Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Behind Bride Wars with Casey Wilson

Episode Date: January 6, 2025

Kate Hudson played a bridezilla in the movie "Bride Wars" co-written by Casey Wilson who joins the revelry with her brother Fletcher.Find out how one of the best romantic comedies came to be and why i...t almost got an "R" rating!Plus, the outrageous skit that landed Casey a job on SNL, and a candid confession from Kate and Oliver about what REALLY motivates them.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:43 Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth.
Starting point is 00:03:07 Sibling Reveory. That's good. You look depressed. I'm not depressed. I'm not depressed. But what you're looking at is just... Are you annoyed?
Starting point is 00:03:27 No. What you're looking at, is maybe I just can't kick this goddamn cold Oh you're annoyed at the cold It's just like It's so frustrating Have you done any
Starting point is 00:03:38 Have you done a Whatchamacallet? Oh yeah I did a Whatchamacall it That was amazing I mean honestly we should have the founder of Whatchamacall it on because it's like I just think Have you done an Ivy?
Starting point is 00:03:54 That was a great candy bar Still is Oh, but what Jima Callitz? I haven't done much. Here's the thing I had a, I think I relapsed, you know, because I wasn't feeling great all week, sort of like, and then Friday, I was like, oh, I feel pretty good. And then I drank whiskey.
Starting point is 00:04:11 We'll talk about this with the Wilson's. Fletcher and we, yeah, go ahead, because you know Casey. Well, so Casey, she wrote Brides Wars. Yes. So Casey and June were the writers on Bride Wars. And, whew. Are they here? Yes.
Starting point is 00:04:29 Hi. Hi, Kate. Hi, Oliver. Hi, how are you? And so, yeah. This is my brother. Hi, everybody. Hello.
Starting point is 00:04:40 What's up, guys. Fletcher. So I was just telling Oliver about how we know each other, which is Casey and June, wrote Bride Wars, which was originally a very rated our bride war. that was at Miramax and then Miramax fell apart and Fox picked it up New Regency and then
Starting point is 00:05:09 slowly but surely it became a PG version of what Casey and June initially wrote so basically I don't want to go through more of like how it's distributed like the kind of behind the curtain like how many theaters it was it
Starting point is 00:05:26 in case I can name. No, because this is important. No, the analytics are interesting too. Fox did a co-pro with Warner's, but then like a Zadlox. Because we were ahead of the curve when it came to like a very rated R female comedy
Starting point is 00:05:41 and they didn't want to do it. But when Judd Apatow wanted to make bridesmaids, they were very happy to be a little bit more what we were trying to initially do to begin with. We were ahead of the curve. We were ahead of the curve. And then we kind of got a little smushed by them wanting it to be PG.
Starting point is 00:06:02 But Casey and June wrote the most, I wish, I sometimes wish we could put out that original script. Because it was so deeply funny. Well, you hired two people that had not only never, like, written anything. We, like, never even written down our sketch show. And we're pitching you and you're living in like a 45-minute pitch. We didn't know it should be shorter and you were so friendly to us. And we love you for hiring us. Thank you. Well, it was the best. Welcome to sibling revelry. Hi, guys. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thanks for having. And thanks for having my brother. He certainly never had his moment in the sun before.
Starting point is 00:06:40 I mean. In his own career, in his own career. I'm four years younger, so there's, you know, a lot of time still. Where are you, Fletcher? Are you in Los Angeles? I'm not. I'm in the Philadelphia area now. A lot of time in San Francisco and back, back east. Not a performer, guys. I'm so sorry. I mean, you really keep hammering that. I mean, I feel like I want to establish that I chose not to be a performer. I mean, listen, you could have been.
Starting point is 00:07:09 Anyone can just be an actor, right? It's just who's got the time. Oh, here we go. Here we go. But Fletcher, what do you do to contribute to the society? Thank you, Homer. This is a good question. You want to tell him what you do?
Starting point is 00:07:23 Yeah. I kind of want to hear Casey pitch it. First, but... My brother has a toilet business. Yeah. Do you sell totoes? No, I wish it was tootos. No, why don't you tell Fletcher?
Starting point is 00:07:36 They're public? I got excited because I was like, maybe I'm going to get a discount on a toto. Listen, I can see what I can do, but no, that's sort of the pitch my five-year-old still has, that my dad makes toilets. Yeah. What we are trying to do to contribute to society,
Starting point is 00:07:52 Oliver, I love the framing, is we are trying to solve the public. bathroom infrastructure problem. So we are selling these really nice solar-powered bathrooms to cities to put all over the place so that there's always a really nice bathroom, whether you're a parent with children, someone who's maybe
Starting point is 00:08:07 housing disadvantaged, all these different facets of society. But the three of us do important work. We're doing the real work. Right. entertaining those people before they go to the... Right. Right. Right. Right. Or after. Exactly. Or if we're... If we don't do
Starting point is 00:08:23 well, then there's a place for them to throw up. It all fits together. It all fits together. Everyone is doing their part here on this. Wow, that's actually really cool. I actually kind of want to know more about it. It's actually an amazing business, I will say, and it's doing incredible. And they have them in L.A. in MacArthur Park.
Starting point is 00:08:46 Say what the city told Fetcher. If the toilets are not burned down, it is a success. Yes. And they are still standing. Now, they're all over L.A. and hopefully, more to come. But yeah, Throne. Throne is the name of the company. My wife came up with the name, not me. It can't take credit there. But yeah, yeah. But I will say from an early age, Casey was pretty clear to tell me, Fletcher, you're not the performer in the family. Let me take
Starting point is 00:09:10 the stage. So I've graciously handed that over and focused on different different. Fletcher, let me ask you a question, though. Were you wanting to be a headliner, a front man? And Casey was like, hey, Fletcher, fuck off. This is my shit. I mean, there is video footage from our living room that would like very clearly, pointed exactly that. What did you say? Fletcher, get off the stage.
Starting point is 00:09:36 What's the famous line? Oh, yeah. Pletcher, get out of here. Get on with it. Yeah, yeah. But I will say no. I've liked, I have a deep appreciation for movies and comedy. And I even did, Casey, would you call it an embarrassing phase of my life where I did do
Starting point is 00:09:53 some stand-up comedy for... You're humiliating. No, you did. He's like in the tech world in San Francisco and he's like, heading to my set. I'm like, get a hold of yourself. Get a grip. I have a cult following of seven friends
Starting point is 00:10:07 who enjoyed my sets, but I did fly my sister and dad in and had just a bad... I mean, I've done this 15 times, but I did have a bad night with my sister in the audience and I saw her just kind of like, just stick to your lanes. Was really the patient.
Starting point is 00:10:20 Having her in the audience, did that make you feel? more nervous? Yes. Hold on. Give me a bit. Give me one bit. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:10:30 Give me, I want one, Flexor. I mean, sure. I mean, I think, I think the key. I'm shocked. You remember it all. It's right at the. It's right at the fingertips.
Starting point is 00:10:42 I'm a short man. You might not be able to tell here. I'm a five foot five gentleman. And I think the bit was, and sorry to other comedians if this is already out there. But it was about shopping and how I had found that the 29 lengths always seemed to be up high on the shelf and how I was recruiting other short gentlemen to, you know, help Sherpa me to the top and, you know, self-deprecating, following my sister's footsteps where her bread and butter has been. Okay.
Starting point is 00:11:10 I like that. There's something there. You've lost Kate, but you've kept all of her. No, no, I'm in because I think you could do, you know, like a leg up where someone steps on your hands or you can do shoulder, you know what I mean? like there's there's a world to go there with this bit like after after we're after we finish this podcast let's exchange numbers and work on it do a little mentorship I'm just curious did do you feel nervous when I watch your shows no because you don't watch my shows well that's nice you don't hate it as an episode exactly do you watch the first
Starting point is 00:11:48 one like the pilots or do you just not nothing no my family doesn't really watch the kind of content that I do definitely that's not true I definitely watched the pilots my favorite of Oliver's was Nashville I watched everything and then I would definitely watched me she watched for Connie that's true but you were in it and you were helping this is true I and I loved I watched two episodes of the cleaning lady okay and he was great splitting up together I definitely watched splitting up together. What are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:12:25 I watched all the way up to the time when you were with the girl, the new girl. That was the first episode. That was like the fifth episode. Here's the thing. Hold on. Here's the thing. Kate thinks that. Yeah, don't watch that.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And just like that. And just like that, right. We got a different title. Kate knows how talented I am. The problem is that she doesn't think I'm talented as an actor. She goes, you need to write and produce and direct. more. So she's always giving me these backhanded compliments of like,
Starting point is 00:12:56 those could be, you know what you should read, you do? Oliver, Oliver, you're such a good writer. Oliver, you're such a good writer. You're not such a good writer.
Starting point is 00:13:04 You're an exceptionally good writer. Your voice is so... You're an exceptionally good writer. You're exceptionally, you know, well, I think you've already shown the great promise and talent and directing. I'll win Academy Awards,
Starting point is 00:13:21 but just in, 10 to 20 years. That's what's going to happen. But for now, you can catch me on Netflix with Alicia Silverstone on a Christmas movie, you know, so. That's not easy to. Well, I haven't shot it yet in February, you know. But this is, like, this is the big shit that Oliver Hudson is doing.
Starting point is 00:13:41 You know what I mean? Like, Kate's like I work with Hugh Jackman. I'm doing this. Hold on a second. She's legendary. This is exciting. That is exciting. Did you just find this out?
Starting point is 00:13:52 this morning? No, no, no, I've known this. I just don't tell people my accomplishments. I don't want people, I don't want my family to get jealous. Like, Wyatt is doing so nice of you. Lyons and talks. I'm actually excited. It's, it's really sweet and cute and wholesome and, you know, it's so cute. Yeah, it'll be fun. And she's, she's a dream. Yeah, but, but, and then we'll get into you guys, but let's just talk about my career. This is promoting a show I was doing. No, no, no, no, no. This is nothing to do with you. No wait. Well, I'm just saying, so Netflix has taken, is doing the Hallmark Christmas thing.
Starting point is 00:14:31 And there's these Christmas shows that are out now. They're all number one. Like, they're all number one. But I click on some of them, and it's insane. There's one show called Hot Frosty. Okay. Have you seen this? I have seen Hot Fosty.
Starting point is 00:14:44 Is this when the guys are dancing? No, that's the other one with Chad Michael Murray. Oh, I saw that. I saw that hot Frosty. too, Casey. So all of a sudden I'm watching Chad Michael Murray as like some like handyman who is doing Fulmonte. Handsome handyman. And then
Starting point is 00:15:02 Hot Frosty was, there's a snowman and they put a scarf around the neck because this girl Lacey Shamblitter or whatever cannot find a man and I guess hot frosty turns into this like hot fucking dude with abs and hair. I'm like is this what I'm getting into
Starting point is 00:15:18 because I am not hot frosty. You got to get ready. I don't know. Wait. No, I've got gray chest hair and like Italian chains. Was that a Hallmark movie? This is on Netflix right now. These are the Christmas movies that are getting put out on Netflix. They're pushing the envelope.
Starting point is 00:15:34 I got nervous. Oh, gosh. Well, you know what? I'm a small town doctor in this. Who strips? Who strips? Who strokes? Totally.
Starting point is 00:15:48 This is, Casey is the right person. and we, to rewrite the script. And I'll be sending you every scene. And then I'll write a small but powerful part for my brother. There you know. A seasonal moment. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 00:16:05 Casey Fletcher, where did you guys grow up? Before we get into this, I love the toilet thing. I just want to say Fletcher. I'm sort of more interested in that than Casey's career. I just want to be, because I do think that you can expand this because you know how there's pop-up shops and stuff. stuff, people go pop-up restaurants or pop-up. You could do pop-up public toilets.
Starting point is 00:16:26 We're doing it. We're doing it. But then they go away. It's like, bang, just destroy the shit out of this, pun intended, and then we're just going to take them away. Is that kind of what we're dealing with? You've got to get, they're trying to keep them there. And we do both.
Starting point is 00:16:39 We do events. I mean, there's a lot to it. But, yeah, it's a lot. I think, I think you're going to love it. Pop up. By the way, you can have this. Pop-up potty's done. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:16:50 there you go I'm writing it down I'm writing it down he says you can have it but he's always looking for a dollar just give him 0.5% and he'll be and you'll never hear
Starting point is 00:17:02 so where did you guys grow up we grew up in Alexandria of Virginia which is like five minutes from Washington D.C. Hmm yeah our mom's from Tacoma Park oh wow
Starting point is 00:17:17 yeah and you know it's so funny I was just listening to The governor of Virginia this morning on the news talking about how he's making tips. There's a lot happening there, guys. And there was a lot happening in the early 80s on Fletcher and I were running around. Our parents treated us a bit different. Fletcher, they funneled money into his private school education, and they left me in public. It was a double-blind experiment, and we're still waiting for the results.
Starting point is 00:17:47 And I'm an actor, and Fletcher is a mechanical. engineer. I can't even add. They said I was thriving socially. So they left me in the public school. That's good. I mean, you should be proud of that, you know. Thank you. Wait, how many years apart are you guys? Four. Three. Four, three, four. Three to four. Well, that's, that's actually, like, interesting. And you're, are, and you're older or younger? Who's older? So, oh, so the baby got all the, all the, I mean, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was, I was. I was. I was. I was. oddly like kind of ripped out of public school in the middle of a week in fourth grade and it was unclear that this experiment was being we did not consent to this double bind experiment but I was kind of thrown into a different world and I I don't I don't know what if there was it was exceptional exceptionally like gifted in math and so I think they thought let's put our money
Starting point is 00:18:40 behind him but they built but for their credit to their credit they built a stage or my dad built a stage in our backyard for Casey to basically, you know, throw a off, off, off, Broadway kind of production of the neighborhood. That is awesome. So I think they put their investments where they felt they should go, I feel like. And is it, is it only the two of you guys? Yeah. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:05 So just childhood growing up, especially four years apart, you know, the sibling relationship starting off with that. I mean, it was, was there, was there one only because you were so far apart? We definitely did. We fought a lot, but we had a good relationship, I feel like. Our parents were such humongous characters, like larger than life personalities. They were both in politics. I cannot wait to get into that because the Democrat, Republican, like, that's just so interesting.
Starting point is 00:19:34 Anyway, keep going. Sorry. They're just huge personalities. So I feel like they took, they occupied a lot of the air. And then I did, of course. And then Fletcher. And it was like Italian, a lot of yelling, a lot of very funny, fun people, but it was louder a lot. And then Fletcher and I've also had a constant running, like,
Starting point is 00:19:50 who does our dad love more? And that's a topic, I don't know if you all have spent any time on. Yeah. Both my parents love Oliver more. So it's fine. Oh, it's easy. Yeah. I mean, love is not the word, but definitely, uh, lean towards, like,
Starting point is 00:20:08 look, I'm a really personable, you know, person that I walk into a room and it fucking lights up. What do you want me to do with it? I can't help that. I can't talk about it. So who do you think, like, if you really were to throw it, like, who would dad choose? Well, I mean, I think the interesting thing here is we both believe that dad loves the other one more. It's an opposite debate.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And we bring evidence to try to support each of our own theories here. Yeah. So something's going on. Dad needs to talk about it. It's like he's going to reveal something that has. never been revealed. Who's he going to call? I think he's going to call me. I think he's going to call everyone in town that day. Yeah, everyone that he can get his hands on of mass text 2,000. With the governor of Virginia on there. Yeah. Are you guys, you're Italian? Is it both
Starting point is 00:21:04 your friends? Our mom is Italian. Yeah. And they're not still together? My dad is remarried with a stepmom that they were living together until she passed away like, God, 15 years ago, I would say. Oh, wow. So were you, how old were you when she passed? I was like 24, I think, Fudge were you? And we were both to go on a senior year of college. You were, yeah, four years out. And we were about to go on a family vacation the next day.
Starting point is 00:21:33 And we just got a call and she had a heart attack in the middle of the night. Such a freak kind of thing because she was 54. It was really crazy. Oh, I'm sorry. That is so, that's so crazy. I know. Oh, that's a terrible. Was she, and it was just out of nowhere?
Starting point is 00:21:52 Yes. Did they find out anything about her heart or? Some, you know. Yeah, some hearsay, but in general, I mean, it was kind of just a bad, bad luck deal. Yeah. She was great. We tend not to debate who she loved more.
Starting point is 00:22:10 That feels more painful. That was harder. We put it all on Paul Wilson at this point, but. No, she was a character as well. Casey gets a lot of her edge from her mom. What did your parents do? So my dad made political commercials for Republicans, like those ads that are like John Roberts.
Starting point is 00:22:29 That we all love. That we all love those happy, beautiful ads. And then our mom was actually a female rights advocate, an activist, and she ran the National Women's Political Caucus to get women elected across up and down the ticket. So she was very liberal and working in that kind of way. And our dad was, he was also speechwriter and, you know, they covered, they ran the gamut. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Although our dad, I do have to say, is socially, extremely liberal. Oh, he is. He is. Yes. Yeah. And I think at this point as a Democrat. And this was, this was the Republican Party in the 80s, 90, you know. Assuming that they dealt with it very civil, civilly, right?
Starting point is 00:23:09 Like they were, or was there contention in the household, political contention? There was just contention Generally It has nothing to do with politics They just hate each other I think I think there was a There are many stories of high drama
Starting point is 00:23:30 With keys getting thrown through windows Or laptops ending up in dumpsters Like a chair broken over someone But then the laughs came pretty quick after Yeah I would say it was a combination of these Like very intense moments Where we have you know Intense stories in cases
Starting point is 00:23:44 C and I were often the ones kind of putting the piece together or saving face in some ways, but also everyone thought of our family and our parents as these hilarious characters that you wanted to be around, like Oliver, just lighting up rooms as you come in. Yeah, everything, anyone, unlike
Starting point is 00:24:00 Kate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She just had that ability. Yeah, that special something. It would be nice. Yeah, would. I just darken. I I seem to darken rooms. I go, I walk in, and they get real dark and gloomy. Right.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Our parents are both very funny, and boy, humor can get you so far, I think. Because they were big personalities, but mainly just so funny and fun and strange. And, you know, they, in our town, like, one time our dog ran away, and then 10 years later, a dog came up on the porch that resembled our dog, and my parents were convinced it was their dog. Now this, now this would make the dog like 18, 19. We get the dog, all it shots. They posed for the cover of the like Alexandria, Washington, D.C. magazine.
Starting point is 00:24:52 And then we find out later it was a four-year-old dog. It wasn't our dog at all. Who had been hit by a car. And that's why it was limping. That's hysterical. The things they did were just very strange. But they were kind of magical thinkers. It didn't.
Starting point is 00:25:06 The dog didn't seem to respond to its name. So the signs were there from the start. But my mom's like, because he doesn't remember it. It's been so long, but he always comes home. were they the kind of parents that like like really like were they more creative and you know easy like more like a kind of easy going creative think outside of the box type of parents or were they you know you go to school you do your homework there's like definitely more creative it was very like catch a catch catch can of like we love the movies and we used to go to the movies remember on like a sunday night our dad would open the paper like let's go and go see a double feature of like not at night, just obsessed with the movies and really funny. They were very creative, but out there, you know, our dad, especially after, and I've written about this a bunch, but especially after our mom died, our dad, you know, he had a period
Starting point is 00:25:57 of readjustment. He got a perm and he did some things that are hard to see his dad do, you know, and that we had to live through that and field questions about that perm. You mean the perm essentially was his midlife crisis, like a Republican with a perm business sound. I'll see it every day. No. Well, he found a $20 bill.
Starting point is 00:26:19 This is true on the street. And he brought it into the barber and he said, I want to look like Andrew Jackson. You just like to look like the way I might bring your picture, Kate into my stylist and say, like, give me the Kate Hudson. He said, give me the Jackson. And it was like a flowy, large barreled perm. Wow. That's a, that's an amazing choice. Yeah.
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Starting point is 00:31:27 All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the over-comfortable. podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. So I kind of want to understand that they probably took you out and put you in private school because you did you were actually like, you know, well no, yeah, well. I mean, just had, like, when you have a gifted, if you really had, like, you know, a tendency towards mass and you were gifted in mass. I just, I think, I think they're really, they wanted us to both be super successful at something. I think there was a drive.
Starting point is 00:32:24 It wasn't just like do whatever. I think they both feel like you're part of, part of life is to get really good at something, be passionate about something. And I think whenever they felt there was a direction to push in that they would push, but, or at least enable. but um right it's like you you could sit at a desk and you could solve a problem and that's where you shined whereas casey was just on stage's tab dancing writing jokes yeah i mean our mom was very passionate so my friends nicknamed her kathy i'll do anything for my daughter wilson which isn't i guess a great nickname but she was very passionate promoter of us both that's a good it's a good nickname it's just long it's long it doesn't roll off the time right
Starting point is 00:33:08 there's commas in there yeah yeah yeah did you find that when Fletcher when Casey was younger that like were like was she when you said dad built her a stage and
Starting point is 00:33:22 like could you tell that like she performing was going to be what she did it's a good question I think it was clear it's clear that she loved it and I think
Starting point is 00:33:37 No, it was I think early on it was musical theater. It wasn't comedy. I actually think it was when I clicked that my sister was really good at this is when you got more into comedy. I'm not saying you weren't a good actress. It's just like those productions were, you know.
Starting point is 00:33:53 You went to NYU and you were kind of doing drama, right? Yes, yes. I was. And then people were they would laugh during things I would do that I thought were more serious. That's a sign. That's a good sign. You were always trying to get a laugh. Now, I still feel when you do dramatic roles now that you've gotten the comedy
Starting point is 00:34:11 like out of, and when you go back to more dramatic roles, that's my favorite thing to watch for you. Now look, I'm not carrying these dramas. I'll be given a few lines here. I have something to see about this. I feel like comedies harder
Starting point is 00:34:27 is the wrong word. It's actually a much more difficult yes. 100% gift. Like a gift because part of it's a gift and then the other part is is I believe that the great comedians
Starting point is 00:34:41 and people who have great comedic timing are actually incredibly intelligent actors because you kind of have to walk this line and thank you so much thank you so much but it is you know and then I think usually what happens is that people that lend
Starting point is 00:34:57 towards comedy when they get older they start to get more into their dramatic roles and that actually usually comes probably a little bit easier than the comedy or they find at least for me it's like it's a little bit it's a little bit more uh it doesn't take as much energy like you know as as when you're trying to do something comedic yes yes no i totally agree but people who have comedic timing it's like
Starting point is 00:35:31 it's like something that you're given or when you don't have it it's hard to get people to laugh at a comedy club in San Francisco when you've just gone up one time. I kept here in some of the other nights you should have heard. Unless it get up a camera on those nights. There's some footage. Roll back the tapes.
Starting point is 00:35:53 We got to give Fletcher five minutes at the comedy stores. Yeah, like it's got to happen. You won't regret it. I got to see it. You will not regret it. that is funny Oliver
Starting point is 00:36:08 I was just curious to ask the question from before what is it like for you to watch Kate because I it has been a developing difficulty of like watching my sister
Starting point is 00:36:20 and giving feedback and I think we've gotten to a good place on that or not giving feedback but you know how to but it's always been very hard for me to watch Casey actually I'm curious to hear your thoughts on that why has it been
Starting point is 00:36:32 hard. Is that why you don't watch any of my stuff? Nervous? You're nervous. I watch. I watch. I'm very nervous for you. Like, S&L was the pinnacle of this where like it's live and like I'd be sitting there with my friends and someone would be like, I wasn't funny. Like about my sister a lot, you know, and it's so painful. It comes from a place of like really thinking like she'd be better in this other role, like knowing that you're very talented, but wondering what other people are thinking. It sounds as though I'm just curious. I don't know. I'm just curious.
Starting point is 00:37:05 It is very hard for us sitting. It sounds like you're an empath. It sounds like more like you're more sensitive to the criticism than even Casey might be. I think people who are like we know we're going to get criticized all you can't, you know what I mean. No matter what, some people are going to love you, some people are going to hate hate it, you know. Yeah, I don't get, I don't, I never got nervous with Kate. It was exciting. Honestly, I was just actually talking about.
Starting point is 00:37:30 about this yesterday that I think Kate right now is in this really cool place of sort of reclaiming her extreme talent as an actor. And she's been focused on her businesses and doing her thing when, you know, what she's great at, but you know, look, she's an amazing actor. But has sort of moved away from that a little bit.
Starting point is 00:37:55 And I think now it feels like there's this momentum into her sort of later years and probably going to do really cool shit. Yeah. That's what I, that's what I, that's what I'm feeling. She's got her music and her album. She's got all the other stuff. But in the last couple roles, it's like, okay, now we're moving into sort of the back
Starting point is 00:38:13 nine of your acting career. Ollie, I love you so much. That's what I do. No, I want you to direct a movie. I keep saying, you direct Katie. I have this movie. I want you to direct and I want to do it. That would be so great if you directed your sister.
Starting point is 00:38:28 I think that would be amazing. Oh, I'll do it. to be so good post not i'll do it kate i want to say something about your performing kate is it's so you make it look so easy that it's almost deceptive because it's so hard to do what you can do which is to light up the screen and make it look fun and easy and that is so difficult so i always have to i just have to tell you that it's incredible what you do i'm going to take this all in i'm that makes me feel good i was one more thing do i was at your house we were working on bribe wars when i got the phone call that I got on S&L.
Starting point is 00:39:02 I don't know if you remember that. I had to leave. Oh my God. Are you kidding? No. And I said, it's so weird. Lauren Michaels called me. I auditioned like eight months ago and you were like, oh, he's going to tell you you got on the show. I bet. I'm like, there's no way. I haven't heard one thing in eight months. And you were like he is. Wow. And you got ready. That was so exciting.
Starting point is 00:39:22 How was that audition, by the way? It was so terrifying. Truly terrifying. Truly. Just like a dark room. You can't see them sitting at the table. And they said, the good that they were like, they will not laugh. Yeah, Lauren won't laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:37 And then you wait alone for like four hours and you don't know when they're going to come in. And then they come in and you do it. And it's just very odd. So what do you have to do? You have to write your own sketch. Yeah, you have to write your own stuff. Do you remember what you did? I do.
Starting point is 00:39:51 Now, I just want you everyone to know it was a different time. Okay. Yeah. Let's, we can skip over. No way. Did you do something that was like, cancable of offense? I had done a bit for a while in L.A. And I did it in the audition.
Starting point is 00:40:07 And then I did it with Ashton Kutcher on the show, which is that I was a stripper who had unfortunately become quadriplegic. But I still wanted to strip. And I was a positive person. And so my handler would put me on people and I could still do my lap dances and my poll work. And I had to be aided. And, but it wasn't really lovely.
Starting point is 00:40:29 you know life-affirming character and so I did that and some other things but in hindsight you know we never want anyone to think I'm making fun of anyone no I do remember Paul Wilson and I were sitting what was an upright Citizens Brigade where you did the same skit live
Starting point is 00:40:45 and I'm sitting with my dad we didn't know this and she's doing the quadriplegic stripper and her boob pops out and she can't fix it because she's quadriplegic and my dad and I are standing like seven feet from her boob And she's moving around a lot because the guy behind her is
Starting point is 00:41:02 like that was like that is stained in my brain I can't even know that. Oh my God! So you didn't fix it? You just let it go. Well, I can't because I can't move and that's the kind of actor.
Starting point is 00:41:14 I am. You know, that's, I am as a performer and I adhered to the... I think too committed to that character. I would have loved if my acting partner had noticed that and help me out. Casey, going back actually just we jumped ahead but as far as comedy goes as far as understanding what you wanted to do you know
Starting point is 00:41:36 I know that seemed to happen after and my even though you were funny because you wanted to be in the arts you wanted to be an actor but you were in sort of the the dramatic world is that fair to say and then what happened to where it was like fuck you know what I'm I should just do funny well I met June Diane Rayfield, who's my best friend when we were 17, and a lot of people know her from Grace and Frankie. She played Brianna, the older sister. And at the time, we just decided to write a two-woman sketch show together. And so we did it. And it was so much fun. We loved it. And then we went and did it at Aspen's HBO Comedy Festival. And that's where this woman, Heidi Sherman Gray, from New Regency, as Kate mentioned, said, hey, there's this script, Pride Wars. We think you guys should
Starting point is 00:42:20 adapt it. So oddly, it was like very much involved, you, Kate, because in the course, of like two years suddenly but we cried when we found out because we wanted to be actors so in our heads we were like going to be like i was like i'm julia robert she's she's gay doesn't and then this agent was like we'd love to sign you guys and we're so excited and they're like as writers and we went to the bathroom and cried and i was like they think we're ugly it was so sad but then once we wrapped our heads around that we're like oh writing is incredible and and that's and then that was our first job we ever got was to write Bride Wars. Wow. As actors,
Starting point is 00:42:57 writers, as anything was our first job ever. Wow. Pretty cool. We wrote Fletcher in. Thank you, by the way. Oh, yeah, Fletcher was a character name that Chris Pratt played Fletcher. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Chris Pratt.
Starting point is 00:43:11 He says he doesn't get any glory, but yet, there he is. And I do love how that Bride War is just like there's so, there's, it just, It holds up. I can't even believe that, like, girls that are young now, like, is the next generation become, like, hooked on. And for some reason, it's the only movie that plays a dry bar.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Drybar has gotten that movie. 15 years of life. Why don't you guys adapt it for Broadway? Wow, Adapt it for Broadway. That is a good idea. It is a good idea with amazing music. Broadway is not a bad idea. Bride Wars on Broadway with amazing music and I mean it's it's it's it's the
Starting point is 00:43:58 It's actually a really good idea. It's actually like a great idea. It suits Broadway for sure, for real. Do you see a fucking talented I am just generally? It's like no one gets it. You're an idea man. That's incredible. Big, big time idea. Big time ideas. Big time. Big time. Bride Wars on Broadway. It does sound good. It does. I like the alliteration works. I mean, Jesus. Casey, this is going to happen. Yeah. We're, happy to sponsor. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:44:29 We're killing it right now. Yeah, I'll be directing. No, yeah, I'll direct it. Kate will light up the room when she walks in to the opening night. I'll bring my storm cloud. I'll just take a producing credit and a check. That's good. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah. But by the way, great idea. I love this idea. Yeah. Yeah. I'm Jorge Ramos And I'm Paola Ramos Together we're launching The Moment
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Starting point is 00:50:10 When you, so, so how is your experience? on S&L? It was tough, I'll be honest. I'm so grateful that I got on, but it was just, I went in by myself, so I didn't come in with like, here are the performers I'm with or the writers, like went in right after the first actor strike, and it just felt like you're like knocking on doors and like at someone's house almost like no one's introduced you. You're at a party and you're like wandering around and the host like hasn't kind of introduced
Starting point is 00:50:38 you is what I like in at you, but it was also incredible and fun and weird and it was one of those things were like you get the dream job of your life and then when I was only on for two years then suddenly you're like who am I if I didn't totally land the dream job that I had it's a mind fuck of like I was so devastated when I was let go but then it led to like all the other right things so it had like every high and low within it how how how are how how how were you let go how does that what does that look like how does it happen so it's it's actually the absence of something happening where my manager called them was like, so you know,
Starting point is 00:51:16 they send a fax when you're brought back. And she said she was watching the fax machine and that four faxes came through for her four other clients. And then she's like, and I'm checking the paper. Like, is it a paper issue? And it was not.
Starting point is 00:51:31 Wasn't a kind of a technical issue. Wait a minute. No one called you. It's just like, they don't really call you. They just sort of, it's like if you're not called kind of a thing. So it's definitely embarrassing.
Starting point is 00:51:42 You have to be like just double checking here. I just want to, just a quick. That's pretty intense. Double check. It is intense, but you know what? It's such a great show and I watch it every week. Damn it if I don't watch it every single week. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:54 It's also like our business is fucking harsh. Yeah. It's just like if you don't realize that going into it, you will never survive any of it. Well, you guys must have seen that up close like growing up in it. I mean, you have truly the most talented mother that's walked the earth. but did you feel that going into it, how harsh it was? It's harsh, yeah. No, but we're going into it.
Starting point is 00:52:20 I know how hard my mom has had to fight for things that she wanted. I watched her, like, really fight hard all the time, no matter how big of a movie star, if she was in her element or in her prime, if she wasn't, it's like constantly fighting for the things that she... Especially as a... female, obviously. She was doing this in a time where it was definitely not, you know, the norm where, you know, a female is having, producing deals at studios and, you know, it was a boys,
Starting point is 00:52:55 it was a boys club and she had to really fight for her shit. But I just think that it, it hasn't changed all that much, even though the dialogue has changed when it could talk about men, women, whatever. But, but most importantly, like, whether you're male or female, it's so hardcore. I mean, you know, from the beginning, from the auditioning process, and it's, it's like you're really putting, if you decide to be a performer, you're just like, you might as well love to jump in like the fire. I don't like to jump in the fire.
Starting point is 00:53:33 That's what I like to do. Letcher and I talk about that with his job, too, only because he's an entrepreneur. It's like, there's not that many jobs where you're constantly like auditioning for a new job every second. Just constantly having to put yourself back out there to try to get another job, even if that's not like an audition. It's just, there's just so much rejection.
Starting point is 00:53:51 And you face that too with like raising money and your business as well. I do think the one thing you all have that a lot of other folks don't is this sense of completion every once in a while. You get to do a project and like finish it. A lot of people's lives are like, just working towards the next goal and then what's the next thing, but it all builds. But you have these sort of like nice, tidy starts and finishes. and then you can kind of relax and not worry about that.
Starting point is 00:54:15 There's trade-offs, but you can't imagine in my world firing someone by not, just not faxing them. I mean, personally, we don't use fax machines either, by the way. I love that observation. You're so, like, that's so interesting because you're right. It's like we get these little creative babies that we actually get to, like, see through. See through. Yeah, although I will say, I wonder, like, I guess the intrigue is probably,
Starting point is 00:54:42 probably what I, you know, and the entrepreneurial thinking versus the actual execution of it is two different things. Like, I think there's a lot of people who are like entrepreneurial and the way they think, but really it's about how you follow through with your idea and whether they, you know, have real success or not. And like, I wonder if for you, for instance, like, what is the end game for you? And like, you hear you, you have this idea. You're following it. through. I can answer that question. It's a $5 billion exit. But like really, like, you know, because to be an entrepreneur means there's multiple ideas, there's multiple things that you're thinking. Yeah. I've heard that every entrepreneur has, it's motivated by either fame power or money,
Starting point is 00:55:32 and it's one or the other, and you're just going to, you might lie, but there's one of those. And for me, I actually think it's fame. Sal, be honest. Like, I like the idea. Like, I don't care. What a brave things to admit. You don't know what I'm great. I appreciate it. But I like the idea of building something that's really cool and those listening might not feel like, you know, solar powered smart bathrooms are cool. But I think I feel really strong about the mission.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And this is my second and you do these things for 10, 15, 20 years. But I like the idea of being known as the person who like, whatever, created the Uber of bathrooms or whatever. I kind of like that idea. And then it sparking other conversations. Uber of bathrooms Like maybe bathrooms on wheels Sure, it's in the patent
Starting point is 00:56:15 Okay It's there Over on the bathrooms That's what I'm going to say next time When someone asks me to tell them what it is I love that Because what is drawing you Like what an interest
Starting point is 00:56:25 Fame power Money Money Wow That's true And yours is valid It's like validation It is valid
Starting point is 00:56:34 And I don't know If it ties into the same I don't know Thread of what drives Casey or what But I kind of like, yeah, I think we both require some. Well, probably unconsciously, too, your sister's famous and you're not. So this is a way to sort of. So hard to hear it's so plainly.
Starting point is 00:56:51 That was a hard end. Well, I wouldn't be that. I wouldn't, I don't know if I would say that. I think famous is on my end and then not is. I can relate to Fletcher because I'm essentially, you know, a bit of the black sheep as far as career goes. you know, everyone's better than me and has done more than me and has done more success than me. It's like when Tony Robbins said to Oliver, yeah, you love that trophy. You keep holding on to that trophy.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Well, here's the issue. I'm a very self-deprecating person, of course. Which is the number one quality my brother and I find in any human. I just want to point that out. Yes. It's the number one quality there. But here's the fear of that. You know, I do believe that when you,
Starting point is 00:57:38 you say something enough, it starts to sink in and you actually then believe it. So my self-deprecation, even though, you know, a conscience, I'm like, well, it's just a joke. But I say it so much that it becomes part of my narrative, you know. The fact that I'm aware of that, that's another level that I can't, I don't know if I can unpack. But like, there's, I can, I'll unpack it for you. It's interesting, though, you know, we can be funny and be self-deprecating, but essentially that is that is fucking seeping into how we feel about ourselves i want to get back to this power money fame because fletcher i think like what you just said is actually a driving for most people in the things that they do like what like what is the unless you're like unless you even even in charitable
Starting point is 00:58:31 organizations right even in charitable work let's say what drives you personally yeah to want to do the thing that you do and and you know what i can answer mine it's money because i like to play i want to play i want to travel i want to like i love clothes like i love like lamps and like i love i'm like so i'm like so a d that i just want to like do different things and like i want to invest yeah so like money drives me i'm like oh if i make this money then i can you know go to india and buy a a bunch of textiles. Textiles have always driven you. But I think that that's something that we think is like something we shouldn't put out.
Starting point is 00:59:19 And like, oh, well, we shouldn't say that. But I think it's actually a really important thing. Like, Casey, what drives you? God, I was thinking about it. I'm like, but you both have reframed money and fame so nicely. I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to reframe power. It is power. It's a tough one to reframe.
Starting point is 00:59:35 Right. Well, power is more as broad. Money, boom, fame, boom, power. I mean, how do you define power? Probably just, like, power over other people, no kidding. Control, I think of control. Like, you don't want. Control.
Starting point is 00:59:50 I think I've got an older sister kind of like wanting to control things too much. So, mine's probably not as nicely realized as both of yours. I like that. But power is also like to have the power. It's also like a self-fulfilling thing too. Like choices, getting to do other things, getting to work with other people. Like, I love that idea of like, or. And I'm not trying to say, oh, I'm so altruistic.
Starting point is 01:00:10 But I do love helping people. And it just feels like with power comes a lot. And I think that is also something about being the older sister that's in control. Again, it's not great. I love this. Oliver, what about you? Oh, guess. Fame?
Starting point is 01:00:25 Power? What? No, I'm already like super famous. Money. You both photo. Lambs and textiles. Fine good. He was textiles, too.
Starting point is 01:00:37 That's like too. siblings with the same, like, entrepreneurial love language. It is. That's funny. We do. We just want to, like, we just want some money to, like, go fish. I'll fish with you. I'll wear really cute outfits and fish.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Money just to go, yeah, do the things I don't want to do. To just not be doing the thing you're doing. Right. But I wanted to say something that, you know, going back to, you know, what Fletcher said about how we have a sort of beginning, middle of an end and we have a little creative nugget. but I will say that most creative, most artists are completely afraid of where their next job is coming from.
Starting point is 01:01:14 To the point where that one ends and then you're like, oh, fuck, what happens next? And we live in a very unstable business where you could make a ton of money and then boom, you're making zero dollars. And that's how I've lived my life, that crazy instability where I'm going to show for seven years and I afford a lifestyle,
Starting point is 01:01:34 then bang, that shit is gone. I'm like, uh, okay, what the fuck now, you know? I think you're right, Oliver. And what motivates me probably is on some level because of Casey and, you know, wanting to be in that conversation, I think, not like in a begrudging way or jealous way, but I think it does motivate me in like a positive way. You know what? That's the most, that's the best thing I've heard from a sibling on this fucking podcast.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Because everyone, you're, you can't. No, there's an admission of wanting to. sort of reach a status that your sibling has because you want you there's a part of you that wants that a lot of their siblings we talk to are like no I'm good I don't want this or I have no this or blah blah but it's like yeah Casey's famous like I kind of want to be fucking famous too but I'll say this butcher is so smart I do think this butcher that my whole life I'm like I'm dumb I want to have some of like what you have it's an interesting thing we both have our labels of like I can't do this and you can't do that but I you're such a brilliant guy yeah I wish
Starting point is 01:02:36 Kate had something like that for me. I'm not sure what it is, honestly. Yeah. That leads us, let's do this since you do have to go, Fletcher. Let's do our last question, which is if you, it's a two-part question, like one thing that you admire about your sibling that is something you would love to emulate. And then the second part of it is, is what is the one thing that you wish you could alleviate from them that you think would make their life just a little bit?
Starting point is 01:03:06 better. It's a segment called alleviate and emulate. Should I go first? Yeah. Emulate. Casey is the best person in the world that I know at just striving to get better growth.
Starting point is 01:03:22 She's always got the next thing she's trying to do and like looking at the 18 year old version of Casey versus now is like a totally different person. The bones, the foundation is the same but she is relentlessly trying to to become a better person, either for herself or for other people or kids or whatever.
Starting point is 01:03:40 So that's, I think we could all emulate that. I think, who, alleviate. I think Casey and I shared this one. I wish I could alleviate it myself a little too, which is the people pleaser part. I think we're both like very, and it comes from our parents, but very focused on making sure people like us. And I think there are certain times that can inhibit growth or inhibit happiness. and I guess I wish I could alleviate 10% of that for you.
Starting point is 01:04:07 I relate. I relate to that. That's so nice. Yeah. I totally agree, Fletcher. We both have the people pleaser. I actually think you've done a lot better kind of forging your path and not caring as much in a good way, not in a way that you don't care about other people. I don't mean that.
Starting point is 01:04:23 I mean, because even that very thought is making you nervous because we're both so like we want people to. But I also would like to alleviate. I want more child care for you. And that's just a side of like that would be my. Claycher has four kids. But my compliment to you, Fletcher, is no, people want to be around you so much. Fletcher, to pick his groomsman, he did a weekend long competition for his 20 guy friends and the ones that, one, got to be the groomsman at his wedding.
Starting point is 01:04:52 And you make everything a competition, which drives people crazy and it's strange, but it's so fun. You really make, like, fun. So everyone at the wedding had to explain why they were able to do it or not. oh my god that's amazing that is so funny you're i want to know more about that offline i guess we'll get may the best man win flitch you got a roll but one more question one more question while your sister's here like do you have more money than she does all of her well Casey is currently an investor in throne uh has saved me from the brink of bankruptcy a couple times so uh now he does we're in this together uh no i don't i i am i will say i actually invested very little throwing
Starting point is 01:05:34 is doing very well. Oh, good. It's paper of value. Your last business, you know. It's still going. Still going. Thanks for that investment as well. No, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 01:05:44 I'm kidding. I'm kidding you. No, they can't all be winners. But no, I think I'm built. But you plan on being big time hundreds of millions. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fame grab.
Starting point is 01:05:58 As we've established, it's not the primary motivator. But if I'm famous, I'll also be wealthy, with this one hopefully but that that is not the primary goal I'm trying to help people okay and then I know you got to leave it one more thing I have to say this fletcher you're fucking funny generally like the timing the wit I honestly think he's I don't know about the five minutes you know yeah but he's but he's but he's fletcher's funny he's funny thanks Oliver appreciate pleasure thank you for joining Casey will you stay with us so we can talk about okay thanks Kate thanks so much thanks so much My pleasure. Really fun. Thank you. Congrats on your business, honestly.
Starting point is 01:06:41 I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.
Starting point is 01:07:17 There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos. as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomfit podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be, better or work twice as hard as she did, join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happened in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out
Starting point is 01:08:21 so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever You get your podcast. I had this, like, overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call, said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation, and I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there.
Starting point is 01:08:54 The Good Stuff Podcast, Season 2, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join. host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in.
Starting point is 01:09:43 That means more juicy cheesement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here!
Starting point is 01:09:59 Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The diva of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us.
Starting point is 01:10:15 That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreak, men, and of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael a podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hola, it's HoneyGerman, and my podcast,
Starting point is 01:10:40 Grasias Come Again, is back. This season, we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities. You didn't have to audition? No, I didn't audition. I haven't audition in, like, over 25 years.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Oh, wow. That's a real G-talk right there. Oh, yeah. We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators and culture shifters sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a start. We talk all about what's viral and trending
Starting point is 01:11:14 with a little bit of chisement, a lot of laughs, and those amazing vivas you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity, struggles, and all the issues affecting our Latin community. You feel like you get a little whitewash because you have to do the code switching? I won't say whitewash,
Starting point is 01:11:30 because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me. Yeah. But the whole pretending and, you know, it takes a toll on you. Listen to the new season of Grasas Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Real quick, we're going to let you go. I want to talk about a few things. Number one is Happy Endings.
Starting point is 01:11:56 I thought that was such a great show, by the way. Process of that. And then you met your man on that show. right he created that show yeah he created so you were sleeping you were sleeping with him that's right first season i tried first season desperately but he was like with dating every hostess in west hollywood so i had to wait until the second season so life knocked him down a little you know then i sort of got in there through humor is that sort of true like you were feeling it's a hundred million percent true we would go to dinner in west hollywood and someone would take us to the table like
Starting point is 01:12:31 here you go like put down the menus like mad i was like did you sleep with her he's like i did she's so nice and i don't know what happened and he had his his time but now is a wonderful husband yeah oh great and then that show um did you audition for that show yeah i audition for it and just randomly it was like got on it and a couple months after s and now and then it's like a weird show it's like not a lot of people have seen it but people who have really are obsessed with it and it's so nice well it's really good it's good it's just good you know um it's hard these days finding a good half hour network comedy i'll say you know i did my first half hour comedy comes out in february but it's on oh yeah you did with um is it mindy kaling wrote it yeah so did you like it i loved i had the best time
Starting point is 01:13:24 i can't wait to promote it because i just love everybody so much And Max is in it too, right? Max is in it. He's the best. He's the best. And he plays my fiancé. Nice. And honestly, it was just one of those days.
Starting point is 01:13:41 I laughed every day. Like, it was just the best. Oh, it's so nice. So I really hope we get to do another season or two. I hope it's because I haven't had that much fun. Especially when you're older, it's like, I pray to have fun. Like, life is short. Let's just have a laugh, please.
Starting point is 01:13:59 Yeah. Oh, and just working with great comedians and laughing all day is just there's just nothing like it. It's just like healing, you know. Just so you know, the great British bake-off is like my favorite show of all time. It's both of our favorite. I just finished season 11. I've watched every single season with my daughter, Rio.
Starting point is 01:14:19 Rio and I are like obsessed with the show. When I say obsessed, I mean like for real. Like I've seen every single episode and I just finished this. season. So this is exciting shit. I'm so exciting. Yeah. No, and for me, this is the third season of the American one, but it's the same artist judges and it's in the tent and it was so much fun. And it's not, this one's on Roku, but I love, I had not, I've seen the show a little bit, but now I'm just, just like you, I'm obsessed with it. It's so, is what you, did you do this in the summer?
Starting point is 01:14:50 Yeah, I did it over summer. Yeah. Okay, yeah. They ask me, they keep asking me to do it. And I, I, it is so fun. I will say. It's so quick, and you come in and out, and it is so much fun. I love it. Is it all celebrity driven? We did three celebrity ones, one Christmas one, and then we did a real season, a full season with American bakers, like the, you know, normal show. It was it formatted exactly the same way?
Starting point is 01:15:14 Exactly the same. Paul and Peru. Oh, shit. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen the American one. It's on Roku, so we're in our third season is about to come out. But it's so, and Zach Cherry is my co-host. He's on Severance, that show, and he's so funny.
Starting point is 01:15:26 It's great. Casey, do you bake? No, I don't. You cook a lot, right? Yeah. You should do. You would also win, by the way. You would get a handshake.
Starting point is 01:15:37 He was having to, like, give handshakes to, like, comedians and in his brain, he's like, oh, my God. I mean, he didn't have to give anything, but he did give one out because someone blew us away. But the comedians, I wouldn't say, are coming in with the most. Do you eat the bakes? I do every time. So the other host, you know how they don't eat ever? I just came in and I said, I don't want to change the format, but why can't I have something. You know, so I bring a fork around with me. I try them all. I do. I'm like,
Starting point is 01:16:01 this is it a little right? Yeah. And it's the American one out, right? The American one's already been out or is that coming out? Yeah. The American season two is out. Our third one's about to come up, but right now the Christmas special is out and it's a holiday like celebrity special. Fun. It's really fun. I'm going to, I'm going to watch it. And then bitch ses, 10 years. 10 years. Of a podcast. It's a podcast. It's about the housewives. And you know, I know people love them They don't, you know, but I stand in my truth. And we have comedians and we just talk about these glorious monsters. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:16:34 How fun. I was on Andy late, you know. Yeah, watch it happen by. Late night. Yeah, I watch it, watch that. And I said, where do I start? He's like, episode one. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:48 People don't want to hear it because they're like, but there's 29. It's like right. I was like, maybe I need to just start. I've never, I've literally. maybe seen a half of an episode I'm like you I've never seen one of them really start with Beverly I think you would get a kick out Beverly Hills
Starting point is 01:17:01 it's wild yeah I feel like we need to be in on this it's wild it's like too long I guess I'll start I love reality TV did your wife watch at all no okay she does not like reality TV she does not like reality television I'm always watching like below deck she's like what the fuck oh my god Oliver if you're going on the
Starting point is 01:17:22 high seas with those you will love housewives Oh, yeah, I love Below Deck. Oh, wow. Do you watch Summer House, either of you? I've seen it. I've seen it. I think House Size is just so fun. It's wonderful women.
Starting point is 01:17:35 These are the great parts for women. I've never watched Vanderpump. It's not what I like, but I'm a Housewives. My thing is, I've got a thousand million things that I have to do. And then when I go to watch something, I'm so tired. So you don't want to see women screaming each other, and that's not what you want. it's like do I read my book or do I watch if I get into the house eyes I think I'll never read
Starting point is 01:18:02 or watch a woman defender husband who's pretending to have cancer okay right right exactly the problem is I go to watch something really good in my mind I'm like I'm going to watch something that is like a classic and is actually going to fulfill me with some sort of creative and then the platform always has like oh I guess I'll watch Richard Ramirez tapes or you know or some weird fucking show I guess I'll watch Watch some cult documentary that just talked about that sounds fun that sounds awesome Jones Town is just come on it's brand new. I can't wait to see it. I watched the first one. It's dark. Is it good? Is it good? Johnstown gives me the like, oh, creepy. Yeah, it's wild. All the yoga ones though, I'm like when I start listening and you're watching it going, I know this is sick and then I'm like, I don't like what that leader has to say. Probably I'm always like, I'm about to join it. I'm watching after I know it's a cult. I'm like, what's her number?
Starting point is 01:18:53 Did you see what was it called Mother God or? Of course. Dude. With the Christmas lights and the fucking. The opening of that dock where they come in on her blue face with the, oh, dude. It's fucking gnarly. Oh, Kay, please watch it. Dude, she is obsessed with silver.
Starting point is 01:19:11 I'm going to have my kids call me Mother God. Silver and silver. She drinks that colonial silver. She turns blue. She turns blue. I mean, it's gnarly. I drink colloidials. Yeah, look at your sweater.
Starting point is 01:19:27 That's not a sweater. That's your body. Oh, my God. Casey, it was so good to see you. I'm so glad to see you. Thank you guys so much for having me. I'm for having my brother. Truly, Alderick said he was so touched to be included.
Starting point is 01:19:41 So thank you. I love him. He's great. Bye, guys. Thank you for having me. Bye, thank you. Bye to meet you all over. Nice to meet you, too.
Starting point is 01:19:49 I think I impressed them. that was the best I love I love Casey I love June they're so great it's kind of cool she makes she makes me laugh too yeah she's so funny
Starting point is 01:20:09 really really funny she's also so sweet yeah but her two years on S&L although short was memorable like she stands out to me which is I don't know why they let her go but it's all for the best and he's great he's funny You can tell.
Starting point is 01:20:23 He's witty, he's funny, he's sharp. I know. Then he does toilets and she does comedy. It's so great. Solar-powered toilets is... Yeah. You can't write it. You can't write it.
Starting point is 01:20:36 No, you can't. You can't write it. Yeah, it's the best. I like steal their whole life and turn it into a show. With these, like, you know, opposing political parents, toilets and comedy. I mean, you can't really get better of them. I love you. Love you, too.
Starting point is 01:20:53 The Super Secret Festi Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling.
Starting point is 01:21:23 Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. Get in here! Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez, and in the new season of the Over Comfort Podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life?
Starting point is 01:21:48 Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself? my time. Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcomber podcast on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever
Starting point is 01:22:05 you get your podcast. Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Jude Ice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Roll Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text one way or the other from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent.
Starting point is 01:22:33 This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to casual chaos on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. We're siblings. Like, you fight, you disagree. It's really hard to be in a partnership. You judge. Yeah, you judge each other. You lead differently. we've gotten to that edge. Hey, I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright Side, and this week I'm joined by Hollywood Power Sisters, Aaron and Sarah Foster. They're getting real about boundaries, rejection, plus what's next for their hit Netflix series, Nobody Wants This.
Starting point is 01:23:06 Listen to The Bright Side on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. The Internet is something we make, not just something that happens to us. I'm Bridget Todd, host of the Tech and Culture Podcast, there are no girls on the Internet. In our new season, I'm talking to people like Aneal Deb. an OG entrepreneur and writer who refuses to be cynical about the internet. I love tech.
Starting point is 01:23:27 You know, I've been a nerd my whole life, but it does have to be for something. Like, it's not just for its own sake. It's an inspiring story that focuses on people as the core building blocks of the internet. Listen to there are no girls on the internet on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast.

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