Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Billy, Tommy, and Brooks Crudup

Episode Date: November 27, 2020

Billy, Tommy, and Brooks Crudup chat with Kate and Oliver on this week's very funny episode of "Sibling Revelry." They talk about everything from their parents' divorce to sharing an apartment in New York to "Almost Famous" and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Butcher Box, Helix, and Coors Light.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry.

That's good. Oliver, this was so much fun. We're just talking about it right now about how great it was to connect with the crudeups and how much we love them, you know. The crude ups. Yeah, I met Billy obviously through you and we hit it off tremendously

a little bit later after Almost Famous and we became golf buddies and then we drifted apart and it's been a long time and it was so fun to see him again and his energy and he's so fucking funny. He's so funny. I think it's something people don't really know about Billy

because he's such a serious actor and he is seen that way and portrayed that way and you know he takes it very seriously but on a personal level he is one of the funniest and you know what that's one question that we didn't ask them which I wanted to ask

which is where do you think you get your sense of humor from because they're all funny and their sense of humor is all the same very similar really dry and witty and you realize that it has to come from your parents whatever that family kind of way is

is taken from your because we're all crazy goofy exactly you know our sense of humor is a little nutty and out Yeah, out there. We're all very similar in our sense of humor. I mean, we get each other. And you can see that within three of them, too, how tight they are.

And I love what they said. I don't, this is not verbatim, but it was that they don't need to be with each other to sort of love each other all the time. And that's when you know it's solid where it's like, we don't have to be in each other's spaces or talk on the phone all the time. Like you just feel their closeness. Yeah. And this was great.

We reminisced a lot. We even talked about a bit about Almost Famous, which is really fun for me. And Billy is one of those people that I've, you know, you work with certain people and you lose touch. Billy, I've always kept in touch with. Like, we've always had for now 20 years a connection that maintained. So it was really, really great to have them all on.

Yeah, it was awesome. And I love you. I love you too. Enjoy this episode with Tommy, Brooks, and Billy. Philly Crudey. Philly's never included the family and media. So this stuff first.

Where are you guys? Well, I'm in West Hollywood. Okay. And then your brothers are both in New York. And Brooklyn. I'm on that pro-west side. Wow. They were kind of

quiet there like they were in undisclosed locations. Yeah, I was like, what's going? I wouldn't ask follow-up questions. There are a few things I can't talk about today. I'm going to skip. Clearly, Billy, you and I go way back. I believe I was 19 when we first met, which is totally insane. How old were you during Almost Famous?

30. Oh. I think I just... Oh, my God. Oh, thank God. We got an interlude there. Thank you sound good. Thanks.

You sound real good. Tommy, Tommy, I've also known for a million years because you work at Rachel Ray as the talent producer, the talent producer. Yes, I am the co-executive producer of the Rachel Ray Show. Oh, you're co-executive producer. Who's gone up there. How many titles have?

I travel ever with Emmy. Oh, boy. Hey, Billy, Billy. Did you show your Emmy? Do you, you know, they haven't sent it. I did get a mini bottle of champagne. It takes like six months, Bill.

Okay. But Brooks, we were just sitting here saying it and I was literally like, I feel like we met we met a million years ago, but we haven't really had the same kind of history. So this is going to be exciting. I'm going to get to know Brother Brooks. I'm waiting for my Emmy.

It's been held up a few years. It's been a few years. years since they said. Yeah, I don't know. I keep calling. No, it's because of the postal shut down. Oh, that's it. Didn't they let you know on email?

And you just had to send some money to a Nigerian print. I keep calling. I keep calling and dial tone. I'll find that. I'll try to have the wrong number. Let's see if we can get you the number. Tom has got. Yes.

I also want to say that Billy and I do not condone this mustache. This is not a family tradition. Well, once I don't know. Billy's had a mustache. Billy does go mustache a lot. That took him six months to grow that mustache for going on with the home. Brooks has got the Shakespeare chin boogie going on. With the homeschooling and Brooklyn, I've lost it.

So if I fade off into the, this is the railing, you know. Oh, I know where you're coming from, man. But I've got to say, Brooks kind of does have a Shakespeare vibe overall. He kind of looks a little like Shakespeare here. And he's the writer. Yeah. By the way, that's a great Halloween costume for you. Have you?

As the writer who does CIA surveillance. As a musketeer, a musketeer? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do Shakespeare. I'll put Shakespeare. One of my sons, Griffin, said, I look like George Washington. And I said, get out of the room.

I don't look like George Washington. I was, I don't know what you're talking about. Wait, that, tell them. Your kid's ages, so they know how... Seven. Yeah, that was Griffin, who's seven. He goes, you look just like George Washington. I was like, you're going to look like a smash bagel. You don't get out of the room.

Do not call me George Washington. I pulled up a side by side. He goes, no, you look like him. I was like, get out of here. 2020, it's been a hard year. I'm going to recover strong. It's been rough. When the quarantine started, we used to have a weekly poker game up at Tommy's apartment,

and so it quickly moved. to Zoom, and we realized, wait, it's super easy now since everybody is quarantining to play, and it turned into twice a week, Zoom, where I think we became Tommy's intimate partners. It's been a mainstay through the whole thing, and it's actually been terrific. Hey, hit me up, hit me up. It's not really poker, Ali. It's more of a group therapy meeting. Okay.

There's a lot of yelling, and there's an app that occasionally says somebody won a hand, at which point the yelling resumes. Well, I want to be a part of that. Wait, you guys, is it just the three of you? Are there any other siblings? Not that we're aware of it. We have two stepsisters. They're not married anymore, but we're still, there are sisters.

Okay, so let's rewind. Where did you, where did you guys grow up? Who wants to tackle this? Tommy, you start with where you were born. I was born in Chapel Hill while my father was a senior at UNC, and then six months later we moved to... That's North Carolina. North Carolina, sorry, UNC.

We then moved to New York, where my father sold yarn, and then Billy and Brooks came along in Manhattan five years, and I'm sorry, a year and a half and four years later. Yeah, I don't like our introduction immediately. you guys came along and we just like came along and then we were like hanging out with you there's some new guys in the house

I got to deal with what were you doing for five years By the way mom had nothing to do with it she's not even a part of that origin story I don't remember that I don't remember that part I was I came along

when we were at Long Island and so so your dad your dad and your mom Did they meet in college? Yes. And they were young. Yeah, they were at different colleges.

And I think my mom had come to Chapel Hill for a party or something. And they met at that party and hit it off. But they were like 20 then. Yeah, they were I think they were 21 or 22 when they got married. Is that right, T.C.? I think I think mom was a little younger. Okay, I feel like she was 24 when I was born. Yeah, that would be right, because I'm 52 now.

We shouldn't do math on this podcast. Let me carry the two. Just you guys, you guys, hold on in a second. We'll get back. By the time I was seven, our parents were separated, and we moved to Coral Gables, Florida. And then when I was 10, they were remarried to each other. Okay, I remember that.

by our step-grandfather, who was an Episcopal Bishop in South Florida. Right. Wow. And we moved to Dallas. Then they were divorced a year and a half later. No. Because he stopped selling yarn at that point. And he was selling other stuff.

Coffee. He was doing other things. Yeah, coffee and other things that fell off the truck. Yes. And then at 15, my mother met a attorney from Fort Lauderdale. They were buried. We moved to Fort Lauderdale. They were divorced five years later.

We moved my mother back to Dallas. And then I was in Dallas with my mother running a yogurt shop. I can't believe it's yogurt. I can't believe it's not yogurt. Oh, my God, I can't believe it's not yogurt. I was managing high school girls who didn't want to come to work, so I was there all of the time. Having mothers scream at me, they've lost no weight

on the sugar-free yogurt. And Billy called me. They didn't. There was a whole Seinfeld episode about it. It was a rude. That's all true. Billy graduated from Carolina, called me and said,

if I get into Tish, I'm moving to New York, or I'm going to L.A., would you like to go to either one? And this is why I'm filling out a quart of yogurt. I said, yes, no one is fine. Thank you.

It's not exactly the way that I remember. Doesn't get synopsis. I remember getting into acting school and calling you to tell you about it, and you said, can I please come with you? I don't remember that at all That's how I remember it

And by the way, on Billy's IMDB page It says that I was already in New York And Billy came to join me Well, we patently know that's not true Because we packed the U-Haul together And drove from Dallas In my Zuzu trooper All the way up and found our

apartment on Upper East Side It wasn't really upper, 65th in York It's kind of up And then a year and a half into our new digs in New York, my mother called me at work and said, I need to talk to you about something. I said,

oh, what's that? I just want to get your opinion. I'm thinking about moving to the city. Oh, man. And after I picked up the phone and go, oh my God, I think that's great, thinking I have six months. She's like, I'm so relieved. I sold the house yesterday. I'll be there tomorrow. And so Billy and I, Bill and I, we both told Georgian that she could not live within 30 blocks of us. So her apartment was at 96th and York?

No, she was an 88th. Yeah, I think it was a 20 block radius. And I think that was your mandate. And I think also, Tommy, I might add, mom will probably be listening to this. So you might want to temper your tone a little bit. It was 96th Street. No, it was 88.

It was 88th, Tom. And then Brooks graduated. It's two heads one on this one, Tommy. I think you might need to just like let that. By the way, you want to talk about problems with math. I'm going to stick to my gun. He might not know how many Emmys he just held up. That was one.

All right. So you guys, you're like basically like an army brat, but your dad's selling stuff. I can't wink. I don't know how to do that. We're divorced brats. Divorce brats. Yeah.

So how fucked up are you guys? I mean, like on the same. Scale of one to ten, who's the most fucked up and is the least. Oh, boy. I'm going to put myself at an easy nine. Yeah. You know. Does it go to 11?

With homeschooling, Brooks has gone one more. Yeah, the knobs fell off. So wait, let's talk dad, mom, young, you know, fall in love, have Tommy. Tommy, what's your age difference? A year and a half. Year and a half and five with Brooks. Oh, so, Billy, you're the middle child. I'm the middle child.

That makes so much sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it does, actually. Why, are you a middle child or you are? Yeah. Okay, so. Oh, my closet, time to dance.

Okay. Are you the youngest, Oliver? I'm the oldest. You're the oldest. Yeah. He's the one that. He's the one that, you know, is like, mom, mom, like. The best.

Yeah, the best. He just waited for me. He's the one that's the best. Yeah. I like your attitude. He's definitely a firstborn. He's like stereotypical firstborn stuff for sure. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, like mom didn't know what to do because he wouldn't eat, you know? So she, like, she, like, poked a hole in the, in the bottle so big that it just, like, poured down his throat. Right? I was too lazy. I was like, you still break in shotgun beers? Yeah, exactly.

Oh my God. Okay, so what were your parents like? They were fun. They were kind of, you know, I mean, they had tremendous affection for one another. It was just, you know, I think more this stability that dad could manage, which led to challenges and I think her being able to depend on him. But they were super fun and, you know, really sweet. At a certain point, obviously, mom went to 11 too, like Brooks,

because she was stuck with the three of us. And to the point of this podcast, that is definitely where the Battle Royale began, as far as I can ascertain. With the boys. With three of us, exactly. Okay, to Billy's point, they were both so much fun that this we lived on part of Washington was called Park Avenue. And we're still friends with some of the neighbors

that street. And there would be block parties. Yeah, the Joneses. The Joneses still live in their same house. Yeah. And we still And the arms. Yeah, the arms. And so these were lifelong friends that we made way back in the 70s in New York. Wow. And all remained. What was their vibe? Were they artsy? Very social.

Social. Very social. There was one of the people on the street had his guitar and he'd come out. We'd all be outside. He'd play John Denver and it was just a it was a wonderful time i don't remember okay then you're so then so then you they get divorced when you're seven Tommy right yeah for the first thing and then does dad split and it's just mom and the three and the three you is he around we moved down to Miami um because that's where my mom was from and she both of our parents were only children and my dad's parents were in both Carolina and my mom's parents were my mom's mom's mom's mom was in Miami.

Her dad had died before I was born. Oh, okay. And, but was she alone with you guys now? Yes, correct. Right. It was the form of us in Miami. Okay, so you guys just, like, run amok. And there was, I mean, bless your mom's heart.

Oh, yeah, a lot going on. Tommy, that must have actually been hardest on you. Well, I was told that I was in charge at seven. So I still remember locking the front door. in Coral Gables and I was then I was kind of I'd look over these guys

and my mom so but I didn't find it difficult I found it kind of natural yeah I mean and now that's what you do in life you just take care of people he's always been like

dutiful you know like the he was captain of the safety patrol in that's right fifth grade and I was in fourth grade and this motherfucker gave me a citation

okay that's what he was like mom wait so we so Brooks you were a baby when this all happened yeah I mean

in Curl Gables but I still remember basically and Tom I don't think you took dutiful rolls until Dallas

because all I remember is all of us running up and down the street in Miami that's true with the pains

right so like mom let us out and then we would come like at dusk. Correct. There was much of that.

But I remember Brooks, I mean, you were super and a Spider-Man back then, so you were up early to watch... No, Batman. Yeah, yeah. But I was young, to your point, yes. You were young, and I can remember, it must have been third grade

or something like that, second or third grade. My mom had a stepbrother, John, and Uncle John rode motorcycles and stuff. and he was like the cool dude. And he blew into town one time to stay with us. And that day, Tommy and I had been out in the driveway fighting. And I said something like, fuck you. And Tommy, like, was mortified.

I mean, he thought he had, well, he thought he had done a very poor job of raising me. I couldn't at that point. But at dinner that night. He raised the point. He said, okay, you know what? This is what Billy did today. And that's when I learned how to act. You can't just stop there.

What happened? I was more successful. My mom believed me because I could manufacture the tears that I did not say fuck. It was pretty amazing. And Tommy's student is. Jeans and Uncle John thought it was hilarious. What did you say? I said fudge?

I said, no, I said, I would never have prank my stomach. And it was that you were actually trying to manipulate your mother. Like it wasn't even just coming from a place of fear. It was you were literally chilling to be a liar. It was more, it was more punitively trying to get back at Tommy. It was about. He was wanting to...

Exactly. Yeah. And he and I maintained that level of volatility. Until we moved to New York. Yeah. It sounds like you had that volatility at your poker game the other night. Now, that's just regular shit talking. It is a future now.

But there's no more like hitting each other with sticks so much, you know. So wait. So where does dad come in now? Is he back and forth? Do you ever have consistent times with dad? The three years, no. Well, Brooks, what's your memory will come back?

Because you were the youngest. When we all moved back to, when we moved to Dallas from Kroll Gables. We talked about Miami, Brooks. Yeah, when we were in Miami, when Dad came back, when they decided to get married again.

I was the, I was the Paul Bearer. I was the Ring Bear. I mean, not Paul Barrier. He was asking how many time? Freudian slip. I was the Ringbear. So, Paul Bear. Bear.

Well, that marriage died, too. Brooks, she's asking how many times dad came down to Miami in the three years before they got remarried. Are you producing this segment? I'm just listening to the question. Wow. I honestly don't remember him coming down once. Because it wasn't.

What he did was he made his way south. He kept coming south and south, and he like picked up a job in Larded or something like that. And then eventually he made it back down. He wooed her again and they got remarried. And I was 10 at the time and I asked them both, I go, are you both serious about this?

Knowing that they were not. They really wanted to get remarried for us so we could all be back together. Right. And they both said yes. And then, of course, a year and a half later, they weren't, that wasn't truthful. So wait, what did your dad do?

Was he this shady? No, no, he was he used to. He is an odd guy. Because he was acting, he went to acting classes in the city when we were in Port Washington. And evidently, he may or may not have bartended with Brian Denahey. And he may or may not have been up for the streets of the streets of San Francisco against Michael Douglas. That may or may not have happened. Right.

So, per billion big fish, some things may or may not have happened. Yeah. He may or may, well, he did take my mom to a mafia wedding. Okay. Yeah, that's right. For some reason, I thought it was a funeral. I thought his funeral, too, but he was an amazing storyteller. He was a great story.

He was a wedding. Was he very handsome? Yes. Yeah. I mean, clearly. But he could talk to your ear off at any moment. during the um during the uh without limits premiere in toronto he had tom cruise cornered and he couldn't get away it went like this that that dad was not

not terribly interested in um my pursuit of acting until i started to make money and when without limits came out um he immediately he was aware that there was going to be be a premiere somewhere. And he was living in Austin at the time, I believe. Was it Austin or St. Antonio? I know he was Austin. And Brooks had left Austin to come to New York. And then after that. And so he said, so I understand you could be having a premiere for the Without Limits. Now, where is that going to be in New York or Los Angeles? And I'm thinking, I do not want him showing up at the premiere and cornering Tom Cruise precisely to Tommy's point. So I was like, well, that actually is, it's premiering in Toronto at a film festival they have

there. And we're just going to, you know, go up there and it's going to be like super easy, breezy and not a big deal or whatever. And he literally goes, huh, well, I'm actually, I might have some business in Toronto. And so motherfucker, he shows up in Toronto. No. No. He was super proud because also he was, he was like an athlete when he was growing up and

there was a story about an athlete. So he could identify more with me as an actor playing an athlete. And then, so he was very proud of me and he was, he was a really warm guy, like really, I found him like loving, funny, not. Great dresser. Yeah, like, he was, he was a charming, he was a charming guy. Okay. But now, Mom, what did Mom do?

Various things. She worked for an advertising agency when we were in Dallas. And she was political consultant. That did political consulting. And she was the president of the PTA for a year. She was involved in the community. But mostly trying to wrangle us, I think, was the major job. Was these divorce as big moments in your life?

or was like privately maybe or or as a group was this was there sadness and pain and all this or was it just sort of like a hey this is life i was never that sad i i what i mean i was i i'd like going to a different town you get to meet new people oh that's uh that's very true on my part thank you brooks i've told people that and we also were very close with both our mom and dad So when they got divorced in Dallas the second time, we would spend every other weekend at dads and then with mom. So we were all in the same universe all the time in my world. Right.

I didn't have that response to it. I remember when they told us the second time that they were getting divorced, that I thought it was because Tommy and I were fighting so much. And so I was sad and felt responsible. Oh, wow. I didn't know that, Bill. Yeah. well I was crying at the table saying we can do better you remember that part or you know I do remember that but I remember granddaddy flew in and it was nighttime and I went downstairs

and I saw the papers and I looked at my mom and I was just like really I mean I know I kind of remember this yeah I don't remember that and then they told us the next morning or whenever they told us because granddaddy was there but to talk to his point like you know it was the 70s and there were other families that were going through divorces my best friend. His parents were going through a divorce. We were all trying to kind of manage it together as a community. Most all of the parents maintained amicable relationships. They tried to figure out the co-parenting. And we certainly looked forward to the dad weekends because, you know, we would cook out or go get pizza or, you know, he did everything that you would anticipate

a divorced father doing, living in a singles apartment complex, you know, like he would wake up on the Saturday morning and go get us the best donuts in Dallas. And why wouldn't that be a great start through the weekend? So yeah, there were a lot of fun times, but it was super hard on mom because she had the lion's share, not just of the time, but of the work that goes into managing education, health care, all the decisions. And I'm sure that they talked about it some. But again, dad was pretty unreliable when it came to, you know, making appointments

and fulfilling them as far as I can remember. And Brooks, like, I would think that you wouldn't remember life with your parents kind of together. You know what I mean? I mean, yeah, except for when they got remarried. But it seems to me like he was always not there. but I have like memories

like you I mean this is quasi funny memory but he took me out of school to sell these I guess I was in first grade maybe Brockabrellers at the at some trademark

in you know in Dallas Yeah so at a sandwich board and wearing them and like walking back and forth and selling them and then and he bribed me by getting a pitcher with Spider-Man because I love Spider-Man. But, like, he pulled me out of school to sell, like, umbrellas. So, but I loved it.

I loved him for it. But also, he did drop me off and then leave. So to your point, it's like, I knew back then, and I remember that conversation of, like, of like, you pulled him out of school? Like, what, what? You know, and you're at the, you're at the trademark. And I remember I had like a hard salami. that we were cutting up.

And I was like, oh, Islam is really good. And they're like fighting about selling, you know, Brockabellas that you wear in your head. I have a picture of me wearing this. Wait, but I love that this is like, I mean, this is like a memory. It's, but yeah, it's a memory. It's a single one, but it really does, to me,

speak to the collective experiences that we all had. I mean, that to me, it was charmed. But it takes kind of being an adult to realize how bonkers it was. Totally. You're like, God. Like, Brooks, is that a choice that you would make with Griffin at some point? I mean, this is a completely different universe. Also, to the point of like 70s and 80s, we were watching E.T.

And I was showing Griffin for the first time. And, you know, Dee Wall, she's the whole thing, the whole story is about basically divorce. And like the dad. in Mexico with and this is happening I'm like I'm like oh this is like a little heavy I mean you know but but but that was the I guess that was the zeitgeist back then to where it was just like oh that's that's it's just what was happening and I don't know if you guys had the same memory that because we all have these examples but I also at some point just found it colorful and you know he would say

something like you know this is the big one Tom and then for a birthday we'd get something out of the newspaper that showed a new suit and he goes, you're getting this new suit eventually. And I'm like, no, I'm not, but thanks for the thought. I love the thought, thank you, dad.

And so we all have those examples through the years. Did you ever get the suit if it... No, no, no, no, no, no. The suit was never coming. For graduation from high school, I got a cut out from a magazine of a cruise. How was... Was it laminated?

but I think that our expectation our expectation was that we always wanted him to be successful for himself we did yes and if we got anything out of it great but we really just wanted him to win and do well and the stuff that came with it

I just I mean I loved him so much and at least you got a cut out yes absolutely and that's the thing he had the desire you know like he had his he thought it was just to be the ability to follow through was so stifled.

And I think it had to do so much with his relationship with his father and the kind of pressure that my grandfather put on him to be successful that the only way he was ever going to reach it was by hitting something big. He wanted his pet rock. It kind of sounds like Oliver a little bit. Yeah, I was just about to say. It's like Oliver's just looking for hitting that big, you know, thing. Oh, yeah.

I think this might be it, Ollie. I'm a gambler. I'm a gambler. I put it on black. Let's see what happened. Yeah. You and my dad would have gotten along so well. Is there a part of your dad in each of you?

Did you see one who's more dad than not, you know? I was in a parking lot at 7-Eleven with my dad, and he turned to me, and this was my sex ed talk. He goes, son, the good Lord, made nothing better than a woman. I'm like okay I'm gonna go get his slurpy now thank you that's great I mean when you reflect on it Tom

maybe not all of his advice was fun I've been written a book about the device but there was a lot there that should be like quoted on your wall that is the greatest I learned so much at 7-Eleven that day well I do I do think that there is there are parts of him

and all of us I mean obviously we're all in entertainment in some aspect and even my dad he

he loved it I mean he loved film he loved television and my mom he loved books my mom loved art and photography and film and so if it weren't for both of them I don't think that we would have

all three of us ended up in some I mean Kate years ago Billy and Brooks and I forget what age but I was I've been the size that I am since I was like 14 I grew very fast and then stunted and Billy and Brooks grew when they were senior junior year

and I would just lay on top of them and just you know be like you guys suck I'm in charge and then they would start singing their Broadway songs and Billy would go Brooks imagine that me on Broadway and he would go on for two hours.

Just too annoyed, Tommy. It was the only way to get really under his skin. And he would drive me insane. And in the background, there'd be a Barbara Streisand album playing. And so there was always music in the house. There was always, my mom, to her credit, would bring us back to New York to look at theater once a year or twice a year. Yeah, that was three years.

And so we were always inundated with art. And it was so amazing and so exciting. And having music on all the time in the house, it was so warm. And I think that's why we all love it. Yeah, I feel the same. I feel like so much of what I actually do or that makes up some of the principles or the career that I've followed has been from mom and just the like the regularity of

how she raised us and trying to be socially aware, being interested in art, being interested in your community. And dad, you know, he brought in the Cajun spice. And, you know, yes, you should do it, but you should do it with style, you know. You should definitely help your community, but make sure you're German on the way out. You know, like there, I mean, he had, or, you know, go to church, but see if you can work an angle and maybe get something out of the tithe. You know, like he was always looking for a bit of a hustler.

There's no question to me that, like, that's what he was. And mom's stability was the thing that I thought that I always reflect upon in terms of like principles of why I think about performing as something important. You know, like why I think it's a feature of our communal storytelling is a great way for us to all bond, learn things about ourselves and others. And I feel like that comes totally from her. One of my favorite pictures of Billy and Mom are at the Tonys. And Mom is looking up at Billy and you can just tell how proud she is and how thrilled she was to be there with him. Yeah, I was a little too proud.

Well, I mean, he's a bit over the top. He was very excited, but I'm just saying it. That's, you know, she's great at that. He's proud. They were also both very caring people. They're both very caring people about society and other people. And they taught us that as well. I, um, Billy and I have, for those who don't know, we, we have sons that were born exactly on the same day.

And January 7th, 2004, they're going to be 17. And it's, it's interesting to talk about how you were raised because the one thing I do know about you, Billy, and I'm going to assume that Brooks, you're similar, is that you are a stellar parent. Like, you know, of all. All of your life's journeys and the things that you've done, that is clearly, as someone who knows you, your priority, always. You know, I feel if you can do good enough as a parent, you're doing a stellar job, and I certainly try to do good enough. But to that point, it is on my mind all the time, obviously. And some of that must be because of how we were raised, you know. So dad's sort of coming in and out and instability made me want to react to that, you know,

and try to be as stable as possible for my son. And so I was going to draw the parallel with Oliver who, you know. Well, I can relate to that, yeah, entirely. I mean, you could go, you could go one way or the other. Sometimes to the point where you're like, relax, like, yeah, exactly. Go, it's okay. You know, you don't have to be super dad all the time. Yeah, I've gotten better, but you get hyper on it.

I mean, I went the other way to the extreme of I need to be there all the time. You know, I'm going to break this cycle, you know, because my dad's dad bailed on him, dad bailed on us. And then I'm like, okay, I'm not going to do that. But there was a moment, especially when Wilder, my oldest was in first grade and I was working in Nashville where I was just, I felt like I was not there. You know, well, I actually wasn't, but I felt like I was damaging him in some way.

And it fucked me up. And it just became this vicious cycle. And I had to sort of break out of it because I was just so nervous that I was going to, you know, make him meet me. Brooks is in the midst of it right now. You know, having kids that are a little bit older, you can start to reflect on it.

But I certainly feel like our generation, rightfully, is being called to ask to do something, particularly fathers in parenting, that wasn't modeled for us. Like the majority of us didn't have fathers that we have an expectation to be, which leads to some confusion and distress. And to your point, Ali, like, you're obviously going to be, rejecting and passing that on to your kid even if it's practical or philosophical one way or the other. And so if you're not reflecting on what your role as a father is in 2020, you might be missing some of the like crucial underlying contributing factors. Yeah. I think I think it did

swing, I mean, to both of your points, almost way, way too much farther to the polar opposite to it, to where it needs to come back, you know, to where, but obviously, obviously that's a good thing. It's like, you know, that we're there, but also realizing that we can't be there, you can't be helicopter parents. Right.

I don't want to suffer, you know. I mean, I mean, I'm, see it around the community as well. I think it comes from a good place, but also it gets really intense to where it's like, you know, we always talk about it's not a cliche. Like we are riding our dirt bikes

around in alleys, you know, in Dallas to where no one was there, you know, got, you know, thank God we're okay. But you know, we were, we were lachy kids for at least five years. That does not happen anymore

But don't you think It's like what you're saying We're missing some of that You know I think it needs to come back a little bit It does because We lose a little independence You know

The kids lose a little independence They lose that sort of on your own aspect That feeling of let me I have to figure this shit out I got into a situation No one's here to help me And now I have to get out of it You know

That's why we went to Colorado Katie and I went to Colorado and I think it changed our experience entirely. There's a really... There's a really interesting article about what you're saying in the Atlantic about about there's like these sort of experimental parks

where they let kids explore freely but they put objects that are actually kind of, you know, risk-taking objects and giving them opportunities to socially interact. And what they found was they found that kids created the society, it was almost like a mini, a mini society of who becomes the outcast and why. But it's a really interesting article.

Really, you were talking about how we, what? She asked me if I was in Lord of the Flies. One from the 50s? The short answer is yes. And I'll leave you to figure out who I played because I'm a transformational actor, Alie. You know that. But Kate, what you're saying about that part,

which is so cool, is that the three of us, we never had bad friends around us because we would weed them out. If it was one of Billy's friends, one of Brooks's friends, we would just say, you know what, that kid's not cool. Yeah, he's got to go.

We would try to insulate ourselves with good people, and you figure that out pretty young. And it does it. So it builds up your, and I mean, to the point that you're saying, Ollie, it is one of the primary objections that I feel like is happening amongst parents now is that over,

parenting somehow is as selfish as the underparenting seemed selfish was from a different generation, when it is a response that's meant to nurture the children and hopefully breed strong human beings that are self-sustaining and have their own sense of agency. And who the fuck knows? I mean, the question is going, we're only going to know. If our experiment at rest of our parents work once our kids are in their 30s. That's so funny to say that all the time, man. All right.

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game on that you're taking a I can see the reflection. I can see, you know, I'm testing pastels. What game are you watching? Hold on, let me cut it off. It's just golf. I told you.

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Billy goes to Tish. Tommy, you come along. Brooks. So now what about you? So it's just you and mom? No, it's he and dad in Austin. Oh. I was in Austin with my dad from 92 to 98

and worked for two and a half years at a hotel. And then went to the University of Texas in Austin. Were you lonely? Was that your brothers? Well, I would go up and visit.

Yeah, for a long time. Which they loved. Maybe after like a month. Yeah, you come for the entire Christmas break. And we had a really cool apartment. And at the time, both Brooks and I were smoking. And so Tommy got all the secondhand smoke there. So this was a one-bedroom apartment

and then Brooks would sleep on the couch in my room. I slept on the one on the single bed and Billy had a double in the other room. And in the winter, we had no heat, the two of them would be chain smoking. It's disgusting. Okay, that's how I just realized. That's scary.

Billy and I were in this apartment for five years. After he moved out, I'm like, oh my God, what is going on? I smelled like shit. And it was all the smoke. I had to get everything cleaned. And then Brooks moved in six months later. Oh, no.

Yeah. There was at least a few nights when dad was there as well. Yes. And he smoked too. Oh, God. It's like a smoking room in an airport. It's exactly. It is exactly like.

Without the ventilation. Exactly, where it's you're partitioned off except smaller. The whole family smoke, mother smokes. Everyone smoked except for me. I was the only one, but I got a lot of it. And then Brooks moved up to New York after finishing. Well, Brooks, when the boys left, I mean, was that a moment for you? Was it like, oh, shit, I'm alone now?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, yeah, I mean, because I basically kind of had to find, I think I was in Denton, Texas, which is outside Dallas at the time. But basically, I was like, all right, I got to figure out what I want to do. And then called my dad, and he was in Austin. I said, I got to figure out what I'm going to do. He's like, all right, he's like, all right, what do you mean? You want to come here? And I was like, yeah.

He was like, oh, God. And then. But it actually made you guys really close. No, we were really close. But I mean, like, basically the, I went down there and within a week, I had a place to live, a job and a car. And they were all awful. But, yes. But they were things.

But they were things. And then my dad and I grew close. through those years, and then I went to college. But were you always writing? Yeah, I started writing when I was about 19 or 20. And painting. Yeah. But was that something for you that was like,

I want to be a writer, or was it just? I still hate that. I mean, well, I still have a hard time. I think I'm getting easier saying I'm a writer slash artist or whatever. or but back then it was very hard for me to say I'm a writer even though I had written a lot of poetry and song lyrics short stories and then I wrote a script and then I wrote a play and then it kept going and it still's going and you know Billy and I are working on stuff and I'm still working on plays and all that but I think that I still do have um I think a lot comes with saying uh you know the megaphone I'm a wrong You know, it's like, what does that mean? You know, I'm still trying to figure that out. But, but yes, I think that, I mean, we, Tommy and we all acted at certain points.

I mean, Tommy did. I gave it, you know, acting. Well, you're, what? Wait, I didn't know this. Oh, yeah, Tommy's on sex in the city. Yeah. Yeah, sex in the city. I wasn't an actor, but let me give you a quick story that fast.

Oliver, to your point, though, the three of us are all very independent, but also very close. and I can't speak for these two but I'm great on my own or I'm great with everybody I mean I can kind of and so I don't know I think Brooks had his writing and other things going on

so I don't think we miss each other because we all know we're there even though we're not together that's the best that's the best kind of relationship well that's like a good family I hope that's Billion Brooks's experience as well but that's for mine

I mean sometimes you're like that's not how I see it Tommy but okay I dabble a few things is where I wish I was in a different apartment. Okay, Billy, Billy, when did you say I'm going to be an actor? I mean, clearly forever, you wanted to be on Broadway.

As soon as I could use my voice and speech in the way that you just did, I knew acting trade was mine. Is that the Al Janner technique? Brof-po, brother. When I was in college, you know what? I was thinking about Brooks, actually, when you were talking about your time together with dad, too. I did notice this about dad. It hung over his head.

It hung over his head that he had not delivered and that he felt like he had failed us and failed my mom. And, you know, he was an optimist, so he would try not to get dragged down, but you could see it come out. And when Brooks was in Austin, when he and I would talk, he took such great pride in the steadiness

with which he had been a part of Brooks' life, like having lunches and stuff. helping to find, even if it was a crappy car or whatever it was. So I think not only did it do something for you, Brooks, but I think it did something enormous for dad during that period of time. Definitely. Yeah. And when I was in college in North Carolina,

I was a good student when I was in high school and stuff. It was hard for me to make the transition to college life. my GPA, my first semester of freshman year, I'd be surprised if it exceeded a 2.0. There were some classes that I just kind of forgot about. There was a couple of classes that I just decided to let go without telling anybody about it. And it turns out that if you get a zero that brings your GPA down. So in any case, I started to take classes that I thought would engage me in some way. And many of them were in the communications department

because I had taken this one elective my first year that was called the oral interpretation of prose and poetry by Paul Ferguson was the teacher. I love him. Yeah, you loved him, T.C. And you would basically take a poem and find a way to perform it. Well, for whatever reason,

I could spend a couple of hours the night before really working on it, diligently, thinking about it, considering different performance ideas. I didn't work that hard at anything else academically. I mean, I could do the other things fine, but this was something that engaged me, and I ended up doing well, and I noticed that my GPA started to skyrocket.

So I was taking every performance class that I could possibly take without declaring that I was a drama major because I didn't think anybody who was, was helping to pay for my education would go for a degree in drama. So the pops, exactly, because I was having lunch every week with my grandfather at that time who had become a widow recent, do you call it a widower or widower? Yeah, widower. My grandmother died the day I graduated high school.

So as soon as I got to college, my grandfather was desperately lonely. And he said, we're having lunch every day. I mean, every week. And I was like, okay, Pops. And he was kind of a gruff, tough guy. So they weren't the most fun lunches for a while. But we did it every week for four and a half years. So we became very, very close.

Tell him about the money. Do you mean the change at the end of the? Yes. Well, we would go to this place called the Ratskeller. I don't know that it's such a stellar story, T.C. You may have overproduced this one. Um, but the, I can tell it better. I can tell it better if you want me to. But the, um, the, the key for me, the incentive for me was that when he paid, uh, for lunch, I would get the change, which typically would be somewhere between the $14 and $6 range, which I could actually really use each time. And then if I was dating somebody, um, then Pops would say, well, you got to bring her to lunch. And I started to realize that that was cutting into my process. proceeds. So I no longer spoke about whether or not I was dating to him. But it went on for a period

of time. And he slowly would come and see my performances. And at first they were kind of avant-garde performances in the poetry and the speech communications department. And then I started to ask the acting teachers if I could take the acting classes for majors without being a major. And there were a couple of people there, D.D. Krovenis and Susanna Reinhart, who were really supportive. So by the time that I had finished Chapel Hill, I'd taken every performance class that was there. And I didn't know what I was qualified for. And I asked them and they said, you should go to graduate school. And I thought that's what I want to do. I want to be a teacher. I want to go get my master's. And I'll be a teacher. And it wasn't until the first day of graduate school when I was

sitting in the theater with the 60 other students, where I realized that it was. I realized that it wasn't i didn't want to teach i wanted to be an actor but i needed to be around um people who were as like serious minded and focused on it being a trade and not just something to um like uh i feel like there's a lot of people who get into the theater department in high school and college who just want to stick a thumb in the nose of uh or in the eye of like normies so it's people who feel disenfranchised in somewhere or another. But that to me wasn't a good enough reason to pursue a trade. And it wasn't really what I liked about it. It was reflecting back to our mom earlier. It was this storytelling and the community part of it that I really identified with it. And we had this

woman, Zelda Fitchhandler, who was, she's a formidable person in the American theater community, describe it like that during that first day. And I was like, oh shit, yeah, that's exactly what I want to do. And that's when I feel like I became someone who was in pursuit of an acting career. You're such a theater nerd. I am, I am an acting nerd, exactly. What was your first role on screen? It was in... Grind, grind, yeah. That was with the late Adrian Shelley and Paul Shulzee and Amanda Pete and

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and had a drink, we were shooting almost famous and we went to the Cornette Theater and I was like, why do you torture yourself? Like, you're a movie star and all you do is just like torture yourself as like the actor. I'm like, it's like comes so easy. You're just a star.

Do you remember when I said that to you? Of course. And I remember trying to explain to you. And I was like, you need to just relax. I'm like, listen to you. You're 20 and you are Penny Lane, okay? I am 30 and I can't really play guitar. I'm not Russell Hammond.

If I don't like pressure myself, I'm going to lose it. I'm going to lose this opportunity. Oh my God. You can't hold on my mustache. That says it all, Bill. It's true. I was. I was tortured. I mean, the entire time. So tortured. But it's true. Like acting for Billy has always been a serious job. And by the way, what you're saying is right. You know, I feel that way, too, even though I have a different relationship to it. The point is to make something feel effortless. But, you know, it can be seen differently. When someone's watching an effortless performance, it's not to be confused. with that it's taking no effort.

In fact, it's the opposite. That's a good point. For three years when Billy was at Tisch, he brought it home with him. And so I was tortured for three years of the Alexander technique and what other shit he's picking up. My vocal warm-ups.

Oh, geez. Oh, my gosh. Billy. That's like, I mean, like, I would like videotape myself in different postures to try to make sure that I was aligning myself perfectly.

And then, you know, Tommy would come home and expect to see something on the video and it was really me, you know, in my underwear or in the buff, looking at the costume. Trying to understand anatomy, so because that's one of the things that we were working on in school is how can you organize your body?

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No, when did you guys realize how talented your brother is? Like, what was the moment when you went, like, my brother? He's never won an Oscar, though. They're not there yet, Kate. No, come on, I'm serious, because, like, we know. you know i mean i remember watching billy on stage going like fuck man like he's you you you know you you have a you know an incredible talent so yeah i know i know but but how come you haven't won an academy award um sorry this just my this must be a tortured conversation but

you cut out ollie i couldn't hear me hello i'll ask you that's probably your microphone how far are you along on the egot You're getting closer. Yeah, so far, so far I'm at. Yeah. I'll tell you, it's funny, I knew when, because Billy asked me very nicely to see everything he did, even if he was directing the episode at Tisch, and I would go down and see this experimental shit.

It was horrible. But Billy always stood out, but I started knowing the end of his second year and then his third year, agents were starting to come after the show to stay. staying outside and talk to him. And he's still with Simon Halls after all these years. And that was 19-95. Yeah, with Arcadia, yeah. And so I started meeting these people

and they were interested in him. And I'm like, wow, I mean, he's really talented. Like, was there a moment when you saw him, whether it was on film or on stage, I mean, other than standing out where- Arcadia. Arcadia. Well, for me, Arcadia definitely too,

but with you flew me out when you're filming without limits and to see him transform into Steve Prefontein and then do research on the runner look look at the actual coaches and teachers that were watching him replicate the not only the performance of the of the race but the cadence the basically divining Steve and I watched so many scenes and I watched them watch

him and I was like this is yeah he's definitely that movie yeah he's tapping into something or or seeing like seeing seeing seeing the engine started to turn and seeing how And also to your point, to where you don't realize, because it does seem effortless.

And a lot of your scenes and almost famous to where it's like, oh, that just seems, you know, effortless. It's like it's not. Well, Kate will know for sure because the two of us, I'm sure, were arguing about it before. She was like, Billy, would you please just do it? And I'd be like, no, because Cameron, I don't understand the, uh. that you have like in a trajectory,

I mean, we're just going to the ice room. That would, oh my God, the ice would see. That was like, we talked about that for hours. And the truth is at that time, Cameron, um, he could buy that much time. And Cameron was interested in nuance and stuff. And like, he really championed whoever, like whatever kind of actor you were,

he championed it. He tried to find a way into your, style of working so that he could be a part of that collaboration. Yeah. And like every nuance I felt that. And I would never deliver like I would do stuff too, which is so funny because the kind of actor you are like, I, like there was a time when it was coverage on Billy, right? And we were shooting the scene where I say, or where I say, you know, how old are you?

How old are we really? And then Billy comes up and we shake hands. but the coverage was first on him and Cameron played a song as he did while we're shooting Billy comes over and he goes oh Penny Lane and he puts his hand out

and Cameron put his song on and I it's not the camera's not even on me and I'm bawling and I'm like I don't I'm sorry and I'm just bawling my eyes out and Billy's like looking at me like what is happening

and you just let it like you let the scare it move through you And Cameron, you know, I was liberal about it. Yeah, but it was amazing. Yeah. You got out of your head, though. You got out of your head and eat, pray, love. But, you know,

Ali, that just shows the depth of your devotion to me that you have gone that geek in Uber. Oliver went through all your favorite episodes of all your movies. But he was just Googling while you were watching golf, Tommy. He was Googling, what can you put it in real life. If he orders a toaster, he reads the manual back and forth. I just plug it in and hope it works. Billy's like, I can troubleshoot, I can fix it.

So in real life, it's like he's doing the acting thing. And so he wants to know all the knowledge. I'm like, just plug it in, see if it works. But then what Tommy does when it doesn't work is he throws it out the window and it hits somebody on the head. When I come in and I could say, listen, man, all you needed to do was take the plastic safety guard off the window's not big enough to get out. Tommy, when Billy is on the Rachel Ray Show, do you just go with the normal he's a guest?

Or do you tell Rachel things to, like, throw Billy off center? I don't really, no, I don't really get involved in that. I'm usually after to take a picture with Rachel and my mother and Billy. But one year, and by the way, Billy's been coming on since Rosie O'Donnell. So he's been off. Wait, explain what that means, D.C., since you were working at Rosie. I was a book at Rosie after I left MGM, and I would book Billy, and then he'd be like, you have to go out there with him, so I'd have to go sit out there.

And one time I was plugging a short film that I did, which this is why my acting career didn't take off. But before that short film started, I went to Billy and I said, hey, man, you know, I'm doing this short film. I'm the lead. It's a million dollars. They're shooting in Technicolor. Any advice?

He goes, no. I go, what? He goes, you didn't study. I was like, hey, motherfucker, I'm $80,000 in debt from three years of graduate school. You think you're just going to hop on the bandwagon and do some places? We're taking jobs from real actors. Yeah, why don't you go ahead and take some classes? Yeah, exactly.

That's how I feel. But so one time at Rachel, Billy was promoting, he was promoting the movie Watchman. Oh, God. And so my friend Shane, who was one of the producers on the show, decided to dress me up as the Watchman.

Dr. Manhattan, T.C., is Dr. Manhattan. Okay, Dr. Manhattan, which is a book. And he's ripped, and he looks good. I'm not ripped. They had to paint in stomach things for me. And so I can't. Fake abs. So we were an hour late.

Stomach thing. I was being pacing. And Billy told the producer, I need to leave now because I have a radio and view downtown. No, no, no. They kept us waiting. I got Patrick and Jeffrey D. Morgan to come on the show with me. And they kept us waiting.

And they kept saying, oh, sorry, it's just going to be another five minutes. And it was like 40 minutes. And at which point I turned to Simon, I was like, or whoever was with me at the time. And I said, you know, I can't keep these guys waiting any longer. I don't know what Rachel is doing. It wasn't Rachel. They were painting Tommy. They were painting Tommy blue.

Oh, my God. And giving him like a, just so he could come out for this one day. They snuck me out there and Billy's face, both Patrick Wilson and Jeffrey Dean, were both prying laughing. Billy is white as a ghost. I was mortified for the entire crude up lineage. After that show aired, I didn't date for six months. no one really enjoyed my food with my fake ass.

It was pretty bad. Oh, my God. He had ripped stomach things. And by the way, Billy, you start to come on. I booked these three of you. Thank you. One word to describe each of your brothers.

Tommy. Tommy? Oh, me. Oh, sorry, sorry. A diligent for Billy and thoughtful for Brooks. Billy that's good for Tommy

loyal and for yeah Brooks Thothful is a good one Tommy Tommy I'd say thoughtful for you could the cards Billy

introspective I mean I mean I accept that but I was a zing that was a zing that was it a zespective yet

Tommy Jackass Broke's belly First Celebrity crush Tommy Seala Ward Oh

Interesting He was shooting movie in New York And I walked by her trailer And I'm like, oh my girl In your life? Pretty much I mean maybe Cinderella, I don't know What about you?

Because I'm spacing on her name and I feel terrible about it. Heather Locklear, Bill, no? No. It was a karate kid. Oh, Elizabeth's shoe. Oh, yeah, I love to Lizzie. Yes.

Adventures of babysitting. The adventure is a babysitting. Favorite movie. Yeah. Do you have to be Rebecca DeMorne? Oh. Risky business. That's right.

been risky business. Rebecca DeMorne was... Oh, my God. Yeah. And that was Tommy and I had an experience one time. And this must have been just after Almost Famous because I had never been recognized. Nobody ever gave me, you know, asked me questions about acting or whatever. We happened to be playing golf shortly after Almost Famous.

And the guy who was Arcaddy, he kept asking me questions. He was like really obsessed with the fact that I was an actor. and that he had seen something I was in. And to the point, and if you play golf, you know that it's like a four to six hour round that you're spending the time. It got to about the 16th or 17th hole and I come out of a sand trap

and all Tommy and my friend C is me yell, no, I don't know, Rebecca de Mourne. Did she mention me? She didn't mention you because I don't know her, Brooks. Okay, how many times are they tell you? I don't know her.

I would have kept with her. Billy, that brings me to also, like, how many times are you in a store and, like, Tiny Dancer comes on and just people just sort of like, look at you. Like that happens. I'm sure you get it more than I do. I mean, the best story about this is Billy and I were in New Jersey

at an MMA fight. And it's all huge guys tattoos. We take a train back to the city. Billy's got his hat down. Somebody recognized him on the train and they serenade us with that Tiny Dancer. No. That's amazing.

I never had that experience. Okay, which brother, okay, which brother has like the weirdest habits? Tommy. No, Brooks. I feel like it should be Tommy. Brooks, yeah, definitely Brooks. Give me one. And just look at the headset.

You guys start with the mustache. I'm so bad he brought up the headset. I'm very glad. I didn't want to do anything. I didn't want to say anything. That's his wife's head said. No, my kids have been yelling the whole time. If I hadn't had this on, I could not hear anything.

Okay. He wears it all day long whether he's connected. Oh, yeah, yeah, I do. I do. That's a habit. I just want. You guys, I can't hear you. Okay, guys.

You guys are going to rob a bank, all right? Okay. Who's driving the getaway car? Me. Who, oh, okay. Who's planning the heist? What's the third option? Well, who's going to actually do it?

I think I already know this. No, I mean, then who runs in first of the gun saying, Would your fucking hands up? Yeah, that's, that's Billy. He's the actor. He's got to like, he's, right? Well, I run in and say, not in the face. On the ground.

I think we were playing it as a group and then divvy up the, what we, had to do. Yeah, I, you know, I don't know if Brooks, if I would leave you in charge of the planning, because you might come up with something too ornate for Tommy to follow. I'm also a better driver than Brooks. This sounds like an awful bank heist. We knew we'd never get out of the planning stages. We're like, no, you're going in. No, you're going in. This is your next step for Billy. It's not bad. How about this one? If all three of you got put into the octagon,

Who will come out on top? Billy. That's a tough call. I don't know. Brooks is wide. Bruce is throwing elbows everywhere. Maybe nobody. Billy is very strong.

Exactly. Nobody's coming out alive. Who's the best athlete? Oh. Best athlete? I was in high school, but it's been a long while. Yeah. I'm going to say he's an amazing golfer.

Brooks is an amazing skater. I think we all have different qualities in sports. Are you guys all athletic? I mean, to some degree, I feel like, you know, none of us were, I mean, Tommy was the catcher of his high school baseball team. And so he was a four-year letterman in baseball. So, and I went to play in college and it didn't work out.

I wrestled when I was in high school, but the year that I didn't wrestle, we won state, which gives you some idea of how. What kind of asset I was to the high school wrestling team? Okay, you have, you need advice, relationship advice. Who, what brother do you go to? I find new siblings. Okay.

So let's end with our question that we all. always ask. Okay, one one, one last one. What is, what's the movie that Billy has done that he least like? Oliver, you're such a dick. He's such a dick. This is such an Oliver question. I know.

And this is a question he would ask me on the 17th hole when I'm over a six foot punt that I got to win. I've loved them all, Oliver. I've loved them all. Oh. All of them. see. Okay. I'll give you, I gave you the worst one. The worst one was, I think, Oedipus Bill, on Broadway, off-Broadway? That was off-Broadway. That was

eight hours long. Eight hours. It was Francis McDormand and I, and it was only four. Wait, did I go see that one? I couldn't drag you to that one. I've dragged you to some other ones, but I couldn't get you to that one. I just want to say one thing before we do the last question. Billy, you're so handsome. And, like, I wish that I had your career and you were always the most handsome guy of all

time. I was like, that guy's so fucking handsome. I felt like we could be brothers and it never worked out. But I'm glad that we can have this conversation and maybe we can be friends again. And you're just so handsome,

you know? Ali, I'm sorry, there was a little bit of a technical thing. If you could just do that one more time. Okay, you're just so handsome. You're just handsome. Oh, I'm sweating now. It's hot in here.

It is hot. So the last question that we ask everybody, now this is a three-parter, right? So, well, it's a two-part question, but you guys got to do it for each of each other. So if you could take one thing from your brother for yourself, something that you wish that you had a quality of trait, what would that be? And on the flip side of that, if you could alleviate. something from him that would make his life a little bit easier?

What would you alleviate? My first thing is I would take brains from both Billy and Brooks because they're both much smarter than me. And then I would alleviate angst with both of them. I mean, I think that, I mean, I think we all have our inner angst

and mine chose differently. But Billy and Brooks are such good fathers and such good spouses. that I would want to take that away just so they could just live and not worry about it. That's good brotherly advice.

Appreciate that, T.C. Love you. Love you, bro. I would take Tommy's care for others. The people in his life, the way that he cares for them is, it's unique.

And I would take away from him the cost of that care for others that it has on him and from Brooks his creativity and sense of humor is singular to me and it just has flipping killed me forever

the two of us sometimes sometimes we will have conversations where not a single word is said and we're both belly laughing for 20 minutes so that if I could take that ability to really enjoy a laugh together from him. That would be one thing. And I think, like Tommy, if I could alleviate or take something away from him,

it would be any doubt or self-consciousness about what an incredible person and father is. Thanks, brother. I love that. That's right. Tommy and Billy, I think both I would take... I'm getting better, but I think the level of perseverance and dedication, focus, I guess. And for Tommy, I guess both I would take away or give... maybe the ability to be able to also unplug and, like, have a real vacation to where there is no pressure and relax.

Yeah. That's important. Thanks, Brooks. I appreciate it. I love you guys. I'm so happy you came and did this. I hope you enjoyed it. I'm glad all three of you came on, too.

I'm glad that last minute choice was made. I wasn't interested. I wasn't in front. No, it was good, man. Thanks so much for having us, even though Tom didn't want me. I voted no. Guys,

guys, thank you for having us. The feelings mutual. I love you guys. And, Ali, I can't wait to start up our bromance again. I'm texting you. I can't wait. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving.

Thank you. Happy thanks for having us on. Thank you, boys. Bye, you. Bye. Produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer is Alison Bresnick. Music by Mark Hudson, aka Uncle Mark.

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