Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Amanda, Anna, and Todd Kloots

Episode Date: December 18, 2020

Kate and Oliver are joined by Amanda, Anna, and Todd Kloots. They open up about the impact of this year on their relationship -- from living together under the same roof to losing Amanda's husband, Nick, to coronavirus. The Kloots siblings also reflect back on growing up in Ohio with five siblings, how religion played a role in their upbringing, and why finding silver linings is so important. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Coors Light, Each & Every, Olipop, and Public GoodsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Proof of Life on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie.

Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry. That's good. It was very interesting to have this next family that we spoke to on the phone because they are on the other end of the horrors of this virus. And at the very beginning, as many people know, Nick Cordero passed away from complications of coronavirus of COVID-19. And we got to speak with Amanda Kloots and her sister and brother about not only that time and how devastating it all was, but the importance of the family and the family coming together and the silver linings of it too.

I mean, Amanda seemed to be a big, a big silver lining girl, which was interesting, you know, all of the things, all of the positives. Yeah, she really, she really. She was. It's sort of, that's where she puts her faith into knowing that she, it feels like that moving forward, how she deals with the grief is to try to really find the silver lining. Yeah, and, and, you know, connecting it to siblings. Her greatest silver lining was that she got to reconnect, be with her siblings, live under the same roof. Her family, the closeness that they always had, really, even though they were all, you know, they get into all this, but they've always, they were always super solid and had each other's back forever. You know, this was a, this is a healthy, happy sibling relationships.

There's five of them all together. And then it really did highlight the importance of siblings when one person is suffering a tragedy like a loss of a partner or husband, the father of her child, and how they pick up, you know, and her brother especially sort of coming in and being a dad himself, really taking on that sort of really supportive role, male role. and wanting to be there for his sister. I got off of the episode and I just cried because I think that the human spirit is so strong, it's so resilient and this family is such a wonderful symbol of that that we can have the most devastating, tragic things happen and then we can heal or we can at least attempt to look at

something positive moving forward and move forward with love and grace and i just feel like that's what and her faith played a big part in that you know i mean she's a she has a lot of faith she's and that's a powerful powerful thing whatever you're believing in doesn't matter just the faith faith that there is something bigger you know that there is something out there something that you can connect to that's going to bring you peace. Yeah. Just give me something to believe in. Oh, wow.

What a call in, Ollie. What are you? What is that? Give me something to believe in. Give me something to believing. Yeah. Is it like warrant? Is it a, no, it's not warrant.

It's not Bon Jovi. It is, I give me something to believe in. Is it white snake? I mean, one of them will work for me, you know? We need to just get to the chorus. People are loving this right now. I guarantee they're like 100% cake. They just want us to get to the chorus.

The chorus. Ollie, the people just want to hear you sing. Go. What I've done. See? I forgot. I only know the chorus. Dear.

Give me something to believe in. Not a sudden to we remember. No, it's great. Let's go. Okay. So, yeah. So this episode. was absolutely beautiful.

I loved it. I'm so grateful for them coming on and sharing their story with us, their family, and also opening up about her loss and Elvis's loss. And also getting a perspective from a, the only boy, you know, with four sisters. I know, I said to them, I'm like, you're like, Derek Huff. It's like the Huff. That's right.

They're totally mirrored, you know. Anyway, please. everybody, enjoy. This is Anna, Todd, and Amanda Kluz. Hi. Hi, kids. Hi. It's nice to see you again. Nice to see you too. I think I just want to by saying I'm sorry about your year. I mean, it's just this has been, you know, devastating for so many people and you're like, you've given so much to so many, but I'm just so sorry. Thank you. Thank you.

We usually start like, okay, well, let's start from the beginning. But I think maybe it would be nice to kind of start from where we are now and sort of move backwards. Where is everybody now? And I know that you two, are you living with your sister? I came home for Thanksgiving and to stay and be with her through the holidays. But I live in Paris, but I left Paris the day before Thanksgiving. I didn't tell Amanda when I was coming.

and then got here the day before and snuck into the house and she was getting a mani petty. So I snuck in with the help of her neighbors and like answered the door holding Elvis like wearing her clothes because I found out of just immediately put on her clothes and she opened the door like,

wait, like I'm looking at me. What's happening? Who are you? How do you get here? That's amazing. I'm going to go back to Paris in the middle of January. I have to renew my visa, so I have to leave.

But I told Mandy, I'm going to just like come for months set a time throughout the year, especially once, you know, it's possible. It's just not going to do it. Well, it's not like easiest. Come and go as I please.

I know, but your life in Paris, you're not going to come to Laurel Canyon. I am. It's my other home where I, you know, it is. We'll see, guys. We'll see. Yeah, I'm very suspicious considering all the hating on L.A.

You do. I do not like it here. I just moved my entire number for six You guys, the other day I was talking to Anna and she was like, oh my gosh, like, I just don't think I can go back to L.A. I mean, all the tie-dye. I'm like, what? I'm like, you spent the summer in tie-dye. What are you talking about? That's what happens to me when I'm there. I turn to this like tie-died creature in Paris. You're going back to Paris. You're in San Francisco and Amanda, you're in L.A.

I'm in L.A., yeah. She just got a great job. I got a great job. Are you excited? I'm so excited. I can't believe it happens to me on it. Congratulations on that. That'll be so awesome.

It'll be very fun. I've never had a nine to, I mean, it's not nine to five, but every day I have to like go to work in the morning. I've never had that. So it'll be very strange, but great. For anyone who doesn't know, Amanda's going to be doing the talk. When do you, wait, when do you start the talk?

January 4th. So these are my last couple weeks of freedom of not to expect. I think in the times I've co-hosted, you know, it's an early morning hair and makeup and then, you know, dressing. And then you have to learn all the information. And I mean, it's such a blast. And then you drive, I'm so close to this BS Radford lot. So I just drive right over there. And it'll be really fun.

I'm done by like 1 o'clock in the afternoon. So it honestly is it's such a. a blessing for to be a mom and to have this job because I get to spend the rest of the day with Elvis and by the time I get back, he'll be waking up from his nap and then we'll have the rest of the day together. I feel so lucky guys. Like I really... That's great. Well, we can become best friends because I'm working on the Radford lot as well. That's true. Amanda and I, Oliver, she sent over a picture of me and Zach and her and we were on Watch What Happens Live with Andy and Amanda was in her, you know, showgirl outfit.

Behind the bar. While we were doing press, I think we were doing press for Wish I was here. Yes. And you and Nick and Zach were all doing bullets over Broadway. Yeah. And then here's another weird six degree of separation. Nick and I were neighbors with your Uncle Mark in New York. My God.

And Mark and Nick played music together a couple of times at the triad on 72nd and nick and mark would talk a lot about music and nick was always trying to like get him to like i mean it was like his goal in life to sit down with mark and like talk music and you know it's just like busy life and everything and then we got i got pregnant and then we moved a couple blocks over but yeah we uh we saw mark all the time in the neighborhood that's so crazy well the the um the theme music for this show that is uncle mark who did the i know I heard that when I was listening to podcast. So I know that, like, you've talked a lot about Nick's passing,

but I do want to know kind of during that time you were talking so openly about everything and was reaching out and talking about it through social media, something that was comforting to you? Was it something you felt like you had a responsibility to? Well, in the beginning, I opened up about it because, you know, I have this fitness business and I'm, I was very, present every day on social media and my husband had been like on the couch for a week and then now was in the ICU and I thought to myself like I can't like live a double life and lie and like

be out beyond social media every day being like okay let's do our 20 minute workout knowing that my husband's in the ICU so I felt like I can't lie about what's happening in my life right now but then I also more importantly just thought if there's anyone else in the world that is just tired and laying on the couch, they might not know that they have COVID because at the time, the symptoms on the news were cough, fever, you know, loss of taste, loss of smell. Nothing was about being tired. And Nick, that was his only symptom. I was tired, exhausted. And so I just thought, like, people have to know that this is a symptom and, like, that now he's in the ICU because he was tired. And then it kept just spiraling. It just kept getting worse and worse. And I just kind of felt

like I have to keep being honest about what's going on because the world is being affected by this pandemic right now. And it would not be okay to just stop this story now and not keep people aware of he's 41 years old. He has no preexisting health conditions. And this is happening to him. This is not just something that affects old people. Like, this is happening, and people need to be aware of it. And so it just kept going, you know, just kept going. What was the progression? Like, he was exhausted and tired and then all of a sudden, boom?

Or was there a slower progression? No, he was exhausted and tired for a week. And then he started having some breathing issues. And then when he was so, that it took him a half hour to get from a bedroom to a kitchen that is a small cabin, you know, not in a huge home. This was like a small cabin. We were living it at the time. And it took him a half hour to get there. And he could barely breathe when he got there. And I was like, this is, we're going to the emergency room. And still at that time, he could smell.

He could taste. He didn't really even have a cough. And when he got there, he had double pneumonia and two negative COVID tests until the third positive test. Jeez. Yeah. Wow. Wow. You know, so many people, especially young people, our age, when this was happening, it was sort of like, you know, following Nick and you, it was really, you know, sort of

really brought it, I think, to the forefront that how deadly and scary this is. And I know you had your family, and then you had kind of everyone was really, you know, rooting for you guys and for everything and praying for you. And did you find comfort in that? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm, you know, I couldn't have gotten through everything. Well, first of all, you know, like Todd and Anna became like surrogate parents to Elvis so that I had the ability to do everything that I had to do during that time. But the social media comfort was, it was insane, guys. I mean, like, from, I would just, you know, I'd hear from the nurses or the doctors what Nick needed.

And I would get on social media and say, guys, you know, they can't get the carbon dioxide out of his lungs. What do we do? And I mean, I'm not kidding. I had, like, papers of names, doctors all over the country, treatments, machines. And I just would, like, call, checklist, scratch off, call, checklist, sketch off. And then I presented to the doctors and, like, the doctor would be like, where are you getting this information? I'd be like, Instagram. Like, it was like this community of people that could just couldn't wait to help.

I mean, it was insane. And started like meal trains, started like we were fed like every day for like a month. And like something you think like, I don't need dinner. It's okay. But then dinner arrives and you're like, oh my God, thank God. I don't have to cook something and destroy the kitchen that is now finally clean. And, like, I don't have to worry about getting groceries. Like, the way that the Internet, that Instagram and that community, like,

yeah, started to take care of our entire family was absolutely crazy. Yeah. How old is Elvis? He's 18 months. But he was, when Nick got sick, he was, it was March. So I think he was only eight months, right? 10 months, 10 months. man on top of that that's i think this is unimaginable to a lot of people you know um

and there was so much positivity coming out of your feed uh and i i followed you guys religiously followed you religiously followed the progress and i just were there the positivity was there but were there just moments of i just can't do this anymore. You know, I have to put on a brave face. I have to do this. I have to do that. Did you ever feel like you ever got yourself in too deep with social media? Meaning like, shit, I don't want to post anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. I see what you mean, Oliver, but to be on, I mean, yes, there were definitely days where I was, like, you know, in bed, in tears. And Todd had taken Elvis for me so that I could like give a three-hour nap.

And it would be almost three o'clock. And I would be like, oh my gosh, I have to go on live right now and sing. And I like, I've done this to myself. And then I would just do it. And if, you know, sometimes I'd put sunglasses on and a hat and just like not even sing. Just be like, you know, doing whatever I could do. But innately, every time I did that three minutes and 22 seconds, that song was over. And even if I got off right there, I would.

was instantly in a better mood. I instantly had more energy. I felt like I had 20,000 people now behind me being like, you can do this. You can do this. Come on. We're praying for you. We got you. And instead of laying in bed and crying more, I then, three minutes later, had energy, had like positivity behind me. And I was like, that's right. I can fucking do this. Like, get up. Like, come on. And I was like singing, live your life. Like, so a lot of times it was, I didn't go back into bed and cry. Everybody, you know, handles grief differently,

but how much has religion played a part and faith played a part in this experience in this moment, moment in your life? Yeah, for me, huge. I mean, I've, I, in times of trouble for me, I mean, I pray every day and I am a very faith-based person, But when things get really bad for me and for my life, I'm just talking for myself, not for you guys especially, but I died deep down.

I really like died deep down and I really put like every part of me into believing that, you know, and praying and and, you know, his will is done and all of all of the things that I really truly do believe. it gives me great comfort. And I find a lot of peace from it. And it just helps me so much, so so much. Did you guys all grow up religious? Oh, yeah. Church was like, you weren't missing church for any excuse or reason ever.

All the cloutes were in a row, hair. Sunday morning was like, get up. You got to get your hair. It was chaos. Get your hair done. We got to get your outfit on. And we went to church and outfits. French break.

Close shoes. And there's five. And dad was our Sunday school teacher. Oh, wow. There's five. Five siblings. And what is the order? Todd's the oldest.

We have a sister in Texas, who's the next oldest. And we have a sister who was living in New York, but now lives in Ohio with our parents. And then Amanda and then meet. Oh, my gosh. Todd, you're the only boy. Yeah. You're like Derek Huff. Todd, you said I would be a boy, but I was not. I turned out to be a girl. Yeah, when we found out that my mom was pregnant with Anna, I was like,

maybe it's the brother that I'm always, I've always wanted. Sorry, baby. Where did you grow up? Grew up in Ohio, Canton, Ohio. Ohio. I went down to Ohio. Home of the Football Hall of Fame. That's right. Don't you?

Oh, yeah. Big time. Yeah, you're football fans. Yeah, we're like five minutes from the Football Hall of Fame. Todd, you're number one. What's the age difference from you to Anna? 13, 14. Yeah, between me and Anna, it's 14 years.

Okay, so you're closest to. Tracy, my oldest sister. Tracy and I think are 18 months apart. I was definitely the accidental last child. Oh, for sure. In fact, we were at a wedding in Texas, and I was in my parents' room, and the other sisters were in the adjacent hotel room. And I woke up to my parents arguing over whether or not my mom was actually pregnant with Anna.

And my mom's like, Fred, I've been pregnant. I know that I'm pregnant again. And my dad's like, you're not pregnant. Don't worry about it. And then, sure enough, along comes, Anna. And then when we found out, like, I remember the four of us were so excited that we were going to have a little sister. And especially when Anna was born, she was like the star of the show. We were all old enough that we were all so excited to, like, take care of Anna and, like, yeah, all focus was on her.

Well, this is, is this why she lives in Paris? I mean, it's like, she's like, oh. I'm going to go to Paris, you guys. I've had all the love that I need. I'm going to parent. I had a different, we're all so similar, but then there is definitely something that makes you a bit different. I think when you grow up,

I grew up a little bit differently than everybody because there was this huge gap, and there was a huge gap, but I was essentially an only child with my mom and dad because everybody else was stopped at college or like living a full adult life. And I grew up as an only child with my parents. for seven months.

Years. So I'm I'm closer to my mom and dad in a way because I had this like alone time with them and for so long like everyone went from like loving me. I was like their live baby doll to them like not liking me at all because I was their annoying like nine-year-old sister and no one basically talked to me at all between the ages of like nine until I was like 18 and then they were like, you're cool. Okay, you can be one of us now. So it was a different growing up.

Isn't it so funny how that happens, how, you know, it's just, it goes from one thing to the next, especially with five kids, being the youngest, having your family all around you and then one minute everyone was fucking gone. And you're like, oh, shit. Oh, okay. What was the household like? What was it like growing up in the family? Was there a lot of music around? Was it fun? Was it strict?

I mean, just what's the overall feel? I would say probably chaos. Because, like, I, especially, God, it was like five kids at the, at the, like, the high point when I was in high school. And I remember, like, the days where, like, one or all of us were fighting with each other, my mom would fall my dad at work. And we were all then, like, fearing my dad to come home to be given this bad report on our behavior, who had been fighting with who.

but yeah we were yeah we were definitely music oriented like we were all in either band or choir or both and then we all went to this creative arts middle school yeah so definitely like arts focused household for sure if you weren't religious meaning if you were like okay I'm going to I'm going to Sunday school I'm following you know what parents want me to do right as you get older and time to make your own choices was that an acceptable thing for your parents if you said i don't i don't want to follow that path

they they never we were talking about this last thing too they never pushed us in any direction they never even were like you better get good grades like they didn't you know what i mean like they didn't ever they let us do our own thing but then also like if todd was in band tracy was in band and then alley was in then and then i was in band and then anna got away with not being in band because seven years later. But, like, it was like... Not joining the band. Your brother did it, so then trace it, and then you do it, and then you do it.

But it was never, like, you have to do this. It was more like a, this is the things we do. Yeah. And, like... But then also, because Todd, like, was in band, we would all, on Fridays, go to the football game and cheer Todd on. And so then you wanted to be in band. And you're like, well, I can't wait until I'm in band.

And then we all go to band. Right. And then Anne is like, you go to band. I'm going to polvance. I was like, I love my parents. O'Vois. O'clock, oh, wow, family. Maybe to go me, by the way, starting the nerdiest trend for us to following.

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By the way, Anna, I'm so jealous of your travels. Oh, God, I've been reading. It's reading a little bit about your travels. That's just, I want, I feel like it's too late. It's just a big thing to do. You're a very typical baby. Like, I'm going to go. I'm going to travel the world.

I'm going to do whatever I want. I don't care what anybody says. It's so awesome. And their parents are like, oh, my God, it's so fun. Whereas everyone else had, like, the focus on, like, making sure what they're going to do with their life and their job and their thing and the fan. It's, like, so typical.

Here's a good story. It would be like the dead of winter. And it was like I was going through my divorce and I was in my studio apartment and like blizzards. And my sister Allison who lived like a couple blocks from me would send me a picture of Anna in the Maldives and a hammock being like, life is so wonderful. And she texts me. She'd be like, good morning. And I'd be like. And you know what I love, Todd, is that you're the older brother.

What does that feel like for you? Do you feel a paternal kind of feeling more towards your sisters than sibling? Yes, I do. It's definitely something that has obviously evolved as we've all gotten older. Like, I feel like we're obviously siblings. As we've gotten older, we've become like the best. friends, but then, especially, like, recently, yeah, like, even more of, like, paternal kind of, like, instincts kick in, for sure.

Well, Todd is the ultimate dad, too. He's, like, the best dad in the entire world to his two boys. Oh, thanks. And just, like, the most caring, like, Todd 100% took care of the two of us all summer, like, would wake up and bring us coffees, and there'd be, like, latte, like, warm lattes waiting when Amanda and I got up because he got up before us. Like anything that wasn't all like, God, please help. Like, we don't know.

Yesterday, our tire pressure was low. We were like, call Todd. What does this mean? Like, we don't know what to do. Call Todd. Like, we know nothing. It's funny too because like during quarantine, I felt like a lot of the paternal stuff was also like definitely me taking things that my.

were things that when we were growing up that my dad did and they were like directly translating into our life when we were living together this summer because it was like these two girls packages were constantly arriving at the house. Like it was insane. And there was only so many like boxes that we could fit in the recycle bin.

And so like every day like had this ritual of like chopping up cardboard boxes and it just like harkened back to when we were little. And my dad was like he had this like weekly ritual of like the trash compaction that he would do. And he would always come back in and be like, oh, man, I just wish the people would do a better job of putting stuff in the trash, right?

So I don't have to do this job every week. That's so funny. Todd, you left first. So where did you go to college? I went to college in Miami. Miami University of Ohio, so southern Ohio, just north of Cincinnati. And when you left, what was that like for all the girls?

We all sobbed. We drove home our giant family conversion van. We had this huge van. It was a bus to fit all of us. I'm a gladiator. It's a gladiator across the top. Really amazing. We used to fight over who was in the captain's chairs,

the two chairs. Oh, yeah. In the back, there was a TV in it. We would go from that, in that van, we would drive two days from Ohio to Florida, Ohio to North Carolina for summer vacation every year. And, like, that was one of the most, like, the biggest things to fight over was who got the captain's chair, for sure.

Wow. I know I'm dealing with that right now, like shotgun and, I mean, all the shit with my boys and my daughter. I was never, I would call it, it didn't matter. Because you were supposed to call. You don't deserve a captain's chair? Exactly. I don't deserve a captain's chair.

When we pulled away and left Todd at college, it was so sad, I will never forget this. We all had like faces planted to the back window. And Todd was standing on the steps of Denison. What was it called Denison? Yeah, Denison Hall. And he's like weaving to us in his oversized khakis. And we're like, hearing at him, sobbing, sobbing as we drove away. My mom and dad, who never cries.

Yeah, I was going to say that's one of the same. of the first times I remember seeing dad cry was that day that like really got to me oh and this happened when you when Amanda left when we took Amanda to college it was just me I cried the whole next week and then I got a puppy out of it. Of course you dead. Oh gosh because then poor I mean I have to say, you know, Anna, it is. And then all of a sudden, Todd goes to college. And then it's all like they're just dropping like flies. Like everyone's going to college, like one year or the next year.

And then it's like, oh, no. And then one by one, my mom started replacing us with dogs. It's like, by the time we were all gone, my mom had three dogs and no children at home. So growing up, were there, because there were five of you, were there clicks? You know, was it like, ooh, we're, we're. We're a little crew, we're hanging out together. There's exclusion and inclusion, maybe that changed, you know, throughout the years. God would have a sign on his door.

Do not enter. We couldn't. Todd did not want us around at all. Allie and Tracy, my two older sisters, they were a click for a while and they would sometimes let me in. But I was three years younger than Allie. So Allie is always trying to be cool for Tracy. So they only really let me in when they.

needed like a minion and so then i would be allowed in but then they would then if they were in a fight then they would one of them would take me as like their buddy one would be alone i was never anyone's click except tracy sometimes would take me on which she called best friend days because tracy was always very maternal towards me because she me and tracy are 10 years um so tracy would take me on like let's go on best friend days and me and tracy had our own little handshake and we would like do little days. Isn't that how a secret, isn't that how a secret

breakfast got invented? Secret breakfast? Yeah, Tracy took you on a best friend morning and it was a secret breakfast morning and you took photos of it. Remember? Because I still carried that tradition on with my kids.

Oh, what is it? I want to know. If you, you, before you go to bed, like I'll go to one of my boys, I'll be like, dude secret breakfast tomorrow just you and me and then they wake up early they wake me up and then we go and have secret breakfast alone and the legend that i've told them is that anna and tracy invented this when tracy was in college she would come home and she had missed anna and so she's like you and me will go to secret breakfast together that's a good that's a great idea

you know i mean i do dates i'll take my daughter on date she likes going on dates of course because that started with a ton of shit that's right I can't take credit for that, Oliver. That's a family position of like, Pa used to take me on dates and I'd get to pick where I wanted to go and then mom would take Oliver. No, no, no, I would take mom. Oh, right, right, right, right.

Yeah, I mean, not that I would pay or drive because I was like five years old. But, you know. Wait, so now Amanda, wait, so you would all guys did band, but when did you start dancing? I started dancing at the middle school that we all went to that had arts. So that was in sixth grade, no, fourth grade I started dancing. So like 10 or 11 years old.

And then was the dedication to dance for you your own or was it also kind of, you know, because I know for me it was like once I got to like 13, 14, I was like, I'm not going to dance class. My mom's like, like hell, you're not going to dance class. You're going to dance class. You know, no, I fell in love with it. So I started in fourth grade. And then around sixth grade, my dance teacher was like, you know, you might be able to, like, do something with this.

And I did, like, my first performance. And I remember doing my first performance, which ironically was to Elvis Presley's Jailhouse Rock. And it was a tap dance. And I remember being on stage being like, I want to do this for rest of my life. And then I wrote an essay like in sixth grade about how I'm going to be on Broadway and be a Radio City Rockette. Wow.

Don't you love the manifestation of like how you? Because I mean, I feel like I had the same thing. It's like I just knew. I was just like, this is what I'm going to do. But how fun. Oh, my God. That's so awesome. Well, it's the audition process for that.

Yeah, how does that work? The audition process is brutal. It's brutal. Um, the, so I auditioned a couple of times, didn't get it. The third time I went in, um, you know, they have these like tours. So I auditioned for the tours first. And then the third time I auditioned was for the actual radio city, like the truth that, you know, the girls that are there. And I went to an open call. There were a thousand girls. They had 12. It was over two days from 10 to 6 p.m. And, um, this would never happen today. But when I auditioned, the last like half hour. of the audition, we stood in a line and you had to step forward in your perfect bubble and you had to just stand there and they like just walked around you, just like looking you up and down. And you just had to stand there like just perfectly perfect. I mean, that would never happen now. But yeah, that was a two-day process. Like I said, a thousand girls

they needed 12. It's very, it was a lot. And it's, you know, you have to, you can't make a mistake. you have to be perfect and sharp and show that you can dance with other people and blend in because it's not about being, you know, Broadway's about like having your own personality and your own flare and they hire Anna because she's Anna and they hire me because I'm me. Rockettes, you're hired because you can fit into a line. So it's a little bit different. Wow. And you get that right where it's supposed to be.

Because if it's not, you're out. So let me ask the question, though. Do you have to measure your leg? Like, do you have to know exactly where to kick? Like, how do you know? I mean, is it like right to your shoulder and then stop or, you know? So, like, your toe has to go to your eye. So it can't go above and it can't go below.

It has to go right to your eye. And the tallest girls are in the center of the line. So I was the tallest. And then the shorter girls are on the end. It gives the illusion that the line's the same, that everyone's the same height. But as long as everyone kicks to their eye, it also gives the illusion that we're all kicking at the same height. So fun.

You know what? The Rockette thing, if you love dance, it's just, it's sort of just like a, you know, it's like if you could be a rockette, like even for a minute, it's sort of like one of those accomplishments that you're like, oh my God, I can't believe I did it. Well, and our dad, our dad took us to New York, the whole family to New York and saw the Christian show. and the Easter show. And then that's when I was like, I want to be a rockette. And then my opening night, the opening number was the girls flapped out of the Christmas tree and it was to happy holidays. And my mom and dad and my whole family were like right there.

Wow. Out of the tree. Like my opening. That's awesome. Does it pay anything? It does. No, it pays really well. They give you scholarship money.

they give you an really insurance they have PT on the top floor you can get physical therapy every single day which you do you sit in ice tubs like i mean they take really good care of you yeah awesome well i know uh what i'm going after this year our parents too especially dad like dad anytime he introduces Amanda to anyone ever he's like you know Amanda was a radio city rocket It was like the first thing, the problem. It's such a powerful thing. You're still under Rocket for Dad. Todd, how did you deal with all this,

especially with sisters and boys and your sisters are Rockett and your friends? I mean, was ever like, hey, dude, your sisters are Rockett. Like, she's hot. I mean, did you have to deal with that guy stuff that I had to deal with with my sister being like, hey, man, like Kate? And I'm like, ah, no, let's not go there. Yeah.

In high school, definitely, there were some of my best guy friends who were after my oldest sister Tracy. And they would be like, you know, I always knew it was coming because there was like some sort of like awkward sort of like, hey, so, you know, is it cool if I ask your sister to homecoming or ask your sister out on a day? So like, yeah, that that happened several times. It was weird. It was even weirder when my sisters weren't into the dude and I'd have to be like the giver of the bad news. Oh, you were that kind of your brother. My brother would never do that.

What? You like let down the guy easy. No, he's saying it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oliver, you felt sure. No, you didn't need it.

You just didn't need it. So, Anna, you went to college and you, went to New York, Amanda's there, but your seven and a half years difference, was it like, first of all, where did you go to college? I went to FIT. I went to the fashion industry technology. So I had decided that I wanted to go to New York because we started going to New York as kids and then kept going. And then once Amanda was there for college, we were going up all the time to see her reviews and things she was doing. So New York just started to feel like home. And I was like, I want to go to school here too. And then it basically,

as soon as I got there, we just started hanging out all the time. I basically, I have two friends from all of college because I just didn't even try to make friends on campus. I was like, I have a sister who lives up town. Why would I need new people? So. And then the other sisters are where at this point? There were just that two of us were there at that point, right? Allie was in D.C. still. Was she? Yeah, those early years, I don't think Allie was living there. Oh, that's right. Yeah, Allie came later. Yeah. We were there together alone for a couple years.

I all the time would like go up to Amanda's house and sleep there and hung out all the time. And it was nice because she also was on this weird, you know, not normal 9 to 5 schedule. And that never ended. Like the whole time we were in New York together, we would always be both on this like unconventional work schedule and would just, we would always call each other and go, what doing? What are you doing? And then we're like, I don't do anything. Want to hang out? Just meet up and have these weird fun days of fun.

Was everyone super supportive of each other, you know, or was there ever any sort of jealousies or you need to be doing this or I wish you were doing that? No, everyone was really supportive. Yeah, really supportive. And we've all, like, lived together. Like Todd and Tracy lived together. Allie and Tracy lived together. I lived with Allie for a long time.

We've also kind of lived with Biggie. I mean, me and Biggie and Amanda have now lived together. Yeah, we've lived together now. we and we all really it's very odd we all really get along and love each other a lot yeah that's awesome Kate we got to figure this out because we never did it we never did any of this stuff yeah I feel like we're close but a lot of people are closer you know what I mean I feel like we're doing just fine I feel like I have plenty of you and I don't need more exactly that's exactly my point but we're totally fine. Like, it's all good and

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And then you met Nick on bullets over on the show. Yeah. We started dating in 2014 and we got married in 2017. Anna, are you married or? I just went through a divorce as well. I got married pretty young. and went through divorce, and that's kind of what sparked me moving to Paris in January.

I kind of had to figure out my whole life again, because I was living in New York with my ex-husband, and I was working for him, and so I suddenly kind of was like, I had nowhere to live in, no job. And so I was like, I'm going to move to Paris. Like, that was always my dream. And, like, if I wouldn't have led this life that's now over,

what would my life have looked like if I just went for my own dreams? So that's why I moved to France. Anna, tell the story of your final Zoom call under the sparkling pink Eiffel Tower. That's good content. Because of obviously COVID, courts aren't open. So I would have had to go to Ohio to finalize this divorce and, like, in court and, like, sit there as the judge, like, with her gavel.

But it happened on Zoom, and it was scheduled for October 1st. but I already had plans on October 1st to go watch the Eiffel Tower because it was pink for one night only for breast cancer awareness and pink is like my favorite color and it's like me and I love Eiffel Tower and so I was like I'm just going to do my Zoom at the Eiffel Tower. I'm not going to miss the pink Eiffel Tower. So I was on Zoom like getting divorced with the pink Eiffel Tower sparkled at my background. Wow.

And the judge was loving it. The judge was like, no, you know, you have to do it. from Paris. And I was like, hi, Your Honor. And she was in the story last night. Like, after she was like, okay, like, you have to state your name and where you live. And I was like, I'm Anna Poots. I live in Paris, France. And I was like, oh, God. And then we had to say, like, you know, all the things and raise our hands and, like, the Eiffel Tower sparkly behind me. And she's like, okay, like, it's final. Like, we'll get the paperwork in 30 days. And she goes, go enjoy Paris, Anna. And I was like, thank you. You're I love that the judge was like living vicariously through you.

Like there was a part of, was it a female judge? Of course. Oh, yeah. She was like, I love this. She's like, I'm getting divorced. I'm in Paris. Oh, yeah. Oh, God.

I feel like I want to be Anna when I grow up. We all do, Oliver. We all do. You guys have been through everything. It sounds like, Todd, you are with two children, I'm assuming. And my sons are named Oliver and Hudson. What? What?

Yeah. Oliver. Yeah. Don't let it get to your head. Wow. Take it in and let it go. Take it in and let it go. That's it.

Nope. It's over a week, another half hour on this. This is amazing. This is a beautiful. beautiful day for me. Hey, Todd, thank you.

He was a huge fan of rules of engagement. And, you know, it was Todd's favorite show. That's right. How old are the boys? The boys are 11 and 9. But honestly,

you know, you guys, it's funny, like we talk about this and you've been through everything. I mean, relations, weddings,

divorces, terrible tragedy. And I wonder, have you seen your sibling bonds change through these years? Or do you feel that you've always had that or now more than ever that the bond is as tight?

No, Kate, I think you're so right. Like, I mean, this goes back to when we were kids and it was like, you know, if Tracy had a choir concert, we all went to support Tracy. If, you know, Todd had a piano recital, We were all there to support. If I had a, if I had a show, everybody came.

It was like, and there was no, like, well, but my best friend asked me to go to a movie. It was like, no. And you didn't even want to go with your best friend of the movie because you were like, no, Todd has a piano recital. Like, we're all gone. And I think, like, that was just instilled at us in, like, that young eight, it was like this family unit. And I think, and, you know, even like what just happened.

It was like as soon as Nick got sick, Anna was in Ohio, Todd was in. San Francisco. Todd's like, I'm on my way. I'm in my car. I'm driving. And Anna was like, Amanda was like, Amanda, as soon as I can get there, I'm there. And it was just like, it's that. It's like, yeah, we have each other's backs. Our parents taught us that, though. They were like, you are family. We take care of each other. We prioritize each other. Like, your family are the only ones who at the end of the day have to be your family. Like, you're never going to get rid of them. This is always your sister. And when we would fight, we had to read verses from the Bible and apologize to each other.

Like, we weren't allowed to stay mad. We all, even like, we never, the concept of, like, going on vacation with a friend or bringing a friend on vacation did not exist in our family. Like, we were each other's friends. And experiencing going through all these hard times together and going through all these hard things only strengthen that bond and made us realize, like, all the more, like, boy or mom and dad, right. Like, at the end of the day, your siblings will show up for you in a way.

way that no one else will and they'll understand you in a way no one else will and the way we were able to just start naturally taking care of each other and anticipating each other's needs like Amanda would come out of the bedroom being like I'm starving and Todd would be like I just whipped up lunch and like preemptively anticipate what your sibling needs because you've lived with them your whole life and you know them inside out and and that only exists with siblings and that bond only gets stronger as you go through these hard times and you realize, like, boy, no one is there for me like my family. Mm, mm, love that.

Are you guys, are you guys brutally honest with each other? Can you express when you are not liking something, you know, when you've been rubbed the wrong way? Is that the communication between everyone pretty open, even with the bad stuff? Yeah. I think yes. I think it actually starts with another sibling, though.

You call, like, I'll call someone else to, like, initially complain to someone else. Right. I'll start my complaint with Amanda with Biggie. I'll be like, Biggie today. I'll be like, oh, I know. And then you can usually address the person if you need to. But you vet first, like, check what you're going to say with another big. Or it'll happen where then Todd will call me and be like, just so you know, Annie's mad at you

because you did this and then I'll be like I didn't mean to do that and then you'll be like well just so you know she's mad that's true another sibling will break the news

to you a lot that's often the do you have that thing where like people judge your choices where like one will be like why is she doing that and I think that she should yeah

yes I don't know no I think sometimes, yeah. Sometimes, yeah. Actually, yeah, there's, yeah. Yeah. Like Todd was just, you know, texting me before we got on about how Anna's running away

from her problems by going to Paris, like that kind of stuff. You're the only person I felt would understand, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely, I think to a certain extent, yeah. You know, you're right. Even either night, you said, like, me and Ali and Amanda used to hang out a lot because we were all in New York together. And Amanda, their night was like, yeah, well, sometimes we'd all hang out.

And then you'd leave and be an alley would be like, why did she just say that? Like, what was that about? Yeah. So that happened. Anna and Amanda, you are writing a book. Yeah. So it's a memoir of everything that happened this past year with starting, you know, in March with Nick.

And then, you know, being rescued by Anna and Todd and then my family. and then just going through that whole process, so the highs and the lows, and there was a lot I shared on Instagram. There's a mountain underneath that that no one knows. And so it's all of that. And beautiful, really funny, crazy stories that will make you laugh.

And then, you know, the next page you're in tears. And in writing it, we've, you know, when Anna's in Paris, I finished writing, I put Elvis down for bed and then I usually start writing and then I go to sleep and as I'm going to sleep, she's waking up in Paris. So I'll text her and be like, sister, I'm done. I finish this chapter and I'm in tears and I can't believe this happened. And then she would wake up and she's like, man, I know, you know, I was writing something the other day, but I was like laughing because I was remembering us, you know, wearing like face masks, watching Gilmore girls. And you're just like, you know, so it's just like a mix of everything that that time was. sent Todd the other night. Now that we're together, we're reading through it all as like the final

to our publisher in December. And we sent Todd chapter 10 because we read through it and we were laughing because it's just a chapter about what it's like to live together as siblings for the first time in 15 years. Other people. Like it was me, Todd, and Amanda. Our spouses are not there and we're just siblings again. With a baby. With a baby. So it was when we created three men Three siblings and a baby. We've been cracking up and it's, it's, um, we've noticed the book too is a beautiful tribute to, to what it's, you know, to family and siblings and, and, you know, Nick's family and Nick's mom, like, it's really just a beautiful tribute to relationships and family bond as, as

much as it is about the story. Like, it's, it's going to be great. It's really a beautiful, it's, it's beautiful in so many ways. I look forward to reading it. And Elvis is a lucky boy to have such great aunties and uncles. Yeah. Elvis took a liking to Todd very early on. Todd drove down when we first moved to L.A. in September of, gosh, what was that, 2019 mix? Yeah. Yeah. You drove down and met Elvis for the first time and Elvis just like went right to Todd and and so then when Todd came down to live with me in April it was very cute because Elvis you know really you know he needs he needs that male energy you know and so I'm so grateful that he has Todd just six hours north because whenever Elvis sees Todd now it's the cutest thing like runs he's like happy

It's so cute and just goes right to Todd and Todd's boys and it's really, really sweet. I feel very lucky to have him there and have such a great uncle. And then Anna's like another mom to him. Man, I still remember that first time meeting Elvis because I got there like just before lunch and I got to do the like maybe Naps on You thing, which is the best, the best, because I just, oh, it was just like, get to meet the thing. new nephew and like get to do the baby nap, which is, uh, it's a best baby sleeping on you.

You're just like, I feel so whole. Oh, God, Sunday football with my first kid and, and he would just fall asleep on me and I'm watching football. I'm like, uh, it doesn't, it doesn't get much better than this right now. Oh, God. Um, I just have a question, you know, when you were going through this, this sort of oscillation between hope and despair. You know, it's like there's hope and then it gets stripped from you and then and then the hope comes back.

I mean, how was that roller coaster and how did you just even mentally, how did you mentally deal with that? Yes. And it was, it was exactly that. Like every two minutes, it would change. The phone would ring in the house and it was like it was, we were, we had a whole thing. Anna would take Elvis outside because Elvis would, you know, once he was taken from me, he was straight screaming. So Elvis would go outside. Todd would set up the recorder, like he would grab his phone, set up the recorder and then also like get a pen and paper, like to take notes. I would put the doctor on speaker. And so we had this whole system. And innately, you know, it was either good news or bad news. And then we would hang up the phone. And then literally like a half hour later, the phone would ring. And it would be the exact opposite news. and you would, and so it was just literally like this constant daily, like high and low. I remember Biggie, you saying something to me one day, you were like, gosh, the high and low. It's like one day you're high, the next day you're low.

Because it's like literally you can't, honestly, I don't know how, I don't know how, and we all did it. So, I mean, like they were all there. I mean, I think I just focused on getting through. And I truly did believe you guys that the end would. be hope. So I think I just got there thinking, this is a roller coaster of up and downs and circles and twists and loops,

but I'm going to ride in at the end, like, you know, so I just focused on that, but. Were you able to be in the hospital? I don't, I mean, or you were. Yeah, finally, yes. Oh, God. It was also another high and low because you'd be at the hospital. hospital and I'd leave drive and I'd have to like drive home so on my way home from cedars I'd be like

crying but then I would have to walk in the door and Elvis would be walking towards me like with the biggest smile on his face and so and I had to immediately switch into mom mode of like hi because he hadn't seen me in like four or six hours and so so what is this what's the silver lining here you know what I mean like you with this experience that has been so public and, you know, it's just so intense, really. There's so, I believe in silver lining sort of for everything. And that's been sort of the buzzword with this whole COVID experience just in general. I think everyone is trying to find that silver lining.

I think there are many of them. If any, what is the silver lining here for you at the end of the day? I mean, honestly, there are so many. And even in a horrible, tragic thing that happened to me, to us, to Nick's family, you know, the fact that we all got to live together and got to be so close. Anna, Todd, and I now have a new bond. We call a new circle in our family. We have a new circle in our family and it's the three of us. And we're very close.

We're forever bonded now in a way that, you know, is. undestructible Elvis, the fact that Elvis got to know his auntie and uncle so well, to know my family, his grandparents so well, hit Nick's mom so well. That time, I mean, that time together, we would never have. I mean, you guys know as a big family, you never are all together for 90 days. Especially as adults with other kids and responsibilities. Like the fact that we all got to be together, Nick's mom from Canada, got to come and, be with us like that will never happen again and the fact that it did and we got to all be so close and be together huge silver lining um i mean my my faith it got stronger i mean that's a huge silver

lining me personally um just like do you talk do you talk to him do i talk to nick yeah yeah i talked to neck a lot. I talk to him a lot when I'm driving. Driving's my hardest time. Driving in at night are when I, like, am most sad. So I talk to him at night a lot and driving around town in L.A. and, you know, act like he's sitting in the car next to me. Have you had experiences, you know, I mean, visitation experiences, dreams, like feelings, you know? I've had one, which I talk about in the book, so I can't share it, but that's it. I am so mad that, you know, other people will text me and be like, I dreamt of Nick last night.

And I'm like, great. I wish I did. So, yeah. Have you guys? Todd, have you dreamt of Nick? No. No, I haven't dreamt of it. But I, like, I called the girls a while back because I'm clearly still processing everything.

And I remember this actually goes back to your question. about silver linings is that I felt like of all of the sisters, I actually unfortunately didn't know Nick as well because of the majority of their

time together, Amanda and Nick were in New York. And so by the time I got to L.A., he was in the hospital. But one of the biggest silver linings for me was that the I got to see like the best of humanity like consistently showing itself to my sister to help and I feel like that not only a like the result of how Amanda was processing it so publicly and remaining so positive but also a reflection of like who my brother-in-law was as a person

yeah so for me it's like in a way i feel like i've gotten to know him through like i've gotten to see aspects of his personality through the the responses to him from other people like just saying like how how much he meant to him even when i was just with amanda like for my birthday and she was we're sitting at dinner and she's like i've got to show you this real that Nick used to go on the auditions and the guy that would film the auditions put together this reel and he prefaced it with how he always enjoyed working with Nick

and like no matter what the circumstances were when Nick was preparing for these roles how it was always like an enjoyable experience despite whatever the stresses may have been and so Amanda and I were watching this reel and so it was just like another piece of that like of his life that I've gotten to see through the experience and and also like being able to know Nick's mom and Nick's siblings better through all this.

So, yeah, those are those are a lot of the silver linings for me. And did you? Oh, go ahead. This would have been the first year. Like in 2019, when it started and all of 2018, we've all, there's always been at least two or three of us in the same place at once like the siblings living in the same city

in 2019 was going to be the first year ever that we were, everyone was in a different city. I was in Paris, Thomas in San Francisco, Ali is now in Canton, Tracy's in Houston, and Amanda was in L.A. It was like, what? Like, no cloutes are together. Like, we were all like, this has never happened.

And instead, it ended up being the year where we were all together. We were all together in the same house for 90 days together, like more together than ever. It was a weird thing. Like it was the year we were supposed to be apart. And instead the world was like, I don't think this is a good idea. I feel like there's going to be so many people who are going to feel just a lot of love from the story. A very intense reminder, like, it's just we need our family and the importance of family. And also, you know, like, too, I think one thing, another silver lining, I'm big on silver linings too, Oliver, is that if you aren't close to your family, like try, try to, like, this is when you need to,

like, try to reach out, like, I think, you know, I think it's important to cross that barrier. And if you've had a fight with somebody, you just, like, pick up the phone and be like, you know, what? But life is short. Like, what are we fighting about still? Is it still important? Can we work through this? Can we get past this? Can we, like, learn to love each other again?

Is that possible? If there's, like, an inch of possibility, like, can we try to get there? I think that's, like, so important because it's just this pandemic. What I think hopefully it has taught us is that we have to, you know, remember how important life is and be grateful for the things that we have. And if we have them, don't push them away, bring them closer to me. Yeah, it's so, it's so true. Yeah. All right, let's do the speed round. This has been so awesome. Yes. Okay, one word to describe each sibling. Okay. Oh, my God. You go first. Um, for Todd, for Amanda, um, I would say like, uh, like ambitious.

Amanda is ambitious, go-getter. Todd, I think OCD comes to mine. I'm sorry. I'll say Todd, helpful. Anna, fun. I like fun. I like Todd. Yeah, I would say Anna hilarious, Amanda Gregarious.

Ooh, that was. A lot of Ariuses. Music on repeat you listen to as a kid This will actually probably be different Because you guys are different in ages Yeah, what was that album that just stayed on repeat? Vice World Yes

I still know all the lyrics to every song I think I was new kids on the block Yeah, that's me and Amanda Yeah For me it was probably like Qie Lewis the News is album four Wow that is very specific You said that like a question mark

but it was very I mean The reality is you knew exactly what it was Who's the most competitive Most competitive I'm going to say it's Amanda Oh it has to be here In our sibling circle I think Ali Allie's like the, if you're playing a game,

Ali wants to win. Oh, yeah, true. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Tracy is super competitive, too. Think of all those contests, Tracy won. Super Bowl contest, that contest at work, where she, yeah, Tracy is a good competitor.

Maybe. Who is the rule breaker? Anna. I'm going to say, I think that we've. I could have. Anna, number one quote is, that's not real. That's not a rule. Like, I'll be like, Anna, I'm pregnant.

I can't, you know, I don't know. I'm like, that's not real. Yes, that's not real. You can have sushi. And I'm like, you don't know. You've never been pregnant. Who's the comedian in the house? Anna.

Oh. Yeah, or Allison, though. Allison, yeah. I would say Allie and Anna are a lot of the genesis, a lot of the comedy comes from those two. Like, yeah. Biggie, you're funny too. I might create, I might start a lot of the comedy. If I need a comedy pickup, I'm calling Biggie.

I'm calling Todd. Really? I feel like I'm only funny if I'm really frustrated or if I'm reacting to something that you guys are doing and you think my reaction is funny. Biggie, you're always frustrated. That's why you're always... Okay, who's the brain again? Amanda, I think, got the... Didn't she have the best GPA?

No, I did. 4.126. I was 10 in the class. You had 100. I had 600 in my class. 4.126. Yes. I was above a 4.0, Kate.

I was also above a 4.0, and I had higher ACT. scores. I had the high scores in the family. Those tests aren't real. Well, we should revisit that. Who's the most competitive question? What about first celebrity crush?

Oh, the guy from Sugar Ray, he was on my planner. Oh, Mark McGrath? Oh, my God, Mark McGrath. Zach Efron High School, maybe. Zach Effron.

Zach Ephron. Zach Ephron. High school musical, Zach Ephron. Okay. What was yours, Biggs? Oh, for sure. Carrie Fisher. Oh, of course.

From Star Wars. Princess Leia and the gold bikini from Return of the Jedi. Yeah, of course. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good. Who's the most laid back? Anna. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah. Who do you go to? go to for relationship advice. Oh, that is complicated. They all go to me once it's in a crisis.

But the sister's like, my sense anyway, is that before it hits crisis, they'll be talking amongst themselves and then I get a call. I'm like the red phone, pick it up and it's like people are in tears.

I call someone different depending on what the relationship thing I'm seeking advice is on. Yeah. Or like how scandalous it is. So you're, so you've got a lot of scandal. How scandal level would be Amanda and it would go down from there to Tracea at the bottom. Tracy is no scandal. Tracy, you can't talk to Trace. If there's a scandal, you never call Tracy.

No. Our devalcats in Houston. First concert. Spice Girls. Amy Grant. Amy Grant. Yeah. Oh, my God.

Like 1985. Amy Grant, I think. That's awesome. Amy Grant. That's amazing. Is that in Canton? No. Cleveland.

Cleveland. Yeah. Are you guys drinkers? I mean, or just you are. Okay. What are we drinking? What do we like? Keel or vodka.

Oh, Nogroni is my favorite with gin or mezcal. Oh, I love a Nogne. I live in France now. I drink wine with lunch. Oh, which is coarse.

And I wasn't called a, you know, the pastis. Oh, yeah. Oh, pastis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I ordered pastis, you guys, I thought that it was like a not very alcoholic option. and then later learned it's like 47% alcohol. And I was like, it's like Uzo. I once got a... Wait, wait, you guys, what is Tiste? When I was like 21 to...

Pastis. And it was... Pastis is like a licorish-based drink. It's supposed to be like an aperitif. Oh, okay. But... But I do bezaun... I don't know why.

You just like, I take my pest piece with a little bit of almond syrup and water and then it doesn't taste like licorice anymore because I hate licorice. But I'm just like to do anything the French do so I fit in. So I'm like, Papa, wait. A barzapan drink. It's like a barzapan and fennel. Okay, guys, last question we ask everybody is, it's a two-part question. The first part is if you could emulate something.

of your sibling, a characteristic? What would that be? And the other part of the question is if you could alleviate something from them that would actually, you feel would make their life more fulfilling? What would that be? I know my alleviate for Todd would be stress. Get rid of Biggie's stress. I want all stress removed from Biggie's life. I want him to live stress free and and just frolic, frolic in the fields of San Fran. Yeah, I want to put Biggie in the hammock in the Maldives and have him enjoy it instead of, like, I hate this hammock in the sun.

Yes. I would love to emulate Biggie's level of thinking of other people and, like, just in a constant state of, like, what can I do to make this person's little day or moment more special and, like, better for. for them. That's very tough. I would like to take Todd's, I hope to be a

great parent, I don't know if I'm using the right words, I want to be a great parent like my brother. You are a great parent. What do you do? Well, I know, but my baby's only 18 months. And, you know, you've been a great parent for 11 years, so I want to be a great parent.

So I would want to take Amanda's positivity, because I'm a super negative person. I would want to take Anna's, I think, like comedic like filter that she has like on her like worldly outlook. Like she's always telling me these hilarious stories of,

like she told me this one about how she was in this market in Paris and there was like this person walking away with this whole like basket of leaks And she's like, my head immediately went to like, what is this man going to do with all those leaks? Follow the leaks. And I was like, the fact that you have these thoughts. It's just constant like. I do feel like weird lens. Oh my gosh.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I'll take your weird lens. And I will alleviate your ADHD. Oh, such bad ADHD, the worst. Yeah, yeah. I would take your ADHD away from you. I'm trying to get help.

I would make you stay focused on an issue. I know. Think of all the things I could get. I like that. Anna, no. Amanda. I would love to alleviate Amanda's destructive qualities of

in the home. Like Amanda is the messiest person I've ever met. I wish I could just give some organization help that she could stick to. It's a disaster. And when you're living, Meaning like the kitchen, isn't it?

Like the kitchen, the clothes, like everything. Everything is a disaster. Todd and I send each other's secret videos of the destruction and exchange. Like, look what I woke up today. You were doing it throughout quarantine the whole time. I was sending videos like four theme movies and sending them to Todd. I wish I could help you with that. It would improve your life, big time.

And I wish I, if I could take something, from Mandy your Amanda's work ethic is the most insane thing I've ever witnessed she never stops she goes goes goes all day long no matter what job she has no matter how many jobs she has she just will continue to work for herself and now her son like I've never seen anyone do and that is not me at all I'm like let's take a three hour lunch with wine so that would be a great thing to be able to steal from you because you work hard I love it. You guys, thank you for doing this. But before we go, I do want to ask, are you still going to do workouts? Yes, yeah, I'm still going to, because right now, you know, luckily with

quarantine, I just started a subscription series. I'm turning that now into an app. So that will just be something I'll just fit into my schedule at some point. And then I teach these live classes on Saturdays. So luckily I'm able to still keep it going. I mean, it's, you know, I've built that business from the ground up. It's like my baby and it's what I started for myself after my divorce. It's such a part of me that I definitely, and I love teaching, so I don't want to, I don't want to stop that, you know? Good for you. Cool. All right, well, you guys, I love you. Thank you guys. Thank you. Happy holiday. This was really fun. Happy holidays. Yeah, back at you. You guys, very, you're inspired. You're

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