Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - A Great Place with Jameela Jamil

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Ahead of the release of their upcoming Christmas movie "A Merry Little Ex-Mas," Oliver connects with his hilariously unfiltered co-star Jameela Jamil.The former schoolteacher offers lessons in making it in Hollywood. Hear about the night her career took a different course, the amazing way she landed her breakout role in "The Good Place," and how she feels about industry egos!Plus, Jameela reveals how her older sibling shaped her expectations of men, and whether marriage is in the cards in her current relationship with singer James Blake.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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to Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory. That's good. Oliver Hudson. I've been saying my name a lot lately. It's a slow day. I had to wake up super early and drop my kids off.

at the airport getting that age now where they're flying alone you know I think they're all cool they're going back to L.A. They're doing camp counselor stuff which is good

anyway all that all that to say I'm just tired a yoy aye got you had to get up at 6 with the boys but no reason to complain I'm in beautiful Colorado

looking outside my window the sky is blue the clouds look fake the trees are green so what am i what am i complaining about a little fatigue in my life summer's coming to an end and that's sad all the kids are back in los angeles and i'm taking about a week under a week just to spend some time with milady solo mission end of the summer just get our bone in just gonna bone it out just gonna bone it out a lot I'm gonna try

you know because when I when I try and then I get rejected I get upset so then I stop trying you know it's this vicious cycle but I don't get rejected that much

we have a nice boning atmosphere 25 years in if you don't bone you can't find home you know what I mean that was Hemingway Hemingway wrote that

all right enough of boning I'm sure we'll talk a lot about boning in this next segment with this next guest who I worked with on a Netflix show called a merry little ex-mas

I think that's what it's called I'm in the movie and I still don't know the exact title of the movie but we hit it off tremendously immediately because she has absolutely no filter as as do I as I don't as do I not whatever the correct English is so please welcome into the show onto the show Jamila Jamil what up babe hi how are you I'm good how are you where are you I'm in London I was just um looking through photos of our movie shoot and

what a cute couple we were yes I just got those as well the kills so for those that don't know you go through you know they send you pictures and you can slash the ones that you don't like or want i'm way too lazy to go through that shit so i just i let it ride nice i let it ride very good yeah but i did just do ADR yesterday so i got to see a little bit and i almost threw up great i can't wait i can't wait i can't stand looking at myself it just makes me crazy it makes me crazy yeah yeah Ted Danson said that he cried the first time he sort of saw the good place so judgmental of himself and he's so hot it's so ridiculous no I know I know I know well

what are you doing you're I was just in London why were you in London well I was there for six days after the um i was in greece and we did six days in london and then i stayed because i did the american bakeoff let me ask you a question do you think controversy follows you or do you bring in controversy i think i hunt it out do you hunt it down i do i hunt it down rather i seek it out and then i hunt it down um i think it's i think it's both i think i think i i don't want to be a controversial person. And in fact, I don't really understand why I am deemed so controversial, why the media try to frame me is so controversial. But I am aware when I am poking the Hornets Nest, I'm aware that it's a touchy subject and that doesn't deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy

rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem like asking for sort of equality is a really crazy thing to do. But why do you think you're such a target thing? And I think they're crazy well i know because i look we're friends now i follow you i see all the shit that you sort of you know stir up and then i see you know you posting things and this and that and you know sort of pleading your case essentially you're saying well here's the truth here's the reality of all of this but why do you think you're a target because i threaten massive institutions and i think i threatened systems and and because i'm a decent communicator i sometimes have been proven to inspire other people

to also use their voices and that can be very dangerous when it comes to disrupting or dismantling power and so they want to make an example of those of us who stand up and speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it so if they, you know, humiliate you or lie about you or take things away from you

then other people will be deterred from following in your path and so I think I just fly a little too close to the sun, but that's okay because, you know, I never planned on this career anyway. So it's inevitable it's going to, you know, all go down in flames. But how did activism, first of all, do you consider yourself an activist? No. No. Okay. That's what I thought. I knew that, but I'm for the audience, right? No, we use that word, we give that word out. Well, define, exactly, define, define potentially what you feel that you are and then what activism is or what an activist is. Why is that word so it's kind of diluted now? Well, because it's

trendy. It became trendy after the 192 movement. And anyone who said anything that went against the current was suddenly named an activist and deemed an activist. And a lot of people in our industry believed it. And I think to be called an activist, you have to be an actual organizer who's taking actual risks, who's on the ground without the privilege and protection to know it's fundamentally going to be okay if you take this stance or you make this, you know, make the stand. And so I would call myself and the rest of us privileged fools at advocates. You know, you can advocate for a cause. You can signal a cause to other people and highlight other great voices. But to deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my movie trailer is foul business.

it's foolery well this is why I love you because you have your head your head is on very very straight it feels like there's no hypocrisy with you in any way whatsoever I'm very old I think if there was

I've hopefully straightened most of it out what do I mean you're old what are you talking about 40 I'm 40 yeah I'm almost 49 so okay well you're all so old I am and I just saw it like yesterday

when I was watching our scenes don't you love it though? No. Don't you love it at all? No, no, I don't. I mean, the funny thing is there are some where I'm like, oh, look, I'm not even paying attention to performance at this point.

I'm not even really watching a scene. I'm just seeing my face pops up and like, wait, why? Since when did I have jaundice? You know, I'm like, what the fuck happened? Why am I yellow? That's just because you're white stabbing next to me. Probably. And then there's scenes, I'm like, look, all right.

You know, it fits the skin tones there. and then boom, next scene, you're like, what the fuck is going on? I think you've been in L.A. too long and you need to get the fuck out. I'm here in Colorado. Right, but I'm in England right now, and we're all rough as shit over here. And it makes you feel sane. You know, everyone's face is moving. Yeah.

Everyone's dyed their hair, the wrong color. We don't brush our teeth. But we don't even floss in movies. You know how Americans are always flossing in movies? Yeah. We don't even perform flossing. it's not a part of our culture we're all toothless

we're all hungover we don't eat right we order fries with every single meal including breakfast it's just it's a it's a lovely normal ground to be so I think you just need to get out of Airbrush City but why

but why is London still like that or the English still like that yeah look we're not impenetrable you know because we have the internet but it's just you've walked around the streets here generally like to be polished is to be boring but I never understood the the teeth thing I don't get that why like why I think we just can't be asked we're busy we're busy abusing our bodies you know it's not it's we go too far with it right you know like the fact that if if you were to order a salad people would think

you're dying, you know, genuinely concerned if you order a salad for a meal. But I think we just don't care. I don't think it's, I think it's still frowned upon to be concerned with your appearance, which is a different type of snobbery. But it's one that makes you feel less self-critical. Like the difference in our actors here versus in America is insane. Like in LA, I feel like a lot of our actors look like they're straining for a poo when they're trying to cry because of their faces are so frozen whereas in england we all look sort of more haggard and very emotive and expressive and also so much of our stuff is period so you can't have your lips done right frozen person be like my lord right where for art thou because it would

look fucking crazy yeah yeah so i think it's just a different culture you know i think it's it's just different but i think if you get out of where you are you'd realize You're a London 11. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I loved it. My kids loved it. We had a blast.

The weather was amazing, though. So we had fun. We saw a lot of really nice teeth, too, by the way. Were they your own in the mirror? Yep. They're on my own. But you said that you didn't want to do this, right? You didn't want to be an entertainer.

You didn't want to get into this world. Yeah. So how did that happen for you? Oh, I was an English teacher, and I was street scattered at a point. pub by a producer who thought I was ridiculous and he said that I should be on television and I said I would never be on television. I was, you know, I was very up my own ass in my snobbery and then he said it was a thousand pounds a day and without hesitating I was like, please give me the email. And I emailed in like a cover letter and a really daft picture of me dressed as like

an old Santa Claus, and then they asked me to send in a video, so I sent it a video, and then they asked me to come in an audition, and I did, and I got the biggest youth entertainment job in Britain. How old were you? I was 22, almost 23. And so wait, up into that point, you were a teacher? I was an English teacher, yeah. You were in English? What grades were you teaching? It's crazy, isn't it? Because I'm so stupid. Oh, no, I was teaching English as a foreign language, and then I was teaching teenagers English literature, having read very few books, yeah. I've always been a bullshitter. Yeah, I know, I know.

This is how I am. You know, it's who I am. I didn't know how to act. I'd never acted before I did The Good Place. That was my first audition. Right. It was the first time I'd ever acted. You know, my first time on set was the first day on the Good Place, like on a movie sale or a TV show set. I, uh, I told, you know, Marvel, I would be able to fight. And then they learned the hard way that that was a really crazy thing for me to say. Mm-hmm. No, I know. I've, I saw you try to run on our show. Oh, humbling times. Do you remember me on the sled?

We all thought I was going to die. Yes, yes. You thought you were going to die. No, you all did. I have you on video. Shitting yourself. September owns feels like the start of something new,

whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

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Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith,

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My dad is a farmer And my mom is a cousin So like it's not What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke But that really was my reality nine years ago I just normally do straight stand-up

But this is a bit different On stage stood a comedian With a story that no one expected to hear Well 22nd of July 2015 A 23 year old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer

walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a tape recorder state. person being interviewed

is Krista Gail Pike, which is in regards to the death of Colleen Slimmer. She started going off on Eve and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January

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Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Did you want to be a teacher? Is this what you grew up wanting to do as a little girl?

No. No, I wanted to be a doctor. Right, well, let's go back into that. First of all, where did you grow up? I grew up in London and then Spain, and then a little bit in Pakistan, and then back to London, and then I just moved all over London. There's almost nowhere in London that I haven't lived.

I moved like 13 times as a kid. Okay. And with your parents, with your family. With my parents, yeah, with my parents, with my brother. I've only got one brother. I have like three half siblings, but I don't know them. Okay. But my brother is also my half sibling, but I do know him and he's, you know, the love of my life.

That's right. I know. When did he become your half-siblings? Are you the oldest? No, he's 10 years older than me. so when I was born. Oh, wow. So it's an interesting age gap there.

It is, but it was kind of genius because he was old enough to be really excited to have a buddy, you know, and he just loved, loved the shit out of me the second I was put into his arms. And my mom had done something very smart, which is to tell him all throughout the pregnancy that this was going to be his baby. She was, you know, creating like his toy, his baby. So when I arrived, he didn't feel threatened. He was like, my gift has arrived. And he was so happy to see me and cherished looking after me and teaching me things and teaching me creativity and games. And I'm certain that the reason I know how to act now is because my entire, like, really

young childhood was spent making up characters to entertain my brother. oh wow but did that did he go away to university did he leave at a certain time you know how did how was that because then essentially you became an only child yeah yeah he left when I was six or seven and I didn't know until we got to the airport because everyone was so scared because everyone knew I was completely obsessed with him yeah and I would follow him everywhere I was a Velcro sibling, and he would let me because he's very cool. And then they told me at the airport as he was going through the crossing. And it was like Sophie's choice. I threw a tantrum that has never been seen before at Heathrow. I'm amazed I'm ever allowed back. But I lost my shit. It was

properly like a film. It was like he was never, it was like he was going away to war. And I was never going to see him again. Because at that age, you don't know, you know, you have no concept of time. And to spend a day without him would have killed me. But to know that he was leaving. to move to another country he moved to Spain with my grandmother because that's where she lived and that's where we'd partially grown up and it ruined my life i mean how did you you're six years old very resilient children are but how do you square that and then when did you guys reconnect again um we stayed in touch but it became harder as i went through my teens without you know we we went our separate ways for a really formative period of time so it was really as

adults that we became super close again so there was a bit of a separation in the sense that he was yeah there was a separation he was off doing his thing and and that distance felt really far away we didn't have the money to go out and see him all the time so you know I was able to go and stay with him like one time when I was eight and it was the best I think it was the entire best week of my childhood where I was just allowed to just go and be just me and him and and he I remember on the final day I was sobbing because I knew I had to leave and then he played and it was raining outside and his room overlooked the sea and then he played here comes the sun that was the week he introduced me to the Beatles and he was playing me the red album and the blue you know the compilation albums and he played here comes the sun and all of a sudden the sun came out and all the rain went away and it was one of those like kind of core memories of magic and that was when I became obsessed. with the Beatles, which I'm still obsessed with now. James keeps begging me to stop buying Beatles memorabilia for our shared home.

And I, yeah, my aesthetic in our home is like a foreign exchange student. But, yeah, that was very painful. Then after that, you know, I just grew into my own very isolated person. Like, I didn't really make friends after that, partially because I was so weird and he was the only person who understood me. but also because he set such a high bar for companionship. You know, I had the greatest best friend of all time who used to like, this is how thorough my brother was.

Like he would create universes, not just games. He would throw me in a sleeping bag the wrong way. So head first. And then he would put on a hairdryer and then roll me around on the floor. So I would think I was traveling through space and time and I was in a rocket. And then he would pick me up, put me in like a washing, you know, the washing basket and then drag me like, you know,

what felt like warp speed and I'm still in the blanket. I still can't see anything. So he's dragging me through the apartment. And then I land in a room and he's had it covered in tinfoil. He's covered everything in tinfoil. So now I know we're in the future. And then he would tell me that my parents weren't really my parents. They were aliens.

That really fucked me up. Wow. But he was so cool. creative you know he ran into a fire to protect me like my my parents didn't and he did really yeah they stood there frozen this like you know this uh air conditioning unit in pakistan was caught fire and he ran into the house uh into a into a room that was on fire and got me wow so i owe this motherfucker forever but when did you reconnect to where you got close you know really close probably in my 20s. And then how did that happen? You guys just grew up. Well, I moved near him. I moved near him.

He moved back to England. I moved in literally around the corner from me. And so we saw each other all the time. And I think you just like you get, I think you and Kate have this. Like sometimes you don't have any chemistry with your sibling and sometimes you just do. And it's like the universe just plopped one of your soulmates into, you know, in throughout the same puss. Yeah. Yeah. It's ideal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I have, I have, I have. I have. have nothing in common with, you know, the rest of my family. But my brother is like one of my exact identical sense of humor. Like he's kind of my parent. He shaped me. He did. He raised you a little. Yeah. And with your other halves, is it is it just just doesn't work? It's just sort of

I mean, or is there animosity there? Or is it just sort of like it just, it wasn't, we didn't connect and as simple as that. I think we just never were around each other so we never connected and they were way older than me. Okay, got it. The youngest one of them was 16 years older than me. Okay. And I'm from the second marriage. So, you know, I don't think anyone was trying to get to know the baby from the marriage that their mother was left for.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And what was your childhood like? Was it strict? Was it creative? Were you free and independent? Um.

Was there a cultural aspect to it? It was weird. It was like sort of socially bohemian. You know, I didn't, like, my parents were very Western. They were not trying to practice our culture at all. Like, they didn't teach me and my brother the language. They didn't, we didn't eat the food. We didn't listen to the music. So we were very much so like a westernized Asian family because there was so much racism that my parents faced when they moved over. I think they were both maybe a bit traumatized. So they desperately, like they spoke in such like, like cut glass fake British accents. You know, very exaggerated, you know, when they would speak to white people on the phone and then an Indian accent when they speak to Indian people on the phone. They would put it on. Yeah, so it was a fact we were very much so like it's steeped in white British culture and American culture, like so much American music and American movies. And then, and, you know, they were sort of, you know, they were loosey-goosey people in that way,

but they wanted me to be very, very academic. Because academia is just like very, very, very. intense in South Asian household. So there was a lot of pressure on me to be very academic, to compete with my cousins. There's a very competitive, like, families that I come from. And how did you take, how do you take to that? I don't know, because there was nowhere, I wasn't, like, discipline wasn't being modeled for me at home, because it's all, like, music and film, but I just still had to excel. So I, I think I just, I just knew the pressure that was on my shoulders to achieve and make my family very proud. And, you know, I've spoken about

this before. I don't like to go into too much depth about it, but I come from a sad family. Like, I come from a family of mentally troubled, abused people, you know, who struggle with their mental health in all kinds of different, like, debilitating ways. And I was aware of that from as soon as I could understand. So I knew that being funny or making them laugh or making them proud created just a little respite through the tension and the mania of my household that was, you know, in moments very, you know, fun and entertaining, but also terrifying. Mm-hmm. So, you know, so I just got through it.

You know, you just understand as a kid what you need to do. And so I made my entire identity studying and then no one fingered me till I was in my 20s. By choice. No. I remember you told me that story. You told me the story of that moment. Very, very funny.

I didn't tell you about getting fingered. I think you might have. No, I didn't. I don't even remember. I just know it didn't happen until I was in my 20s. What are you thinking of? Well, there was some sort of a situation that happened way later on in life where it was like, let's just get this over with.

Maybe it was losing your virginity. No, it was my first kiss. It was my best friend because everyone was worried that everyone bought me. The fucking movie, 40-year-old. No, no, it's not. I'm not a Hollywood child. I, um, I, uh, the 40 year old virgin came out and I was in my early 20s and everyone was scared that was going to be me.

So one of my best friends just laid one on me, just kissed me. And then it was done. Um, and then I became a kissing maniac, but just with him, you know, uh, and so I've, I've still not really, um, sown my wild oats. I've only slept five people. But that's not who you really are. No, it's just not. I have no game.

And you know that now. You know it's not an act. We've spent some significant time together. No, I know. I know. But do you attribute that just to who you are, you know? I mean, just you just, but you found your man. You found your guy.

Yeah, I don't know how. When he writes these songs about me, these love songs, I'm like, is he having an affair? Like, who is this about? This cannot be about me. be me. I think I told you when we were in Canada together that that he wrote this song with Travis Scott, you know, who at the time was dating

his baby mama, Kylie Jenna, and she's very, like, sexual and he was singing like, you know, Travis is singing about Kylie and James is singing about me and Travis is like air's better than a beach and then he's talking about her peach and he's just being really like raunchy

and then James's lyrics are sort of like, she's a very nice person and she's my best one. It's a very nice person. She's my best. Yeah. It's like just being like just dunked in humble pie. But that is who I am.

September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go. next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place

to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means

to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized.

I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola

and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to the moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos

as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin, so, like, it's not, like...

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. On 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes a stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing.

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This is in regards to the death of a Colleen slimmer. She started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live?

we are starting the recording now please state your first and last name Krista pike Listen to Unrestorable Season 2 Proof of Life on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts It's amazing how you have found someone And he has found someone who you just understand each other and it sounds like you live very sort of independent lives in the best possible

way because you are not you are not relying on each other necessarily you know you love each other and want each other and want to be with each other but at the same time you know there's some ease to what you guys do it's different different than most relationships would you would you say that's true i don't know i don't know if i'm aware of too many other relationships i know that we're best friends and we're obsessed with each other. So that's just really nice. And I know that he treats me incredibly well. We treat each other very, very well and with lots of respect.

And we are a full team. And we've been a team pretty much since the minute that we met. Even when we want to kill each other, we're still a fucking team. And I think I can also credit my brother as to why I was looking for a gentleman in my life. My brother's a proper gentleman, like old school gentleman. like to the point where for a while he started dressing as like a Victorian gentleman and he took it too far but that was very chic in London

you know in the like naughties and 90s I was thinking the other day when walking through the park in London I was like God if an alien landed here right now they would have no idea what year this is because everyone is so dedicated to another we don't just like have a nod to another era you have like 19 year olds who've never seen anything from the 70s dressed like full like full

Dylan vibes. It's very, very funny. But anyway, so my brother was the most gentlemanly person I've ever met and I think I always looked for that in partners as someone who was very, very kind and had great manners

and was old-fashioned in that way. You know, I've never really dated disrespectful. I've never had an attraction to disrespectful people. Thank God, because God knows Hollywood has trained women to look for disrespectful bad boys.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, like me. Gone quite well for you, yeah. Exactly. I'm doing great. I'm doing very, very well. But you're not a bastard. You're... No, not at all. Of course I am. Come on. How did that start? How did the relationship start? Was it slow and steady? Because, you know, and by the way, how much it's humor playing? to this because you're very funny obviously you love to laugh you love to make people laugh you love shock value irreverence all of these things so you have to find someone that can match you yeah

silliness has got to be the only way I've survived this relationship because I'm sure that if I didn't make him laugh as much as I did he would have left me by now so much about me is like it's not what he ordered you know it's just yeah it's what he ordered versus versus what he got, which is hilarious to me. But I think humor was a massive part of it. We met, we were friends first, so not too quickly. And then we did kind of accidentally move in with each other, because he came out to Los Angeles just a visit for five days.

And, you know, we weren't seeing each other. And then he stayed for 10 years. So, you know, he was just staying in my room. And I had a, you know, flat share with another roommate. And we just lived there for about a year and a half. And then we got our own place. So we lived together pretty much from as soon as we started shagging. But we still didn't say, I love you for like nine months.

And we didn't really accept that this was a relationship for 18 months. Wow. We were very just like, you know, we weren't shagging other people, but we just weren't taking it seriously because he was 26. And he was a musician and actual Victoria's Secret, like legit, literal women who have wings were trying to have sex with him. I have no wings. women who have like beauty crowns

I have a Burger King crown So I was never like Oh yeah no we're gonna be together forever And then after about 18 months We realized we really really didn't want the other one Shag anyone else So we just kind of made an official commitment to each other After 18 months

After 18 months yeah That's when we really took it seriously and realized Oh shit I actually really fucking love you I'm so annoyed You know because I was supposed to have my hoe phase you know, I'd been waiting my whole life for this ho-phase that was going to begin. I was like, I'm about to be 30, I'm moving to California, I'm going to be a big old slut. I love it.

And then he, you know, he cunt-blocked me. I'm so sorry. I know. Well, we cump-blocked each other, you know. And that's it. And now I think we're going to probably go the distance. We're going to try to go the whole distance. We're not married.

No. But I told you that your mum inspired one of my favorite songs of him. She gave an interview explaining her relationship with Kurt Russell and she said that I don't want to get married because I want to choose him. You know, I just like I enjoy the fact that I could leave the house and go anywhere and I choose to come back to him. And I said that to James and I was explaining why I never want to get married, that I was incredibly inspired by your mum. And then he wrote a song called Choose Me on, you know, very shortly after we started dating. Yeah. And it's some people's favorite song of his.

So thanks to your mom. It is true, it is true, though. I mean, what is, what does marriage actually provide you? What does it do? You know, I'm married. I told you my theory, yes. But my mother was the one who said, what are you doing? Right.

Because I would get her jewelry every Christmas. And I would show my mom, say, I'm thinking about this, this, and this. And I brought her some jewelry, a ring and a necklace, whatever. She was, why are you going to propose? When do you get her a ring? It's been three years. I said, what are you talking about? Are you crazy?

No, I'm not going to get married. You're not married. It works. I come from divorce, and that didn't fucking work. And then she said, well, it's not, you don't have to get married right away. It's a symbol. Do you want to be with her for the rest of your life? I said, yes.

Well, it's just a symbol. It's to show her that you do. So then I went for it. And then it spiraled me for the next two years. I started to trip out. But, you know, my mom was the one who sort of made me. propose. What she did to put me at ease was just say, look, you don't have to, you don't have to get married. Get married in four years if you want. But it's just, you know, so that's the,

she's the reason that I even have proposed. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, you, you are the exception. You're not the rule when it comes to marriage. And I think James and I have kind of built this superstition via watching what's happened to a lot of our friends, which is that almost as soon as they get married, a sexy ex comes back. Someone suddenly turns up at work who's like everything they've ever wanted um and you're like oh fuck do you tempt fate when you stand there and you speak directly to god and you say like i vow to be with this person forever is god just like oh yeah and so i uh so i've developed this silly superstition that you know i feel as though james and i are flying under the radar keeping a low profile and not tempting

the universe it's like please don't send me you know someone tempting just leave me alone. And we've been thus far left alone. And I think it's because I know a couple who were together for like 30 years unmarried, got married, he immediately had an affair. No. Never had an affair before. Yeah.

Total chaos, like potentially on the brink of divorce. Chaos. Yeah. And so I think, I just think it's tempting the universe. It's a stupid theory. I never said it was intelligent, but it works for us. Well, good. You know, I never even, I don't think we've ever touched upon spirituality.

No, I believe in things that are convenient to my life. So I believe in karma because I love revenge. You know, I don't think about good karma. I just think of like, I can't wait until you get your fucking bad karma. You come. I'm a petty person like that. And then I believe in God when I'm at the dentist, you know, and I'm like, please God, I swear to God, I'll stop eating sugar.

I'll start flossing. Please God, if you just don't make me like have a root canal, please God. So all of a sudden, she's religious. Right. So I'm, you know, I'm not going to be given any gifts by the universe because I only call when I need something. No one wants the friend who only calls when they need something. There's no other dedication, you know, or loyalty that I show. So no, not terribly, just, you know, no horoscopes, no anything.

I'm really just kind of, you know, flying by the seat of no pants. No pants. But nothing bigger, no bigger energy, no tapping into things. no so coincidence it's just coincidence that you know it just life is basic sort of although I'm I'm maybe but I kind of you know I do believe in pro noia you know pro noia which is the opposite of paranoia I don't know the universe the universe is um is conspiring in your favor okay so I never think the universe is against me anytime anything goes wrong I I generally you know once the once the wound has healed go oh that

probably protected me from something else. It's also known as the burnt toast theory. You know, you burn your toast on your way to work. And then that makes you angry because it's inconvenienced. You can now you're late. But because you were late, you didn't get hit by that car or run into that X or something. Sliding doors, another great example. So I think it's just because I saw sliding doors that I believe in that.

So I just always believe I'm on a set of timeline. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually not a very good movie, but it's such an incredible. Yeah, I haven't seen it forever. watched it. I rewatched it recently for the first time in 20 years and I was like, this is a bit shit, but the concept is so incredible that it doesn't matter. And the performances are all good. It's just not particularly well written. And you kind of know that they just didn't need to write it that brilliantly because the concept is such a like runaway hit.

Yes. Okay, that's fair. I'm sort of on your page. You know, I'm not a God person necessarily. I'm just not a deep thinker. You know, that's what it is. I'm not, I don't believe that. Sometimes I feel like you sell yourself short. I sometimes you've, I feel like you use your bluster to sort of deflect from your depth sometimes. That's, I don't know. I might be a puddle. That's just me knowing you. A little bit, not a lot, but a little bit. What is Aela's Dan Love syndrome? It's a lack of collagen in every cell of my body, which means that I'm like an elastic lady. Got it. So like my arm is normal like this, but then, oh no, looks broken. So I'm just sort of very bendy. I dislocate all the time. I'm very clumsy. I fall down the stairs

constantly. I have lots of stupid health emergencies. My heart doesn't work properly. My teeth are rubbish. But my skin will never age. So it's weird. Like my insides of the painting in my basement. So I have the insides of like, you know, probably a hundred-year-old, but my exterior will never crease, which is really crazy. Wow. So it's like a bit double-edged. Yeah. I don't know. I don't care. I like wrinkles. But I, yeah, so it's weird. It's weird to look young and feel so old. Because you're sick all the time. I know. I know. I remember. But you're such a trooper though I just want to say Jamila was going through some shit

just a stomach bug or whatever the fuck was going on no it wasn't a stomach bug I I got a hernia working out with one of our co-stars in my esophagus because I'm so weak because he's six eight yeah he's six eight a hundred percent he's made of muscle and the only way to he doesn't leave the gym so if you want to bond or hang out with him and become friends

you have to go to the gym to hang out And so I brought my, like, I brought some Pringles and a can of Fanta as my electrolytes because I'd never, you know, been a fitness person. So he immediately didn't take me seriously and then kind of punished me for it by working me out so intensely and hardcore, not in like a flirty way, like boot camp. And he worked me out so hard and I'm so pathetic that I got a hernia in my esophagus in my food tube. Oh, my Lord. realize that was the official diagnosis.

That was the beginning of it, and then it just escalated from there. But I never missed a day, and I was never late. She did not, Jamila. It was unbelievable. She would, I mean, just on death door at scene, but just go and kill the scene and then just leave and then come back and leave, come from the hospital. The ultimate professional. It was an insane shoot.

And you know, I fucking went back to Canada recently to film something else. because that was my first time shooting in Canada was with you guys and then I went back to Canada recently I don't know if you saw this on the internet but I got bitten on the fucking eye by a meat eating fly called a black fly

didn't know they have those in Canada and it gave me some sort of black fly fever which I'd never heard of before flies are so timid in England but they're carnivores in Canada it bit me on the eye while I was filming and my eye fully swelled up like a testicle and then I posted it but no one read the caption

so they thought I'd been beaten up by James and it was chaos online. Are you kidding? No, it was a nightmare because no one fucking reads the caption. Oh my gosh. What's going on? Maybe you should go to Canada. I know, it's final destination.

It is. But yeah, that's what's wrong with me. I've got Aela's Downer's Syndrome. It's incredibly not fun. And loads of people have it and don't know that they have it and that's really sad. Yeah. Well, I loved working with you.

I think we had a blast. And you've been working more now, right? I mean, you've been doing jobs. I work in bits and balls. Because you were a little hesitant about like, okay, I'm doing this gig. And it was like, do I want to do this? All right, fuck it. Let's go do it.

I haven't done that much since we spoke. Like, I really am like, I'm not very ambitious. You know this now. Like people, one of the things that drives me mad is that throughout my career, I've, you know, especially I get this from other women. I don't really get this from men. But women will be so guarded around me, which is so ironic, because I love women so much.

But they'll be guarded around me and weird and competitive. And they'll think that my whole like, I don't know what I'm doing is an act to try and get their guard down so I can go in for the kill. But whenever anyone actually then works with me, they're like, oh, wow, she really is just showing up for a vibe. She's really got no design here. I said to you that I never want to be higher than like number six on a call sheet. My sweet spot is like number six. come in, be fun, fuck off again.

Right. You know, I really love, I love this industry, but I love it in a little bite-sized chunks. I don't let it define me. And I think it can be quite dangerous. I think, you know, I was very lucky that I was a journalist,

you know, before I became an actor. So my job was to interview actors and musicians and superstars. You know, I got to interview all the most famous people in the world all the time. And that was my job. And so I got to see them behind the scenes. You know, I'd go away on like four-day trips with them and do documentaries about them and stuff. And I had never met a super successful person who was really, really happy.

And I think that really marked me. And so I was like, right, I'm going to make my metric of success fun, not awards, not followers, not money. Like, I'm just going to make it fun. And so all my jobs I pick are based on who I get to have fun with. You know, I wanted to meet you. I wanted to meet Alicia. I wanted to meet Melissa Joan Hart. You know, so I took that movie without even.

reading the script because I was like, oh, I love all these people. I want to meet them and hang out with them for a month. Would you say the written word is what sort of inspires you the most or what you connect to the most? You know, I mean, what is it your most passionate about as far as your creativity goes? I don't know. I don't know if I'm an especially creative person. I'm an essay writer. So I think I'm a beautiful writer though. Oh, thank you. Yes. That's very kind. But again, I'm not super creative. I think I'm a, I think I'm good at documenting what's happened. I I have like a, I think I'm, I'm good at relaying a story. And so, so I don't think I'm going to be someone who comes up with fucking, I don't know, Lord of the Mother fucking Rings, but I do

think, or succession, but I think that I'm a good essayist. And so I love writing essays and I love having a podcast. Like, I love reality. I love the, I love the truth of human beings. I'm obsessed with our motivations, why we do things, all, like, I think the reason I love being in Europe so much is because, or New York, is because you're immersed in humanity all of the time, whether you want to be or not, whether it's someone farting in your face on the train or it's someone, you know, it's, you know, I sometimes, this is so wrong and I shouldn't admit it because it's such a bad thing to say, but fuck it. I follow people all the time. I follow them when they're on the phone and something really juicy has been said, I want to know how it ended.

So I'll just take a detour in my walk with my dogs because no one showed up for his birthday weekend and he's reading everyone fulfilled and I want to I want to make sure he's okay and he got all his words out so you know I just I'm eavesdropping all the time I'm a nosy creepy little bitch I love that I relate to that entirely you know sometimes my wife and I will be at a restaurant and something will happen and all of a sudden it gets loud and she's the same way we just stopped talking yeah love that we just start listening and then after everyone else thinks you're in a bad marriage you know what I mean everyone's not having a conversation people don't have anything in common with each other.

And it's like, actually, the James wrote this lyric that summarized both what soulmates we are, but also what horrible people we are, which was let's go home and talk shit about everybody. Let's go home finally. I'm going to send you this song because I think you'll really like it. But it's because his favorite moment of any party is when we get in the car and gossip.

Yeah. Oh, it's the best. It's just like, it's such a bonding thing to do. Well, that's what I love about you because everyone's like, oh, gossip, it's sort of, there's, It's negatively, it's negatively connotated. But you're like, fuck that. I love gossip.

I love it. The reason my hair is so long and thick, I'm obsessed. My hair is so long because it's full of secrets. Mm-hmm. But I never give away, I never give away the secrets of my friends. No. I give away the secrets of my enemies. But could you destroy people's lives with the things you know?

100%. Really? Yeah, I can't wait to get dementia. Oh. Oh, it's going to be great. Everyone's fucked. When I don't know how to keep a lid on it. Which you're already trying to keep that lid on it.

I mean, who's kidding? Like, you were, that lid is... By the way, I feel the same way about you. We were both Lucy Goosey. Oh, gosh. From the second we met, I feel like we bonded over, hey, who do you hate? Right. Right.

Well, this is fun. Just a bunch of bitches in the snowing Canada. Of course. And it was fun as hell. Jam, Jam. to talk about your podcast. I was supposed to be on it. The timing didn't work out in L.A., but I'm going to be on it. Talk about it. Yes, I have a new podcast. It's a comedy disaster podcast called Wrong Turns. And it's basically just that, you know, when life gives us lemons, not all of us

make lemonade. Some of us just, you know, develop a hiatal hernia in our esophagus. But it's about all of the disasters that have happened to me and to all of my favorite funny people from around the world and a hilarious story from the audience, just about the worst decisions we've made, the worst things we've ever done that have no silver lining, no great pearl of wisdom shoved up your ass. So the guests are bringing their own stories? Yeah, it's just, it's where dignity goes to die and we all just marinate in our own horror together. And that's why people seem to love it, because it gives them 30 minutes of just feeling smug and better than us. And I think that that's the gift that the world needs right now. And have you had some guests reveal some things

that they had never revealed. Yeah, we all saw a side of Simon Pegg last week that we didn't expect to. And Adam Pally, yeah, Jordan Firstman, all these hilarious people, May Martin, Bob the Drag Queen, like, just hilarious people saying shit that we all swore and believed that we would take to the grave, but didn't. We just shared it for the entire world to hear. So if anyone wants to hear it, it's called Wrong Turns with Jamil. And you're going to be a guest on it soon.

it and I've got to think about what the hell I'm going to talk about because you have a lot I have some stuff I have some stuff I hope I get to see you soon same you're genuinely one of my favorite scene partners I've ever had like I had such a blast working with you you're such a fun ridiculous man yeah I love that a very generous actor and an improvving dumb shit to do with you Right, that's fun. One of my favorite experiences on that shoot or on any shoot. So thank you, because every so often I get a bit disillusioned by actors.

And I don't mean to sound like a massive bitch, but I mean we've established by now, I'm a massive bitch. But I get disillusioned with actors because sometimes they can just be the worst, you know. And I don't think that's a surprise to hear for anyone. They can just be the worst. And so it's like the, you know, if there is a universe or a source or a god or something, it's like every so often I get sent really good humans that make it really fun

and remind me why I love it and you're one of those people so if I do another acting job it'll be because you you topped me up until the next lovely actor we need to do a comedy menu that's what I need to do something outrageous

something about gossip something about a couple that loves to gossip and gets into trouble right exactly that's not a bad idea well i hope i get to see you i don't know when i will but maybe one of these days we'll run into each other yet again we have a premiere in november friend oh that's right do we help us if we do the press together oh we will and it's going to be crazy okay they won't air they won't air any of it they're going to air all of it okay right and then we'll be in trouble yeah yeah that's it

All right. Well, look, love you lots. Love to the family. Love you, babe. Yes, you too. Tell James and say hello. Oh, well. That's my girl. Jamila, Jamil, Jamil, Jam, Jam. She was so much fun. She has so much energy. She is so irreverent. She talks so much shit. She has no filter whatsoever. If you know who she is, you already know that. Her podcast is is hysterical. You must check it out. And she's extremely talented and pretty much everything she does. She has a substack that she writes. It's really great. Always seems to be

controversial because she's unafraid. That's my lady. All right, I'm out. I'm Jorge Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having as father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusion. and angry patience. You think you're finally, like, in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what shows? they've come to see. It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. It was a battlefield. It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals.

The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high-stakes game where survival meant more than beauty. Hosted by me. Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built a ruthless ambition. Listen to Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve? to live. We are starting

the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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