe yourself as a blue-collar team,

it's always just the worst foremouthing imaginable, right? Like, well, we're just a blue-collar team. Yeah, like you don't have four-star recruits. You know what? Social climbers are people who aren't willing to dig trenches. We just work really hard. Yeah, with like the $34 million you get from the Big Ten every year. I think if Michigan is Pokemon Go, Michigan State is just Go, like the ancient Japanese game where you do is just, well, you line four things up and then you win.

That's what we do. We go out there and we have three things in the room. row, and then we put down another rock. Who's the rapper the Michigan State gets paired up with this year? Is it 21 Savage? Low Luzi Vert's pretty hot. All the kids like him, so. Are we doing Kodak?

It's like, you listen to it out of sort of obligation and realize, wow, this is not for me. I'm too old. I'm too old for this. So, right up Mark goes out. I enjoy that there are rappers who are making young thug look old. At one point does he

actually adjust the young thug name? I'm just thug, just thug please. Mr. Thug. Moderately aged thug. Well, he said he wants to work with Elton John. So once they have that duets album, he's officially middle-aged thug.

Yeah, he's middle-aged thug. He goes to mature thug, grown thug. That is a hell of a way for us to get one separation between young thug and billy joel we're there it's amazing it's just it's just a it's just a slide over and action bronson's going to be so heated billy doesn't even know who he is i would actually enjoy an action bronson billy joel wine review show i was just thinking of the beef between action bronson and young thug for getting billy joel and billy jill has to like mediate it right yeah yeah guys guys guys this is nothing some

Shibli and a drive around the neighborhood can't fix. Maybe an interrupted drive. Maybe a drive through someone's house or two. Come on, boys. A bottle of red. A bottle of white. I can't figure out how to turn on the headlights. Oh, we got Billy Joel jokes.

That's real old shit right there. Happy birthday, Spencer. Happy birthday, buddy. All right, let's actually talk about Michigan State. Yeah, they lost something big. They lost one Connor, and they get an O'Connor. All they have it is the guy who beat Ohio State. Undefeated, undefeated as a starter last year.

Yeah, so they lose Connor Cook, which, judging from NFL Scouts, that 34 and 5 record, you won't, yeah, trash. Leaderless trash. Which I will say, Jay Barker, might have a point. Okay, okay. Well, yeah, I've been on the cutter. Yeah, yeah, you're making good points here. These are fine.

I do enjoy that his personality in person was so repellent as to actually obviate any actual physical talent he might have as a quarterback. Like, whew, that guy, he's just, man. And let's be clear, this is not the normal person's scale where you meet somebody. I'm like, oh, he seems like a prick. That's, you have to be really special to be a, a, for a quarterback, right? Athlete,

athlete, period. A dick compared to other pro athletes. Right, yeah. Like, that's a very, that's a very high standard. Well done, sir. You would think that would move you up. But it doesn't matter, because now they, as Jason mentioned, Tyler O'Connor, the most

dominant man in Big Ten? No, I can't even finish that sentence. And I won't. That was good, though. That was really good. I was trying. I was trying to say something nice about Michigan State. I like this, though, because Tyler O'Connor, to me, is a throwback Michigan State quarterback in that I expect nothing of him. Uh-huh.

Yeah. Absolutely nothing. Sure. We've had two Michigan State starters in a row who've been far too talented and competence for the mold of Michigan State quarterback. Let's dial this back a little bit. Let's get Tyler O'Connor. Let's get some grit.

Let's get, ooh, ooh, and he's an O'Connor. So, man, you are playing to the play the right way of crowd there by having him as a starter. it'll probably still matter because Conner Cook happened. Anybody worried about this defense? I'm not worried. I mean, I just, I don't particularly worry very much about their defense. I mean, just because it's an emphasis for Dantonio and always ask them. They still have Malik McDowell, who is terrifying, tackle for a loss machine.

They were kind of up and down last year on defense. Like, the thing about the defense was they would let teams hang around a lot longer than they probably should have. they were not great at stomping on your throat if you were. Yeah, they also had it. They also had like a, yeah, we'll talk about them. Let's talk about it. What happened in that game last year? Not good things.

But no, did they lose that game? I mean, the refs lost that game, Spencer. Let's be clear. Okay, yeah, okay, sure. You were handed, you were handed a loss by the referee, so. Sportsmanship lost the game. You need to put, so in other words, you need to put some of those reps on film and work a little harder against them this year.

That's what you're saying. Oh, they will. Trust me, they will. Now, they also lost a cornerback, which, you know, you lose a good cornerback. All of a sudden, the hinges start falling off of your secondary, and that makes everything worse than, like, your run-pass for it. It's a nightmare. But they do get Viante Copeland back.

So you at least got that to hang it on as a corner. I don't worry very much about their defense just because they have a defensive lineman you can name, which is always a rule, right? You're like, oh, man, they've got a D-Lyman you can name. I mean, he's going to tackle people for loss. So I don't worry about that. You know, they get Viante back a corner.

You kind of wonder, okay, get some steady production out of your line backing core. And then, hey, you've got a Mark Jan Antonio team. As long as you have a running back who's going to take the ball like 40 times a game. Yeah. With ease. And the schedule, the schedule sets up reasonably well. They get Ohio State and Michigan at home. They do have a little bit of an interesting non-conference schedule.

They go to Notre Dame and they host BYU. They also play Furman, Purple Paladin's fans out there. Hey. So I don't know. It's a weird question of what are the expectations when you have lost, you know, a program defining in some ways quarterback when you have some defensive turnover. But the schedule is not the worst. And the consensus across the board seems to be,

Yeah, they're going to finish third in the division, but they'll still be a top 20 team or so. I mean, if we said, okay, if you're looking for losses, right? Yeah. Like Luzden, Notre Dame. That's a tough game. Notre Dame is a better team top to bottom right now than Michigan State is, just in terms of talent on roster.

I don't know about sync. I don't know about chemistry. It's the second weekend of the season or the third weekend of the season, so you're still learning a lot about how people function. So, hey, that's a loss. Is it hailing on Jason's car? It just started raining pretty hard. Okay.

Okay, good, good. The rain follows Jason around in case you don't know. In fairness, we did call him at like 14.15 in the afternoon in the south in the summer. So. I'm like, who's the character and is Charlie Brown? You're pig pen in this case. Yeah, pig pen, but with rain, I guess. Yeah, if pig pen, if terrible audio quality followed pig pen everywhere, that would be.

Yeah, like, I was like, oh, good, I'm driving. Nothing bad can happen. And then, yeah, I got one of those, you know, trademarked Georgia Bama storms. How are their rap albums recorded and released from a prison phone that sound better than our podcast? You know, Pimpsey, produce them. That's why. Oh, shit. I can head back.

Oh, it's fine. It's fine. Sorry, Spencer. You were talking about Michigan State schedule. I was. I was. Find a loss. Okay.

That's it. Find your losses, okay? Yeah. They did lose to Nebraska last year, so anything's possible. Jason, if you mute yourself. See if you can mute, then would probably help for the moment. Because it's a really loud. That's a good idea. Hang on.

Yeah, why don't you mute? So, yeah, find a loss. That's your thing with Michigan State. It's trying to find a loss somewhere on this schedule. Prospector, turn up some gold for me for the opposition. Because there's not a lot here that looks like an obvious loss. Michigan, Michigan State, as bitter a rivalry game as you'll see. Yeah.

Not really willing to just lean into. Oh, yeah, that's a win for Michigan there. Now? Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, you can say, well, Michigan should have won this game last year. On the other hand, they didn't. And this time, they have to go to East Lansing. Ohio State, they beat last year on the road. So, yeah, I take your point, but.

I mean, I could see four loss. I mean, this is a schedule where you can pull four losses out of it, you know, which to me would make sense because it feels like with some of the turnover they've had and with a new starter, a quarterback, maybe they'll do for an eight and four or nine and three, right? It could be. I mean, I see three real plausible losses here. Notre Dame, Ohio, State, Michigan? Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's probably right. There are a couple in here that you sort of, they're, they're, question marks of sort of, well, what is that team at that point? BYU, October 8th is maybe in that category. Penn State at the end of the season. Hard to say what they'll be exactly. Yeah, but on the other hand, I wouldn't be shocked if they went through this schedule with one loss. No, I wouldn't be shocked at that either.

If they just turned out to, if they turned out to coalesce a lot faster around some of those points that you might think were weak, i.e., yeah, the new quarterback. Yeah, making sure their secondary is going to gel. And yeah, making sure that they've got some defensive pressure pressure. And also that LJ. Scott can, you know, handle the load at running back because that's what they're going to do. They're going to run to protect the defense and their new QD. So if they can do that and win ugly, I mean, this might be one of those like super win ugly years for Michigan State, which they're fine with because remember, uh, what do we say about them at the top? Blue collar, grit. Blue collar. Don't need fancy things. Don't need nice clothes. Buy these.

close at Walmart. It's fine. Yeah, Tyler, Tyler. I just want to unmute real quick and say 8 and 4, 9 and 3 sounds good to me. I'll take my answer off the year. Yeah, I'll go 9 and 3.

Tyler O'Connor's the big question mark, obviously. He's, because he's that weird, I've been in the program for years. I should know the system. I should have timing with the receivers. But he's only thrown 54 passes in his time at Michigan State.

Spencer, have you ever had an experience with a, I don't know, long, long on the roster, backup senior who's heralded as somebody who's really going to step in and take the reins and just flames out horribly? Nope, nope, I haven't, nope, never seen it. All right, happy birthday again. So, yeah, I'm happy with 9 and 3. Hey, speaking of Florida, I think, I have an important nugget from SEC Media Days for y'all. I overheard Yeah

Go ahead and tweet this out From the SBNishman account I overheard that Jim McElwain Is a big green egg man Jim McAwain is also Famed for not wearing socks And probably if I had to guess wears open-toed shoes a lot

Which to me suggest at some point Jim McAwain is going to have a very bad Foot cooking injury Oh like getting some grease on the toes Yeah Yeah, yeah. He goes loafer.

He's a loafer man. He's a penny loafer man? Yeah, you know what that means. It means that his feet, it means that his office stinks like feet. There's no way. There's nobody in the history of the planet who's ever worn loafers or socks without shoes without just getting the funk of a thousand ages into the AC vents. It's just, it's to accept it if you're going to live with them. Think of the calluses, though.

Yeah, oh, the calluses have to be insane. But it's a lot like living with a hound. You just have to accept that there's going to be a certain must in the air of Jim McElwain's around. Do we have feelings about NC State? I know there are people who do. Sure. And we respect you. Sure.

You've found a passion, and that's great. I'm glad you like things. That's what I have to say. I'm also would feel remiss if I said, if I did not say, we don't know anything ever. about NC State. Like, when was the last time I knew something definitively about NC State? Yeah, probably when Tom O'Brien was there. Even then, I don't feel like I knew things about them.

Probably just only on the specific night that they beat Florida State because you knew that, hey, they beat Florida State. Yeah. So to who, the several people who suggested that our NC State preview should just be that dude who took a shirt off and whipped it around his head during that game? Like the audio of that? Just that. I don't even know what the audio would do.

be, but just like, all right, if you're listening in the podcast, close your eyes. You're standing on a beach. It's the most beautiful beach you've ever seen. You're totally alone. It's silent. All you hear is the gentle lapping of the waves. Of a man's shirt going around

his head. You look to the horizon and you see that those waves are generated by a shirtless golden god who's whipping his shirt around his head in a frenzy. North Carolina. E.J. Manuel sucks. Take your shirt off.

He really did that. He really did that. And he's entered legend forever. Yeah. What's after platinum? I'm actually, you know what? I'm actually disappointed that NC State fans haven't made that a thing where like, like Wisconsin has jump around and everybody holds up the four and whatever.

I think NC State fans going forward should at the end of the third quarter, everybody takes their shirt off and just starts doing that. actual facts, by the way, just to get you straight. NC State, not a bad defense, by the way. Like, not. They're actually probably one of the better defenses in the ACC. They have to replace Jacoby Brissette, most likely with, I don't know, another quarterback who played at Florida, like one of the eight, right?

So in other words, they'll probably win a Heisman, right? I mean, I don't know about that. They have no Power 5 non-conference opponent. They, although they do have a road game against ECU. they have to play Notre Dame as one of them though that doesn't don't do this don't I mean they're not technically power not technically powerful sure sure sure I'm only I'm only sleeping at the ACC's house three nights a week I guess the thing about NC State this year

for me is they finally have a schedule like after some bullshit soft schedules and like literally soft is the shit from a bull Miami joins UNC is one of their cross-division games And they have to play Notre Dame So things are a little bit tougher than usual I don't know It feels like a repeat appearance in the Belk Bowl Seems right

Yeah I mean like what seven wins I mean Dave Doran's established the pattern You win seven games in the regular season And then you try to get to eight in the bowl game And I think that's probably Fine for the time being at NC State I don't know if it's a long term plan but yeah yeah he's sort of found the tom o'brien equilibrium how long can you

stay on that boogie board the vortex a real a real fun game by the way if you want to watch a real fun game and evolving these two teams they'll probably figure out their quarterback by then they have a new offensive coordinator i know i know i know we're going with this and i like it who runs an extreme hurry up yeah okay and you want to face another hurry up in like a game of acc ping pong unlike anything that you've seen in the conference for quite some time? Well, that would be NC State at Syracuse in the Carrier Dome.

Saturday, November 12th. I was hoping for a Thursday. Man, you know what, Jason, this is going to be the kind of game that you and Michael Felder, you hate. You're going to have problems with this game. It's a five and a half hour game. It's going to be a five and a half hour game that finishes

27, 24. Well, luckily, since it's on Saturday, no one will even notice it. You know what I mean? It'll just blow right through. This will be the thing that on Twitter, we're like, you need to go see this. It's like watching two dudes try to kill each other with pool noodles. It's going to be the game where you just look up like,

what time that game starts? This game started on Friday. The game started when? It'd be like very few weapons. A lot of energy. Tons of aggression. Slappers only. Slappers only.

It'll be delight. It'll be like watching two 110-pound boxers. Just go at it. 10 rounds So yeah I mean To Jason's point Schedule's a little tougher this year

So maybe I ding NC State down to six wins I take six and six This is going to be six and six Also like they're running back Is coming off of like a serious injury And they're counting on him to be the bell cow Yeah

This might be a little It's a little dodgy right now So I'm going six and six I'll stand with the pack and say seven Oh, oh, more meeting here than 6 and 6 somehow. Overruled. Hey, it's Georgia time, kids. I just saw Kirby Smart, Ace's first media days, boys.

It was an impressive performance. I have to grade him an A-plus for his showing out there. The message was just incredible. The words, the words and stuff. The passion. Did he filibuster it? yeah dude oh man uh i wasn't even in the main room at the time i just saw people tweeting like god damn he's still talking you know and you look at the time and it's like wow it's been nine

minutes and then got the transcript later and he came just a couple sentences shy of 2 000 words his opening statement yeah yeah you know who else did that he said much stuff that while he was up there in the little internet room which is where the coaches go either before or after the part you see on tv the moderator in there said uh okay um rest of the time here you're we're just not going to do opening statements because he realized this happened he took a vote and everyone said no no no no no opening statements please we don't want that we don't want that in our lives because everyone realized if governor kirby came in there he could use his full 10 minutes on his filibuster that's a smart politician that's time of possession man you don't give you don't

give the media the ball how can they ask you tough questions if they can't ask any run the dang talk yeah can i yeah run the dang talk remember who did that in messy c media days too yeah that's Will Must champ. Will Must champ. It wouldn't take up all 10 minutes just so we wouldn't actually have to answer any questions. Was Will Must Champ's thing naming all of his starters? Was that him? Or every player on the roster or something?

Yes. Yeah, yeah. The college football equivalent of reading the yellow pages? Exactly. He just filibustered the whole thing. He was like, here are different ways to play bid whist. And he just start going through. Hey, who's going to be starting at Running Back for Georgia when they play that game

against unc in the georgia dome uh let's see the name escapes my mind uh i don't know is that is that going to be an issue this is an open question i i honestly yeah i don't i don't have a good answer here i mean garrison hurst might still have some eligibility whoever it is is he as good as the uh bailer running back who put up 300 yards in kind of his first-ish start against that defense I'm going to say probably. Yeah, worth a shot, yeah. Sure.

We're basically running the single wing. Yeah. Literally the least, the thing in the whole world I'm least worried about is which running back are you trotting out against UNC? Twin Chizuk heard that and he was hurt, deeply hurt. I'm sorry, coach. Can I give you something? Can I give you something that it's just a couple of delightful things about Georgia? Delightful things for a first year head coach who's never been a head coach before.

Okay. Mm-hmm. And this is just magnificent, okay? One, that Nick Chubb. Sure. Right? That's a good thing. Yeah.

Yeah, he's coming back from an injury. Well, that's a bad thing. So, so yeah, he and, he and Sony, how do you pronounce his last name? Michel. Michelle? Sonny Michelle. So because we know Georgians are sticklers from proper French. It's a name just daring you to make fun of which I would advise you do not do.

Yeah, don't do it. It's a French disc man. Uh, yeah, and Grace, uh, speaking of French, Grayson, Lambert, coming back. Sure. Jekalb, Jacques, Jacob, Jacob, Yakub. Yeah. See, that's what I'm getting to. Yeah.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Good. The fuck of this is, oh, no. Uh, we got some theories about this, you know. This is about to get deep. Yeah, exactly. We're about to get super well.

Steve George's demographics are qualified to deal with this. Probably. No, we bail. Should you be discussing this out? Bye. Which is the last university in the world to weigh in on this issue? I know. I know, I'm sorry.

I think that degree you have in conservative talk radio has more than equipped you for this debate. All dogs matter. All right, I take it back. I'm really glad you called in from the road, even though you sound like shit, Jason. That's magnificent. I do still You sound fine I'm not

I'm not I'm not hard shaming you here Or fine like on brand No on brand on brand we're fine on brand But I was saying this that you have a first year You have a first year coach Who's going to have a quarterback controversy Because Georgia fans already think the other guy Is the answer

Not grace on Lambert What was Grayson Lambert Wasn't he punting at the end of the season or play wide receiver or punt returning or he was doing something non-quarterbacky i think uh doing some non-quarterbacky stuff at quarterback was one quarterback who earned the nickname golden toe from his teammates sure because of his punting i think i cannot keep him straight man there are so many of them having like side hustles like every georgia quarterback a brice ramsie the important thing is that they're not jacobie yeah he was the puner okay yeah i mean he could

Whatever, he hit that one out route in the spring game and everyone lost their fucking minds to start him, whatever. Yeah, he could have a quarterback controversy, especially if they do the, well, you're going to start the experience. By the way, remember early season results, who went 24 for 25 against South Carolina? That was Grayson Lambert. Big. I totally, I totally forgot about that. Thank you for, oh, my God. Yeah, three TDs and 24 for 25 against South Carolina.

And everyone did not think the obvious thing, which is that, who, this is going to be the team that buries Steve Spurrier into the golf course. Nope. They thought, oh, boy, we got national championship coming. Oh, man. And it's been like, you know, months later, your coach is at Miami and you hire Will Must Chance, you know, dim cousin. Sweet. I didn't say he was dim. Different.

Different. Different. Different cousin. Just different. Different. Yeah, different name. He definitely has a different name. Oh, man. Yeah, so offensively, Offensively,

but it's Cheney, he was an offensive coordinator, a couple of different places, Tennessee, Arkansas. He's, you know, journeyman, they're, and aggressive.

In fact, left Arkansas because I think he, he did not enjoy the burly style of football and Brett Beelma sometimes. Hey, let's go,

let's go air it out at Georgia. Those fans will love it. Yeah, they'll love that. We got Nick Joe. What are you do? Hey, real quick,

I just want to say, if my phone dies, I'm giving Ryan power of attorney to fill in all my opinions. He has that power anyway because he's an attorney. All attorneys have that power. Eat it, bud. No, by the way, this is also a defense. It loses a lot.

They do. Now, the good news for Georgia is you have only one obvious true road test, and that is the Old Miss game on September 24th. Tennessee, you played home. Most of the other road, I think you have South Carolina on the road. Georgia Tech, you play at home. You have the Florida game in Jacksonville, obviously. The bad news is that that means if this is an awkward transition and an unpleasant one,

we may be talking, like, you have a lot more Georgia fans who paid to see bad results in person. Yeah, and you get a couple, I think you have a lot of spots on the schedule where you can look like crap and still come up all right. Even Ole Miss, like, do you really want to lie? Do you really want to just sit here and put your money on Old Miss being a gimmie in any sense of the word? No, and to be perfectly honest, if Old Miss beats the tar out of Georgia, Georgia fans will just say, well, that's because we run the program the right way. Right. You've already pre-excused that loss. That's brilliant.

Yeah. Now, you know, you can't lose the Vanderbilt at homecoming. Now, if read the Ole Miss thing, how long can Georgia fans still claim that they do? things the Mark Rick way. Like, is this like four years from now? Like, you know, Kirby's led him to an SEC title or whatever and they're still claiming moral superiority because they used to employ Mark Rick. No, I think, I think it's like a roof. It has like a 20 year guarantee on it. You know, Mark Rooke, Mark Rook built that roof. Mark Roof. Mark Rooke. Mark Roof. He'll keep you dry. Remember, he's not a house. He's just a roof. It's a good

metaphor from Mark Rick. Looking at the schedule, I just sort of go, okay, here are losses that I think are likely. Sure. I think they lose to Florida. Okay. Florida is just a little further along in terms of, you know, they're not a first year team.

They don't lose as much on defense. They just don't have quite, they'll be a little more together, hopefully, even in a, you know, slightly underwhelming form. That'll probably be a real dumb game. Oh, it's always, it's usually a pretty dumb game. This will be an extremely dumb game. But, like, you know, they beat, like, If you look at all the teams on here that they can beat,

they can beat pretty much every team on this schedule. And that includes, you know, this looks like a night. Like, I think they could probably go eight and four. With those four losses. Wait, hold on. How do you go from they can beat every team on this schedule to eight and four? What the fuck? That's simple.

They're Georgia. Let me. That's every Georgia season. That was point one. Point two is this. that losing that much on defense, they have a couple of extremely problematic teams, and they have them in the wrong order

because they end up playing a triple option team at the end of the season. Yeah. They end up playing tech, which, who, you wonder how to end on a high note as a first year head coach at Georgia losing to tech. It is in Athens, though, and it is Georgia Tech. But that'll be ugly.

Auburn, they could lose to Auburn. They could lose to Florida. They could lose to Tennessee very easily, and they could lose to Ole Miss. So if you're being extremely pessimistic, I would go 8 and 4. And that's, by the way, just based on the, hey, we're just kicking the tires on this thing, theory of first-year head coaches and a quarterbacking situation that, I mean, by the end of the year, it'll probably be like Jacob Easton will probably be the starter that probably take some licks. And they'll probably look pretty good over those last like three games.

I can see that whole like plot line like Eason being the starter by like October 29th, losing to Florida. Everybody hates it. All of a sudden they reel off four straight to finish. So, you know, like 9 and 3 is probably like a good sunny side debut here. So I'll be optimistic to a 9 and 3. Georgia is perpetually the smartest kid in the class who goes to take the SAT, walks out, and realizes that she used cosign instead of sign every time. Dude, Georgia's me.

They have everything set up and they're plenty smart enough to do well on the test. And then I don't know, they start thinking about, you know, stuff to be Georgia. it's true that's true there's a reason you went to tech and the run the run game ain't very quick either uh okay so nine and three

we want to say yeah i mean i think i think nine and three is an optimistic one eight and four is probably more realistic okay that's fine also by the way there's a lot there's a lot of unknown quantities on that on like in terms of development on that schedule right like

Missouri, Tennessee, South Carolina What on earth is South Carolina going to look like? I mean, the entire SEC East is kind of a shit show. That's what nobody really wants to talk about. I think it's just easy to say, oh, Tennessee, you know, they look like they're in position. Yeah, the whole division continues to be

just a very weird, strange, bumbling place. Yeah, I mean, like, in case this isn't enough of a thing, go look at the starting quarterbacks for each school. Yeah, tell me. Tell me you know their names. You probably. Yeah. Take me to the river.

The star quarterback of the division is Josh Dobbs, whose passer rating last year was worse than that of LSU's quarterback. So. Oh, speaking of teams that remain somewhere between eight and four, nine and three, and a bunch of unknown quantities and territories. Ah, Louisville Cardinals. a good example as well of what Georgia hopes for this year of the final quarterback and he looks great late to end the season they got that going in lamar jackson um but boy the beginning of the schedule not great they have florida state and clemson in the first five games and a weird friday road game against syracuse so i don't know yeah um they they return almost all their offensive skill talent Which means, which like in year or two, especially as good as Lamar Jackson looked, and he looked real good. And Devonte Fields looked real good at linebacker.

So, I mean, they're a team that can beat people up and they will score. Oh, my God, will they score? The hallmark, I think, of any Bobby Petrino team is they are the guy, they're the guy at the gym who skips leg day. They just want the top muscles. and top muscles are going to look great. And we can bench like crazy. Just get your boat muscles in, man. Yeah, yeah.

It's a boat muscle team. Granted, disclaimer, it was A&M's defense. But, like, the show he put on just torching everything in sight. That had to be one of the, like, five or ten coolest things of the year last year. You know, just you think you know everything about a season. And then you look up and, holy shit, here's a star player. It looks like Michael Vick out there all of a sudden. By the way, the noise, right now, this is the, the, once you get to the outskirts of Alabama, the roads turn into, like, it's like you're driving on, like, spines or something.

It's like the whole road is made out of, like, the thing, the traps they throw down to stop a police chase. You just have to floor it to escape the state. This is like that scene in sneakers where we have to figure out where you're driving just based on the sound. And I think Spencer is Robert Redford in this case. Yeah. I'm Dan Aykroyd. Oh. Yeah, but that's cool.

You get to sell the crystal vodka. Crystal vodka. That's true. I'm kind of insane. Yeah. Also, Louisville has to play Houston again this year on a Thursday. That's a choice. Which on the one hand, maybe...

Yeah, that's at Houston. That maybe has the potential to be a great offensive explosion game, which would be fun. It also could just totally go ass up for the Cardinals. So I don't know. Yeah, remember part of the reason that Jackson managed to look so spectacular quarterback running and dodging and making stuff happen is because he needed to be running and dodging and making stuff happen because that offensive line, they were not real experienced. And they have, yes, a little more experience.

But this is not a team. you want to lean on that. It's not the obvious strength there, okay? Defense, the defense is going to be pretty good. It's a Todd Grantham defense, so you can just throw it to a tight end against it. Don't tell anyone. It's a secret.

The tight end's always open, and he blitzes in an irresponsible fashion that you can't do in college because they're not going to make it to the quarterback every time. But anyway, hopefully this will be the year he finally fights someone on the field. Because Todd Grantham's been so close to fighting somebody on the field every single time.

So how is the schedule look there? Who's, who's the, do they play Boston College? Steve a Dodgio fight? No, they do, they do play at Marshall, which has potential just because it's West Virginia. Oh, yeah. It's got West Virginia in it. Who, I will, oh, you know what? Bronco Menon Hall, they play at Virginia.

Mmm. Mm. Yeah, yeah. They do play at Boston College after that, so. At Boston College. I think that dials it down because, like, how mad are you really going to get at Boston College? Also, you know, there's the end of the year rivalry game against Kentucky. I could see that being some awkward sweaty Mark Stoops, Greco-Roman.

Like Mark Stoops is five and six. God damn you! Oh, yeah. Remember, did we not call some deep Kentucky sadness for the finish? We did, yeah. We missed a bowl game at the finish five and seven. We had, so we already have committed Louisville to one win. We have.

In terms of ruining A brawl. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like that option a lot. And then Todd Grantham, on the strength of that brawl, gets the UCLA job. I like him.

He's a fighter. He's fiery. That's right. We need somebody more agro than Jim Mora. Jim Mora only got in a fight with his own assistant coach. Not someone else's. His bad aim. Do you think Todd Grantth would take that shit from Diddy?

Hell no Todd Grantham eats kettlebells Todd Grantham will put him out like he was mace He will break his jaw He'll turn you into shine You turn you to a ghost-faced lyric Damn it Wins losses wise

At Clemson Feels like a loss Florida staying at home Probably feels like a loss I'll tell you though That Clemson game Louisville Clemson Who

Sure That's fought That's fire yeah that is that is that is exquisite high pressure football at memorial stadium with the big extremely coordinated tv entrance that's that's some theatrics right there yeah um i i have a hard time going below three losses on the other hand that assumes louisville doesn't have a stupid slip up somewhere um one of those games were just the offense totally misfires turns the ball over a bunch of times does something stupid on special teams i feel like i have to give them one of those

so i'll say eight and four well yeah i think that's good because i mean as crazy an athlete as lamar jackson is still not that polished of a passer right you know like he's an incredible player but let's give him another year or so before you know he's like heisman hype guy or whatever right yeah he's going to have some big ones he'll have some small ones and there is one great asset here they can basically manage the middle of their schedule because After that Clemson game, they have a bye week. Then they play Duke, Enzy State, Virginia, Boston College, and Lake. That's it.

They play five in a row that they should, should just book. Oh, but that's where one of the dumb losses will come. That's sort of where you feel like. Yeah. Yeah. I'm looking at you, B.C. Ooh, yeah, there's a game, and there's a slip-up somewhere in there. But realistically, like, if you're going, okay, you should just process all five.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying at Boston College. Maybe you win that game without getting a first down. Is Wake, is Wake scoring a touchdown in that game? Who? That's their secret, remember? That's how they win ACC games. That's why I'm asking. If you say no, then that's a win for Wake Forest. They whopper you. 9-6. That's a 9-6 game right there.

So, I don't know. This feels like when you look at everything that they have on the schedule, They look at their guaranteed, like, sort of the losses that they'll probably have. This could be a 10-and-2 team. Oh, yeah. If they hit the gate strong and they, let's say they split FSU and Clemson, yeah, I think 10-and-2 is definitely. And they have to watch their ass with Houston. Because I know they'll take Houston seriously.

Nobody's sleeping on Houston anymore. Right. That's just, that's a very difficult style for them. That's a very difficult style for anyone to work with, and that's on the road in Houston. So, yeah, that's probably, like, when I look at it, when you go, okay, well, what's their toughest game? I mean, Florida State's at home. They don't have to go anywhere for that. I mean, that's a very difficult matchup.

I have to play Houston on the road. I mean, you're suggesting that a bunch of Florida State people are going to have problems fighting in a Papa John's. So I don't see that being an issue. They're right at home. So, yeah, I'll say, okay. you've talked me into nine and three put me down for eight and four but i'll go ten and two so we'll split it make him nine and three i think we've said everybody's going nine and three and i'm fine with that it's a it's a positive positive uh tuesday here uh that would not be the case for our last

team though tc u nine and three would be bad don't do that although although i have no idea if you actually well um this team loses tron boykin obviously uh they also lose josh joxson that seems like weirdly to me the bigger loss just because what a what a wonderful safety net he was for them last year just like oh we're in trouble just throw it to josh doxon oh we need to move the change just throw it at josh doxon they just they could do that they could do that thing where and there was a beautiful piece i'm trying to remember that highlighted his effective area as a receiver right most people had this little dot dachson had this dot that was the size of a garage door you could just it anywhere near him and he would go get it yeah it was it's sort of like tossing a cheeseburger

to spider man it's like you don't you don't got to put it right on the hands he'll bring it in spot he'll pick that up man he'll go get it so yeah that's that's less than ideal um that said their defense is also kind of a work in progress still which is a weird thing to say about a gary patterson team because they were just plain bad against Texas Tech in Oklahoma State last year, and against Oklahoma, they were fine. And then you look at the Oregon game, which, you know, as we've already said, was the epitome of Oregon season. The defense did not look strong at all when Vernon Adams was on the field and healthy. So I don't know what that says when most, you know, take out the Baylor game because it was played

in a monsoon. Most of the high-octane capable offenses that you faced kind of just rolled over you and did almost anything they wanted yeah so the rebuttal here is that tc u was banged injuries like everybody is blah blah blah everyone has excuses and all that but tc u it was like whole other levels they were losing start like multiple starters every week um but to me like they bring back a ton more experience than it looks like and the defense would have been a whole lot better than it was you know if they had guys healthy i feel like they're one of those scenes where all the numbers last year. You can kind of just throw them out. They're just very deceptive. And, you know, they were

winning toward the end even without Trevonne Boykin, which gives you high hopes for all they'll do without him. They're also bringing in Kenny Hill, former September Heisman winner whose overall numbers in the SEC were decent. And I think decent in the SEC translates to, you know, 6,500 yards in the Big 12, which

would rank him like fourth in the conference or whatever. Yeah. They get a quarterback, they get a cornerback back named Ranthani Tejada, which is one of my favorite damn names. in college football. He's real good. Anthony Tejada. They kept their coaching staff.

Yeah, of course, man. Nobody ever Here's another thing, man. Nobody ever leave, GP. Nobody. Like, like, it's so, you know who left GP? Fuente. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Like, Justin Fuente left. That's it. Like, nobody leaves TCU

because Gary's just that good for, good to you, man. He just makes you feel so loved. I also maintain that he's so sweaty. makes all the doorknobs too slip to grip so you try to get out he brings you in for the hug

you just drown I know you're like man I got to swim out of here you're going to take years son have you seen the abyss you can breathe liquid we were thinking about

getting those automatic doors on the TCU athletic complex no no no we can't do that what if what if Gary Patterson is not sweaty but just a T-1,000 that is really having problems keeping it together

a really like one of the earlier models they're like hmm he's out there I always think he's out there looking like Senator Kelly from the X-Mad movie right help me he's a water type Pokemon if you turned on Pokemon go and you scanned it over at Gary and it was just like Squirtle!

You found squirrel I would die of birth I feel like how did he die So young You're like Mers And Pokemon Go Horned Rock played splash Very effective

TCU they have the Arkansas game in week two We mentioned that in previous episodes Of course you're listening to these carefully Banger Absolutely banger of a game Yeah they have Oklahoma week five Both of those two games are at home then they have um i don't know i mean there's there's they've got a late game at texas

thanksgiving weekend uh they've got oklahoma state at the end of the area they've got kansas state which is weird as kansas state i guess the west virginia texas tech baylor trio after the first off week could be a thing but i don't know it kind it kind of feels like if you got If TCU gets through the first part of the Schedule 6 and O, I kind of feel pretty good about them at that point, barring injury or other catastrophe. Yeah. Yeah, like that Oklahoma, like if you look at losses where you go,

okay, this is a bankable loss where you would believe it, and you'd say, okay, I could go ahead and sort of pencil that in and feel okay about it. Oklahoma, I know that's in Fort Worth, but Oklahoma's going to be real good. Yep. uh maybe baler i mean it depends on like it depends on boy we're still we're still not at the point where we can talk about baler yeah i mean who who but but really realistically who even knows what

that's going to look like yeah i mean you do play west you play west virginia in morgan town that west that west virginia game just feels squirrely it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like an automatic loss it just feels like something that you're like i'm gonna hitch my belt up two notches tighter and you know what yeah it's not this is that's bad yeah that's a bad potentially a real bad game but like you look at the schedule and you go 10 and two this is a 10 and two team yeah the tex the texas game is the interesting one to me um because texas by that point in the year might be legit might not it is texas well we've got it we're going nine and three so i i didn't sign up for that i again did not sign up for that but i've been right ryan uh

of a coalition that has Texas going 9 and 3. I have to see you 11 and 1. I'll go high here. 11 and 1. All right, you know what? You sold me. I'm going 111.

Let's do it. Well, that was easy. That's putting a lot. That's putting a lot on Kenny Hill. Who's the one is Oklahoma you got? I think that's what I have. I don't have my board with me, but yeah, we'll say Oklahoma.

Actually, we'll say at Texas. Did we preview? Because somebody has to beat Texas. Did we preview Oklahoma? I honestly don't remember. We did, and I think we said 10 and 2. Okay. I think.

Okay. Okay. Yeah. Which I assume that means Oklahoma's losing to Texas because everyone does. Oh, man. Squirtle wins.