Shutdown Fullcast - Shutdown Fullcast 7.47: The Loomin Onion Challenge

Episode Date: January 4, 2018

2018 started with a lot. Notre Dame beat LSU on one of the best plays ever. Auburn helped UCF plan a national championship parade. THE ROSE BOWL FOUND MULTIPLE NEW DIMENSIONS OF EXISTENCE. Oh right, Ryan was the Bloomin' Onion at the Outback Bowl and used his dark, deep fried sorcery to ruin the Big Ten's bowl record and cast doubt on Jim Harbaugh's tenure. This is the year we achieve every one of our dreams, people! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

And welcome to the shutdown full cast. We're going to talk about everything you watch this weekend, a miraculous amount of football, all done not expertly, not even necessarily consistently, or at the level you might expect of a team that, I don't know, beat Alabama. Hey, Auburn. How that peach ball go for you. Didn't go well. Joining me, as always, Ryan, say hi, Ryan. hi yeah no no i don't want to hear i don't want to hear this pity party out of you you you sir you you achieved a dream you lived it yeah but you took it you took it with both hands

and you and you dipped it in the sauce of life at none absolutely you had to go to tampa okay that's a cost so there's there's like two things here working on my psyche one One is the very real possibility that this is going to be the only important or fun or cool thing I do in 2018. It's a long year. I'm, like, moving directly onto the live show at the Popeye's buffet. That's the next maniacal thing I will put all of my effort into, to the exclusion of my own health and the well-being of my family and friends. That's one. Two, if I'm being honest, is, like, I kind of figured I wouldn't have.

have to do this podcast anymore like the TV offer or whatever like yeah yeah but I'm still here yeah yeah life always drags you right back down doesn't it yeah no you still got still got to show up man this is the worst mafia it is it is it doesn't you don't even get to kill anyone as far as I know no no there's no we're not making any money we don't we don't you know slap each other in aggressive ways at dinner parties we dress terribly hey hey buddy on new year's day you got no rules today you got just right that's true that's true no it was it was it was very awesome i'm not going to lie it was it was super great to um to be the onion especially because man south carolina played a lot better once i got out there and i'm not saying it was because of me

because I wasn't the onion for the fourth quarter and that's when they sort of shut the door. But I was real worried because I didn't get out there right as the third quarter started. So when I did exit the tunnel, it was right after, I think, Michigan scored to go up 19 to 3. And I was like, oh boy, this is going to be, this could get bitter. These are going to be some people who are not interested in my silly ass. jumping around in an onion costume, but then I got to run all over the end zone with cocky. It was great. It was wonderful.

It was one of the best things I've ever done, and I am super glad I got to do it. And I got to give the big burly guy a frying nanny sticker. Yeah. Yeah, we did see on TV that happened. I know. Yeah, you took over that third quarter, not only via gifts and memes, but also via your impact on the field and the leadership

you showed the Gamecocks as they battled back. You really did. Listen, me at the start of 2017, me being the Blooming Onion mascot, seemed impossible, seemed unlikely, should have just packed it up and gone home. South Carolina winning that game

definitely seemed impossible. Inspiration was drawn, and I look forward to being the 10th assistant coach in Columbia this fall. You know, without you, Um, the Big Ten would have gone eight and O in bowl game, but because you showed up to Rick Michigan's chances. Well, first of all, they're going to blame Jim Harbaugh for this, not you. Right.

But Jim Harbaugh didn't do anything wrong. It was all you. Right. Um, but because of that loss, that's why the Big Ten is not in the playoff. Yeah. If Michigan had won what they would, they would have pulled Alabama off the, off like, practice at the Sugar Bowl. said hey hey hey no no nope sorry about that we've made a change oh house state is here they're ready they're warmed up they're taking the field it's top to bottom the deepest conference they won the outback bowl that's like an episode of black mirror or something there's there's there's there's all these ball games going on meaningless simulations and and eventually they all build up to something real but no not in our not in our timeline they just no no no they just happen

no and you know the other thing too with uh with all of this magnificence going on is i have questions about your experience with the suit first of all yeah by by weight it's much you say it's much heavier than you could possibly imagine right it's it's it's that i don't know what the perfect way to oh well no i do know the perfect way to describe it so today i flew back from Tampa to new york and i was flying by myself my wife had already come home so i my one year old who weighs probably like 25 pounds now, I was carrying her around for like seven hours

or some shit in a carrier on me. And that's the kind of weight that at first you're like, this is fine. And after a certain amount of time, you're like, this is not fine. The Blumen Onion suit is that it's the same relationship where you put it on and you're not like, oh, God, I can't move.

You're thinking, this is okay. And then you run a little bit and you're like, oh, this is going to be, yeah, okay. This is going to be uncomfortable. But ultimately it wasn't a burden. So the suit is roughly one daughter heavy. Yeah. That's the unit of measure.

Yeah. That's not too bad. I mean, that's, all right, this is bad. It's the kind of bad that's like, it's not going to be, it's going to be a little uncomfortable. It's like, I don't know if you've ever. It's, it's not as bad as eating a blooming onion and then trying to run. I would agree with, I would agree with that.

I think if you, I think given the opportunity, if I had to race. um we'll say spencer because spencer's definitely in better shape than i am um spencer hates running however and if and if they said here you have to run uh a half mile in the suit versus spencer just just finishing eating a bloom an onion as fast as he could i think i could beat him that's true i might just if it were running uh yeah i might just hang it up i'm just seeing this See, I think this replaces the Popeye's buffet as our event of 2018. Let's circle back to the bloomin onion. Let's hang on this note for just a few more months.

Let's wait until, like, July when it's nice and hot. Okay. Good. This is already making the L. Thank you. What else you want to know? Now it's like the looming onion now. The looming.

Also, let's see. Can you hear what people in the stands are saying? A little, a little bit, just like nearby people. My sister was with me. She was on the field, sort of helping me, like, figure out where to go and, you know, saying, hey, this person wants to take a picture or whatever. But not, like, extensively, no. Okay.

Because that's, because I just keep wondering if you can hear somebody in the moment, you know, screaming at you like, you suck. Nah, not a ton. Hey, onion jerk. Did you have, um, I know, I know, uh, you and I guess others around our company and sort of talked to Adam I mean beforehand. Did you know how big a part of the broadcast you were going to be? Not specific. Like the graphic that they put up, some of that he had reached out to me and said, hey, can you like throw us some copy that we can use in this?

So some of that I wrote and some of that they wrote. And I was like, well, maybe they'll use this. Maybe they won't. And what he had told me originally was to root for a blowout because then they'd have time to just sort of talk about this nonsense and ignore the game, which is kind of what happened once Michigan went up 16 points. Again, this is a reminder that Michigan blew a 16 point lead to a well-munch champ team, which we should all savor for its own thing. But I honestly didn't know if it was going to be a little something, if they wouldn't have time. at all. I wasn't, I wasn't assuming that that was going to be the case. Because it was a lot. Yeah, no, no, no. Like, it was, honestly, it was an unreasonable amount of right now. It, it really went on and like, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't like a, yep, there he is, put up the graphic, tell some jokes. By the way, that man's a father, which was an

incredible detail to mention on here. Yeah. Yeah. It, uh, it was enough to where we could like, you know, we posted the GIF, we updated our post, but put the video in it. Oh, well, there's another GIF. There's another GIF. It was very satisfying. Listen, South Carolina did their part. If they hadn't scored multiple touchdowns in the third quarter, some of those GIFs wouldn't have happened.

Now, when you are chasing after Kaki, emulating the flapping wings does. perfectly perfectly i should that's how bird flaps to be quite honest i think you looked more more flight ready than uh than i did yeah by far if i had if the two of you were poised in a situation where one of you had to survive a short flight say five stories to the ground right you're definitely the leader based on the padding of the onion costume you're kind of you're wearing it like a parachute well it's like an inverse parachute um and aerodynamically you say you know it's impossible for a bloominion to fly, but somehow it does, not so you know God is real. And also chickens don't fly, so.

Right. Good point. Good point. I guess you're actually, you're kind of, you're kind of shaped like the thing that falls out the space shuttle and lands in the ocean. That's kind of the shape. Uh-huh. Yep.

It's me. This is me with the members of Apollo 11, returning to Earth victorious, having been sufficiently fried in the Earth's atmosphere upon re-entry. delicious just a crispy golden brown we also saw people in the stands taking photos with you yeah now were those people like hey Ryan or were they like hey onion

there were a couple so there were a couple of people who had either emailed me or whatever and said like I'm going to be at the game try to come by this section whatever so yeah there were a couple people who knew that it was me most of the people though were just just like, I just want to take a picture with the onion. I don't think they cared that it was me specifically. It didn't help that the, that Matt, the guy who does it, who works for Outback, he did it the

rest of the game. He did it last year. He, like, doesn't look vastly dissimilar to me. Like, you know, it's the kind of thing where if you, if we were both accused of a crime that happened in a dimly lit area. And you were wearing the costume And you were wearing a Blumen Onion costume Yeah, I can see how I get my cousin Vinnieed

But no, most people just wanted It to be about the onion and not me Which is like all that it's really It's about the team Yeah, you were disappearing into the character That's right, yeah Yeah, no I thought you really I thought, you know, at no point did I think

This is Ryan Annie playing an enormous fried onion And I thought, you know, that's the onion, man. You became the outfit. And I thought that was really, that's the most impressive part to me. Thank you. It's the natural glisten helps with it. It wasn't like, you know, Aunt Viv 1 versus Ant Viv 2. It was all just one, all just one onion.

Right, right. Thank you. That means a lot. As a result, I have no idea what actually happened in either the citrus or peach bowls. I know who won. I could not tell you any play that happened in them any controversy that happened in them

any injury that happened like nothing I catch up on the citrus yeah I'll catch you up on the peach okay so spraying missed field goals I think every drive got to the one yard line and there was a missed field goal both teams and then at the end

Notre Dame had a just go look up the play this is really all you need the one play Notre Dame's last touchdown and you're good because it was it was amazing it might have been the best play of the year and that was that you're all cut up okay good Spencer what do you got for the beach yeah um if I just told you Auburn um Auburn lost to UCF because UCF's real good and Auburn is inconsistent is that is that enough for you which here's all I want to know pick another Auburn game from this season to the best that you think it fits

Like, what's the best sort of match here? LSU. It's that LSU game. Yeah. Yeah, man. That's what it was like, except, you know, Auburn never really, Auburn never really managed to pull away from UCF because UCF is a better football team. That's how that works.

It's not like, oh, man, Auburn made some mistakes, and this could have gone. No, no, no, no. You finished that game and you thought, mm, UCF is the much better football team here, and I feel totally cool saying that. I think the game it reminded me most of what in one sense was the Clemson game because Jared Stidham was running for his life the entire time. That's familiar. Yeah, you know what else is really interesting when you go back and look at the tape of this?

It could have been worse. It could have been way worse because UCF, they missed on at least three deep balls that I can think of. Two or three that were there. Like they called the right play. They blocked it beautifully, and McKenzie Milton just missed. This makes me feel better about the national championship parade that UCF is planning, which I don't, listen, I don't know how you two feel about it. At first, I was like, this is some silly nonsense.

You didn't win the national championship. You didn't play for the national championship. Stop it. I'm kind of coming around on it because what's the highest UCF is going to end the season ranked? like fifth, fourth, maybe? I think they better, they better be top five. Okay, okay. So, but, and, and, like, they literally did everything that was asked of them.

They beat, they beat everybody on their schedule. They beat a good Auburn team that has beaten both teams playing for the national championship. Is it the most amazing strength of schedule in college football? No, no, it's not. Is there anything they could have, like, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I have a weird sort of appreciation for it because it wasn't up to them. It's not like they said, no, we would rather not play Oklahoma. We're going to play USF again.

Thank you for the opportunity, but we're going to go ahead and we're going to stay down. We don't want to take the AP class. We're going to stay down here. So I say, fuck it. Like the powers that be, we're not going to give you a chance to be a national champion. So you just say you are. It's fine. It's a good throwback.

It's beautiful. National champion UCF. Here it is. I mean, I love it for, I think I love it for, like, three reasons. One is, like, if they're not the national champ, who beat them? You know, like, name the team that beat UCF. I'll give you time to ponder that. The second is, this is the most college football thing there is, is just saying something that's not true,

just declaring yourself the national champ. Like, that is all the sport had for, like, 130 years, you know, like, just, I feel like I'm the national champ. What are you going to do about it? Probably nothing. And, you know, also, it's a very 2018 move. You know, whatever you want to believe is real. That's what's real.

That's true. The even more college football thing to do would just be to find, like, one paper. One newspaper to say you're the national champion. That's it. Mike be Yankee will crown them. Orlando Sentinel. Come on down. I mean, Dan Lepetard's crowned him.

Just call it the Lepotard system. There you go. Yep. Yeah. Bama has more fraudulent titles than that. This is why... And I'm not joking.

No, no, no. And this is why if Alabama wins, right? You mean more fraudulent, both in the sense that there is more fraud involved and there are more of them, total. Both, yes. Bamma has multiple more dubious titles than UCF's 2017 title.

And if Alabama manages to win the national title. And boy, won't everybody be thrilled with that? That'd be a satisfying end to a relatively exciting college football season. If that is the case, then who can claim a transit of win over Alabama? Yo, that's right, UCF, crown them. I don't care. Y'all feel good about yourself. You should.

I was going to say Syracuse. Syracuse? Oh, that'd be great. Take that too. Whatever. Dino, I'm not going to say no to Dino Bavors on anything. at all right and you know what dino babers doesn't need to defend the thing he says because because he can't because because neither does his team yeah neither does his team that's what i was going to say love y'all

but point being i cannot see anything this doesn't hurt anybody this doesn't hurt anybody i mean who's it hurt does it hurt you if it hurts you're you're you're real fragile it hurts usf fans it hurts you it's okay you had a usf you had you had you had more Multiple chances. Multiple chances to stop this. Let's say that was the actual national title game. How about that? You know what? I'm all for that. The war on I-4. Oh, yeah, what you're about to watch in the title game?

It's more like the non-war on I, the stand-off. The World War I-4. Oh, it's the standoff on I-85. That's what it is. Yeah, statistically what you are going to get. out of this game, it's going to be a one-eighth, one-eighth of what you saw in the war on I-4. It's the war on 116th, whatever. It's not going to be, it's going to suck. I'm going to prep you all and just get ahead, cut to the, you know, the spoiler, which is national title game.

It's not going to make anyone happy. No, it's the, yeah, it's not a war. It's like an 18-month property dispute settled in small claims court. It's the I punti on I-20. That's good. Throw it on a shirt. We'll sell a bunch of them. That'll be great.

So, yeah, so I think we've just decided. And we started this discussion with, it doesn't hurt anybody. And we amended it with all three of us going, yeah, UCF's the national champion. If they send me a shirt, I'll wear it. Yeah, they're, send us shirts. We will wear them.

We will post it on social media. and come to rue the day because I don't know UCF will beat Florida by 31 day or something We should probably talk about The Rose and Sugar Bulls Maybe Yeah the

What do we call those? The losers bracket games? Yeah Yeah I don't know if we have to talk about the sugar I don't Yeah You've always seen

bama games right it was one of those yeah it was a bama game you know that's all it was a bama game like oh bama's mad oh look they got a bunch of five stars just beat the hell out of a young quarterback wow that's entertainment look nick savin so mad that he even has to play a football game he got knocked down though he did get he did get knocked down didn't even change expression nick saving doesn't even have like he's so pissed off by the fact that he has to even play this game that you know that you know that thing where like cam newton smiles through everything like even when he wrecked his truck there was that picture of him like lying on the sidewalk being attended to by an emt and he's still smiling yeah nick's it's the other way like nick save it yeah blessed and favored nick sabin's wedding photos must be amazing just a wet cat the entire time i could be out recruiting could be out watching film i could be writing a very exciting honor and privilege to

no no no no he invited recruits to the reception oh that's right yeah hold on hold on honey hold on i'm gonna text that guy in the third row say i'm really looking forward to him being a part of my team treating him like a son rose bowl though rose bowl

rose bowl rose bowl's quality y'all rose bowl was oh rose bowl was lit that was it was so back to back we got what two of the best three or four rose bowls ever back to back years seems right Yeah. If you're a Stanford fan, three of the four. Yeah. Yeah, that one was great, too.

That one had its own greatness. They really can't go wrong. I always thought that was the most respectful way to do it because the doubt was never there. None. Removed within seconds. Seconds. I think second play of the game. Or was it first? I don't know. First three plays, all you knew, that Stanford playing against Iowa was not going to go well for Iowa at all, which I thought was really courteous, that Iowa got there, got happy, and then it was like, all right, about that hope thing. Yeah, we're throwing it in the trash compactor. Watch it burn. So in this game we had, at least in the first half, Oklahoma and Georgia, both completely on brand. Like, you know, Oklahoma is being just devious on offense.

um baker mayfield is unstoppable georgia is running wild i think at one point they were running for 20 yards of carry but they weren't running it was like 17 passes to 10 rushes at one point kirby smart was just getting out coached well kirby smart and his coaching staff was just you know what were they down by like 17 something like yeah they were down 17 before the the failed squib kick yeah and they were and how they went how they went down by 17 also like a a past two baker mayfield it was that was the moment where you were just like oh

this could definitely like shit they've got they bought all the good fireworks god damn this could be bad well as what as happens with fireworks displays sometimes sometimes yeah you might lose a finger and sometimes you you don't budget correctly right you uh sometimes when you do these things You, um, you, you, you, you manage to blow them early. Yeah. You don't, you don't, you don't pace, you know, no, no, no. You put the, you put the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, like, the, giant sparkling patriotism fountain.

You put that on. Right. You put the, you put the, like, you know, foreigner buster. You put that up a little too soon. And everyone's like, yeah, man, all we got left are a bunch of sparklers. Because for the third quarter, uh, Oklahoma. By the time the defense just said, I think for a while, I'm trying to just sort of hold back towards his defense.

They were trying to sort of keep everything in front of them. And after a while, Kirby was just like, now, man, here, cover one, man free. Why don't you all go beat some people up? That's exactly what the receiver's got no separation after a while. Mayfield was under pressure. Didn't like what he was seeing. Didn't look comfortable. And yeah, that was Sparkler time.

And that's when Georgia just began to put them screws on. And Roquant Smith, if you try, waving a sparklinger's face, he'll just eat it or something. And it was weird because it felt like even when that was happening, Oklahoma was still having decent success running the ball when they did normal shit. Whenever they were like, oh, double end around. And it was like, oh, you know, why? Stop it.

Stop it. But they didn't. For my next trick. Rodney Anderson finished this game with great numbers. 201 yards on 26 carries two touchdowns like Baker Mayfield definitely the passing game had help elsewhere in the offense but then you look at the running numbers for Georgia

and it's just rude it's just fucking rude it's rude and brilliant and the best part was I mean I think they would have been fine anyway both guys would have gone for a hundred which is what they did despite so many Michelle giving them the ball right she's very emotional after the game man i i hate watching them cry even in like even when they win but i think for a minute he thought he might have like handed the game to him and that's that's hard

to look at like even in victory you're like oh this is so beautiful please don't cry please don't cry the second time that like teared up thinking about a kid like joel landing oh man Joel Anning when Iowa State won, their bowl game. And Joel Anning's like, thank God I don't have to play two positions anymore. Thank God. At last. When did you feel that Carmically, Oklahoma lost this game? I have my answer, but I want to see what you think.

I think they lost it Carmically the minute Mike Stoops was chosen as defensive coordinator. So we got to go way back into time. way bad shit we're really going all the way back to like Bob Stoops' parents' decision to have multiple children yeah

either that or the squib kick I don't know like but the squid kick that's inexcusable you can't you can't you can't have execution like that in a in a playoff game that's not that's a cliche but like

damn what are you doing just make one kick one kick one kick one successful kick is all we're asking for and uh they do that right before half time and give them three points and you go oh man what's what's three points here three points is everything because without that they don't get an o t i have a more aggressive answer oh okay when they decided to settle for a field goal in the first overtime they had they had listen they had like fourth and a shortish one at the georgia 16 and like yeah i get that you know

you've got a good kicker you want to to just keep the game going, whatever, whatever. The play they ran on third and two is pretty fucking stupid as well. Honestly, I would have just said, you know what, let's just see if we can keep it going. Because you know that your defense has been extremely ass, and you know that your special teams have been pretty ass in this game. Not necessarily the field goal kicking unit specifically, but like it all sort of touches each other.

All this food touches each other on the plate at some juncture. And I kind of just wish that they had just said, let's see if we can go get that yard, score a touchdown, and not give Georgia the ball back. I think the decision, that decision to just be like, well, let's extend this. Like, how many times did you have to see a Georgia running back running where nobody was? The more chances you give them to do it, the more chances it was going to happen again. And then it happened again. Yeah, especially when you're dealing with an offense like,

Georgia's, which, you know, they're working on direct, man, right? Like, they're, hey, give a running back a ball. And guess what? He's going to, he's going to score points, right? Like, he's just going to get three, four, 70, especially if, you know, I don't know, your entire defense shifts to the left. The quarterback is visibly going, hey, we're running right. And only one person on the defense, I don't know what linebacker that was for Oklahoma.

But, oh, my God, the poor guy. He's screaming just like, I see. a car crash iceberg guys iceberg that was that was my favorite play of the game it was like sunny michelle and jake frown look up like um

hey uh attention everyone i think we shouldn't run over there we should run right here where absolutely no one is everyone think that's a good at yeah let's do that okay okay hey everyone we're gonna do and then they did that and it went for touchdown and meanwhile mike stoop says i thought that i thought it was a trick oh dang it like i don't know like that's another point i don't think they'd see that

i'm going to go back to that is my answer because if you have one team with a punch of like with a freshman quarterback counting right and just go one two three one two three okay we're going over here we got we got numbers on this side where there's one defender look i think we have a four on one blocking advantage over here let's go there like that's that's probably when you won the game is when nobody on the other side except that poor linebacker the the little boy awake in the watchtower right on the titanic just going hey is anyone awake no kid no one's awake man just get to a rowboat buddy we we were fucked two miles ago yeah do you know how boats work that's it it's the

nautical defense right that's what it is it's not that oh you was slow they were just working on nautical time we still have ad reads to get through shall we shall we do a few before we yeah um i got one from christopher who and these were of course if anyone's just not joining us um these were people who donated generously to hurricane relief several months ago and we're still catching up on things that we owe them, such as this from Christopher. Helping people is good, unlike Auburn. And I think it could be argued that Auburn helped some people this year, such as Georgia. You gave Georgia some adversity, and then you also were the adversity that Georgia overcame,

powered them into the playoff. You gave UCF, its national title claim. um you helped clemson get into the playoff too which which which helped which help bama help yeah that's good that's good i'm very excited when when we managed to help bama that's what we need to do at all times it's help bama yeah so i mean Auburn really did have one of the weirdest seasons that they went two and two against playoff teams they went two and one against national title teams that's hard it's insane it's very difficult to do i wouldn't recommend you shouldn't do that really hard

to do don't do it don't do that in retrospect don't do any yeah i mean i wouldn't yeah it's not it's not advisable it's this is one of those years where from the er right in a full body cast alburn's like in retrospect i would have made some different decisions probably should have just gone eight and four spoiler they won't they won't make different decisions it's not going to happen We learn nothing. This read is from Wade. I'm drawing it because I'm the Northwestern asshole. Need long snapping lessons, whatever you do.

Don't call John Henry. He ruins Stefan Demas's perfect P.A.T. record. John Henry can, however, equip you with vehicle of your dreams for your local donk parade. Call 1-800-J-H-P-8-58. I have not verified what that number goes to. So I wouldn't, I'm going to go ahead and say that if you call it, whatever happens, happens. That's not on me. I will say that based on what I can find, there was no perfect PAT record, at least for a season in play for either of the two years, 09 and 2010, when Mr. Demas was Northwestern's kicker. I can only assume that

like all things Northwestern this is a lie perpetrated just to make me angry which is fine The Middil grad I appreciate your commitment to the facts Thanks I know I really yeah the integrity here on display is definitely worthy of the degree

which we all have because we all went to Medill and that's why we're in sports journalism and our authorities they're on It's also why the Marriott Points program is obviously something we all feel deeply passionate about. The read I have is from Zach. My three and five-year-old saw pictures of the aftermath in Puerto Rico

and wanted to give what's in their savings jars. So we added that on. You might be done with the thanks, but if not, you can mention Lola and Amelie. Hey, Lola and Amelie, magnificent work. I really hope you're not listening to this podcast. It's not suitable for children. But if your daddy's playing this,

well done it's not it's not suitable for adults either what what would you say like who would you say or is the limited sphere of people that you're like you should listen to this and it's okay we'll get back to that okay okay yeah meaning i'm not going to answer the question