Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 7.28 - Buyout Season Is Coming

Episode Date: October 2, 2017

Buyouts are one of the best parts of college football because they're little roadblocks you get to set up against your own future happiness. Sure, you'd like to find a new, better coach, but you can't. Why? Because of that big old buyout, where you'd have to pay this coach a bunch of money to leave. Well, who put that there? YOU DID! YOU DID THAT TO YOURSELF! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the shutdown forecast. Oh man, this is our review episode for week five of the 2017 college football season. I say that in case somebody's listening to this in a bomb shelter, ears from now going, what did this society, so talented and yet so mad that it incinerated itself and left me to live in the tunnels beneath what was once this verdant earth? What did they value? We just talked about football, y'all. That's it.

Just whistled past our own graveyard, talking. about football. Then you'll listen to this podcast and think, ah, I envy the dead. They don't have to listen to this anymore. Lucky you, we're the only thing that survived nuclear hellfire. You're welcome. Hope we're little

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Yeah Yeah This is week five And week five is the point where I think it comes time For every rational person Following a football team to admit It's time to fire everybody y'all Fire them all

Fire everybody Time to fire everybody It's time to check those buyouts Because the things that you hope for in life They're not happening They're really they're not happening for so many of you so many of you

not Alabama fans rest of college football hello everyone else don't listen to this everyone who's like a Bama fan don't listen to this you don't count you're playing for a spot in the AFC South admit it you just hear that you just said Bama don't count

oh that's Bolton board material right there Bama's gonna show you Bama's gonna show you Bama counts Spencer said Bama can't count He just saw Bama Dome. I don't know how to count. Damn. I mean, how many consultants they got?

You're going to get to that? I guarantee you, I saw that press box. You got 42, you got 42 offensive line coaches. Got three, you got three apostles in there. How'd you get them? Yeah. The Alabama, guess what you got up there? You have the original group Alabama up there.

They are. You just beat a team with two apostles. the head coach just beat Matt Luke you just beat half the gospel family yeah like that's proof that old miss is definitely giving him the job they're gonna look up and see like Mercer head coach Mark John we gotta get him at old miss that's the man for Oxford have you ever called an escort only only the Lord who escorts me through this day goodness he's perfect only to minister to him Listen, UCF coach Genesis Colossians will play you anytime, anywhere.

Man, that's not, that sounds like a defensive lineman. That sounds like an LSU defensive lineman. That's a four-star. The week five's results, the one that I think we're alluding to in particular, of teams that, you know, you've given up, and frankly, maybe you should. Maybe you should. like old miss i'm just going to respect old like the hell out old miss because you know you know how long old miss uh competed with a vastly superior alabama team uh for about three seconds as it they just noked

they nope the hell out like just out like nah ha ha you know like the he frees give no no no i could get hurt doing this i could i could really try or i could just accept you know this i could turn this entire game into the serenity prayer Right. This entire Ole Miss season is somebody at a blackjack table just like betting erratically and you're like, what are you even doing? They're like, yeah, it don't matter. FBI is going to show up in about 10 minutes here. So really, this money is meaningless to me.

Who cares? 17. Double down. Grant me the strength to Sim to end. Then they did it. And I respect that because they were like, hmm, that's cool. You know what? Dung blood over here.

You back up. Why don't you get in there? Get some reps. You want to compete against the best. That's why you came here, right, buddy? You know, these NFL scouts watching? They want to see you. Not me, but they did score more points than Tennessee did.

So in case you were wondering why we were looking out buyouts, there's a difference I think Old Miss made a business decision right like you know a lot of unfortunate things have transpired between my program

and yours Alabama perhaps tonight we could just get a good clean scrimogen and nobody will get hurt except for Deshawn Hand sorry guys and we'll just get through with this what Tennessee did

that's I don't I don't want to say they... No, I'm just going to say it. It was clean, too, just in the enema kind of way. That digestive tract is clear now, Tennessee. Nothing left in it. But like in the kind of way where, you know, the...

So we have two different, two dogs that have two very different styles when it comes to, small critters they find in the backyard one of them she'll bring in a bird or whatever and then she'll just leave the dead bird she's like i'm done with that dead bird and young boy what he'll do when he finds an animal is like oh shit and that that animal's gone it's just gone it's clean and that that was how georgia did it this weekend just whoop all gone where was it no it's not there yeah all gone now yeah i would like can i can i like pull us aside for just a second here Sure. So we got, I forget who it was because I don't pay good attention, but somebody on Twitter was pointing out like, hey, the full cast really talks about the SEC a lot, which I understand, but they don't talk about the Big Ten all that much. And I am not above criticism. I am not unwilling to accept that maybe we shouldn't. And then I look at this week's Big Ten scores. And I'm asking, other than Northwestern, fucking away a decent chance to maybe beat Wisconsin on the road. What are we supposed to talk about? I mean, we can talk about Iowa following up a close down-to-the-wire near win against Penn State with a 10-point effort against Michigan State. We could talk about, and probably should talk about Maryland on quarterback number eight beating Minnesota and improving to 3-1 on the year. board and schlager yeah sure you can you can i mean they won because they had the quarterback with the most

minnesota name and that's the secret to beating minnesota so that's unfair warden schlacher but like i'm not gonna no we're not going to talk about ohio state ruckers because it was an inferior version of last year's ohio state ruckers game because it had two fewer points so i would love i would love i would loves to talk about big ten football but if we think of it as this is the program that thrives on chaos and delighting in the pain of others everybody in the big ten is just like who is drastically underperforming in the big ten right now is there anybody i think you could argue northwestern has disappointed on the year overall but it seems like Like they've sort of, you know, regain their footing.

Right. Like, and, and nobody's drastically overperforming at this point, with the exception of maybe, like, Maryland, we should, we'll give credit to them because, yeah, they beat Texas. And, yeah, they haven't collapsed, uh, despite losing two starting quarterbacks. Um, is anybody from the Big Ten going to get fired this year pending some, like, cause? I mean, like, even Mike Riley doesn't feel like that's a given at this point. point everybody else just sort of like yeah it's happening peru you look better iowa you look like iowa indiana yep there's just i don't know what's what's that interesting to talk about the big 10 here i just want to make sure that i'm not missing some nah i mean the way i see it if you're not

being discussed on this program that's a good thing just lay low you you this our radar is one you want to stay off of that's true yeah you don't you don't on here things have probably gone wrong for you And also on the subject of our alleged Southern bias, go back and check the receipts. Our longest episode ever was on the Big Ten West. So you can miss me with that. It was. It was an 18 play, hour and a half drive.

Mist field goal of an episode. That ended with a missed, most of, I mean, most of our episodes end with a missed field goal if we're going to be. Yeah. As time does not expire. Yeah, exactly. That's kind of how we do things just by brand, right? But, but, long as episode ever was a Big Ten one.

You know when we're supposed to talk about the Big Ten? We're supposed to talk about the Big Ten in November. When you can weather virtue us, right? When you go, oh, look at it, look at it. Look at Wisconsin playing real football. Look at it. It's so cold. It's 67 degrees.

Yeah. Unseasonably warm. That's when you're supposed, that's when we're supposed, That's when we're supposed to pay attention. Here's the calendar and how it goes, okay? One, we all leap on one conference for underperforming early in out-of-conference games in weeks one and two, okay? Whatever conference underperforms and over-performs, that's what we talk about. Then you get into September and October, and we talk about the SEC and the ACC a lot.

You want to know why? Because they're actually playing meaningful conference games and people are getting fired, because that's what we like to do in the SEC, okay? We hire people for too much money. We fire them and we make the same mistakes over and over and over again. Who understands this? Me. I get this.

And I'm just going to let you on a little secret about how this works, okay, and how this conference juices things up. We kill people, all right? Not opponents always, often our own. And then in November, we talk about the Big Ten because it's cold. But we also talk about how we're not talking about the Big 12 and the Pack 12 enough, even though we were the ones who weren't talking about the Big 12 and the Pack 12. because there's nothing better than media about media. I think the time to talk about the Big 12 is like March through July,

realignment rumor season. That's the Big 12's time to shine. The Pact 12, there's got to be a day we can fit them in somewhere when people will want to talk about the Pact 12. I'm just committed to this. I know that talking about the Pact 12, it's forever a losing proposition. It just is.

You don't care as much. You don't. There's just like 18. people who care about as much. And you were all at the Washington State game, and that's fine. That's fine. You know what? It's a niche, and I'm totally and completely happy to help fill that niche.

Are you going to build a business on it? I hope not, because they just don't care as much. Y'all ain't ever killing anyone over a game. It's just not happening, all right? Yeah, you can kind of tell if that's true, because it's super hard to get fired as a Pact 12th coach. Like, it's super hard. It happens, but it feels like it's increasingly rare these days.

How many, I mean, how many years did they give Lane Kiffin? Like, flagrantly fireable, Lane Kiffin, right? Like, maybe the most fireable coach in the history of fireable coaches, right? He still got a good long run at USC. I don't know about all this. I mean, they fired Mark Helfrich, what, two years after a title trip? Yeah, but that was the first time they'd fired a coach in like 40 years. Well, yeah, because it had been nothing but upward descent.

And then as soon as things take it down, turn, it's time to clean house. It's entirely possible that they press the wrong combination of keys and they accidentally fired him. They're like, oh, shit, that's what Alt F8 does? Oh, damn it. I had no idea. I feel like it's been a while since the Pac-12 coaches got hired. I think because of that big wave of new money hires all came in all at once, and boy, those are about to expire.

State of Arizona? Hmm. I mean, Arizona State, you're looking a little better than expected, but, you know, I mean, this might be the year. You know, we see multiple Paxwell jobs open. I don't know. They probably can't fire Rich Rod because his deal involves, like, I don't know, ownership and some copper mine.

That would probably mess something up for, like, an influential, you know, Arizona booster. Be like, well, Rich Rod's on the board of that copper mine. I got to get the Chinese off the board before the end of the year. There's going to be some weird tax implications, and I need his vote, so I can't go firing him. Notice, by the way, every Arizona booster in my head is some sort of insane mining wildcatter, right? Listen, there are seven Pac-12 coaches that have had their job since 2012 or earlier. Do you know what that number is in the SEC?

Oh, from 2012? 12? Yes, from 2012 or earlier? It's three. It's Nick, it's Nick Saban, it's Dan Mullen, and it's Kevin someone, and that's it. And there are a lot of 2013 folks on this list who are not looking great right now. So, I feel like that's a, that's a reasonable explanation of the difference. Well, and Spurrier retired because he was old and Pink got tired because he got sick. but still I mean no one's denying the SEC is higher

I don't want to say stakes and pressure and all that but those are the words those are the words to use even in the ACC that number is only five like it's just a little easier to stick around the pack 12

a little long like Jim Mora based on last year that gets him fired at I would say most comparable SEC ACC schools, right? Most comparable

Big Ten schools. I think the I would say that combined with the person right? Like if someone put together

a five and seven season, he's super gone. Ah, but this leads to what Spencer really wanted to talk about,

which is buyouts. Oh yeah, buyout season. Buyout season's coming, y'all. Hashtag buyout SZN. buyout season is real

buyout season is going to be real real for butch Jones because do you think there's any way he is not completely fired at the end of the season he may flee the state and be unable to be served with papers

to be fired I could see that happening I could see him was it Ernest Hemingway's brother or somebody who like built a raft island and declared it an independent nation i could see that i could see butchylvania floating out there in the atlantic butch swana we will compete the olympics uh i would uh i would go ahead and if we're looking at this by the way we're not

exactly totally sure on what the buyout is but if they fired him on october first Bush Jones would be due $6.82 million dollars. All right. Now, if it's September 30th, that number's around

9.2 mil. So remember, for maximum savings, time your firings appropriately, right? So the mere fact that they made it to this recording of the podcast saved them money? Yes. Tennessee's is a little tricky because, like, it's being widely reported that it's 9 million, but we actually

I mean, we looked at the contract and the numbers are kind of confusing and I think it was Darren Rovell who's arguing that like, well, his agent would argue for pro rating and all this stuff. I don't know. It's somewhere between basically 7 million and basically 9 million.

Yeah. Which you know, I mean, what, that's only like 5 mil after taxes? Please. Nothing. Yeah, it's absolutely nothing. But this is an even this isn't even the craziest number in the conference oh no no no no we're going through we'll get to those let's go through practical numbers okay sure practical numbers there's there's levels

to this okay because because um i will say by the way based on sort of like my like experience with these things um these are reasonable numbers right for somebody who's had you know that much time there and was invested and yeah that's this all makes sense right I think we can say like industry standard more than reasonable. Right. Peyton Manning has like an IRA he forgot about that he can pay off Butch Jones with if they need to. Listen, he might have to remember that to pay off Butch Jones, right? Like that's a real thing, son.

Now, the other number that you might be curious about would be LSU's because I don't know if you watched LSUT. Um, but, uh, LSU, they did not win that game. But, you know, it's, it's a, sure, it's a conference game, right? Um, it's, it's actually not a, it's not a conference game. That's, that's a sunbelt team. Troy's than the sunbelt. That's one of the best conferences, though, right? Um, it is not. It is not.

It is a great conference, um, it is a great conference in its own sphere. It's one of the best, it's one of the best belt-based conferences, for sure. Okay, yeah. It's true. How many, Jason, real quick, how many third downs did you convert on Saturday? I was unable to convert any. You are just as good as LSU football. They went 0 of 9 against the Troy Trojans.

Whoops. Sorry. Good God. But wait, maybe it was just a bad night for a third down. Maybe it was just one of those nights where nobody. Nope, Troy 10 of 18 and converted both of their fourth down tries. Whoops. Well, that's the problem.

Troy, they let Troy have all of them. Oh, that's, you know what? That's very kind and generous, especially in these times. Yeah, I would, I mean, this is, they, they, all you need to know is that against Troy, and how badly this this could go, right? This is how badly it went. They had to put in Miles Brennan at the end of the game for something. Miles Brennan hasn't started before.

Yeah, you can tell, you can tell because if I said to you a week ago, who or what is Miles Brennan, you'd say, I don't know, like a pharmaceutical company, probably. Yeah, did some contracting work on like, large federal buildings, right? Miles Brennan. They're really great at building hospitals that accommodate MRI machines, right? It sounds like an alternate measurement, like nautical miles or something.

Yeah, convert it to Miles Brennan, please. If you want to know, by the way, you're like, oh man, where have I heard of Louisiana Brennan before? Where does he, is that, for some reason I'm hungry and I'm thinking like bananas foster. Yeah, that Brennan family, like the Brennan restaurateur family. That's who LSU had to call that. was a kid who probably knows

how to make a pretty mean Bananas Foster, just his birthright. Hey, listen, you can't make Bananas Foster without setting something on fire. In this case, it was LSU, so it's fine. Good job. So, yeah, in case you're wondering why we were looking up at Orgeron's buyout,

well, it might be because everybody counted on Ed O to just hire good people and, you know, sort of recruit, and I'm going to be like half recruiter, evaluate, or mascot, right? A real CEO type, if you will. And thus far, that ain't happened. That hasn't happened at all.

They're paying Dave Randa and paying Matt Canada a ton of cash. And they just lost to Troy. So there's going to be some questions. And there's going to be people looking out, looking up exactly how much yonder buyout is. Now, Edor Jaron's buyout, eto, if you think about getting rid of him, buyout's 12 mil, which I got to say, for a guy that you hired from interim, that's a little more than I might want to pay. I got to be honest.

Let's review what a buyout is for. This seems elementary, but at this point, I think college football needs it. Most buyouts in the sport are equal on both sides. They apply the same whether the coach leaves to take another job or if the coach gets fired. They're not all that way. There are a number of coaches who have different arrangements. But the idea is that it provides that level of mutual protection, that if you have a coach that you think is likely to jump to, or at least possibly will jump to another school, in the way that Jim McElwain did to Florida, or to the NFL, that you will get some recompense for it. That worked out very nicely for Colorado State, by the way.

And then the flip side, of course, is that it provides some security for the coach, that if they are, terminated earlier than their contract contemplates that they are going to be given a little given a little thank you so you you have once you think of it in that perspective you have to ask the question who the fuck did lSU think was going to poach ed or drawn Louisiana Tech ULM I mean Lafayette the Saints the New Orleans Saints that's who I mean, yeah, yeah, that was, that's one, that's one thought here. Let me, let me, let me, let me sweeten the pot a little bit, if you will. Add a little more seasoning to be on theme, Cajun-wise.

That's not the only person that LSU is paying to coach football right now. Or better put, to not coach football. To watch football. They're both watching it. Let's agree. To work, to work as an analyst for ESP. They're both paid for previous coaching at LSU, we'll put it up. Yeah, right now, the dead salary cap money in terms of coaching, LSU's got 21 mil on the books.

$21 million that they would, in theory, be paying people to not coach football, meaning they would go into their next coaching search, which I don't know from LSU. I'd probably try to hire somebody expensive and good, right? Because I was talking about Tom Herman last time. Texas ended up hiring him. Texas, they might want to. They don't hire people for free. They pay a lot of money. Okay, but, but, follow me down this lawyer pathway.

They fire at Orgeron. They owe him $12 million. They hire less miles. He can't still collect that $9 million. buyout, right? I like where you're going. Or alternatively, they hire Jimbo Fisher and then they have to pay FSU. What is it?

$40 million is Jimbo's buyout at the moment? Meaning that $61 million will have been spent before a penny is awarded to any coach for actual services rendered at Louisiana State. That's the outcome I'm rooting for. I am rooting for LSU to go so deep in the hole here that they go to the rest of the league and they're like, y'all got to bail us out. What are you going to do?

You can't have the SEC West without LSU. We know how this works. We know that you'll forgive this debt one way or the other. Yeah, I am all for this because they're going to have to do that. because man it's bad it's real bad you don't ever want to be the team

where somebody goes I told you the solution I'd seen mentioned multiple places including on Reddit college football was that you simply

make Ed Orcheron interim coach again and get back to the immortal Ed Orgeron world's best interim coach yeah I think

to do that you probably have to fire somebody from the coaching staff because he can't the problem right now is he just has too many he has one too many assistant so he's got to lose one guy who would have been himself so I think he's got to be demoted to defensive line coach

or whatever and then promoted again so wherever he's demoted to that guy's got to go and then you're good that's brilliant yeah I like this plan so yeah that's we did mention Jimbo Fisher not that he's in any danger especially now that Oh, now that he beat Wake Forest, don't look at how it happened or why. Just assume that it was a comfortable win. Yep.

Dominated Wake Forest, or dominated. Knowles. Unconquered. The spear was feared. As they won. Let's put it, they won. Say the same thing about Florida. To be fair. To be both fair and balanced, we won. We beat Vanderbilt.

belt. It was a very impressive win in that it was definitely a win. Definitely. Listen, the Seminole Nation has said that they're okay with needing a last second touchdown to beat Wake Forest. They signed up for this. It's not disrespectful. Okay? They're on board. Hey, you know, I was just going to talk about that new quarterback here is Blackman. He's, the Seminole said he was okay. They've approved every single interaction. We are not racist. Okay, okay. That's cool. It's cool, man. Didn't have to bring that up.

These people. But yeah, Jimbo Fisher, just in case you doubted what FSU was, they fell in love. They got a face tat of Jimbo. And you know what happens when you get a face tat of your significant other? You can never leave. And that's why you get a buyout that's $40 million. $40 million.

worth it honestly at this point i think jimbo fisher is the failure for not if you told me i had 40 million dollars guaranteed i'd stop showing up i'd be like go ahead oh no no i'll do enough that you can't fire me with cause but game plan no there's no game plan just showing up told him to have fun throw it around out there see what happens wasn't 40 wasn't that the rick patino buyout that he's probably not going to get it it was something in that range listen he said he will be vindicated

okay which is definitely not something every mob boss has ever said huh oh okay I I also wanted to go just in case and you know in situations where again I would probably make you pay a buyout

rather than working Nick Sabin if Alabama fires Nick Saban without cause It would owe him This is per USA today They would owe him a buyout Of as much as four years worth of his base salary And the talent fee

That is per their words Consideration for the TV radio and endorsement rights That's a total of $26.9 million. That's all? That's it Four years of his salary would be Base It's base salary

Oh, okay, okay, okay, gotcha. Now, on the flip side, if Missouri fires Barry Odom, he actually owes them $300 in American Airlines credits. He owes them for, like, the printing fee. Hey, you got to, hey, if we fire, you still got to pay your half of the cable bill. We're probably, you still got to finish out your shift. I was like, what do you see your clock in on Friday?

What do you mean if? We need someone to close. cancel cinemax? No. You still owe us, Barry. Idiot. Hey, Barry, hate to do this on your last day, but can you stay late

today? Well, Barry's from Missouri, so he doesn't know you can find porn online, right? He's like, well, just go to the shop. Barry, you know, you know, if you don't return the polo shirt, we get to take $28 out of your last paycheck, right? But I don't have any

I don't have any other clothes in my car. Well, well, you leave how you want barry the company gave him so much i mean if you don't give us back the polo what's our next coach going to wear he's shaped exactly like you his name's also barry that would be man that would be amazing if they hired barry alvarez this way we don't have to change uh any of the name plates so i mean saving savings savings or savings barry at missouri dot edu look is a game of inches and managing a football program is about cents on the dollar that's right new head coach barry sanders he doesn't know it but he's he's he's signed up going to do it remotely

get a telecommute with his weird accent hello everybody from steel water burry uh yeah this is uh this is this is by the way like we're we're mentioning all this because it it there are a few teams that actually did have fantastic weeks despite everyone else having really bad ones. For instance Wazoo, man, I'm so happy I stayed up to watch that.

Now, Ryan, Ryan being sleepy and old. Went to bed after the first quarter. Do you know what? There's a reason besides sleepy and old, which I am. I decided that if I okay, let me back up. Having a child has taught me that if you want

something too much it won't happen like every time i want my daughter to do a thing to clap her hands or to like do something cute that i've seen her do it before if i want it too badly she just won't do it it's only when i'm like not paying intention and don't have my phone handy that she'll do the cute thing and the cute thing was going to be washington state beating u sc at home if i stayed up late. That means I want it too bad and it won't happen. And so I went to bed after the first quarter when it was 7-3 USC. And what do you know? I woke up in Wazoo. So cute. I'm going to Instagram that. It's adorable. I think it sounds like Ryan took one for the team. You're welcome. Ryan sacrificed his own delight so that everyone else could enjoy

Mike Leach saying he felt like he was back at Woodstock or whatever. I did get to see the USC fans with the Sam Darnold Jets jersey, and I feel like it's their fault. Because I feel like that would be the kind of thing that could shake your confidence very badly. Because imagine you're Sam Darnold. You look over to the sideline. You say, oh, cool, USC fans. Oh, that's awesome. They made a custom jersey for an NFL team with my name on it.

They think I'm NFL caliber. That's great. Huh. It's a Jets jersey. Well, the Jets are a bad team, and they likely will have a very high draft pick, maybe the first overall draft pick. Who's to say? So I guess that means they think I'm the best player who could be in the draft next year. On the other hand, if I play for the Jets, my life will be terrible and I'll never succeed at anything, and I'll just wish that I had, I don't know, played jazz trombone instead. So maybe that's what they want for me. Maybe this is a warning of they're the ghost of Christmas yet to come, warning me to quit football altogether, lest I end up covered in jets.

What does this mean? What should I do? I'll lose to Washington State just to be safe. Yeah, yeah. And these guys with this darn old Jets jersey, they were at the Cow game, too. I don't know what, they're trying to destroy his psyche. Let's assume these are just. They're just stalking the end.

young man. Let's assume these are actually the New York Jets agents. These are the only people they can afford at this point. That's their general manager. Hey, just go with the jersey. Should we like try to, nah, just go. I read about him, uh, in Sports Illustrated like six months ago. He seems good. We should take him. Like, you, you, you know, we can just write his name on a card, right? No, no, no, no. Let's get him before then. Maybe they're just trying to see if, if that's the right size and he won't, hey, are you a large? Are you, hey! Over here, Sam.

Can you try this on, please? Real quick. If you have him, if you have him as your best college football player, right? Like if that's your thing, then you haven't, you haven't actually watched him. Or you haven't actually, you haven't actually. you haven't actually watched you haven't actually watched any other football player

or you haven't watched the 2017 season like if you just watched the last half of last year sure but you're going to need to expand your data set a little bit well well well hold on let's review all of the great USC

quarterbacks that have made it to the NFL okay you got you got Carson Palmer first of overall pick 2003 he's listen has he won a super bowl no has he had a pretty successful career with two franchises that are not exactly the most successful yeah one might or you know one might one might even call them kiss of death type franchises yeah uh you got matt castle

he played with tom brady that's pretty cool got a big contract got a big contract once man you got matt liner he's good on tv you got um mark sanchise fifth overall pick went to two aFC championship games doesn't matter what happened beyond that or how he got there yes you could also buy a ticket to two aFC championship games but mark sanchez didn't so he's slightly better than you um matt berkeley still alive cody kessler still alive Max Brown. He's with the best football team in America. Pitt. John David Booty.

Pitt pays at least as much as FS1, I'm pretty sure. Pitt pays at least as much as playing for the Bengals. That's like I'm 100% certain of that. Also, and this is not related to anything, E.J. Manuel played in an NFL game. Today, October 1st, 2017.

All things are possible. Even the bad ones. Mostly the bad ones. Damn, what are that? Now, I want to go ahead and also go over. Here's our current leaders in interceptions. Okay. Anyone who has managed to watch, I think,

even a cursory stream of two weekends worth of college football would be able to tell me who the leader in interceptions is. Particularly ones that go for pick sixes. particularly ones who might have thrown two in a row at one point in this very young season. Are we talking about Nebraska Heisman candidate Tanner Lee?

That is correct. Tanner Lee, currently the clubhouse leader in Interception's thrown. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, man. But I'll tell you this, Tanner Lee, he's thrown nine picks. You don't know how many TDCs he's thrown? He's thrown 10, y'all. He is one under.

Hang on. Hang on. That's 12. 13, right? Counting the ones to the other team. Oh, yeah. Damn. Scoring machine. From anywhere on the field. Listen. You with your, you with your advanced stats. When you're evaluating a quarterback, you say, can he make all the throws? Pick sixes are some of the throws, are they not? That's amazing. He can hit anybody. I really hadn't thought of it like that, but damn. that's that's man that is dropping the eggs on the floor and serving it a good looking omlin anyway well done jason i learned that from ghostbusters i would uh then that's nine okay but there are three quarterbacks

with eight three shame morris of central michigan ross bowers of cow again he's still over he's thrown nine tis and interceptions and sam darnald sam darnell sam darnell by the way sitting there with nine and eight so he's still one under as well so so that's that's that's where sam darnell's at it's not bad okay i don't want to overweight interceptions it's just it's when you look at some of the work people are doing other places it really doesn't compare luke falk how many picks on the year oh man this will this will surprise and delight you that uh luke Luke Falk Two, yeah, he's not even in that

realm, that category. Oh, but he's a system QB. I've seen Luke Falk get hit by a train midgame. I do not mean a car. I do not mean a football player who is as big and powerful as a train. No, I mean a literal Pacific Northwest freighter with three engines that went right through the field, cleaned him off, and he was left for dead. And then he came back and threw like for like 800 yards

two picks in 220 passing attempts that's third in the nation right now Josh Rosen yep your number one buddy 245 they're going to ride that till your arm falls off sorry Sam Darnold

has about 70 throws fewer than er sorry about 50 throws fewer than Luke Falk six more picks yeah yeah and he plays for um downtrodden washington state no no does he play for does he play for cow like like you know like no he doesn't do no he's he's playing for USC that he's playing for um he's got the Ferrari and he's currently put it into the wall twice right in a race or eight times if you just

want to go ahead and extend the actual number of interceptions he's thrown. So, yeah, I don't know what's up. I just think he just, like, like, offenses or units are hard. You got like 11 people and they all got to figure out what to do and the chemistry gets complex. I know what didn't help have him three of his linemen out because USC's a medevac unit right now along the offensive line. That, nobody, with that. So don't be too hard on him because guess what?

He has no one to block for him. No one. absolutely none Let's Can we go back to the Georgia game Dude I will talk about Tennessee losing all damn day Tennessee lost

This game It felt like nine different times Which you're like how can that be possible The final score was 4010 Yes they lost at the end They also in the first half Had at least two dropped interceptions

that were not the kind of things where it was like, oh, well, it was on third down and they had to punt. Nope. Kept Georgia drives alive that ended up in points. On when they finally did pick off, Jake Fromm, I think within two plays, they butt fumbled the ball away back to Georgia. Snapped it, snapped it right into his gooch,

like right into the taint. Yeah, this still makes it looks like he is incubating this football, like it's going to turn into Yosha. if he's patient enough. But Jason... It looks like he's pooping at all that. Jason, we found... What is the best statistic from the Georgia Tennessee game?

Oh, my God. It's one of the greatest stats I've ever seen. So during the game, John Kelly breaks off a long 44-yarder and fumbles the ball at the end of it. And you look up and you say, that was their longest gain so far by 34 yards. It was their first double-digit gain of the day. check back at the end of the game and that remained the same their only gain of longer than 10 yards ended in a fumble this is george's passing line from the game 7 of 17 for 84 yards one touchdown one pick they were very they ran the damn ball listen they did run the damn ball but if you told me that was a passing line from an c cc team that won 41 to zero i'd be fucking floored and yet it was better than what tennessee did

How did Tennessee only throw the ball 23 times in a game that they lost by six scores? What is happening here? They were taking their time, just lining up, admiring the sunset, looking at the coverage, identifying the coverage, then thinking about the coverage, what it meant to them emotionally, how it reflected what was going on in their own life, metaphorically attaching it to other lessons that they have learned. This is Butch Jones football, there's a system,

but it's important that you learn the life lessons that come from that system. For example, if you decide to promote a guy to offensive coordinator who's never really called plays above the high school level, then you have to realize that it's a parable about opportunity, okay? And what happens when you give someone that chance? Even if, I don't know, someone might say that they're not up to the task and don't really have experience for the job, the faith alone should carry you through that, right? Even through hard times, like, I don't know, suffering a shutout,

the first since 1994, which by the way, I was there for that game and it was an ass whipping and this was worse. Fortunately, I wasn't there to get spit on because that was what happened to me in 1994. It was a woman and it was mostly chewing tobacco juice.

There was some other organic matter in there that I didn't really want to consider the provenance of origin of. Tennessee, you gave up 294 rushing yards. On 55 Georgia rushing attempts, I will say that this was generous of you.

And I will use this as a segue to talk about something much happier than the Tennessee-Georgia game. Even if you're a Georgia fan, party you has to be like, my God, what did we do? But our charity drive has concluded, neither Jason nor Spencer have any idea

how much money we've raised. I just tallied it all up tonight. Do either of you have an inkling? of what our final total is i have a guess i have a guess i'm gonna guess 21 you're under it's just over 22,000 dollars goodness yeah like holy shit y'all stepped up big time thank you all very very very much for these donations you have given us an insane amount of work that we have to do shouting you out doing your ad reads over the course of the season. We have to thank people like Kelly Burroughs, Jake Hudspeth, Craig Smith, Stephen Anderson,

Jose Alvarez, fine people who gave freely to help hurricane victims. So, so awesome of all of you. People like Matt Morris, who paid for me to say this, I, Ryan Nanny, will never give up my quest to be the Bloomin' Onion at the Outback Bowl. go blue um yeah i will never give up that quest

outback not returning the calls anymore not responding to the tweets not returning the emails they think this will stop me they think this will stop me it will only emboldened me because how much do you think it would cost for me to i don't know

uh rent a prop plane and a parachute and just come into the Outback Bowl of my damn self, wearing an even superior Blumen Onion costume

of mine own creation. In Florida? That's like $70. Yeah, that's right. You know what I have? $72. So I'm good. Outback, this is happening

whether you like it or not. You can either be on board or you can be invaded. Damn. Damn, the Gator Air Force here. it comes they got the cage of navy we get the gator air force man listen we're we're running attack now you know that yeah good at it too by the way oh the 38 points 38 points florida hit the over by itself yeah yeah laugh go ahead lap it up actually you're the you're the you're the you're the

florida defender on this podcast ain't nothing funny ain't nothing funny i don't need to be a florida defender because our defense is great i'm all about florida offense that's so that's great that's a record setting offense as you well know jason yeah well hey so soon as florida scores against ls u what happens ragnarck yeah new record for the longest scoring streak in fbs history most consistent offense in the country back to the 1980s florida greatest offense offensive school best at scoring points it doesn't matter how many okay it's a binary one or zero this is a computer offense we run okay

it's next level it's space age one one one one one zero no one one one one one one one the best part about that very meaningless streak is that during the florida vanderbilt game they brought it up as the aflac trivia question And they said who they would beat Michigan for the longest streak.

Michigan lost that streak. And they said, who did that happen against? And one of the announcers jokingly said Northwestern, which was cruel. But it did all allow us to remember the time that Notre Dame shut out Michigan. That's a thing that happened. Yeah. I would like to, is this for our? read a reader

yeah I would like to do this this is from Josh Thompson all right who generously donated to Hurricane Relief for our fundraiser Josh Thompson paid for the right to hear me say Josh

is tired of losing to fucking Clemson he should be except as not going to stop for whom does josh root uh josh should be a virginia tech fan tech uh in the big game the saturday night game right the big the big high profile one that you're not supposed to uh you're not supposed to lose badly they lost they lost badly 31 17 but it wasn't even really that close that 17

was more kind of there were some little struggle points at the end a couple of cookies that they got at the end of the game. Yeah, that's, it wasn't, it wasn't good. So Josh, I'm with you, man. I'm tired of losing to Clemson to, FSU, whatever. That ACC team that just bedevils everything I try to accomplish. I agree with you, man. I'm also going to read this one from Clay Carroll,

who wants us to argue his long-held position that NC State should be the football power, the sleeping giant football power in North Carolina. UNC is already a basketball school. That's why they have the jump man on their practice helmet. NC State has beaten FSU as many times as Clemson has since FSU joined the ACC, which is a terrifying fact. But I believe that Clay is telling the truth. If not, well, you'll let us know because this podcast is frequently wrong.

And I was going to say that Wake Forest Morris had a case, but they couldn't close. I mean, one team's beaten Florida State this year. One team hasn't. So yeah, NC State, you get to be the greatest college football program in North Carolina. I don't know what that does for you, personally. I don't know how much you get to pat yourself on the back for it. But you know what?

I say it's true. NC State is the football school in North Carolina. It's mostly because it's definitely not ECU. Well, are we talking this season or like... In the last, like, 10, 20 years. Okay. Because, I mean, NC State fans, I think they're the maddest. ECU fans give them a run for it, but there's probably more NC State fans, just overall.

I mean, if we're just talking football, I think NC state fans are, it's like a really underrated message board culture there. So, yeah, if that can ever translate into football success, then I'm on board with the sleeping giant argument that seems to apply for every program in the state. If somebody just got, if you find a way to convert anger to wins, then yes, I'm all on board. we got anyone else of note this week by the way before we sweep things up like for instance

wasn't that cool as Ryan put it the two weeks that we thought that Mississippi State was really good that was those were Halcy and days filled with

wine and honey can't say I recall oh also I have I have one to read as well from Kim Swati K Swati K on Twitter

I'm going to say Swati just because that seems like the easiest way for y'all to find i am the podcast most devoted maybe only female middle-aged game cock listener who agrees with everything you say except i don't think pop-ice chicken is all that good um well we appreciate you being a devoted maybe only female middle-aged game-cock listener however we have a a blossoming hive of middle-aged female game cog listeners. I'm sure I'm sure they'll be you'll hear them

you'll hear them any minute now chiming in that they are their legion. And they love Popeyes. Yeah. You're the only one who doesn't like Popeye's I don't know. I don't know why. So like Popeyes yeah I mean we we've made it sort of part of our brand on this

show. I didn't know I thought everyone liked it but and then you know after we talked about it come to realize like a lot of people have never even tried it. So here's what I'll say I'm not going to go and be like Pop-by's is the best fried chicken Nope won't say it

Had better Pop-by's is the most interesting Fried Chicken experience Okay That's what it is It's like little miniature dinner theater And that's the true value of it It's every time

It's a choose your own adventure And then the page numbers are wiped off So who knows where we're going next Oh You thought you were getting You thought you were getting a biscuit Nope, it's a space ant and it's just bit you in half. It's more like in Soviet Russia, adventure choose you.

Exactly. But always with the edge of charity, right? Like, I always know this. I'm always going to get more than I expected in so many ways when I go to Popeyes, right? Like, it's just going to happen. Like, I'm going to get more than I expected both in terms of what I ordered because the number is inaccurate, but usually in the positive. And also, spiritually, I'm going to learn. something.

Popeyes knows what you needed. If there's a quart of motor oil in the bag, it's because you need to change it. It's not, and you can't sue. You need to read the fine print. You cannot sue Poppice. You're a little low. I swear, I have never gotten a Popeye's order where it is wrong, like Spencer said, wrong, but I'm missing stuff. It's more like, there are fries in here.

I didn't order fries. Am I going to eat them? I sure am. Yeah. And like, no, it's not the world's greatest. fried chicken that i mean you'd have to pay a lot of money for the world's greatest fried chicken but among fast foods it's very very very competitive there's a crescent wrench in this drink why is that i mean it looks good looks sturdy i need one got one now i think it's it's like a lot of places

like um you know waffle house or uh or uh bob evans or a culvers or you know or even like a chick filet where it's like as much the culture as it is what you're actually eating yeah because situational chicken i want to let you know a little secret here for situational chicken where you just you just need some fried chicken and it's got to happen fast and i don't have time for an adventure but i need something that's exactly like rock steady performance chicken y'all i'm going to publics like that's that's that's situational chicken but you recognize that that's not that's not available to all of us say some of us who live in new york city who pay way too much in rent and our grocery stores are a goddamn abomination unless you go to whole foods which i don't

have the money for because of the goddamn rent you know what no one made you do that right yeah man no it's fine you're no no no you're not you're you're not going to kfc don't do it right don't do it no no i won't i won't i mean It's not that sad. No, not yet. That would be, that'd be silly. Yeah. I will state, by the way, before we shuffle week five off into the books, all right, one game that did live up to the billing that I just don't think got enough play was wildly entertaining.

That'd be Oklahoma State, Texas Tech. 4134. About the right score you expected not exactly how you might have expected it to end because guess who scored the winning touchdown? That'd be Mason Rudolph. You mean, oh, Mason Rudolph threw it. Nope. Nope. Nope.

This game was pretty much everybody flipped identities, past Happy Oklahoma State, ran the daylights out of the ball with Justin Rudolph. Mason Rudolph is a running quarterback now. He's a cramble. Good old wheels Rudolph?

Good old, good old stankly leg Rudolph. We call him racing Rudolph. That's racing, Mason Rudolph. Flying to the corner. Did you say Raisin? No! that's racing mason rudolph the NASCAR machine of big 12 quarterback

just down to the corner that was maybe the funniest thing because it was actually kind of a brilliant play at the end of the game because i i think nobody really believed he had it right like oh surely he's throwing it by now oh dang it also that game had two doinked field goals oh yeah I don't know if I've ever seen that good solid like not glancing blows

but like the kind that makes the the kind that makes the hemispheric might kind of shake a little bit right positive what else is there anything else we need to cover from this week I mean it just just looking at this only one other note that I would make

when looking at this week that a couple of things one floor state's offensive line I know they won man floor state's offensive line's bad right now they are in a very very bad way there's a clip maybe we'll include it with the post

probably not we'll forget a blackman dropping back to pass and he is sacked by a defensive tackle who comes unblocked from a three point stance. I mean, he just brings up like wee! Like, hey, speak

friends. Like, he has no time to even drop back. That's how badly Florida State's line is playing right now. So, in other words, Florida State must be pretty good because they still beat a very game Wake Forest team, despite having no

functional pass blocking offensive line whatsoever. So I would mention that. Oh, also you know, if you're keeping tabs on something. Michigan State's three and one. You say we don't talk about the Big Ten enough.

Look at us leveling up on Mark Dantoneo. Three and one, one and O in the Big Ten. And who's O and two of the Big Ten? Iowa. Ugh. Um, so rankings are dumb, right? Tend to be. Okay, but they are useful.

And this is why. if you look at the the AP poll for this week you will note that two teams dropped from the rankings entirely Mississippi State which was 24 got very very badly beaten by Auburn

also Josh we're not friends anymore we're not and LSU which was 25 and then you go to the others receiving boats I think an oft ignored part of the poll, because it doesn't technically mean anything.

Oregon is first on this, but nobody's going to say, oh, that's number 26 Oregon. Not how it works, even though in theory that makes sense. LSU is not on this list either. Troy is. Troy has one vote, and therefore, Troy, America recognizes that, yes, you are the better team than LSU. The Associated Press, America's Journalism. has looked and said this was not a fluke this is the world as it exists today and i appreciate them for that also texas n a and m is somehow getting votes so whatever well olmec sabin's coming

to stop to that so no worries there that that fake news will sort itself right out