Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - A Lively Conversation

Episode Date: April 8, 2024

Oliver is steering this ship all alone today and opening up like never before. While sister Kate is away at work, Oliver pours his heart out to actress Robyn Lively for a special episode of Sibling Revelry.The two talk about what it's really like to have mega famous siblings, and would they trade places with their sisters Blake Lively and Kate Hudson?Plus, Oliver goes in depth about his infidelity and why he doesn't regret what he did.And, find out the pact Robyn made with her hubbie Bart Johnson when they decided to have kids.Did either pay a price? Listen to find out.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry. That's good.

Hello, and welcome to solo sibling. Revelry, meaning my sister is a working stiff. I am not. I currently am on spring break. I am drinking a cores light. My kids are running around and I am filling in for my sister and I'm filling in for just, you know, I mean, I feel like this should be a priority and not her acting. But, you know, we're on different pages and that's fine um but i'm happy you know what maybe there's a chance that i'll be better solo maybe all of your write-ins and comments will come in and being like you know what drop the movie star drop the the sister with 18 billion followers who is seemingly the engine behind all of this drop her because the real goddamn talent

is Oliver Hudson. There's a real possibility that that happened. So, yeah, I would appreciate comments about sort of, you know, how I did. Although, you know, I don't need a fucking comment. I know I'm good at this. You know what I mean? I know I know I can do this. And we have a really cool guest on today, or I have a really cool guest on today. Her name is Robin Lively. I have known her since i was six years old um we're going to talk about it but she was she played my my my mom's daughter in wildcats and uh i was deeply and madly in love with her and i'm going to tell her that and uh you know i know i'm married and have a million kids i think she's married with a million kids but i just want to see if there's still a shot you know i mean i think there's only a four year

difference so you never know i worked with her half brother it's uh it's gonna be fun we both have sort of siblings who have reached the pinnacle of fame and stardom and success and uh you know let's see if she's as frustrated as i am that uh i didn't quite fucking make it i mean i did but anyway enough of me ranting please welcome let's bring on let's open the door for robin heavily. How are you? I'm amazing. How are you? Holy shit, you like have not changed. You still look young as shit. You're still beautiful as ever. Yay. Thank you so much. I can't believe how long it's been since I've seen you. Yeah, it's insane. I mean, let me start by saying that I was head over heels in love with you. I mean, oh my God. I mean, I was a young boy, even though I'm 47. So what are we

four years apart, five years apart, or something like that? Yeah, five years. Okay, so obviously right now we're both adults and old and, you know, we both fear death. 100%. But Wildcats, mom did this movie Wildcats, and then Robin was her daughter. And, I mean, man, Brandy played your younger sister. Right. It was more age appropriate.

But I was completely in love with you. I was like, oh, my God, what do I do? This is the sweetest thing I've ever heard. I have a vivid memory of you and Kate out playing, like, on a swing set outside somewhere. Didn't you have cute little glasses? Yeah, I mean. You did, right? Yes, that trip, which was in Chicago, is where it was shot, was very memorable for me.

Purple rain had just come out. And I was obsessed with Prince. And so that album reminds me of being in Chicago with Woody Harrelson and Wesley Snipes before they were anything, you know. Oh, I have the greatest memories on set. And with Woody was like my buddy. And it was, you know, before cell phones. And I remember being on stage. And we all would wait for the stage phone.

and I think we had pageers at the time so Woody was paged by his agent and I was waiting in line to use the phone and he was so excited to get stopped the phone with his agent and he's like oh my God I can't believe it I just booked Cheers I was like are you? Wow Yes yes yes

Wow wow how epic is that oh my God so what when did you get started like you've been an actor for a thousand years right at least at least a thousand when i was three you were three so how did that even happen so my mom are my mom is a model and she was young she started having she she had my my oldest sister when she was 19 so she was really young when she had us so she would drag us everywhere to all of her jobs or and i remember i don't remember this actually but i she told me that they were they were like, oh, your kids are so cute.

You should put them in the ad with you. And then so we started doing commercials and print. We got an agent. And this was all in Atlanta in Georgia. And literally it's just all I've ever known. I think I did my first like National Network commercial when I was three. And then a movie of the week when I was five. And then we moved when I think I was probably like around nine.

We moved to L.A. And then we just kept going and going. Yeah. Yeah. How do you navigate all that? You know what I mean? Like you see Soleil's documentary, you look at all these sort of kids who have been in the game who are all fucked up. You know, how do you manage, how was that managed?

Honestly, I don't know how I have waited so much of it. I feel like I was just, I mean, I was in that circle, you know, and there was a lot of stuff going on. I don't know how I escaped it, all of it, all of the insidious stuff. was happening on sets and I was really young and naive and I feel so fortunate that I came out unscathed you know but it was a different time it was fun and I wasn't a partier I was I've never been like that so I don't think they you know I was welcomed into those groups thank goodness a good thing yeah you know so I just stayed like oh I just was oblivious I had no idea Yeah. No clue. None.

You knew what was going on around you. I did. I did. I kind of did. Yeah. And then I was really good friends with the Corries and that whole group. So yeah, I did know what was going on. I was never really, I was never a part of it. So you just put your head, put your head down and worked. Yeah. Yeah. And then doing that movie Wildcats with your mom was such. angel to me like she just was everything that you would imagine she would be and then some she was just gosh she was so like warm and maternal and she was joy you know she was she made that experience so fantastic uh so memorable she was just the best she really was and i wasn't blonde

by the way that was another nightmare like i had to bleach my hair blonde so that i could look like her for a few scenes and then they wigged me for the rest of the movie yeah well then then you dyed your hair in the movie you know it was a wig right so like all of that for nothing and then i remember like the the it being a big thing about brandy having to say a swear word and it was like all of this commotion around okay you know yeah i mean can you believe how times have changed I know. Crazy. How many kids do you have?

I have three kids. How old? My son is 21. My daughter is 19 today. Oh. I know it's her birthday. And then our son is 16. He just turned 16.

He's driving. I know. Went to the store for me. Yeah. Gosh. It's like Kevin, but I hate it. I know. I have 16, 14, and 10.

Two boys, little girl. Oh, my gosh. oldest is driving he's had a girlfriend for a year so it's like real it's not that kind yeah you know hookup be whatever it is right right sort of buzzword is these days right you know apparently there's one called skibbity now all right oh is that right i thought it was a joke and now all my kids are like yo dad like that's skibbitty i'm like just please shut the fuck up like i cannot i can't i don't i can't i can't decipher what this is is anymore you know it's just so funny to watch them grow up and almost take on kind of the same

stuff that we did you know and a lot of the a lot of the style these days is the same with the big baggy jeans you know and the oversized it's just come full circle it really has you know it really has is your kid in college so uh two of my kids are yeah So my daughter is in New York, my son is home, and, you know, I'm not looking forward to being an empty nestor at all. I know. I'm just not. I can't.

My heart. Isn't there a part of you, though, that essentially you're free? You know, I mean, not that there's any burden on your, the children put any burden on you, but, you know, there's this moment of like, okay, it's horrifically sad, but, you know, now I can, go do anything that I want to do. No. No, you don't have that. Nope. None of it. Like literally none of it.

You wait till your kid is out of the house and you see what that's like. It is brutal. But I see her all the time. I see her all the time, but still, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So going back and growing up, you said you grew up in Atlanta? I mean, grew up. Yes and no.

I was so young when we moved to L.A., but it does feel like, you know, it does feel like home to me. And you have siblings? Lots of family. Mm-hmm. Okay. You have lots of siblings. You have lots of siblings. So the blood, what are your, who are your bloods?

Who are my bloods? Blood siblings. Not the gang, not the gang. I know you're a Chris. What lingo is this? I have two brothers and two sisters, and I'm right in the middle. Of your, that's full blood. Oh, wow.

Oh, you know, that's weird. It's weird for me because, like, they're all, they're my full siblings. You know, there's not one of them that doesn't feel like a full sibling. Mm-hmm. You know, even though we have, there are two that have the different father. They're my siblings, you know. There's nothing about it that's like, people are like, oh, you're half. I'm like, no, screw that.

There's nothing half about, you know? Yeah, no, I know. I know, because we're similar. I mean, Kate and I are full, and then we have Wyatt, who's half. Mm-hmm. And then Boston, who's step, but we're all. You're all family. Yeah, of course.

And you guys all were able to sort of interact and be together as siblings and as a family. Because sometimes, of course, steps and halves, it's, you know, it's not as tight necessarily as it would be if you're just a blood sibling. I guess that could be for sure. I just that wasn't our experience. but the age gap is significant, you know, from the oldest to the youngest. But then as you get older, you know, that gap just closes. You start having families, children, and you're just, there's no, there's no age difference at all. But like, for a long time, my youngest siblings, they were like my babies, you know, carry them on my hip, take them everywhere with me.

And, you know, then that changed, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I worked with Eric. Oh, you did. Yes, a long-ass time ago on a movie called The Breed, which was some like insane horror movie in South Africa, rabid dogs. Oh, my gosh.

That sounds like an amazing film to check it out. We had a good time. I will say that. Did you? Oh, my God. It was, I mean, we were in South Africa. We were in our 20s, early 20s. Oh, that's amazing.

It was me. It was him. It was Michelle Rodriguez. Oh, right. Taryn Manning, Hill Harper. And it was, we would go to the bars or the clubs or whatever and just go right to work. I mean, oh my gosh. We would just go all night and go right to work.

Yeah, and then just straight to work. But Eric and I connected. He was my sort of homie on the show, you know what I mean? love that. Yeah, but I haven't seen him since. What's his deal? What's he doing? Eric is doing amazing. Yeah, he's in L.A. He's doing fantastic. You know what? I completely forgot about that. And now I never saw the movie. I'm going to have to check it out now. But I do remember him saying the best things about you as well. Yeah. Yeah. And are you still acting? Are you still? Are you acting stills up?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, uh, it's been, it's been good, you know, I mean, it's been a bit of a, it's been a journey, obviously, you know, I started kind of late in my 20s, just because it's what my family did. You know what I mean? Of course. I wanted to make, I wanted to make movies growing up. I, I, I directed and wrote and did all of that as a child while my sister was acting and in plays.

I was with my best friend across the street who's now my producing partner still and we would make movies. That's what we did. I went to Boulder for a couple of years and knew that I wanted to be in the movie business but didn't really know where to start. I was a PA for a while and then

I was like, yeah, I can't go down this path. It takes too long, so my family are actors so let me give it a shot. You know, and I did. And I did not take it seriously in any way. way whatsoever and I was still in college mode I was still kind of going out and partying and you know I had this incredible opportunity you know just because of you know just where I was born how I was born so the foot was in the door and I was just blowing it I mean I was hung over

going to auditions and not even looking at the sides you know I was like oh and so I decided to move out of my house because I was still living at home and the comforts of the childhood you know house and i got an apartment with my one of my best friends and i could only afford like the first month the last month and like three months and i said fuck it let's go and that pressure that i put on myself sort of led to my first real gig where i was a lead of a show and on the wb and oh really what was it i don't the wb i remember the wb it was called it was called my guide to becoming a rock star and uh okay it went one season but it You know, then I did Dawson's Creek and then I got a little deal there and then it's sort of, you know, propelled my career, you know.

But yeah, and then I've been consistently and steadily working. I just did a show called The Cleaning Lady that's still on the air, but I got killed. And I have a producing deal at Fox, so I'm producing stuff now. That's so great. I mean, the industry has changed so much. It's insane. Oh, God. I mean, I'm honestly.

It's crazy. I'm in, I wouldn't call them dire straits, but, you know, as an actor, when you have a steady job and you're making a shit ton of money, you're affording a lifestyle, but that is so inconsistent and drops off the face of the planet like this. Right. And so, of course, you have rainy day stuff, but you can jam through that pretty quickly. Yes. And then you are just saying, okay, three kids, private school how am i doing this what do i need to do uh right is it is it legal to sell my body i mean you like goes right you go through all of these you know the podcast instagram i do ads on instagram you know and right now as an actor i've probably never been in a better place as far as my

viability goes but because of the strikes there's just not a lot going on for me but apparently you have a million things you're doing. I don't understand what happened. It's like it's been the best thing for me. Honestly, I've not worked this much in years. Really? It's crazy. It's been really great.

What do you doing? Not how I would, you know. So I'm recurring on Taylor Sheridan's new show, Landman, with Billy Bob Thornton. So I love. With Allie Larder, too, right? Ali Larder, she's amazing. I know, Alan. you do she's oh she's the best um john ham just joined and demi demi more um my husband is recurring as well on it

really yes wow here's a fun story okay here's a fun story so years ago oh gosh like maybe 20 no more more than that long time ago 30 years ago um taylor sheridan was a student in my dad's acting class And I think he was there for years and years. I wasn't, I didn't go to my dad's acting class, you know. I just would pop in here and there. But yeah, so he was my dad's acting class for a year. So my husband knows him. I don't really know him. But anyway, this came around and the roles were completely unrelated.

Like, we're not a couple or anything. And we end up getting on the show together. And it's so cool. How fun is that? So cool. how's it been is it so fun uh it's just been like i'm like pinching myself this is such a cool set and well this is cool i'm excited i'm excited to talk to you about this just this is not inside baseball but just as an actor and you know really digging taylor sheridan and him as a writer

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Listen on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So what is the process like there? I mean, you know, I've done a lot of television sort of in the broadcast space, but are you running and gunning? Are you trying to make days? or is it slow pace and sort of saying, no, let's get this shit right. And how does that work compared to sort of other experiences? Well, okay, so I pop in here and there. So I'm not there all the time.

But I am there for the entire day. So I do see kind of what the pacing is like. But I get the information more from like makeup and hair. They're crossboarding, they're shooting. Always makeup and hair, have all the shit. Always. They know it. They know all.

of it. So, you know, they're doing multiple episodes at once. So I'm like, well, what episode are we on now? What's having? I have no idea. We haven't even completed. They're not completing the episodes. They're just shooting, you know, so there's that it is so crazy to try to keep everything together, especially for their department. Um, but it's, you know, you've got three cameras going all the time. You do not rehearse. You don't. You don't. You You don't. No. You just get there. Here's where you go. Let's do it. Wow. Yeah. I guess we're going to find it then. Here we go. Yeah. It's pretty cool. I mean, I was like, okay, great. Great. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It works, man. I mean, it is a well-oiled machine. And he's got a lot of his crew from Yellowstone. So they're all worked cohesibly together. They all know, you know.

so it just works it's it's really um really cool good for you and then you have other you have other stuff too going on so then uh and then i i am recurring on uh 9-1 one lone star so um i'm doing three more episodes of that good which is working your ass off which is and then i got a movie and i ended up turning it down but i was like this is crazy yeah was it not good it just wasn't good To be honest, it wasn't good, and they weren't paying well. And I was like, well, no one's working. Maybe I should just do it. Yeah.

And then I read it and I was like, no. No. It's like, no back end. Favorite Nation. We're not paying you anything. And it's a ridiculous amount of work and dialogue. I'm like, I just, I don't love it. Yeah.

So I wonder how many feel about this. You with babies, obviously, as you can tell you know not wanting to be an emptiness or having no excitement for that freedom so it tells me that you are just you know an obsessive mother

as I am an obsessive father right I am okay so I have forgone plenty of gigs in my career because of where they were shooting right I just did I mean they want you to

a lead on a series in Toronto I'm like well potentially six years like I can't do that I can't be away from my children in Toronto you know if it's an Albuquerque or Nashville which I've done I can manage too far it's too far almost to the detriment of my career sometimes where I'm just like you guys like I have to I have to just be in this place I'm stemming a lot from you know whatever I went through as a child and my dad kind of not being there. And, you know, I have this sort of hypersensitivity to being there for my kids.

Yes. And making sure that they don't feel in any way what I felt back in the day, you know. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So, you know, I'm not speaking to your childhood, but did you ever have to do that and sacrifice work for that? My husband and I, we made a pact with each other in the beginning because he's an actor as well. And we're like, we won't get a nanny.

We're going to do this all of our, all ourselves. And we're going to make it work. You know, whatever happens, we're just going to do it. Fortunately, I never had to turn down. That would have been so hard. Because, you know, this industry is so like, it's not based on necessarily who's the best for the role, especially now. You know, there are so many, you know, boxes that have to be checked.

So it's not about the best ever. So when you do get those opportunities, it's like, well, how do you turn it down? This may not come around for, you know, who knows how long. But I never had to turn anything down like that. Like, I wish I could say it that I did, but I never had, I never got an offer for a show that was shooting. And thankfully, I didn't because that would have been really hard. But I would have always have chosen my kids over it. always I would have taken them with me or we were like what what are we going to do if we now

the kids are in school this was when they were in like elementary school or like this would be easier but it just worked out I didn't um never got anything that that I had to like make that decision to like turn down a big role yeah but if I'm working rarely are we working at the same time it just doesn't ever work out that way yeah so when I'm working he he holds down the fort and vice versa so it's been great yeah and now they're a lot older so you don't have to worry about it that that's right now i don't have to worry about it so thank goodness but do you ever do you regret any of those jobs that you are like you know i can't do it no i mean regret is an interesting word right um i'm not sure i have many regrets because if i didn't you know it was a choice

that I made, whether it be a positive one or a negative one, which I've made some horrible, horrible choices in my life, just generally. Now, you would think that you would say, oh, I regret doing that, but I don't know where or who I would be if I didn't make a choice, right? Exactly. Yeah. You know? So, of course, I mean, you look back and, you know, we've talked about it, you know, before but you know when i got engaged i something happened psychologically and i spiraled you know what i i mean and i was unfaithful and i was cheating and i was crazy and oh my yeah and she's stuck with you well i told i she i never got caught i told her everything because i couldn't live with myself and yeah you know get married and be married and have children with this sort of weight yeah yeah

was taking silkwood showers, you know, I was crying and being like, oh my God, like, who am I? But then going off and having a drink or whatever. So there was something happening to me psychologically that I had to sort of get through. I told her everything. And she's an amazing woman, you know, and my mother played a big part in it as well, where, you know, it's about looking at the entirety and the totality of the relationship, not just the action, even though it might seem extreme. Let's dig in a little bit into why and looking at the whole person rather than this one affliction. And because I'm a good man, there's no doubt. I'm not malicious and all that. I was going through whatever I was going through. Yeah. And we were able to sort

of therapy and, you know, do all of it and get through it. And honestly, if that didn't happen, I don't know what kind of a person I would be, you know, so do I regret it? I mean, no, I guess not. It's hard to say, right, of course, yeah. You know, I regret causing pain. I don't want to cause anyone any pain, but. Yeah, but you grew so much. Oh, yeah. Oh, gosh. I mean, you became a different person because of that experience.

Yeah, exactly. I think some of our, you know, although some choices might be bad if you can sort of come out the other end of them and learn from why they were bad and how that affected you and everyone else around you, then you're only growing and you're building your toolbox. You know what I mean? That's true. If everything was fucking rainbows and roses, then, well, who are you? Right. Not very interesting, that's for sure.

Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, regret is an interesting word. But, I mean, honestly, like, you know, I have, there's parts of me that wish I was further along that wish that I chose career a little bit more over fun you know um you know I look at my sister my brother you know you you have Blake but you guys are so far apart um and of course you're very six you know happy for her career as I am with my siblings but yes there's always a part of me that's just like fuck man why can I do that why can't I I want to do a role like that I want to do a

role like that. I want to work with people like that. I want to make that kind of money. I don't want to be hustling for everything, you know. Right. Not that it takes away from how I feel about them and my love for them and my gratitude and how happy I'm for the success. But I, I, fuck, I'm not afraid to admit that I have envy. It's just, damn. Yeah. Oh, you know. Yeah. Yeah. It's there. Yeah. I totally understand that for sure. but that hustle is real like my sister's life is it's a lot you know it's a lot of work to maintain that you know it really is and she really was like of all of us she was the most unexpected one to hit that kind of fame because she was so shy she was very shy and so it just happened like

it just happened and I cannot believe it but she and I are like she's my best friend you know we're so close yeah you know I look at my sister too and I'm like well I don't want to have

give me I'll take your money Kate but I don't want to have that kind of fame necessarily that is too gnarly intrusive it is you know and I don't know what your sister's your sister's life is like but like I look at my sister and she's a mama bear you know like that is there is nothing more important to both

of them than their family their family comes first and they manage to really like balance it well it's just it's a totally different life it's a totally different world yeah yeah and i do think like i don't know if i could handle that i really don't but do i have those same feelings you're like oh oh she's getting to work with so-and-so or oh that's so amazing but honestly i am so proud of her you know everything that she's gotten and that she has she's earned um so there's not that but i don't have that piece where i'm envious and and wishing it were me in a sense that in a healthy way you know like i do like oh i would die to work with so and so you know that i do because you know i've been in this industry for so long and i've worked with some people that have

been amazing. I'm like, oh, gosh, what would it be like to work with someone like that? You know, like really work with some like that. Because, you know, I mean, I do independence too. And sometimes I go back to my trailer and I'm like, oh, this is horrible. When you do those low budget indies where people just are clueless and you just want to kill yourself. You're like, what am I doing? I've been in this industry for how long? Why am I doing this? Oh, my God. I did this independent movie it was a long time ago but like it was called the smokers and we were in canosha wisconsin and i get to set and the makeup person is there and she is not trained in standard makeup she's an she's an effects makeup person right and i'm sure the budget on this movie is like

three and a half dollars and i'm like okay so we have no trailers so they're doing the makeup outside side. And, you know, I'm talking with my friends and doing what, tan, doing the makeup, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, all done. I'm like, okay, cool. I'm cruising around. No, no.

I haven't shot yet, but I'm like, I go pee and I go pee. And I look in the mirror to wash my hands. And it's, I have like, I look like a mime. It's white. It's like, oh, it's white, white, white, white, white, like clown white. I'm like, what the fuck is happening? Oh, no. I mean, it was, I started laughing in the mirror because it was so insane that I was like hysterically laughing.

So I just washed my face off. Yeah. And then I said, you know what? I'm good. I don't need makeup anymore on the show. We're fine. I'm 22 years old or 23. Like, my skin is fine.

Like, let's just skip this process. Oh, no. That is the worst thing I've ever heard, but I can totally relate. my husband we did another movie we did a movie together at one point again it was like this one was didn't have a great budget and the same thing he came out and I said what is happening don't let them do that to your face right like what like he doesn't know I'm like wipe it off you don't need your face is like white yeah it's horrible it's horrible but he wouldn't have known you know great you know he's just like okay cool

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I look at them pretty much broadcast TV where it's like, bang, bang, bang. You get two takes, and if you ask for a third, like, you know, it's just like, oh, shit, okay, you change the dial, like, it's just bang. And then I talked to Kate and Wyatt were they almost famous. There's band practice. And then Wyatt is rehearsing for three weeks for this movie. Can you imagine rehearsing for three weeks? No. Oh, my God.

I'd probably win Emmys and Academy Awards. Right. We would. Totally. I'm like, I'm just like showing up on set with a script that had just changed three hours ago. I'm like, okay, here we go. Yeah, yeah, right. But looking back at all those independent.

movies too i had so much fun i mean as a young kid yeah strange movies in canosha wisconsin and all over the country in these weird-ass places i mean i had such a blast memories every every they are even the bad ones like you're saying even the bad ones um i was to tell you this one other one another another independent i did where i'm not kidding the first a d it was when we had women were it was just primarily the whole crew. It was just a crew full of women. And she was our first AD, didn't have a clue what she was doing. And my girl literally sat herself, basically in the scene with us, sat down on an apple box

so she could watch the show, had her snacks. And I was like, you know, you guys, do we not? Do we just not, you know? Literally sat on an apple box and just eating her snacks, watch, just watch. show she was enjoying it oh my god that's amazing but those you know you just gotta laugh oh yeah yes yes yes oh for sure for sure um and so you know that uh so ryan i met ryan a long long time ago i wrote a script called stardom d um b and this before he was anything and then he you know was going to do it and we didn't we didn't end up even making the movie

And then my wife actually dated him for like six months. She did? Yeah. Her name at the time. Her husband was Aaron Bartlett. And, uh, okay. Yeah, so he's the greatest person in the world. I fucking love him.

I just saw him actually speaking engagement. And, uh, but he is someone who I would try to emulate, honestly. Yes, right. I just love. his soul and his heart and his humor and his intellect of this business and he's got such a unique tone you know Ryan is definitely someone to sort of like look up to and he seems like an amazing father you know amazing yeah and husband husband and their relationship is so fucking cute you know what I mean where they're good to each other are yeah yeah

They're a real, like, shiny example. Yeah, for sure. Yep. For sure. Yep. He is all of those things and then some for sure. Yeah. And that dude works hard.

Oh, my gosh. And prioritizes his family above everything, you know. Which I think you have to do, you know. It's easy to screw up your children in this kind of a business. There's no doubt about it, you know. Right. Yeah. You know, that's why he's been really smart.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah, he's a good dude. It's been really cool to see going from, like, Green Lantern to now. It has been unbelievable to see, like, how his career and all of it, he's just so smart. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he is. Everything that he's doing, so smart. He's a branding genius, too. Yeah, he is. Yeah.

did you ever do you and your husband ever get jealous that you're both you're both actors and whether you have scenes and you know is there any sort of hesitancy or jealousy when it comes to all that like with the two of us yeah yeah meaning like you have a love interest on a show or he's got to do this or is it you know oh you know you're going to think i'm just making all this up But, like, it hasn't really been a thing. Like, we haven't had, which is so bizarre. Like, you would think that we would be faced with that kind of stuff. But all of those kinds of scenes happened in my 20s.

So, I mean, it could still happen. But we haven't really been faced with anything like that yet. But, you know, we've got 25 years under our belt now. Of marriage? Yes. Wow. But I can't imagine, 25 in September. But I can't, I wouldn't, I don't think I would love it, you know, right.

I'd say I'd love it. Right. Are you in L.A. now? Yeah, in L.A. Mm-hmm. I want to get out of here. I mean, I'm in the desert right now, but kind of over L.A. Everybody is.

I think we're going to, we're going to piece out too. Are you really? Mm-hmm. Well, I mean, there's no point. Like, there's, there are no in-person auditions anymore. exactly and the babies are gone so this is what's allowing you the opportunity to leave so my kids are so ingrained they have their friends and i could never do that no not yet you can't i know do you still keep in touch with woody at all or no i wish he

woody was when i think back on that film the people that i was the closest to it was woody I was friends with Nick Oh my God But really it was Woody Nick was awesome Nick was great But it was really Woody He was my buddy

Yeah He was my bud And then No I don't I haven't seen him Oh I don't even remember Last from my mom How old were you in that movie?

13 13 which means And his brother Do you remember his brother He would always bring his brother on set? No Oh really? Yeah

Yeah He was really close with his brother. His name was like Brett or Brent or something like that. 13. So I was seven. You're like eight? Seven or eight? Eight.

Eight. Wow. Crazy. And this is the first time that we've seen to talk to each other literally since then. I can't believe it. I really can't believe it. That movie was so much fun. It was such a great.

I took it for granted. I didn't know. You know, I was young. and just like, oh, great, I got a movie and, you know, I don't have no idea. Yeah. Just used to working. And, I mean, to this day, I, there's not a, even the bad ones. I'm like, oh, it's such a gift to still do what I love, to be able to still do what I love.

And, like, never had a regular job. Like, that's unbelievable, you know? Lucky. I love what I do. Like, I love every, every bit of it. Yeah. I just love it. I can't imagine ever doing something.

Well, you won't. You have like 80 jobs right now, okay? So not only now, not only am I envious of my sister and my brother, but now are you. Because I need a goddamn job. So, you know. Robin,

talk to some people. Yeah, I will. Talk to some people. Hook me up. I'm going to. I'm going to. I will. All right.

Well, it's good talking to you. I'll let you go. This is really fun. I appreciate you. It was so good to see you. Oh my gosh. So happy when I got the call. I was like,

yes, of course. I know. I talked to mom too. She's here in the desert with me. I'm like, oh my God, I'm talking to Robin. She's like,

holy shit. She, you need to tell her. Yeah. I still have let her know. She gave me a little gold whistle, little necklace. And I still have it.

But she was just the yummiest. Yeah. I know. She's the best. You know. She's the best. well good luck with everything you know what maybe now one day we'll work together i have a weird feeling let's do it wouldn't that be fun yeah and then you'll get to see what what an incredible

actor i actually am and that i'm gonna go look at all your stuff how way more talented than them they just got luckier okay they just got lucky that's it i've got way more talent than kate white mom kurt everyone combined yeah they're just luckier that's the that's the way i deal with my pain. I really hope that we do. Wouldn't that be so much fun? It would be fun. Let's make it happen. We will. We will. We'll manifest it as they say these days. Let's do it all over. Well, you have grown up. You were so cute. You were a doll then. I didn't have a crush on you then. Just, you know, because you were way too young. That's okay. There's still time. Yeah. There's still time. That's true. Yeah. We'll work on it. All right, cool. All right, Robin,

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