Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Brady Bunch Bros

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Iconic TV siblings Greg, Peter, and Bobby Brady were the perfect example of brotherly love in the 70s. Decades later, Barry Williams, Christopher Knight, and Mike Lookinland still feel like family. From pork chops and apple sauce to dating your sister!  They are forever bonded by their time on the beloved American sitcom.  The OG Brady Boys reveal which brother wasn’t the friendliest, how the show affected their real-life siblings, family rifts that never healed, and why there could be more Brady family fun in the future!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibly Revellerie

That's good Over Over Hudson My brother I've been watching Love Island I know But I just want to explain Over I don't think I've ever called you that on the show

And I know Over is what I've always called Was how I would say Oliver When I was little So every once in a while I'll just be like. That's true. Aver.

Sometimes that happens. And I get like, I'm like, but I feel like insecure kind of. Because it's like too vulnerable or something. Maybe it brings back like a bad. It brings like shame. Well, yeah, because probably when you were calling me that I was rejecting you. Yeah. And I don't.

Yeah. I don't know. Welcome everyone. This is, I mean, we're so excited. This is, you know, we're. Our new season of sibling revelry. Yes, bigger, better, stronger. More episodes, you know, we're just, we're injecting steroids into this podcast.

Well, and also it's exciting because we're, you know, we really wanted to like get it going and get some momentum and always have our podcast available throughout the week. And we've got some really new fun things that we're doing. Like we have our episodes with siblings or whether they be siblings that are on television or siblings that we hear about in the news or siblings that people know or celebrity siblings. But we're also doing our revel in episodes, which are my favorite. Yeah. Whereas kind of like you and I have certain people that we revere or that we want to get to know or talk to that interests us. Yeah. Or who could be a great, have a great story that we want to kind of.

And each week we sort of trade off a little bit, you know what I mean? Like you do your revel in it, then I'll do my revel in it. And as similar and as connected as we are, we both have some very different guests. You could probably guess who mine are and guess who Kate's are without even telling you. Yeah, we could just tell people what they do and why and people would be like, oh, that's definitely an Oliver revel in it. Yeah, no doubt. But we are so excited to be back. And we are also looking forward to your correspondence with us.

We're always listening. So check in with us. And, you know, we love to hear any ideas, too. If you have any good ideas, we'd love to hear it. And then for me, for me personally, I just need to know how I'm doing because I seek validation. So if you're going to write in, you know, write in, you can give us ideas, you know, all that. but definitely I need an analysis of how I'm doing. Exactly.

You know, let's just move on to Love Island. Oh, tell me. I know. It's nothing. I just, I'm like upset with myself,

you know, because what happens is. Yeah, because I have my morning and then I do my like work. I can do my coffee. Then I'll go out and do something. And then I come home and I have like maybe 40 minutes between things. So I make some food and I sit down at my TV and I just put on something.

mindless but I won't give a shit about and I put on Love Island and all with now I'm like eight episodes deep like and it's such mindless horse crap you know but you love it I love it I love it and it's ridiculous it's okay I think it's okay to love these shows I think look sometimes as long as you have perspective on them I just think it's weird and people love them so much they want to be on them like then you're like wow that's intense that's like like like what like Could you imagine actually making the decision to go on a show like Love Island? Well, imagine me at like 47, like coming down the stairs, Oliver Hudson, with my shirt off, people would like literally start vomiting. I mean, people would be like, oh, Jesus.

Whoa. Oh, man. No, but I'm like all for those kinds of shows. I love them. I've seen everyone. It's, I mean, look, you know, there's a lot of people who think like, oh, the Bachelor and like what it stands for and all. stuff and I don't know I think it just everybody is just relax oh god the ultimate I love love is blind I've seen love island fuck boy island the bachelor I like love is blind I love is blind is

is a really interesting social experiment to me it's great yeah because you're sort of like wow yeah it you know um yeah what would it be like I mean and then my favorite is just when they finally see each other yeah and they're like oh god This is a moment where someone's so excited and you can just see in their face like, oh, no. I know. How do I get past that I'm not, you know? And I also think like the pheromone thing is interesting

because you're taking the science part out of it. You can't smell the person. Yeah. And like the pheromone, the pheromone is directly connected to like, I guess, well, I'm going to, I'm going to butcher this right now. Yeah. There's something about the pheromone that's directly connected to your genital area. You're mating compatibility.

Right. Your penis and your vagina. I could have totally made that up. Yeah, I don't know. But I think that's what it is. It sounds good, though. But it just proves love is not blind. I mean, yeah, you get to know each other personality, but like physical and chemical is real.

I think it proves that love is smelly. Yeah, love is. stinks. Love is a smelly business. And, Ollie, Ollie, I'm really excited to talk about our new guests. Our next guest. I think they're in the waiting room. Guests. Guests. I love that we have a waiting room and that's what we call it. I know. I know. Well, most people who do Zooms have waiting rooms. We should call it. It's more of a green room. You know what I mean? Because we do provide snacks and

drinks at their prospective homes. That's actually really funny. We should do that. We should actually send them like a little like care pack. We're usually five to 15 minutes late. So here's our green room. Yeah, but this is really fun. This is the first time we've done something like this where our sibling episodes are not actual siblings.

No. But they're show siblings. Very famous shows. From an iconic television show. That's right. Called the Brady Bunch. The Brady. So we have Barry Williams, Chris Knight, Mike Lockenland,

waiting to talk to them about this experience. I'm excited, Ollie, because my big question that I want to make sure that I ask is like, how does that affect your own relationships with your siblings? Like, you know what I mean? If you're young and you're on a show. It's such a great. question, by the way. Yeah, if you're on a show, thanks. But if you're on a show, I think, actually, I think, I think, I think Hannah might have come up with that question, our producer, but I, but it was my favorite one. Yeah. But I, I, I feel like it kind of got me thinking, like, imagine if I was, you know, I don't know, 11, 12 years old and that for those five years was on this big, iconic, show and then my siblings were like I don't know I would feel like it would kind of mess me

mess everything up I think it's a great question and and you know these guys have been doing this interview process for a hundred years and I bet you they've never been asked that question so it's definitely one to remember but Barry and Chris have a podcast yep they um their podcast is I mean where they basically basically go through episode to episode of the Brady Bunch and talk about it. Yeah, I know, that's fun. But I'm excited. I'm excited to talk to these guys. Let's do it. Hey, Hannah, bring these bastards in.

Open the door. Open the door. Don't say that. That's a terrible thing to say. Oh, I thought that they might, you know, enjoy the. Ready? Open the Oliver. Anna, you open the door to the Brady Bunch. in me. Oh, I don't know why it's so dumb. September always feels like the start of something new,

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Welcome, boys. We're here to talk about birds. Now it all started. The birds and the bees. The birds and the bees. Christopher and Mike, Christopher, do you like Christopher or Chris? Chris. Chris.

Yeah, so before we get into anything, hold on, we were talking about, you know, before we, they were in the lobby, we were all talking before on the air. And Chris is a major bird man. We got into the whole bird talk. And it was quite fascinating. The man knows more about birds than probably bees. I didn't bring up the birds. Mike brought up the birds because he had, has a parrot, apparently, that had to vacate the room. And then you shared that, in fact, you grew up with a macaw for a short term.

Right, right. Macaws are serious business. they really are Maxine her name was Maxine and she would yeah and she would speak I would talk to her and she'd talk

back all the time she was she was so great but she didn't like infants no she didn't because Wyatt was born and then Maxine went crazy and all of a sudden she starts saying fuck you Wyatt and no one

taught no one even taught her that it just sort of came naturally. I'm the baby. That sort of fits in with the theme of our show today. Yeah. Can we all just get along? Do you do interviews often where the three of you are chatting together still? And do you go and do events and things like that?

We're individuals and not really a family. So though we will one of us get called. and by somebody who expects us to pull it all together like we were a real family. So no, not together individually, perhaps. So as soon as you add another and another, it gets progressively more difficult to rally everybody at the same time. And Barry and I are doing our podcast.

So we have at times invited Mike on, and we've had that opportunity on our show to reminisce. But other than that, it's rare. mostly the times that we get together, you're watching it because it's somebody else pulling us together. There's a critical mass that we can reach. And that, you know, that happens at six. If you get all six, oh boy. But three boys is a good start. Right, right. Well, this is really fun for us because sibling revelry, obviously we have siblings on. But I think you're the first where we're doing show siblings. Yes. You know, we've done this before.

It's also really interesting because, you know, well, let's start this. How old were you when you started the show, all of you? And obviously, you know, older brother, middle brother, baby brother, and the show. But what was the age range? 14 to 20 for me. 14 to 20. I mean, oh, yeah. And I started, are you 14 at the pilot barry or 14 first year?

Well, both. So pie, that's okay. So 10 to 15, 15 and a half. Yeah. I was nine to nine to 14. Wow. No, eight, actually in 69 I was eight. You were eight, yeah.

Yeah. Quickly, because I'm sure it can be a long story, especially for all three. What was the casting process like? You know, were you all actors initially, with some of you not? Did you go in and read multiple times? Did you screen test? Did you have any inkling that it was going to be an iconic show in any way? What do you remember?

We might have different stories about this because I think the process was different for each of us. But initially there was a cattle call that it's referred to with when everybody who has an agent, you know, comes in. I had been acting. I've been active. I've done a lot of episodic television like run for your life, Dragnet, FBI Invaders, Mod Squad, and Gomer Pyle, that girl, Mission Impossible, Marcus Welby, MD. It takes a thief, a lot of stuff. And so there were mountains of people, and Sherwood was, our producer, was trying to weed that out.

There are some 1,100 kids that came in over the course of time, and then we would come back. Those were just straight interviews. Then there was a follow-up interview, and then there was a screen test where they actually had the camera and the director in them. I had a little bit of a leg because, well, you had to fit the suit, right, to use a great Brady term, because ages and looking alike and that kind of thing. But the director, our director who directed the first seven episodes had directed me in Gomer Pyle and that girl, both of which were on Paramount. So he knew me, he was familiar with me, and the network knew me as well as the studio. So that, I think, was helpful.

And then there was a screen test and then script arrived. Who was cast first? Susan Olson. Okay. Susan Olson was cast ahead of the adults. Wow. Sherwood Schwartz fell in love with her. And she walked in and he was eating out of her hand.

It was just instant. She had a couple of choices. She was up for another. series too, which I, maybe one of you know which one it was. Gunsmoke, possibly. I think it was gun smoke. They were going to have a character.

And she said that she wanted to do the Brady bunch because she'd have all these brothers and sisters. It's a choice. Yeah. Mike, Mike, do you recall? Because I get asked this and I have very little recollection of the casting process.

Oh, Bobby was the last cast member to be chosen. But do you remember the process? process? I mean, what? Well, it was different for me. It was very different for me. My story is kind of the opposite of Barry's. Up until I got cast for the Brady Bunch, I had done two parts. I'd been on two television commercials. One for Band-Aids in which I was just wrestling in a playground and you couldn't pick me out. And the other was a paper towel commercial in which you only saw my hands. That was my entire resume. Well, yours is a

And they looked in, they, they had everybody else. And of course they had the adults out of the, you know, the core nine people, including Alice. And they had trouble finding a Bobby. And so they looked in other markets, mainly New York. And they came back to L.A. And according to Sherwood, I got cast, well, not only because I could look, you know, I looked acceptably like Robert Reed and you two guys. we could be brothers, but also it's in their book that they sat me down and, I mean,

we're just talking about little children here, you know, they sat me down and carried out an interview with me with a coffee table full of toys. And I didn't go, and I didn't go for the toys. I paid attention to what was happening with the grownups. and um and so that was sort of one of their one of their tests i did not get a screen test but i remember it's very um you know we were the boys and the girls were step brothers and sisters right and it was very much kind of that situation where we each had our own families of course and uh we all have have uh siblings and uh real siblings and uh I was walked into a room

I picture it being night time like it was evening and all the other cast members were there and I was holding my mother's hand and they walked me into this room and they said Mike here's your new family and it was sort of a huh moment

giving you away yeah and you know we'll see where that goes I have no idea what you mean by that but but you know off we went and there was a lot there was a pretty big gap in the calendar between the pilot and the shooting of episode one

of the first season back in those days back in those days you made the pilot and then you shopped it around a finished product to you know to see he would buy it yeah we shot the pilot in September in October of 68 I mean we weren't back together until June

69 right I don't think we got the pickup in April or no almost six months so so when you're when you're eight years old you know six months is that's a big chunk of time when you all met for the first time or when you started the process was it like did you feel an instant connection or did it take a while did it take like a couple episodes or a year you know or was it kind of like you guys all were excited and ended up immediately connecting it's like any other job that's the first week you know i mean if it's only a week long, you never really get beyond that. I think it was a 10 day shoot, and I don't think

we really had anything to do any interaction with the girls except for the wedding scene itself. So we really hardly got to know who they were, if I recall correctly. And my casting experience, what I remember is similar to mics. I don't remember a screen test, and they didn't have portable cameras in the time. So I don't, and I believe it was just in Sherwood's office. And Mike, I think, I mean, I have the same experience with, it's a personality test. It wasn't an audition of any type. Right. So I sure wasn't aware that I couldn't read a line.

We're going to put a lot of weight on these kids and hopefully have a hit show on our hands and we want to see if they can handle it. I only played with the toys. You played with the toys. See, they were looking. One of the things, Michael, you might want to amplify a little bit is it was a hair issue. with Michael not conforming to both Christopher and I. I had, right, I had, I had real blonde, strawberry, blonde hair and freckles, which at the time in the movie business was like solid gold, you know,

I ended up, I ended up over the years getting dozens and dozens of spots on commercials. But they had chosen, they had chosen, darn it, what was the show? not seven brides for seven brothers anyway they had here come the brides yeah they had chosen the kid who was my age who ended up being in here come the brides and they said to

my agent and my parents you know we we like Mike better we you know we'd like to cast Mike but he he's got to have black hair and at the time it seemed like a big deal I mean you wouldn't think twice about it now you'd have green skin if it was you know if that was what the part called for but at the time it seemed like a big deal so we said okay

i'm going to have black hair and barry you might not know i was cast um as um eddie in courtship of eddie's father oh i didn't know that yeah and uh tony tony which was our our common agent we all are the same agent um Tony said um yeah Tony said um yeah imagine no i you know i the four of you You, Susan, Barry, and Maureen had the same. And then we all ended up with the same agent. And then we all ended up with the same. But even I had different agents. Tony, Tony Kelman said no to my family.

You know, you're up for these two roles. Coach of Bavetti's father has come in first offering you the job. I don't want you to take it. I want you to pass it up and hope we get this other one. And the other one turned out to be the Brady Bunch. Wow. Wow. Did you ever ask her why she made that call?

because courts of Betty's father on paper My family lore says that Tony told my mom I don't like quote the people Were your parents very involved in this process And then moving forward into the series Just because they had to be on set obviously Yeah and I have I wonder because at the time

I mean we were talking you said 68 69 like were there even like did they have the same regulations like did you have to have school on set where there's certain hours you could work was it did they already jack at kuggan law was in place you had you had the charl welfare laws that haven't changed yeah at all since then you know eight hours a day one hour lunch so you were all in school together yeah yeah well they started conveniently when we started the production itself, we started the Monday after school got out. And we were all in public school, so we were all on the same school calendar. So that Monday that L.A. public schools was out for summer vacation was the first day production.

And they did that every year. Oh, great. So that at least they get as many days as possible with us. not having to have that three hours of school. Got it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season.

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You know at what point did you guys start to connect Understandably 10 days You know shooting the pilot six months between that It was as you know It's something about having met some I don't know what happens But you've met somebody Don't get to know them very well

But they're a known entity And then you reconnect And it's almost as though you connect at a different level than you left it the last time. Or it seems like it immediately connects more deeply. I think also you recognize that there's a trepidation on any project because you're really not going to see these people probably ever again on most projects. Now, when you're cast in a series, you recognize you're going to be working together for

a while. And there's a little bit more investment. I don't know if it's conscious. I'm 11 years old here. as the series is, you know, in production. I don't think I was thinking like that, but it feels like that in retrospect, that the friendship that I felt was almost immediate.

I know it had to take some days to get gone, but by the end of the first week, it's, you know, like we're old friends. You say friendship, right? And of course, your brothers, right? And there's obviously the age gap. So, Barry, did you older 15, 16, getting your car, girls, this, this and that?

I mean, how do that affect your relationship with the younger boys? Did you feel like an older brother in any way? Or was it just, you know? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think we all brought our own skills in from our nuclear families. As Michael pointed out, we all had brothers, sisters. I had two older brothers being the youngest of myself.

And so I was using the techniques from my older brothers that they used on me, which was not very kind to either Chris or Michael. And so I would tease them. I would play jokes on them. I would sometimes put them into compromising positions because that's what I learned and that's what I knew. And I didn't realize I was actually terrifying. You know, he did.

So this story, now Barry's heard this ad nauseum and I repeat it every time because it's sort of foundational and you've asked the question. So when we were doing the pilot and it was during the production of, of the wedding scene when we were on location and we had a shared wagon, Winnebago or something that we all changed it. And even we'd carry on that sharing of dressing rooms beyond just this pilot and went on location. We shared the same dressing room for the first year when we were on the lot. But okay, so this first experience on location in a shared environment, Barry, you know,

Barry was, I mean, and he wasn't warm to us or I didn't feel that way. And he always, he was very mature for his age. Like I think, I assumed he drove to, you know, to the location. But he had his hand in his pipe and he smoked and he smoked. So he's an older kid already. And he had this thing in his pocket and he kept clicking it. Click click, click, click, click. And I'm just a little kid that's just, you know, try and just to stand on my mark and noticing.

and he's noticing, I'm noticing the click, and he tells me to guess what it is. Now, I'm thinking that I'm told that I got to guess what it is. Okay, we're, you know, the age we are, and they don't trust to eat our lunch in our wardrobe. So our wardrobe is off at lunch. Let's play. Can you guess, can you guess what would be clicking in my in my pocket? Lighter. I want to do it.

I want to do it. Okay, go ahead. Lighter. Yes, yes, yes. Go ahead. All right. I had no clue. So, but, but I would.

was industrious. I saw his pants at lunch sitting right there. I'm either looking at it or putting it back in his pants pocket, the door opens and it's him. And I'm caught. You know, like

I don't remember what Barry at that moment thought said or what the look was on his face because it didn't matter. Everything inside of me looked backward at me and just melt it. And I never wanted to see him again after that that is humiliating moment and i remember when we got picked up so and i believe

tell me if i'm wrong i think the the uh wedding stuff was sort of at the the last stuff we did in the production so that was near the end right might have been the last day of production it was like oh no hope i never have to see him again because i'm i humiliated myself i guess um and i don't think barry did anything to compound it right i think he laughed or something but you know i but when we got the call and the show had been picked up from pilot two series. I remember wishing I knew how to do a backflip. This is because I was trying to learn how to do a backflip and then you didn't get together. I go, this would be a time I would do a backflip. I knew how to do a backflip. And then as I'm all excited about that, I realize, oh, I got to see him again. And that was my feeling

going back into this. But when we started, the excitement of starting and now, you know, have this place to report to, I never had that feeling from him again. I mean, I don't know what it was on the pilot that day or those days that Barry gave off that feeling, but he, he,

it wasn't there when we started in the summertime. My favorite part, though, is Barry was smoking. It's like a picture like, you know, all right, cut,

turn the cameras around. Barry's like, I'm going to go have a smoke. He's like 15. Totally. The image of that is, hysterical. Oh, my God.

It's, it is, it is really fascinating to me, you know, when, when you're young and you're on, like, like, yet to be young and on a hit show, but like, but like it's, like, there was so many of you. So I wonder, like, when you start, well, I guess my question is when, when did you realize that you were on a hit show or that it was like a hit? when we started traveling and doing promotion ABC was our network and they would send us out to do promotional junkets

we had a Christmas album early on and we would go out and do personal appearances and when we started doing personal appearances I think it became pretty apparent because we were inside the cocoon of the studio and our sound stage for the first year or so and then after that when we were meeting meeting people

who were watching our show and we're fans of our show, we began to understand the impact of it. And that's where I think we really started the bond as well, because we all, you know, we all had our roles in being responsible for doing things. And I did assume a Big Brother kind of role. And I was protected, particularly of Susan, because of what we were subjected to. We're moving logistics are, you know, enormous. We're flying in planes or driving in cars.

We're arriving in buses and stuff. So we worked together quite a bit as a unit and learn how to rely and depend on. on one another. Probably what saved us. I think that that's interesting in the way that you've asked the question. When did you know you were on a hit series? I don't think we ever thought we were on a hit series. I never felt we were on a hit series. We were never picked up, well, we were once picked up for an entire season. We always had to earn our back end. We were right on that kind of top 30 cusp back in the day. You know, the top 28 shows got picked up and anything beyond that, you know, was, you know, maybe.

And we were, like, always wondering if we're going to get picked up again or if this is going to be the end. But it doesn't matter to be on a hit show or not. The difference between not being known by anybody and then being on a series, it doesn't have to be a hit or not, all of a sudden you're in front of millions of people. And maybe as a child, you just don't recognize what that is going to mean in your life. you're not prepared for that reflection of you? I mean, all of a sudden, people know who you are before you're there.

And that's not something that happened prior to that. How did each of you deal with that sort of fame, you know, going from the youngest to the oldest, Barry, you've had some experience, you were on TV, I guess, you know, but was it intoxicating? Was it scary? You guys are just kids, really, at the time, you know? I loved it. I loved every minute of it. I thought it was the coolest thing in the world to be.

be recognized and, you know, meeting people and having fun. I felt a bit self-important. I had access to a lot of cool things too, like, you know, my first car was a Porsche and I had the greatest stereo system happening, you know, for the day and my JBL speakers and my dual turn table and a record collection that went on for, you know, like three walls worth and it was, you know, so I just. Do I hope you still have that record collection? Well, you, Barry, you knew going on in because you really were purposeful about your career, even at 14.

This is what you wanted to do. You had an awareness that if you were on a series or a hit series, even more so, that people would recognize you and empower you in some way. I mean, in other words, you were anticipating it, right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know many actors that, like, you get into the business to go unnoticed. well that's my point so you know

we're kids not intending to be in show business and all of a sudden there's this flood of attention that you're not at all prepared for so was this more of your parents who were sort of wanted you to be like acting or in the industry or commercial work

it's simply an old world way to pay the bills yeah or different you know you're hitting on a really interesting subject which is, I guess, loosely called stage mothers, stage parents, but particularly stage mothers, because they're usually charged with the responsibility

of being a guardian for their kids when they're on the set, as you will know. Well, stage mothers really is a term that is applied to basically mothers of children who want to live their lives through them. And that's, that becomes, comes really challenging. And that's not something we had to deal with very much. Certainly my mother was not that. And by the time I was 16, my mother gave Chris's mother authority to be my

sort of, quote, guardian. But she really wasn't taking care of him all that. I kind of had free reign out of that. There was no guarding, Barry. I'm wandering off the gunsmoke set and climbing up in the facades of those of the town, the western town, and spoke of my cigarettes. And then, Mike, what about you? Barry was very much too cool. He was miles out of my league. So I had to use Chris as sort of like an interim, you know, to get anywhere near as cool as Barry.

I had to kind of ride Chris's coattails. I learned to, what one thing we did to entertain ourselves off, off camera was rip on Maureen McCormick. So, so, uh, so I learned, or at least they did. I was mostly a spectator, but, um, yeah, we, uh, you know, they, they would tease Maureen relentlessly. And I, I found that hilarious, but, uh, and that's why we did it. Yeah, um, the, my family, my family's in, I, my family, um, was, was, uh, singer entertainers from, from when I was a young child. child. And the, but what we would do is we'd go as a family to, who knows what, you know, rotary clubs or something and sit and sing. And, you know, my mom with the auto harp and me and my sister on stools and my little brother, like literally babe in arms. And we would sing. We'd do a little show. So, so I had, I had entertainment, you know, I had experience. being in front of people

from when I was just a toddler. But my parents, my story about getting into the TV business is a dad's family photo on the desk thing. Someone, you know, everyone in L.A. works in the movie business, right? They might have a real job to make money, but everybody's in the business. So anyway, my dad...

You're perpetuating a myth? Yeah, right. No, we, yeah, but see, I, I can say in retrospect that my, that my, you know, Barry said he loved every minute of it. I, I, I certainly enjoyed it and, and, and loved the fame and the recognition. But given the opportunity, I can say now that my flight to Utah when I was 17 was, was, was just, just that. It was an escape to get that far away from L.A. and from agents and from casting directors and freeways. Yeah, it's not for everybody. Yeah. And sometimes it takes, like, I think there's a lot of younger actors that have been and had experiences that just walk away from it and go, that's not going to be my life. And being the youngest one, you know, I was still a kid when we were done. You know, it wasn't something, my childhood wasn't something I looked back on. I lived my childhood with money and cars in my 20s, things you wouldn't normally have when you were 10 years old.

And that can be dangerous. I tell people that if every man, woman, and child had had a high-deaf camera in their pocket when I was 17, my life would have been ruined. You're wild? Yeah, I, yes. These guys, listen, listen, here's one. These guys have over the years gotten into calling me the normal one. I'm, you know, out of the six of a son, the normal one.

They have no, no, I don't think we, I never called you the normal one. You knew better. Well, one second, Kay, because I want to mention something that we've known each other for 56 years, Barry. Did you know that he was, family was like the councils? We're learning something new here. I never knew that. I never knew that about Mike. I want to dive into it real quick.

When you say wild, like, I was wild. I mean, I did crazy shit, but what are we talking about? I mean, we talking about drugs, fast cars, girls, crazy. wouldn't stuff you wouldn't uh i got reports want to tell your mama or your grandma about uh yeah yeah drugs and alcohol and uh and just general general over you know all around breaking of the law micha was a dead hit oh yeah no was he is oh now we're opening this yeah yeah yeah so a lot of psychedelics i'm very familiar with deadheads a lot of psychedelics i married one once i am actually, I've been playing the rock star lately.

I'm in a I'm in a Grateful Dead cover band. Oh, wow. In fact, in fact, Barry, you guys should see a lot of my hair. There you go. I'm so happy. Wait, where do you live? I live in Salt Lake City in Utah. It's been snowing.

So, so Ollie, you should come go skiing. You too, can. Yeah, I'm going, I'm going to be, I'm going to be in Snowbird on MLK. day. I'll be in snowbird skiing. Okay. I'll see you then. That's where I go. Good. You see my snowbird hat right here. Yeah. No, I skied for the first time last year and we got interlodged. Oh, yeah. That's a big thing. The snow was so good. I've skied all my life. It was some of the

greatest skiing that I've ever done. Everlodge is you're not, you're not allowed to leave the building. There's so much snow and there's so much avalanche danger. Yeah. Crazy. I called Oliver on FaceTime, and I was like, where are you? Because it was so different. Like, we grew up in Colorado, which, you know, so I knew he wasn't there. It couldn't have been a more different kind of terrain, but it looked amazing. It's incredible. Oh, I love it.

Yeah. It's terrain-wise, it's beautiful here. And if I need to go to L.A., hey, Barry, do you want to tell everybody why I was growing my hair long? that uh not shrine I know no you can't mutter that yet

no he's oh you're growing mushrooms in your hair no no it's I think I think I think the we might have one

one good Brady show left in us maybe strikes over hello CBS I know We might, it just might, we just might have one, one more left in us. Well, there's been like 16 reunion shows.

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how did it affect your other relationships with your siblings? Well, that's a good, that's the million dollar question. Yeah. I don't think well. I didn't, I didn't really understand this because I was so busy trying to hang. They used to call me tag along, my brothers, because I just, I wanted to do everything they did and just and be there, be in the room, you know, whatever they were doing was cooler than what was going on in my life.

Even as the show, well, as the show progressed, then that not so much. anymore because frankly what I was doing was way cool but there's this inordinate amount of attention that comes our way there is so much there's publicity and their team magazines at this time you know going on television people know you and the siblings can get lost easily in that mix and I didn't realize that I just I felt them distancing themselves from me but they were older, you know, they're like 17 and 20, I mean, 18 and 20, so they were distancing, but as adults, I came to understand that that had a very, very serious impact on their development and on their relationship with our parents, and their, I would say, perhaps

dislike for me. Just envy? Envy. Wow. And has that been reconciled? I mean, or had it been reconciled over the years? No. Wow. That's so interesting. Hasling rivalry. Right. It is. And it isn't. I mean, I think that we, you know, we've interviewed a lot of celebrities with, with siblings that have been very supportive. It's also a very different generation. A lot of the younger, you know, siblings or, you know, talk things out. differently, I guess, but there's also a lot of times where, you know, we ask certain people to come on and they just will not do it because they, their relationship with their sibling is too trying, you know? And so that's, you know, that's really understandable. Well, no, I totally, but when you have love between a family, yes, there's jealousy, there's envy, you know, I, I subject myself to it and I say myself because I'm the one who creates it. Granted, I have a great

career but you've got Kate you've got mom you've got Kurt now you've got Wyatt I mean they're all movie stars for the most part and I'm not crying myself a river but there is envy there is like oh I wish I could do that or I want to be that or whatever it is but at the end of the day it's all love because we're siblings you know what I mean we're a family so I just wonder especially with multiple siblings how that doesn't get sort of I guess addressed or figured out because it seems pretty surface or petty. Well, it might be petty. I mean, in my case, I don't have Barry's experience.

We all have our individual experiences. But when you take into account what's really going down with a family, I'm sure Mike and Barry get asked the same question, you know, by their friends. They have a cute daughter or cute son. He should do commercials. He should do modeling. You know, and my, what do I think? I think never, you know, when they're 18, they can decide to be in the industry.

There's no, there's no success they can have now. That'll be consequential to the success that they'll have as an adult. Matter of fact, it might even create, you know, barriers to becoming a success as an adult. Because reality is, is that there's multiple kids in a family. I mean, I'm this a year and a half younger than my older brother. I've got a sister three years younger and a brother seven years younger. and my mom ain't with him for half the year

what do they get that's my story exactly the Brady Munch took my brother and sister's mother away from them wow interesting

she had a full-time job which was to be with me on the set and your fault too right it certainly had an effect on the you know

on the family the thing is though you don't you don't like I was going I knew what what was required to me know your lines

hit your mark you know it was a job it was impressed upon me and all of us very clearly that sure have fun be kids

we want that we want that to come through in the characters on the show but this is a job and you're on the expect and you're expected to do it and you know uh don't you know there's no there's no margin for for screwing this up and uh so that so that was my focus you know my little brother's focus was

mom's gone you know uh you know so so yeah but it's it's hard to know that you're living an extraordinary experience especially as a child while you're in the the middle of doing it. You're in it. Well, you know, but you know that your life is a little bit different. We were the only six kids in a, in a big, in a big studio filled with grownups all day long. Here's another way to look at it. My dad was a provider.

And he had certain expectations of his wife and my brothers and my mother. One of them was to have dinner on the table at 6 o'clock. So with the shop, with the grocery shopping done. And sometimes we would work. six o'clock and then we're in hollywood and and and have a 50 minute drive home so everyone's sitting around going well well well well well where's dinner oh oh mom's with barry moms with barry oh right and a lot of this hasn't been discussed up front or negotiated beforehand you know it's not like okay this is what's going to happen and this so dinner's going to be late it we're

going to you know adapt to a later like yeah and how do all you feel about that you know It doesn't matter how you feel about it. Yeah, it's going to happen. Wow, that's so interesting. I never looked at that way. You think the girls had similar experiences? I don't think Susan did because Susan was the youngest by a long shot. Well, no, she had an older sister.

But being the youngest meant that I know my older brother probably had less of a problem with my mom not being around at 14 than my 4-year-old brother, you know, my 3-year-old brother who was being raised by my, you know, seven-year-old sister because my dad, you didn't have those skills, you know, nor focus. So he was, I don't know how they survived. I remember, Kurt, you know,

our parents never worked at the same time. They had the privilege to be able to choose and schedule when they worked. And when we got a little bit older, I was about 16, almost 17. And they were like, listen, you know, we can't fix this. one you're just we're not going to be pause going to be working nights you're on your

own and i was like oh too bad so sad yeah cut to like a cut to a full montage which is a montage of cake getting ready with like playing with the boys theme song going on in the background oh my god that's hilarious i wanted to say one thing hold on about this for people who you know i think I think there's sometimes this sort of misconception that when people aren't in the industry or see it from the outside in, that it's not an incredibly time-consuming job when in fact it's like the most unglamorous and time-consuming job when you're on the job. Like when you're on the job, you're working, I mean, obviously you guys were on set, but in other circumstances, you're working in insane places, at insane hours,

sometimes at night, sometimes working through the night. And when you have a family, it really messes with a traditional family dynamic. It's one of the hardest jobs to have to raise a family in. So it's such an interesting perspective to hear it. Here you guys are portraying like this melded family. And then on the flip side of it,

it was probably actually really affecting so many. families um you know obvious the the it's obvious that it does and the obvious becomes a surprise when it should have been obvious to families that you know if you're living in ohio and you want one of your children to be in the industry and you're out here for pilot season it's like and you got other kids it's like who's who's not thinking of what's going on i mean like how does that work i mean so you're dreaming of this child to become a huge success now what if they are No, you're never home, you know. So, and then, you know, so what's the other half?

Is that they're not a success? Why do you want to drive them into that? I just don't get it. I mean, I, you know, there's times for you to go plow the field. How many years were you on the air? Five. Five seasons. Five seasons.

Which is crazy because that's not a lot. It sounds like we were on for 20. Yeah. Well, because the show has always been more successful in the rearview mirror. than it ever was. That's why when you said hit and I don't feel we're in the hit that we now look at the show as because it's done

something since it was in, you know, on Friday nights, on prime time, that very few shows have ever done through the years being watched by as many eyeballs as it has been around

the world repetitively. It's reached a different level of a strategy because of it compounding its success year over year. Also, every few years had a little Brady reminders. We've always been doing reunions. We've been doing specials. We've been doing TV movies, and the movies came out.

We did the variety show almost immediately after the Brady bunch went off. We had a very Brady Christmas. We had the Brady Brides. Very Brady Christmas. Which brings me to this, too, Barry. With all of the singing and the singing numbers, like what was your guy's relationship to that? Was it something you were excited by or was this like a...

Oh, shit, we got to be a son. Okay, but I'll start because, you know, I tell you that I've always loved it and I wanted more and music was part of it. So I was at the cheerleader for getting songs on the Brady bunch, getting choreography, get dressed up and holding microphones, going on concert, doing albums. I was, I mean, it was this to me.

was just like too good, you know, TV and a rock star too. I'm going to find out, I should have checked with everybody else a little bit. Oh, that's funny. I've always been very adept at carrying out other people's plans. Tell me, I'm goal, I'm results oriented. Tell me what, you know, what's the goal? Okay, what's my part in that? Okay, let's do it.

Boom, boom, boom. Well, how, but how convenient you're, You're a cow cell, you're trained in it. I could sing. I could hold my part in three-part harmony, vocal harmony, when I was three years old. Wow. Do you have any phobias, Mike? You have a perfect pitch?

No, but it's pretty close. Yeah. So, Mike, do you have any phobias? You have any phobias whatsoever that you're aware of? Obias. I know where he's going with this. You like heights? No.

I don't have any real You like tight holes I get really uptight about certain things but no no phobias no What do you get uptight about it? He's not biting He's not biting Not biting

What I'm challenging you on Figure out what your phobia is And be asked that that is the thing you have to accomplish Right Oh right Goals oriented Yeah right But if it happens to be you're not

You don't like heights And the goal is to build a building on an eye beam you know, a quarter mile in the air. No, they'd be tortured. Yeah, you'd go along with it. You're living in torture. Or you were living in torture. September always feels like the start of something new,

whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

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Marketing was, or was that a story? No, I don't think it was a Mario. They was probably sure. Was it the writer, you know? The story is in the song. It explains everything in the song. And it had to be, there had to be a way to present the visuals with the song. And your answer is, we don't know.

You don't know. It's so interesting to think, because like something that was so iconic. There's so many iconic moments on the Brady Bunch, but that was such a brilliant, you know, iconic introduction to all of these characters. Well, I think it's kind of, what do they call that, parallel creation or parallel invention, you know, two different evolutions arriving at the same place. Zoom discovered the same thing. that Sherwood and whomever was creating this front end of the Brady Bunch did,

that when you have a cast of nine, how do you present them? And Zoom did the same boxes. They probably, yeah, someone should be getting a cut. Did you guys get along with the girls? Was it a family that way? Yeah, I was in very close with Susan Olson. We both have a real kind of. off-kilter sense of humor.

And for years, for years, we had sort of a mutual endeavor, which was to make the other one laugh. Mm-hmm. To make the other one laugh. One of the benefits maybe in the brilliance of Tony Kellman choosing the Brady Bunch over Courtship of Betty's father of this show for us was that there were other kids there. And it was an environment that Sherwood wanted to make certain was healthy

for these kids because he wanted us to remain kids. Well, the five of us, not Barry. So it was, I mean, of all environments to work in, it wasn't, it wasn't a corrupted one. I mean, I look back on it. My salvation was supplied by having the idea of what a nuclear family is through the show because it wasn't at home. Did anyone get too big for their britches? No, I don't think we could have.

with the amount of parents we had around us. I kind of wrecked that family dynamic when I started dating Maureen, however. Oh, really? Barry, you dated Maureen? Yeah. How did that work? It really didn't work. Maureen's mom couldn't drive, but she had to be with her.

They didn't live too far. So for all five years, we drove in. We drove Maureen in. On occasion, maybe when I had a hole, which was very rare, certainly not on any days that were school. If Susan was working, they didn't live too far. They'd drive in, or Maureen and her mom would drive in with Susan, but mostly with me. And I had those two hours, because then it was about an hour.

We lived in the West Valley to get to the studio and back to listen to Maureen. And I'd already probably, you know, heard from Barry that day about Maureen. So I was this intermediary between their love dance, their attraction, the rappelling. It was just the oddest. Did Barry, were you just like, Barry was just like, all right, you know, I mean, how did that flourish? Well, you start going out and you get a little closer during the photo shoots. And suddenly there's an arm around somebody just as good friends. And then there's the come on over to my house and we'll swim naked.

Let it take a natural course. I so so do you guys have like a is there like a Brady bunch group chat is there like are you guys on one chat no we have we have a podcast and Chris was talking about called the real Brady bros yeah and basically episodic recap so we take an episode each week and we both watch it we take notes we exchange notes and then we get together in a very similar fashion to this and talk about the show and with our perspectives on it now and thought about it. But the most interesting part about it, aside from deepening our own relationship because of that consistency and we're really pulling from our past is we remember things like we're in two completely different situations. The age difference, he can be three years younger than I, and I'll go on about, well, this happened and this happened and go, well, no, this, and he'll come up with a different

story sometimes. And it's fascinating to how we each interpreted our experiences and how, with the hindsight, you know, they can kind of, you know, formulate differences, big differences of opinions. It's fascinating and fun. That's really, you know, that they, obviously, perception is a very interesting topic because most people have very different perceptions. then when you get that in a family dynamic Ollie and I talk about it all the time like I'll have a completely different memory of something. Isn't that amazing?

And relationship with it than he does in the exact same circumstance. I'd like to use as an illustration something came up in this podcast from Michael. He said that, you know, I was too cool for him and, you know, I was busy being, you know, kind of full of myself. I don't have that impression.

Yes, I tried to carry myself as being cool. but I wanted to be an adult. So I was just gravitating away. I was hanging out with the people that were hanging the lights or running the camera. I was trying to talk to the director. I hung with Robert Reed a lot because he was an actor. And Florence, because she had the musical side. And that's just where my attention went.

So I really didn't have time for like an eight-year-old or a nine-year-old. And so I can see how that would affect him now. but at the time I didn't think anything of it and I certainly wasn't you know it just it just wasn't in my radar. I would like to point out how our family dynamic which developed over the years has continued over the decades when upon being invited onto their podcast I assume that my role was to come on and goof around and just you know just goof off because that's that's kind of been like my place and so I listened to their podcast

and I thought to myself man these guys are these guys are serious they're taking this very seriously this is a real nuts and bolts analysis of this episode with all the historical perspective and so

upon upon learning that you're not at all like Bobby Bobby was succinct I I upon upon realizing

that these guys were taking this very seriously I figured my role was to come in and goof around even more right and that's

and that's what I did these guys need a little levity in their life did what was it like after the show ended you know I mean

was it bittersweet was it sad what was the experience from coming off a show that became so iconic and probably was in the moment. A quick story on this that happened. For five years, we're driving on to the lot. We have our own parking spots. We got our own dressing rooms.

We have home, which was our soundstage, five at Paramount. And I got noticed that we were canceled on a Friday. On Monday, I drove to the lot to pick up the things out of my dressing room. And I was stopped by the same guard, Fritz, that I saw. every morning. Good morning, Fritz. I said, good morning, Fritz. And he said, hey, Barry, what are you doing? I said, well, I'm going into clear out my dressing room. He says, oh, do you have a drive on pass? God. I said, no. And he said, okay, we'll pull over there and I'll call and see if I can, you know, get your one, which he did. Then he directed me to some other place on a lot that was way too far to carry things. So I went to my

parking space. And I got to my parking space, and between Friday and Monday morning at 9 o'clock, it had been painted over and it had a new name on it. And I went, oh, oh, so we've been canceled, canceled. And I felt canceled. And that was my reaction to it. Yeah. I mean, there's two different, there's two different reality. I mean, certainly as the show was going on, it was losing its,

its ability to connect, you know, in a real organic or honest kind of way. I mean, it mostly fit for a 12, 13 year old kind of psyche. and as you're now pushing 17, it was harder to connect with what was on the page. And you could imagine that, okay, this isn't going to change. This is probably, it's probably time to leave. We all had five-year contracts. So there was some expectation on my part that it probably would get canceled. So when it was, maybe that was just me anticipating properly and helped me prepare for that.

But there was, you know, so I was happy because I was in the middle of school and wanted to continue my. my school, and the one thing we couldn't get in those three hours a day is any kind of lab classes. And it was science and there was no labs for me until I could get back to my high school. So I got that in. I mean, it was good timing. It was perfect time. It was last minute timing for me. But then what, it took me a couple of years after that in trying to find my new place in the world to realize what I had as a home that wasn't there anymore.

Interesting. It wasn't immediate. Chris pointed out earlier that our show really didn't become like that American iconic touchstone that it did until we were in syndication for years

and so as soon as the show's canceled we start looking for new work I got the job on the towering inferno within a couple of weeks and we filmed the Towering Inferno that entire summer that would have been season six of the Brady Bunch so I had a job at 20th Century Fox

doing something insanely completely different that was Erwin Allen was directed that movie it was awesome Paul Newman carried me out I got to tell you guys great Kurt Russell used to come to my house in San Pedro he was playing baseball No, my little brother was in a series with him. I think my brother played his nephew in the New Land.

You remember a series called The New Land? No, he's done so many of those series. Yeah, well, he'd come in his El Camino and do push-ups in the living room with my brother sitting on his back. And I remember, I remember my mother was quick to point out that the entire passenger compartment of his blue El Camino was filled with empty. beer cans. I didn't even know Paul had him El Camino. Oh, I did. Oh, I for sure did.

Like, he's always talked to us. Oh, yeah. That's amazing. So thanks for letting me, thanks for letting. That's our one degree of separation. I love that. Well, listen, we're not going to keep you longer, but we love to do our rapid fire. And I have to start with a couple of them because I have, you know, I'm, Barry, I'm going to

start with you because I know you did dancing with the stars. And what was your favorite dance? The tango. It's a great dance. And it's very moody and it's very dramatic. If you don't know, or people that don't understand the roles of the dance, the male is typically the Matador, the Toriador, and the woman plays sometimes the cape, sometimes the bull, and then sometimes the object of desire.

It was fabulous. Are you still dancing? Oh, yes. In fact, I've booked a cruise for my birthday next year. It would be my 70th birthday that I know in the Greek Isles, starts in Athens and goes over to Spain, and it has a dance floor on it. my wife and I do routines and go out there and

tear it up. I love it. Okay, next one I want from each of you, you had some amazing guest stars on the Brady Bench. Who was the guest star that you were most excited about? Joan Ameth. Deacon Jones. Vincent Price.

I mean, it's crazy how many people were on this show. Yeah. And all three of those are so awesome. Wow. Joe name it. That's pretty rad. Oh, name it. Pretty cool. Paul Winchell was cool, too. Wow.

Paul Winchell helped invent the artificial art for crying out loud. He's like an inventor as well. If you could swap lives with one of your siblings on the Brady bunch, what would it be if you had to? Not if you wanted to, but if you had... Including all siblings.

All siblings. Girls, all of all. If you were like... Marcia made for sure because she always gets more. Just as siblings, not other cast members. No, just the siblings. Well, no, just as siblings. I'll do Maureen just so I can figure it out. Man, you got me on that one, Kate.

I don't know. I wouldn't trade. That's my answer. Got a trade. You got a trade. I love it. Then it's a, then it's a, it's three for three, Maureen McCormick.

Yeah. I'm not even going to say why. I don't know. I guess that. Oh, Maureen. Oh, Maureen. But only, but only like, you know, half a day. Yeah, that would be enough to figure it out.

If you could do one really amazing thing with the cast, and anything, what would it be? Are we talking a project or just to go go fishing? Yeah, anything. Updated a series that is current sensibilities. I like it. Doing the HDTV project was pretty remarkable. I mean, because, you know, we got to all participate and take something that was never real and make it real.

and the house itself turns out to be one of the characters that we all recall remember and I mean it's timeless for a house that was from the late 60s I mean so I don't we might have already done the project that yeah I was going to say you're saying we've already done it right

yeah I think well the number one question that I've been asked by just random people over the years is do you still keep in touch with the other the other people you know it's a perfectly valid question people are interested the answer is yes and and i would just say i'd you know like that to to uh continue yay yeah i'll think about it your band i want to hear your dead we're the pranksters you can live stream pranksters okay great we actually don't suck we're not we're not we're not

I wouldn't think you did. Thank you, guys. This has been really, really fun. So much fun. I'm grateful that you came on and to meet you is wonderful. So thank you for you. Thank you, guys. Thanks, Oliver.

Thank you, Jay. Thank you. We'll see again sometime. Bye now. We'll see you, boys. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment.

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