Shutdown Fullcast - The Failure State

Episode Date: January 13, 2021

Ill-advised napping locations we have known Sark Week goes sideways, fast Injuries invented during the course of this episode: sex hernia, gamer’s knee, online toe  Right, the title game  So: What is “the failure state”? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hey, I'll let, I've got one more. I'm sorry you guys can't go, but Marjorie Taylor Green, the like cute idiot. Oh, we know who that is. She wore a face mask that said Molon, Lab. Are you fucking cute? Oh, my God, what a fucking hardo. Ask and answered, counselor.

I'm sorry, do they not have past tense? Do they not have those face masks in past tense? In the words of the Punisher, all you need is love. I love that I love the thing How about moron, Lab Come and take it I don't think you believe in the second amendment

Unless you eat your salad with a gun That's all I'm saying Yeah Why do you worship the Spartans? They were fucking losers No, no let's unpack this Come on. They're a very seven and five team

They're the most seven and five fucking team. Xerxes ain't played no. Do you know what I see? That's how they said it too. Don't at me. Xerxes. They're like what. Jason, you do it.

We only had like 120 people and then we held off the, I'm sorry, I see poor roster management. That's what I see. I see you've lost the locker room. Yeah, that sounds like an FCS team. It's Mike Leach. Yeah. Yo, we only need.

Take your moulin labia back to hell. On that note Where you came from You can't spell Plutarch without L You can't spell Plutarch without L welcome to the shutdown fullcast you are listening to the internet's only college football podcast if you want another one lociento you don't have any other options you can listen to the podcast take that shit to the bibliotheca yeah you can walk that on down past la piscina

pass la playa and you can go in and say kora s and don't install a bibliotheca because we are also can you not even fake an accent god damn gringo no i just fucker oh oh peggy let's hear from it peggy no don't come on you why don't you why don't you let you lay them trace tacos on me we're not doing that come on come on yeah both of y'all speaking spanish sound like my mom at the canteen Nebel. Let me, let me, let me hear you. Mr. I just got back from six weeks in Barcelona. Oh, I'm sorry. Barcelona. That's Castilian Spanish and it's different. Okay. You're hanging, you're hanging hams in your dorm room. And in Barcelona, they mostly speak Basque, I think, anyway. So, fuck you. Um, Ryan, it's called chamon. Sorry. No, it's not a nap that may be late for work. It's a siesta. Man, can siesta culture please invade, like, among all the taco trucks on every corner and lesbians marrying box turtle things that we were promised with this election can i please get an invasion of siesta culture in this country i mean in the

work from home in the work from home uh nature of the last year it's here i would argue did i watch the title game from my bed sobbing the entire time mind your own business keep it walking yeah that's that is that is my favorite thing I saw a clip of Bobby Flay that I found this week on TikTok of him going so last year I I dropped everything and I lived for six weeks in Rome and Bobby Flay is indistinguishable from a second year student who got the study abroad pass and came home and was like you know the locals call it aroma like he was completely in this he's like yeah this is my coffee shop

and this is my other coffee shop we do super italian things here at the bar where i drink beer did you study abroad ryan yeah but i don't want to talk about that that's just boring well no no no no let's a little bit late for all that okay yeah yes i study i studied yes i studied abroad in florence oh that's awesome yeah that's awesome no that's yeah i don't have them i'm sorry i'm not making fun of that it sounds incredible I did end up at one point sleeping in a train station, so that was fun. Just like Roger Sherman. Yeah, it was very Roger Sherman.

Just like Roger Sherman now, I mean. Yeah. On that trip, I slept in a train station, and I slept on a rock in the middle of a cove. It was a very large rock. Define on a rock. This is in one of the towns of the Chinquatera, which is these five little villages along the, like, northwestish corner of the boot and we me and a couple of friends who were also on the study broad trip we were like let's go there but this was in like 2004 so your ability to

plan things out was pretty limited especially if you were a college boy and you already had limited planning abilities so we were like well let just show up and then we'll figure out housing along the way we ran into um we met like a couple of girls on a bus who we like had a good time talking to and hung out with them and then the five of us or whatever met some i think american air force guys who were there on leave and they had a house now there was no there were no hotels there were no motels there was nothing that even seemed to be open at like like eight in the evening when we got there but we met these these troops and we were like oh they seem cool and they're like hanging and drinking with us maybe they will let us crash with

them that was true for the two girls the three of us slept in the harbor yeah in the doing an important job though you were you were guarding the troops by sea that's true yes we had the watch that's right yeah you said you you fellas got the skies we got the seas yeah dude you were like odysseus you just washed up that's so mediterranean mythic of you yep and uh and then i went to hell is that where it is that's also it's it's in the cayman islands and you can send a postcard from it that says i've been to hell i so yeah study abroad there it is dude did you come back did you come back with a little something something for the nabobs who didn't get to go to italy like like a gift be honest no you know some airs no the opposite oh yeah no not really is a pretense like look look i get i get what you're

saying airs like kids i get what you're saying but this was a this was a multi-university um thing that was happening in florence it included the university of florida f i u and usf so like you take That is a lot to unleash on Italy. Only I thought you should really be there. They're the only truly international university in Florida. So I guess what I'm saying is like the group that that was there was not really predisposed to let's be hoity tooty. Let's like stick up our pinkies and like we had a good time and we did like some of us did cultural things. Some people were just like we can drink here and nobody can stop us in the street.

But no, it was not it was not conducive to come back. and pretend to be a changed person. I would imagine with those universities that you go and come back to Florida and your fellow students are like, dude, you missed out on the sickest rager. Right, yeah. Like the, the FOMO is in reverse

of what it would probably be where at different universities. Also, I wanna point out that FIU stands for Florida Italian University. Oh, yes, it does, that's true. Los Panteros. That's Spanish. Um, I, I wanted to say the best place you've, like, you've slept in a harbor.

I know the best place that I have seen Holly Anderson fall asleep in public. Yeah. No. Yeah. No. Yeah. Absolutely. It was a long time ago.

Which is after something like a 36-hour bender in Las Vegas. 72-hour bender in Las Vegas. I don't know. Blackjack switch was your idea and I was like 25. Yeah. It was fine. And I was like 53. at the time.

Yes. But, you know, it was a young 53, not like now. And I looked over and you had fallen asleep in public in the middle of the median, like the sort of grassy knoll. That grass is very soft. Outside of Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas. You'd fallen asleep in a sundress. Just face down.

I don't think that was voluntary either. I think you were okay one minute. It was not voluntary. By the way, middle of the day in Las Vegas. Vegas so sunlight was an issue this was also the trip where I was wearing heels the entire time and you were like we can walk to the stratosphere then you made me go to circus circus I miscalculated which is full of clowns which I'm afraid of and you know do you know when our friendship was cemented would you like to know when our relationship dynamic was fully cemented sure it was

you me and canoe you guys were both sick you were half drunk and half out of your mind on Tylenol brand cough syrup, which is all we can find in the gift shop. It's delicious. And when I realized I was being pulled towards the entrance of Circus, Circus, I just stopped. I balked like a moo cow. And you took my elbow and you look in my eyes. And I'll never forget what you said. You said, Holly, you're going to get through this.

And you're going to do something you don't want to do because you're outnumbered. Yeah. Spoken like a true graduate of the University of Florida. I got to be honest. I assumed, I assumed when you walked in the circus circus, they just handed you cough syrup. That is fair. Not enough. This was before the remodel of Circus, Circus, and when half of the floor was still filled with, like, poorly taxidermied raccoons.

Oh, cool. And this is after he made me walk to the stratosphere in heels. It was a little bit. So, yeah, by Sunday, I was sleeping face down at three in the afternoon in a grassy median. It was her time. Maybe, what if that was Holly's time? What if that's how Holly was supposed to go and she's just been lingering? Yeah.

And she just missed the window? Yeah. Yeah. explains a lot. Anyway, thank you for bringing that back. Yeah. Now she's a day, now she's a day walker, trap between life and death. Oh my God.

That was like 2009. Why were we there? You're like Blade, but from East Tennessee. I'm like Blade in a lot of ways. Hey, hey, Holly pays her taxes. I do. Yeah. Not happily.

though. It's like all daywalking vampires. But my taxes are going so well. Look around us. Hey, speaking of state-funded endeavors. Before we talk about the national title game, I thought we might want to get it into the immensely successful reign of Steve Sarkesian head coach at Texas. I think it's fine. How long did we get before Steve Sarkisian committed a massive unforced error? The title game hasn't been over for 24 hours now.

And at the time when this went down, the title game actually hadn't started 24 hours prior i i'm going to take issue with the idea of unforced because what you are like it so an enforced error is it you know in strict tennis terms is you get a hitable ball back and you fuck it up you push it wide you push it long you hit it in the net like you didn't flail and miss you didn't like die for a ball that was hard to get to you you just fucked up and nothing there was no reason that had to happen that's the rough definition of it. That is not what happened to Steve Sarkesian. I think it was because there's an easy answer.

Okay. There is. You just put it back when somebody says, hey, what are you going to do about the eyes of Texas thing? You say this, not 24 hours after taking the job. You say, well, I'm aware that it's controversial and I'm going to have to discuss this with my players before I come to any sort of decisions on what that's not what the money wants to hear. And that's why it's not unforced yeah what am i doing once you find yourself public once you're steve sarkeesian and you find yourself behind the longhorn network microphone in front of the texas longhorn branding you have already answered this question have you not you have already agreed to the people who are paying your salary what your answer will be whether you have conferred with the athletes uh or not

i mean like the question the question was answered when he took the job i don't know based on based on how it went with how, based on how it went with Herman, we can absolutely state that he would not have been with that microphone without having already given that answer to the Texas wallets. Also, Spencer, I like the idea of continuing the Texas, or the tennis analogy and striking it back to them. So when they say, coach, what are you going to do about the eyes of Texas? He says, I don't know, what are you going to do about the eyes of Texas? Next question. That would have been a better answer. Sure. That would have been a much better answer. Look, look, I agree that there are better, there are better answers out there, but unforced error makes it sound like he just

stumbled into it, and that is not a situation. Like, listen, Steve Sarkesian's going to stumble into plenty of bad decisions, I suspect, as head coach of the Texas law. I think, I think what Jason's trying to get at, which is what I'm also trying to get at, is that the error that was unforced happened before he even got in the room. This was the evidence of a previous error. This was the echo of the unforced error. What do you say as a public figure when confronted with a thorny issue in a public forum? Also, you don't use the word fucking controversial, because if that's controversial to you, that is in itself a problem. To be fair, it's not what he said.

This is what Steve Sarkeesian said. I know this much. Oh, yeah. What he said was worse. I know this much. The Eyes of Texas is our school song. We're going to sing that song. We're going to sing that proudly.

He says that he knows that there are tough discussions that need to happen. it, but, and I quote, that's our song, and we're fired up to sing it, quote. We, we have gotten a hell of a workout. So, we're so tired. Here's all you ought to do. Now, if you're on the, if you are on the other side of this and you don't want the of Texas to be sung, just all he said was, it's our school song, therefore we are singing it.

Use this logic against him. Make my neck, my back, the Texas, the school song of the Texas longhorns. Is it possible we refers to Steve and B. Bivo. Bivo doesn't know the lyrics. Bivo cannot read a history book. Bivo doesn't know what any of the shit means. Bivo just likes noises.

It's Bivo and Stivo, not Adam and Evo, y'all. Guys, Bivo might not even understand the concept of Texas. No, no. That's good for Bivo. That's why Bivo rests happily at night. As in Bivo's a sovereign citizen? Yes, that is correct. Is Bivo a city state within Texas?

A huge walking city state. Unto, I keep trying to say, I keep trying to say B-Vo as a she, and I recognize that it's not she-vo, but I almost want to do it just to bring back my favorite ever rejoinder of Jason's. Nuh, it's a boy cow. Yeah, it's true. To all the Texas fans who got mad at us the last time he said it was a cow. It is.

It's a very large cow. How am I supposed to know all those cow science terms, like bull and steer? Those are obviously technical terms. I mean, why do we need to act like they're different species? They're all cows, right? Aren't we all cows? Aren't we all cows in the eyes of the Lord? In the Lord's eyes, we all have multiple stomachs.

Yes. You know, the mouth is a kind of primitive stomach, yes. That's not true. You know, a cavity is a cavity. Oh, God, wow. What, do you think God, God, God is, speaking of, speaking of errors. Seriously. God's made so many animals.

Do you think he remembers the design? He's probably looking at people and he's like, Are you trying to tell him your god? Is this why you think sharks are mammals and reindeer or dogs? You think, I bet he's so confusing. He's like, why don't do that? You want to know how to speak in public correctly? Just listen to Spencer.

He's got the good ideas for you. Do as I say, not as I do. Spencer, what is the most complex biological phenomenon you could explain at this point of the human body? I think I could do a pretty decent virus and antibodies one if you gave me a second to make sure, like to look up and make sure I had my, my, my, all my proper nouns, right? Okay, we are putting you in charge of some shit. Yeah. I can I do that. The answers would hear the whole time.

God damn it. Yeah. I don't even know where to send you because all federal buildings are compromised. I'm probably not unique in that, too, because I think anybody who's more than four years out from basic high school biology probably has a really basic primitive understanding of how their own body works by name, right? You probably have a good intuitive sense of what's happening, but you could not describe what is happening at all. Like you're, you can, like you evaluate the effects really well, and then if somebody says, well, what's the cause of that? You'd be clueless. You'd have no idea.

right that's like when somebody like passes out and you go oh man you passed out that's so weird what's wrong well i don't know well i was walking around with spencer for three days and heels in las vegas correct that's what happened you could do that right and it turns out the body doesn't like that was 25 i don't know how to hydrate i think spending all this time watching sports has given me a greater sense of the human body you know like ah it hurts right here i have a Sports hernia, you know? Yeah. You learn a lot of body terms from sports.

That was definitely my ACL just then. It's popped. Has it brought the term, are you injured or are you hurt into any of your parenting circles? 100%. Yeah. You have to do that because my boys are soccer players by nature. Italian soccer players? Yeah.

See, I swing the opposite way and I'm like, phew, I guess we got to go to the hospital. and that usually filters out the reel from the fake pretty well it'll be so boring there wait will you see the paperwork I cannot really sort of like I wanted to ask Jason

do you have injury hubris where you basically have taken some sports injury that happened and go oh it's got to be the sports thing when in fact it's something much less glamorous or interesting and with zero valor where you go like one time i i woke up and i was like owl thought i hurt my shoulder turns out i just slept on it wrong which is lame i've told this story you you fell asleep face down and up beat the beanbag thing happened more than once yeah but i only went to the hospital thinking i was having a heart attack once and it turns out i'd slept in a beanback wrong this is great right my doctor who told me that by the way university at michigan grad go blue

And I've done this multiple times. And every single time I'm like, yeah, I probably heard it weightlifting or something. They're like, do you sleep weird? Yeah, I don't know. I was like throwing around the pig skin with somebody. And they're like, yeah, it probably wasn't that. I think the problem is that I'm too strong.

I'm too strong and too cool. Do you sleep like they've been dropped from a great height? Yeah. Yeah. The sports hernia thing that I don't know if I've, I'm sure I have. I can't recall one right now. With the sports hernia one, that was my brother-in-law. He had a regular hernia that he referred to as the sports hernia.

hernia just did he planned his hernia plain old oh he tried he tried why you got to bring a football

into this the hernia hernia should be very specific you should be able to put any hobby in front of

okay you beat me to it I was gonna be able to put any hobby in front of that that's a gamey hernia it's my

point sciatica shit here's here's a fucked up here's a fucked up thing straight from

the Johns Hopkins medicine site Despite its name of sports hernia No, no, we'll get to that Despite its name of sports hernia Is not actually a hernia The condition's true name is

Athletic Pubalgia It's still athletic though Yeah, that is true So it's still a badge of honor Better than unathletic Pubeauja Yeah, I have a masculine hernia It's extremely masculine I have artistic Pubeauja

I have reading Pubeauja I'm just going to start putting gaming in front of different injuries. Yeah, he's got a gamer. Gaming or he's got a gamer shin. He's got gamer's knee. I got online toe. Oh, God.

That's the worst one. It just won't shut up. Don't post it. Yeah, I really have online toe that won't log off. Isn't that what restless leg syndrome is? Your legs won't log off? Yeah, what if you have, what if you have torpid legs? Oh, man, I got online legs.

Yeah, your, Holly is the exact opposite. by the way when she is sick she's like I don't know I mean I think it's like a little sinus thing and I'm like yeah you have a screwdriver embedded in your forehead I have no idea how that happened this look I have no retorts to that because you have taken

me to the hospital she's from Oak Ridge like come on that's where you this has landed me no I will copter this this has landed me in trouble more than once uh by thinking that I am probably font okay here's the thing i get this directly from my mother who's probably listening to this

podcast at this point hi mom sorry uh we are cats in my family when we don't feel good we're gonna go out in the woods and either come back fine or die and we don't want to talk to anybody about it or deal with it and uh sometimes this can result in uh you just getting better on your own and sometimes you think you can knock your kneecap back in by yourself and it turns out that's not necessarily true especially if you're not left-handed are you Mel Gibson and lethal weapon yes without any of the good parts but also none of the anti-Semitism sure right sunrise sunset rigs actually no wait no I'm not Mel Gibson I'm I'm Danny Glover

come on man do you know who I hang out with don't do Spencer don't do it his hair isn't that good i i see you don't do it am i the fat melkipson that's yeah oh the fat man riggs no god damn it don't do the voice rigs rigs are you santa mil gibson riggs yeah santa santa riggs yeah i i have the opposite problem and do not seek medical care past the point when i probably definitely should seek medical care bold note on lethal weapon by the way male r slash male living spaces i thought you were going to say male gipson i was like did you just channel your mother yeah the sub the subreddit of extremely masculine living spaces meaning empty rooms that just have a playstation and a lawn chair in them with an air

mattress uh the ultimate the pinnacle of our male living spaces aesthetic is mel Gibson's trailer and lethal weapon that's on the beach and has a trap door he built for his dog no that's way too well decorated and well stock to be one of those dudes yeah but that's if you want like the high point of that particular that is the apex of the form but it is far it is not the mean or the medium no definitely not but but he's on like a beach in malibu on a trailer definitely not allowed to be there either no no not at all but every dude that's in things the movies that are bait if you're a dude watching that movie and you're like that's sick it's got a trailer on the beach and he only lives there with this dog and it's really poorly insulated

fucking dad doesn't get it dad doesn't get me i'm like i'm watching this movie and i'm like imagine the smell it'd be so bad it would just smell like it'd just be beer farts you're never gonna get the farts out of that upholstery and that upholstery doesn't come loose yeah he's got like that and a sick not until it's shot up by helicopters that and a sick truck and ghost in his mind it's a perfect lifestyle it's so romantic what do you I think he eats. Chili out of a can. He is seen eating a burger and a hot dog at one point.

He eats when he's at the, when he's at his partner's house, right? And I think that's the only time you see him eat the rest of the time. He's drinking beer at like 9.30 in the morning and firing up like Marlborough. That's it. And is in peak physical condition. This is the story of a very damaged man. I mean. Lethal weapon?

What? trying to say it's a story built on trauma no i feel like dana holgerson was like i'm gonna do that and now he's like oh dang it didn't work none of it worked why am i not yet he's just now aging into the part i should have like a six-pack and live in a trailer on the beach fuck instead i'm living in houston i'm 40 pounds overweight and the hair blocking sled over here i'm gonna spin kick it yeah it's my workout three spin kicks a six-pack quick dislocate my shoulder it's gonna be awesome don't go to the hospital yeah i'll go to the hospital

imagine if dana holgerson pulled you off of the top of a building this is the first time i can say nick sabin looks like he is exactly 69 years old he looks like a man who is sick of not just your shit but the collective shit of the world that lighting is garbage as well Yeah, it's doing him no favors. It is. Actually, I got to correct you there. There are no weird shadows on him. It's too bright, but he's ringlet.

It looks like they've got a ringlet light up there, but it is definitely too bright and too close to his face. Yes. He looks like when you shine a flashlight into the engine block of your car looking for a possum and you find it. And the possum looks back. Yeah, that's what its eyes look like. Just as angry, too. this is the guy who just won his seventh national title but he was he was positive he was happy he was happy at halftime

and he was happy after the game point where these questions are interfering with him recruiting he doesn't need to recruit they already they've already locked up the number one class i guess he can recruit for next year the 2020 are you calling him a quitter yeah i actually think him being happy at half time was him processing early and ahead of scheduled so he could get the emotions out of the way Oh, that's probably what it is, yeah. The face you're looking at here is emotional hangover. Like this is like seeing somebody after a really good wedding where it's like, hey, what did I feel last night?

Yeah, where it's like, hey, hey, you just got married. Did you have fun? It's like, yeah, it was fucking great. You look like you're not happy. It's just emotional hangover. That's all. I like the idea that he just went ahead and scheduled himself. His entire 2021 vacation was that five minutes before halftime.

I'm just going to knock the shit out of the way. Or that the actual look that he's giving this camera after they destroyed a really good Ohio State team in the national title game, the look he's giving here is a self-critical look where he's thinking, I can't believe I let myself have fun. So ashamed that I was happy. You know, you can't let that show again. They took pictures and everything. There was a smile.

There was hugging. and it was public and I'm going to have to feel bad about that we saw Nick yeah everyone saw me be happy everyone saw I'm going to float something else out there what if

this is what he enjoys and we are just watching a man marinate in his beloved pastime what if this is high energy this is high intensity interval training for him of the psyche it's like I've never felt so alive and we're just seeing a warrior at the peak of form nah probably not no i think he's probably

already thinking about the 2022 class absolutely that's where he's at and he should be not getting any younger nick tick to this is the closest thing i've seen to the dad in billion saying i'm not going to die nick sabin's going to win another seven national titles you think he's a michael bolton fan yeah and i think that he thinks that one important principle of his program is to never turn away from your fans to lock them in with steel bars of love and affection and make sure they understand what happens and what needs to happen when you walk in that facility and that the thing he would say if he could look at football was how am i supposed to live without you that's how much a part of it is um i had to do a hard thing about i don't know a month ago i had to go to homefield

apparel dot com and i had to browse their florida state collection this is the thing i didn't want to do for obvious reasons. I love Homefield's products. I have plenty of home field products that sweatshirts, T-shirts from schools that I've never attended.

I've never even visited. I wouldn't even, like, I don't know that I would tell people out in the world like, yeah, I'm a Rice Owls fan. I don't have anything against Rice,

but I don't think I'm necessarily signing up for that ride. But I had to go find a Florida State piece of clothing for my sister-in-law, because she's who I drew in our sibling gift exchange this year and and like the world is a big place and there are other places that I could have gone to get a gift I didn't have to

buy my sister-in-law the Florida state fan a Florida state hoodie but like how could I what other option would there have been that would have been superior to that why would I punish this good person in my family just because Because going to look at the interesting and unique designs that happen to be associated with the Florida State Seminoles on Homefieldapparel.com is painful to me. Like, I had to swallow that and I had to deal with that. But the good news is I got to follow that experience by going and look at all the other schools that aren't Florida State on Homefield Apparel.com, which I don't know. Holly, would you say there are 100 non-Florida state schools on offer? several at least so like that was that was such a pallet cleanser adding new schools all the time

adding new designs all the time and most importantly national championship homefield school Ohio State not a home field school it's hard you know you see these things and you just sort of say like I don't know is homefield magic real yeah is homefield magic real maybe like like you don't have to believe in it but if it bites you in the ass you're going to really regret that you better respect it you should respect home film magic

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stay at home wear a sweatshirt talk to no one is that roughly fair? that roughly fair oh absolutely that's why we do this podcast that's right podcasting is probably a pretty good sign of seasonal depression or just like full-blown depression but you can you can combat that in a small way by going to get something cozy cuddly colorful comfortable from our friends at homefield apparel dot com Conner I did my best not to embarrass you in the ad read I hope I did a good job you know what we

would really complete this though is uh some sweat pants wear the pants Connor where are the pants talker talk talk talk talk talk talk dog how much would you price those pants for if you were uh well setting the market so this is a hundred dollars if I were Connor at this point I would do it and make them three hundred dollar dollar joggers we've absolutely fucking earned the inability to purchase these at this point Let's see, divided by 300. So in my acorns savings account, I let this thing cook and matriculate

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thank you i was going to make a joke about the ferryman on the river sticks but let's just keep it moving like he would it's what he's for i need i need i need i need i need a I need to know what he's charging so I can get my acorn's account devoted solely to dying and having enough money to get the ferryman. Let's step on the fucking boat. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Walk. Walk. Walk. There's room up front. Up front. Pack it in. Pack it in. Now I'm picturing. It's like trying to get people off this off Marda at the SEC championship game. Everyone scooch. Everyone on three. Scooch to the right.

We're going to pick one to. It says Georgia World Congress Center. If that's where you're going, get off the train. This says stadium. Is this it? Also, you're dead. I cannot wait to get to the river sticks. And it comes out and he's like,

welcome to this duck boat. We do tours every day. Here's a little duck quack whistle as you enter the underworld that is the afterlife and potentially your spell in purgatory. I need you to blow on the quack whistle with me because, like a little ducky, we're on the river let's blow folks quack thank you thank you i wanted to talk about this quote from naji harris that may be my favorite quote from any athlete ever postgame i don't think i've ever seen an athlete say anything that was just like this honest and revealing and relatable and

relatable which was this one of ohio states uh more colorful beat reporters asked Ohio State has a really good front. How are you able to expose those holes so effortlessly? Oh, boy. Yeah. First of all. Expose those holes. Let's just revisit that little bit of verbiage.

Let's not use it again. Najee Harris said, Effortlessly? You didn't see what they was doing? They was blowing my ass up. What are you talking about? It wasn't effortlessly. I tell you what, they did their brain.

Bro, to be honest with you, it was just, you know, what they did is every time we do. did a play action they just shot the gaps shot the gaps the linebackers we got a couple of them to play a lot of fakes that's why we're able to throw so many bubbles and slants and all that but bro they was blowing my ass out you tripping it was not easy i am hurting that is the actual transcription word for word by the way and i've watched it it's a pretty good transcription can i tell you why i appreciate this because one thing that you tend to forget after doing this for a really, really long time is that the people that you're watching are

abnormal. They're superhuman because like, oh, I saw Kelvin Benjamin. So Jalen Ramsey, I'm going to look at Jalen Ramsey and I want to say, hey, Jalen Ramsey, I think he's pretty good at football. And I'm going to turn, I'm going to see, hey, hey, Dalvin Cook, that kid looks like he's pretty, he's pretty fit. I'm not doing this chronologically correctly, but I'm trying to get to a point here, which is that I appreciate the notion, which we don't think about a lot, that not only do we see these differences between the athletes and normal people, when we step back for a moment, that the athletes see that too. Yeah.

And this is also coming from an athlete whose team actually did look like they were effortlessly taking apart the Ohio State Buckeyes and beat them, beat them handily, beat them by 28 points and scored 28 on a quarter in them on them like that's unreal and he's sitting here going this was not easy that's i love that i love that he's like no i'm in a lot of pain those are very bad people out there and excellent opponents but he's also like telling you something about the game because yeah like he his rushing numbers were not great and that's not to say like he had a bad game or anything but like he's kind of revealing like hey if you if you just look at the box score of this game you'll be like whoa you know Bama had more rushing yards had more

passing yards blah blah blah but the reality is most of the game Ohio State said we're not going to let Najee Harris beat us or or or at least bleed us dry and that led to all the opportunities in the passing game, including some for the running backs. But like, it's an interesting sort of like reveal of, yeah, he had a, he had a bad time running the ball, an unpleasant time running the ball. But that meant something for the other phase of Alabama's offense. I know that this was not how it was intended, but I am enjoying the visual of Ryan Day going, yeah, we're not going let Najee Harris beat us while standing right next to Defonte Smith, just staring right past him and being like, yeah, we're not going to, we're not going to let them beat us on the ground, pointedly not looking in Defonte Smith's direction.

No, that guy, yeah, we'll, mean fucking while. We have to let him beat us. I think that's the other. We would prefer to let that guy beat us. That's the flip side. But it's the thing it reminded me most in all of those layers of the extremely cool thing that Najee Harris answered as his reply to this guy. The thing that I was thinking the whole time is it reminded me of Sean Livingston for the Warriors

when the Warriors were blowing people out by 40 points and winning NBA titles. At one point, somebody asked Sean Livingston, yeah, you guys just have great chemistry. It just looks like there's no effort. And Sean Livingston just snapped his head at the reporter, not angrily, but just in disbelief and looked at him and said it is so hard to do what we do it is so stressful this is so i am doing my best and having a maximum effort on every play and i'm not even mad about this i just want you to know it's nerve-racking and i love that because athletes don't usually show you that they're like yeah yeah we got this as opposed to i am hanging on to the back bumper of this wild ride

as hard as i can and i am barely clinging to it and i'm one of the best people to do it because that's Najee Harris. Nadja Harris is best running back in college football this year, easily. And he's going to make a lot of money playing football in the highest form of the sport. And he's sitting there telling you, yeah, this is painful and it's very difficult. I love that. At one point, the aforementioned Devante Smith was covered by Tough Borland. In the open field, at one point, Ohio State's defensive plan involved Tough Borland.

covering Devante Smith. Tough Borland probably runs a 4-6 or a 4-7, and that's faster than any of us, or most likely any of you will ever run. It's not Devante Smith. Devante Smith, as far as I can guess, runs like a 2-3. At least that's what it looks like,

an effortless 2-3. Tough Borland should have gone back after getting embarrassed in the open field on an assignment he never should have had, should have walked right back up, and squared up with his defensive coordinator. Like even, hey, dude, dude i like you but we got to fight because you maybe look like that on national tv

i mean everyone knows it's your fault because i'm not supposed to be in the frame with him like that i might i might come in and like you know pile jump a tackle sure sure i might do the keith brooking mm-hmm i'm going to lead the team in tackles which he did by the way had like 14 total solo and assists hard of the defense not the guy that you want next to davante smith who ran over and passed him for his second TD, I believe, of three in the first half and over 200 yards receiving. And that was the only half he needed because he got injured and Alabama still managed to pull away easily. I think, see, I think Ohio State should have just rotated every player in the defensive rotation on Devante Smith. Because, like, traditional defense didn't work.

they they they he had 12 catches on 14 targets in the first half for 215 yards so it didn't matter if you were putting a cornerback or a safety or whatever so i think you should just sort of say like hey this will be a painful experience part of being a team is sort of sharing the load together tough borland yes you're going to take him one on one but also like all the other linebackers you're going to do that too like pete peter you're going to do it it's not a going to be fun. Your name's Pete Werner. You're not going to, you're not going to keep up with him, but that's just how it's going to go. Jonathan Cooper, you're a defensive end. You're going to cover this whiteout. Everybody just take a turn. I think that would have been the more fair way to do it, and arguably just as effective. That's, I think also, I mean, was there anything that they could have done to win? Honestly. To win? Like, Yeah, to win this game. Like to finish with more points than Alabama had?

I think, how can I get you to do a tie? Can I get you to a tie? How? A tie at halftime? Sure. Sure. Do you think they could have had a tie at halftime? But possibly.

Sure. I guess I guess it depended on like how chatty Bama's coaches were feeling that night. and if they wanted to wrap up all of their analysis after the first quarter or if they wanted to sit down in the locker room, do it at halftime. Okay, this is what I knew there was absolutely no chance of anything happening. Ohio State got backed up by Alabama's offense into the red zone. Ohio State responded by making sure that they were not going to get beat by Naji Harris or that massive offensive line, which, by the way, I don't know if it's just a camera work

on other broadcast throughout the year. I don't know if it's the inordinate amount of attention and number of cameras that we get. But Alabama's offensive line, they looked bigger than I have ever seen them last night. I hope, like, just thicker, bigger, slabbier, just massive piles of dudes. Matter.

More productive. Definitely more productive. They just looked angrier. I don't know if I was watching it and like, I don't know if I was watching the fat feed. like players all look like way hugeer on this feed which by the way ESPN I would totally watch a macro a macro feed of everyone made to look bigger big head big head big head feed the fun house feed the fun house feed the thick boy feed just everyone made to look way bigger than they actually are by a factor of like two but they came out and when they were backed up they didn't want to get beat by Najee Harris so they came out with four linebackers one point they were playing a four four which is a big, beefy, super burly kind of defense that, like, Woody Hayes and hell was really excited

watching. Just naked Woody being like, yes! Yes! Woody Hayes and Sheldon Adelson, just staring up from hell, clapping. First the Viet Cong and then the Alabama offense. Oh, yeah, Reagan's there too. Look at our revenge. Not Henry Kissinger, though. Not yet. Too busy skating. Too busy doing Ollie's.

But that, when they came out with four linebackers, I immediately thought, oh, yeah, it's done. Done, because if that's your answer, what's Alabama going to do? Exactly what they did, which was isolate Devante Smith and their fast receivers running sideways across the field. That sucks so bad when you put four linebackers and go, try running the ball on us now. And they're like, okay, we'll just run it toward the sideline. That is so mean-spirited. We'll just throw it laterally and dare you to keep up.

They were motioning Smith across the formation to get him free one-on-one against. people who had no prayer of covering him. Who, which Ryan Stewart story am I thinking of here? Oh, you're thinking about Ryan Stewart, the former Detroit Lions player. Right, right. But who is the matchup that I'm misremembering? Alonzo Spellman. Thank you.

Who later had a SWAT type situation and some mental issues. Okay, but tell this story. Yeah, at one point. Because if you're asking me to defend Devante Smith last night, one-on-one, first of all, if I'm in a 4-4, it's going to be bad. Second, I'm going to walk back and tell my coach exactly what Ryan Smith. Ryan Stewart told his coach Bobby Ross when he was assigned to do kickoff coverage against Alonzo Spelman at the line. And he looked up and Alonzo Spelman was crying and shaking with rage and looking at him and going,

they got her. I'm going to get you. They got her. I'm going to get you. And he called timeout in the middle of an NFL game, walked over to Bobby Ross and said, I'm not doing that. Just took seat. Bobby Ross was like, you have to go out there.

I do not question this decision. No, he said no. He's like, I'm not facing that man. Whatever he's going to do to me, it's not worth this paycheck. He's out of the league shortly after that. That's me against Avanti Smith. It's just not happening. It was good, though.

I guess. I cannot, yeah. I, look, I think they're, like, Seth Galena had a good piece at PFF about how, about how Ohio State's defense got cooked. because they, like, basically stayed in base the whole time. And the thing that they should have done to give themselves a chance would have been to, like, put a nickelback on the field more, or provide more help, or just, like, do anything different

than sort of what they rolled out all season with cornerbacks who, like, are not, are just not up to, like, being put on an island all game against this Alabama offense. I think on the other side of the ball, like, I don't know. It felt like, it felt like Ohio State was not interested in doing anything that interesting itself. Like they had a little bit of good tight end movement early in the game, but there was, there wasn't anything where you sort of felt like, oh, they know that they have to do something different to win this game, whether that's like one drive that's got a lot of tempo, whether that's like a fake. whether that's, you know, sort of like going for it deep on first. A lot of it felt very sort of constrained and regimented almost.

And that just doesn't seem like a thing. Like you look at the old Miss game. Like sticking to the rubric for the sake of the rubric. Yeah. Like it didn't feel like the offensive game plan for this for Alabama was that different than the offensive game plan for Penn State. And that's a mistake. Like it just is, especially once Trace Herman went out early. like that to me was the place where you probably should have said okay we are not going to win this game

trying to run the ball 30 you know trying to run the ball 30 times and throw the ball 30 times like we're going to have to try something different and they didn't really do that they didn't even take the kind of chances that you might take as an underdog right you know what wasn't a whole lot of fake group wasn't a whole lot of wasn't a whole lot of like trying to steal a possession right because you're right like you're completely right Ryan you know what they could have done though they could have had Justin Fields run a fake punt

I think he has some experience doing that Bama will not suspect it'll lose as their lead blocker it could have used the kicker as a lead blocker let's get real weird fold space time in on itself I didn't pay a whole lot of super close attention to this game like my heart has not been in this college football season at all and it's like oh it's over that's fine um but yeah for me

i had the sense that ohio state like naji harris said they were determined to take him out of the equation and you got to choose one or the other it's either it's either him or devante smith is going to beat you they made their choice and that was that and I think to Ohio State's credit, the reason they finished number two is they did take one of them out of the game. You know, that's hard. Not everyone does that. Most teams just let both of them run rampant. So good job Ohio State for doing half of a thing.

It sort of makes the SEC championship game look even more insane because Florida, when confronted with the choice of, well, do you want to take away Harris or do you want to take away Smith, said, we'll take away neither. And they were within one score. Omes said, not only will we take away neither, we will give you a little bit of extra so that we can get the ball back and give more of ours as well. We'll spot you some turnovers, buddy. After this game, a lot of people were saying,

oh, you know, it looks like Notre Dame didn't play so badly. I'm not going to get into that, I think. I think Bama eased up on the gas against Notre Dame, and I think Notre Dame acquitted itself fine, like, show that they deserve to be on playoffs. Both of those things can be true, yeah. Sure, yes. The thing people have not talked about is this result, and granted, like, Trace Herman didn't play for most of the game. Justin Fields, like, I genuinely don't know,

like, what his level of health and readiness was in this game, and he was, you know, at least healthy for a big stretch of the Clemson game. But, like, watching that Ohio State team, not like sort of waiting for it to be like, okay, when is Bama just going to mash the gas pedal? and the game's going to effectively be done. How did, like, it makes me look back at the Clemson game and be like, what was Clemson doing? How did Clemson, like, look so, look like so feckless against an Ohio State team that Bama really did not, like, Bama didn't look. Bama really didn't look stressed. There were times when Ohio State was executing well, but those were not points where you were like,

uh-oh, Bama doesn't know what they're doing right here. So I'm really glad you said that for one reason. I am up to the end of the 2016 season in my long and frequently interrupted quest to listen through our back catalog and help create a wiki of sorts. And I just finished a couple days before the title game, our discussion of the title game following the 2016 season. And would you like to guess what the topic, one of our main topics of discussion was during that four. 3440 run up stealing possessions yeah so like not only did it so this is not anything that you know anybody who's watched coach's film room for any length of time will be unfamiliar with but this is this should throw it into rather stark relief not only is this not a new concept but our

idiot mouths were saying this four years ago yeah about this same exact situation with of course a different result following the 2016 season but we were discussing approaching these games in this fashion in this exact same way four years ago this is not like even for us none of this is groundbreaking which is part of what makes it so puzzling right yeah also i don't think just go back to a note i i don't think the way anybody played in this game is going to affect any of anybody's future. I don't think that Justin Fields is going to rise or fall in anyone's estimates

as a quarterback based on what he did against this particular buzzsaw. I still think it would have been absolutely gorgeous if he'd opted out before the title game. I wish he'd done it. Well, let's just play that little alternate universe out. How different would this game have been? I actually do think pretty

different. Like, you think you were like 70 to 3? No, I, like look, Justin Fields didn't have his best night by any means but like no i don't mean like because i wanted to watch ohio state suffer i mean because i wish justin fields did not have to suffer quite so greatly i think he yeah he didn't have a very good time and i don't think he was you know how's this it's very safe to assume that he was not 100% physical sure yep but like jason's also right that like the whole thing is clouded in so

much bullshit and question marks and that's none of that is to say like this is an asterisk title no like, I don't think anybody walks away and says, well, you know, Bama didn't really, no. Bamma 100% earned the national championship. Deserved based, you know, even entering the game just based on the resume they assembled all season long and the ease with which they just fucking thrashed teams. This was a team that, you know, had to play an all-SAC schedule, which most Bama teams obviously don't, and ended up being the first undefeated team. in Tuscaloosa since 2009.

Like, none of it is a question of if Alabama deserves this honor or not. But it's really, at the end of it, it's really hard to make judgments, which is why I find it so interesting that the coaching carousel kept cranking the way that it did. Like, I don't know how you can really honestly look at the job anybody did all season long and say, yes, I know that this person did a good job, that that person did a bad job. because you have no context. Even when it comes down to players, it's like, okay, this quarterback didn't play the way you wanted to.

Did he even get to, like, practice with his receivers most of the time? Was his offensive line constantly getting changed out because of COVID restrictions? Like, the circumstances of the experiment changed so wildly and in such unknown ways that it, like, man, good luck to everybody coming out with their top 25s for next year, Because I don't know how the fuck Which by the way That part's easy Did you see that we

I don't remember if it made the show But we were joking before our Sunday night show Of making our Sunday night recording show Our preseason top 25 to drop before the title game And we had ha ha ha ha a funny moment about that And then McMurphy dropped his at halftime We have never told a joke on this program Yeah that's often a yeah

I feel like Athlon gets that out like a week before the title game every year. But I mean, Bama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio, et cetera, et cetera, so on. I'm really looking forward to the draft. Oh, God. I mean, for one thing, it is happening literally during half of the Division one season. Okay, so that's pretty fucking weird. New Mexico State will be done by then.

New Mexico State is still undefeated, by the way. But, yeah, really good luck to those teams picking after, like, 10th, who need a quarterback. This is, I'm glad that you said that because it kind of stacks on top of something Ryan was saying. Do you guys remember back at the beginning of the season when the general consensus seemed to be, okay, this season is going to be a mulligan for everybody? And of course, South Carolina proves that that's not the case.

I mean, Southern Miss fired the coach after week one. Well, that needed to happen a long time ago because his shouldn't have been hired but sure they were at the top be that as it may the point i'm trying to get to is this we spend so much time in this in in this industry so much energy so much bandwidth trying to gin up reasons that things happen and i i'm kind of where jason was i had a had a really i don't want to say i had a really hard time sticking with the title game last night because i didn't mind that i had that i was not able to stick with the title game last night it didn't really matter to me and i don't think i'm the only one in that boat and here's what i mean

by that this season more than any other underlined what i think is one of the great unspoken truths about this sport, South Carolina was always going to fire Wilmos champ. The pandemic wasn't going to change that. Why? Because they wanted to. You know, why does DJ Durkin get another chance? You know, why is Sark the, why is Sark the picket, Texas, despite being one of the least Texan dudes on the market? But we're going to tie ourselves in knots and our colleagues all across the industry are going to tie themselves in knots trying to come up. with quotes and anecdotes and data to justify all of this after the fact when I think a good majority of the time and this season has thrown it into sharper relief than ever before

the answer is we just wanted to and we could so we did what are you going to do about it that is also why I find the that's what's driving most of the draft yeah that's what's that's what's driving most of the coaching carousel that's what's driving uh most of the midseason decisions and it's we we lost a lot of the frippery and a lot of the the valances that we string in front of this stuff year after year like as again as an industry when i mean you guys have all spent time with godfrey you've all spent time with coaches you've all spent time with people who embeds with coaches more frequently than the four of us do, they're just going to do what they want to

because they have never been in a situation where that has been unavailable to them. You think they were going to let this stop them? I did for a minute. I feel pretty stupid about that now. I think that's also like the better, the more accurate summation of like the finish line aspect of this. Leading up to the championship

and after it, like there's this, there's this sense or there's this statement that gets put out a lot that like look at what we overcame and look at what we did yes and that's not to suggest that any of this wasn't hard it was but to me overcoming an obstacle or like completing a task successfully puts on the table a failure state where you don't do that thing where you can't do that thing and the neat trick college football pulled they pulled two neat tricks this year that are old tricks frankly one they never laid out what the failure state would be when they said we're going to come back to play and we don't know how it's going to go they didn't have to say if x happens we're stopping the

season if y happens we're pausing the season and this the same thing like they're not alone in this this is the same thing that's going on in the NBA right now is they're like having to cancel game after game and change their protocols, whatever. But like, if you don't say, you know, like running a four-minute mile, let's say, is a hard-ass thing to do. And you either do it or you don't. If you finish it 405, you didn't run a four-minute mile. But if you just make your goal this hazy completion thing, then you can kind of not get too in the weeds of like how you did it. Because the other neat trick college football polls is that this is the biggest sport, where the largest constituency responsible for it, the players, has no voice whatsoever.

And that's not new to this year. That is baked in to the process. And there are a lot of, like, clever reasons that gets tied into that. Like, FERPA and HIPAA get trotted out whenever they're convenient. Coaches say it's just team policy. We're not letting players on social media. We don't let our coaches talk, so we don't let the players talk. And at the end of it, I find it really hard personally to determine how I feel about this season

because I don't know how the players felt about it. Like, I know that the commissioners and the broadcasters and the coaches and the bowl organizers and the playoff committee, I know that they say it was a success. I know that they felt they did a good job. But if this were any other story, if you were talking about, labor conditions of Amazon and you just talked to management, you did a bad job. If this were about, you know, complaints about sexual harassment within a company and you just talked to management, you did a bad job. And that's not to say that our colleagues in this industry have fucked up. It's that it's all part of a system that prevents that side of the discussion from even happening. Like the Daily Beast ran a piece that was grappling with the same topic but did talk to a handful of players

on an anonymous basis. But even then, it's like they talked to, I think, five or six, only power five. And like, when you think about the number of people, the number of students who play college football and to have so little of a window into what their life was like, how empowered they felt to make decisions,

how supported they felt, how happy they were. I mean, like, shit. Mike Bobo said when South Carolina was going to take a bowl game at 2 and 8 or whatever the fuck they were, he made the mistake of saying the quiet part out loud. He said, this is the SEC, and we don't vote on those things. We don't let players vote on those things. And that was a big no-no.

Media came after Mike Bobo very hard for that. And before long, look at that. South Carolina decided, oh, yes, we are going to let our players decide at the end of the bowl season, and they decided not to play. That's fine. The problem is I couldn't tell you what level of democracy, input, feedback, whatever you want to call it, oversight happened at any other level of the sport at any other point. We started this thing with the Pac-12 players movement, which got turned into the We Want to Play movement. And since then, we have basically heard nothing from the people with the worst side of the risk to reward

ratio in the sport. So I don't know how I'm ever going to feel about this season because the powers that control the thing have prevented me from getting any perspective from the people who matter. Yeah, and the people who matter, the limited perspective that we have heard, there was a piece in The Guardian. written by a professor at duke who uh has a sideline as a someone who writes about amateur athletics i'll get you the name in just a second note these outlets too this is coming from this is coming from the daily beast and this is coming from the guardian because to a large extent the biggest swaths

of our colleagues from the biggest companies uh are actively or passively prohibited either outright by their managers or by threats of withholding future access and thus their livelihoods this gets even worse if you're at the beat writer level they're prevented from doing this kind of work yeah and because who knows you might you might lose an interview with devo swenny i have been yeah i i never ran up against this too many times because i was never important to run up against it too many times but I remember being told at Sports Illustrated. Alabama keeps the lights on. Yeah.

And we were going to report the story one way, and that's that. Yeah, it fucking sucks. The article's written by Nathan Calman Lamb, Derek Silva, and Johanna Mellis, and quotes from players in it are jarring and really, like, really hard to read. certain points where you just but it's important that you do because it's important that you under it really helped me i mean i know why i know why they feel like they can't say this shit themselves online because i know what happens to them online after they do that i know what they get tagged with uh by these i don't even have an adjective for the folks that uh run the NFL teams that's the

whole other barrel of squirrels but reading these quotes drove home even for somebody who's lived with this for over a decade drove home pretty hard why why your players on your particular team if they're feeling this way may not feel empowered to use their own platforms to say this themselves an SEC player put it bluntly it's bullshit i have family and friends too you know coaches are able to go home to their families at night and I have to go back to my dorm on an empty campus. The fact they wanted us on campus over Christmas is messed up. I love football, but that's messed up. I want to see my family and friends.

That's the kind of thing the players went through this season. So if any of them got to the end of the year and didn't want to go to a bowl or opted out or maybe didn't give their best performance in a bowl game, nobody particularly wanted to play besides the administration and maybe the coaches yeah i i get it support it actually advocate for it because that's the other thing when you go well we didn't define any goals ryan said we didn't define any goals so we couldn't be accused of failure the end of the season there were like 30 ends of the season there were 30 different kinds of season and they all ended differently and strangely some teams just kind of decided to stop like now we're good

a bowl game. Some teams that had no business going to a bowl game left at the opportunity. Mississippi State, what, won two games? Before the bowl game? Three. It might have been two. I don't know. They finished with three at least because they won the bowl game. And they went to a bowl game with nobody, with like

a bare bones roster that otherwise probably wouldn't have been acceptable at any other year. And they went to a bowl game. And that to me is when you go, okay, we didn't set any, we didn't set you know any standards for what was success so we can't rightfully be accused of failure but also because that would mean that people had something to hold up against the choices that

we made when the only reason we ever made these choices was because we wanted to there is you pull back the curtain behind these decisions and there's not in most cases an intricate web of decisions and sacrifices and priorities reshuffling there's just impulse and avoid

there's just emptiness yeah so if the season felt hollow for you and you had a hard time following along might have been a good reason for that because I think there was a lot of like at the end that to me the ending is the part where I think it wasn't as if we were on the same page

we weren't all on the same page there really wasn't a page and that that doesn't say oh trying to do something unprecedented so there's no there's really no telling how it's going to end for different teams no you're trying to do something that was really kind of a half effort in the first place

and I don't say half effort in terms of people not working hard i say half effort in terms of we didn't even have a plan and the plan was never about having a plan anyway