Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - A Slam Dunk with Malika and Kendra Andrews

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Sisters and sports reporters, Kendra and Malika Andrews are winning in the world of broadcasting. They join Oliver to talk about how they BOTH landed one of the most coveted jobs on TV.  Plus, find out what the sisters really think about LeBron, Steph Curry, and what could happen in the NBA Playoffs.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And would it's like to be siblings? We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling. That's good

This is going to be a short intro because I have my guests in the waiting room right now But I just wanted to say that I wish that I didn't have as many sunspots as I do Because I just have so many I grew up in the sun like burning my face off like with no sunblock of course It's like the 70s. And I've got so many sunspots. And I'm only saying this because I just did this movie. And there's one that appears like right between my up on my forehead, like right between my eyes. And I'm like, holy shit.

What is that? And it's a sunspot. And now they're on my cheeks. Anyway. Oh, and then, and then this is where I was going. And then I'm playing this part where I have to be like really, really tan. and they have to spray tan me and the spray tan like sticks

to these weird pigmentation on my skin it looks like I've like blotchy everywhere I don't know I don't know I got anyway I don't know what I'm even telling you assholes this but I here's what's more important we got Maliki and Kendra Andrews

sitting in the waiting room I'm a huge basketball fan so I'm very excited to talk to these ladies and see how they grew up how they got into sport and let's let's do it bring them in let's have a combo hi hello how are you guys good how are you I'm good I'm very good I'm uh yeah I just finished a movie um I said happy Gilmore 2 well so that's a good thing to be that that that is a that is a recipe for happiness right there oh my God it was so crazy anyway I just got home from New Jersey but it was

well welcome yeah New Jersey I'm home you know now there's fucking candy everywhere everywhere okay you know what I mean yeah I did a liver cleanse and it's doing intermittent fasting because I'm 48 and I drink too much liquor and I smoke too many cigar I'm just like I got to get my shit together and it was great yeah I did about a month of it I lost weight I looked great I was working out I was doing Pilates and then of course I go to New York New Jersey to do this show and I start it all everything happens in New Jersey there's a bar at the hotel and all of a sudden I'm drinking again and then Halloween comes along and yeah And then you're going in and getting a little leftover, a little bite-sized piece.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like my weed. I smoke my weed and I would be good with not eating after seven because I just will power. Yeah, yeah, the intermittent fasting. But now I come home and I'm like, holy fuck, there's an entire tray of Rice Krispy treats downstairs. So we live in a neighborhood.

We moved in Los Angeles and we moved here three, four years ago. And there's tons of children in our neighborhood, tons and tons and tons of families and children. And we moved from New York City where, you know, the trick-or-treating scene is very like the buildings and that's kind of it. So we saw these kids all over and we're like, oh, great. Like, this is going to be our first, like, real. So we went to, and my husband was so, so excited. We went and got like bags and bags of candy. And Dave was like all, you know, sitting by the door, like, waiting for trick-or-treaters to come. And all night long, not a single trick-or-treater came. What?

What? That's so soft with all of the nice candy because all of the children in our neighborhood are really conservative. It's a really conservative Jewish neighborhood. And so it's not their holiday. They celebrate other holidays, but Halloween is not one of the, you know, Hasidic Jewish people tend to serve at least in our neighborhood. I know where you live. They was so sad.

And then I was just sitting eating that candy for like still four years later. And I'm just like, because we had all those enormous bags. That's amazing. I know. I've never seen it. That's amazing. Years ago, I was actually, I was on Fairfax and Fairfax. There was like a heavily, heavily Jewish neighbor in Fairfax.

And I was going to my car. I don't think it was Saturday. And this guy comes over and he asked me to, I go up into his apartment to open up his refrigerator and turn lights off and stuff. Oh, yeah, because you can't turn the lights on it off. Yeah, yeah. I had to go in this, in this man's apartment. Yeah.

Okay. You're like, fine. Stairs. See, but that is in all of that, like that type of humanity, that's where I find hope. And, like, people turning on lights for each other. Yeah. Well, like, you know what? Like, that is where I'm just going to choose to believe in that goodness that still

exists. We're all human beings. Can we just, like, love each other? I know it sounds kind of crazy. But, like, we're all humans at the end of the day. And we all love and we all feel pain and we all have our problems. Like, why can't. we relate on something deeper, you know, rather than sort of policy or this or this or that?

You know, I know it affects the way we live and all of that. And that's okay. But at the end of the day, can we just, like, kind of all find some love? Because really, who gives a fuck about anything else in this? You know what I'm saying? That's a, is that black eyed piece song? Where is the where is the love? I took the black eyed piece Peloton ride the other day, Kendra. Have you taken that yet? no i've paused my peloton account i have you did lacking on the peloton i like i've been thinking selling the peloton bike honestly you're going you're on a gym kick right now but the other day i went to the gym and i forgot gym shoes and so i was halfway there and i was realized i was wearing my loavers

and so i turned around i love the pal i love the peloton i like i mean you've got alex who's always been like to hit is great he's the staple Cody's good you know I used to do it like every single day. And then I moved apartments last summer and I joined a new gym. And then I just was like, especially living alone, there's some days where I'm like, wow, I haven't seen or talked to another human being all day. And so going to the gym, I'm like, oh, there's my dose of being social. I might have spoken to anyone at the gym. Have you done those inceleration pull-ups, Kendra?

Not the ones when you go up, but the ones you go down. I did those the other day I couldn't like lift my arms for like treating you're my motivation because you're you're better at those than I am well it's my goal to be able to do one

singular pull up and how close are you to doing that? You know I did Hulk out last week and just like ripped one out and then I was like oh it's amazing you did and then I tried it again and I have it with no band or nothing no band I was just like standing around

and I just was like, how tall are you? I am 5'8. Okay. And you have long arms-ish? Yeah, I think I'm more legs than arms, but you're more legs. Yeah, you're more legs. You jokes that Malika has T-Rex arms in our...

Hey. Well, that means Malika should be able to do like at least five pull-ups. I am still working on my one, but the band has gone way down, thanks to Kendra's. pushing me so the band has gotten much later and now I'm working on the deceleration one so I get that control kind of gauge those lats yeah yeah yeah I'm working on that where did you guys grow up so we grew up in the bay area you did yeah we grew up in Oakland and were you just you guys the only siblings or do you have more it's just us too and who's older I am two and a half years okay she texted me the other day and she goes hey you know that jacket uh well first I

I was looking for a pair of shoes for like two months. And I was like, where are those shoes? And I texted her. I said, do you happen to have these shoes that I've been looking for? She was, oh, yeah. And by the way, that jacket that you were when you were in town the other day, because, you know, it's always cold when I go back up to the bay from Los Angeles, those AirPods that you've been looking for, you left them in the pocket.

And I said, that was August. You let me buy a whole new pair. Literally, I had to wear that jacket in months and I put it on. honestly one of the greatest things about winter is when you put it on a jacket that you hunt for and you're like oh this lip golf here's a box right sunglasses

yeah exactly I'll be getting those back at Thanksgiving but yeah we grew up in the Bay Area our dad is a personal trainer so that's where we kind of get a little bit of the gym competition stuff from and then our mom

is an art teacher and artist art teacher but yeah we grew up in Oakland. That's where you get your artistry and your commentary, right? That's where you can get flowery and you can... My mother would be, my mother would be nodding along and do it. Yes, she would shoot very much like that. But neither one of us, could you draw it, Andy?

No, I can't. I was doodling the other day and I looked at it afterwards. I was like, what is this? Yeah, I have one doodle and it's the same doodle every single time. Then it's literally like, I just draw a little like, swirlies. Yeah. And kind of like can figure that is the...

Isn't that weird? We all have it. I do arrows. No idea why. I just draw arrows. And it's kind of crazy when you know, talking about people as people that someone has the exact same two, you know,

10 fingers, two hands that I do and creates what, you know, Monet did. And I try to do it. And it's like, ooh, that's not great. But it's so good because I even feel like in some other aspect.

of my life. Like, I don't know if you felt this when you write a story or if you've ever like worked on a project and you felt this too. But like sometimes I'll write a story or I'll do something and I'll look back at it a couple hours later. I'm like, I did like, did I do that? Like there's no way that was my brain to my hand. Like, why? Because you're like, I'm so brilliant. Yes. It's terrible. I'm sorry. You are. You are. But no, but in all honest, you'll read it back or listen to it back and be proud is that your energy was the energy we're speaking on was like you can't believe this came from you oh my god i i i have that it's funny i'm an actor and i don't think i've watched myself once and been like yeah man that's great but for

some reason not really i don't like watching myself i mean there's moments from like that's good okay that was acceptable and then i was like oh god i look 85 there oh god that fucked i mean But don't you find that that's what happens, at least for me, when I watch it back, I watch back a lot of shows that a lot of episodes of MBA today and MBA countdown. And when I watch it back the first time, unless it's really a train wreck, I oftentimes, which isn't very often, I'm often times like, oh, you nailed that. And the more times I watch it back, the more sort of zoom in on the granular, oh, you can do that quite right there. But the funny thing is, that's only how we watch ourselves. That's not how I watch Kendra. When I watch camera do something, it's the opposite.

It's sort of like, oh, she nailed it. Yep, no, no, no, she nailed it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm the opposite. I mean, it's a little different because you're trying to play a part, you know what I mean? You're saying lines. You're trying to, you know, play a part, you know, and I'm the opposite. I go granular and then move out. So I have to watch myself like 10 times before I can actually just watch it and be, you know, just be objective and just be like, you know, okay.

But when I first see it, I'm like, oh my God, I'm like losing it. I, you know, that's why I don't really watch shit. I just did the Drew Barrymore show and it went well. How was that? It was great. I'm actually going to go back and do it again. I'm going to do like five or six of them. I think she's fabulous.

And also the like intimacy on the couch and, you know, putting your feet. I was in a meeting earlier today with someone who put their feet on the couch. And I wasn't sure I was allowed to put my feet on the couch. And it was like a mental game back in front that I was playing. Like, can't I put my feet on the couch? couch can I not? And she's just like, here's the permission to be comfortable. I think it's a very cool interview setting. No, it was great. It was great. It had a couple segments, you know, because I basically, I did Hollywood squares with her and she asked me about, I've known her for a little bit. She asked

about a relationship question, you know, for her. She hasn't dated in eight years. And I just sort of philosophize about men and women and relationships and then sort of infuse her life into it. And Drew's amazing. She says, oh my God, like this weight has been lifted. I'm like, she'll I want you to come on the show. So basically I was on there as some sort of relationship guru, even though my only experience is my own relationship and then being in therapy for a thousand fucking years. But it was really, really fun, you know,

where these women were calling in and getting a perspective from sort of a male who was in a relationship and it's pretty candid in the way that he speaks, meaning myself. And it went off really well. And it was fun. And, you know, I, one of my great friends is Tay Diggs.

And we've talked about doing a daytime male talk show, meaning how come it can't be men? You need to cast the right men and, you know, have known Tay for a million years. And he's an extremely sensitive dude and very curious and unafraid, you know, to be himself. Oh, the rent was the soundtrack of our childhood. Yeah. Tay was very much a... Yeah. Yeah.

So we were sort of trying to seed this idea with Drew to maybe one day. Any, well, Kendra, any relationship advice? I'll see myself. So, well, no. During when Malika got married, a dear family friend of ours was the officiant. And she has given not just life advice. She has such, just like an amazing... I died as really great.

On life. And I've always told her she has given me some of the best advice throughout my life. I've known her. We've known her since we were babies. And she gives amazing relationship advice. And I was telling her this because she was nervous about doing the ceremony.

I was like, no, die. Like you give the best relationship advice. Like just give them advice. Like you give such good advice. And during the ceremony, she literally said, she goes, I've been told I give really good advice. So anyone here who needs them, Malika and Dave at the altar both whip their head around and look at me.

And I'm like, we're just second. I gave me good advice the other day, actually. I was, you know, kind of a little bit worried, you know, the state of the world, the direction that we're going in, where is humanity going, kindness, you know, how can that be on the forefront? And I was, we had breakfast the other day. And she said to me, but she, I noticed she took her phone out and he kind of like did this earlier in the breakfast and she put it down and she said to me, well, look at this and

she pulled up her phone and she turned it around and she'd taken a picture of a man and his son who were having dinner or excuse me having breakfast kind of across from us. And she goes, that right there is what you need to hold on to because everywhere you look, there's going to be a man having breakfast with his kid. If you look to your leg, there's going to be a couple maybe on their first date if you look over like that's the way that she sees the world and that's the way that I think more people need to see the world like that's amazing I fucking love that and that's that's the way that you should be going through that's true and that's not dissimilar to sort of what I was saying is like we're not it's it's it's not all going to end one way or another you know people

are still going to be going about their days love is still going to exist and it's sort of how we choose to sort of where we choose to put where we choose to put our energy you know what I'm saying like it is what it is, it's going to be what it's going to be. But I love that. There are going to be people having dinner, father, sons. There's going to be tears. There's going to be laugh. There's going to be joy. There's going to be all of it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah. And that's what you have to find. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love

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So we got to, I got to talk about you guys for a second. Oh yeah. Holy shit. But give me a little window into sort of how you grew up in San Francisco, you know. Kendry, you go, you're giving the Oakland, you're giving us an Oakland tour. Because I want to get to sports athletics. I'm a huge basketball fan, a huge Lakers fan, you know, but I want to know how sort of all of this evolved and how you guys got to where you got to.

I, I don't know, we grew up, so we grew up in Oakland, which is about 25, 30 minutes outside of San Francisco. Right. You're in Oakland, right. Proudly. You notice how we slipped. We kindly slip that in, but not San Francisco. No, I know.

You're kindly correcting. No, I think, you know, we grew up. Like, it's such a normal way. Like Malika mentioned, our parents before, a fitness trainer and artists, art teacher, uh, who've been married for, you know, over 30 years. And they're both Bay Area locals and, and, and they, just wanted us. I think they come from two different like families where our mom has this huge family, crazy, loud, Jewish, rambunctious family. And my dad is from a much smaller, quiet,

or softer spoken family. But I think he always loved the craziness that came with our mom's family. And so we were, you know, just brought up in this, again, big, loud, crazy, everyone in each other's business. But I think it made for us. a very, like, I don't know, fun, loving life. Malika, jump in here wherever. Yeah, I mean, in your relationship was from the get, always great. It's kind of wild to me. Kendra and I have always been close.

We've been close our entire lives. And so it's always interesting for me to hear other people's sort of sibling dynamics, even people I'm very close to, my friends, Dave, the way that they talk about their siblings. Because for me, Kendra's sort of always been, of course, There were times that I tried to suffocate her with a pillow because she was snoring. And I didn't realize that if I put a pillow over, I had to make her stop snoring. It's because I was making her stop breathing. I'm still sorry for that.

But I was seven. I have no idea of my bad. But like, Kendra and I've been close our entire life. Even when, you know, I went to boarding school and was away from her for the majority of four years, like we were close the entire time. We've always enjoyed doing similar things. even when I was in a soccer phase and she was in more of a dance phase or whatever it was, we've always been really close.

And so it's always really interesting to me when I hear about siblings as being anything other than sort of your soul that lives outside of your body, right? Because that's always what Kendra and I have been. And then we look pretty similar. People used to kind of confuse us a little bit. Our voices when you get us on the phone are very, very similar. when I plucked all my eyebrows out as a kid.

I plucked all of hers out because there's no way in hell she was going to have the good brows. Anything my sister has done to me in my life, nothing is as bad as when she plucked all my eyebrows out of my face. Oh, she plucked your eyebrows. It was the early 2000s. No one had eyebrows.

No, I know. I remember. They grew back. It's fuck. Shout out. Shout out to Lily Collins really quickly because I feel like she helped trailblaze the thick eyebrows. community in the blind side. So thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the thick eyebrows, but then they got a little too big and now I like where they're at now. We're in a good eyebrows space. We're in a good eyebrow moment. My point is I dragged her down with me. She brought me back up with her. Like there's definitely a lot of that going on.

So Kendra and I've always been really, really close to the point that our group chat, me, Kendra and Dave, our group chat name is Fave Fam. And my mother saw that at one point. And even though it's just the two of us and we're siblings, the two is very affected, that we could even think of ourselves as like, she's my favorite. She's my sister.

She's my baby sister. Did you guys grow up? It sounded like you grew up with a very loving family, with very loving parents. Yeah, we really did. So that is probably one of the reasons why you guys are also so close, you know. I kind of mentioned for my mom,

our mom is one of four. And so she understands the value of siblinghood and sister. She's two sisters, one brother, sisterhood through having that and how close he was. Our dad's an only child. And he values sisterhood and siblinghood through the fact that he didn't have that. Yeah. We wanted us so badly to have that, just like unbreakable relationship. And like the greatest thing that our parents have always done is,

I mean, set us up for nothing but success. And I think Malika will agree with me at some points. There are moments when we were growing up. There's like, why are you doing this to me? Right? And I think it's a very common for any adolescent, any child is you're, you're ruining my life and why. And then now when we're sitting here in our mid and late 20s, we can look back and say, oh, that is exactly why. And we're so much better off of it. And yeah, fuck, I hope my kids say the same thing about me. Well, I think you would stick up for me. Like, Kendra would go to bat for me. When I would get into it with my parents,

which in my teenage years, I really, really did. Kendra would, like, go back to my dad after he literally took my door off. Remember that? When he literally took out of drill and took my door off of the handle. And would say, like, you know, oh, she was always going to bat for me. And so I think it's super cliche. But growing up, my dad would always say, you know, your sister's your best friend. I would sort of roll my eyes and say, no, insert name of friend here is my best friend

or insert this gal I go to the mall with is my best friend. And fast forward, truly, you know, I, Hender has so many friends I can't even keep up with anymore. You're making friends left and right. But I have a very small circle. I'm like you. I have a few friends. I don't know.

People are like, who's your best friend? I'm like, does my sister count? Right. You know, I have a handful. but she's kind of at the top of the list all the good and all of the our minds are also really similar the same things make us anxious yeah like hyper fixate on certain things we both you know so yeah no i know i know i mean my i've said this before but you know we came from sort of a divorce not sort of a divorce situation where my sister needed me um to be her older brother

but I couldn't do it because I didn't have the capacity to do that. You know what I'm saying? And it fractured our relationship, but not in a sense that there was an inciting incident. It was just the circumstances. And only later in life did we actually come together and really sort of find each other and fall in love essentially. you know what I'm saying like um but it took a minute yeah i think something that had malika kind of mentioned it before and it's and it could have i think gone that direction what you're saying and what you're talking about with your your childhood and growing up in relationship with your

sisters when malika went to boarding school i think that that could have been a moment like because we really i think there was a span malika correct me but like for three four months we just didn't get to talk because of the circumstances and that could have been a place where you really just I got to carry on with my life you need to do you and we kind of went our opposite ways and I think in some crazy and amazing way it brought us so much closer together and it like helped us build this bond where we don't we don't need to talk every day some people are at they're like how's your like how's malika I'm like jeez like I we don't have we don't have have these cats. You're like, I have no idea.

Talk to her. I like to work sometimes. They're like, oh, I saw your sister. I was like, oh, how is she? Like, we don't have, we don't have these great catch-up conversations. Yeah. I love that. That's how my, that's how we are with my family. You know, you guys are on the road. You guys are doing your shit. Like, and, you know, my family's the same way. I mean, why it's in Australia. Kate's in New Jersey. I was just in New Jersey. Kurt's in Australia. Mom's over here. We're always working. So it's, we just know that it's the love as will always be there and it doesn't have to be checking in all the time like hey you're bringing to let you know i love you as you were talking i just i realized i have a two-minute

voice memo that i still need to listen to from you that i'm sorry i'll get back i haven't listened to it yet by bad when every once in a while we we get into that communication and it's it's that whole but it's not it's never this recap of what's happened what's gone it's just let's just talk in present time and what's on your mind what's what are you what are you doing what's going on here but it's it's this it's i don't know we've just i feel like have this was there ever any envy or jealousy you know or anything like that i mean there has to was there any friction i think as a younger sister like as the younger sibling there's always going to be a little bit of jealousy right like whether it's like why did she get to she got to do this and i didn't get to do this or she

get to stay out later than I do or whatever it is. I think that there's always, but there's never, I don't think that we've ever actually had a like a full on sibling fight where things are like, not like an adult one. I mean, we've had, you know, kids once. Yeah, I don't play with me or whatever,

but not as an adult, no. But I think I will say, you know, we kind of forwarding school, uh, residential treatment. that's where I kind of was for four years. I did feel a little bit when I came back because I didn't see you for the large part of four years. I see you like maybe once a year-ish.

It's sort of like you miss all of this stuff that happens. And so there's a lot between the ages of 12 and 16. Like you became a whole person and I wasn't there. care for it, right? So I do think there is still whether or not we talk about it or whether or not I say this. There's still a little part of me that feels like I missed out on seeing at least every day some of your most formative years. You didn't miss much. I thought this. You know, not to, we're going to be charging you a co-pay for our family therapy session, but, you know, I do feel a little bit of that.

And so... Well, there's guilt behind that or no? It's not so much guilt. Because you were just doing what you were doing. You were just living your life. That's true. But I do think there's a little bit... I remember distinctly when Kendra went to her senior prom,

something that I, you know, as a boarding school kid, never did. I distinctly remember seeing that and saying to myself, oh my gosh, this isn't the 12-year-old that I left. She is a whole person. Wow. And so now, you know, and when you're that close, when you're as close as we are, that's weird. When it's, when you're, you know, siblings who just sort of live in the same house, I think that maybe that's fine. But for me, it was something that I really said to myself, gosh, like I don't feel guilty now, but I do feel like I missed something.

And I don't want to miss anything else. So I think that that was a little bit of that feeling because as much as we described how close you were and how much we did and how much our lives mirrored. at each other, those couple of years was the first time we weren't the Andrews sisters. It was Malika over here and Kendra over there. Right? Did boys ever get in the way? Meaning like, oh, she's a boyfriend,

like taking me away from my sister. No. One of them out of them are like, oh, not going to feel like, there was a, I've only got you because I was like, man, I wish that would have been kind of a cool. I'm like playing back all the guys that we went to high school.

And they're like, I'm just like, oh, No. I like Dog Kendra's boyfriends. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local.

And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians.

I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might live. lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the

country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care.

Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not.

Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin, so like it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a tape recorder statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of a Colleen slimmer. She started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee.

Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life

On the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. But Malika, why did you go to boarding school and Kendra, you did not? I went to boarding school because I had some mental health attitude You did. That I needed to kind of confront. And so there was, Kendra, I always sort of wondered whether Kendra had some of those same demons that I did, but they weren't at the point where I had them. And so, at least at that time, right? And so I went to boarding school.

Kendra didn't. Did you want to go to boarding school? Or was this sort of like, you're going to boarding school? I mean, I got threatened with military school. You know, I was like, you're going to boarding school. I was like, you're going to go to military school. I mean, mom, I'm like, mom, you're never fucking sending me to military school. It was too big.

Some parents will make good on that problem. Boarding school, I would have maybe gotten scared, but I'm like, mom's not sending me a military school. Yeah. She's not. My parents made good on that, on that promise. And it was, I recognized, right? It was serious enough that I recognized I needed some sort of help.

I don't think I realized when I was leaving home that I was going to be gone for as long as I was and having to sort of. do as much work as I did. Life-changing, would you say? Yeah, I mean, it's made me who I am, right? Certainly formative, right? I was gone from 14 to 18. And so I think that that sort of Kendra was, you know,

you talk about sports and all these other things. Kendra was sort of, she likes to say that it was her idea to go into this industry first. And I can admit it was. Like she sort of in high school was going towards this, right? She was sort of already looking towards this career. path, and I was just kind of trying to put one foot in front of the other, I think, in a little bit different of a way. But I think later right now, when I say that we have the same sort of worries and anxieties,

and I think that we're much more similar in the way that we sort of think about the world now. And so that's something that I think brings us together, too, because when I say, oh, this is something that I'm worrying about, she goes, I got you. I was worried about like three days ago. Like this is how I, you know what I mean? Right. There's comfort in that camaraderie.

A hundred percent. I think we think about the world very, very similarly. And so I think that that helps us and the way that talk. When you were, when your parents were going to send you to boarding school, were you upset with them or did you understand at that time? Because you're so young. I think it happened so quickly that there wasn't really time to sit back and look at the 30,000-foot view of everything. Got it.

Right. I think it was something. that steamrolled so fast that it was not something that I said, oh, okay, because I wasn't given the opportunity to say, oh, okay, not like this is the four-year plan. It was sort of, this is the plan today, and you need that sort of help. And I think explaining that to Kendra was also, you know. Yeah. I mean, I think for probably most of those four years, I didn't know, like I didn't know what was going on because like as much as i always like malika said would protect her and as unhappy of a person you were when we were together you were always happy and so for me there was

like well there's no signs that she's dealing these inner demons because we always have a great time and also again like i'm 12 years old it's kind of hard to to start having these you know topics that luckily over the past however many years like the topic of mental health has become so open which is important but back then you know this is 2000 9 2010 how do you like explain you're explaining to your sixth grader like what depression is and what like how these things come about it's it's you know harder and I do think that that also like directed me on my own as Malika was saying, like, my own mental health journey in a very, in a very different way. He's saying, I got you into therapy. Is that what you're saying?

You are the reason why I'm in therapy. I'm just kidding. Well, I mean, this is really amazing, a cool conversation. You know, I mean, I've, I'm on Lexa Pro. I've had anxiety, you know, for a long-ass time. And it's something that I've been dealing with since I was 23 or 24. I'm 48 years old. And, you know, I watch. I watched my son sort of suffer through it a little bit for about a month, month and a half. I had to take him out of school.

I'm very versed in it, you know. And for me, it was about sort of discovering where it came from through therapy, meditation, journaling. I went to this place called the Hoffman Institute, which was really incredible. You know, going through this process of what do I have to be, what's going on? You know, I mean, yes, I came from a product of divorce, but life is pretty fucking good. you know what i'm saying um discovering sort of is it a chemical imbalance or is this something else and it was a i guess a little bit of both you know but sort of unpacking your shit and trying to figure out where it all is coming from it's it's it's arduous it's hard it's gnarly

and the other thing too is half of that of unpacking and learning the roots of it and the thing that i've always struggled with in my life i always tell people you people, or if I start, I've seen a couple different therapists over the different stages of my life. And now I can walk into a session and say, oh, I can tell you exactly the reasons why I am the way I am. I just don't, I don't do a good job at dealing with it. It's the moving forward. I understand why I'm the way I am. But the coping skills, I think that's the other half of therapy and just getting to know your mental health and your brain is like really, really difficult to do. Oh, my God, totally. I totally. And then we're going to move on to other stuff. But this is such a topic I love talking about. But it's so true. And my wife said something early, early on. She said, yeah, you see it. You understand what your problems are. But you really haven't done anything to try to fix it. I'm like, oh, yeah. You're kind of right.

I think that the, you know, the question what's wrong is fundamentally flawed because oftentimes with my own journey through all of this, and I've talked about it before, is that this isn't a beginning, middle, and end story, right? It's ongoing. And oftentimes there isn't an answer. Kendra when we were kids, you know, she would try to ask me, like, Mika, what's wrong? And I didn't have an answer. for her and I still don't have an answer now because oftentimes there isn't a moment or a thing that happened and I remember wishing at times for a simple answer to that question so that I could explain what's wrong and so someone could give me advice about what happened and then everything moves on and it's just not that neat but that's what's kind of cool with because we think so similarly in that way I think both Kendra and I have sort of this unspoken language that if you don't have that with someone try to find it because like that's so great and it's just so spot on i mean i'm literally going through this right now where i have this weird anxiety not

debilitating but in my throat and i'm like what the fuck is going why yeah and then just through you know my experience with it for years and years i'm like well who cares it's there and like just okay accept it and live like i don't know stop asking so many questions, I guess. Yeah, right. Okay, we did our mental health stuff. I wish it was so simple, right? I wish you could just check it off of it in a ball.

Good, we did that check. We're all healed. Everyone's healed. Perfect, done. I'll talk about ball, how this happened. You guys work together on ESPN, basically, right? Basically. Yeah.

On the days we're lucky. You know, it's so funny because like we go going back to like our family are because both of our parents worked growing up but they still do and our family time after school after work was dinner and then what NBA game is on and yeah let me paint you a picture there were no iPod iPads to watch your own individual movie after dinner Netflix didn't even exist net there was no Netflix there was nothing that you could barely to have blockbuster you had to go to blockbuster

so we had as a family to earn our negotiating skills had to come to the table with what it is we wanted to watch and everybody had to agree and oftentimes the only thing you could agree to put on the single TV in the house

was the Golden State Warriors game or the San Antonio Spurs I went through a spurs space yeah the Warriors were not very good I have a vivid memory of Malika it was a warrior spurs game and she couldn't decide who she wanted to rock with more so she wore all silver and black but then pretty heinous yellow and blue accessories and i was like okay this this is this is a direct was this like the genobley duncan oh yeah this was the genobley duncan

tony parker tony parker yeah yeah there's ballers yeah it was that in all right it was that in all right iteration of the Spurs, the embers of the dynasty of the Right, the best most boring player to ever play the game, Tim Duncan. So I think we kind of, yeah, the big, yeah, the big fundamental. So, you know, I always really, really loved writing. Boarding School was a place that, you know,

journaling, writing, short stories, English was my favorite subject. I really loved to write. And I always knew that that's sort of a path that maybe I could see myself going down but didn't really know how or what until I got to college. And then I joined the school newspaper and the only opening they had was in sports. And so I sort of ended up on that path. Versus for Kendra, I think there was a different connection. I also liked writing. And for me, it was kind of process of elimination. Like I went to a very hard college

preparatory school. And so they take you getting into college very seriously and they match you with a college counselor what do you want to study what do you want to be and i didn't love school i'm not good at math i'm not good science but i always liked the writing and the creative writing at that point but anyway i was also so that was one side of my brain and likes and other i just loved watching sports and i remember like i would make flashcards about different rosters or different position like i just really wanted to learn about all these sports i would not agree athlete myself so um and i think i was with my dad we were either watching NBC sports bay area um or ESPN or something and i think it was NBC sports because ross gold on wooday who's

a black woman who was hired to be the warrior sideline reporter and you know we just didn't see many women who looked like us on tv and i was watching ross do her thing and i looked at my dad and i said dad she gets paid to talk about step and about the warriors in basketball i'm gonna do i think i was probably 16 at the time i was like that is what i'm gonna do and it's funny because my dad says now he said in the moment he goes yeah kendi that's that's great he says now i was i thought you were like of course it was no way you would actually do that yeah in what world but and so i went to college no like i majored in journalism and the seventh day on campus. I was like, where's the school paper and how do I get involved?

September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready.

Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations,

but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual, might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos, as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network, the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing.

Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health. and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families,

it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. From a very rural background myself, my dad is a farmer and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family.

And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a tape recorder statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of a Colleen slimmer.

She started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live?

We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike Listen to Unrestorable Season 2 Proof of Life On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts

So staying on your process really quickly So you go to college And then was the goal Was that childhood goal Still the goal Meaning like I went to journalism school Now boom

I'm going to be on the side lines at the fucking at the warriors it's funny because i went through like a little bob and weave of what the actual goal was like i i think i went to college or i first started to pursue this thinking i want to be on tv and uh actually through malika i was introduced to this woman janey mccalli who works for the associated press and she kind of gave me my first taste at all this but she's a writer And so my first actual taste of doing this job was writing. And so I actually switched my major from broadcast to written journalism. And I was like, I'm diving into writing headfirst.

And that's what I did for four years of college. My first job out of college was only writing, which was great. And I think, I mean, some of the best advice I've gotten, maybe Malik has gotten them Blake has given me is just like how important writing is. And then for me, the TV thing didn't really pop back into this might be something I wanted to pursue until the opportunity presented itself. And then it was like, wait, oh, this does get me a little bit excited. That's something that when I first set out on this was exciting to me and I was interested in. Wow. And I never thought I would end up covering the team that we grew up.

And that's so amazing. That's crazy. And obviously you're a fan and you're allowed to be a fan. You don't have to be partial, right? Or do you? Very partial. It's funny because being so close to them, like, you really do take the fan out of it.

You do. You do. And I'm very grateful to have gotten to experience the fandom days that I did. I'm only laughing because I was just thinking about, like, do you think, I was thinking about the phrase of how the sausage gets made? And like, do you think that people who make sausages eat sausages? Yes, they have to try their product. Because I think at some point you get so close to it, you see people as opposed to these.

The thing about sports, which is so awesome and so cool, is I truly believe that sports, maybe movie stars to some degree, are the closest things to real-life superheroes as you can possibly get. And sport, it's so interesting because there is a physical component. opponent to it, right? There is a ability that somebody has, Slophran James, Steph Curry, Serena Williams, that most of us do not. There's this literal power that you see that you can play the sport, but it doesn't look the same when you do it as when they do. It's sort of, it really is

this, this hero thing that happens in sports is so unique to sports. And I think when you get to know the person, when you get to know the people, when you see the wonderful, wonderful things, when you see the works in progress of an athlete of a person, I do think that takes away some of,

in order to be a fan, there has to be this unbridled sort of reverence that has to exist. And I do think that naturally gets peeled back the more humanized someone becomes. And so when you spend five, six, seven days a week seeing a person, that person becomes human and less of a superhero.

And I think that that's sort of where sports and fandom starts to interact. However, there is nothing cooler than seeing our job through my father's, our father's eyes, right? Like, that's when you kind of go back to the fan piece of it. Because when he came with us to the opening of the Valkyries, the new Golden State Warriors, the new Golden State women's basketball team, and Steph was there. seeing him talk to stuff was that seeing him come in the studio when all of us we all have get-to jobs acting working in sports they're get-to jobs not have to jobs right you get to go and do this but it's still work there's still days we're like oh this is annoying oh my god i got to go talk

to this person oh why did i not forget this email whatever the thing is right you get sort of jaded to the specialness in some ways so it's a really nice remind when dad comes into studio and it's just like this is the coolest thing in the entire and the pride to the pride to when you're on a set all day right aren't you sort of like

all I want to do is come home oh yeah bring someone like your kids maybe like it's a totally different thing yeah yeah no that's that's so great but hold on if Steph hits a game winning three and game seven of the Western Conference finals are you on the sideline you're just like okay great

And are you not cheering? The thing is, well, no, sometimes, this is what I've experienced with myself. I'm curious your answer. Well, to me now, whether I'm on my couch at home, whether I'm sitting at a game, if someone hits a ridiculous shot, I will react. But it could be Steph. It could be Braun over Steph. It could be Kevin Durant.

It'll be Joellen. Like, it's crazy. When I was watching the Olympics, right? stuff hit was over team family you i mean that's what i would i was yelling like that was crazy right but as so like malika said it's the get-to versus half-to jobs and in those moments where you're like this job is so great no matter how many six a m flights i haven't been home in two weeks i don't know what city i'm in i don't know what time it is but at the end of the day i can watch a handful of the most incredible athletes in the world do what they do.

And then to bring it back also to the fan thing of relayed that to people who still view these guys as heroes. I think one of the special things that I really do try and navigate my job with is the fact that I have been that person obsessed with a team, right? I understand how important the warriors are to the Bay Area. And so when I'm trying to tell a story, or even if it's a negative story, if I'm trying to report news, what did I care about? As that person watching this team, what did I want to know? And I try and hold that with me as I kind of navigate my job.

Do you ever have to worry about sort of what you say, you know, or as far as how candid you can actually be? I mean, do you worry about sort of saying the wrong things to both you guys where it's like, You know, that's what I'm supposed to do. You know, you look at Barclay. You'll say whatever the fuck comes to his mind, you know. Well, can I tell you about the first time Kendra and I were on TV together? Yes. On ESPN, it gets to this.

So I remember when I was, I was wearing white and my hair was in a top of it. I don't know where you were right. I remember. But I remember Kendra was coming on MBA today, and it was in our first year of the show. and something happened it was wouldn't have been it was you couldn't have seen it if you were just watching it home and not looking for it you wouldn't have seen it but something went wrong with the video or the toss to bring her in and it was something that was less than perfect but again if perfect to 10 this was like an 8.5 it didn't rise to the level of you know anything noticeable

And I bring her in and I say, welcome into MBA today, our reporter covering the Golden State Warriors, Kendra Andrews, Kendra, tell me about da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. She does her report. And then afterwards, I think I said something because I wanted to be serious, right? I wanted to prove like we could co-consid on television together. You didn't want to be like, hey, sis. Exactly. But at the end, I was sort of like, hey, miss, let's do this again sometime. And I remember we got off that into the commercial break and I sort of went to my producer and I said like gosh guys like I really wanted to nail this and we didn't and there were some things we could have done better and I just really feel like again assuming the big sister role like I really wanted it to be like perfect for her and they were sort of you know they work with me every day.

We have this free flowing feedback. they sort of said, I mean, we hear you and that was pretty close. Like that was pretty dang good. And now watching it back, it was totally fine. But I had so much, I had so much, so many jitters because I wanted to be absolutely perfect the first time that Kendra was doing TV with me. I care way more about setting her up to not say the wrong thing to your point than me. Because of course, it's an, it's a, I think that the thing that I've,

had to come to terms with is the hour that you spend on television, I spend on television every day, is just a snapshot into our basketball fandom, not even close to a full representation of who we are. But I think sometimes that can be a little bit misconstrued. And so, of course, there's the, I wouldn't even call it pressure. I would say a privilege of putting together a show and wanting to do the best that you can. And of course I worry. I worry about every single thing that I say because I know that if I say something wrong,

oftentimes it's not attributed to a mistake that I made, but rather my validity in being there or not. But I care way more about it for her than I do for me. Yeah. No, no, I get that. You know, first of all, I wanted to get your story on how you came up, you know, and became what you've become because you're, you know, you're the figure there. And then we'll get to that at another time. But I'm really curious

about just being a female, you know, in the industry and what it took or if you felt that there was a harder path for you guys to get there and is it harder for you to maintain being there? Or are you pretty free and comfortable in where you are as a woman in sports analyzing basketball where mostly men are taking on your opinion. Yeah, you know, it's a question that I think both of us get a lot is what is it like to be this? It's the only thing I know. The only way I know how to move through the world is as a black woman. And that's how I walk through every part of my, how we walk through every part of our lives. And so of course, there is some sort of, weight that I feel or responsibility to make sure that I am leaving this for other people.

It should be easier for them than it was for me. I felt that with Kendra, right? Particularly because I came to ESPN before she did. And so I wanted to be a good reflection of what it is to be an Andrews sister. But I think that it's just a fact. There are fewer women in this industry than there are men. And there are some people who are looking at, to attribute your mistakes to your gender

and your right to be somewhere. However, I will say that when I am walking through an arena, right, and I've had a dad, there's a picture that dad took of his little girl who has this adorable, Kendra seen this picture, that's as she knows, this adorable big curly hair, and she's standing in front of the TV, and she's pointing at me with my big curly hair when it's out, and he showed me that picture.

And he said, can we take a photo? I want to show this to my daughter. And I broadcast for that fan. I don't broadcast to prove someone wrong. I don't go into a broadcast to prove to this person, know you're wrong, I do belong. I go into a broadcast to show those people who are looking for a reason to get more involved in sports, say, yes, we can, not this is why she can't.

And so I think that that's how you have to choose to look at it, because there is so much more of that, I think, in the world. It's so easy to get bogged down into this comment or this like or this snapshot of an anonymous person on the internet. But you can't, that's not the whack-a-mole I play. I'm playing for them, not for that. Beautiful. I want 30 seconds on the Warriors in this season. And then I want 30 seconds on my Lakers.

All right. You get your Warriors go. You are going to take Warriors first? Go ahead. Okay. as we're sitting here recording they have a game here in just about an hour and 15 hour and five but i mean they're sitting at five and one and the thing my report the thing that they've been talking so much about is their depth and they play the last three games without stephen curry

and they play the the numbers the point differentials and numbers are actually almost better without him there than when he was on the court which is a really really great sign for this team. I think this next week is going to tell a lot when they play the, the, um, the Mavs and the thunder and the Celtics. But I think the moves, the way I look at them is they are a, they're a better team than they were a year ago today. And under the circumstances of where they were, that is all that Joe Lake of and Mike Dunleavy and Steve Kerr and Steph Curry wanted. They feel that they have a lot more potential this year. But do you think, okay, small, there's very small sampling with Steph being out though and watching watching them win without him and seeing

how the team can be cohesive without him. Do you think that's an attribution to the team itself or do you think not, I mean, that Steph being away is allowing them to sort of, I think it's a cohesion of a team. It's a number of players that they play. And it's the fact that everyone, they put pieces together that complement each other well. They've found guys who can defend. They found guys who can score. You know, you're looking at. at a guy like Andrew Wiggins who's playing, you know, a lot better so far than he has the past couple years. You're looking at Draymond Green who seems to be in a really, really good space both physically and mentally. Like all of those things add up. Do you miss Clay at all or do you

not miss Clay? I think Clay's a great guy. Clay's a great guy to have around. It was weird those first couple weeks not like going into the locker room and his locker is right by the door and turning and he's not there it's very very jar were you there when that dude snuck in as clay oh my god that was insane that's so wild that's why we love the NBA so all right milica give me my lakers what's going on all right your lakers um anthony davis is averaging 25 points just over 12 rebounds and a little over three assists a game you want the team to play through him so far they are that is translating to winning of course yes losing to the cavaliers fine the cavaliers are at the time of recording

undefeated fine yeah if anthony davis can continue to play like this and lebron james says that he's going to play in every single game this season whether or not he actually plays in all of them his availability the lakers go as those two goes so if they are doing what we are seeing from them so far in this very, very small sample size, they will be a middle of the West playoff team, right? I don't think they're going to be in that thunder, you know, timber wolves tier, right? But that sort of maybe get out of the play in, but hovering in the play in, maybe sneak into sixth range. And then maybe surprise people in the playoffs. And here's the thing, you never want to face LeBron James for the postseason.

ever anything can happen against lebron james in the postseason so they're up they are the truth you know it's just they got to stay healthy i know it feels like everything is hinging on ad right now like it feels like it always kind of does he's given it to you he gave it to you guys last year when you know it was largely the healthiest lebron and anthony davis year that we've had that's the one thing is like okay you got that largely healthy year they were still playing team and honestly then they just ran into denver and they were up to those games and then I know, I know. So I think it's going to be a similar trajectory.

If they can have a healthy AD LeBron, it's similar run through maybe barely out of the play-in, play-in range. And then it's just about the straws you pull because there's an argument to be made if they didn't run into Denver. Yeah. Anything could have happened. I know, I know. Have you seen starting five on Netflix?

Denver is not, I know. Denver's, we'll see. We'll see what happens with them. You've seen starting five on Netflix? You watched that? How good is that? I kind of love it. Oh, my God, I love it so much. It's great.

I love all the players. Anthony Edwards is delightful. When he, when his wife, when his girl gave birth and he walks between and he goes, oh, shit, he's like, he's like, he's like, he goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, that's like her liver. Anthony Edwards is Anthony Edwards in any room that he walks into. He seems so cool. He's one of my favorite players in the NBA. He's so much fun to cover. We're so, so lucky.

He's so much fun of the cover. Might be a problem for your speakers. He might be. No, I know. I know. Of course. Of course. Yeah, I know.

I'm going to let you go because I have to. But thank you guys so much. This has been a lot of fun. We had a blast. I appreciate you guys. Thank you. And I will be watching you as always. Thank you.

Thank you so much. Thank you guys. You know, what's fun about this is I get to meet all of these people who I've seen on TV, you know, or the Olympian. that I interviewed right before the Olympics or the Golden Bachelorette, you know, these people who are just sort of doing their thing and then you've got Malika and Kendra

and, you know, it just adds to the experience of when I watch them. I can become like a sort of a fan in the sense that, oh, I know her. Yeah, no, I know her, I know her, I interviewer. And I love that. I'm going to watch NBA today with like a different reverence now because I'm like, yeah, I know her, I know her.

Anyway, that was so fun. Thank you guys. Thank you ladies so much. I really appreciate that interview. Really fun. I wish I could have gotten more into sort of, you know, the coming up, getting into the NBA today, going to ESPN, what that was like. But I always seem to get into these, you know, deeper psychological conversations, you know.

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