Shutdown Fullcast - Your 2025 September Heismen And HeisMarylands

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

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Y'all need to stop being afraid of Ryan. I agree. Look at him. Okay, well, I don't know if it's going to be bad. Now I disagree. This is complicated. All right. He's very powerful.

I just mean. Let me put this out. Like, Spencer, I'll just ask you directly. What is the purpose of overtime in any sport? To determine a winner. Correct. That's all it's for. We can fight about which form of overtime makes the most sense.

We can say, I hate the new college football over time. We can debate whether overtime is necessary at all. I am open to doing all of those things. But in watching the Cowboys and the Packards play to a 40-40 tie, it occurred to me that it's very funny that the NFL is, to my knowledge, the only major sport that has overtime, like there's some variance of soccer that probably sort of like maybe fall into this category

I'm not going to go all the way out on this limb, but certainly of the four major American sports that has overtime, but is also okay with it not serving its purpose once. Like it just doesn't make any fucking sense the more I said. Imagine if you watched an extra innings baseball game and they were like, sorry, we're only going to do 11 innings.

After that, it's a tie. I got three innings. I got to be at work in the morning. It was very funny to me, especially and in light of it being an eight. 80 point game, like that really, I think, highlighted the silliness of, um, of NFL overtime having an ending is like, you're going to let him do all that shit and not resolve it. You know, I could see if it's like three, three and you're like, okay, neither of you're going

to score. Let's call this thing. But like, somebody was about to score a touchdown. Let him go two more minutes. And the, it's not like the NFL doesn't care about overtime because they've done so much work over the past decade to be like, well, we got to change. like, you know, what happens if you get the ball? Where is it sudden death?

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's very important that Matt Ryan doesn't get the ball in the Super Bowl. Yes, yes. Like, it is a thing they have spent time and effort on, but they have still left in the fundamental, they've still, like, left in the fundamental purpose being incomplete, which is that you, over time is important because we have to settle the game unless we don't.

Then that's fine, too. We have to take one more bite at the apple, just exactly. League one, and not even a whole one. It's not 15 minutes. It's just a few. It's a nibble. What if a soccer game went to a shootout, four ended, four, each team made four, missed one.

And you were just like, well, I guess it's tied out. We did this, what we did all this? Agree to disagree. Like, what if Georgia, Georgia Tech last year, they've been like, well, you had five tries at it. We're just calling it a draw. Imagine trying to pry Brent Key off that field. And like, we won't know who wins this game. But the NFL is so powerful and successful that it doesn't matter that everyone's just like, cool.

Cool overtime you have that doesn't do the sole thing it's meant to exist. I mean, I get it in several ways, one being they have TV windows that are like, you know, the most valuable in the country that like, oh, if you have one game going until 5.30 somehow, you've just fucked up all sorts of things. And also like, it's going to look really bad if, oh, gosh, this team has 19 inches. injuries, you know, but nothing else about the NFL appears to be too concerned with injuries. So really, I think it's just the TV thing. And I am of the opinion that all overtimes are stupid. Like, there is no good way to resolve. Classically college football opinion.

Yes, like that all overtimes are stupid and that even the way that we solve things, which is essentially a penalty shootout, like we have the most, we have the most soccer-like ending to a football game available. Eventually, yes. By setting people up on short yardage. Especially, yeah, when you get to just do two-point conversions, yeah, it is pretty. Which is what we should start with, right? Well, it's funny because it's like the most direct version would be just kick field goals.

But I think we're so anti-kicker as a sport that we're like, we can't let those little whims decide the game. It's got to be big man smashing it down near the goal line. Which is why I have always proposed the penalty shootout with field goal kicks done by one kicker and four players who are not kickers. Great. So, and no tease and no holders. That's it. You've got to drop kick the ball from the 25, right?

And you've got to do five in a row. And you have to pick your guys. So you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, you got, yeah, you have to cross-train a selection of five guys on your team for overtime. I will also say, like, college football has, in some ways, the disadvantage of over sort of like the geologic history of the sport overtime is still relatively new and so the idea that we're figuring out what it should be

and how it should work like I get that the NFL has been doing this for fucking forever and they still left in the whoopsie can end in a tie part of it the last NFL like when was the last non-overtime tie let's see in the NFL it's I mean so so I know that the overtime started in 74 right the NFL which again like you're saying that's you've had time to figure it up 100% that is 20 years longer than college yes yes and they and they have still left in this like

key broken part which at the same time because they can't let that happen in a playoff game it's like but you have this you already you have the set of rules that won't let it end in a time you have the technology so it's Spencer in college football in in postseason games would you have ties then too if the semifinal goes to a tie or just what would we do about that? No, I mean we're going to listen

if the semifinal ends in a tie we settle it with my point kicker. That's when we bring in the lineman kicker. Yeah, okay. Yeah, this is so easy to me, right? Like that we would just get it over with and by the way, yeah, it's cartoonish but I have textual basis.

I am an originalist when it comes to football here, okay? because drop kicks used to be way more a part of the sport. They really did. I just said this. And Bill Belichick, if he hears this. And the one in three coach of the Tar Heels. They would love to get to overtime for the record. I think the two-point shootout is correct.

We're actually two and two. Two and three soon. I think that is football. That is core at its heart. If you want to have a tush-push contest, that is football. that is this football like when people talk about the two-point thing like oh it's a mini game no that's football that is pure distilled like you are solving a football game by reverting by stripping away everything that has been added to football and just doing a tadpole football

yeah um mostly it has made me realize that if we're going to live in the era of the super playoff I think we should bring back regular season ties because mostly because I want to see in the NFL a tie in the regular season is not that difficult because it's all math in terms of who makes the postseason and the tie impacts the math and it will like 100%

for at least one of those teams it's going to lead to like some super silly scenarios down the end of the street in the last like three weeks of the season where you know Vikings fair and it'll be like, well, if the Packers tie two more times, we can get the one. I think how it'll come into play is the Cowboys,

the blocked kick that got them two points that thus caused the tie, that will lead to them having to play a harder road playoff game that they will lose despite their 12 and 5 record. But what, okay, so like I want to use the 1992 Michigan Wolverines as an example here. This is a team that finished the year number five. in the AP and Coaches poll. They beat number nine Washington in the Rose Bowl,

and they were undefeated. But they had three ties to go with their nine wins. They tied number three Notre Dame on the road, 1717. At the end of the regular season, they tied Ohio State, again on the road in Columbus, 1313, and just for good measure, the week before that, at home, they tied Illinois, 22, 22, a six and five, a six, five, and one, Illinois. I just want to see the playoff committee have to sort of wrangle with, like, what do we do with tied teams, with teams with a bunch of ties, especially, like, Notre Dame finished that season

number four. Ohio State finished that season number 19, so they're probably on the outside looking in. but like I think it would be much more fun if we brought ties back and said yeah now you have to deal with that because part of it is it has eliminated what I think was the most interesting um or one of the most interesting strategic decisions in college football which is are you playing for the tie

knowing that that's all you get like we we saw that on big like Auburn has one of those on the big stage as well and I would love to see fans you know use like imagine the Oregon Penn State game if Penn State had to decide if James Franklin had to decide at the end of that game

there's no overtime am I taking the tie knowing what my record is against top opponents or am I going for the win and risking the loss at the same I think overtime has robbed us of that core experience frankly

Or if we do this example, this historical example, my personal favorite, the 1988 Sugar Bowl, where number four Syracuse is up 1613 and has a chance, a real chance at maybe getting some votes for an outside number one shot, right? Like that's a possibility for Syracuse at that point. And Pat Die and Auburn elect to kick the field goal and tie the bowl game, which means dick for the Tigers. and ruin everything for Syracuse, 16, 16. And this is what Syracuse's coach said afterwards. Dick McPherson. McPherson made note of the fact that Auburn didn't throw into the end zone once on the last drive.

They were just fooling around with other things, he said. His anger showing through. What the hell was Pat Dye thinking? Why the hell did they come here in the first place? Do you know what I would pay to watch someone short circuit that hard on national TV? I mean, since when does Auburn throw into the end zone? That's not your thing, man. That has never at any point in their eras been their thing.

I would most like ties brought back because it would make historical college football easier to talk about. Sure. It make it easier to compare teams across eras, you know? Because, like, you know, you talk about, oh, this team was brilliant. They were amazing. They went 11-0-1. and it's like wow that sounds like that sounds bad they had an oh one well no you know like if there had been overtime they probably would have won i looked up um there's a total side

thing giving two statements at once here the team with the most ties in at least division one history is 1879 stevens um who went one two and five they had four scoreless ties so you want to complain about Iowa Hawkeye football? No, man. Watch Stevens tie their own alumni twice. They brought back the old guys and nobody scored. And in the modern era, the tops, of course, is 1991 central Michigan, which had four ties in Mac competition alone. They went three, one, and four in Mac games. We've got to bring the shit back. Are you guys good? Not exactly. Are you bad? Not that either. The 1983 Oregon-Oregon State game famously called the Toilet Bowl. ended in a scoreless tie

and didn't have like overtime was not needed for that game you know you should be able to call it like I think at one point the reps needed to come in and be like both of your asses stank

we're done calling the fight for the health of the audience go home go home like yeah I mean that is a legendary memorable game

if we had forced it to keep going until it was two to nothing that would be less that would be not as good not better No, no. I think, yeah, I think we've gotten lost in, let's debate the format of overtime, and we need to embrace the beauty of the tie and all the, like, don't be afraid of complicated feelings. That's what the tie gives you. The tie, I understand that we like sports because they offer finality and winners and losers and very clear, like, positives, negatives. And the tie robs you of all of that. But it's time. And you're a strong enough. You are a grown-up enough person that you can embrace that level of complexity in sports.

And we need to have more opportunities for teams to just be absolutely furious. It's the tie for many teams will feel worse than just outright losing the game. Listen, as a referee, I'm walking out and being like, all right, everybody, we've reached the end of regulation. Congratulations. I'm consigning this match to a liminal space of indebted. definite emotion and vague feelings that you're all going to have to sit with and process over the course of the next week, month, and years. Like, imagine, imagine the meme of Frank Beamer, arms raised in triumph, as it says on the chirod below him, Virginia Tech Zero, Wake Forest Zero, end of regulation, and that's him just being like, we did it, we're done, we don't have anything left to do. And replace end of regulation with final.

Final. I mean, the tie as a way to communicate and convey nuance to a populace that as species that is, you know, bad at holding it in mind. I think pretty much every time I look at social media about that post that was, you know, from a few years ago, that was basically like, well, the answer is usually it depends. If we could have that in sports, which team was better? It depends. Cowboys or Packers? Guess we didn't find out. Going for the tie is the nastiest move you can pull on somebody.

100%. It is. It's putting them in the phantom zone. It's being like, do you like limbo? You better. Here you go. Your unredeemed soul caught forever. Do you like me?

Check maybe. But the flip side is, if you know that's the out, then going for it to win becomes even better. like when you when you when you now if you go if you try to win the game in regulation if you you know if you you're like fuck it I'm going to go for two at the end of the game rather than extend it the natural there is a natural sort of pushback which is to like well you could have extended the game and who knows in overtime we're all beautiful and strong and nothing bad will ever happen to us and you gave up that future but now if it's like you gave up you know rest out burger king in exchange for something greater for either either toilet or

actual burger king or actual burger king it's like so now if if the choices do you go for it on two or or just uh overtime it's a math question yes this is your chance of of winning in overtime based on what your team is good at this is your chance of hit blah blah blah blah yes the question of whether to go for a win or not. That's fuck math. That's a question of art and valor and spirit. That's like Tom Osborne, this is always the go-to.

Waited another 11 years for his first title after having a chance to just accept one. In 1983, decided, no, we're going to do the gallant thing. Some would say foolish, but nevertheless, the human soul craved victory. Yep. Like, fuck numbers.

We ball. I love one thing though about overtime and it's this I've never felt so seen by just a comment from a random celebrity as when John Malini on the original run of everybody's in LA said and at the end of this week will be the best thing in the world done being done he's like what do you enjoy things he's like I like being done that's my favorite thing about overtime you're like what are we doing done go for two I have got to be honest half the time I'm rooting for

for done, not because I want things to be, not because I want that experience to be over, because I'm like, oh, it'll be done. Man, being done's great. I wish this game would good to just get done. And also, what I like about this is it is very easy to, again, we'll use Penn State Oregon as an example. It's very easy to sort of like put a game to, okay, this thing is what, drowler throws the interception and that's what lost the game.

football is much more complicated than that you can sort of say but I'm with if we're going now if it's the literal last play I'm fine with us saying that that's the one that decided it that is that's the end of the book I'm good with it I'm totally good with us doing that

it's narratively satisfying the play that clinched the tie yes I always remember about Drew Aller tie clinching Drew Aller which might It might have been better than the actual result, so point made. Much better.

Oh, my God. And last but not least, this would be a huge win for Michael Felder. You kidding me? We don't have overtime anymore. It just ends in a tie. And also imagine people who like their James Franklin stats being able to say, well, he didn't lose, but he still hasn't beaten the top blah, blah, blah, blah. And you get to redo all the stats again.

And you deserve all of them. Holy shit, he would have been the clubhouse leader in draws. Also, think of the graphics. Like, 9-0 and 3, Michigan in 1992 gets to print the undefeated T-shirt. It doesn't matter that. Hopefield, are you listening? We need it. Yeah.

You can go, you can go 2-2 and 8. It's fine. You're undefeated. Lost two games. Yeah. That's pretty good. You only lost two games. Yeah, yeah.

Look at that. Best season at school history. When some... Starry, Math, undefeated. O, O and 12. Undefeated. The joy of watching some overly agro coach immediately try to avoid a tie at all costs would also be delightful. I love that.

Someone who's like, no, a tie is socialism. I ain't split the game. These damn liberals ain't taking this loss for me. I'm going for it on fourth and twelve from our own two. Because fuck a tie. Like, like, how on earth does Will Mustchamp process a tie? It's just nod in his head.

Listen, he would love 0-0. Not a 40-40 tie, no, 40-40 ties fucking, well, pretty bad. 40-40, that means both teams fucked up. Now, zero, zero, that's beautiful. Perfection. In Will Must-Champ's mind, the scoreboard starts beautiful and then just gets ruined throughout the day. No, stop it. Why the big numbers keep showing up.

I hate them. I hate math. This isn't tennis. Keep your 40s over there. Stop! Stop it. Put them back. Put the beautiful round number back. Yelling in his offense like their kids in a store.

You behave. Get back here. Don't go that way. That makes number get big. Welcome Welcome Welcome shutdown fullcast you are listening to the internet's only college football podcast i am spencer hall

i am joined today by ryan annie jason holly anderson and michael server on the ones and twos um it feels like a month of stuff has happened in the last week and i'd want one thing to um one i want to mention one thing before we get too much further down the road and it's this a friend of the podcast um has been fired and we want to go ahead and wish him the best Todd Grantham at Oklahoma State that one yeah Todd Grantham four games four games he coached it's still water dude it's so weird they fire Mike Gundy on a Tuesday did they kind of like hold on to Grantham and I don't like did they forget he was in the

building did they were they walking around and they're like bull look I'm still here I know I know it's not, I know it's not podcast business time, but Godfrey and I talked about this on a Phantom Island bonus episode, uh, that came out on Monday. And I like his theory that Doug Mietam was like, fuck this guy. Now that I can, I'm gonna. What, what if Grantham was like sneaking Gundy back in? Like, oh, no, you, you still coach, check it out. Come on. Come on. Bobby, Bobby Bondine style. He's like wheeling, he's wheeling in a, like a buffet table. of things with a curtain dragging the ground like there's nothing under here guys don't worry

god grantham why do you have a gurney on the sideline don't worry it's for me it's personal that's clearly two mike gundy's in a long coat i wonder if this is just they're going to can one guy per week like it's survivor or something that's fun and by the end of the year it's just like we got a linebacker's coach just a GA running everything

like what if what if he left a sandwich in the fridge and that's why he's like i gotta stay the building that long I got to get to the sandwich. What do you think would be more satisfying if you worked with Todd Grantham and you hated him? Do you think it would be more fun to fire him or just every week in the press conference be like, well, Todd's defense fucking sucked again. Which you can do when you're the interim coach.

I've never even met that month. If you're an offensive coach, it gets the interim job. Whoever the asshole is who runs the defense. Well, Todd shit his pants in public once again. only so much we can do is an offense when Todd's defense and I would call it Todd's defense the whole I wouldn't say our defense I wouldn't say that side of the ball I would call it Todd's defense the same way when you're a parent when you're like do you know what your child did at school today like technically it's mine too but it's your child

for purpose of this Todd's children gave up 45 points to Baylor I I adore this resume line because it adds to it adds another headstone to the graveyard of Todd Grantham is it his own you'll get fired if you hire Todd Grantham so it is past iterations

of Todd Grantham each time he's fired he dies and yet his soul responds in a new body that looks like his but older Dad Stranding Todd Grantham edition if you sit there and you look at his tenure everybody he's coaching it's always the death throws of their administration he's there

when uh so going back all right so gundy gets fired when he's his defensive coordinator right um going back to florida mullin gets fired when grantham is around as his defensive coordinator um louisville this is not louisville part one with petrino this is the bad louisville with petrino part two uh the sequel that did not work out quite as well Um, and he's, he's, he's hanging around late, uh, late Mark Richt as well. He doesn't exit with Mark Rick, but I'm going to go ahead and chalk that one up for him to. I mean, the Saints regime he joined was, um, quite doomed. Like, yeah, looking through his whole, uh, I mean, shit, he was with the Brown say no more.

I don't even need the local was going on at the time, but yeah, yeah, they're on something here. He got fired. He got fired after his defense was 30th in total yards among 32 teams. And yet, and yet, some of the most successful prestigious football programs in the nation and also Florida hired him. I would say Todd Grantsom's agent hates him. He's like, I got a great gig for you. It's real stable. Yeah, all right, cool.

I'm going to blitz eight. Every play. Every play. I got you a job at Oklahoma State. The coach went like two in ten or whatever last year. It'll be great. And, like, you know, he doesn't care about NIL or anything like that. He's just going to take the same team that went three and nine or whatever and just fucking run it back.

Coach him up. Just coach him up. Just coach him real hard. That's your job. That's where you come in. You're going to fix this. Yeah. So congratulations to Todd Grant them on his fun employment.

I'm sure he'll turn up at Ohio State or another top five team shortly. And then they will be out of the top five. So who's currently? So the new, let's actually, speaking of, we have a, should we go ahead and do this? Yeah. Speaking of coaching changes, Ryan has accrued his second with his fourth round selection of Sam Pittman. Sam Pittman is additionally the fourth coach fired, meaning Ryan is on the board twice, also had Brent Pry. Currently tied with Cerber for the overall lead.

Serber had Deshawn Foster, who was first by 30 minutes. those two picks of Ryan's will become very, very valuable as our competition continues, as our hot seat draft continues, because each additional coach will add a point onto those. So I would say Ryan is currently the favorite, even though he's merely tied with server. And again, we're parsing the nuance between tie and a potential future that is not a tie. I am mostly excited to see when I kind of assumed Holly was going to get on the board with the field. pretty quick here but the field is being stubborn in ways that i did not expect i think holly's going to make up a lot of ground near the end like because there's a lot of things that really can't be

foreseen a month or two in advance and like that's it could be like a whole whole bunch of surprises all at once i think i think the betting on the field is betting on um publicly intoxicated at booster luncheon that's really what we're doing which counts we're betting i don't know man You see the Secretary of War? I think you can get away with that these days. I don't think that's horrible anymore. Paul Feinbaum told me I got to join the Senate campaign. I'm out of here.

I am a serious person. Now over to legend. I can admit I don't want to know anybody personally, like who's a senator. I just don't want that in my life. Like, no one in my phone should be a senator. Right? I didn't say emperor. I know several people who have to pick one part of Jane.

Should Jane be a senator? No, absolutely not. No, sir. You want a Bengals fan to be senator? Come on. She knows a lot about war, probably more than, well, sir, not even probably. She knows more than the Secretary of War about war. Do I want her to be the Secretary of State?

Yes. Who in your phone would you be most comfortable with? You don't have to look. Just sort of like give me a ballpark. Who do you have in your phone that you'd be like, Were this person to serve, let's just say one term, one six-year term in the U.S. Senate, you'd be like, okay, I think that'd be fine. As a senator. Yeah, as a senator.

To be clear. None of that house bullshit. You can just escape. That's not a real job. Okay, because the answer for installing an authoritarian rule based on someone in my phone. Yeah. It doesn't have to be authoritarian. Yeah.

I know. I would install Holly as the authoritarian leader. I don't think she wants that I don't I don't think she likes that Senator though You know what I make Matt Brown my senator I think Matt Brown would make a fine senator Interesting

As long as the kids get the phone From time to time To issue proclamations And scold Spencer for cussing Yeah that's an interesting way of you apologizing You fucking monster Language Language server

Now are you not listening now She has a responsible parent. Now, this is important because it tells me what you think about Matt. Are you making Matt a senator from Illinois or from Ohio? Oh, I'd make him a senator from Illinois. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, Illinois, Ohio might make more sense electorally if I can just appoint it, right? But let's be realistic, Illinois. I think his constituency experience will be better. Yeah. If he's the senator for Illinois. This sounds much more pleasant for me. Yeah. I don't want to put Matt through the multiple cyclical.

of steroids and like all the things he's going to need to be a viable hold on now now I am wait a sec we're going super soldier program yeah we're going super soldier program mecca Matt Brown is the news that do you want to win Ohio or do you want to win Ohio this ain't your dad senator weapon X Sunday Sunday Sunday yeah that's that's where I sort of see that's where I see Matt landing in Ohio so let's just make it a little bit easier get him elected in Illinois. So I would say in my phone, yeah, Matt Brown. I think, I think Matt would hate being a senator, truthfully. Oh, yeah. No one would enjoy being a good thing that you've done. I, I, bad people would enjoy being senator. That's the problem. Okay. I got to find some,

I got to find some bad people in my phone. There isn't. I was going to say, you definitely have bad people. This is Ryan's devious game. Call someone from your phone bad enough to want to be senator. Are you bad enough man to serve the president? I could just put my I could just put my sister in there and people ask her question and she'd be like pass down to your business

that's fine I got things to do bye that's leadership I think yeah she just get the hell out who is the Alabama figure that is somehow being left out

like if we're sort of like maybe Paul Fine Mom maybe A.G. McCarran I feel like there's somebody in Alabama who's like oh man what about me the yellow fella Senator Yellah A fella.

Is he alive? I believe he is. Yeah. Taylor Hicks. Yeah. American Idol star Taylor Hicks. Mm-hmm. He's like, nobody asked me to be Senator.

Oh. Oh. Mike Shula. Mike Shula. Hey, listen. Mike Shula has decent hair. Yeah. Good genes.

He knows how to not say anything in a press conference. Yep. Talk about them in like horse terms. as their reactability. He's got a good shine to him. Sure. Trot him out. Mike Shula's more hands long than you'd think.

Listen, his kick down the backstretch, incredible. He can walk. Send him on up. Yep. Oh, Mike Shillow broke his leg. Oh, shit. Mike Price. Next.

Like, the number of people when you go, well, who is from Alabama, who could conceivably, like, play senator. I mean... Play, Senator. Pretty much, yeah. I think that's fair. That's the Tuberville standard. Don't you mean B because it's a job?

No, it's not a job. Come on, bitch. Channing Tatum, there. Let's get changed from Colman. That's a great choice. How many of your senators could do this? Whip shirt off. Starts dancing.

He could do that. Hey, I would remind you, born in Birmingham, Alabama, Walton Goggins. Sure. Yeah. Senator Roy Wood. Fuck it. Senator Roy Wood.

It's not a bad plan. It's not. Like. As in, I've heard far worse. Yeah, right. I've heard much worse. Yeah.

These are all viable options. Octavia Butler. I'm sorry. Octavia Spencer is from, is from Alabama. I vote for her. Hell. See, this is easier than I thought. Got it done.

That's before. That's before we. even mentioned Charles Barkley. You too short to be a senator. Bo Jackson. Who wouldn't vote for Bo Jackson? We got something in common. We're both bald.

I just look handsome. Yeah. Sam Pittman also fired at Arkansas as we have now scored it up. Very quickly. Will this make any difference in the way Arkansas looks now that our boy Bobby P's back in the saddle. Yes, I think so, because he also fired the whole defensive staff once he ascended back to the throne. They had one.

Well, I mean, it's better to have one than to not have one. So, like, whoever his emergency hires are on defense ahead of, like, a really hard final seven games to the schedule, it could get a lot worse, is my point. So, yeah, I think it'll change things. Have you seen a defense worse than the one that you saw against Notre Dame? Because I have not this year. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I have not.

That was the worst that I've seen. That was bad, but much worse as possible. Much worse as possible. Seen, I guess is what I'm asking. That's the worst shit I've seen this year. Like, on some of those Jeremiah Love runs, they were like high-fiving him. Yeah. We're talking about the difference between me saying the previous Arkansas defensive coaches were doing great at their job

and me saying there was someone doing the job. so someone was there someone was attempting i also wonder if so sam pitman by all accounts was well liked i think at arkansas but also in the broader coaching community like i think he was like people like this guy bobby petrino is not i'm kind of curious if down the stretch i'm kind curious if down the stretch teams start teams that have Arkansas on the schedule obviously they want to beat Arkansas because you know it's a more for most of them it's a game you should win it's a dub yeah but like I do wonder if coaches are going to be like oh I hate that man I want to put 20 extra points on them because I don't like Bobby Petrino there's that and there's also like do we really want that asshole around here you know because these are all SEC opponents though they might think like well we could recruit against him so let's ease off just a little bit the the matchup I most want now is Oregon Arkansas I want Dan Lanning to take personal offense to Bobby Petrino's existence and just mash the gas for 60 minutes I want to see what that final score would look at

you're not satisfied that we get Auburn at Arkansas in about a month that will be a beautiful contest that deserves much remembrance something's got to give what a thrilling beautiful competition just just so Hugh versus Bobby maybe Hugh let's see let's see by the time we get there programs currently yeah what yeah as of now just to run through the Arkansas schedule at Tennessee L A&M at home well it's A&M yeah probably an L Auburn who knows what that team is at that point Mississippi State at home Mississippi States a lot better. At LSU, probably an L. At Texas, probably an L. Missouri at home. I mean, by

then, Bobby is, he's like four jobs away by then. You know what I mean? Like, he's in the CFL. I'm not, I'm not saying this because I hope it happens because it would be good for Bobby's chances. But if Bobby Petrinos, Arkansas were to beat LSU, I would be interested in the reaction that that would create. I think this is similar to the Auburn scenario where it's like, gosh, those are two really unlikable coaches. Yes. Yes. Okay.

Well, and the difference is like... You have to pick one. Make your case now. Go. Which one I... Oh, I'll pick LSU because I know that... I know that Brian Kelly can't cope. Brian Kelly can't deal with it publicly.

And Hugh Freeze is a little better at that. Like, Hugh Freeze will say some sort of sideways shit about like the side of the ball that was disappointing or Jackson Arnold's got to be better at this. that and the like i'm not saying he can't do it but he will at least be more calm about it where brian kelly will just mother fuck his whole team especially if they lost to arkansas to headless arkansas also lSU came in with a lot more expectations than Auburn like Auburn wants to wants to take a step forward this year but lSU was like they could win the SEC this year they have this quarterback coming back they beat clumset they won their

They won their week one opener on the road against Clemson. That probably means a lot. Well, maybe not so much anymore. Yeah, I think it's just a better gut punch. If I'm just looking for someone's going to have a big tantrum as a result, I'm definitely picking Arkansas beats LSU. Yeah, if that's the criteria. Yeah.

Yeah. I would definitely want Arkansas to beat LSU there because, God damn. Brian Kelly, I want Brian Kelly to continue. this amazing trend of being the person who's just good enough not to fire. Now, I'll give you the case for Arkansas Auburn if you want it. Yeah, go ahead. I think Arkansas beats Auburn. Auburn's got a pretty good defense this year.

Offenses let them down. Defense overall has been good. If Arkansas beats Auburn and does so by like, boy, Bobby Pee really cooked up some plays here, I think there's a portion of the Auburn money that would be like, that's the guy we've got to hire. Oh, God. what a constant Christian Bobby Petrino he's listen man he's over 60 at this point

if you're looking at him and you're like have you turned your life over to the Lord everything that comes out of his mouth is a fucking lie it's an absolute lie yeah I have seen the line I decided to surrender control of my heart I like the Arkansas LSU game because it's in between road trip to Alabama and road trip to Oklahoma. So if you blow the guinea in between those, it's rough, brother. It's rough. It's all bad. It's all bad for them. But watching the spiraling degree of this badness has just been, whew, it's something. It's something. I guess the rumor is that, you know, they're looking at Rett Lashley at SMU, which had me thinking, like, Like, do you, I wouldn't give up that.

Like, the SMU job is, it's pretty cush. Like, that's a pretty, that's a pretty cozy job. Yeah, I mean, it's a tough one. Like, do you want to go from having a viable chance to win your conference, however many times for the next decade, to never winning your conference? Like, you know, maybe you get a raise and you bring in better players, who gives a shit? You've got to face better players. And, yeah, he's a former Arkansas players from Arkansas. He's a Gus Malzahn player in high school.

I, you know, it's not like they're serious reporting on this, but I love the scenario of like Rett Lashley brings in Gus as his O.C. at Arkansas, Gus finally gets to Arkansas. That'd be cute. That'd be great, you know. Would I take this job? Hell no. It's better to win than lose.

I want to push back on, like, why is this a Cush job? Like, I understand Ret Lashley has done well there, but before then. It's not Arkansas. It's not Arkansas. That's fine. A relative judgment. A relative judgment. If you look before Rhett Lashley shows up, Sunny Dikes gets one 10-win season in 2019.

And before that, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling, 1984. And I understand a lot of things happen in the dream there. But that's still a lot of modern SMU history where the ceiling for the program was like, let's say, seven or eight wins, which is not to say it's a bad job, but it doesn't strike me necessarily especially, I feel like I'm not sold

on the idea of like, you can go there and just cook. You're in the same state as Texas and Texas A&M and Texas Tech who's now throwing a shitload of money around. I don't know. I feel like we're overreacting a little to

two very good years at SMU that don't necessarily like it doesn't feel sustainable to me in a guaranteed way i guess i would say everything is in the light of comparing it to arkansas okay that's fair yeah that's fair you is now uh ohio state we're talking about smu is i mean folks subscribe to our patreon for two hours of information on all the reasons you should not take the arkansas coaching job like to me s of you is a great gig people love throwing money at players who um who and now it's legal which was part of the reason for SMU's absence since 1984.

But, yeah, like, in terms of, I mean, he's perfect for that job at SMU. And, like, yeah, there's probably a much bigger job in Texas that might want him at some point. That is not Arkansas. Okay. I mean, I don't know. Like, I am coming this from a position of cowardice, which is that I don't want to. You're settling for the tie. Yeah, I don't want to take a job that is probably going to win, you know,

four, five, six, seven games is like, that's probably where you're going to average out. Who is the last Arkansas coach that you can say, like, yeah, it all worked out. It all worked out for that guy. That's a hard game to play, right? No, I have an answer. Okay. Okay, relative to, like, how short coaching careers can be. Sure.

How short coaching stints can be. Okay. The last person who was 100% successful there over a long period of time was Houston nut. No, no, no, no. That's not my question, though. No, no. My question is, a peaceful departure? Who is the last person that you can say, like, yeah, the book, like, what, a storybook?

Houston Nutt did not get that by any means. You got an ending. There is not one. Okay. No. I mean, but I think that's true. Broil's was, you know, just decades of like, oh, God, when is this old guy going to, you know, stop, stop hassling us? Right.

And, like, then Lou Holtz was certainly not. Like, there's various, like, leaving to Clemson. and losing to Citadel's like no this don't go there don't take this job no one should take this job Ken Hatfield went 55, 17 and one and was still like bucket I'm going to Clemson right yeah yeah but you know honestly the Danny Ford era

the Danny Ford era did not have a ton of wins but like it didn't end in spectacular embarrassment there are not there are not though this is I don't want to single out poor Arkansas for this there are not many jobs when you get a happy ending No, no, no, no, no. Their jobs were like, yeah, he was there for five years and it went, eh, and then he left.

You're also, I think that's wrong. I think you can name lots of jobs where not everyone gets a happy ending, but you can throw out most jobs and you can identify at least one coach in the last 50 years who've been like, yeah, like Stanford's a hard fucking job. Jim Harbaugh had a happy ending at Stanford. You can say, like, Jim Harbaugh had a successful stretch at Stanford. Well, no question. Here at Arkansas, we're going to have both. successful stretch and a happy ending. I missed him.

He's back. I really did. The scoundrel is back. Like, I agree you can't do it forever. Like, I can't do this for NC State. That's for damn shit. Because no one ever leaves. That's a damn, yeah.

There can't be, there can be a happy ending if there's never an ending. Yeah, but like. Once you get that job, cling to it. I mean, shit. Until he took the job back, I could have said like, yep, Scott Frost had, uh, uh, you I can come. with multiple coaches at UCF who have had like a happy ending at UCF but like there there is a getting fired in a non debacle way just like yeah it wasn't working out I mean you know

honestly you could say Bilema was just sort of like yeah it was pretty good for a while and it and then it ran out you know that wasn't necessarily debacle so he might actually be my answer to Arkansas like based on Arkansas you can have the Brett Bilema exactly that's the best you can hope for but the Brett Bilema thing is also colored by the fact of like in retrospect understanding that money was different and resources was different. I think the

answer was probably he should have stayed at Wisconsin and Wisconsin should have just come up with more money. I mean honestly yes. My answer to who had it best at Arkansas in the past 50 years was the guy who never should have gone there and immediately went back to the Big Ten West from which he came.

I'm going to go back to my big people. Big people over here. Yes. Yes. And he's doing great. He's thriving back where he belongs, which is not Arkansas. So, I mean, y'all got to hire someone. Welcome to breakfast, USC. You're going to throw up in three hours.

I realize you were playing at 2 a.m. I don't care. That was really the approach that they had in that game, by the way, was Illinois was just like, more beef. More beef. Are you full? Are you getting sick? How about a little more beef?

You look sad. Eat some beef. Have some mimosas. I mean beer, but we call them mimosas. Portion's a little strong for you. Sorry about that. You look a little skinny. Yeah, got to fatten you up.

Oh, boy, he's puking again. That's how you win 3432. Stomach's empty. That means you need more beef. Oh, jeez, you must be real hungry. Yeah, you just puked. There's no food in your stomach. What is that some kind of West Coast diet?

Yeah. Marjorie. Bring in more casserole. Death by casserole. It is. I will say, the fact that we're even at a point where we have to seriously say, is it better to stay at SMU or take the Arkansas job, says a lot about what's happened to these two programs over the last decade.

I also like that you can stay in Dallas and avoid Jerry Jones. You know what I mean? 100%. 100%. That's funny math. Also, like, I don't know what your family situation is at a coach. But if you're one of those coaches, just like, I want to send my kids to one of those private Dallas high schools that teaches people

that dinosaurs were Antifa. and that's why God killed them. You can do that too, right? Alice has tons of those. There's like coach brain things I don't understand. That's one of them. Another one is the siren call of Clemson above all other schools, right? Like I can think of things that I would go to Clemson for if I were a coach,

and I could think of a lot of reasons I wouldn't. But man, when Clemson calls, coaches are like, I'd love to be in upstate South Carolina. Like, it's a particular niche to me. And for a lot of coaches, they're like, oh, hell yeah. for like a long time that was the thing it probably be the case now right oh the multiple coaches who left over the years for clemson and then like coaches just don't leave clemson no they just hang out there's just something about clemson that is just a coach nexus right it's just

some sort of attractive it's just it's the lake it's not complicated it's the lake they got these are 40 you know anywhere from 40 to 55 you know 60 year old men who more than likely are coming from a situation where they've moved around a bunch. They haven't settled down, you know, very much. They haven't had things like boats. All of a sudden they get the only real estate that like is kind of in their market for what they want unless they're going to live way below their means is lakefront property with a boat with a deeded boat slip.

And they all get boats and they just like they watch film and they drink beer on boats with football players who also drink beer on boats. And they're like, oh, this ain't so bad. And also they pay me $2.5 million. Yeah. Yeah, they're sitting there like, oh, I don't know. That fourth loss is pretty rough, but we did just buy a wakeboard, so it would be a shame not to do it. Hey, listen, the triple option failed me this week, but Evan Rood never does.

It would be disrespectful to the effort our young men put in for us. Oh, man. For us not to take out the jet skis. You know where you can't be bothered? Out there. That's it. Where is he? He's out there.

Well, can you walk over and get him? No, he's on the boat. We'll have to get in a boat We're going to have to holler But he won't hear us Over his boat He's an amphibian now Get it's not of our world

To coach the team And then it's right back out Every coach is like dumb Odysseus They're like how are you going to get away I'm going to get on the boat You can't touch me there No one can bother me Gonna go talk to the Cillode in Corribus

Rather than deal with this shit I've seen this real big fella had one eyeball But I'm like son we got to son listen i like you i like you because you got focus i like you don't get distracted there's a there's a he's got that tunnel vision i like there's a real unique thing in the upstate it's not a unique thing in the upstate south carolina but for the where being a big relatively large university in that area is like even if you're not the late guy you can also kind of live not necessarily

anonymously in the small towns around but like they're going to see you one time and they're like oh it's you but then they're going to continue to see you every time and it's not going to be oh it's you every time in the same way that it is in maybe some college towns where there's a bigger population and like it is kind of tough to be like the very uh obvious member of the staff that someone wants to go talk to about things like um i think the small town thing might be a little bit of a and like it's two or two and a half million dollars they spend a lot of money on these people. That's like they pay them head coach prices so that the only people that can take you are like Oklahoma when they come and call or an SMU in Chad Morris's case. We threw a ton of

money at him. Spencer, um, another guy who shouldn't have gone to Arkansas. Exactly. I think Arkansas would agree with that. Spencer, not that this has been compared in any way, but because they're open. Would you rather have the Arkansas job or the UCLA job? brother uh that's that's that's tough that's tough um i'm gonna go out i'm gonna go out big there's no gonna be no whimper i'm going to arkansas and and i'm gonna you know what i'm gonna cut some promos right like we might be two and seven i'm gonna cut i'm gonna do what d'art mason did at vanderbilt where he's like i'm made for this shit three wins yeah

like handcrafted for this job like i am 100% I'm gonna be like I'm going to be like I'm going to be like Houston nut on ketamine the whole time and it's going to be amazing. What about you? Would you rather take the Arkansas or UCLA job? It depends on if I want another job after that, frankly. I absolutely don't. If I don't, I'm taking the... Disappear into the woods of Arkansas.

No, I'm taking the UCLA job. If I don't want a job out, if I don't want a head coaching job after that. Coach left by foot. Somewhere in the trees. I just picked up, picked up my Osprey backpack, it's the hip belt on. I like, I like imagine Sam Pittman covering his face with mud like he's evading the predator. Slipping into the, a man, a man that big slipping into the woods.

Come on! He's so evasive. Kill me! In that case, I mean, I'd rather have the Arkansas job, even though I just said no one should take it. Because, like, at least people will be aware you're doing it, you know? Like, that's the part I don't want. my last kick i don't i don't i don't want from that regard yeah i want i want i want to just fly under the radar completely just take three and nine give me my check and i'm going to yeah i'm just

yeah listen the things i'm going to the shit i'm going to talk with no hope of winning is going to be amazing yeah yeah yeah coach's show coach's show is going to be must see tv every single week when i'm there plus like if i coach arkansas and i like get out to a three and oh start there's a chance that, like, people are going to be like, oh, Arkansas. Look at, oh, look at, maybe the game day should go to Arkansas, oh. UCLA's net, like, do you know what it would take

for UCLA to get any kind of, like, pop at this point? I got to go, I got to go 8-0 to get any kind of attention. Yeah. As head coached in UCLA. And everyone was like, fuck, this guy sucks. No one even noticed.

Falcons trash. Even Jim War was like that. Remember Jim War was like, yeah, that YouTube. Gig's great. Thought about taking that one. I accidentally took the other one. Yeah. Hey, guys, hold on just one second. I drank way too much before I got on air.

When I drank to pee or I am going to have an episode on air. Leave it in. Leave it in, Cerber. Bathroom business. Business and business. Prasne business. We could get started on that. Cover some, cover some ground. Sure. Let's do it. Server, do you want to say? Yeah.

Podcast business. It's a business. Spencer's pissing. That's why he's not singing this time. It's just me and it's the song this time. And he's peeing in the toilet and he's not right. You're going to start business time now. Jason, why aren't you start his office and podcast business?

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More things, more things. Spencer will rob you. Spencer will show up at your door with hand out. Yeah. Come on in. I brought four things, bro. You'll be eight, eight quid. I will print out blog posts, take them to your house.

leave a newsletter there and then you'll give me $5,000. Or else. Or else I'll stay. And he's hungry. So hungry. Mighty fine pile of posts I've laid here. I quit my job.

If someone didn't read him. I quit my job at Arkansas, walked on foot to your house with blog posts and left them there. Didn't get a buyout. So got to make money. Somebody's going to pay me for something. Yeah.

channel dash 6.ghost.io subscribe and thrive next is it time to talk about our south carolina sojourn i think so who wants to do that spencer what do you know about what i'm saying what do you think will happen um well we are going to be doing a show okay that's correct keep going? Yes. Let's see if we can add to that. In Myrtle Beach, uh,

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. You almost said California, but I appreciate that you pulled out of that spin. Great. No, no. We, like, I,

I am actually so uncomfortable conveying accurate information. That's why I'm making you do it. Oh, this is the worst. It's good. It's good tape. Absolutely the worst. You're doing great.

I'm opening notes. That's how much I don't want to fuck this up. You're doing awesome. Everything you said so far is right. No, don't make me do this. No,

I'm 100% going to make you do it. No. Yeah. Come on. If I do, I'm going to read it straight off this fucking thing. That's fine. Yeah. Why would I be mad about you reading the information accurately?

Why would that frustrate me? This is as close as I've come to having an anxiety attack. You can do this. You're doing really great. I'm going to help you a little bit. It's the home. Please. This is hard.

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What alcoholic beverage company is? Modelo! Yeah. You did it. This is going perfect. It was within you all along. The magic feather was never real. Dungo, you were a beautiful elephant thorn.

whole time. Perfectly. Nailed it. I am a racist crow for some reason. Which college football program will be nearest us at that time? Coastal Carolina. Oh my God, he's fucking crushing it. Who are they playing Marshall? They're playing Marshall.

Look at this. He's fucking walking encyclopedia. Yeah. Yeah. And are we going to have a good time? We're going to have a fucking great time. Unlike the last five minutes, which have been horrible. To be clear, it's been three minutes and 30. 30% of it. Counting.

Has this been the longest ad read of your life? Jesus Christ. I'm just curious if I think what would be this is me just producing for a moment. I sometimes do that.

Maybe somewhat like Spencer, great job. Part of my producing at this moment. Great job, Spencer. Other part. Somebody, maybe Ryan, I'm just going to suggest Ryan. Maybe like sum up

what Spencer has said in the past four minutes in 10 to 15 sure uh the shutdown forecast will be doing a live show on wednesday october 29th i am double checking that that's when it actually is c spencer i'm not perfect either it is once a october 29th in myrtle beach south carolina uh it is presented by homefield um we because i think we are still nailing down some of the exact deal the details excuse me about timing and tickets and all of that. Watch this space, but tickets will be on sale very soon for you. We would love to see you. We are planning some fun things that will happen there in person. And as is the case with every shutdown full cast live show, this is the only

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I think we're going to keep Spencer's, I think. We can cut it off right. Gotcha. Great. Once again, nice work. Oh, God. Great. Tickets are going on sale next week. Okay, great. And we will let you know ASAP, folks. Yes, Homefield is also

the sponsor of this show. And it's normal non-live capacity that only makes Spencer normally anxious and wants to kill me in a regular level of voice. But Spencer, what if I could give you something warm and comfortable to soothe your furious soul? I would love that right now, Ryan. Would you like a comfortable sweatshirt, perhaps? I'll take three. I can get you three. I could get you way more than three, and I could get them all.

Hopefieldapparel.com. What school would you like your sweatshirt to come from, Spencer? I love the University of Florida. Okay. Well, I don't think that's going to lower your anxiety levels, but I can indeed get you a University of Florida sweatshirt. Let's see how many of them are available. Please hold.

We're looking in real time. Devin, seven different hoodies are available for you. You can get the old circular UF hoodie, which has a giant gator. standing astride the top of the state of Florida, it basically hypothesizes that what if the United States had an alligator that was the size of Georgia and South Carolina and its tail was stuck in the ocean?

That's possible. You can get the fighting gators hoodie, which is, of course, the anthropomorphic-ish Florida Gator with crazy eyes and fistballed ready to fight for no reason. There are other occupieres. as well here, but those are the two that I would probably go with if you want to be the most Florida. Does that seem right? Yeah, that seems correct.

The one that's just mad at existence. That's definitely where I want. If you don't want a hoodie and you want a crew neck instead, great news. We have those options as well. Again, circular Florida is here. I have the script gaiters, the black crew neck that has the blue script gaiters on it, which is just like a classic look and doesn't have a mean alligator looking to fight you. So sometimes that's not the energy

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idiot not you it can be me too it's okay not today we wanted to go ahead and before we're recording now

it is September 30th by the time you're hearing. This will be October. But we want to recognize something that we, from time to time, like to joke about what we will take very seriously because September is a great month for some teams. For some teams, it's the best month of the year. It's as good as they're going to get. Traditionally, the kings of September,

across all conferences, leagues, tears of the sport, has been the Maryland Terrapins. Yes, the Maryland Terrapins, fond of running out to 4-0, sometimes 5 and O depending on the schedule, undefeated for the month of September. What happens after that? Never you mind. We'll disregard what happens after that.

September is as good as it gets for some teams, and we think we need to go ahead and recognize that. So I wanted to go ahead and for this week, review the September Maryland Awards, which, yes, could go to September Maryland. But really, it's just a summary of everybody and everything that we think has been superb about the month of September. Are these the same awards, plaudits, and laurels that we will hand out

later in the season? Who cares? Maybe, maybe not. Chances are not. But if you had a heater this month, we want to go ahead and recognize that in full. The official September Maryland team.

I wanted to look at teams that you go, hey, it could include Maryland, but teams that we go you've had an incredible september and my one of my suggestions here will be the north texas mean green that is correct um i've got my boys up and coaching uh coach you should have recused yourself from that one coach disagree you got to be your own best cheerleader uh averaging uh like 224 points overall scored across five games you're lighten that thing up all right uh five and no including some

exciting wins down the stretch coming up to south florida which as we all know the standard bearer somebody else who had a decent september not a great september uh but yes wins against washington state army western michigan we kicked the shit out of that guy lamar fifty one zero anytime north texas is five and no i got to consider him for the september heisman also eligible as we said uh i'm going to go iowa state because if we as we've seen with kansas state It's kind of hard to go over to Ireland, evidently. Not everyone recovers from the long trip across the pod to Ireland. And Iowa somehow still 5 and O and Vernon as of September.

So getting five wins before the month is out. Congratulations to them. Maryland, 4 and 0 out of September. a classic September of Maryland for September Maryland. Who'd they beat Wisconsin? Which version of Wisconsin?

Yeah. Which version of Wisconsin? Doesn't matter. It is a little fucked up that Maryland went into Camp Randall, beat Wisconsin by 17, and the polls were like, nope, not ranked. It says a lot about Wisconsin at this point in time.

I approached the question of September, Maryland, by just asking the spreadsheet. So in FPI, the undefeated team that has the lowest projected win total is none other than Maryland. Currently, 4-0, projected 4, 7, and 5. And I absolutely adore that the team that, I went back and looked at this in the newsletter as of yesterday, the team that in 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018 established the September Maryland meme that that team is currently mathematically the favorite to be the team that is like

oh wow, yeah, remember when they were four and oh, geez, what happened? Which to me is sort of the hallmark of the September Maryland. But that is kind of a negative approach, I admit. If we're looking at just praising a team that is like, oh, wow, look at what they've accomplished and what they've done. Spencer, of course, has done the more positive version. But again, Maryland's 4-0. They went to Wisconsin.

They kicked the shed out of Wisconsin. That's better than not kicking the shed out of Wisconsin. So, like, that I think the team that has most surprised me when I look up and they're undefeated throughout the year, not that I think they're bad or don't remember many of their previous good seasons is Navy, just Navy, just remaining undefeated. Just like, oh, right. All the good teams in the AAC, if you call it the AAC, will be fined by someone. And, oh, yeah, Navy, still undefeated.

I want to throw Vanderbilt on the pile here. Thank you. Yeah, that was my next one. Vanderbilt's 5 and O. Their next, now that we're, by the time this comes out, we're in October, next games are on the road against number 10 Alabama. Then they host number 13 LSU, number 19, Missou, and go on the road to number nine, Texas. It will be a tricky road from here. Like, it would be understandable if you went from 5 and 0 to, let's say, 6 and 3, pretty fast.

like it would not be a mark of shame by any means but what you have to do when you are Vanderbilt Maryland like this doesn't really apply when you're Ohio State or Texas to some extent whatever when you have the chance to go five when you have the chance to be September Maryland you better do it because the alternative is oh shit we went two and ten we went one and 11 like it is much better to have this existence and be able to position yourself to either a be like okay we're going to win 10 games for the first time in school history or be like you know what got rocky down the stretch but we stacked those wins early and we made it through winter as a result of it and we got you know we got eight wins we got to a bowl game whatever yeah if you

start four and oh and eight will would you rather finish oh and 12 yeah sure I think on um speaking of Vanderbilt, my choice for the September Heisman, a separate category that has been handed out many times over the years, is of course Diego Pavia. I voted in the athletics drop hole for Diego Pavia, Miami's Rubin Bain, and Georgia Tech's Haynes King, favorite of this program. Just because like...

I'm sorry, pause, Jason. Yeah. Hayes King! Thank you. Pavia has gone from like meme, like ha ha l-o-l pesky guy who beats hugh freeze to like he's like his numbers are as good as any any quarterbacks in the country um and like no he hasn't faced alabama yet um mind you he beat them last year um so it's not like he's completely in over his head here although lots of things are it's not i don't really believe he's six feet tall but the his numbers are up there with like literally any other quarterbacks and he's you know gone to south carolina based virginia tech

so on and so forth like it's not like it's been an easy schedule he's gone from being l-ol meme guy to like oh fuck he's really good he's like legitimately really really good this a ha ha member pete on field no like one of the best quarterbacks um that's awesome and i love it and i hope he sticks around for six years and so does he six more years yeah pavia pavia is definitely somebody who i would recommend for this uh under maybe underappreciated this is a major team so i apologize for like a major top five team but kaden curry for ohio state a defender who uh needs to be mentioned like up there in terms of leading sacks and tackles for losses um he's been incredible like i know ohio state's kind of laying low like kind of sneaking in but if we're going to get a defender

besides reuben vane in here katin curry has been very very very very very good for ohio state um i'm going to go ahead and also recommend somebody who has uh led his team to new heights that we really haven't even anticipated like it's easy enough to pick like a jaden maiava because his stats are absolutely fantastic i would like to go ahead and again i should have recused myself for this one jason but you got to be your own best cheerleader uh north texas transfer current uva quarterback chandler morris due to your tutelage at his previous stop that's right due to all the good work that we did with him uh chandler morris has uh uva undefeated in uh in the ACC.

That is correct. I hate that that's technically true, even though they lost it. That's the best. That's so stupid. I hate that that. Save an energy. That dumb shit is actually, like,

might actually matter for the conference championship. It's totally going to matter. Virginia is currently projected like nine and three. Like, this is a conference contender, at least conference championship, a 10-eat-eat-contender, and, like,

it might come down to that shit. that's so beautiful um also a guy who has been like i don't think we don't really talk about him enough a guy who's been super productive at a place that just wants to fire their coach so bad is brendon sorsby brendsorsby at cincinnati um if you look dude's already got a thousand yards passing in four games he's thrown 10 t ds to just one interception he's been good i know You have to watch Scott Satterfield ball to watch him. But Brandon Sarsby's been really, really good. So I would go ahead and throw him in as a recommendation for September Heisman status.

The other one that I want to add is Trinidad Chambliss, who has three games, all against current or former SEC teams, 380 plus total yards per game, just like dunking on folks, showed up from fucking Ferris State. and like honestly he probably deserves it the most it just feels weird to give even a made-up September version of a trophy to a guy who literally just appeared out of nowhere but um if he'd done it like one more time it would just it would be he would have it hands down it would be his award it'd be easy and it might be easy after two months yeah because if he keeps up this pace like trinidad jamblis is averaging something like two hundred and ninety yards passing and 70 to 80 yards per game, I think, of offense, along with like throwing in a pair of TDs every game.

It's not, it's not saying. It's not saying what Old Miss is doing. By the way, Old Miss is the only team besides Navy. There's two teams that have three wins in conference before leaving September. Navy and Old Miss, which if you had that bet at the window preseason, congratulations. National championship preview. Yep. Lane Kiffin versus the troops.

That'd be so sick. Lane Kiffin, are you here to defeat the troops and defeat America? And he's like, yes, at last, the evil empire will fall. Inshallah. Yeah, I am here to bring down the disgusting capitalist facade that has rotted this country to its core. Thank you, Lain Kiffin. Yeah, thank you. The infernal machine started ticking.

What especially disgusts me most about this country is the boat. boats that is why i have chosen to bring it bring it down from the shores in that's right sickening a brit you know who likes boats the british humans were not made to get away from them yeah that was why that's why the boston tea party really happened we were like ooh boats yeah game of the year so far i i i really there's only one suspect for me thus far one candidate and it It's UVA, Florida State. And that's just because absolutely bonkers game, absolutely bonkers result. Yes, a very enthusiastic field storming afterwards.

Should they do that again? I would prefer not to. I don't ever want to be one of those people who feels real militantly one way or another about field storming. I would just suggest maybe let everyone get off the field before you do that, before you sprint. And definitely don't flick anyone off. Definitely don't take a picture while you're flicking off the guy who just lost. because that's a great way to eat a fist. I would prefer not to lose teeth over a game.

Yeah, and it's not cool. It's actually not funny. I know you think it's funny, but it's not funny to run up and flip off somebody who's just lost a game. You're not going to like it when you remember doing it. Let that man go home. Yeah, let that man go home.

That's all he wants to do. I think that's probably the best choice for game of the year, even though I say this as someone who only caught it in bits and pieces because I was traveling at the time. But, like, spiritually, I have the sense that you're right. about that. Yeah, that's really my only pick. Play of the year.

It's not really close either. I think you know where I'm going with this. Big meaty man. It's an 11-yard reception that did not end in a touchdown, but that went to 359 pound, Caden Proctor, the left tackle for Alabama. You just robbed him of 19 pounds. Well, he got to 359.

Oh, he's down now? Yeah, that was the deal. He got that reception per the end of the, announcers that he was supposed to get under 360 so he hit 359 and they said let him loose good boy you have a cookie and that cookie is we're going to throw the ball to you in it like that's i wrote about this in the top whatever again subscribe to channel six but my favorite thing about that play is that you know that it's a cal and debaure team because they call that play not in the fourth quarter when they were up by 20 they did not call that on senior day when they're like l-o-l let's get the tackle of carry they called that with that with like 52 seconds left in the, like, waning instance of the second half against their prime rival in a conference game that absolutely matters. And they called it in the red zone. And they gave the ball to the left tackle. And the left tackle nearly scored.

That's how I know it was the play of the year for me thus far because high stakes, high comedy, superb results. Most beautiful thing I've seen this year. I want to throw out a couple other candidates for a game of the year. Okay. I would like to consider the backyard brawl. In part because I do think West Virginia is going to do the funny thing of just having a terrible year. They're going to end up just being like, yep, we managed to come back and beat Pitt in a game that felt like, yeah, Pitt's got this, you know, maybe a little closer than it should be, but, you know, Pitt took a 10-point lead. uh with nine minutes to play and then just completely farted the game away and looked

awful in overtime and and just like knowing how how much that will stick in pits craw the rest of the season like adds a little bit of flavor to me not saying that that's not present in virginia florida state but it matters a little bit and i would also like to throw Georgia Tech beating Clemson on that pile as well like that was that was a fun game. It's the hottest fire drill field goal you wanted to

yeah yeah that was like a fire drill field goal to what was it tie the school record for distance like that was that was pretty great and you know man okay you can Haynes King

Spencer you could do your thing you know, Hayes King! Like, watching a close game where Haynes King plays a prominent role is, it's probably the closest we can get to, to college football, monster truck, you know? Like little kids are, little kids are like, don't, his wheel fell off, oh, no! Doesn't matter. Graham digger is strong. Oh, there's the nickname.

Shit. He dug Clemson's Grave, all right. Came back against Wake Forest, too. That's all Haynes King does. Hanks King is carrying, like, by the way, if you check their stats, like his usage stats in terms of how much of that offense is made up of Haines King. That's a lot. Like against, I don't want to say against Wake.

It's like 74% of the total snaps were Haines King based. they cannot lose him they cannot he has to stay upright yeah it is it is kind of a beautiful little miracle that they played vanderbilt in a bowl game last season where it's like oh Diego pavia is that for a minute they have two two two monster trucks that just smash that's all they do it's so good is Diego poppya the monster truck with the big ears mighty mutt I think it's going to look like a dog. Hold on. I'm going to look up the name.

What is the name of this pocket truck? Monster Mutt! That's it. Two names. Grave Digger and Monster Mutt, our favorite quarterbacks. We love you, Haines King. Please stay safe. All right.

And then I have blowout of the year. Which I had taken down. September blowout of the year. Yeah, I'm sorry. September Maryland blowout of the year. And I'm just going to choose. I'm going to choose Arkansas and Notre Dame. Because that was the game where I really did think.

I was like, oh, they could do whatever they want. Like, that is the biggest blowout I have seen this year. Well, by a team that I did not expect to hang that kind of point. Oh, okay. See, I would go with. I would go with Indiana over Illinois from that perspective. Because that was a game where you were- Ryan Nanny is right.

That was like, okay, this is going to be like a good match of a, and it's like, holy shit. Any time you, and granted, Notre Dame Arkansas, check this box to some extent as well. Anytime we're like, the score is what, when? Like, that to me is the mark of what this category is really for. Yeah. I think any other choice is like,

a good nomination for second place that was that was just statistically that was all time or shit it had fear fear and awe I think a good blowout needs fear and like you could tell

you could tell Kurt Signetti was like this is the plan this was the plan to show the world that Brett Bielam is a soft idiot and that I can dominate him at all the times and I don't think Notre Dame necessarily was like

this is what we must do to Arkansas we must assure they never players again. Yeah, like, if I look over to the sidelines and your coach is giving big blood meridian vibes, that's when I know it's a good blowout. Like, if I think you're the judge, like, because Kurt Signetti in that game, you kept looking over like, oh man, he is dancing, dancing. He will never stop.

Oh, my God. He looked terrifying. Yeah, the stats from this game are just, I mean, it's fucked up that Indiana scored 63 points and only had to throw. the ball 23 times to do it. It's real fucked out. You outrush Illinois

312 to 2. Yeah. The name of the destroyers Fernando Mendoza. Love it. That is excellent. This concludes my survey of September Maryland Award

winners. As always, the special award is than two, September, Maryland. Congratulations on 4-0. We did it. We did it. Do we have time to look at the schedule briefly? Speed run. Speed run.

We could do a speed run this week, y'all. The schedule. Let's glimpse because no one asked for any of this. Quick preface. These are, like, I think Jason's the one who's established this. These are always the weeks that actually end up being really good, right? Yeah. Okay.

Interesting. All weeks are good. All weeks are good. Yeah. I think the last week was one that really had a sense of, I put this in the newsletter as well, like, oh shit, lots of teams are like, facing road games with like seven, eight points spread. So like last week, I don't really have a sense of what people thought of it,

but it projected as like a really, really good week. And I'd say delivered. This one is more of a every week is a good week kind of week. I mean, there's a couple like, you know, major headlines, Vanderbilt's biggest game since I'm going to look that up and find exactly when. but like otherwise we're digging for we're digging for jewels and we will find him where might we find that on this schedule jason probably not on the weeknight most likely probably not on friday you delaware folks take a look at it sure take a look at it those are

those are two decent teams delaware you have most likely never watched it all um nice competitive game in the kusa standings both undefeated there otherwise uh west virginia 18 point underdog to bYU that is that is the correct number however if you want to see a giant killer new mexico is playing at san jose state not that they're playing a giant yeah but that is three-win new mexico under the savage supervision of the king the king decapitator himself jason ec okay the guillotine yeah yeah so keep an eye on that um your week your week night headlight week night Highlights. At noon.

Sorry, Clemson, North Carolina. We got to watch you. We got to. We got to. I mean, like, keep it fucking real, man. What are you going to watch here? Oh, I got to see how Wisconsin looks. No, you don't.

I got to see if Michigan needs to run the quarter. No, no one cares. I got to see if Georgia can bounce. Yes, they can bounce back. They're playing Kentucky. They'll bounce back fine. Iowa State, since he's pretty interesting, Purdue might give Illinois a little something.

Let's keep it fucking real. We're watching the train wrap. watching Clemson at UNC. Can I, are you guys aware of what pregame festivities are looking like in Chapel Hill for this game?

And why they may have not accounted on this being a noon game? No, why? No, go ahead. So back in the middle of September, they announced what they were doing with the Chapel Thrill concert series, what they're calling it.

at 8 a.m. I should say this is not specific time. This is four hours prior to kickoff, which is 8 a.m. The tailgating open and a chapel thrill DJ will be coming out to the fan zone and they will have a DJ. Three hours prior to the kickoff game against Clemson that will do what's called the old well walk, which I assume is some sort of tradition where the players all walk to the locker room. But two hours and 15 minutes prior to kick off, there is a chapel thrill, concert in Polk Place. Are you aware who's performing this Saturday at 9.45 a.m. in Chapel Hill? I can't wait. Is it is ludicrous? It is ludicrous. It's not a ludicrous. It is luda. Luda. At 9.45 a.m. in Chapel Hill. Sure. I mean, everyone's kids need braces.

That's what I think whatever I see one of these is. I'm always like, it's paying for some I would love to see the 48-year-old. It's nothing against Ludacris, but, like, I mean, man, it seems like the default rapper for so much of football broadcast. I could use a break from Ludacris, but I'm not going to get it. It's 8-A-end up on Saturday morning, the Chapel Hill. But how nice for Ludacris that he used to be like, great, day's done. It's like going to Home Depot early.

It's like, yeah. And I'll get it with the U and C's offense. The confidence with which they were like, the confidence with which they sketched this over the summer of like no way this is a noon game it's no way Clemson will be like one and three yep people will want to pay it we will want attention oh no god yeah people want to see this shit oh deluda please don't post this on social media don't let anyone know this game is happening yeah yeah nope he'll be there with this latte in hand going who's your housekeeper hanging out with bill in your house great cw game as well wake forest who got just

screwed by the refs against Georgia Tech, against possibly resurgent Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, who's ready to have bad feelings on the CW. Dead Cat Bounce. Dead Cat Bounce. Yeah, speaking of Dead Cat Bounce, Oklahoma State at Arizona. That's it. That's the whole thing. You get to play Oklahoma State. Speaking of, I love Florida's schedule. I love every single week of this shit. Your team is one in three hosting the number nine team, and it's a touchdown spread.

I love all of these. It's like this is the third. straight game of like well Florida is going to lose but look at that speak it could be really close it could be really competitive Florida might win it's just very funny that this brutal nightmare of a schedule is also somehow like tantalizingly winnable I would like thank undefeated Vanderbilt for being undefeated and knocking this game over to ESPN instead of ABC at the same time attention away so we can watch Vanderbilt go to Tescaloosa and try to keep the streak alive. I am disgusted by this entire premise.

I'm going to watch it, but I'm going to hate it. At the same time, you can watch Ranked Virginia. That's a thing you can say. You can watch Ranked Virginia play Louisville. Undefeated Louisville, no less. Hey, do you want to know the one game that I, the one game that I, we don't take that number. Yeah, we faced all of our tests.

Yeah, in easy, classes yeah uh yeah that's actually the game that i think this weekend will be the most entertaining okay like i think that's the game where both teams and the sort of styles they play that's like your your 42 38 game okay another contender for that title is of course uh texas tech number 11 texas tech at undefeated Houston Houston's undefeated breaking news folks yeah also unranked yeah yeah yeah also it's that time of year yeah it is it is like you're Or no, and that means absolutely. We don't care.

Yeah, we don't care. Not after this, though. Someone's coming out of that game ranked. That's happening. Yeah. Miami FSU, which is always a fun time of year, because Florida fans can, like, you can point and laugh and your game will be done, you know? Like, no matter what, you'll be like, ha, ha, ha,

they forgot about what we did because they were watching Vanderbilt. That's right. They watched real SEC football. We could just see her heckle you two. You want to watch a winner. They were watching the well-coached tough Vanderbilt Commodore. instead of Florida. Yeah, I mean, honestly, there are so many games on here you can talk me in, too.

Sure. Let's put it that way. Can I talk you into Minnesota at Ohio State? You can try. It's a 24-point spread, but. Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota's 3 and 1.

Okay. That's a lot. It's a lot. This Ohio State team doesn't seem interested in, like, scoring 24. They seem interested in you not scoring at all. You know what I mean? Yeah. Which is what PJ Fleck is interested in, so they agree.

Everybody's going to be happy. Yeah, PJ Flex is like, I would like an 11-minute drive. I would like, I would love to win every game 21 to 18. Ohio State's offense is kind of funny. Like, I mean, I know, you know, new starting quarterback, blah, blah, blah. So much talent all over the place. And most of what they do is just bloop, bloop, doop-de-doop down the field. Like, do we get three yards?

Okay, that's fine. um like julian saying is gonna he's gonna complete a little pass and then another little pass and then a little pass okay that's fine you're not gonna score so what do you we'll give you back the ball it's fine but it's like it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel Iowa partly because there's so much talent and and because they have connected on some deep shots uh you know at times um it's just it's just like the least stressed offense in the country like yeah we don't really need to do anything it does it feels very uh break you know bow will run for a long win okay that's it that's probably all the points we need

just stay up late to watch duke cow let's just say that the duke game is kicking off at 1030 eastern at four and one cow yeah that's dude that is pervert football do it come on you're not better than this they can argue that they can argue about who's the better school yeah you can argue uh you know they can argue uh you know They play some deeply stupid football game that everyone's going to have eyes on. They're both winning teams. Can I talk you into a dangerous game?

A dangerous game. I love that. Hunting the most dangerous game of all. That is Texas A&M at home. Mississippi State at A&M. Four and one Mississippi State. Okay. Four and one.

Damn. Yeah. That's four and one. Very nearly five and oh. Four and one. Mississippi State's, that's a that's a stressful team that's it's they're also a strong um september maryland contender they are definitely a strong september maryland character but uh but i don't i don't think

they do seem like a stress test team though like i think this is yeah yeah they're not an easy out this year yeah also if you've watched texas an m one of my favorite kinds of teams because mike elko mike elko is is really like i don't i don't care we're making it to the office and we're getting this win how are we doing it uh I'm going to do it in a suit and a tie. We don't have pants. I'm going pantsless with a jacket and a tie. We're getting it done.

They won ugly games where they couldn't pass. Yeah, just a tie. I'm nude. I'm nude, but I'm here. We're wearing a tie around my waist. Yeah, like very, very much a, uh, he is one of the coaches who is most, I'm just trying to win the game, right? Like, you can't accuse Kirk Farrant of that because he's also a pervert and he likes to win that way, right? Right.

Yeah. There's, there are coaches who are, who are, who are. mostly interested in applying their aesthetic. And then there are coaches who don't give a shit. It is a pretty wild swing to go from. We beat Notre Dame on the road, 4142. We beat Auburn at home, 1610. But Auburn, a team begging to give you the ball and lose yardage via quarterback sack,

and you only beat them 1610. And you beat Notre Dame 4140, right? Yep. And then a pair of solid performances against teams that start with you. it's a they're weird i i like that though i like that they're just like well what team have we got today we're a power run team fine fuck it we're a power run team cool um what team we got today we're gonna win a shootout okay fine we'll win a shootout it's just so weird that the three highest ranked teams in the cc right now are o miss oklahoma and texas an m like all of them you can

be like well i don't know about that coach i love the conference standings right now this time of year They are profoundly weird at this point. Like right now, the team where you go, ooh, man, dominant. Look at that. Get the fuck out of their weights. Old Miss? Yeah.

Of the three, yes, especially with the, even probably before the injury to mater, yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the injury to material has Oklahoma fans making hype reels on TikTok about their hand surgeon, right? There's probably people in Oklahoma right now praying over that hand surgeon. Like, please, he did his, he already did it. There's nothing to do.

now he's the champ yeah you hope it turns out the more you believe in how it went the better yeah that's true that's true yeah i'm sending my prayers backwards through time yeah they they all work they all work pray over him um but yeah that's the team it's very weird that at this point coming up on when you were listening to this october 1st king of the c c's old miss 2 and o in the ac c georgia virginia and duke In many years, that is a very funny crew. And Cal's right behind them. Again, Duke at Cal, game of the year.

I'm joking, but I'll be up watching it.