Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 4.44 - WARNING: Contains Purdue Content

Episode Date: October 16, 2016

Because we cannot agree on whether Week 7 was good or bad, we broke it up into its constituent parts. GOOD: - Ohio State and Wisconsin, even though only one of them could win - ACC Lead Detective Mitch Trubisky - A bear eating hot dogs at a casual yet alarming rate (there's a connection here, don't worry) - Papa John being as Papa John as possible - Dino Babers and the Syracuse offense BAD: - Referees (see Tulsa v. Houston; In re Luke Falk Pass Attempt) - Spencer's attitude towards Florida - Kliff Kingsbury and the Texas Tech offense - Attempting to out-motivate P.J. Fleck - Georgia running the ball with a 5'8 wide receiver on 4th and 1 - Against Vanderbilt - Georgia lost to Vanderbilt NEITHER GOOD NOR BAD BUT MERELY FACT: - A lot of meanness concerning Notre Dame - Historic Purdue accomplishments - Arkansas 34, Ole Miss 30, a game we barely mentioned but please don't take it to mean anything, sometimes we just get distracted and stupid Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown fullcast. I am Spencer Hall. Hey, I'm broadcasting live from the Herman Plex. I'm actually in the athletic offices of the University of Houston after a lovely sit down with the head coach Tom Herman. The Hermannium, I believe it's called the Hermanium. The Hermannium. Yes, the Hermannion. The Hermannion.

Live from the Hermannion. I work for SB Nation. we talk about college football in this podcast uh hi jason kirk college football uh editor how are you i'm all right um that saturday sucked but i'm all right it's on to bigger and better week eights now the week seven is done can you can you talk about like i granted i was watching it while mostly attending to a newborn so i was not as invested in it as you were but why it didn't looking back i'm like it doesn't look like it sucks looked like there were some things we had you know a ranked matchup that went to overtime we had

nc state giving clemson a scare we you know there was there was something here wasn't there why was it so bad yeah there were two good games in 15 hours yeah and i i will also concur that compared to the joy of a new soul that you helped bring into the world um it was not as good as that sure georgia lost of vanderbilt okay so three good games but that's still not not not quite enough to sustain an entire Saturday. But it was okay. It was okay. And now it's in the past.

And we can talk about the things that happened. And also the things that happened Friday night, which I believe we are a little bit more excited about than the things that happened Saturday, as I understand. The three good games, if you were to pick them, Jason, if you were saying, oh, well, we have three quality games. Because I have one we might have forgotten about, but I want to hear your three before.

We decide that this week was entirely, but... Well, Clemson, NC State went to overtime, sure. Overtime games involving top five teams are, by definition, good. Ohio State, Wisconsin was legitimately good. Ole Miss Arkansas was Ole Miss Arkansas, which means it came down to a ball thrown over someone's head on a fourth and long that bounced in Arkansas's favor, because that's what happens in that rivalry

and everything else just kind of took place. Okay, I have one. Houston Tulsa was a great game. I'm not just saying that because I'm in the building. It was great. It was a very entertaining game.

Other things were on at the time, but it came down to two plays. One, where Houston had, I think, 18 men on the field. Maybe a golf cart. They might have had the helmet car driving on. at the same time the refs missed it i think it there was actually a guy so off sides it looked like what happens when you turn off sides off in a video game it looked like in a old

atari football game where you could hack your way to a sack by running toward the secondary and continuing until you went off the screen and then reappearing behind the quarterback that's how far offside these dudes were right and the officiating crew missed it which is fine. I like it when officiating crews missed up. Officiating crews really don't play a large enough part in our games. For instance, I don't know, last night during the Washington State UCLA game, Washington State's quarterback drilled a perfect pass right into the breadbasket of the field umpire.

Like right into it. Field umpire should have been anywhere but where he was. And then the quarterback just drilled it right to him. Did he catch it? Nope. Nope. He dropped it. Like the very least you could do if you're going to be that.

wrong as an official is grab it turn up field and try to get to the end zone so hold on i have i have a weird question here let's say let's say the he does catch the ball whether he means to or not and let's say um a quick thinking in this case ucla defender grabs the ball from him and starts running live ball i think we just stop the game and quit at that it hasn't hit it hasn't hit the ground and an official is part of the field right so i yeah yeah yeah live ball okay that would be if it were if it bounced off the ref if it bounced right we would call it live right because every time somebody's wants to say college football is rigged like that's what i really want to see i want to see a a an official volleyball set a pass so that the

opposing defense has an easy pick six while pumping their fist and running to the end zone screaming back door cover i want to see a conference refs standing next to a touchdown being caught in the end zone and then fist pumping immediately after signaling the touchdown. Or actually, we already saw that. Hook him. That was fun.

Go horns, baby. Laugh from the greatest state in the nation. It was good. I enjoyed Tulsa Houston, not just because I was there. That helped. But also because, yeah, it came down to the last plate where a tight end moved parallel to the end zone

as closely to the goal line as possible without breaking it. I've never seen anything quite like that. He could have skated on a line infinitely, like into the horizon and never crossed the plane with two defenders on him. It was bizarre. So I think that was one game you might be neglecting. We're going to talk about those other games. I did want to mention the most important game of the week and its most important event. Ryan, you can read my mind. You know what I'm talking about. This is Jason said we want to talk about Friday. And while you might look at that and say,

Ooh, look at that. BYU, beat Mississippi State. Not so good for Dan Mullen. That's not the game we're talking about. No, no, no. We're talking about Louisville 24, Duke 14, and the reason we're talking about this game has nothing to do with the score

or any of the statistics they're in because, do you know what? The box score does not contain? Burnouts. Donuts cut by Big Papa. Spencer, can you walk us through what the fuck happened here? Remember, this podcast is devoted to college football, but a close second in terms of

interest is tracing the actions, behavior, and lifestyle of John Schnatter, the head of Papa Johns and Papajohns.com. Pope John the greasy. Yeah. What I liked about this was somebody, somebody tweeted, I think somebody first tweeted at Spencer and said it was just a picture of the scoreboard at Louisville or the video screen and you could see Papa's signature. Is it a Camaro?

I forget. It is a gold Camero. Yes. I'll get you the year. But yeah, it's a goal Camaro. And so Spencer rightly assumed, oh, they're showing a terrible Papa John's commercial on the video screen. Which we're fondest of the commercial that debuted the Papa John's theme song where he shows up randomly to Holmes bearing Papa John's pizza in the Camero, bearing pizzas, and with the music playing behind him, this awful rib joint blues song going, go big Papa. Yeah, in the background.

The one that everyone at Papa John's allegedly said, no, don't do this. Don't beat this guy. Papa doesn't listen. Because if you are the very rich primary booster of a college football program, what do you use your access and influence to get you? Do you demand, you know, face time with coaches? Sure, maybe. Do you want to weigh in on what should be happening? Maybe Phil Knight's style?

You want to have a hand in what's. going on on the field that's one option or if you're papa john you say hey guess what louisville i'm bored on a friday so i want to bring my camara out to the field and just and just tool around in it and then give out free pizza and that's exactly what papa john did for no for no apparent reason yeah fuck it n afl what do your owners do they just glower from the box like oligarchs i mean can you imagine how much better panthers games would be if jerry richardson like like like like parachuted into a game and and just started like frisbying out hardy's food all jerry richardson wants to do is slap children that's it if jerry richardson floated in on the house that

he uh sailed to south america with little red balloons um and and met like large birds in the beloved pixar movie i don't know about beloved man up is feared feared fear Just fast forward, fast forward through the first few minutes. And you're good. Just think of it as prep for the 2016 Panthers season. It's going pretty bad. Yeah. So, yeah, this was, after Spencer said, oh, they're showing the commercial, that's hilarious.

No, it got better. No, no, no, no. Louisville fans began bombing us with reports that, no, no, no, this is actually happening. There's a cloud of smoke, like, blowing from his Camaro. And, like, photos of him peeling back up off the field. you'll skir and leaving just it was a gigantic fucking cloud that his camero cranked out what i like about papa john is that he he's you i assume you both seen roadhouse he is brad wesley but if brad wesley had no criminal ambitions whatsoever he was just like hey man i just want to

drive my car and you know just just do whatever the hell i want no reason just love me please god love me. That's, that's all. It is 1972 Z28. Suddenly we get picture after picture of the slice. The slice! Some people problematically call the oven. We'd prefer to refer to it as the slice. Him on the backtrack

at Papa John's Cardinal Stadium just ripping sweet burnouts in his 1972 Z28 before exiting the car going up to the stands and just throwing pizza everywhere. My God! Yeah.

This is what you get to do if you're a booster in college football. You get to interrupt the entire production, so it's about you in the stadium that's already called Papa John, okay? You get to watch everyone make you rip sweet burnouts. Like, what kind of... And it's not even like this is a 7 and 5 Louisville team

where you're like, you know, it's fine. This is the fucking number seven team in the country that came within a yard, potentially, of beating Clemson on the road and being in the driver's seat, that is a pun, for a playoff spot. And Pop John's like, nope, still got to bring out the Camaro fuck faces. I think we still need some more attention around here. We just really don't have enough, enough, you know, Lamar Jackson,

he's not really big enough celebrity for this town. How many pizzas he sold? Fuck him. Fuck that kid. Turn those cameras on. Yeah. Does Lamar Jackson have posit track? Oh, they say he's fast, huh?

We'll try and race these horses. Here we go. Spencer, what, what album do you think, it's a tape? What tape do you think Papa John has in the Camaro at all times? He has jailbreak by Thin Lizzie, and it's the boys are back in town, and he doesn't ever listen to any song past that. that or jailbreak. It's that.

He never even gets the Cowboys song. It's just those two, rewind, go right back to it. The boys are back. That's it. It's either that or it's foreigner hot-blooded. There's no way anything else. Why is there not a series of Papa John's? I have to assume because foreigner or whoever owns the rights of their music at this point said no.

But there should be all Papa John's commercials should be foreigner theme. you know foreigners not exactly the bastion of creative independence no you think they would sell a song or two for an ad but you know like foreigner when papa john's like yeah man i want to use double vision because we have a double pizza special foreigners like nah man nah no sorry can't let it can't let it happen we got a lot of business opportunities on the table right now we just don't have time for this particular venture listen bad we're we're unveiling a new 20 minutes or less delivery policy. I need urgent. I need it. Nope. Sorry, man. I'll pay you $3 million. Nope. Okay. Okay. Listen, I want to just, this is not for commercial use.

I just, every time I send a dick pick, I want to use waiting for a girl like you. No, nope, for that. You can use dirty white boy, though. You can have dirty white boy for your dick picks. Free of charge. We acknowledge that song is so sad that. But, yeah, it should, it's worthless. There's no cash value to this.

That would be the best is to say, you can use this song with your dick pick because your dick pick has no inherent cash value, therefore. This is not a commercial use. Are you saying somebody wouldn't pay a dollar for money? Nope, nobody pay a dollar for that, Jimmy. Not one dollar. Let's talk about Saturday. Yeah, Jason, you can pick first because you were the least happy and with a, you know, with good reason. what game do you want to start with let's get bama tennessee out of the way

who oh god because honestly this was the most entertaining and intriguing game like everything else was like yeah this went overtime you know and then the ending was yeah sure it was an overtime ending this was the um the game of interest and the one that really changed things the most um bama putting up 400 something rushing yards bama just saying like i don't know why pass just have our quarterback run around too sure that's easy Tennessee putting up, I think, 180, 160 yards on the day. Tennessee not even turning the ball over and still not having an offense was the amazing part. Bama's defense and special teams outscoring Tennessee.

So many fun facts all throughout the box score. An Alabama player offering a high five to a Tennessee fan who, how did he respond? He struck the traditional pose of the Tennessee fan, which is, arms folded, pointing at the field grumpily, surveying things that did not please him. Aha. Arms folded, leaning back. He later said he wished he had taken Bo Scarborough up on the high five. Did either of you ever watch, it aired on Fox, like, probably back in the early 2000s.

It was a short-lived special called Man versus Beast, where they would have people can compete against animals and random competitions. My friend, competition only begins to cover the glory of the six-ass man and beast to do on that show. Do you know the one that I'm thinking of specifically for the Tennessee Bama game? The bear eating the hot dog versus Kobe. That is correct. That is correct. Tennessee, you were Kobayashi, you had a great season so far, done things that we thought were not possible previously, exceeded expectations, looked at the part. You went up against a Kodiak bear

And the bear just shoveled hot dogs Down its gullet with no trouble at all Yeah, if you have never seen this You'll never take an L bigger than the one Kobayashi takes here Because it's a bear The bear's not even that interested To be off the bear

The bear doesn't know it's a race The bear is just eating hot dogs Because they're there and because it can Sort of like Bama running for yards Yeah It's amazing. By the time the bear is done, Kobayashi is still furiously working away, and the bear smoked in by, I guess, the hot dog equivalent of 39 points.

Whatever 39 points is in hot dogs. And there is an Alabama fan out there who can do that calculation. That's what happened. Yeah. If you don't, by the way, we will include the video. I promise in the post with this so you can see this because it'll make your life more complete spiritually you'll be a better person for having watched this because

they obviously the bear just eats bear just destroys everything doesn't even know what's going on and goes about his business but they cut in a scene of it roaring as if to taunt Kobayashi right completely unrelated right like I'm sure the bear just walked out like

the trainer was like hey you should roar and the bear's like I can do that cool but they cut it so that like Kobayashi gets owned just devastated in this competition and then they flashed to the bear and they had this shot of the bear being like yeah bitch I'm a bear

and that's Alabama like if you want Alabama 2016 so far it's this yeah bitch I'm a bear good God how many how many touchdowns? They're going to make t-shirts how many touchdowns on defense does Alabama have at this point

defense and special teams combined is 11 Stanford's offense has nine I think Stanford one stand for one I ain't hearing that. I ain't hearing that. South Carolina's offense also has nine. Oh, that one got a laugh.

Okay. Yeah, well, motivation. Reason and motivation. Boy, just, yeah, Alabama is terrifying. And listen, we said this last week. Tennessee super beat up. Definitely look super beat up. I think there was one point where they did not have a scholarship defensive tackle available to them,

which, yeah, that's a good way to get your ass run over. um i hope that they can that they can get some guys back so that they continue what they were doing but at this point i don't know from tennessee that i would necessarily want to win the cc east and therefore play alabama again yeah uh godfrey was at this game and he was in tennessee's locker room talked to a few players you know he's asking him like trying to find the motivation level for the rest of the season and it's sort of uh yeah yeah we want we want bama again you know And I'm sure they do. I'm sure they'd like another chance.

But you just want to tell them like, you don't have to. It's okay. It doesn't have to be this one. You can go nine and three. That's pretty good. Also, I want to tell them, I want to say that it hurt. But I don't know if that hurt was purely physical or especially physical because there is a stat that will blow your mind about rushing yards with contact. that

I really sort of like it may be blink like several times you know just because it didn't look right right but in terms of

yards with contact right Bama according to Cole Kublich on Twitter who does analysis for the SEC network Alabama on their rushes they had 14 rushes where no contact

was made until 10 yards downfield. That's tied for the most in a game by a Power 5 team the last five years. So consider that on 14 of their rushes in the game, all right? And that's 49 total rushes, right? I'm talking a huge percentage. They did not. The ball carrier did not see an orange and white jersey until the 10-yard mark.

Huh. Uh, here's the good news if you're a Tennessee fan. You now, you get, you get next week off, and then you play the following five matchups at South Carolina, at home versus Tennessee Tech, home versus Kentucky and Missouri, and at Vanderbilt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, you're still favored to win the East. Bill's, Bill's S&P plus numbers, you know, have, still have Tennessee edging Florida here. I would like to use this as a shhersweet. I would like to use this as a shameless transition to talk about how Vanderbilt beat Georgia.

Oh, wait. Hey, right, right. Vanderbilt beat Georgia? Vanderbilt beat Georgia because Georgia... Hey, y'all, Vanderbilt beat Georgia. Vanderbilt beat Georgia because Georgia could not get one yard on fourth and one. Because Georgia telegraphed exactly the play was going to run. Vandy called timeout, and then Georgia ran that play.

Yep. Yep. Now, let's describe this play. Before we get into the actual logistics of how this happened. Which, might I say, oh, you fritted away a 346-yard performance by your freshman quarterback. A good 346-yard performance by your freshman quarterback. Who, on fourth and one, I don't know. He'd been playing well. It might make sense to go ahead and give him a chance to throw the ball, right? If you're not going to run Nick Chub up the middle, which is probably what you should do anyway, because it's on fourth and one. Georgia lines up and Jason who's in the backfield is it Nick Chubb I don't know yeah I remember various motions I remember the exact same motions going on before and after the time out I don't know who caught who took the who toaded the rock though yeah yeah that would be that'd be I believe Isaiah McKenzie right toting the rock on this play 58 175 huh yeah yeah that's That's not, that's who does it. Not Nick Chubb, Nick Chubb, your powerback.

Nick Chubb, the next Herschel, the next Herschel part 8.0. So not Nick Chub, not Sonny Michelle, not one of the three or four fullbacks you always have if you're Georgia. Nope, not your big ass quarterback either. I mean, think about it. That's a possibility of that point. You got one yard to go. Why don't you just put that big old lunk over the line of scrimmage and see what happens, right?

That's a possibility here. That's like option three or four that you could have gone with here. But instead, they go with option like 28. which is you put Isaiah McKenzie, a wide receiver, a good one, by the way, in the back field, you fake to the fullback position, and you toss right to Isaiah McKenzie. And how'd that go?

No gain. No yards gained. None. No yards gained. And that's how you lose to Vanderbilt. If you want to know how this happens statistically, one word, must champ. this is a must champ game this is a much camp math game he's untainted the whole c c e it's it i mean

it really i mean i i struggle to think of a time when a well must champ team threw for nearly 350 yards but other than that small unimportant detail and it literally was unimportant um god yeah who is the least must champ team in the cc east probably tennessee Hmm Yeah Even though they can only score on like fumble recoveries No remember Sometimes must champ team scored on block punks

That happened every now and then too Okay so they have to do that and then they'll be a much champ team Sure then they got it But this game if you notice Somehow Georgia lost a game in which they Had 23 first down So Vanderbilt's nine They had 421 yards of offense

To 171 By Vandy possession somewhat meaningless but they had it for just to just to give you the point nobody even turned the ball over in this game Georgia had 35 minutes of total possession here and they got 16 points

out of it and they had 16 points out of it so do we think that Kirby Governor Kirby will win out and match Mark Rick's two final records as Georgia head coach because that's what he has to do in order to finish with Georgia's third straight 10 and 3

which is not good enough for it yeah i don't know can we go to the schedule can we go to the tape so there's uh george is also off next week and then we've got the cocktail party uh so yep i'm sure spencer and i are already excited to talk about that they play at kentucky then they host auburn a game which through the first month of the season you were sort of looking at and saying like oh well aburn oburn shit now uh that might not be true plus auburn has a defense that i would say is just as good, if not better than Vanderbiltz. They host Louisiana Lafayette, and then they have the Georgia Tech

game to end the season. Not so bad. It's not so bad. It feels like there's definitely one more loss in those five. I'm going to say. I'm going to say. If you don't know the, if you don't know the emotional map of your

Georgia fan, losing to Florida sucks, but it's not losing to Auburn. No. It's not tag of losing the Auburn because the South's oldest rivalry is built on one emotion and that's not hatred it's loathing it's a deep-seated loathing that they even have to play this game which doesn't for SEC standing but also but also that it involves so many players that both teams recruited and of course the other team cheated to get that guy that's yeah that that's so real like Georgia of various ages

and geographies, you know, Georgia fans, they have their own rivalry lists and whatever, and that's fine, but it is a very different kind of thing. Like Florida, you know, they're all too drunk to you really even remember and stay mad after that game. Auburn, you got to go to church after George and Auburn play. You really have to dwell and meditate on the ramifications.

You know what Georgia fans get maddest about in the Florida rivalry and vice versa? But more Georgia fans, that they paid money to go. Every single one of them will have to Great. Oh, God damn, but I have to get a hotel room for this. Shirley, we're not doing this. Surely, we are not doing this next year. I have to come down here. Jackal Island sucks.

I got to write Randy a check for this house in St. Simons. He goes and breaks the window when we lose like he does every year. Every goddamn time. Every goddamn time. And then I got to pay for the food. I got to chip in for liquor. I got to bail Steve out. because Steve got stupid again and mouthed off to the cop.

Go Jags. That's what Georgia fans complain about. You know what they complain about with Auburn? They're like, I hate life. I hate this game, and I hate that I have to live this life where I have to play Auburn. I'm sure my fans feel the same way. You don't hear Georgia fans saying, oh, the cheating-ass gators. You don't hear that.

But you will hear, oh, Auburn fucking cheated in recruiting, in transfer. on the field, in their devotion to our Heavenly Father, the one that we share and that he likes them more than us. They're too showy. They're too showy with their Jesus. They're shoy with their faith. I think it's because Georgia almost regards

Auburn people as human, whereas Florida fans off the map. Entirely different. Right. Yeah. Some sort of animate slime bowl that specializes in insurance fraud. That's Florida fandom. But Florida didn't lose to Vanderbilt this week. I mean, please, at least when we put up nine first down, sometimes we win that game.

That's true. Yeah, I will say, it's not like Florida's offense. It did much of anything for most of the game against Missouri, but that's okay because Florida's still figured out how to score points. It doesn't matter what happened. Yeah, we kind of returned the favor, didn't we? Like, that was, this is the, this is the inverse of the game in 2014. Yes. Where, remember, Will Must champ's team broke math by allowing something like 126 total yards and losing by 26 points?

Yeah. Yeah, this is the opposite of that. So, Florida, the offense still looks horrendous. Like, I know that you're paying for better efficiency overall, but good God. It's fine. I've given up. It's fine. It's fine.

You put up 40 points, did you not? Florida ran the ball all right. Florida still can't throw the ball. Luke Del Rio comes back and throws three picks. But the good news is that they held Missouri as a team passing to seven completions on 22 attempts. You won by 26 points. What are you unhappy about here? No, we're not unhappy.

I'm not unhappy. I'm unhappy, but I don't know. See what I'm saying. I'm not unhappy. I didn't watch this game, but I'm not unhappy. If you're one person, that's part of the issue here. That's fine. No, we're different. Remember, Ryan is giving up hope. He gave up hope a time ago. It's not that I gave up hope. It says that I was just like, I don't need to invest. This is a bad emotional investment. It's fine. I still like Florida. I still wish good things for them. I just decided to stop putting, stop putting my heart into it. Yeah, that was a really good call. I'm not criticizing you for that.

Thank you. it's not worth it thank you yeah speaking of speaking of emotional investments that aren't worth it oh here's my segue nc state football oh god this sucked i mean i have nothing against clemson but that poor kicker that poor fucking kicker i kind of liked like i like nc state like i i kind of like this team oh yeah my takeaway from this game is notre dame's lucky they got to play nc state in a hurricane. Yeah, because this was a team that, like, they had a brilliant game plan,

and they've had brilliant game plans against better competition. The game plan against Clemson was to throw screens because Clemson's super aggressive and Brett Venables will just come after you. They knew that to run the ball when they could. And to defensively to just pressure the crap out of Deshawn Watson, which worked. that's how you get to 1717 at the end and then your kicker misses the winning field goal his third miss of the of the day which is the real that's the real shit of it yeah that he got

out there and the coach said no man you got this one nope well and what also what also sucked was Clemson had a timeout left at the end of the game North Carolina State is lining up for what will be appears to be the game winning field goal Gabbo freezes the kicker. A thing that we all collectively hate and have, I think, agreed that doesn't actually do anything, but whatever, that timeout wasn't going to do you any good afterwards. Kicker goes ahead and, you know, they snap the ball anyway, and he follows through and it's beautiful. It's right down the middle. And sure enough, he comes out after the timeout and just pushes that bad boy to the right.

Yeah. And much to the jubilation of Clemson fans, they go to OT. It doesn't work out. Did I miss something with Deshawn Watson, by the way, that he's inaccurate because he throws for like 63%. And he throws a lot of deep lottery balls that are speculative. I think when he misses, he misses. I think it's just a real spectacle of a miss. I mean, he's like the numbers.

He's accurate enough. Like more than accurate enough, especially, you know, given some of the positions he has to throw from when he's on the run. Yeah, he's like 63, 64% on the year, close to his career average, if not above. Like, I, yeah, this was apparently a, this was apparently a narrative that went out that I missed the memo on. Was, was not, was not helped by the fact that, um, Wayne Galman, who had, who had finally kind of started to turn the corner after a slow start to the season, had a good game against Louisville, looked good against Boston College. He gets knocked out, uh, early in this game on a half. on a uncalled, it was unflagged altogether, right? Yep.

Yeah, it was a crowned down straight to the head and everything. Yeah, that didn't help. They couldn't run the ball. And Watson threw the ball 52 times. 52 throws for 24 points in overtime is not quite ideal, in my opinion. They got the W. They got the damn W because, you know, if you want to talk about ACC quarterbacks who couldn't get the damn W,

you what up bragg kaya oh good good god so that whole miami being good thing we can um we can dial back well they lost to the knolls and that always just ends their season um disregard the actual strength of schedule and that things have actually gotten harder we can just say they lost to the knolls so they've given up on the season yeah so they gave up well we're really ignoring the real assassin in the ACC and that's uh syracuse no no i mean that larry fedora i know mich Mitch trubisky oh okay when you Mitch when you mess when you mess with the true dog he best not miss true misky does have sort of a like late 80s detective uh tv series feel to it trubisky trubesky you're badge and your gun you're a loose cannon trubisky well

Trubisky got out and solved the case himself, son. You don't want Chubisky's gun. You get lit up. I mean, and it wasn't like UNC didn't invite Miami back into this game. They did not score in the second half. Nope. They were up 20 to 3 and failed to prosecute the case. But Trubisky pulled one out off suspension at the last minute.

The chief forgave him. They end up with a 20 to 13 win over Miami. Trubisky gets results. I hate that man. but god damn it i respected the the ac c coastal now um finally has found it's it's true equilibrium it sort of look like virginia tech and miami might run away with it and then they both lost and now it's devouring itself perfect as we as we uh you know we sort of wait each season for the acc coastal to just become one big pile of nothing and yes we have reached it they're

doing it actually it's virginia still like one and o in the acc i have i refused to They're one in one. They lost a pit. They lost a pit. But Pitt is still there at two and one. Sure. Yeah, I'll count them in that big puddle. So, yeah.

Still anybody's game, unless you're Georgia Tech or Dick. Delicious puddle of football content that is the ACC. Duke, of course, because wins over Notre Dame do not count toward the ACC's standings, as we'll recall. If that were the case, Duke and NC State and several other teams would be doing well at this point. including Stanford. Stanford would be 1-0 an ACC playing. Michigan State would also have an ACC event. That would be a lot better than they're doing in the Big Ten. My.

I can't even remember. Oh, Texas also would have finally joined the ACC. Man, at this point, it's hard to remember all the teams Notre Dame has lost to. This is awesome. Hi. If you weren't paying attention at all, Michigan State, the defense that you love and respect so very much, gave up six touchdowns to Northwestern and lost. 54 to 40 yeah yeah we uh we crying jordan marked antonio and rich homie kwan um that felt that felt

fair after you know all the jokes we've made at michigan's expense it's fair is fair yeah this was a northwestern offense that by the way uh like a hundred and eighteenth i think in the nation coming into this game yeah popped out of that swamp nice and hard this is not a turn of the century northwestern this is no this is extreme family Pat Fitzgerald Northwestern. There's a linebacker in charge, and it shows, except when you're playing Michigan State. Yeah.

We now get to play the unfortunate game we've played with Oregon and Notre Dame. Is Michigan State going to make a bowl game? Because right now, they're sitting at two and four, and they still have to play Michigan and Ohio State two teams that look like they should just demolish them. L. L. L. L. They're head of Notre Dame in the APR line. Okay.

Well, they got that going for them. They still have to go to Maryland and Illinois. Those, in theory, should both be wins, but you just, again, you just gave up 54 points to Northwestern at home, so nothing is real. You do get to play Rutgers, though. If there's one guaranteed W, I'm going to give the Spartans, it's that home game against Rutgers on November 12th. What if you lose to Rutgers, though? No, stop it. No.

What do you do, though? Illinois almost shut out Rutgers. That's true. Yeah, but what if you lose to record? No, no, no, no, no, no. Because, like, you gave up 50 whatever to Northwestern. I think that's comparable to putting only, like, 13 on Rutgers, something like that, you know, and then, oh, maybe two weird plays break. Oh, oh, shit, you just lost a record.

Jesus Christ. Jesus. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Yeah. But, hey, a Big Ten coach did get fired this weekend. Yeah. We are on minute 41, and we're going to mention that a Power 5 head coach was just fired today.

Yeah, that would be here. That's not what Port Perdue is. If you are, yeah, the exact number required to be fired at Purdue, it's not, you can get away with 9 and 32. 9 and 33 will not stand. What was their final result? I cannot recall. They lost to Iowa by two touchdowns. That's what it was.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Keep talking. I'm going to look something up. Coach Killer, Kirk Farron. So they had like an okay against the reigning Big Ten West champion. And that just they said, oh man, we lost to a team that only beat Rutgers

by seven. It's time to make a change. Yeah, if you did not, if you were not following along on various forms of social media yesterday, I think, and I'm pretty sure they were considering replacing Daryl Hazel. Let me go out in a limb and just say that after

going nine and 33 as a head coach and showing very little signs of improvement that they were considering replacing him. Now, let me also state that sometimes there's a tipping point where things become so apparent and embarrassing where you have to act. And yesterday, all I saw on the timeline for a minute and all I retweeted for a minute were things about how bad Purdue was, i.e., two players going for the same kickoff and returning it for, I don't know, a yard. Maybe two yards.

It looked like they kneeled it in the end zone and the refs just said, I didn't see it. We will. We will give you a pass. Is pretty the same team that earlier this season kneeled a punt or is that somebody else? Man, there's always some weird kneels. There was another weird kneel in this game where they called a timeout just to kneel. Yep. Yep, they call the time out to take a knee.

That happened. And I sort of think that that's the point where you decide. Yeah, we're going to fire this guy. And in case that isn't the thing that doesn't, when Purdue lines up for an onside and then kicks it 20 yards through the air. It's so booming. Like, it looked like they accidentally flicked to the power meter full. Like, they selected a squib kick from an onside formation.

I don't know how you do that. Yeah. Just booed it, sucker. What's unfortunate is this game came a day after what major facilities announcement at Purdue. They're finally getting lights. That's right. That's right.

Night football at Ross Aide Stadium is coming. After like three. God, nobody. I like, oh, boy. Imagine going to a Purdue home game that kicks off at 8.30. Yeah. You're going to have to sit through that. Whoever they end up hiring.

Purdue, if you wonder, by the way, to take a quick side jock that I don't want to entertain too much because as Purdue, football. There's just not many of you who pay attention to it or ever well. And here's why. Perdue has only won 10 games in a season. How many times? Uh, once. I'm going to say, yeah, okay. Great. Under whom? Under who? It was either Joe Tiller or somebody. I don't, I don't think Tiller ever got there. So it's got to be somebody way back in the day. I'm going to guess that this coach, this season predates my birth.

Mitch Trubisky. It was Mitch. It was M. True. No, this was Jim Young. Jim Young led Purdue to a 10-win-only. Don't be fooled by that name. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

And this is, like, everything about this is my favorite Purdue fact. First of all, Jim Young, he led them to 10 wins. I don't know how he did that. I'm going to have to look it up because scientifically, it seems improbable because it is the only 10-win season in school history. You might think, oh, yeah, man, Joe Teller, like, Drew Breeze. He could get him to 9. He just couldn't not quite pass that. No, no, no, they were really like pushing some shit.

Yeah, they were just losing like four games a year, too, minimum through that entire span. That's where Purdue was at. Then Young gets them to 10 wins. He has a 9-win season and a 5-win season, and he resigned to constant. concentrate on athletic administration so that's what Purdue's best result and the best coach they ever had did he quit to work as a suit but but two years later he resurfaced as a head coach at army yep he went to army where he was much more successful yeah so that's every single fact compounded in that narrative just gets richer and richer as you get deeper into the

story. That's the best coach to Purdue ever had. So when people are like, man, less miles should hire Purdue. Go to hell. Fuck you. So here's, here's my fun, here's my fun, 1979

Purdue fact. This is the year that they win 10 games, go 10 and 2, finish 10th in the final AP poll, great season. Passing, they finish the year with 17 touchdowns and 21 interceptions. So Purdue has always been Purdue. That's some, yeah, that's some

1970s passing stuff. That was before Sid Gilman or whoever discovered passing routes and they just, yeah, fuck it, throw it. Before we actually decided what passing the ball meant, right? There were three routes. I, what, is there anyone worth hiring at Purdue? What's the point of firing a coach? Who cares? Why does it matter?

One more thing that I have to remind everyone of, that if you win 10 games at Purdue you go to the Blue Bonnet Bowl in 1979 That's your big win buddy Mac Brown Purdue head coach next

Okay okay talk me into it Man that's disastrous If you if you did not see This is I did This is how bad it is Okay and I'm laughing Primarily out of sympathy Purdue fans A little bit at you

But also primarily of sympathy Because it's a hard pitch It's an engineering school in West Lafayette. West Lafayette, Indiana. You ever been there? Either of you ever been there? No. No.

The word, the word overcast. It's the first thing that comes to mind. Overcast, grim. It's a very hard sell with some academic standards to deal with. What if you could go to school in a Sam's Club that didn't sell anything? What if you could go to Georgia Tech, but with horrible Westchester? and not in a city that's hey that's that's what we're dealing with here and and poor Brian Bennett on the ESPN head to write the like who gets the next coaching job

and he's basically like uh you should get innovative their suggestion his suggestion was uh you know you should probably run the option that's where Purdue's at who yeah yeah that's it the word paul johnson is mentioned in this article without flinching i mean i mean if you consider perdu to be like an army of sadness they can be considered considered a service academy so this all fits i do want to retroactively apologize to you jason because i said at the beginning that i thought this looks like a pretty good week and we just spend at least ten minutes talking about per due so i'm saying my bad um can we talk about about either Ohio State, Wisconsin

or Arkansas Ole Miss or anything of consequence, please God. A few more thoughts on Purdue. Let's talk a little bit about more Purdue. I mean, look, BT, listen, Western Michigan's a better job than Purdue right now, yes?

Yeah. Okay. By the way, they scorched Akron to the ground after Akron made the very questionable decision to snap and burn and or uh western michigan's most prized nonsensical horse related emblem and they just fucking they raised the they raised acrin to the ground 41 zero what the fuck were you

thinking why would you why would you fuck with pj flex symbols he loves that shit this has got to be the dumbest move anyone has done all year you made p j flect mad he's already crazy yeah i mean could have just you could have just like mocked his you could have mocked his trademark dances and hand gestures like that that was the only thing that probably don't look at him don't even acknowledge him just I heard you're not there I heard your boat's leaky the fuck did you say oh no you dealt my it was just no you are you want to talk about seaworthiness motherfucker let's do this I I would love to talk about Ohio State Wisconsin because because I did go back and watch this game, and

this was a game where I actually thought, wow, both teams played as well as I thought they could have, under the circumstances. Like, because Wisconsin got its game, which was to drag you into a ditch and cover you in mud, and then beat you with sticks. That's every single

Wisconsin game. So Arnold Schwarzenegger in the last 30 minutes of Predator. Yep. Yep. Except drunk as hell. on really cheap beer. That's it. Bush life!

I would really like current fat Arnold Schwarzenegger to remake Predator. We'll just call it Wisconsin football. Timber Sports Predator. That's what Wisconsin is, right? Just out there with an I-voted for Scott Walker bumper sticker and an axe

waiting for you in the woods. That's Wisconsin. And they played a brilliant first half. Brilliant. They just didn't get touchdowns. They got into the red zone. and kept kicking field goals. And that as everyone is fond of saying,

boy, you hope that doesn't catch up to them. Football is sometimes really easy. When people see that and they say that, it's probably going to come true if you're dealing with a team as deep and talented as Ohio State. I also liked that J.T. Barrett played, honestly, kind of a crappy game for what he could be and what that offense could be,

and that they still won. I think there's a talent as a quarterback to having an off game and still coming out with a win and that means throwing only the passes you need at exactly the right moment which they did in OT and credit to J.T. Barrett

for that. He's been awesome. I don't know about the game day story where getting a DUI is something to overcome that's that seems that's a little contrived Tom Rinaldi I'm not going to quite buy it when you go this heartwarming story of a man who got a DUI okay cool I'm glad he's all right

Listen, it's relatable. It's relatable in Wisconsin. Okay. It's like gaining 50 pounds just to lose it. Exactly. Look, look at my excellent fitness journey. He did. I mean, he did have some good runs.

He carried the running game. This is one of the country's best defenses on the road, all that stuff. I didn't think it was a bad game at all. No, I enjoyed this game. I also enjoyed watching. I mean on J.T. part. Yeah. I also enjoyed watching Alex Hornibrook. I thought Hornybrook played for a freshman a great game. Made a critical mistake. They'll do that. But on the whole, I thought

Wisconsin played, yeah, about as well as I thought they could. They just staggered in the red zone a couple of times, and that's the difference. Yeah. All those red zone field goals, every time you kick a field goal in the red zone, it's the equivalent of leaving one door in your house unlocked before you go on vacation. If you do it once, okay, it's not a big deal. That's just the side door, whatever. Okay, you left the back door. Well, now you left the front door unlocked too.

This seems like you're just inviting theft at this point. And that's ultimately what Ohio State did. So kudos to them for that for their 20th road win. I know they didn't look overly impressive at times. Guess what? You're not going to look overly impressive against Wisconsin. It's just not going to happen. You don't get to look pretty against them.

Everyone is ugly if you're playing Wisconsin. They'll make you ugly, too. I do like also, I do also like that Wisconsin has a receiver whose name is Jazz Peavy. Jazz Peavy. Wisconsin's entire roster, great names, Hornybrook, Troy Humagallie, Robert Wheelwright, who everyone is praying. He catches a wheel route at some point. Jazz Peavy from Kenosha. Wisconsin.

Jazz Peevy. Wonders will never cease when you're dealing with the state that produces enough summer sausage to kill the nation. Any other games you want to discuss? Stanford beat Notre Dame. Stanford beat Notre Dame.

Is that something you want to talk about? How much of that did you watch? None, zero. I honestly, I kept track of it early. And I thought, well, they don't have Christian McCaffrey. I'm assuming this is, you know, going to be the game that finally Notre Dame gets over the hump, gets things together. And based on the first half, I was right. But then they played the other one. Welp. After the game, Brian Kelly got into it, a Stanford strength coach

who he says told him, bye, bye, bye. That's it. That's how, that's how frazzled this man is right now, that all you have to do is say bye and he'll be like that's that's unacceptable where's the respect for Notre Dame football that you think that's worth a beef Notre Dame is of course two and five I don't know if we've mentioned that two and five and and one in three at home

like everybody wants to talk about and understandably so what what Florida season ticket holders are getting for their money this year now that the LSU game is moved to Baton Rouge, consider the Notre Dame season ticket holder, what they have paid to see so far. A lost to Duke?

Those are valuable. You've gotten a win over Nevada. Great. You got a loss to Duke. Well, you've got the loss to Stanford, and you've got the loss in Michigan State. Also, the loss to Stanford that comes with a body clock's adjustment. So that was really like a 35 point loss.

You also now get to welcome. Miami fans in two weeks. I'm sure you'll get along great because they're in a good place mentally. Oh, and you also get a Navy team that's playing outstanding football. And then you can face the best Army team in recent history.

And then Virginia Tech. Goh. Yep. Let's talk about it. By the way, I want to pivot off that and talk about our beloved Syracuse Orangeman. Because as three of the biggest Syracuse fans on the internet.

I think we can acknowledge biggest win in years, correct? Yeah, I think the first time they beat a ranked team in four years, I believe, is what? And convincingly. Yeah, it was definitely a game that went down to the wire more than a two-touchdown game looks, but Eric Dungey's real good. Yeah, up 173 at the half, you know, against the Virginia Tech team that has looked good basically every week this year, even the loss to Tennessee was weirder than the score reflected.

This is a surprising one. And then after the game, the ESPN's video of Dino Babers telling his players, you know, Vegas favored them by 23 points, but they couldn't see your heart. They couldn't see my heart. You know, and like players sitting up on top of lockers, banging lockers with helmets. Man, like, we got in early on this Syracuse thing, but this train is going to keep rolling. folks we are just the first of many converts syracuse went four of five on fourth down in this game and that's great that's hell great that's i get excited just hearing that stat

syracuse is their defense is still i believe one of the five or ten worst in the country i can't remember terrible rushing or passing i'm not looking it up but it's still bad they are completely um they are everything that we hoped they would be so with that with that win it's official now that everybody Notre Dame has played with maybe the exception of Duke so don't count this completely has a better record than Notre Dame

I have to look at Duke because I think they might be below Syracuse did you fail me Syracuse? Nope Duke's ahead! I'm there! Even Michigan State? That might be right fuck, I forgot about them.

Yeah, I think they're two and four, which is better than two and five. Technically ahead! They are better than Notre Dame because they played less football. That's a thing Notre Dame should consider. But yeah, Syracuse looked really good. Virginia Tech is still, I think, I don't, I didn't look at this and say, oh, Virginia Tech got exposed or something like that. But it was, it's good to see two teams that hired.

I think we all collectively liked both of these hires, and it's nice that they're paying immediate dividends. that's a good thing both both perfect hires like like schematically culturally all that stuff you know just big east rivalries they're weird sometimes um but we have not talked about west virginia like at all this season and i feel we are obligated to at this point because they're five and oh they played a great game against texas tech just really just really made texas tech look like they didn't belong on the same field uh destroy the rushing, destroyed them on the, on the ground, destroyed them on the other side on the ground, had a nice passing day from Skyler Howard. Mahomes got his numbers, but only through one touchdown. Like, is West Virginia good? I think the only thing, the only impressive thing you can do against Texas Tech is hold down their, their yards per pass. And they held, I think it was around five yards per pass, something like that. Right. So, okay, yeah,

impressive. Count it. And it was in Lubbock. You know, it was two time zones away, roughly. I don't know where Lubbock is. Let's say two times zones away. I don't know where Lubbock is. Could be east, could be west. Maybe it's over the ice cap and it's in Russia. Who they all knows?

Not me. It moves. It doesn't stay the same place. I would like to have Cliff Kingsbury defend that comment, but it involves defense. Oh. The defense rests. Yes, it does. Damn.

Always. The defense always rests in Lubbock. Clef should pull a fast one and take the Purdue job. Should get out while the getting's good. Yeah, it's sort of like a music man thing where he's like, well, this scam is complete. On to the next town. Call me Motilla.

I guess we're done.