Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Breaking News & Sharing Views with Dana Bash

Episode Date: December 9, 2024

Renowned News Anchor, Dana Bash is known for asking the tough questions as one of CNN's top broadcasters, but who knew her talent for television ran deep in her blood. From the days on the set of her dad’s show "Nightline" to her playful brawls with her little brother, David, Dana shares how her family helped her feel 'anchored' as she pursued her dreams. In this episode, she is joined by her little brother who lovingly supports (and sometimes produces his big sister) from afar.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life.

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on the I-HeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last night. Lisa Pike

Listen to Unrestorable Season 2 Proof of Life On the IHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts Hi, I'm Kate Hudson And my name is Oliver Hudson We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship

And would it's like to be siblings We are A Sibling Ravory No, no Sibling Ravory Don't do that with your mouth Sibling Ravory

That's good Yeah so Oliver Hudson here Doing another episode of A Sibling revelry. We're getting close to the holidays. Christmas is on its way. I love Christmas, man. Very, very big into Christmas. It's been a, you know, Christmas has been a very important tradition for my family. I don't know, I've probably talked about it before, but, you know, Santa's been a big deal for us. I don't know when this show is actually coming out, but it's

close enough to Christmas. Santa's been a very big deal for us. Ever since Kurt came into our lives, six years old, because with his family, Santa's been everything. So he brought that into our family. And I remember the first Christmas that we had in Colorado. We were little kids. And we wake up in the morning and, you know, paw, my dad, Kurt, pa, dad, pa, Kurt, whatever you want to say. The man who raised me, the man who made me, the incredible man that I am today. He had a place in Colorado, and we were there, and we wake up, and he goes, oh, my God, you guys, you're never going to believe what I just saw. And we run up on the side of this hill, and you can get on the roof, because it was like built into the hill. And on the roof were sled tracks that had flown off of the roof.

There was a bell that said blitzin on it that had a leather old, you know, bellows, collar, it was on the ground, and there was a present that was stuck in the chimney. And it was just awe inspired. We were, we were floored. We couldn't believe what we had just seen. And we opened up the present. It was actually interesting. It was a, it was a little jumper.

It was like a little baby jumper, you know, a boy, a blue little onesie thing. And it was just like almost, it was just so detail. And that set it off, you know. And then each year, you know, it just keeps getting bigger, bigger, and better. And now there's this actual Santa. One of us has to play Santa. And now I think it's my turn because my kids are now of age and they no longer believe, although I still believe in Santa Claus.

Let's just keep this clear. So read the night before Christmas and, you know, Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night. and then boom, all of the bells and everyone runs to the window and out in the distance you see Santa running in the snow with a big sack and he's just sort of beyond the lights

you're like, holy shit, it's him. I mean, it was so real looking and every year someone played Santa. And now it's going to be my turn but man, do I have some funny stories about the Santa game which, God, I want to tell them, but I think this intro is getting a little long.

Shit. Anyway, I'll save it. I'll save it for another episode. How about that? Because this is very, this is exciting. This is very exciting for me. Their next guests.

These, well, Dana. First of all, Dana Bash is coming on. And I think it goes about saying that she has CNN, And journalist. She's a journalist. She's an anchor. She's a host of Inside Politics. What a fun time to have her on, given that the election was only a few weeks ago. And then her brother, Dave, and we're going to talk all. We're going to talk siblings. We're going to talk politics. We're going to talk about it all. I have some questions. And hopefully they answer them. hopefully anyway without further ado bring on the bashes the Schwartz is in the bashes the Schwartz's Schwartz bass Schwartz we did it hi so good to see you guys so good to see you this is fun I'm so happy you guys are both on thanks for having us on I want you to know that I am an early listener like I think I'm

like an OG. Oh my gosh. Sibling revelry, yes. Amazing. Amazing. I can't even believe that. Like I first learned about the foster sisters from you guys. Wow, that was early, early.

I know. Wow, I feel honored. I know. I'm telling you. Well, you are in your office. When do you go on? Are you working tonight? I worked already.

show is on it, you're West Coast, right? Yeah, so it was on at 9 a.m. You don't do the later shows too? New, yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes. Okay.

What a world you're in right now. Fucking crazy. I talked to her every day and I just dumbfounded the fact that she's in the middle of all this. You know, she's grounded by all this. but you know she's always said that she's you do and it's exciting no matter what it's exciting you know we'll get into all that shit but i want to get into i want to get into your life and your

childhood and where you grew up and you guys are the only siblings okay right okay so let's just paint a nice sort of bob ross picture of of uh where it all went down so we our parents met in they're from Chicago met in the local ABC affiliate in Chicago they were both working in news and they had a whirlwind romance six months later they were engaged my dad got a job with the network in New York and my mom said okay I'm coming with you, and he said, okay, I guess we're getting married. So it was really romantic. So they got married.

Pretty much of story for most of their lives. This is practical. Yeah, practical. Like, okay, we're, you know, late 60s. And then moved to New York and I was born. And then we moved to New Jersey and he was born two and a half years later. I was doing, I just finished Happy Gilmore, too. yeah

oh wow that's amazing so I was living in short hills I was staying in short hills Jersey I was staying in short hills I was staying in short hills I was at the short hill for about a month yeah

but I was it was very sexy I will say the bartender was really fantastic but anyway I would go to the shore though any chance I could get to fish because I love to fish so I would and it was beautiful I mean there's no tourism there at the time it was just awesome yeah I don't know why Jersey gets a bad rap it was beautiful the leaves were changing my family was living in the city at the time I'm like I'm not fucking going to the

city I love you Kate but like I want to stay here yeah it gets a bad rap because you land and if you land in Newark forget about it that's why yeah surrounded by factories and that's it And it smells. But it's actually the garden state, most of the state, like where we grew up was farmland before. I mean, now it's all like suburb and everything. But it was farmland. You see, moved to New Jersey and that's where you were born. Yeah.

Yeah, we were lucky. I was born in. So the trajectory is we were born at Angle. I was born in Englewood. And then when I was two and she was four and a half, we moved to D.C. or just outside D.C. in McQueen, Virginia, because my dad got a job working at the ABC Bureau. And we were there for eight years, eight or nine years, I think.

And then he got called back to New York. So we moved back to Jersey when she was almost in high school and I was in fifth grade. It was in middle school, yeah. You were in middle school. Yeah. And then she went to high school in Jersey. I had in middle school in high school in Jersey. And then she went back down for college.

So she's been in D.C. much more than she's been in Jersey. She calls herself a Jersey girl, but I'm throwing a huge flag on that. I feel like in 2024, you should be what you identify as. This is true. And I definitely identify as a Jersey girl, for sure.

I mean, you can't see, but I've got my Bruce on the wall. It also separates you from the D.C. world that you live in. So even from a psychological place, Yes. You know, you're, you're almost individuating from the news in a sense saying, no, fuck that. I'm a Jersey girl.

Yeah. Totally. And you got to meet the ball. Oh, you did. Yeah, I got to meet him. Oh, my God. Have you ever? I was so not cool, Oliver.

I mean, I was like the opposite of cool. I was so dork. I literally, I just, I lost my ability to inhale oxygen. And he's so cool. I couldn't do it. I was... He's so cool. Have you met him?

I'm a huge Howard Stern fan. So, which would an amazing interview. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, watching, I think it was on Max, but it was... By the way, do you not, for me, like, I, if I could be an interviewer like Howard Stern one day, it would be so... He is the best because, you know, he's so different than he was however many years ago, you know. But he is still the same. guy who can, you know, have the month of Cocktober, yeah.

He's got, he's got, he literally, he does like some cock bit and then the next guest is Joe Biden, you know, I mean, who, who, who can do that? That's the same thing, Dana. So Dana, every Wednesday, does the same exact thing on inside politics. Dana should do her own Cocktober. Pitching that to the top for us. Like, hey, guys, I got an idea. Yeah, seriously.

Listen, we're trying to stem the tide away from cable, from cord cutters. So you met the boss. Were you able to get words out? Eventually. A little. Yeah. And I was with my son, who's 13. Springsteen was so nice.

He, like, gave him one of his guitar picks. I was like, of course, I immediately took it from him. I was like, you were not losing this. And so then the dynamic, you know, two and a half years, basically, just like myself and my sister. I'm the older one, though. Was it good? Did you guys love each other? Was it battles, you know?

Because with Katie and I, I do not like, let's just be straight up. She bothered me, you know. I guess I put on rose color glasses because the other day I was like we didn't really fight when we were kids do we and she looked at me and she goes, are you insane? We're always fighting. But it was really, it was a one-way street for most of our childhood where she would abuse me. Things like spinning me around until I threw up. She would lock me out of the house. One time she locked me out of the house and we had like glass window panes in our door.

I got so hard to put my fist through the glass Yeah I got in a little bit trouble A little bit trouble for that one And I think when I was 12 or 13 years old I realized I figured out that I was I was stronger than she was I got to figure that out

And there was very one specific time We were in Jersey and she was abusing me Like she normally would Went to a rage And I like jumped over the couch She started wailing on the back Whaling on her Right

Yeah, that was a smooth sailing from there on out. It was smooth sailing. Did you from now? But did you, you guys did, like, you didn't let her hang out with your friends, right? It's kind of a funny situation because she wanted to be a part of my life so badly. And I just wanted nothing to do with her. She would literally hang on my door knob when my friends were over. I'm like, Kate, you just get out of here, you know.

So the answer is no. And then I went to college. came back for a break and the tables were turned because all of her girlfriends were cute and I'm like, Kate, like, what are you guys doing? You know, what was happening? And she's like, all of her like, get out of here, you know. Only, you know, I mean, obviously in the last 10 years, of course, we've become very, very tight. But it took a minute, you know. I mean, it really did. I think that because we were sort of a product of divorce and I was sort of just trying to, as a six-year-old self, navigate whatever that.

meant, you know, for me emotionally. I probably had no idea what my feelings were other than just survival. I didn't have the capacity to be a good brother or a big brother or to even give Kate the love that she needed when I was the man in her life that she was looking for to sort of comfort her. I'm talking pure psychology here, but, you know, and she just wanted me to love her and be a part of her life and to essentially, you know, be friends and hold her and be her bigger brother. And I just couldn't do it. You know, I just couldn't do it. And then, you know, that sort of had its effects. And then, you know, she got married and she got famous and she was off being fabulous and, you know, it's just passing ships. And then eventually, you know, you get a little

bit older and realize how important that sibling relationship is. And then you have to nurture it like any other relationship, you know. And then we started this show four or five years ago, and that really, honestly, our relationship took off. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll

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So, like, it's not like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear. Well, 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

A new podcast called Wisecrack, where Stan up comedy and murder take center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a tape recorder statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of a Colleen slimmer. She started going off on me and I hit her.

I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. please state your first and last name

Krista Pike Listen to Unrestorable Season 2 Proof of Life On the IHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts You get your podcasts Do you guys fight as adults?

Do you guys fight as adults still? Yeah, but it's quick But it's like We can be, I don't know, I'm sure you guys are like this too. Like, we can kind of explode on another, the way you can't with any other people. And then it's over. But what could you possibly fight about now? Oh.

Like little bullshit? Yeah. It's bullshit. It's bullshit. It's logistical stuff. It's how come you weren't here are there or, you know, what are we doing now? You know, it's just, you're just bullshit. I love that. Broad.

What are we doing now? like what do you mean like in life exactly right right but yeah literally it's like what are we having for dinner and then and then we start yelling at each other about nothing and then it's over i think you met spencer garrett who's yeah yeah i love my guy and he and he he says he's like oh my god the way you and david talk to each other it's like i can't believe that you guys are still so close And I was like, what do you mean? I don't even see it or hear it. It's like your brother-sister love language, essentially, you know?

Or did you guys grow up in like a liberal, not politically, but just a liberal family meaning like go out and play. There's no rules. You can be whatever the hell you want to be. There's no restrictions. We were the quintessential in 1980s, Lashka kids. 100%. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

I mean, you know, my dad worked a lot of hours. so we saw him when we could see him. My mom also worked. She was a journalist as well, but she never made it a career out of being a journalist. So she had, kind of the nine to five jobs, but, you know, they go home at six o'clock. And, you know, our house was kind of the house

that friends came over to and, you know. Stuff happened. Stuff happened there, for sure. But even when we were little, I mean, we literally had like the key. I don't know if I had it actually hanging around my, neck, but pretty darn close. Yeah.

It was, it was get on your bike, and what's the best? You had dust for dinner. It's just informs who you are now, and I don't know you guys. Hopefully we become great friends, but, you know, I'm sure you wouldn't be the humans you are today without that kind of freedom and that, that independence. And, you know, Danny, do you have a, Dan, you got a 13-year-old, but do you have any, do you have any children? I do have a nine-year-old daughter.

I got 17, 14, 11, a little bit old. older, but we live now in a world where there's so much fear around letting our kids sort of just roam and be free, even though, you know, crime isn't nearly as bad as it was when we were kids. And now there's devices so you can track them all the time. But there is this sort of lack of that independence and freedom that I try to give to my kids. And that's my wife and I kind of not fight about, but she's a little bit more like, but what if they get hit by a car? I'm like, I mean, Yeah, but what are we going to do? Just keep him here.

Let them, let them be free. Let them roam. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's, so my son, we love stranger things. And that's the thing Lisa.

He's like, was it really like that? Like, you just get on your bike and you go. And I said, that's exactly what it was like. Right? Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. He's like, oh, I wish I grew up in the 80s. And it's also like the devoutes are just are killing them too, you know?

we didn't you know what do we have in television Atari yeah but I did I mean I was the latchkey kid I don't know I mean I'm sure your parents were yeah were were we were they were home probably traveled with them too so you know I mean I was brought up by Carol and Mike Brady yeah illigans you know Gilligan I'm Gilligan Island and Fantasy Island oh yeah did you watch a lot of TV yeah so my favorite show was Wonder Woman because I was in love you know with Linda Carter and oh and I didn't understand like two

dimension three dimensions you know so young and she would always wear her Wonder Woman outfit and I would go up to the TV like this to try to look down her into her breasts I distinctively remember being like how do I see more and I used to like put my forehead

on the TV to see if I could see down oh my God Yes, so that that's probably indicative of who I am now, unfortunately. But, you know, but yeah, I grew up on, I grew up, you know, loving TV, watching TV. But at the same time, I was an outdoor kid, you know, and with the kids, with my kids today, I'm not not going to deny them technology, you know. I mean, it is what it is. This is the world that we live in right now.

I mean, to completely cut them off of it to me is almost a disservice. It's more about a balance, you know. It's a balance. And I'm not even restrictive. I'm not like, you can only do such and such and such. It's like, hey, what am I going to do? You know, I don't want to, as long as you're outside and you're on your motorcycle or you're out playing or you're doing whatever you're doing, all right.

You know? Yeah, in Colorado, they all ride motorcycles. And my 14-year-old has, it's an E-motor cycle. It's called a Suron. And they're all our age right now. You have to be 16, but he's 14. Anyway, he's doing these crazy... No, this is in L.A.

He's... Oh, he's doing crazy. Like, weas in our neighborhood. I mean, he's a really amazing rider. And then he goes, he's like, hey, Dad, can I go on a ride-out? I'm like, what the hell is a ride-out? And he goes, we get dropped off at a certain place. And I was working, and my wife was like, I think I'm taking him to a ride-out.

And he goes and puts the bike in the back of my truck, and they drop him off in like Marina del Rey. I get video sent to me it's a pack of like 70 kids going down the main streets like all wheelying and shit and they're like in Century City then they're in Marinadaledale they're going all over like Bodie

like Bodie like Bodie what the hell man like you're 14 like rolling all around LA and the pack of like seven see that in New York now too it's common whether it's going down like Madison Avenue It's a thing.

It's a thing. Oh, yeah. You see it all the time. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I know. I know.

So then watch, Anna, for you to watch your parents obviously do what they did, I mean, obviously an inspiration, right? I mean, we all kind of do what our parents do. No. I know. Well, that's the thing, is that I swore I would never do. Did you feel like that? I swore because he was, I mean. I guess, obviously, somewhere.

Yeah, I'm looking at school. But the whole idea of like we would go on vacation and then there was some, there was a time when the Pope died like three times. Pops kept dying. Multiple Pope. Because we had a death epidemic. Yes. It was.

It was. And then we kept having to come home from the beach. I was like, your job. sucks. I'll never do this. I'll never do this to my kids. And then cut to this past summer, I'm on a beach vacation with my son. Kamala Harris, his team calls me. Like, do you want the first interview with the vice president? Okay. And I literally said to Joan, I'm like, I think I have to leave. He's like, okay, that sounds like a good opportunity. He was way cooler than I was. You know, he would take us into, my dad would take us into work. You know, he was one of the original

producers on nightline. So it was live at 11.30. So there was, well, he was, at night, we didn't see him a lot. So on Friday nights, he would take us into work and we would be in the back of the control room, you know, five years old. I'd fall asleep because it was 1130 at night. Before that, we were wreak havoc all over the, all over the bureau. Like, stop his couch.

Yeah, I'd be like stapling my thumb in the middle of the news brief. Get the shorts, get out of the newsroom. But, you know, I would fall asleep and she obviously was paying attention to what was happening, you know, so. I suddenly, I just eventually realized that I don't really have skills to do anything else. It's just like that's what's in my DNA. Right. You have to. I do.

I mean, every time I watch you guys on television, I can't imagine the work that goes into what you guys do day in and day out, just from a pure voluble. standpoint and a retention standpoint and a reading standpoint. Everyone knows everything. All the guys know everything. I mean, I, you know, I work to live. I don't live to work. You know what I'm saying? Which is probably detrimental to me, you know? I probably could be further along in my career, even though I'm happy. But, you know, I, I'm like, God damn. I'm like, do they ever get a break to do anything fun? It's hard. Sometimes is the answer. Sometimes. Sometimes. I mean, obviously, election years are brutal. But it's definitely all-consuming.

We were talking about technology. I mean, the thing about technology, certainly. I mean, I've been at CNN for 31 years, like almost literally before the Internet. And so now that we can do everything on our phone, not just like communicate or do Zoom or whatever, but like I can be in touch with anybody at any time. I mean, we all feel like this, but it's even more for a 24-7 job, it really, it really does free me up. I can't check mentally and emotionally, but I can, you know, physically be gone. did you know i mean yes not acting you know i wanted to make movies so it was in the same sort of world my sister came out of the womb like singing and dancing for the most part yeah which annoyed

the shit out of me uh but i wanted to make movies so while she was doing plays i every weekend with my best friend and now still my producing partner now we made movies you know we had squibs and blank gun. I mean, back then in the 80s, you know, you can mail order a gun that had blanks in it, like a real 9mm burretta with blanks. And we're like, man, no one checked the idea. It was just kind of like, oh, I mean, we did the craziest shit, but we made movies. And I went to college for a couple years, you know, that wasn't really my thing. And I just started to act because my family did it and I needed to figure out to make money and it seemed to work. You know, now as I'm getting older, it's become still an actor, no doubt, but I've got a production

company and, you know, I'm sort of wanting to do more creative things. You know, acting can be kind of limiting, you know, because you're at the mercy of money essentially and supporting a family and not necessarily doing the things that are inspiring you in any way. And the way to sort of combat that or compliment that is to have, you know, your own projects. And you're also not beholden to the big studio anymore because everything is so much more democratic. You can, you can have a company and don't need a humongous studio behind you. I know. And, you know, this is my first year with a deal. I have a deal at Fox. And it's been really, really fun. I mean, it's been a blast, you know, to have an actual place to take gigs,

you know, to take ideas and to watch them sort of blossom into something. So it's been, it's been fun, you know, it's been fun. So I guess to answer your question, yes, it's all my kids want to do it. I mean, all of Kate's kids want to do it, it's just kind of there. I don't know what else anyone's going to do. Is Jonah, Jonah doesn't, does he talk about doing it? Like sports. He wants to do it's like sports version of their podcast.

or sports and then Dave for you like you know first of all Dan and when did you have that moment of like you know what I guess this is who I am I mean this is what I want to do and and did it come with passion or was it kind of like you're just like this is my destiny I came to GW to school here in Washington and I tried a lot of different things with internships and I could because I was in a city that allowed for it. So I got a little bit of the political bug, which I never had before. I mean, our father always jokes that he's pretty confident. I graduated high school without knowing that there are three branches of government.

Like, I was, I liked a party in high school. Let's just leave it. I refer you back to the 80s. 1980s, New Jersey. Yeah.

So I got more serious and I did internships slash sort of volunteer gigs on Capitol Hill at the White House. I did, I thought about maybe law school. I thought about going into politics. And then once I was doing those internships, I realized that I'm not passionate on one side of the aisle or another or about a political philosophy or another

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This is a tape recorder statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike. This is in regards to the death of a Colleen Slimmer. She started going off on me, and I hit her. I just hit her, I'm hit her, I'm here. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee.

Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove this? that they deserve to live. We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name.

Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then for you, you know, finding your path, you're still, you know, it's a, it's a cousin, what you do. I mean, you know, we're all in media, right? Yes.

Yes. Yeah, for me, it was, I think it was a little more straightforward for me. I went to school. I went to Newhouse School in Syracuse to study television and film production. And, you know, my first job out of school, actually, I worked for a talent agency. And we represented newscasters and sportscasters, entertainment hosts. And it was just, it was so easy for me because this is kind of, I grew up like our dinners at home revolved around the 6.30 evening news. Just grew up watching these guys and paying attention to these people.

So it was like, it was an easy field for me to kind of stumble into. But then I worked for news and I didn't like that at all. And I said, you know what, I want to do more production. And I knew there was a world of like, well, corporations need video. Let's do that. And I worked for a company that did that left there and then started my own company. Now it's been 15, 16 plus years that I've had pressure. And it's great.

And I love it. And I still feel, you know, our evening dinner still revolve around talking politics, really, in our household. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, if you don't, if you're not up on your current events, there's nothing to talk about if the four of us are together. Oh, really? For sure. Not in my house. in your house.

My house will rolls around Fuller House. I think I have an eating conversation. No, I know. It's kind of like when you have family dinners, it's like, okay, I got to brush up, you know, I mean, to make sure that I'm current. Oh, yeah. But he's, David's more creative. I mean, you've got the creative production side and I'm more of the, like, I mean,

I need a modicum of creativity for like when I'm going out and shooting pieces. It's not. But it's like, in my mind, how was this? going to look. How are we going to, how am I going to write this piece? How much writing is there for you, Dan? I like a lot. A lot. What you're reading, what you're reading, what's on your prompter, are you

writing that? So, no, I don't do the, well, honestly, it just depends. For the most part, we have people, I have show team in each producer kind of writes a segment, but I have a pretty heavy hand and

and change things. Sometimes, though, oftentimes when I'm in the chair and something's happening, I don't have the ability to do that. So they'll write something. And if I'm not like crazy about it, I'll just at live it and kind of ignore what's in the teleprompter. Do you have to be tough to do what you do? Do you have to say, hey, guys, to a producer, like, this fucking sucks. I'm sorry. like we're this is I can't baby you I mean is there that sort of some people are like that I don't that's generally not my style um I think she's tough but she has a gentle hand in her toughness you're definitely tough I'm tough but I yeah I mean sometimes I'll just like go in and usually I'll go in and change it and then I'll have a conversation like hey you know for this is my

thing, a minor thing, but I don't know if you've noticed this, but a lot of people who are in my business, they just act as if the verb to be doesn't exist. And everything is an ink. Today, campaigning, da-da-da-da. They are, no, it's okay. I mean, they're, so I just have, I have little pet peeves that other people don't. But separate from that, I, when I do, I mean, I came up as a producer and then as a reporter where I wrote all my own, you write all your own pieces. And it is about sort of creativity because you know that you have, I think if it's done right, you have sound bites of people who you want to get out there.

You have pictures. You have natural sound to the pictures. And so writing to the pictures and the sound in a way to put it all together. So it's edited together to tell a story is actually it's one of the things that I love to do. Well, there's the creativity right there. Yeah. And the fact that she came up through CNN being a PA, being a desk assistant, being a writer, being a system producer, associate producer. You were a PA.

oh yeah she started in the tape library she was fetching tape 31 years ago yeah wow which doesn't exist anymore when was your do you remember both of you do you know your sister and then you dana do you remember that break we were like holy shit here's my shot as a brother being like oh my god here's my sister on on tv fucking doing it so before i got to that fucking doing it I was still behind the scenes on Capitol Hill. I was a Senate producer and I was there on 9-11 in the Capitol and that's a whole different story or going into Capitol. So in the aftermath of 9-11, there was just, you know, a lot of reporting to be had. And I broke, it was one of the first big stories that I broke.

And it was that in a classified briefing after the attacks, people in the intelligence community told Senate Intel Committee that the NSA had actually received a message that they didn't translate. They received it on 9-10. They didn't translate it until 9-12. And it said the match is happening tomorrow. Tomorrow is game day, tomorrow is zero hour. So, yeah, you know, had they had, even if they translated it, I don't know, I imagined planes going into towers. But, and so that was a big deal. And that was, I didn't do it on camera because I wasn't on air. So an on-air reporter did it.

ended up winning an award for that and broke a few other stories. And they were like, hey, do you want to maybe try being the White House correspondent? It was like the number three. Nothing like starting out at the White House. Yeah. And I knew enough to know that it was like really scary. And I think the headline was CNN throws bash at the White House or throws a bash at the White House. Yeah. So I started at the White House in 2002. George W. Bush was president. And And so I was there at the end of 2002 and then beginning of 2003, it was a run-up to the Iraq War. So it was, I mean, it was rock. I don't recommend the first live shot you do to be on the White House lawn.

Wow. That was your first live shot. Very first. Yeah, I was like, physically nauseous. I was so scared. Oh, my God. Absolutely. And now there are a lot more people who come from either behind.

the scene from print onto TV. Back then, it was really a pipeline. For the most part, you started in local news at a really small market. You got to a bigger market, a bigger market, a bigger market. And then you ended up at a network or cable. And that was after you got all these reps where you have a good sense of the performance of it or a feeling of it. And, you know, I was behind the scenes doing it, producing reporters, but never actually. When you're doing those, is there?

they're cue cards or you just have a memorization thing like such a when you when you hear them ripping shit off we're like wow that's impressive yeah no it's there's no cue cards it's it's just what you know and what you're old and Dave did you watch that did you see that I mean were you how supportive were you guys also always supportive of each other yeah oh my yes very supportive I believe I actually cut her resume tape when she wanted to be a an on-air reporter Oh, right. What I thought I wanted to do it and then I didn't. This is a check card. It was rough.

It was rough. I did my best to make her look as good as possible. Of course. It's on a beta tape in my office. I think we need to transfer that. Yeah, it's very supportive. Still, you know, it took me at least a year or two to not freak out. every time I saw her on. Like, oh, my God. Yeah.

Exactly. Of course, as it went on, and I, you know, I less so. And now, um, now he doesn't give a show. Now she'll, like, text me at 1115. I'm like, aren't you on the TV right now? Like, what are you doing? Text. She's more comfortable.

She'll break. Right. But, uh, you know, very supportive, you know, and it also, of course, helps that, you know, I grew up in the household that I grew up in. So when, when she does an interview that I have. have a couple comments on, I'll talk to her about it and I'll send her text about it, you know.

Yeah. Like, your lighting sucks. So I think give her a lot of her, I do give her a lot of production notes. Actually, on the Wallace Harris interview, I'm like,

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why is he so big? I was like, he was, like, powering over. I'm like, what is happening in that room? Wasn't there all kinds of shit made of that? The whole way it was set up and on a desk and she was hunched over and he was twice a sign.

We'll say our production, CNN's production team, they know what they're doing. There was a bit of a struggle with Harris's advance team. I'll just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I don't want to keep you guys too long, but we got to get, I just want to get into the state of the world a little bit. You know, obviously, we don't want to get deep into it all because, you know, it is what it is. And it's, it's, the country is spoken.

There's no fucking doubt about that. even going back a little bit further forget about just you know the political landscape today 31 years ago as far as media goes like how much have you seen it change from when you started to what it is now oh my yeah it's like vastly different it's so many ways changed more that it has stayed the same honestly when i started at cnn ted turner who of course founded cnn it was still his company. He hadn't sold it to AOL and then Time Warner and then Warner Media and all that. Like it was still a very rudimentary company and relatively small and it was sort of scrappy and all of that. And it was before Fox News. It was before MSNBC and obviously it was before the Internet

and then smartphones and everything else. So I saw a huge transformation in terms of competition, in terms of more importantly, the way we communicate. I mean, Ted Turner used to say the news is the star. And it was just like today on CNN, very dry and not a lot of personality, which was his intent, again, because it was like it was us or C-SPAN or soap operas, and that was it. So it's changed dramatically. Yeah, no, I'm sure, but I'm wondering if that competition, you know, for ratings has sort of diluted the idea of what news is supposed to be because

now we're searching for ratings a ton of opinion people and it's just about being as loud as you can fucking be so you can win rather than just sort of delivering the news you know and

obviously for me we're living in this world of like what is a fact I guess nowadays but there is fact obviously we live in the real world where whatever happened actually did the way it did but it's impossible to sort of trust anything, I guess, anymore.

And what do you attribute that to? You know what I mean? Like misinformation has been going on for a while, but why all of a sudden has it just blown up? There are lots of reasons. Number one, it's easier to transmit misinformation. You get it in your pocket on your phone. and the algorithms, if you watch one thing that is about, let's just say, the election being stolen, then the algorithm will push other people to you.

So you think that is the truth, because that's all you're getting on your phone, on your social media feed, and so forth. Do you feel like media is skewed in one direction or another? I'm not talking about CNN. I'm just generally, just because of ratings, because of opinion shows. Like, how do you square that? It's fractured. It's skewed in a lot of different directions, and it's fractured. So, like, you talked about facts.

In my dreams, I'm giving the facts, and I'm giving objective information, and people are there and they're listening to it. and then they make up their own mind. But because of what we were just talking about, not only on people's phones, which is primarily how they're getting information, which is causing the whole media infrastructure to shift, including and especially cable news,

which is what I've been doing for more than 30 years, it's harder to get people to want to listen to objective news. And I do think that, you know, you were talking about the ratings. I do think that you can be interesting and fact-based at the same time. You don't have to scream and yell. You don't have to be outrageous. It's a challenge, but I think it's possible.

And I think that we need to strive to do more of that and to do better to attract people. Because look, I mean, what do people want to do? They want to look at a clip that somebody sends them or look at a clip that shows up on their feed. and but at the same time people are more and more investing hours listening to podcasts like yours listening to longer podcasts like Joe Rogan so it goes back and forth to it's finding that that sweet spot and when you when she always says when she posts a video on online or on Instagram and when she's getting attack from the left and getting attack from the right she did something well yeah yeah yeah and I think that's what makes her not

to toot her own horn, because she's just toot her own horn. But she's really, she's really straight. And she plays it down the middle. And I think that that's what makes her really, a really good journalist and a really good reporter is that she does give it to both sides. And I think people see that. And it's hard for people to see that nowadays. But you know, what's interesting, though, is like, even though we are telling the news straight, I think we have, it's okay to not necessarily have a verbal opinion, you know, I mean, but it is, you can see an emotional opinion. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, instead of straight news, there is, you can see whoever is reporting, you can feel where they lean just based on, you know, that feeling that they have,

that energy that is put out, you know, and that is something that is human. And so it's fun to watch, but I wonder if that is something that, you know, takes away from sort of that straight down the middle, I'm just telling you the news. Yeah. Yeah. People don't want to hear it anymore. They want to hear what they believe and what they think as well.

Yeah, it's true because you're just trying to, I don't know, it's. But there is, it's so important and there is a place for it. And look, the New York. Times, the Wall Street Journal, like, they don't have the circulation or, you know, clicks maybe they used to, but they still are doing pretty well. And us, I mean, CNN.com is the most red news site on the planet. So that is heartwarming. And it's not just, and it's not just I mean, there's there's also opinion and different sort of flavors of news. It's not just politics. So there is an appetite for it. You just have to get past. No, you do. Intentional.

You know, we never do talk politics on our show at all or even, you know, broach it, you know, but I will say that, you know, I do, I watch CNN because I feel like that is, I'm getting the best sort of news from CNN. But I also, honestly, like Brett Baer is a good friend of mine and I love him. And I think that he really, you know, does it straight just for the most part when I watch his segment, you know. But I just want to stay away from it. You know, it's just too divisive. It's too crazy right now. I just want to talk about sort of just accountability, you know, in the newsroom, you know? First of all, do you feel like there is accountability in media, just generally? Well, it depends on what flavor of media.

let's just let's just go with you guys the big threes you know i mean what does it look like you know i do i mean who keeps everyone accountable that's a great question there is definitely accountability in that we have internal standards quite literally we have a whole standards department we have a department that does that does approving of stories approving of sources, and then we, of course, have, you know, our legal department. And they all get together along with our editorial heads. And if there's something that either isn't reported quite right or isn't totally accurate,

unintentionally, then we make a correction. And that's what makes us different from people, other people. It's important to us. And like you said, we are all human and people make mistakes or are maybe let astray by sources, depending on the situation. But it's a very big part of our culture. And I think that of other real journalism and journalist entities to do that. And I do think, of course, in today's environment, it's very, you know, easy to get attacked by, oh, my gosh, they had to make a correction.

Well, you know what? If I'm a consumer of media, a consumer of media, I see that the news outlet that I watch or read makes a correction, of course. Good, because it shows. Yeah. So that's a big part of accountability. Do you think it could be better? Do you think just across the board?

Yeah. Sure. I mean, we could all always be better. When you guys come off the air, when you go to commercial, do you guys all talk on the panel. You do. Is there a lot of cursing and stuff that happens? Yes.

That's what I'm saying. The behind-the-scenes shit is what I want to see. I want to see the behind-the-scenes shit after they go to commercial. And it's like all of this. I know. You know what? I always joke about that because we're not on broadcast. We're on cable.

So there's no, we're not going to get like an FCC. fine for cursing. Oh, it's so great. You know, it's always fun to hear the opinions and the pundits and the right and the left and, you know, see the battles. It's fun. But then once the cameras go away, you go to commercial. That's the fun shit, you know, all that back and forth that goes on.

And I'm sure I would love to. I would love to. End the day here. And you could just hang out and watch what happens. And are there people internally, you know, who are on air who, everyone seems to like each other, but are there like rivalries and people who don't like each other but have to work together?

No, in media. Specifically in your world. There are. I'm kidding. Of course. Of course there are. Listen, I can open the door and walk out there and we can start it right now.

It's so fun because you just... In all seriousness, it's actually kind of amazing how well most of us get along. tell. I mean, you can really tell. I've seen Scott Jennings get like, really, you can see his face go flush sometimes when he gets really angry. I love Scott. He is great. I'm going to get him. I mean, I've known him for a long time. He is a funny guy. And he's,

and he'll like walk off the set with, I mean, you're obviously a viewer. So like Ashley Allison. is just left as they come. And they become very good friends. I'm talking about behind the scene stuff, like, you know, the cutaways. Wouldn't it be great to see Ashley and Scott, like, yucking it up at the craft service table, being like, look, we can disagree, but we can still be homie. But that happens all the time. When Dan is interviewing somebody and she's really going after and trying to get to them

and trying to get facts and the truth out of them, and they'll have a real heat of conversation. And as soon as that camera shuts off, hey, so you're going to be, you know, you're going to the dinner tomorrow night? Yeah, yeah, yeah, all there. So it's sometimes that doesn't happen. Yeah, sometimes. But for the most part, nowadays it's less. Yeah, yeah. But earlier on that, you know.

There's a mutual respect there. I mean, there used to be like a respect for what they do as, you know, public service. Is there something else I can help with? What was that? What happened? As a public servant or. or at respect for us as journalists. I'm going to let you guys go,

but I have one more question for a late. Why was Anderson Cooper like in the hurricane? Yeah, that was the most shocking thing I saw. So I'm like, what is he doing down there? Like, you're Anderson Cooper. Loves it. It's so funny. I was like smashed by some like weird like siding.

I'm like, Anderson, like, you've put in your time. You don't have to go down into the. Hurricane. 100%. He does not have to do it. He loves that shit. He loves it. That's the best.

It's so funny. He can't wear the black t-shirt. He's still got a tight white t-shirt on. He's got to show off the guns. I know, but I remember turning on the TV to look at some, I'm like, wait a minute. Anderson, like, obviously you called your number on this assignment. No one's telling you to go there. Well, I appreciate you guys.

This has been so much fun. When I am in Washington, I definitely would love to come down and see that. I mean, no, but I'm on the East Coast, you know, I'm on the East Coast a bunch, you know, and a jaunt up. I mean, I would love to just see the inner workings of it. It's just so fun. I mean, I, it would be a blast. All right, guys, I appreciate it. Thank you.

All right. We'll talk. Thank you so much. Have a good one. Bye. Thank you. Oh, my God. That's not enough time.

That is not enough time because I know. When I do these shows, I got it, I want to get into the childhood. I want to get into the thing. You know, I want to, like, learn where everyone's coming from. And that's what's fun about it, you know, to sort of see where they, but I wanted to get into the whole news thing. Oh, God, there's so much I want to talk about. Anyway, maybe next time, I'd love to have Dan on again.

She's great. So is Dave. Dave's great. I always say that after everything. Anyway, I'm going to go to D.C. I'm going to do that. I think that'd be fun. I'm going to be really fun.

And you know what else? I actually have a credit. I have an Airbnb credit. How about that? So I can use my Airbnb credit to say somewhere in D.C. So I can cut some cost. All right, this is good. It's all coming together.

It's all coming together. I'm going to go to D.C. I'm going to use miles. So I don't have to pay for that. Then I'm going to use my Airbnb credit. stay at some probably like radical place and then I'm just going to stay at CNN all day and just eat there craft service and whatever lunch they have and then leave so I essentially won't spend any money perfect did it done all right thank you Dan and David this was really awesome

it wasn't enough time but hopefully I get to I get to hang out with them again all right Oliver Hudson Introducing IVF Disrupted, The Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While KindBody did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IvyF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the iHeartRadio. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the I-HeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer

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