Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Alexa, Play Sibling Revelry with Alexa Ray Joel & Jack Brinkley-Cook

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

What's it like when your dad is the Piano Man and your mom is the Uptown Girl? Kate and Oliver get a front row seat when siblings Alexa Ray Joel and Jack Brinkley-Cook join the revelry!They take us through the height of their parents' careers, to the downfall of their marriage, and right back to the glue that keeps this family together forever!Plus, Alexa Ray gets real about the racy kissing scene in her new music video! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And would it's like to be siblings? We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. What are you drinking? The yummiest protein shake. Did you make it or did one of your people? you're such an ass no I got it from creation

oh you did yeah I just put it in the freezer and then I redo it so it's really cold and like smoothiey I'm having breakfast issues because I get lazy like I ate an enchilada chicken enchilada for breakfast

but when you really think about breakfast because I was going over this in my head if I put an egg on it it would be breakfast you know what I'm saying it's still protein it's still cheese it's still put an egg on it corn tortilla

yeah just take a take a taco put an egg on and then you're with well not really enchilada more like yeah but if I put an egg on the enchilada it would still be breakfast so if I ordered the breakfast enchilada with no egg it would still be breakfast

that's true by the way you're speaking like my family like in the Japanese culture Mm-hmm. Breakfast is like miso soup and rice and Danny and I were even talking about how we should get more into, like, Japanese breakfast because it's actually so wholesome. Yeah. You've got something pickled.

It's really good for your gut. Yeah. Usually miso soup in the morning is like yummy. Do you eat fish in the morning? Mm-hmm. Sometimes. Well, what? You would eat smoked trout.

Well, if it's smoked salmon. Yeah. Yeah, it's got to have like a breakfast quality. Yeah, well, that's kind of like the Japanese. I wouldn't mind some like salmon sushi in the morning. Yeah, a little bit like a little like a little me. So it's like it's actually really nice. The Japanese breakfast is very, very good.

Yeah. So it's not every, you know, it's only like American. Look, sausage, potatoes, eggs. Yeah. Yum. Yeah. I just got a new kitchen. I just redid my kitchen.

I know. I saw it. It's insane. but the best part is is the new ovens do things that are like so easy they make everything so easy I have a speed cook of it now

that can cook like hash brown potatoes in like nine minutes wow it just gets up to like 900 degrees or something oh yeah it just goes it's a convection of it so it just goes really hot like real fast cooks it then you can crisp them in there for like a minute

And, like, for the kids, I can make them, like, little, like, diced potatoes and onions in the morning in, like, nine minutes. It's amazing. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You got to get one of them. It's really cool. They're probably, like, $6 billion. No.

They're not? No, they're really affordable. Because I do need a new oven. I need a new kitchen. I've been trying to hustle up some sort of HG TV show, like, calling every host, like, Hey, you want to do me for, like, a special? Ha! Ha!

I was just getting nose. I want to start a YouTube channel for all of my design things because I'm always doing it. I think I'm going to do it and we can do your kitchen and get it like sponsored. Yeah. We'll figure it out. You'll have to pay for some of it and then maybe we'll get a partner.

No. Listen, I'm excited to talk to these youngans. Yeah, we don't want to leave. leave them waiting. Mm-hmm. We don't leave them waiting. Today, I have to say, their mom, I feel like was like your first real crush. Yeah, yeah, well, it was a, first of all, Uptown Girl, the video, and then you've got, you know, vacation in the red Ferrari and at the pool, which is unforgettable.

I mean, for everyone in the 80s, that was like one of the great moments of all time. Yes. Yeah. So. Brinkley was it. Yeah. I mean, it's like she's still it. She's so hot.

Oh, she's so hot. It's insane. Her energy. Yeah. Everything. I look at her. Oh, my stylist used to style her sometimes when she was in New York and said she was just like the greatest, most inspiring woman because she's just so filled energy and happy. She seems very joyful.

I know. Well, let's see if it rubbed off. fun any of these kids. Yeah. Yeah. So we got Alexa Ray Joel and Jack Brinkley Cook. Yep. JBC is what I like to call them. Do you want to let him in, Ollie? Yeah, yeah. Let's let them in. Okay. Hi. What's going on, guys? Hey, guys. Where are you right now? Are you East Coast? We're East Coast. Yeah, we're actually at our family house, so

Oh, nice. In Sag Harbor. Oh, I love it. I'm jealous. Is it pretty or is it starting to get fall and cool? It's so perfect. It's like early, like 73, like just September. Oh, I love it.

My son, I will. I'll come. My son just took a picture of himself like a week ago and was like, because he's in New York. He's at NYU. And he just goes. my first last day of school because he's graduating, which is insane. I can't even believe it.

And he phacetimed me the other day and I was like, oh, it looks like so beautiful in New York. I was jealous. I just wanted to be there. Wait, Sag Harbor is that the Hamptons? Yeah. It's like the, it's like upper. It's like on the up. But it's considered the Hampton.

It's the most beautiful. I mean, I'm a little biased. We grew up biased we grew up here, but it's the most beautiful town in the Hampton. because you got the harbor front. Yeah, I got to go experience the Hamptons again. I've done it one time when I was like 19 or 20 or 21 years old. Yeah.

And I ended up on like 7,000 hits of ecstasy in a pool all day. And it was the most disastrous weekend in terms of my health. I'll never forget. He came back from the Hamptons and had eaten his entire mouth off. Yeah, it was very bad. What happened? Yeah. You were a little scarred to come back.

yeah yeah that was it i was like i'm never coming back to this place again guys need to come here like this is months to be here it's a little trafficking in the summer but this is fall yeah i gotta go give it i got to get a chance i like the hamptons when it's off season 100% the winter is absolutely the best out here that's what my friends say who have like who live in the hamptons i actually have a friend without a doubt who was in the city and then moved her family to the hamptons and put the kids in school there and she said it's the best thing I've ever done. She just loves it.

Well, because you grow up in a more grounded as someone that's sort of been in school at Nightingale Bamford and then PCS in the city, professional children's school, I've had both the Hampton's country and city experience and I can just tell you that people are more grounded out here. It's very different. Then I went to BCS.

I was like, what's this? They're like doing Coke in the back. bathrooms. Like, it's a very different situation. Yeah, big time. We were pretty like kind of sheltered and just low-key out here. Did you guys grow up in the city? We grew up out here in Saigon. You did. And then basically one year I was at school in the city, Nightingale Bamford, which is very posh, very upper crests, very, you know, clicky. And I was kind of terrified. And my mom was like, okay, she's not doing well. This was when I was in fourth grade, so I guess I was 10.

And then we moved back here, out here because it was, I don't know, it just wasn't working for me. I think that's so nice. I love it. So you guys are, you guys are, you guys are half. We have a half, but do you can see, does that, does that even, does that vernacular even come up when you're talking about each other? Or is it like brother and sister? It's so funny hearing you say that. because I always forget because he's just my like yeah we don't even I don't ever consider

it we never like I never would describe Alexa as my half sister to never to us she's just like we're just like when you just said it I was like oh yeah I have to remember that but because it doesn't feel that way we're close yeah that's how we are what's the age gap um what is the age gap nine years that is a denial of age I'm not a fan of numbers I know I said, I said, I'm forever 34. I'm just going to mentally, like, it just, like, there are all kinds of things are going to happen and change, but like, I'm always 34.

Like, you're young at heart. You're young at heart. I just turned 49. And, you know, age, I never gave a shit about age. 50, I think, might not sting, but at least make me think. But I have a theory about age. I'm just going to, if you, if I told you right now, I'm 71, it's like, oh, shit, you look good. So you might as well go older and then you look better.

I mean, I hear, I think it's easier. I totally get that perspective. But as a woman, there's a lot of built-in misogyny. Like the minute you say your age, oh, why aren't you married yet? Why aren't you had kids yet? You know, so for me, I think it's, I don't know, Kate, if you. Oh, yeah. I love to just like let people guess and just.

Yeah. Jack and I are 10 years apart. Mm-hmm. Now, wait. Now, you have a third, though, right? And is he middle or is he younger? Sailor, our little sister. She's three years younger than me.

So I am 30. I just turned 30 two months ago. So I went through that little bit of shell shock that I guess, Oliver, you're going to go through. Mm-hmm. And my younger sister's 27 and Alexis 39. He sold it. Oh, you told us.

on me. Wait, how old are you guys? Sorry. 46. I'm 49. You're 46? See, it doesn't, it doesn't register.

Like, if you take care of yourself and you are warm, like the beauty from, I don't know, resonates from within to without. And you, I just, it's more of a glow. It's like, who cares about the number? I also think women, like, I went to, I remember going to a couple years back, my, my 20-year, high school reunion and the girls looked great and the guys looked awful I was like what is happening like the girls all look great they've got a little Botox they have a little thing like they're working out they look so good the guys I was like wow wow I feel like girls take care of her and we just like we you know like we are just a little bit more ritual we have our rituals and we like to make

ourselves I mean hold on yeah absolutely have our rituals this one relies on his good genes I have to like I have to have my rituals or I look like shit it's just like I don't know

but men age better according to you guys right we age better no better is the wrong word differently we get hotter with age which is yeah it's annoying

well it's like the structure it's like your face shirt something that happens some some guys some guys they get older and they're like you know, the way that their face changes is, like, very different than the way a woman's face would change. So my fiancé has gotten his, he's like a, what would you say, salt and pepper? Yeah, self, distinguished gray, as they call it.

And he looks like he's sexier to me. I don't know. Just also he's matured a lot and worked on himself. So it's both, right? It's not just looks. But like, oh, something about that salt. and pepper it's so mine is getting that too like in his beard and like in the band like oh it is it's nice it's a thing yeah it shows wisdom but i also think women with silver hair like the ones that have like

that crazy i just think it's so beautiful when their hair is like you know some women if they're into it and you can tell that they're comfortable with it like you can feel the energy they pull it off beauty of Andy McDowell looks she looks unbelievable like I just look at her and think I don't know if I'm going to be one of those girls because I you know you either have it or you don't

like I'll probably be dyeing my hair if I'm being like honest with her and let's not have this cycle of shame for women if they want to be a facelift great if they don't want to get a facelift I know let it go oh god oh by the way you know how many dudes are getting facelifts

yeah like big famous stars? You know what I think? I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to look like the best version of you. What I find unfortunate is when a girl, and I know that this happens in our current superficial looks obsessed society where a young girl will take a picture of a celebrity and bring it to her surgeon and say, make me look just like this girl. Yeah. And to me, that's an unfortunate, like, perspective. Byproduct of it. I mean, not to sound cliche, but you got to love yourself.

And if you see one little tweak and you want to, you know, tweak it good for you, but to want to change everything to the point that you're not even you anymore. I know. That's sad. That's always like one of those things you just hope that, you know, it's one thing to be like, oh, I remember my ears stick out, right? And I really, like, when I was little, I wanted to, or when I started to get older, I was like, God, I just, like, want to get them back because they always stick out and I can't put my hair up. I also called her Dumbo.

He also traumatized me. Right. I always said to Kate, Kate, look, there's a breeze. There's a breeze picking up. You better latch down. You're going to fly away. I love it. I mean, I have to say, like, Sailor is more the one that teases me.

I'm very lucky with Jack because he's just. always, like, so complimentary, so supportive. Oh, can I touch you, big sis. Like, he really just respects my tenure. And, uh, anyways. Well, how was that growing up, honestly, you guys? A little big bro, because he's so much, yeah, my little big bro. You know, because of nine years is a pretty good difference.

Like, how did that work? How did you guys get close? You know, what was it like growing up with someone who was like your little man, essentially? Yeah. You know, we got close later in life. I think because it's, he was more with Sailor when you guys were like really little because that's a huge age difference than I was an angsty teen. So I was sort of very much introverted.

And then just, I would say the last, what, 15 years? Well, so. In adult, in our adulthood, when when I was 10 years old, she was 19 years old and already moved out of the house. And so going back to being, each difference hits then. And going back to being in the Hamptons, what was especially cool was when I got to 15, 16, 17 years old and the Hamptons weekends weren't cutting it anymore. I used to go and stay with Alexa in the city. And my mom was very strict. And she, you know, she gave me a strict 12 a.m. curfew when all my other friends had like a 1 a.m. curfew or 2 a.m. curfew. And Alexa was amazing because I would stay with her.

And I think that she sometimes used a little bit of discretion where, when, And I would, you know, come home 30 minutes late. She wouldn't get me in trouble. But she was strict enough for the few times when it was like three in the morning or 3.30 in the morning the next day, I was probably in trouble. You ratted out your little brother? Well, you know, I'm a real homekeeper. So with my apartment, I'm a little bit of an OCD like neat freak.

So if things aren't just the way I want them, there's a little bit of a problem. She said she's a hyper neat freak. everything she does is meticulous so yeah see the flowers in the bat we i like to keep things what's your sign you eat things pretty do you get like i get stressed if there's clutter around yeah i don't like clutter hate it um i'm a capricorn okay and you i'm a gemini oh okay no idea something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about

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Listen to Model Wars on the I Heart Radio, app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, yeah, because I guess if you've got a nine-year difference and you're like, you know, 17 coming into the city and, I mean, you're well into your life. When did you get married? I actually have I haven't gotten married yet I'm still engaged oh my god I think maybe you're I don't know I'm the same you're the same like I don't know I like keeping it fresh yeah we've actually been we've been together for 12 years that's right it's been a long time yeah and I know you with Danny right

you know oh and almost nine I don't I don't subscribe to the labels anyways I do want to get married to him And he is the love of my life, you know? And we just haven't gotten around to it. But, you know, when we do, I think next year, we want to plan like the perfect wedding. I was engaged for almost three years. You are? I got. Well, because that was the idea.

The idea was like there is no rush. Let's enjoy being in love and having fun with the engagement. What is marriage anyway, honestly? I mean, we're still basically married. I totally agree. And the way I see it is like, kind of me and Ryan have been together longer than a lot of marriages have lasted 12 years. So it's, it's, it's all relative, you know, and time flies by, so.

How many, how many, how do you, do you like to be, like, how do you say your name? Do you just say Alexa, or do you say Alexa, right? You know, I used to do Alexa or Lex, but since that damn freaking Alexa robot, Amazon Echo thingy. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. Everybody's ordering Alexa around. Alexa, do this. Alexa do that. Oh, my God. It actually causes some issues. Like, I'll be on the phone with someone and they'll say, hey, Alexa, and they'll go, what would you like to do? Because of that, I do Alexa Ray. Okay, that's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. But you have, how many siblings do you have all together? We have, it's just me, Jack and Sailor.

Just if, okay, so it's just the three of you. How old is Sailor now, 27? Sailor's 27, and then Alexa has two additional half-sisters. Right. Yeah, on my father's end. Mm-hmm. Right. So mom has three and three dads.

Correct. Yeah. Yes. Like me. That's like Kate. You know, we're a modern family. It works. It seems to work.

It does. I'm curious. Where are you guys? I love the background of where you, So, homie. Oh, I'm in L.A. I'm in my office. I'm in my son's room.

And Ollie's in, is that, what? I'm in Bodie's room. That's where Bodie lives now? Wait, I'm confused. The difference between a man's room and a woman's room. Yeah, I'm in Bodie's room. It's just an easy. Exactly.

Exactly. So, so you're, so let's start, Alexa, let's start with you. So you, she grew up, you were. You were eight years old when your parents divorced. Dad's Billy Joel. Mom's Christy Braille. We've got to get into the parents because, like, I was saying to Oliver, before you guys got on, that that was clearly Oliver's, like, first, like, one of his big crushes was your mom.

Oh, of course. Yeah. I mean, like, the hottest. Like, the Ferrari, you know, vacation situation was like, your mom was just everything. Yeah. iconic the ultimate but you came out of like the like they were just such a couple you know and when when they broke up would do you like do you remember it of course yeah yeah i was nine uh i was nine years old when they divorced and uh yeah i mean you know they were my world and we

were the three musketeers so we were always together singing mom would, you know, bring me out on the road. And we were a very just sort of like a musical family, always singing together, always putting on a show. And so, yeah, it was a shock to me. But, you know, you should probably watch my father's documentary. Can't wait. Because it really delves into all of that.

And the pressures that my father was going through at the time he had to go back on the road when he just wanted to stay home with me and mom. because his manager at the time ripped him off and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars and so he had to get back on the road and make that up and that was a part of you know that was a part of maybe it was more it might have been millions actually now I'm recounting it was millions I think it was so that was a big strain I sometimes wonder you know there's a there's a there's a pros and cons to everything because I sometimes wonder, well, if the manager hadn't come into the picture and he didn't have to get back on the road, maybe they would have stayed together. But then I wouldn't

have had my wonderful little bit. You know, I mean, you know, life is funny. But I do believe that they were soulmates and it was a dream childhood. We're talking about how great Sag Harbor is, but I grew up in a further lane, which is, I don't know, arguably the most beautiful area in East Hampton and we lived in a beautiful sort of like Tuscan style it was a dream it was like a storybook everything you could imagine out of a storybook childhood I was very blessed to have and um you know I look back at it and it almost seems like this beautiful dream because it was it was just uh you you'll see in the documentary just it was a really magical time and um So you basically, like that 10-year difference, 9-year difference is, I mean, you were really raised an only child.

For a very long time. Yeah. And so when your bro came along, how did that feel? I was happy as could be. I mean, Jack was the most energetic, happy, just always smiling. I was always singing to him. My mom, she films everything. You'll see a lot of the footage in the documentary.

Always got to, before we had phones, she had one of those. those old school video cameras on her shoulders. And so, you know, she captured all the footage. I used to sing to him. We used to play. He was very active, wanted to be outdoors. I've always been more of an indoor gal. So, you know, I don't know.

I think we kind of compliment each other in our differences. But we didn't get close till we were both young adults. Because like I said, at that point, there is such a. huge age gap that it just gave us an opportunity to relate to each other more by the time he was in his, I don't know, late teens, early 20s. We're all very different. Like, our little sister sailor is very different from Alexa. We're opposites. Like you and all. Explain that. Like, how are you guys different? Well, so I would say that Alexa tends to lean to to be a little bit more of a home body.

She's very comfortable in her environment. And my sister's sailor is probably the antithesis. She seems to always be out. Introvert versus extrovert. I'm an introvert. She's an extrovert. I like to be at home playing the piano. Honestly, in every single way you could be opposite, they kind of, for the most part, are.

And you? She's real tough gal. She'll speak her mind. She's really outspoken. and everyone always sees me as more the innocent one for some reason. It's just, you know how it is. Like, when you're siblings, a lot of times your opposites, your opposite characteristics can be magnified,

which is a good thing, I think. Yeah. Sailor is an innocent. Sailor is a thing. No, I don't mean it in a bad way. I mean, like, she's like, she's like a badass. Like, she'll speak her mind. she'll you know she's just a very um outgoing personality outgoing when what about you jack how do you

fit into this dynamic i'd like to think i'm a little bit of of a hybrid between the two i'm you know i i i like to go out and i'm social and i i but social but yeah yeah but i'm definitely less rigid than than our little sister sailor who to alexus point can be uh she she she's very opinionated and it makes your opinions very clear and in a great way. Yeah, Jack, you're very open-minded. Like, you can always, he can see both sides of everything. You're very diplomatic. How did mom manage the family, like the unit? So you've got three dads. I know, Alexi, you're a little bit older, but with you and Sailor, especially, Jack. Like, how did she manage the unit? And did it really feel like you guys were one unit? Or was, or was

Was there a lot of spreading out based on where the dads were? I mean, my experience is that we always felt like one unit. I think that probably when my mom got her last divorce, I think it brought us all closer together naturally. And that was the moment where we, like, really unified. And we unified around my mother, too, because she was going through it. And so it gave us a real sense of solidarity. And, you know, I mean, there's nothing like when you can relate to going through a divorce. We both experienced that.

And then it did. It kind of bonded us closer together. And now we all couldn't be closer. I mean, you know, Jack doesn't go a day without speaking to my mom. I don't go a day without speaking. And she's the best mom in the sense that she worries. She wants to make sure everybody's okay. if she doesn't hear, you know, from us for too long.

She's like, just wanted to make sure you're okay. You know, so we're tight-knit. Just like you guys. Like you can see it and you're a little, I follow Kate on Instagram. And I'm such a fan, by the way. I just love your face. And it's, you can feel that genuine closeness. It's so great.

I can see that with Christy on, you know, with you guys. She's. Oh, yeah. He's a little bit of a warrior and in a good way. I drove out from the city to the Hamptons last night. It's a two-hour drive. It's all the time. And probably every 10 to 12 minutes, my phone would ring.

And it was my mom, you know, checking and making sure that the job was safely. You hadn't crashed. Yeah, she called me 10 minutes ago. I'm 10 minutes further out the road. We're good. Exactly. That is funny. Oh, it sounds like me.

It sounds like Kate. I was just about to say that. Just wants to make sure everybody's okay. She's such a mama bear. She's also super conscious of the environment, health. She's always trying to make us aware of, okay, this is good for you, this is not good for you. She's just, she's that real nurturing mama bear type. And, you know, I'd rather, it's the best.

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brought you guys together you guys were kind of saying that or what solidified you know the unit essentially um and is that is that how do you what why do you think that is is it just sort of rallying around each other and the support that it takes to sort of get through whatever it is you have to get through i think it was a very i think the last divorce particularly too for my mother was was a was a bad one um and so by you know sort of directly because of that we like alexus said sort of rallied around her and wanted to show you our support, and inevitably that brought my siblings and myself closer together as a result of doing that.

But I don't mean to say that in that there wasn't, it wasn't like pre-divorce. We were all separated. I mean, my, even before Alexa moved out of the house, and again, she moved out of the house when I was 10 years old because she is nine years older than me, I still, up until that point, I have a tremendous amount of, you know, incredible memories still when she was still, you know, going to the same high school here in East Hampton that I went to. but I think it was I think it was really the idea of rallying around our mom that that it did sometimes it takes like these big moments to sort of that kind of kick something into a different

dynamic you know what I mean your mom needed you she needed us and we were there and also you know jack is a big music lover and so he's always he's like my biggest supporter like any song that comes out. He's like, I downloaded it. I'm playing it. He'll blast it in the house. The other day he was blasting some tracks of mine. I know you have a single out Riversideway. I just watched the video. It was very sexy. I know. And that's your, that's your guy, right? That's your dude in the in the video. That's my fiance, Ryan. Yes. Yeah, because I was watching it too. And there was a moment in the backseat of a car where you sort of straddle him. And then you start kissing and I'm like that feels like someone she knows. I literally was thinking that. I was like

that doesn't seem like an actor. Can I just say how impressed I am with both of you as actors? Because to me, the idea, they said, well, who do you want to get for this video? I said, my, my guy. I don't make out with a stranger. I just feel like, wow, I'm so impressed that you can just break that ice because Ryan and I've had 12, 12 years to break that ice. And so it was really comfortable on camera and you know it was I had a moment like this at work the other day where I was making out with somebody and I did I did have this moment where everybody is just filming and you know and we're so used to it you know and it's like nothing to you it's like nothing it's and then I I said to my friend who who is playing the guy and I was like it's so crazy that we are just like making out and then we're like anyway So, yeah, oh, my God. Yesterday, my kids, like, then you start talking about your kids and your partners. And, but you're just, it's like the, it's the craziest, weirdest life we live.

I mean, like, that's why I say, I think it's amazing. It's, I don't know, because I was just even surprised with all the cameras that I was so comfortable doing the love scene with him in the truck. But then, you know, once, I think it's just about, I don't know, you would know better than me as an amazing actress. but it's just about locking in because we were just looking at each other. Like, I sort of forgot that the cameras or anyone was looking. You got to lose that self-consciousness. Self-consciousness is the worst. And I'm a very hyper-aware person.

But you've got to get rid of all that and just be in the moment. And that's kind of what Riverside Way is about. I wanted to channel my bad girl. I know. I loved it. I was like, oh, go, X-Rae. But wait, so. That was the moment.

Wait, Jack, hold on, Jack, when you watch your sister in the video, like, making out, are you cool? I mean, you're like, okay, that's, that's, no, I was cool with it. Honestly, I was, I was most impressed with her fiance, Ryan, who's obviously, as you mentioned, not a trained actor. And I don't think has a lot of experience in that field. And he looks so handsome and he's so, he looks so cool. He looks so good. I mean, beyond being obviously impressed with her, that was probably what came to mind first. Yeah, well, that's good.

But there's always got to be something. I know, shit, there's my sister, like, made, like, do. hanging down, even if it's your, you know, it's like when Kate posts Instagram where her ass is like shaking around everywhere, I'm like, all right, we're good. I know, you know what? I think I've seen a comment or two from you. Like, yeah. Yeah, I think I've seen it. Like, just follow me then, like, mute me. No, I think there was one

recently that I didn't comment on. I was like, oh, jeez, I think I saw some summer dumps out, buns out or something. Yeah. What's wrong with it? Oliver loves putting, like, oh, so you're, you're, you can put your ass out on Instagram, but I do, and you hate it. You know what's fucked up? When I put my ass on Instagram, like, I get

it gets taken off. Yeah, you and every other influencer who's on OnlyFans puts their ass and everything else on Instagram, they're cool. That's cool. I'm being, my ass is being discriminated against. And Oliver, how often are you putting your ass on Instagram? Like, you know, every third,

fourth post. It's still relative, because here I am thinking, I wrote like this edgy song and oh you know this is a real sexual vibe but it's it's it's really not when you compare like everybody's doing whatever they want like Sabrina carpenter is you know a sexual she wants to be and there's really no rules and I don't think you're really challenging yourself as an artist if you stay in one box or one lane and you know one the ballad girl the piano girl, the good girl. I just wanted to step outside of that. Yeah. Doesn't

it feel good? Feels great. Yeah. It's iterating, you know. Art is for taking risks. Yeah, you got to be able to take risks. And by the way, with that comes the chance of failure and it's important to do that. Like to put yourself out there is hard. But like if you're not taking the risks, you're never going to

know how far you can go. You got to just do it. And then like of whatever people think about it because I know for me even doing the video I'm not looking at the comments on YouTube or anything like that because as a sensitive gal I'd probably start, I don't know,

crying at some. There's a funny sort of misunderstanding from the outside in when you grow up with very famous parents how critical people are on you when you're young when you're it's like so

you're under this microscope before you've even chosen to be an artist or to be kind of like want to be out in the world as an actor or you know there are certain

kids that are far more kind of criticized than others like I growing up I always felt whether it was in school whether it was you know

in theater class and music class and all the things that I did, the second they found out or anyone found out who my family was or immediately I felt so much extra criticism. There was sort of a different kind of criticism that I'd receive. Oh, yeah.

Because there's also that underhanded feeling of, oh, she had it handed to her. She grew up with privilege. Yeah, right. No matter how hard you work or how in love you are with the arts. Well, I honestly think that's the fucked up thing about this nepo baby, you know, sort of wave. It is mainly directed at the arts, you know, actors, writers, musicians, which is bullshit because nepotism exists across all businesses, across all occupation. And in fact, I think, as an artist, you know, you have to prove yourself.

Yes, it's like harder. Yeah, yeah. It's harder. The foot can get in the door, but you still have to be good. You still have to fucking deliver. Ollie, Jeannie Buss said to me, which I realized was really interesting, she said 80-something percent of families get into the business. They're the same business.

It's inevitable. And why not? I mean, you grew up with it. I grew up hearing music my whole life with my father writing these incredible songs and playing Gershwin and playing sound and music. And like I had this really classically. amazing, diverse, musical repertoire that I was raised with. It's just, it becomes a part of you, you know, because, you know, theaters in your blood too, Kate. And I mean, you develop a love for it.

I think it's a beautiful way to kind of carry on the family legacy, irregardless of, you know, I'll never be my father and we're different in many ways. And I may never achieve that same level of mainstream success or, you know, everybody has their own version of success these days. But it's, I think it's a beautiful thing to carry on a family legacy and just do you. And like I said, people are going to have things to say, you know, it's always a mixed bag now online, right? I always feel like there's no middle ground. Like, they either love you to death or they freaking hate you and want to see you, you know, just go down in flames, right? But, but you got to just stay true to you and do my father, he says, you do what you love and you love what

you do and damn the rest and you know would your does your do does your dad listen to your music and does he give you critique and advice on on stuff but that you do or is he kind of let your hey girl go do your thing go do your shit you know he's so supportive but not in a like showbiz father way he's just like do you like like riverside way doesn't sound like anything that he would have written very much a departure from his style So he was sort of taken aback and he's like, oh, you know, good for you for not like staying in that same kind of comfortable niche that perhaps would be expected of me as his daughter. Because I like to show, I know, you know, Kate's very diverse with her choices too. You don't want to just do comedy, right, or just do.

So I like to show, okay, I can do a ballad. I can do a fiery little kind of banger. and I think it's just about mixing it up and doing what you want. I don't really follow a playbook. I know my father doesn't either. He's a real nonconformist. He's done the doo-op stuff and the Tin Pan Alley stuff. And then he's done even stuff that sounds more theater.

And then he's done more classical. And then he's done more, you know, real rock and roll songs. So I think it's just about playing and having fun. Do you write all your own music? I do. And do you work with anybody when you're writing? I work alone. Jack's heard me.

I just play at the piano. Really? So you write all that just by yourself? Riverside Way, I was, I don't know if you're a bathtub gal, Kate, but I got to, I can't sleep unless I take a hot bath at night. One night on just, it was a late night, 3 a.m. I was just thinking about like, oh, what if I were like playing this alter ego character? And I was thinking of a few wild, rare, uncharacteristic wild nights I had out.

And I just heard, folks a goodest drink all day, met a bad boy on the rib. And it just kind of came out. That's so fun. I love it. I love writing. I've been writing music my whole life. Yeah. And then only in the last couple years have I been doing real writing sessions with different writers.

And I love writing with people. I have so much fun. Yeah. especially just it's great connecting with different people and like understanding how they work

and how they think and certain people it's kind of hard to like get in there with each other and then some people you just start to flow and it's so amazing

but see you seem as like more of a total extrovert to me which is amazing I wish I could be more extroverted my father I'm like my father my dad's a true blue introvert he sits there and he gets into his own world he writes alone he goes through every feeling he's ever

had and i think i kind of caught that you know writing alone bug if you will from him because it's so it's kind of it's sort of thrilling to just go into your own lens and your own world and just go with it it's like your own dream world you know and jack you just you didn't want to get into the business in any way, I'm assuming. You know, what's funny is I actually went to acting school. He's a great actor. I did go to acting school. I pursued improv more than anything else, but quickly coming after, quickly after I got

out of acting school, my mom, you said, you need to get a job. And, you know, I'm going to give you a month, two, three months to figure it out. And it was within that period that I ended up launching the company that I still have to this day and so it wasn't yeah by the way how is rove doing i've heard i've good what explain what it is yeah so basically one day i i i having oliver not really been to the hamptons i'm not sure if you'd be super familiar but there's a bus service that everybody yeah i know it yeah it's called the hampton jitney yeah it's it's effective but it's the experiences you know probably is not the nicest experience in the world. And I thought that there would be room to sort of elevate the

experience given that it is the Hamptons and, you know, it is a luxury market. And so we we launched with direct service between Manhattan, Brooklyn and singular towns in the Hamptons on Mercedes-Bent Sprinter vans to offer an upgraded program. And that was the year before COVID. And so the following year, COVID strikes, people don't want to travel together. But luckily, the county that the Hamptons are in Suffolk County was looking for a local transportation company to help fight traffic in the Hamptons and drunk driving and they had a grant and a bid. And so we actually transitioned the program from a ride share service between the city and New York to an internalized ride share service where we actually provide free rides within the Hamptons that

are all powered by advertisers. So you get into a vehicle where the vehicle is wrapped on the exterior by an advertiser, the interior has iPads that take consumer data information, and we're able to provide free rides where otherwise an Uber and in the Hamptons is $50 to go five minutes down the road. That's what we've become. Yeah. So savvy. Cool.

I'm savvy this one. Different than what she does. I have really no business savvy. So you're an entrepreneur, actually. This is what you want to do. Entrepreneur, yeah. I guess you could say that, yeah. We usually do like our little ending question, Ollie, you want to ask them what that is?

Sure. Yeah. We do this with everybody. And it's kind of a two-part question about you guys. You guys can answer me. If you could emulate something, take something from your sibling that you wish you had yourself, what would it be? And on the flip side of that, if you could alleviate something from them that you know would make their life. experience a little bit better. What would that be? Wow. That's a loaded question. Okay. Alex, something popped up in my mind just now as Oliver was saying that. I wish I had Jack's flexibility. He's very flexible. He can be in any situation and, you know, just make it work. He's a great traveler. He's not like so baked in. I'm such a home body. and introvert and kind of, I love to live in my own fantasy world so much that I think it's limiting for me, like in terms of branching out. He can branch out and make anybody, anything a home, make anybody feel at home. He's so good with hosting. He's always hosting.

It's a true, it's a true extrovert quality. So I wish I had your flexibility. And if I was thinking about with Alexa, I think that Alexa is probably the most caring person in the world. And I don't think that there's anybody that's ever met Alexa and just doesn't love her. And so I suppose if I could take one quality from her, it would be her caringness because I've seen over my life how that has impressioned people. And truly everybody just loves Alexa. That's right. And then what would you alleviate? There are less sometimes.

I care so much. I think to, I guess what Alexa was saying is the personality trait that she would take from me. I guess if I would alleviate one thing of Alexa, I think that she, I would give her some of my flexibility and some of. Exactly. I think maybe sometimes, Alexa, you can really consider what people think. think and you know I know she mentioned she doesn't like to look at the comments and stuff like that and I think overthinker yeah to a certain extent in my head yeah you know I think that um I would take away a little bit of the the overthinking oh for sure I wish I could

please take it away I think one thing we have in common we we both get some anxiety we both struggle with anxiety and this anxiety inducing world and I know what that's like, and it can be hard to just shut your brain off. I know that he has a little anxiety that he goes through sometimes. Because he, as he says, I'm so caring, but you always worried about everybody, too. You want to make sure mom's okay. You want to make sure everybody's okay. Maybe I'd like to take some of your anxiety away.

I have a thing that I say when I get anxious where I say, just float. Like I say it in my head. Oh, I like that. Just float, you know? Yeah. because it can be hard for people that are always either float or take a pop some lexapro you know I mean

I try not to do any drugs or anything I try to work through it mentally I know why people go to substances because this world is so crazy right now everything's so overstimulating but if you say in your head just float try it sometime yeah just float

that's amazing oh you guys are the best I'm coming to Sag Harbor I know me too I need another experience with the Hamptons Yeah seriously We're not on a exorcist No no no no The art studio

You can go stay your welcome anytime And you know we watched almost famous At least once a month around Yeah it's our 25th anniversary yesterday Wow It's crazy Oh my God I know

Relations it's timeless years. All right, beauties. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. This was fun. Yeah, we'll see you soon. Bye, bye, bye, bye.

Cool. They're so great. I know, so fun. They're so cute. That was so nice. Christy and also, I love hearing. I want to go to the Hamptons and just chill out. Sag Harbor is amazing.

It's really beautiful. Yeah. But just like, oh, their mom sounds awesome. And Alexa Ray is so cute. She is, she is, like, really, like, so happy and positive. And it's like, oh, ha. And she's like a Disney character. Yeah, totally.

It's like Cinderella, like all of a sudden a bird is going to, like, land on her hand, and she's going to sing to it. Animated bird is going to pop up. She's so cute. Oh, well, that was fun. I love you. Love you. Bye.

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