Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 4.25.0

Episode Date: July 26, 2016

Oh it's DOUBLE FULLCAST WEEK. This one might as well be the Brunch episode, because it involves a few prime ingredients (look, we're talking about Florida State, an excellent football team) mixed in with the lesser leftovers from the week you might not want to serve by themselves. (Hello, Indiana and Vanderbilt.) Topics include: --More yelling about FSU's Dalvin Cook, who should have been the Heisman winner last year, and how his football team might be real, real good around him already before you add in his unearthly talents. --Vanderbilt discussion centers mostly around a.) Vandy improving to a lofty five win standard again, and b.) a lot of reminders about how dismal Vandy has been historically, like that's something that will make Vandy feel better about getting their teeth kicked in by Tennessee consistently again. --Indiana! AMERICA'S MOST ZANDER DIAMONT TEAM. --Texas Tech! They're just Indiana football, but dustier and blessed with Pat Mahomes at quarterback. --Finally, Kansas State, which just gets kind of sad because it really, really feels like Bill Snyder's last season. (Even though it turns out that Bill Snyder is younger than man/chicken hybrid Kenny Rogers.) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. I am Spencer Hall. Oh, in the same room for once. Not only do we have the editorial director of SB Nation, we have a contributor. That makes it sound like I'm all of those things. You are. That's fine. Shit, promotion. Promotion. No race. I'm going to hate it. Hi. I already hate it. Yeah, congratulations. Hi, I'm Ryan. I'm new here. Don't ever be in charge of things. Yes, Ryan is new here. And Ryan is joining us for the first time on the Shutdown

full cast. It's not. He's done this a lot. Brand new. Brand new. We're going to discuss college football here in a second. And to do that, we need the help of our college football editor, proud Georgia resident. Jason Kirk, who's not with us here in New York.

He's, as usual, in the hinterlands. This time, Jason has a history of recording from places that are audio challenged. Sonically compromised. So today, the Jackhammer Factory? Sounds so good. From Charlie Brown's teacher's bedroom. I'm just kidding. Everything should be fine now.

I'm no longer in the middle of Alabama, the middle of Ohio, or the middle of Indiana. Yeah. So those three things tended to work against me. Were you running a satellite camp? It's against my Pokemon collection, because when you're out there in the middle of nowhere, all you find are rotatas and zoo bats.

but the gyms are very easy to conquer. So stepping up the competition and coming back to civilization has been a little bit of an adjustment. I mean, we'll talk about a coach who can coach out those rotatas, but we're not going to do that. By the way, I like that his summer vacation plan is indistinguishable from someone running pills. Sure, or just generally trying to go off the grid ineffectively. we should note that last week's forecast the one you're listening to now was not delayed because of anything Jason did no it's strictly the fault of the people in this room

yeah we fucked up I fucked up one day you fucked up the next day it's good it was a total team effort fuck up and Jason Jason was golden the difference between me and the two of you is I put all my fuckups on wax the people will hear my fuckups yeah as y'alls you know maybe i guess they're so egregious that uh that they can't even make it that far ours are the label trying to keep us down right like jason's very much the um 50% of life is showing up he's like all right all right i'll do that the rest up to god that's it's a podcast god whereas ryan and i it's if and when we show up right right the lauren hill phenomenon you pay $75 a ticket uh we might show up

this makes me the Wycleft then yeah that's right you made the concert and accidentally took all the money you were supposed to give a charity and now you're shirtless on a motorcycle and meanwhile ADSBS hasn't been good since 1999 no it hasn't been good since we started at 1983 it was way funnier in 1935 I've been reading this blog since 1922 it let me tell you you better in the original Aramaic that the daguerre type version was really the last time you had anything in case you haven't listened to this podcast podcast before. What are you doing? Why did it take you so long? And why are you starting now? You probably should have been in a while ago. This is a college football podcast. We are previewing teams for the 2016 season. And by previewing, that's a really loosely used term. We enjoy discussing the things around them. For instance, we are going to discuss Florida State. Yeah. Our first team. Okay. And you should know coming up, by the way, we have the following teams. We usually don't do this, but we'll preview you. We're going to talk about Florida State. the preview. Yeah, I'll preview the preview.

Florida State. Yeah. Indiana, Vanderbilt, Kansas State, Texas Tech. Those are in no particular... I literally mean no particular order. So for general interest, we're just going to go ahead and get the biggie. We'll talk about Florida State first. We're going to backload the real attractions of Indiana and Vanderbilt, okay? This feels like a good public service. Going ahead and letting folks know you can tap out pretty soon here. Well, this is the concert poster where we got a really good headliner and then you just scroll down and you're like they got the blowfish but they don't have hoody i don't understand what this concert is i guess it's a concert with a headliner has a thing

going on later right right or the headliner has not actually agreed to do it yet right they're still trying to get him in the building not show up they're hoping right by printing a bunch of flyers they pressured him y'all want to see kanya yeah kanya hasn't been signed how about swiss beats yeah can we give you swiss beats two hours of swiss beats so we're saying we're going to to trot out hologram Florida State. How about Shine's cousin? Yeah. Hey, everybody.

Carth Brooks is going to be here. Yay! How about three hours of some ingenue whose dad is in the record business? Shiba McIntyre. Sheba McIntyre. The amazing Japanese dog-feet band that lip sinks and yowls along. I would actually... I would go to that so much.

I know. I think we just made an act that we'd actually see. Oh, please. Let's talk about Florida State. talking we are officially talking about the knolls this is awkward because i won't speak for jason but i know two of us have like good things to say about florida state we do we do mine's kind of a negative good i mean that's fine go ahead which is this a neg you're going to neg florida state i'm going to totally neg florida state this is uh this is actually not even at florida state it's pretty much at

everybody who voted for the heism which is this you idiots you volume fool idiots you inability to figure out what proper value is in a player because the best goddamn player in the nation last year was delvin cook it wasn't even close yeah i mean the straight stats on him are convincing once you adjust them for situation they're mind-boggling absolutely mind-boggling among those situations he was hurt most of the year and he still averaged 7.3 yards of carry uh-huh he still had 19 touchdowns do you know who is quarterbacks were. Oh, yeah. Let's see, McGuire. Uh-huh. Yeah. And brief Everett Goalson. And a brief appearance of Everett, Goulson. Yeah. They had nobody. They had a

disappointing wide receiver core. He was literally all they had. 1600 yards, over 1,600 yards rushing on just 229 attempts. Good God. Okay. And unadjusted 7.4 yards of carry, okay? Everyone gives it to Derek Henry because you Costco thinking motherfuckers, okay? Five points. six yards of carry. That's pretty good. He got the ball 396 times. You confused repetition for quality, you heels. He was amazing. I mean, Christian McCaffrey would be an interesting comparison here. But even then, you can say Kevin Hogan was outside of the first game, a very steady option for them. They obviously have nothing but road graders at offensive line. And there's probably i mean i don't i don't actually know what the adjustment is for playing in the pack

12 against pack 12 defenses versus it's huge it's a huge adjustment yeah i'm sorry i shouldn't have disrespected bud like that but yeah dalvin cook not even was he even was he was even top three in the heisman last year didn't he finish no he wasn't a finalist no yeah and still like the best player pound for pound dollar for dollar christian mcalfre he's like right there sure i'll agree christian capri's like right there sure i'll agree christian capri's like right there but in terms of context like don't you vote context on these things you would no no no no that's too that's who no one would do that yeah uh and now he's back yeah and now he gets to do this again and now you know who else is back the whole offensive line neat

all of the receivers is his hamstring back his hamstring's back oh that's good you need two of those i mean i mean yeah dalvin cook is amazing everything bad we say about florida state does not applied it down. Yeah, and there's a lot. This is one of the most, like, rotten football cultures you'll find in an entire sport full of deeply rotten football cultures. But that aside, they have a player who is a magnificent sparkling gem of dynamic athleticism that did not get the shine that he deserves. So I hope he gets like, like, ooh, 240 carries this year. Look out. They do lose, this is hard to say. Second round draft pick, Roberto Aguayo. Oh, adios, Roberto.

What I like about this is that because it was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that decided to trade up, not use an existing second round pick, but trade up into the second round to select a kicker. Because it was Tampa and not literally almost any other team, the Bucks obviously have a number of Florida State fans. So whereas, I don't know, if the Raiders or the Texans or the Chatsons or the Cheney. chargers had done this or the browns you would have had a significant portion of the fan base that said what the fuck did we just do we just traded up to take a kicker yeah now okwayo was good from like 500 yards yeah he was probably the best kicker i've seen probably since sebastian janikowsky

yeah yeah he was outstanding but jimbo fisher the joke on jimbo fisher that we've used time and time again because it's very real is this jimbo gets you paid jill will always get you paid Jason Kirk, who did Jimbo get paid? Before James, before somebody who was actually maybe legitimately brilliant. Who are we looking at that Jimbo got paid? Bro, are we talking about Christian Ponder? Oh, we are totally talking about. Add him to the list. Put him on.

Add him to the list. Let's see. Marcus Russell. Mm-hmm. Technically Jimbo got him paid. That's true. It's uncomfortable, but it's accurate. E.J. Manuel.

Got paid. Got paid. Jimbo has one of the best sales pitches in all of college football. Because he can not only go in and say, I'll get you to the NFL and get you paid, he can walk in and say, it doesn't matter whether you're really good. I'm going to get you that signing bonus. In fact, it's better if you're not, because then potential. Potential.

I think that applies to O'GWIO as well, because he had some pretty gaudy numbers, but they were kind of inflated by FSU being good at getting close to the goal line. Like, from outside of 40 yards, he was nothing special, just very consistent up close. You know, and as long as he wasn't, say, kicking touchdown. of Georgia Tech. You know, that happened. Things like that. But, yeah, I think he totally fits the Jimbo gets pretty good players paid like they're

incredible. Can I give you the recruiting brick that Jimbo Fisher managed to bake out of the buck's idiocy? You ready? Please. It's this. This is my favorite. God, it's so good.

This. Really? They didn't lose anything, Fisher said. To me, it was. genius. It was pretty smart with their GM and them did. Got a piece of the puzzle they needed. I'll say this. Most people who said that it wasn't a smart pick

ain't ever coached. They ain't ever been on that sideline. So even with the kicker getting drafted, Jimbo is recruiting. Right. I mean, I imagine a lot of the people who said it was a good pick also never coached. By definition most people have

never coached. Also, who said it was a good pick? Well, okay. Jimbo did. A number of Florida State fans, probably. Let's talk about what they have this year because it's kind of a serious schedule. They do have a serious schedule. I don't see much on there that they can lose.

There's really not a lot on there that they can lose. They have a cracker of an opening game. Oh, man. Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Well, good. Ole Miss. Ole Miss. at uh oh miss at disney don't get no cracker well even better it's not formally at disney it's at camping world stadium camping world it's for we're going to orlando but we're not staying in a disney resort you're getting cooler don't worry big green hair because we're going to watch a nose and the rebel don't worry this red roof in has a four uh four hole mini golf course it's just as good as staying at a disney resort is this the dirks betley bowl this is good um

Uh, yeah, that's, that's going to be an interesting game early for them, especially because the one part of the Florida, one of the parts, I should say, of Florida State that is looking at a lot of turnover is the secondary. Uh, they have Derwin James, who was great last year, but they have a number of guys who have to step up. And Oldness has the rarest of SEC jewels, a quarterback who might actually be good and has proven it in game context. Oh, yeah. And he has to face a young secondary. So this is what I think we get in this first game, which is why I think this is one of the best games to watch in week one, not just because it contains two fairly large brands that even a fairly dumb college football fan could say, well, that every game probably matters. No, no, no. You get Chad Kelly throwing four picks and throwing for four TDs because you got Derwin James back there.

That's good. And you have a bunch of kids who are learning their assignments. That's bad. Yeah. So that could be a lot of fun at week one, a lot. They also, super thin linebacker might be kind of an issue. especially working against a spread offense like Old Misses or, I don't know, later down the schedule, someone like Clemson?

A Clemson, yeah. It's an interesting first half of the schedule because besides Old Miss, they also have to play at Louisville, which may be another example of face mobile quarterback if you have your linebackers. I mean, the defensive line should be very good for Florida State, but if the defense hasn't really coagulated by then, that could be a little tricky. Can I give you another little warning on that Saturday game against Louisville?

yeah noon yeah it's noon it is at noon it is at noon but then again you're playing boston college on a friday night in no it is it it is on friday at boston college which means boston college that is this fs u wins by four yeah this is of course the the annual acc thing where they stick fsu with every ungodly kickoff time they possibly can for some weird because i don't know market saturation or so i don't know and then fsu fans are are kind of just ifiably and happy with it, I guess. Yeah, no, that's a legit, that's a legit grape. Well, it's been going on for years is the thing.

Is FSU fans look at the schedule and what the fuck? 13 o'clock? That's not even a time. Hey, ACC didn't make you play at USF, though. That was a choice you made. No, that's a choice. Yeah, that's a choice that you made. That's a choice you made. So big games here. They get Florida at home.

They get Florida at home. They get Clemson at home. Yeah, it's, I will say this. if they get through the Miami game and they're 6-0, this could be a very, this could be a very, very good Florida State team. Yeah, they pitched downhill for the second half of the season. I mean, Clemson will be the obvious hurdle Halloween weekend after the first half of the season, but there are enough tests, including, I mean, including North Carolina, which was no slouch last year, that if they run that early table,

it is very hard to argue that they don't have an excellent chance at getting a playoff spot. Can they do that early with a lot of retooling on the defense? I don't know. Yeah, McGuire has to be consistent. Also that. That's it. Or the even younger quarterback who has more talent. D'Andre Francois, I believe is how you pronounce his name.

Magnet. It sounds like has a chance to just straight up steal the job. And if you can raise your ceiling at quarterback with all that talent, Yeah, I mean, to me, like, a nine and three is like the absolute floor for FSU here. Nine and three, nine and three is a disappointment, yeah. Nine and three would be a little bit low. Yeah. Yeah.

I, this looks like, it feels to me that with some consistent quarterback play, that this is ten and two. And if I'm picking the two, you're looking at what, Clemson and Ole Miss? Clemson and Old Miss. Oh, yeah. Old Miss is the one that I think they could lose, not because Old Miss is necessarily the better team, but because they're a little more together and establish where it counts. Also, Old Miss, as a football team, has had to endure months of just, I mean, a mix of real actual NCAA issues and bullshit. And I'm betting they will come out just wanting to take it out on Sunday.

However, might I remind you that due to the NCAA and Hugh Fries' response to it, he will have to coach this game while like washing the feet of the head of deacons or something like that like one of these things they tell you to do to demonstrate your humility and he is a dexterous man who is capable of multitasking but that is a distraction for any for any any head coach in any in any environment proposed the NCAA rather than laying punishments like this does the cutthroat kitchen thing where they give jimbo fisher several dollars to spend on putting a handicap on who freezes coaching. Like, he has to coach with a traffic cone on his head.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or on a beam. Or oven mitts on his hands or something like that. Yeah, you can only call plays with an old school megaphone, right, that says varsity on it. Yeah. Chris Kiffen has to call the defense in a wrestling singlet the whole time. Lucha mask. Yeah.

Yeah, no, this is much better than NCAA punishment. It makes just as much sense when you look at it. I would go ahead and I would assume an early loss due to just breaking in a new secondary. and getting some consistent quarterback play. Maybe they do have a quarterback. Maybe McGuire holds onto it, and they have to switch guys early in the season. But this feels as talented as they are.

10 and 2, I'll be conservative and say that 10 and 2 with the obligatory like Clemson and Ole Miss losses. That's me being real skeptical. There's no reason this couldn't be a playoff team. Yeah, I'm going to say 11 and 1. 11.1? I think 11 and 1.

And whether or not they are a playoff team probably hinges on If the ones to Ole Miss, because then that's early, it's out of conference, you're fine. If it's the Clemson, then you need Clemson to lose somewhere else because realistically, it's hard enough to get two teams in from the same conference, we think. It's definitely going to be very hard to get two teams in from the same. Also waiting on the gifted, the gifted but tender hamstring of one Dalvin Cook, who as dynamic and brilliant as he is appears to be the kind of running back who is like so keyed up that he just, occasionally pulls a hamstring. Whatever, it doesn't stop him.

He's too fast for his own body, is what I'm saying. He's PCP and running back for him. So, yeah, I'll say 11-1. All right. I can be sold on 11-1. I see a high variance here. I mean, I could see a 12-0. I could see a 9-3.

I think, calling him straight up and down, I think I have 11-1. I wouldn't even go so far to prepare for this podcast, but looking at my own, my own predictions. But I'm probably leaning more like 10-and-2 but still that's a that's a good season okay uh boy how far downhill do you want to go good let's go all the way let's go all the way so indiana or vandy vandy let's do all right vandy vandy's a weird place to go but let's go to vandy okay let's go to vandy just

to bring you up to speed on how not up to speed vanderbilt as as a football program right now Okay, experiences of resurgence under James Franklin. That's cool. James Franklin does that thing where, surprise, he's not going to coach a bandy for the rest of his life and takes the Penn State job. Do you think you wanted the Eagles job? Oh, man.

I think James Franklin wants most jobs. Yeah, okay. Right, most jobs that are definitely up. England national team? In. In? In for a penny for a pound. Cool.

Here's the confusing thing about Vanderbilt. If you just look last year at the defensive numbers, whether you look at the regular yards per play, tackles for loss, points per game allowed, the sort of, you know, my first stats version, or if you go over to football outsiders and look at the advanced metrics, in which case they're even better, they're kind of like LSU. Yeah? Like in so many metrics, they were basically in the same position as LSU. Like I said, the advanced metrics like them better.

The difference is they have the advantage of having a terrible run game and a terrible passing game, and they turn the ball over a lot. So every time LSU fans think that they have this world crushing defense and this disappointing, hiccuping, sputtering offense that can't do anything, they're wrong. and they need to understand that 2015 Vanderbilt is what that actually looks like. Yeah. So good job not firing less miles, I guess is what I'm saying. Yeah.

And if you look at them last year, this is just a team that could not produce anything offensively. Just, I mean, a good defensive team. But when you're a good defensive team, you lose a lot of gays by wider margins than you think because you can't get out of your own end at all. Right, and it does not account for all of the times that somebody scores points off turnovers or points on special teams. I mean, the defense gets saddled with those in the dumb people version of statistics. But, yeah, so we come to the tricky part, which is that Vandy mostly returns both sides of the ball. Which is good because that's consistent. Is that good?

And it's bad because, well, you won three games last year? Yeah. Yeah. Returning production is always good. Jason. It's like if you're losing players, you're replacing them with guys who were not better than the guys who were there. Yeah. I mean, you're going to improve at least a little bit if you're maintaining production.

And the defense produced a lot. And, you know, if the offense can get a little bit better, maybe you can sneak toward a ball. I know that at SEC Media days, like, there was a weird moment where there was like a was a Vandy hype. After Derek Mason spoke, there was, like, everyone was really impressed with him. And everyone sort of looked up and realized, like, huh, I think I feel good about Vanderbilt. It was like this uncomfortable moment. What am I do now?

I guess it was like being at a concert that, you know, the band is terrible, but, like, somehow they nail their, you know, their final song or whatever. And, they got it together. Yeah, but they pulled off there. By the way, I felt they all knew they were playing the same song. For the record, that didn't happen last year. They lost 53, 28 in their final game. Well, but they scored 28 points. Also, they lost by two points to Florida.

Are we going to really, yeah, we're going to count any. That was Florida with post Will Greer suspension. Also, they mustered all of 12 points against Western Kentucky, which was basically a basketball team. A sieve. They beat Missouri 10 to 3. Like, there are so many throwback scores on here. I mean, if you put three points on Missouri, that's pretty good. I mean, a Missouri game only lasts about nine minutes.

It's the, it's the in-and-out game for the SEC. This is, yeah, no, there's no. They dump 17 on Mitsu. What more do you want? The settings on a microwave are like baked potato and, and Missouri game. Missouri offense. done in two minutes oh damn it you con you went for burnt popcorn you assholes uh this year the schedule is fine i don't know i mean they have they have they have what i think are

some good early tests in that if they can't beat south carolina at home to open the season and if they can't beat middle tennessee the week after that also at home if you start If you start 0-2, Derek Mason's fired, this team is garbage, they have no hope. I mean, this is the thing where you go, if after their first four games, they're two and two, all right, first four, if you go, if you go two and two, and I'm giving you. If they, let's say they lose to South Carolina and Georgia Tech. I think, are you serious? I'm not putting Georgia Tech in any definite win-loss situation for any game they played this year. They are the ultimate Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

Yeah, but if they... Merely by predicting their win-loss record, we have changed it in some way. But like South Carolina on opening night, I've seen that. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's what kept UNC out of the national... Out of the playoff conversation last year, even though that was the only game they lost until the ACC championship. Yeah. It's first, what, seven games.

South Carolina at Georgia Tech at WKU, Florida at Kentucky, and at Kentucky, and at Georgia, yeah. Are you comfortable predicting anything for any of those games? Yeah, yeah. I guess you lose at Georgia. I think that's Georgia. I think they can straight up beat Kentucky.

Okay, so that's one thing we're sure about. I think they beat Tennessee State on October 22nd. I will extend it another. We've packed on Tennessee State. Okay. Just to find some footing in this world. By the way, they play at Western Kentucky, and that seems to be like a chance to just get.

shot up yeah that's a bad idea that's a bad idea uh so i think i think they i think they lose to w that's after the georgia tech game that's after the yeah you go from the option to oh god not my face which is which the georgia tech game is at 1130 in the morning oh oh no that's it's still man it's in the 1230 game against a triple option your breakfast is still in your stomach that's bad um then they play at missouri i mean this feels to me this feels like um i think It could be a real good year if they want five. Okay. It doesn't matter which five they are?

Or is just taking five? It's good? I mean, I think five. They'll just take any five in any order. Yeah, if you pull up with any five from this, things are improving, right? What did they do last year? What were they last year? They went four and eight last year.

So, yes, that is technically an improvement. Also, you're probably not losing to multiple mid-majors this year, which you pulled off last year. Yeah. There's that. there's that although they play good mid-majors yeah they do they do they pull like probably the best mid-major schedule in the SEC like they only really lay up with tennessee state otherwise you got mid you got middle Tennessee and you have western kentucky you're going to mention georgia tech oh yeah and the sunbelt's finest georgia tech don't email me i know they're in

the acc yeah i just i here's vanderbilt is the quintessential you will know if you should care about them by the time October rolls around. Yeah. Even if they only go two and two, if they hang with Georgia Tech and they hang with, whoever they lose to, if they hang with those teams, since all four of those opening games are respectable for a team of Vanderbilt's caliber, if they hang with them and the defense still looks good, then you say, yeah, the Florida game's going to be interesting, Georgia game might be interesting.

Hell, even the Auburn game might be interesting. I will say, the, I will say, the. end of the schedule with oldness in tennessee both at home i don't feel good about those i do feel pretty confident that they're not going to if they don't have six wins by november 19th when old miss comes to vanderbilt i don't think they're going to get there so you're not picturing an 11 and o tennessee going out to vandy and then everything falling apart i mean i i'm picturing it but that's not the same thing as well i think maybe you're trying to think it into existence Yeah, I'm going to...

I would never take that off the TV. That's on my vision board, if that's what you're asking. Yeah. Vision board, but it's not in the agenda. Yeah, I would actually be perfectly happy if Vanderbilt just sort of... There is a way they can go through this schedule, just sort of crushing hopes and dreams without doing anything else. Yeah, and we should mention this. Historically, for you youngens, you remember a Vanderbilt that once won nine games.

Yeah. Yeah, that's... Oh, man, that's rare. You treasure that memory because it's not coming back. No, no, not for a while. It's not supposed to happen and it never will happen again. Well, just hang on until 2022 when Vanderbilt begins its home and home with Wake Forest. The true sign that mankind's reign on this earth has come to an end.

I think at that point we have officially played enough football game. That's it. We play all permutations have been, have been explored. We're done. I've exhausted the supply here. okay this is too far this is too far pack it up time for murder ball it's season 23 of full house yeah that's it let's let's do one of those future let's do one of those future games where we run away from sentient race cars trying to kill us yeah the this is so absolutely rare for them

to ever be good so the pragmatist in me says that we give vandy like five wins and who that's a big day i guess sure i don't feel great about it but i'll i'll go five and seven that's fine yeah five they can do five i mean man listen if you were if you were in hoover alabama listening to dudes in polo shirts just be bowled over by vandy you'd have to talk yourself down to five okay yeah that to me says five wins because let's let's review the let's review the cc media corps record on correctly predicting on everything all the time on everything all the time especially in terms of other conferences but y'all picked Auburn to win this thing last year, so ain't nobody listening to you.

Let's stay in the SEC. Indiana. Woo-hoo. Yes, that's noted in SEC East Champs. Indiana was a fantastic team for about... Three quarters of every game? Three quarters of every game? A little more than that. A dynamic team.

I think like 11-12ths of every game. They collapsed and either blew a lead or like blew a chance to take a lead late in the game against Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, and Duke in the Bull game. And on top of that, they blew a 25-point second-half lead against Rutgers. It didn't matter how good you were. It didn't matter if you were Rutgers. Indiana was going to keep you in the game and then give it to you. They were like a really skilled partner at a poker table who's intentionally losing hands to you.

Yeah. they were also like the guy playing poker who just decided to start doing shit right like oh i'm all in with you know i haven't even looked at the cards yeah oh two nine i'm in one one how to order more cards card is indiana like a pool shark who doesn't know how many balls there are on the table correct yeah exactly the car of hoosiers yeah a really fun team like i don't think this is that was i mean when i complained about having to research indiana because one of our our listeners said this this podcast lacked sufficient football knowledge which is which is true whether we do research or not as if we haven't set the expectations for this podcast for years now doing

research work would change that in any way so i complained that i had to research vanderbilt and indiana now out of a sense of guilt and the number one response i got to that was yeah but indiana's fun and that's kind of true but yeah is that that that seems to won't this get old at some point? Not for an outsider. Like it's fun to watch, it's fun to watch Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner. But if you went to Wiley Coyote University, at some point you're like, can you just catch the fucking roadrunner? Can you just not run into a cave that you painted on a rock? Right. If you're rooting for the coyote at some point, you're saying, just stop chasing it. Just stop chasing it. I could understand if Indiana fans, if this was, if this was not fun for them.

but I'm not an Indiana fan so I hope they continue this forever the noon big 10 slot is always desolate and dreary and dismal and just a thing to endure until the Indiana fourth quarter comes along it's all we have going for us in that time slot so if they were to cancel that I would be dismayed it is the person who shows up at the party already three sheets to the wind shirtless ready to rock that's it Indiana. This is Easter brunch. Yeah, this is a little...

You shouldn't do this. This would be embarrassing. It's a good story, but... But I felt dead inside until you got here. And now suddenly I'm so alive. I'm going to sit you next to my aunt. Examples of this, by the way, like, they were the ones who lost the pinstripe bowl on a layup field goal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On a field goal, which appeared in one camera angle to sort of maybe go over part of the bar, kind of leading to conspiracy theories and some real basketball fan behavior like oh look at the photo evidence no no no we don't do that around here you just call it how you feel it find me the people who have the

energy and drive to rig the pinstripe ball and I will find you the world's saddest mobsters it's probably George Steinbrenner yeah are they like are they like outsourced mobsters yeah like man we don't have time to do this one we need some contractors

Okay, I guess I get college credit for this, right? Why don't you call Wharton? I'm sure they've got some people who want, you know, like some intern experience in minor graft. Oh, I'd rather be running a housing fraud scheme, but fine, yeah. I'll rig the pinstrap ball. Maybe it's a competing hat company.

Like, it was somebody at Lids or something. It was LIDS. No, damn you, John Lids. He valued the new era of brand. Yeah, it was Marcus Lids. Marcus Lids. That wasn't even John. It was Marcus's brother.

John would never restrict for that. Indiana has to replace Nate Sudfeld, their quarterback who was very good and very injured, which is kind of the prerequisite to be an Indiana quarterback in this day and age. Stepping into that role potentially is just a wonderful, it's not a Bond villain name. It's more like unlicensed Bond-esque video game. Zander Diamant. Now, he's still around, is what you're saying? Yeah, and he's handsome as hell. He's a fifth year senior at this point.

Officially son of a soap opera star. Yeah. And has done modeling work. And I remember after they beat Purdue a few years ago, that he was the one with the photo of him smoking a cigar, holding the trophy bucket. Yeah. people are so weird trophy buckets

listen who does that walruses get trophy buckets when they do good which is what's more big 10 than a walrus eating raw fish a walrus eating raw fish that's true that's true yeah zander deemot by the way

if you go to his Instagram account it's nothing but pictures of him looking handsome and brooding that's it and shirtless handsome brooding shirtless handsome brooding shirtless and posing with his soap star father so yeah it's he's everything he really should be the starter based strictly on my expectations for a guy named zander dama he defines middle america and based on my recent tour of the state

of indiana basically everyone there fits all those descriptions sure shirtless and beautiful shirtless and beautiful tan named zander oh holy butt oh holy but's dad shirtless and beautiful jacob himself yeah um nothing but arby's you develop that physique It's the Arby's cut. It's protein. That's why Arby should sell the eight pack. The Arby's eight pack, because if you eat it. It's eight.

It's eight. It's breakfast. Culver's lunch, steak and shake dinner. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's the triple crown. Post dinner. Yeah. Yeah.

That's how you get these delts. I am very confused that a soap opera star decided to give his son the most soap opera name possible, Zander, with a Z, mind you. With a Z. Can I ask you this? Has Indianianian? consistently one of the worst teams in the nation on defense do they have a new defensive coordinator this year absolutely his name's Tom Allen and I think he is now

bringing in a 425 defense which Tim Allen brother it's actually it's Tim Allen but for tax reasons he's using a false identity yeah which one of this was going to make that noise first who's over and can I remind you who's over the fence and home improvement oh my God Wilson Wilson Kevin Wilson it's all coming together someone someone go ahead and Photoshop this and Al Boland might be the most Indiana football fan looking person in television history man it goes Al and then it goes Peter from the Cosby show who is Al Borland as a child look it up these are all in the same

universe Al Borland that universe Indiana football and that also explains what why Tim and Al don't get along because Tim's a Michigan State fan. That's true. The improvement extended universe. Yeah. That, let's look at Indiana just in terms of, uh, you said this so hesitantly.

I did. Let's look at Indiana. Indiana, well, I mean, if they're putting in a 425, by the way, this is my favorite move because if you put in a 425, actual football knowledge here, 425 is called with different assignments that are independent of each other. So you don't, if you're playing it, this is how you know, you're like, we, really need to go back to basics. It's not that the 425 is complex for the player. It's complex to the coach because he has to know all the signals. But people in the 425, at least is the one that

Gary Patterson's run for years at TCU, everybody gets their assignments by unit, right? They don't worry about what anybody else is doing. So if you're a team that's really super struggling on defense, it's a good idea to get this because it's like, okay. Okay. Here's what you're doing and just worry about this. I don't need you to make Thanksgiving dinner. I just need you to make the Rolls. Bring the potatoes. Just the rolls. All you do in this play is bring the potatoes. Bring the rolls. You know, and I'm not sure whether Alan's bringing that exact

425. Right. But that's generally the way it's been taught. That's the way Patterson teaches it. It's one of the reasons the TCU's managed to be so consistent on defense over the years. Look at us. Have an in-depth conversation at Indiana football. Look at that. Fuck you, anyone who says this isn't the

most intellectual college football. No, this is garbage. Why are you listening to? But yeah. So, they might be little better on defense in theory they've never done defense under wilson so hopefully this is the same the clothing cigar of a team just waiting to go off at any point yeah oh man tom allen on his indiana biopage he's wearing like uh transition shades it looks like uh he's got he's got a pretty stout chest on him yeah this is a defensive coordinator i'm feeling pretty good he comes from usf so um he knows a coach who knows at harbaw so yeah that is how the that is how the diseases can

communicated so um the good news is indiana boy you you should get off to a very nice little start here you open with a weird road game against f iu sure and then you get ball state and wake forest so three and oh seems entirely possible out of the gate and i hope you go three and oh indiana because then it gets but then then then it gets potentially very very very because then you got you got you got the the old triplicate here yeah uh murder In triplicate. You got Michigan State, Ohio State. Oh, and Nebraska, which I don't know.

Hard to say at this point. Yeah. It's still, they're Nebraska in Indiana. And then you got to go to Nebraska, tougher than Ball State. You think? Remains to be seen. TBD. And then you get a little bit of a break, potentially.

You have the Maryland Rutgers back to back, which I'll think of a terrifying sandwich name for that later. I don't want to do it now. Because you lost to at least one of those teams at home last year. The greasy crab. Sure. Sure. You know what?

That's fine. It's a live crab stuffed with french fries pleading for death. Sure. Perfect. That's called a crab eating french fries. A crab with a terrible diet. I don't know what to tell you. It's a very winnable, out-of-conference schedule.

it is a reasonably difficult in conference schedule you're indiana and therefore all things are possible with the proviso that those things are bad six and six six and six all deaths are possible with indiana yep yep all money is legal six and six i'm gonna say i'm gonna say six and six great i have no reason to i have no strong reason to argue because yeah because remember when you're chaotic neutral six and six uh let's talk about texas indiana that would be Texas Tech. Hey! You just want to talk about teams that are shit on defense, are great on offense, and whether

or not they close is an incredible wild card. And, yeah, teams that have, this is, we can say literally the same thing. It's like Indiana. Yes, yeah, no, Indiana, Indiana, I said this on Twitter a week ago, Indiana is Texas Tech with a puffy coat. That's all they are. You're the same team, and I'm sorry about that. You have, you have a handsome coach, and that's nice.

you don't have Jakeem Grant or DeAndre Washington. I can't believe you're putting Kevin Wilson down like that. I'm sorry. That's just, I'm sorry. It's not cool. The difference is, I guess, Texas Tech has Patrick Mahomes, Indiana does, I mean, Indiana has Zander, but they don't have Patrick Mahomes. And this is a Cliff Kingsbury specialty.

This is what they do. Patrick Mahomes, fond of throwing the ball from, if he were a pitcher, he would be that guy. They're like, well, he's got a couple of different deliveries. He's got some angle. He'll mix you up. He'll mix you up. He'll get out on the mound and look like his arm's going to snap off because he throws the ball a lot of weird ways.

Kingsbury's not real keen on stopping him because a lot of it works. Yep. But Mahomes is the kind of dude who he's going to be real fun to watch for you. He will. He doesn't play defense. More specifically, he doesn't play linebacker or defensive line, which is bad because last year, Texas Tech gave up 300 rushing yards in a game seven times seven times this was the uh lSU rushing line in the bull game against texas tech 40 carries

which is not a crazy amount no no 384 yards which is approaching 10 yards you held them under you held them under 10 and seven touchdowns what that means is that one out of every six times Less than that The LSU The LSU ran the ball They scored a touchdown That is an excellent That you're literally talking about shooting somebody

That's Russian roulette with a six shooter Yeah And you It was your head Texas Tech Congratulations Mind you somehow I will counter that So I'll still manage to go 7 and 6 Yeah that happened

You beat Arkansas Beat Arkansas The SEC West Big Bad Barley Turley But you'd be unfinished Arkansas. The thing about Arkansas is, you know, it says it only needs to cook for an off season, but you really want to leave it in the oven for another month or so.

You've got to verify an internal temperature of... 100 and... No, it's got to be 200 than Big Boys. 100 and birdie degrees. A solid 100 birdie degrees in the middle before you get prime November. Yeah, this is the big... When people say, like, and Bill Cia mentioned this in his preview, that this was the Big 12th stereotype is on a fight. But yeah. It is. But yeah, that stereotype exists for a reason because

man, they don't stop anyone. But you really don't want to mess or get a snoot full of anything they do offensively either because they're just they're quick. They're everything that you remember from Kingsbury's like Mansell led A&M offenses, right? Just hell for leather down the field as fast as they can possibly go. And they need that because just went the other way on defense. Yeah. As far as the schedule this year, you know, nothing stands out as terrible. They play at Arizona State. Arizona State very much a team that I think we don't know a lot about right now. They have a mostly manageable road schedule against, they go to Kansas State, two TCU, two Oklahoma State, and two Iowa State.

Yeah, I don't know. what it literally we're i mean fuck it i said that they're indiana so i'll just say they're six and six hmm jason i'm gonna ask you to pick while i hedge here i mean sure i mean like their quarterback's gonna throw for 5500 big 12 yards which at the current exchange rate is like that's like 3200 actual yards but okay it'll be a lot of stats i don't know i don't it's texas six and six

it doesn't matter I mean it's the Texas Tech it's the same thing every year they have no defense they throw for 45 billion yards and we're told that the next year is the year those 45 billion yards are going to matter they never will yeah I'm sorry though I will say I think the early

part of the schedule it looks okay yeah I mean you can you can jump out to 5 and 0 you want to know when Todd Graham's in trouble he's in trouble if Texas Tech rolls into Sun Devil's just lights, lights them on fire. And set them ablaze.

Sure. The flip side is, at what point is Cliff Kingsbury in trouble? Six and six fine? Is six and six the seat gets hotter? Six and six is trouble for him because he's still signed to a pretty lucrative contract that they rushed into right after the first date. Well, you Notre Dame did Texas Tech. Yeah, this is not quite the wise deal, but yeah, you, Cliff will be fine either. your way.

Cliff will be fine either way. On a personal and financial level. But the problem with having a nice, uh, nice, juicy start of the season is there is a, I'm going to say there's a good month, almost month and a half where they could lose every game.

They could easily go on a six game losing streak here, starting with that Kansas state game on the road, ending with the Oklahoma state game on the road. I don't see, all right, I don't see them starting with the Kansas state game. game because I just We'll discuss this in a moment

because we have Kansas State on the docket but Kansas State I think they are firmly in decline That's true I mean you having no defense doesn't matter when they have no offense Yeah they have no offense

Their ability to pass the ball That might be kind of a problem Against somebody like Texas Tech who Yeah K State's going to try to slow you down Okay You're not slowing down Five and six I'm tired of this

Okay Yeah there we go There we go I'm a dissenting vote I'll assent to six and six sure because we got to vote we got to get on with this i think i'm going to boldly say that this is an eight and four team oh you're stupid eight and four i i i feel confident that you will not have that prediction for our last team on this week's episode

the kansas state family band yeah uh let's wait can we play a quick game before we get into this i'd like to okay uh this is going this game is very simple. It's called, is Bill Snyder older or younger than this person? I have four people. I'm going to just say their name, and Jason and Spencer, you each guess whether Bill Snyder is older or younger

than that person. Are you ready? Okay. Okay. Person one. Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight, famed Indiana coach. Older. I'm going to go. Older. I'm going to go. Older. Bill Snyder is older than Bobby Knight. By

a year. Ted Turner. media magnate I'm going to say that he is younger than Ted Turner Jason I'll say older Spencer gets it he's younger than Ted Turner okay

Kenny Rogers yeah Kenny Rogers old as hell but he doesn't look it thanks to the wonders of medicine I just stood in front of one of those chicken ovens for a while, baked his skin into a permanent russet red. What if you red did face off with Kenny Rogers and a rotisserie chicken? There's a handsome rotisserie chicken out there somewhere.

And Kenny Rogers just looks like Kenny Rogers. Kenny Rogers, older or younger? I will say that Kenny Rogers is, let's say, he had a band. The band, he's probably around 30 when that band broke. Right. Right. Ron Prince was in that band. Yeah, Ron Prince is in that band.

That was what condition my condition was in. He was the guy was in that band. So it's like 67, I'll say he's 37. So we are neck and neck here. This is margins of margins. I'll say Snyder's older. I will say that Snyder's younger than Kenny Rogers. Oh, Spencer again.

Bill Snyder is slightly younger than Kenny Rogers than the last one. Jimmy Kahn. Beloved actor. Is Bill Snyder older or younger than James Kahn? Older. I'm going to go older. I'm going to go younger because, yeah, younger. Okay, this is Spencer's first miss.

Bill Snyder is older. Finally. That was three and one. Yeah, that's probably better than Kansas State will go. All right, so let's be fair. Kansas State last year, horrifically injured all year long. Yeah. There's a reason Joe Hubeter ended up being the quarterback.

I think they get like two starting caliber quarterbacks back this year. The problem was that they also were very bad. There was at no point where they were not that injured team that sort of figures out how to correct for those problems, finds depth somewhere they didn't know that they had it, and turns it around. They were just kind of crappy all year. Yeah, bad all year, bad in terms of the defense because not only did they give up yards, they'd manage to let you the end zone with ease. They did not pass the ball. And I mean, not at all, not worth a lick, not where they were 107th, I believe, overall in total, in total passing. Yeah, it was a little, watching Kansas State game was a little like watching somebody play Super Mario 2 where technically you can throw things, but, you know, distance and accuracy and things like that.

It just was, it was a lot like watching somebody heave a giant turnip at a dinosaur. Yeah, and the dinosaur is a really good metaphor here, because without playmakers, like, somebody like Tyler Lockett from the 2014 team, this team ran out of any ability to stretch the field whatsoever. It got bad. Got bad. So, looking at all their advanced stats, I don't really see a single thing they were all that good at. Right. Other than, here, let's see, let me, let me list all these things they were top 10 at. Okay. And this is like out of tons and tons of stats.

A power success rate on defense So on like fourth and two They'll stop you, sure That happens Like once a month Let's see, this is on football study Hall's stats page Special team, they were pretty good on special teams

Passing down sack rate Okay If they're able to get you to third and long With their mediocre defense, they'll do something right uh oh percent of solo tackles forced by the offense first in the country so that means um they spread you out pretty well but then nothing happened that's good they were able to make a lot of your players tackle them very close to the line they want you they want you to shine they want you to be on a pedestal yeah bill Snyder distributes solo tackles

like their like their candies and like their handwritten letters here here's a worthers for everyone. Let me write this in purple ink for you. Yeah, I don't. I mean Kansas State might not win a road game all year. They start with... Road games. The road schedule is savage. They start with Stanford. They start with Stanford.

Then they go to West Virginia. Then they go to Oklahoma. Then they go to Iowa State, which granted, hey, it's just Iowa State. Ask Texas about going to Iowa State. Don't do that. Iowa State is the abandoned house that is full of murderous ghosts.

one but only once a year just you have to pick the the right day to avoid it it's murder ghost night yeah it was who was scarier when he was alive at least it's the state puff marshmallow offense um and then they go on the road to baler and tCU that sucks and it sucks because uh bill schneider he's 76 yeah it's probably just it's probably his last season and this puts Kansas State back in the same situation they got some good years out of him in the second tour they really did i mean it's worth noting that all four of the people that i named in the older younger game none of those people kenny rogers bobby knight james con ted turner none of those guys are doing shit now yeah they all did things past tense our man's still

sitting here with a full-time job uh-huh holding it down james con is just like yeah whatever terrible NBC show sponsor of the shutdown podcast Ted Turner didn't even try to bring the trash back home yeah

that's right so like there is something to be said for Bill Snyder achieving at this age what he has Bill Snyder

never did the Tom Warner AOL merger I mean re Bill Snyder achieving what did he achieve last year

I'm not not to speak ill of of you know the grandfather of this shit but I mean

effort yeah it's great effort it's not good and it's probably bill Snyder's last season it probably won't be that great look and they're recruiting it's just as the same as it ever was that part stayed consistent which is not that great relying a lot of juco transfers their current quarterback by the way deeply k-state joe hubner is a big old white dude who's a trans who's a walk on he's a vintage refrigerator come to life yeah exactly he's a character from the brave little toaster that ends up drowning in a river he is he walked right off the set of smallville right into the hearts of every k-state fan he's like if they said are you out of colin klein can you give us more of that whole milk nature's aphrodisiac yeah this

one has no arm that's fine it's fine we'll just staple the ball to him he's like a scarecrow it's rural that's endearing yeah um so case state when i did my bowl projections a month or two ago i didn't have case date going to a bowl and that was the most complained about thing besides all of my playoff picks like that was that was the fifth most complained about thing um so kishu fans are expecting a bowl this year i can definitely report that much uh and and we are clearly not is that just based on the strength of they were hurt last year they're by

definition this year and they still managed to go to a bowl last year but the best team they beat was i mean it's basically your choice between west virginia and louisiana tech i mean there could be a ball i mean f a u missouri state uh iowa state kansas texas tech at home i'm calling this this this is the five and set a case state on the charity case they are the five one of the five oh they're the five and seven they're the five they go to a bowl game but they work hard at school exactly and for the bill stunt they'll be like it's bill's last game he'll coach the ball game i thought they're supposed to do that by APR no no no no no it's aged person respect that's it's for it have a work there's right