Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Bobby and Steve Lee

Episode Date: November 13, 2019

Kate and Oliver are joined by comedians Bobby and Steve Lee for a hilarious and very honest episode of Sibling Revelry. We learn about their childhood, struggles with addiction, and how laughter has helped them through their hardest times. One of the Lee brothers may also have an obsession with Kate’s feet. Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling, revelry. That's good. So Bobby and Steve Lee are today's guest, and they're hilarious. Yeah, amazing. They had us laughing most of the time.

But then it did also get serious. I lost it in this episode. Oh, God. It was beautiful. I mean, it was so, it ran the gamut. I mean, because Bobby is an insane person, and he's got a foot fetish, and he's hysterical. And so is Steve. Steve is equally as funny and insane.

But when they had to sort of talk to each other about what they loved about each other and what they wished for each other, it was like, I was crying. It was beautiful. Well, I also got really emotional because of the way that Bobby handles his situations in his life. that have happened you know he talks he talks very openly about being molested as a kid and but he is funny about it and he kind of and i just couldn't handle it i know well i mean obviously he's covering up a lot of pain yeah it just hit me remember and and i i really had a moment with it all right well you guys judge for yourself but how much pain is bobby lee actually covering up but i really love them talking about their parents how their parents met their their relationship with

their parents. San Diego, they grew up in Southern California, and they are both wrestlers. They both do stand-up comedy. Both addicts. Both addicts. They are just so supportive of each other's careers, especially Steve. He just revered Bobby. It was really sweet. I know. Anyway, you'll not want to miss Steve's cowboy rap. Oh my God, that's right. So here's Bobby and Steve Lee. Enjoy. This is a good one. before we start this episode i just want to send oliver and my condolences to the lee family after we interviewed them their father passed away and so we are sending love and light like the heavy lifting and the reading and then all of our free

freestyles. That's kind of how this is, that's kind of how this. That's like how you do yours. You don't research much, right? I don't do really any because when I do I fuck it out. Can I swear on this? Yeah. Oh God, yeah. I fuck it up. So, so what I know about you guys now is that what, you're the older

brother, Bobby. Yeah, yeah. You're the younger brother. You basically followed in every single one of his footsteps in terms of wrestling because you wrestled as well in high school. Wow, yeah. How do you know that? Because she does research.

Because I'm reading up, I've got so much. Oh, she did. Right? Oh, big. Okay, so you... She knows so many things about you. We're in our size. And so, and then you also then got into comedy. I took a crack at it. And you had already gotten into comedy. I was in comedy and then he started many, many years later. And then he

opened for me in... We don't have to get into that. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up. I'm going to bring it up. Okay. Okay. He opened for me in Arizona. Tempey improv. The Tempey improv. He ate it so bad. Oh, no. Oh, no. Was this your first gig? No, he had been doing open mics around L.A. I choked so hard. Do you remember your opening joke? It was like the worst dream you could have. Do you remember your opening joke? Do your rap? Do the rap you did on stage.

Well, first... So, firstly, I... It was a Fourth of July or... a new year it was one of those shows it was packed like the the platingum the the the upstairs was packed everything was at the plating no no no not the tempe what do you call it's the the second it's a big big bobby right right the balcony

was full the balcony was full okay it's a full house yeah I got a bloody nose walking up to the stage because the altitude maybe or Arizona and then I was like dry it's dry yeah so I try to like below sea level. Yeah, but it's dry there.

It was dry. And so the one thing he gave me pointers before I actually went on stage. He goes, I love you. Try your best. The one thing I'm asking

to do is engage with the crowd. Acknowledge them. And that's the main thing I didn't do. So I walked up there and then I was like, I had a cowboy bit where

do the bit I do a song where it's like a cowboy trying to do like make it in the rap game and I was like I had this thing called like $40 bidder so I was like $40

bidder $40 bidder you know bidet bye bidet bye $40 bidder $40 I'll put your face in the manure my brain is the computer you know you mess with my style I get my cousin Cooter you know like I did this whole rap

I was just and then I like I was like $40 bitter $40 But there's no jokes. There's no jokes. I'm like 40. And then like I get done with my rap, you know? And then I get done. And then I like look up. And it was like a sea of silence.

Oh, my God. And I remember one lady in the front row, like she was crossing her legs like this. Oh, no. Now, that's why I feel like stand-up comedy is like when you get up there, there's going to be a moment as a moment as a. stand-up comedian that you're going to choke, you're going to bomb, people aren't necessarily going to, you know, you're going to have an off day. But let's go back for a second, because I want to go back into, like, birth.

What part of Korea were you born in? I love you for that. That was a good one. Good job. But I told you, you know, I already told you. You already know, right? And he brings that up. He's on set.

He'll say he's North Korean. talk about North Korea, you know what I'm always like, I'm not North Korean, and I know you really get what the fuck you're talking about. And you always, you also like to bring up my love life. I do. We're going to talk about all of this. Yeah, but no, for real, where were you guys born? I was born in San Diego and so was my brother. Yeah. Both San Diego. Yeah. Both Sharp Hospital. Other brothers and sisters. Yeah, I'm still nervous. This is just like the whole time I'm just in my head. You're right. You're doing, Steve. Steve. Steve, Steve, Steve, Steve, live in the moment.

I know I like I'm really enjoying you're doing well for yourself you're doing great yeah yeah I just can't believe okay so you were born in San Diego just the two of you though yeah yeah now your parents oh yeah okay so parents yeah parents I know they they had a store they were in the garment industry fashion gal fashion gal but let's talk about were they born in America were they born in Korea okay so my parents were both born in Korea they lived during the Korean war as children and they didn't meet in Korea they met in a nightclub

in L.A. in the late 60s and the reason why they talked to each other from what my dad says they were the only ones that knew Korean in the club like everyone else is white so they just kind of looked, my dad just looked at the only Korean that was there and just walked up to her and you know

that's not how I remember it. Okay so what was your recollection of this? A club? What is he talking about? I don't know. So where did they meet? No my mom My dad stalked my mom. Oh, really? Oh. The stalking would later.

I don't, I didn't know about the club thing. So they met in the nightclub and then dad stalked mom. And did mom feel? No, mom, mom left the state because of my dad. Yeah. What are you talking about? Because he was a stalker. Like, bring kimchi to her?

No, not kimchi. But he stopped. He followed her to like the Midwest somewhere. Delaware. Really? It's Wisconsin. Oh, Wisconsin. Can I just say it?

Okay, sorry. Let me just say because you don't know the information. Okay, okay. All right, you're just making it up. No, I'm not making it up. There's no kimchi. Mom told me, too. Mom told me too.

Is there, was there, was there not kimchi? There was no kimchi. 100%? Was there no kimchi involved in this? Is that a factual thing? I don't know exactly. Let's get Bobby's perception of mom and dad meeting and the process up to when she actually said yes in like a couple sentences.

And then we're going to get Steve's perception. Kate Hudson, may I say something? Kate Hudson. The nightclub thing, right, it could have been something that I made up to embellish the story. Oh, dude, he exaggerates. Right.

He admitted it. So there probably was kimchi. There probably was kimchi. Dude, he disabitted. So now what is going? All right. What happened? All right, so I'm not specifically,

I might have made that up, all right? So let's put that aside. Okay. And I know, and to your fans, And to everyone in the room, I apologize. And I'm owning up to my character defects. Okay. Okay.

I love that about you. Thank you. I'm like the most forgiving person on the planet. Thank you, Kate Hudson. I forgave you before you and apologize. All right. So I think family members or whatever knew my mom and dad, and they were introduced in that way. Okay.

But I do know for a fact that my mom left the state because my dad, he's an alcoholic. So they met and they dated a couple of times. my dad got aggressive or was a little she didn't like him I know that and I know that she was like I got to get the fuck out of here so they she moved to Wisconsin my dad

bought steak or meat Omaha? I don't know what where the state comes from but I know that's where Ali was conceived Omaha Nebraska yeah oh the connections yeah yeah yeah so cellular cellular and he went

found out where she lived in Wisconsin knocked on the door not good and he had i know okay and he wasn't at night though it was like probably during the day oh that's better and he had a slab of steak because koreans love meat and then um she went oh this guy got me steak right that's that's like a dowry almost like a big thing it's a big thing right for koreans i guess you know and then um i don't know i don't know but i'm just assuming and then i guess she went i gotta give him another shot and then he chilled he realized you know I have to, like, get this lady to marry me before I act myself.

So he put on a thing. A thing for a couple, maybe a year and a half. They get married. Okay. And then he went crazy. Stevie can't. I got it. Stevie go.

Go ahead, Steve. Go. No, I'm, I, I am agreeing with him. I thought it was kimchi. I didn't know it was meat. I didn't know it was steak. That's what it was. So he didn't go to Wisconsin.

So he might be lying about the meat, too. So he didn't. So I'm not lying about, I'm going to call my mom. I'm not lying about the meat. Or I might be wrong. Yeah, but maybe your dad brought kimchi instead of steak. No, he didn't, because my brother doesn't know what he's talking about. That's why I like you.

That's what I'm saying. That's why I like you because you're excited. But it makes sense because he knew that your dad brought her. We got to call mom. Okay, can I just say something real quick before we even continue? I just need you. All right. My brother is playing a game with you.

I'm not playing any games. Yeah, you are. I'm so scared right now, man. This is crazy. Hey, Bobby, how do you know I'm not playing a game with you? It's crazy, man. You're not playing, because I know you. No, you don't. Not in this setting.

I don't know you in this setting, but I kind of know the foundation that you live by. Yeah. And the house they built, you know, not on sand, but on concrete. And I don't know what I'm playing. You don't have to stand up. You could sit down. You don't have to stand up with authority like that. I have a general idea and a good feeling about you.

And I think that you're a good dude. I am. Thank you. And I love you. I found this out later. But my dad, like, he, he drank a lot. He was running three clothing stores, but he also had a very, very, very bad temper. And I didn't find this out until later, but, like, later, he, I guess he was, like, chasing my mom down the hallway.

And then, like, she had a barricade the door. You know, I mean, this guy was, he was a red zone. Abusive? Like Ganga's Kong. Was it abusive? Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Yes, yes, yes.

So I didn't find that. out. My mom has a tooth, but they didn't explain that to me until later in life, like in my 30s or whatever. Yeah, she has a missing a tooth that she had to get replaced because my head punched her mouth out, my dad knocked her mouth out, dude.

Back in the day, back when there was like, you know, pioneers and people that lived in the frontier or whatnot, you would get married, right? So you wouldn't necessarily go, I'm marrying this woman because she's hot and she's got a great personality. No, she has the body.

to mow the plow with the cow you know what I mean and and she's sturdy right and those kind of things were mixed into it and my parents once they got married it was like a lifelong thing you know no matter what but that's what we we had a conversation on set the other day and that's what you believe you're like when you get married that's it I'm so sick of all of these people not being together and I was like well what if you're unhappy what if you're falling out of love and you were like that's bullshit you stick together no matter what are you married oh no no no no i have a girlfriend you have a girlfriend yeah two years two and a half years okay so you're first born in san diego when did your parents do they have a lot

of sex did they have a lot of sex prior to conceiving you yeah but i would assume it was um not the kind of sex that you and i partaken okay yeah i think it's like lay on your stomach oh so Yeah, and she's like... Oh, my. She's like, what? Lay stomach. I don't know. I want to look at your eye.

Right? No, Leon's stomach. Right? And she lays on her stomach. Squeeze a chick together. Right. But can I just, you know, have some space? No.

Squeeze together. My dick is so small. Right? And then, and then he's just like... Like a rabbit. You know what I mean? Right? And she's just like, you know what I'm saying?

It's one of those kind of things, yeah. Yeah, I don't think it was like, you know, a candle. Right. Let's put on some, let's put on like Roxy Music Avalon. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, it's more like.

So your mom probably had, it was not enjoyable whatsoever for her. I don't, I don't see it that way. Right. I think my dad's more of old school. Okay. Do you think, like a prison. Do you think the, and this goes to the esoteric, Do you think the way you were conceived

maybe sort of like dictates who you are now as a person? I think my brother and I are lucky in the sense that you know, when you're in an environment like that, a lot of people, I mean, my brother and I turned to drugs. That's why I've been sober. My brother's been sober for 10 years. Who was first? Who was into drugs first?

Yeah, this was the other thing that was interesting. He went to rehab, then you went to rehab. Yeah. There's an interesting statistic. Kids who have older siblings who smoke or drink are twice as likely to do basically the same things. So do you

blame your brother for those... That's a real question, though. Do you find that because you look... Did you look up to Bobby? Oh, you still do, yeah. Right, you still do.

So did you see him going down this path and want to mimic him, maybe even unconscious, subconsciously, you know? No, no. Although, because I remember going to the rehab in Oceanside and like going into the room and walking around the facility and we had family week at the

McDonald's Center and so I like I knew better but I was in such pain when I choked at the state tournament that that was like the only thing I could like that would bring me. My brother was a straight A student he was a Christian. I went to church dude he had Bible and he cut out messages like passages from the Bible

and I had passages of the Bible in my room because our house was haunted too bro like in Poway. It was like Kevin Spacey's house and like that seven there was like a burial ground like we lived the house was on like this plot of like an indian burial ground or something yeah yeah because they tried to possess me one night my brother really oh yeah did you see an entity they held me down i was i had bible verses right they held me down and then who's they who's they the spirits the ghost did you see them no but they held me i couldn't move but

then i said sleep paralysis sleep and then i heard uh yeah and then the whispers yeah do the whispers Oh, interesting. I can, you know all about this, right? Well, that's the, yeah, that I did, I guess. So there's, there's a couple reasons for that. Like, there's the scientific reason that people would tell you what it is. And then there's, like, people who really believe in things like you and I do. Yeah.

There's another reason for that, too, which is a whole other podcast episode. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. I did experience it, but because I started doing drugs at the age of 11, 12, I was doing math at 13, right? I went to many institutions before I even went to high school, really. You know, me just lock up units. Oh, he was supposed to wrestle his senior year, 112 pounds.

Yeah, yeah, and I couldn't do it. And so the wrestling coach, like, shunned, like, he treated him like he was dead. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's like, you know, is it drug-fueled paranoia? Is it real? I mean, I don't really know, so it's like, you know, I believe, what, what I felt and I feel like I was possessed

and I got up from my bed and I ran to the swimming pool and I jumped in the pool and I jumped in the pool to get myself out and it woke me up. Wow. But I was literally like being possessed. And then because I asked my mom and dad later in life and they're like oh yeah it was only on that side of the house

but they like would park the car and then run to their master bedroom like there was like something going on on that side of the house man. I'm telling you. Did you guys have love, I mean, was your, did your parents love you? I mean, did you feel love from your parents? Oh, yeah. You did. Even your dad. In his sober, you know, he would

look and go, I love you and then he would like kiss you on the cheek or whatever. I mean, obviously there is love, but my dad had untreated alcoholism and he's still not sober. I mean, he has a stroke. Even in his state, he's still

drinking. No, he doesn't drink anymore. No, he can't drink right now because my mom controls everything, right? But if he hadn't had the stroke he would still be drinking at least beer or whatnot you know but like all day yeah all day yeah yeah my mom i remember my mom would uh she would set aside like five uh miller light cans of beer and then he liked uh the the bloody beers where he would mix clamata with it and she would like have that in the freezer too to prep to prep up his his like little drinks she enabled him yeah she basically did yeah it was you know but the way my brother and i survived

Yes, through drugs and alcohol, but we also survived through humor, right? I mean, him and I were chokesters. And I think in that aspect, I guess, it's a defense mechanism, but we didn't turn out to be like thugs or, like, you know, bad people. We have a lot of issues. I mean, I know my brother inside and now. We both have the same kind of issues. But once I got sober, I was able to go, all right, what do I want to do with my life?

And that's why when I was 23, I tried open mic night. at a club. Yeah, he figured it out early. Yeah. So you started using when you were really young. Yeah. Like, really young. Yeah. And were you old enough to understand that you were abusing something or? Yeah, I mean, I was molested, I think, when I was nine and then in Minnesota, we did this thing called knees to knees where all the kids that's in rehab, their parents would come and everyone would come at one time and we'd be in like an auditorium and we'd form a circle and in the middle of the circle were two chairs and that like you would be obviously I'm impatient and you would go knees to knees with your dad right and and I told him I go and my brother was there and my mom was there and I told me that you know when I was nine I was molested by a guy with Down syndrome and my dad goes he starts laughing and then my brother started laughing

then my mom started laughing and then I started laughing and we were crying laughing And they thought that we were like crazy people, right? But that's our way of coping with, right? You're right. Just humor. But Bobby, did you ever have a moment, though, where you actually were able to release it in a different way, like cry it out? No.

I still haven't. Do you want to do that today? I'm here. I don't want to do it right now. Okay, I know, I'm just saying that There's so much repression. You guys, now I'm going to get combative. I want to get combative now.

That's fine. Can I get combative a little bit? Yeah. And I truly believe this. At the time, right, my brother failed to mention that this guy had candy as well. Oh, yeah, he gave out a little starburst. And he also had the dipping candy.

I don't remember that. It's fun dip, right? So that's how we would lure the kids, right, To the area with the hustlers and all that stuff, right? But the kids would go one time through their life. I went there every day for three summers. What does this mean? Because all I wanted was the candy.

Okay. Right. So it's like my thing wasn't about, oh, this guy's touching my penis. I had addiction even back then. To sugar. Like, whatever. Whatever. I can't believe you're laughing at this.

I'm so sorry, Kate. This is, I am so inappropriate. These are the guys. These are the guys. These are the guys. These are the guys. So whatever the, at that time, it was like, candy was my drug. Right.

And so whatever I have to do to get to my drug fix. So that all, all being molested wasn't really hurtful to me, I don't think. I think it was just something that I did. It's like when people, women are heroin addicts and they have sex so that then they can, you know, get money to get the, right, right, right. I think you're scratching the surface, though, the depth of molestation. I mean, basically you're saying molestation was cool because you got fun-dict. I didn't say that. Did I say cool?

No, cool with you. You were cool at being molested because as long as you got your fun dip, you were good. Listen to me, listen to me, all right? You know, like, in leaving Neverland, did you see it? Oh, God. Did you see it? Yes, I didn't see it. So when, you should see it.

I will, thank you. But these issues didn't come up for these two. boys until they had children of their own. Right. Right. So who knows? Maybe when I have children of my own one day, and maybe that's one of the reasons why I don't have children.

Right. Because you don't want kids. No, I love the little guy, people. No, but maybe that's part of... Typically, you've never, you don't want children. At least it's what we've talked about. I understand, but what is the root of that. That's what I mean. Is you don't feel like you could protect them.

I'm not yelling at the information. It's like you have this way of... Did you hear what I just said? What is it, Kate? I said, well, you, I mean, innately, maybe there's a fear that you wouldn't be able to protect your children because, and, because you never felt protected. I mean, or that you aren't good enough to protect your own children. You know, all of those kinds of things that if you, um, I'm, I'm not in agreement. I just feel, I'm like, I don't know.

You're going to cry? I feel so, like, what a terrible, that's terrible. Yeah. It is terrible. She's going to cry. You made her cry. I know, please don't, though. Okay.

Thank you for, you know. So I do feel bad. What you, what you're doing, man? You're making... I just feel like it's good to laugh things out. I know. That's terrible. It is terrible.

You know what? You're right. It is terrible. You see what you're doing? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. In her own house, man. I didn't do anything.

In her own freaking house, man. This is supposed to be fun, man. No, it's... Here's what I think is bullshit, because I've been with you for two years now. We've talked about this. I've said the same things that Katie has said, I haven't cried. But you're just more accepting of the things that she is saying. Is it because she's famous or something?

No, it has nothing to do with that because she's tender. You're not tender. What? Yeah, you're rough. She's tender about it. And I believe her. I don't believe you. When I look at her, I go, I believe it.

Look at her eyes. Should I cry? You won't. Dude, you don't have to do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't do it. He'll make it weird, dude. He's a good cry. I can cry. Okay, so what's the age difference?

Three years. Oh, so you're like us. So you're super close. But here's the thing. Here's another reason why my brother and I work is because in the Korean custom, the older brother takes care of the siblings. It's just one of those things. So, you know, my brother.

brother, you know, move to L.A. It's just the two of you. It's just the two of us. And he literally is like having a kid. Yeah, basically, yeah. I take care of him. You know, like, he doesn't ever have to worry. Do you give him money?

My brother money? Do you give your brother money? Yeah, he has. YPA's for his phone bill and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you, and are you cool with that or do you ever feel guilty about that? I'm not, I don't, I'm not proud of that. And I'm at a point now where I'm like, dude, like,

there's no reason for that. That's why, like, I'm trying to do my own podcast and like I'm trying to get my own sponsorships and I'm trying to do music it's like yeah so I mean yeah I'm not I don't take pride in that at all no do you make music yeah I do yeah I do like what kind I do I record on like a eight track and I make like beats my brother my brother's being humble right now I'll brag for him okay so he's in a band with yeah I don't know if you know who David Cho is yeah he's the artist yeah right and the money mark with the beastie boys right so my brother's in a band with him he's the lead singer oh wow

And they toured what they did with, they did shows with Diane Word. We opened up for them. They also opened for the DJ, what's his name, with the long hair? Oh, we did, we opened up for Delphron. Steve Ielke.

Yeah, we did a fashion week in New York. So he's done shows all over the country, been on tour and all that kind of stuff. I mean, I'm not on a label. I mean, you know, Dave was funding. But he's a great performer. Like, when they're in L.A.,

he's fucking amazing. Oh, we're in a hiatus right now. I like what you're doing. We're in a hiatus right now. Like, everyone's kind of doing their own thing, you know? I like your tattoos. I just want to say this to anyone watching right now that Stevie Lee has some seriously... Yeah, it's got my brother on my arm.

He actually reminds me a lot of... Yeah, it's my art. These are... Who did these tattoos? Are they... I actually designed this one. I drew this one and then just brought it to the tattoo. And then what about your EWalk?

What about your EWalk? Yeah, it's a EWalk, a tape. Have you gotten Bobby's name yet? No, I had, yeah, I have his Korean name here. Okay. So, so. His initials, Bobby Younglee, and then Songu in Carl. Okay, and you have, he has Steve on his arm.

So now this is like Oliver and I. We need to do something. We want to get a tattoo. You should do it. You haven't yet? And we're trying to figure out what that is. Yeah, what the family, brother, sister situation is. But you guys have eight names or anything kind of like that with each other?

No. I mean, my name is Bertie, but it's my only Paul who calls him Bertie. No, we've got to figure that out. But when I know about Oliver and you, is that he talks about you so positively. I knew that you guys had such a great relationship just by working with him for two years. Can I say another thing about him?

Yes. Can I say something another thing about him that when I did the pilot with him, right, he saved my life. Because I'm not really, I mean, I've been on sitcoms before. I've been in movies, but I don't really, you know,

to call myself an actor is crazy, right? Because I'd never really taken a class. I don't really know what I'm doing, right? so when I was doing the pilot with them right okay no I was agreeing I relate to that personally I test well I'm not to that personally you're reading it the wrong way

you're reading it the wrong way when you say you're not doing the classes you're not really an actor like my insecure self feels the same way about me right okay I mean I know enough to be in things right but just you know to do like you know I did this movie with Ben Kingsley

right and like I was I had lines with him and I was so petrified because I thought he's gonna see right through this fucking shit because I don't know what I'm saying right but but Oliver on the day of the pilot he pulled me aside and you got my head right bro you really did because I go there was so many it was a day where everyone showed up tell me about that day

well because I related to him and that's what I was saying before is I feel the same way my insecure self feels the same way I knew what he was going through because I've been through the same shit that he was going through in that moment. It was one of those things were like everyone, all the executive showed up. Yeah. And there was a thousand people like behind Video Village. Right.

And like I, you know, I'm scared because I hadn't worked in like on a show in four years or whatever. So in my head, I'm like, I can't get fired, you know. Right. And then he just got my head wrapped around the idea that it's okay to make mistakes. We're all human beings, right? And then he shared some of his experiences with himself. Thanks for doing that, man. Yeah, dude.

Bobby's my man. Bobby's my man. And ever since then. Oh, thanks. Thanks, Steve. Okay. Is he being real? I think so, maybe.

No, yeah, yeah. Cool. It's hard to tell when Steve's being honest. Thank you. Like, how he's emoting. Yeah, yeah. I can't tell if he's, like, telling the truth or, you see, like, it's a very, very aloof. Do you cry?

I mean, do you get emotional? He has two emotions. Okay. Right? Rage Like, no Like, do you ever see The movie

Being there? Oh yeah So I'm one of my favorite movies Tonsi Gardner Yeah But that's an act Okay I don't know what TV is

Right Right But his other one Is pure rage Oh And so what you're seeing Right now Is the Chansy Gardner

being there But what you don't see Is the raging bowl Where does that rage Come from? Does that rage come out On stage? It comes out

In the weirdest time That's a good question the music helps because it's an outlet you know but I mean on the Uber right over here we almost I almost have to pull over Why we don't have to get into it we're not going to get into it

But this also brings me to something I know Which is you guys have gotten into physical fights with each other Do you still get physical with each other You know we haven't had a physical altercation in like many years It sounds like Stevie was really the number he was about you weren't you the number two wrestler I was right? Ranked two in the 90s. Okay, if I set up a mat right now, who would...

He would destroy you. Yeah, because I'm fat. He would destroy Bobby. You're strong, though. I am strong, but this dude right here, dude, let me say something. I have the same rage because it's what my dad has, but through years of conditioning and just practicing, I can talk myself out of those situations. Pretty 99.9% of the time.

if you get me into that red zone, which is so difficult, I might stay in it for 20 minutes, right? But my brother gets there quickly, you know, because he doesn't have... You know, I'm doing therapy now. I'm working on it. Are you getting better?

Yeah, I do it once a week. You're getting better. Oh, nice. Do you think that's because of your relationship that you went in, did you, that you're... There's a whole lot. I mean, I'm slowly telling him stuff. But, yeah, mostly I'm trying to...

you know, work on my rage, my red zone, yeah. Yeah. And so I'm trying, but it's not a cure overnight cure. No, dude. Are you at all envious of his career and success? No, I'm proud. 100%. There's not an inkling of like, oh, God.

Oliver. Well, I ask everyone this, because how's that not possible? I'm like, I'm kind of starting to feel weird about this too because Oliver was like, Oliver's like so envious. And every time, people are like, no, I'm so proud. proud of my sibling and I'm like Oliver C. I am proud too but to deny the fact

that I have, that there's envy No, you're like jealous and envious. You know what? There might be, you're right, you're right. There might be a little bit. There might be a little bit. I'm proud of you but like fuck I wish I could tell him the Barry Katz story. Oh.

So you know who Barry Katz is? He's a manager. He's a comedy manager. right big big comedy manager oh yeah big comedy manager and i was um sitting at the comedy so years ago maybe 12 14 years ago and we're in the patio of the comedy store and we're sitting next to each other oh my barry cat's a big guy big you know jewish man walks up mommy how are you i'm like oh good you know and he and i go this is my brother steve and barry cat said something he this is the worst thing he could ever fucking said could i do it yes yeah so he's like it was good meeting yeah and then he starts walking away and he goes

so what's it like living in your brother's shadow whoa he didn't say it like that but he said those words perception he said try to do it in a joke so what's it like living you know that and then I looked at my brother's hands

and this is what I see the rage yeah for the audience they're bawling zero to a hundred right I had to grab it like this yeah that's Allison Bobby's grabbing he's grabbing I was just grabbing Allison.

My bad, that was too much. Right. No, it wasn't. Does it hurt? I'm so sorry, my dad. But I had to do that, you know. One of my questions I have is, who's the louder sibling? And this is what I'm getting at.

I think you're the louder sibling, but then if it's that moment where he goes one to a hundred in his rage, that he might then be much louder than you ever are. Yeah. Yeah, that's a very fair assessment. Okay. And now, in your family, so was your mom loud, too? okay so they were both so both your mom and your dad were quite outspoken and expressive yeah i mean my mom is the funny one although my dad's funny in his own way my mom is the type of woman to be in a

mall and go i take a nap now and she'll just lay in the middle of the mall and fall asleep like she doesn't know social like right and then like you know how like you go to a mall there's like a pool like like a fountain my mom won't take her shoes off and just wait her on in the phone that's not what it's there for

it's not a pool for your feet you know so my mom is like that and then she's also just very every girlfriend has ever met my mom goes oh that's where you get her from my situation with Oliver and all my brothers and excuse my scabs on my feet. It's because I'm

athletic and I got I wasn't looking at her. I was, yeah, I was yeah. But you're looking at her. Well, no, because there was like a stick lot of thing happening. Well, you're a feet. You're also a feet guy. Oh, you're a feet guy. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny. I have good feet. I love your feet

that. Yeah. But it's not that wasn't, no, but that was a story. That would be just being observing. So, girls, yeah. Okay, so. He would stare at their feet. All right. Fuck, man. All right, man. Oh, yeah.

This is so, oh, so you really do have a feet thing. Yeah, he has a feet thing. He has a personal feet thing. Oh, it's a real foot fetish. He's, like, obsessed with it. Yeah. Like, when he was younger, he would have girls spend the night,

and then they wouldn't mess around, and then he'd be, like, like, repressed, and then he would stay up all night just staring at their feet. All right. Oh, you didn't know this? No, actually. Oh, yeah. Edit that out.

Would you like to, would you like to smell Kate's feet? Ew, Oliver. I don't want him to. I'm not in that kind of does. This is crazy. No, I'm not like that. What are you fucking making of fetishes for? I don't smell.

I'm not a smell guy. Would you like to like caress the tops of her foot? No. Dude, force him to do it. Will you just do it? No, I'm not going to. Just love the top of her foot. No, no.

We're not. I do it. I do not want it. I know. I know my brother. He wants to do it. He wants to do it. I'm going to smell her foot.

Do it. Do it. Do it. Because he wants to do it. I guess you know, it's supposed to create. It's supposed to like flesh. White American flesh. Did you get that?

I said, what do I do? Please say you got that. Yeah. Oh, this is so funny. Okay, wait. Okay, wait. Who makes Mom laugh the most? Ew.

Are you sure? Yeah. He's accepting it. He's accepting that. What about Dad? him so okay so Bobby's the funny he's the funny

he's way more extroverted yeah and who do you think is the favorite child no no I'm getting a head shake from Bobby I'll tell you why I don't think I think maybe I don't know me and mom

are real close man what me and mom have grown close I know you guys are so close because you know what my dad and I mean this in like the sibling way not in like the reality like we know our parents all love right yeah but have you been envious of love like me no I

I've never been. And also, when my dad got sick, obviously because of my schedule, you know, I couldn't help in that way, you know, like be physically there. But I sent my brother. Yeah, I was in Arizona for six months, dude. Yeah. My brother would just go out there and stay in Arizona for months at a time and do all those medical things that my dad needed, like the shit getting pulled out of his ass and all that kind of stuff. Did you have to do that? Oh, I saw my mom do it.

Right. No, but I lifted him up. You did. Yeah. a bunch of stuff. So you're kind of winning in that department like dependability.

Okay, how do you guys feel about this statistic? Firstborns are generally smarter than the younger siblings having on average a three point IQ advantage over the second sibling. Sounds better.

I don't know how I feel about that. Yeah, I don't know. No, he's smarter. No, I'm not. Well, he's smart in his own way, like politically. He knows all about Donald Trump. You know about, like, you know, the lizard aliens? See, I got a better essay. a T score than him by 10 points but if we if we did I mean I got a 750 you got a 760 no first of all

that's not what it was yeah no it wasn't sorry that's like we basically spelled our name right I got an 860 you got an 870 so yeah that's not actually you're still wrong we're gonna look it up you're still wrong but but I think it's possible that if we took an IQ test which we probably should that I probably still would get 10 points higher than you maybe you I I'm like with Bobby. I think it's possible you might win that one. I'm deep, you know what I mean? Well, deep has nothing to do with IQ.

Depth who says that? Yeah, but IQ, I'm not, you know. Depth has nothing to do with that. There's emotional intelligence and there's... I think I have high emotional intelligence. Not intellectual. I have a high EQ, an emotional quotient. There's an actual EQ and IQ.

What's your next statistic? Oh, in one of your fights, have you ever made the other one bleed? Oh, my God. many times. Okay. I figured. If you could do any other job, what would it be? Just snap your fingers.

You don't have to be skilled. I would love to be like just how my buddy Dave Cho is just do art and do art shows and travel the world, have exhibits. That'd be amazing. It sounds awesome. You know, paint stuff. People will like really recognize it and appreciate it. Yeah.

I'll buy that for $8 million. You know, like, you know, just. just like, all right, just keep, and then you just create, you keep creating. I love that. But that's crazy. You could do that. Like, that's what you're sort of doing. I know how to draw.

I know how to, a different template, you know. I could draw. I don't know how to painting paints different. Yeah, but David Cho was like, you were, he was David, who's this artist, was telling my brother, send me paintings. How many paintings did you send them? Drawings. Uh, hundreds, right? Oh, that was like at the beginning, yeah.

Yeah, but he was interested in his, his, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got great sketches. I do it for fun So your brother wants to be an artist If he could have any other job What about you, Bobby? Well, that's the thing I just got back in the Philippines

And what we did was We would take these little boats And go to these Because there's like 9,000 islands Around the Philippines Was it amazing? Fucking amazing And we would go to an island

And there would be like a group of people Like, you know, people that live there And they would make us food And there was one island we went to Where Kalila was like You know this guy was just on TV He's like the best at what they do and they basically

they get food from you know shrimp and all the local things rise and they put it beautifully on a table and you everyone there's no plates you just eat it you know what I mean I'll share like a communal kind of a thing and the best meal

I've ever had so fresh and and I always thought to myself then I wish I was on an island and I was able to cook things for people and make my make it my own You know what I mean? Because this guy was like the shit of what is this.

So I always thought maybe that would be a good job. You could do that. Yeah, yeah. Childhood crush. There was a tape at my parents' house. There was a tape at my brother, a cassette tape at my parents' house. Don't you dare say that right here. And you could hear my brother as a kid.

Don't do it. Whatever you're thinking about doing, please don't say it. For 45 minutes, this is what you hear. You push play. I love you, Drew Barrymore. I love you, Drew Barrymore. I love you, Drew Barrymore. Oh, my God.

I love you, Drew Barrymore. I love you, Drew Barrymore. I love you, Drew Barrymore. For 45 minutes. I love you, Drew Barrymore. I love you, Drew Barrymore. Yeah. That's so my.

Right. And can I just say this, too? It's Drew Barrymore because this is in the early 80s. When I saw E.T. So when she was on Firestarter. No, E.T. Or E.T. Drew Barrymore. I was a kid.

She's three. But, okay, so what was his childhood crush? Do you remember? Nicole Eggert. The Oliver is projecting. That was my. He didn't have one, right? You didn't have one?

Phoebe Cates. You didn't have any. You had no, you know, because in the 80s, I was drinking and doing drugs and all that kind of stuff. And I was doing a lot of gay things back then that I was just so just lost. So I didn't have the same childhood like, you know, fantasies like Drew Barrymore. Mine was just like out of survival, really. Right. Okay.

One of these things is I just think you guys are very. open. So something... Just that move the foot. Just put it down. Just don't move it around. Okay. What physical feature are you most proud of?

Of my own? Yeah. It's hard. It's hard question because I live in this body. I have no idea. Yeah. I never looked at my body and went, oh, that's the thing.

Never. Never. These are more things we've got to work on. What about the opposite of physical feature? You're just like, this is just a disaster for me. have you heard of a hegemonics or a hegemony is that the right word homogene yeah where no it's it's what the culture um shows what's a good looking man is through media and guys like my brother and i were never like you know especially asian males

in hollywood we never viewed as a sexual you know being you know i think now they're slowly doing that but back in the day you have to imagine in the 80s you know if you were to say who are your Asian role models in media, right? There's Bruce Lee, and then there's Pat Marita. Oh, Long Duck Dong. Long, Duk, Dong. I mean, you have three options, right?

Right. So, you know, we have a weird, you know... Growing up in America. Yeah, in America. I was born here, I'm an American citizen. And I have to say that, you know, my girlfriends have all been very attractive and sexy, you know, but, you know,

but, you know, I've never felt like I was ever, like, you know, a good looking guy. I know I'm cute. I know I test well. You do. I do. Everything I'm in, I test well. You test very well.

The audience loves you. I'm very likable and the audience likes me. But I know that when I go on stage, already I can feel the audience go, we like him. Even as an open micer, I could feel that. But that's because I'm sexually non-threatening, right? They always say in stand-up comedy, the worst, you know, the hardest is when you're good-looking. Okay. really quick here's more of a speed round but we're going to do would they choose but you're going to

answer this for your brother this is bobby lee talking about his brother steve lee would he well i know the answer to this one now would he choose the power of invisibility or the power to fight my brother would i think choose the power of invisibility yeah all right got one right okay would he live in medieval times as a royal or in future times as a cyborg. Future times is a cyber. A cyborg, yeah. Can I do him instead of Bobby?

Right? I wouldn't want to be infused as a robot into technology. So you would go back in time, in medieval times? I wouldn't want to be a robot. So you'd rather be like more braveheart. I wouldn't want to be a robot.

That's all I know. Fantasy or science fiction? I want to say fantasy? But you don't want to be a robot sci-fi? No, but there's other aspects of science fiction i was just going with the fucking science fiction i don't want to be sideboard there's a lot of contradictions here i agree yeah okay beach or mountains beach yeah nice beatles or rolling stones beetles all day yeah yes tupac or biggie tupac i like them both the same

two puck two i like two west coast yeah yeah twopac infinite power or infinite wealth infinite wealth. I guess they're both relative. Yeah. Okay. I guess you're right. Unicorn or mermaid? To make love to?

To be? Mermaid, mermaid. Yeah. Olive Garden or red lobster? Olive garden. Red lobster. You have you been? Pasta.

All of oil. I don't like their bread. All right. They're known for their bread. Sports car or escalate? Any car. I'll take a Corolla at this point. Woodstock 69 or Woodstock 99?

I like that one. That's a good one. 69. Yeah, yeah, LSD. Sure. All right. Okay. Is it my brother's turn?

It's your brother's turn. Invisibility or power to fight? Invisibility. Okay, what about this? What about invisibility or flying? Flying. Yep, you got to say yes. Yes.

Bobby says yes. Okay. Would Bobby like to live in a castle slash mansion or a high-rise apartment? Mansion. Castle mansion. Yeah. Appetizer or dessert? Oh, he's an appetizer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All day. Every day. What was like eight? All day, everything. Yeah.

Beach or mountains? Beach? Yeah. You said, you're like, I'll never come to Colorado. I don't care how many times you invite me. You do not want to be a part of the mountains. I'll never go. Yeah, I know. that's a fact I know I will never go to the mountain

so you're summer winter summer or winter for him yeah summer if he had to lose an arm or a leg would it be the arm or would it be the leg

it would be a leg yeah because he does stand up he needs both hands that was a good joke by the way yeah because he does stand up

he lose a leg you get that yeah yeah yeah I mean it was a good job infinite power or infinite wealth? Power. Ooh.

I like that you guys are different. I'd go wealth. Unicorn or mermaid? Mermaid. Mermaid, merman. Ew. Jet ski or wave runner? Jet ski?

Yeah. Yeah. You know not a jet ski. You need to sit down and just push a button. The wave runner's got to stand up and there's a whole situation that goes on. Headphones or boombox? Headphones for him. sports car escalade

sports car and then what about you for Woodstock 69 or Woodstock 99 he would do 69 yeah that's that question I don't think anyone would pick 99 hey guys who's the most sensitive I think you're more sensitive than I am

yeah I think I'm more sensitive yeah but I want to say this I mean I know we're not ending right now at this very second but I wanted to kind of express how I really do feel about my brother is that that I only honestly at the end of the day

let's say I died in those chapters in my book my brother would be half of the book he is the only one aside from my parents and my maybe Carlila that I truly love

from every sense of my being like for me it's like I mean God forbid anything happened to my brother I honestly don't know how I would be able to even function in life. I mean, it would be like, you know, people could die and I would be hurt, but him specifically, it would be so, you know, devastating that I just would not be able to function. You know, I love him more than anything, really.

And that's why when we fight, it gets really emotional, it gets, you know, combative. But, and, you know, at the end of the day, it's like he's a part. of me. You know, he, we have, we come from the same blood and we come from the same, you know, our parents and him, he's the longest person I've ever known. I knew him from, I'll show you a photo. Let's not do this right. Why, I love this. The photo's right here. I'm going to show you. We want this. And Steve, you should start, you've got to prepare your side of this right now. So think about the beautiful things that you're going to say to Bobby because he just hasn't really My brother, when he was born.

Oh, I did the terror cards, guys. And this is me looking at my brother's hand. Oh, my God. Right going, you know what I? All I ever wanted was for all. And then that's me and my brother. That's me and Steve, you know. Right, that's Steve.

Right here, see? Me holding my little brother, Steve, you know. Me and Steve. Like, he's my best friend. He's, uh, this is in high school, you know? Oh. I know what I'm wearing my head, but like, you know what I mean? But so my brother and I, um, he is,

from a part of my life you know and you know I will always at the end of the day we'll take care of him there's he'll never struggle he'll never you know that's what it is you know that's what it is now go ahead Steve tell me a talk yeah go ahead I don't know I'm to follow that I mean but no to be honest like I wish my sister would say something like that to me yeah you want me to i can totally do that but i just i'm too emotional i'll just start you could start it all but you have to finish but you have to finish but you have to finish okay well i'll just i'll tape it about oliver and then i can add it into right i feel that i feel the same way although i'm not good at uh expressing you know like my how much you mean to me you know

And I know I've like, in a way, I've, you know, just kind of, I haven't been in full gratitude many, you know, for some years as far as how, like, how good you are to me. And, like, I thought, you know, through all this thing, I'm not going to bring his name up, but I thought that you, like, abandoned me, you know, like, as far as, like, when you're in the Philippines. But then when I realized that you were actually, like, fighting for me, I was like, it really, like, I, like, I kind of broke up then, like, as far as, like, oh, my brother, like, I thought that he, like, didn't have my best intentions. I don't want to go into the story, but, like, the whole time he was, like, fighting for me, like, fighting for, so I could get my channel back and so I could have, you know what I'm saying? So, but, like, I, but then, but then I realized, like, why did I. question that you know and so it was it's one of those things as far as like why would i question like this is blood you can't fuck with blood you know like where so you know him he's the best brother i could have ever asked for and um i want to get to a point i appreciate you you helping me

throughout the ears but like i want to get to a point where you know like as far as monetarily i could be self-supporting as well like i don't i'm not trying to you know live off his dime you know that's why I'm like trying to get these things going because in a way I feel bad because he's catering towards my parents and in a way I feel shame because I'm unable to provide that but you know he's doing it so what I'm trying to say is like yeah he's he's probably the best brother anyone could ask for and I know we fight a lot but at the end of the day it's like, you know, I mean, you know, this is like he's, you know, that you, blood is blood. You know, you can't, you know, like, no matter who you meet throughout your lifespan,

you can never replace that, you know, especially this. You can't replace. There's, you know, I don't care if it's your best friend. It's like blood is, it's a, there's a certain power and bond to that. That's, it's, it's everlasting. You can't. At least that's the way. way we were raised so yeah i think a lot of people forget that if you were to give advice to say brothers

that didn't or weren't talking or weren't connecting or like what would that look like what would that be i would just say man like life is too short we don't know how much time we have on this planet or tomorrow's never promised so any day above grounds a good day you should really cherish the one i know this one thing you don't do is you don't hold you don't hold on to resentment resentment is the thing that eats its own container like resentment resentment it's kind of like you're drinking poison expecting the other person to die

from what you're doing so that's the main thing that keeps families apart I this is just my opinion is resentment and it you know that could be coupled with envy and jealousy and all these other aspects but the main thing I think is resentment I would say to life is short and you have to swallow your pride you look at your own inventory

your part in it and then make up because life is short if it's family there's no reason why you can't be in touch unless that person murdered your kids or you know what I'm saying did something horrific

that's unforgivable but Bobby Bobby's like it was going so well I'm sorry, I'm sorry You're right That resentment is huge It's huge It will destroy you

We will end up drinking and doing drugs If we don't deal with resentment That's the thing that is our downfall Well you're right essentially resentment is suicidal Yeah It's contempt It's a version of contempt

That was really beautiful you guys I think you said gratitude I think that's such a great thing to say Oh yeah did that feel good to hear it did it it felt good yeah because he doesn't

we don't we don't have that kind of I know I think yeah I thank you for doing that because we haven't had that kind of yeah

like that type of interaction in years it's not an easy thing to do no especially well because there's also so much emotion I mean you know they say and I could get

into all the stats and stuff but like we've spent the most time with each other than anybody in our family i mean yeah that's just what it is so you guys are super super close and well no but most siblings that is just most siblings so you guys who spent more time with each other than anybody else yeah your partners you're any i mean like anybody else and um and so when you start to actually communicate to that person like from a real vulnerable place you're yeah you're like oh my god

But it's beautiful that you can even say those things. And I'm just learning to, honestly, because it's not easy for me to do what you guys did to sit across from Kate and just say that openly and honestly without fear. You know, and that's his personal fear of judgment and fear of looking stupid. No, I'm freaking out because later on tonight I'm going to be like, you did that at Kate Hudson's house. You know, the one that was almost famous? Yeah, Kate Hudson. No, but that's fucking. It's fucking awesome.

Kurt Russell, Snake Pliskin. Yeah, that, like, that whole thing. You did that, Steve. What did you do? You're going to start. Yeah, then my head's going to be, it's going to start spinning out. Like, why did you do it? You're going to do it.

You're fine. You're great. All right. We like to go 90s hip-hop style. Are we freestalling for real right now? Oh, yeah. I'll do it as low right. All right.

Do you want a gnaz vibe? Here we go. Wait in first. the beat. Bokogi is my meat. Street meat, fleet week. Screwing guys with big feet. I don't want to be cool, but I'm the man who's going to crossroads school. I learn. I educate. I go on a few dates. And then I found one girl who I called my mate. And Little Ray is here. I got the sharp spear. Coming through, you need to open up your ear because I got a lot of fear growing through my heart. Yes, I start to depart, then I pull apart the parts like a goddamn motor.

I don't give a fuck. I got the straight soldier type of mentality in my straight brain. Insane in the brain like I'm Cypress Hill when I got the feel and I need to chill and I need to not kill. I got the rage streaming through my eyebrows. I keep going because I'm headed towards the clouds. When I look up to the sky, then I look up to the ground. Heaven or hell, yes, I am a damn clown. profound ricocheting thoughts in my mind state

I'm not claiming that I'm great but I'm hanging out with Kate Hudson and Ollie Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Why do you cover your eyes? It helps me think better Oh it does? That was fun We have one more question because there's a charity aspect

To this whole thing So Kate and I have a $10,000 bet Throughout this season we are asking our guests And you have to answer honestly And no feelings are going to get hurt but after and and the winner the $10,000 will go to the charity of our choice of one of ours choice

So after this podcast Throw away all you knowing me and everything else Okay Who do you like better Or who do you yeah Myself or Kate just Relate to just generally vibe Like you know

I honestly Kate Really? Yeah Yeah You kiss him can I tell you it's fine I'm saying there's no hard feeling it was my it was my feet

it's not just no it wasn't just the feet right it's just that you know she seems like somebody that I can trust more okay like somebody that like you know fair fair like there's like there's fucking guy he's on a show with you I think Kate has projected a

wonderful motherly figure in this podcast I think that you have found a mother figure in her if you wanted to like make love to her Feet. I don't know about likeness, but I have to be honest, I fear you guys both. Okay. But who do you like the most?

No, no. I like both of you guys. No, no, it's hard. You don't, you're, there's, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's no, there's, there's, there's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I got to, Steve, Steve, he's a, he's a star too. No, but I'm not, yes, yeah. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But don't doubt, he gets, he gets sensitive, so. I just want to say something, I've loved every hour that we've sat here together.

I've loved meeting you. I love finally meeting you. Oh, we'll see you again. We'll see you again, right? Yeah, yeah. We're going to do part two. We're bringing in the family psychologist so you guys can have an actual sibling session. I want to do the terror cards too.

And we can do a terror card. I'll read you. You know, I think my brother and I, you know, I think it, maybe is a cultural thing being Korean or whatever, but we're very real. I mean, we don't really, if we feel it, we'll say it. And so

everything we've talked about is stuff that we feel and we've talked about before. We're not uncomfortable about it. Yeah. I think that being with you too really was very comfortable because we were a little nervous about how it was going to go, but it went splendidly.

And I really enjoyed myself. I did too. Yeah. I did too. So thank you for having me. I have to admit, I was nervous at first, but I'm not nervous right now. Yeah, you're not. Yeah, yeah, we're just chilling. Freestyleing at the end. That's right.

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