Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Call Him Daddy

Episode Date: June 16, 2024

In a special Father's Day episode of Sibling Revelry, Oliver is joined by his own kids who have lots to say about their dear dad!Plus, a shout out to his two dads, his father-in-law, and all the fath...er figures out there!  Happy Father's Day!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry.
Starting point is 00:00:28 Don't do that with your mouth Sibling Reveory That's good I'm going to start this episode off by Singing A little song And those of you who know it
Starting point is 00:00:50 Please sing along And the cats and the cradle and the seals a spoon Little boy blue and the man in the moon When you coming home I don't know when, but we'll get together then, yes, I know we'll have a good time then. Well, my son came home just the other day, and he went to the schools in the usual way. There were bills to pay, and bills to pay. He learned how to walk while I was away.
Starting point is 00:01:16 He said, Dad, yo, fucker, let me borrow the cookies. I see you later, let me have them, please. And the cats on the griddle in the silver spoon, and little boy blue and the man in the moon. you're coming home daddy i don't know when we'll get together then yeah and all of the good time that man oh okay there you go that song is uh honoring father's day it is father's day it is a special day for us papa's i have uh never had a more fulfilling joyful insane emotional experience in my life other than being a father that is number one for me it is my priority um i feel like i could be i would have been like george cluny if i didn't have kids
Starting point is 00:02:15 um but i dedicated everything to them sometimes i say that as an excuse meaning maybe i'm just lazy and like to enjoy my life and don't work as hard as i can and then i blame my kids i'm like oh, well, I'm a dad, and I have to focus and prioritize that. So there's maybe a percentage there, but for the most part, my kids are everything. I think it's our true legacy that we leave behind. No, awards, money, fame, whatever the fuck it is. You know, all those things go away. I mean, your children are the ones that carry you on, essentially.
Starting point is 00:02:51 The things that you impart, the wisdom, the bad shit too. By the way, let's not get all positive. I've always said this. It's not about if we screw up our kids as to what degree. But it is our true legacy, good, bad, or indifferent. That's what we leave behind. So we might as well do the best that we can. I try to do the best that I can.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Certainly I fail. And certainly I succeed. I don't know. We'll see. Only time we'll tell. Once your kids start having relationships and jobs, then you'll start to sort of see how. how you fucked them up. It's, you know, when they're in love or when they're faced, when they face
Starting point is 00:03:31 some sort of an obstacle, you know, or when, oh, my God. Speaking of being a father, I swear to God, being a father's the two dogs, is worse, not that being a dad is bad. It's harder than raising children. I have a bulldog named donut and I have a GSP, a German shorter pointer named Bronco. Bronco is the smartest thing I've ever known donut is a complete dummy. All he knows how to do is flip his bowl when he's hungry or thirsty. And the fucking dog is hungry. It's 12 hours a day. So my life, when I'm home, consists of just hearing bowls flipping everywhere.
Starting point is 00:04:07 Anyway, I digress. So, yes, I had an interesting situation growing up, as many of you already know, who have listened to this podcast. My dad and I now are on really good terms. It's been amazing, sort of the reconciliation, getting to know him in my later years, getting to know my brothers and sisters again, hanging out with another brother and then my nephew. And there's just been a really cool resurgence and a reconnection of the Hudson clan. And I'm extremely grateful for that because, you know, at the end of the day, we're all going to be a ball of fire at some point so why not reconcile obviously there are probably
Starting point is 00:04:59 things in life that you cannot but with me specifically personally i'm glad that i did and uh yeah i love you papa love you dad bill um and then of course there's kurt man i'm not going to get too crazy because I'll start too late. I get a little emotional because Kurt, he raised me, man. Like, I am the man that I am today because of him. Donut. I'm trying to, don't know.
Starting point is 00:05:45 You know, he stepped in when I was six years old. never tried to overstep, never tried to be anything that he wasn't, and he just let us be us. He taught me what it was like to be alone and be okay with it, to find my own independence, to not be such a mama's boy. He taught me at a hunt. He taught me out to fish, which is my true passion. But shout out to my dad too, Bill.
Starting point is 00:06:13 He really, actually, Kurt taught me how to fly fish. My dad really instilled Bill instilled that passion for fishing and boating and being on the ocean. He had a boat, and I used to fish with him all the time. And I'm excited to fish with my dad again, too. Anyway, so there was a lot that both of these men gave me, and I am honestly and truly grateful for both of them equally. and I love the shit out of them. And now I am that man.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Now I am a father myself. So this episode is guestless, but not really. It's going to be a little bit different. Okay. I'm in my house right now, literally packing and preparing to leave in an hour and a half. or actually as a family going on vacation. So it's chaos.
Starting point is 00:07:16 But I really wanted to get a Father's Day episode in. I thought it was important. I got cut off by donut. I was on a roll. I was getting emotional and donuts sort of flipping his bowl and took me out of my process. I felt like I cut off. I cut short a little bit with Kurt.
Starting point is 00:07:32 And we call him Pa, by the way, in case you don't know. He said, I don't want to be called Kurt. I don't want to be called Dad because you have a dad. You know, we need to come up with the name and, you know, we collectively came up with pa. Are you shitting me, donut? Okay, anyway, so here's how this is going to go. I am going to go remote. I'm going to walk around my house while my kids are getting ready and packing.
Starting point is 00:08:03 And I am going to do interviews with them. Sound quality, I can't promise you anything. But I don't know, we'll see what happens. This should be interesting. Donut is currently looking at me like, where the hell is my water? Donut, you're going to have to wait, buddy. You hear me? Hey, look who walked in.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Bodie Hudson, my middle child, he's 14 years old. He just walked into the kitchen so you're the first up. So we're going to do it. I'm going to interview you. It's fathers. This is for a Father's Day episode. Scale of 1 to 10. how would you rate me
Starting point is 00:08:42 honestly as a father given, you know, your friend's dads and, you know, because you know different dads and stuff, right? So how would you rate me? 10. Like, for real? Yeah. What are the things that I would have to work on?
Starting point is 00:09:00 Do you think as a dad? Be honest. Like, this is real. This isn't, like, don't be, you know, don't try to be funny and bullshit. Um Wow, I guess that's nothing I can't think of anything
Starting point is 00:09:19 Okay, this is going great All right Well, what are some of the things that What are some of the things that you think are positives? You are very like, not like kid-like, But, like, you're not like one of those, like, weird strict dads that's like, like, hey, like, son, like, you have a curfew at nine. You have to get home by this, this, that. It's like, call me, sir, and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Um, and I like how much you love us. And... Do you feel like I ever give you too much freedom? Um... No. No? I think you give us the perfect amount. I think...
Starting point is 00:10:12 Do you feel like I'm strict enough? Meaning, sometimes I feel like I don't get on your ass enough. I don't say no enough. I'm always giving in. It's like, come on, Dad. Like, I lost my, my, I lost my, you know, AirPods 17 times, you know? Not true. Yes, he went and bought more AirPods today with his own money, with his own money, by the way,
Starting point is 00:10:33 because these kids now have a situation where there's an allowance and they, anyway, it's a whole other deal. My daughter just walked in Rio Hudson. We are on the fly here at a sibling rivalry on the Father's Day episode. What do you want? I want toast. Can you make toast yourself? No, I can't.
Starting point is 00:11:02 You know how to make toast? I know how to make toast, but like I need a pack some more. Okay, but I, but I, I need a pack some more. As you can see, I'm doing this episode right now. But hold on. I have to interview you. I might come back to you in a minute. So why, I asked, Bodie, but what scale of 1 to 10, what kind of a dad am I?
Starting point is 00:11:23 But don't just say 10. If you think I'm a 10, great. But if you think I'm an 8, things I can do better. I think you're like a 9 because, like, you're just, like, funny and, like I like like we have lots of things in common and what do we have in common well we just like our personalities are the same and like yeah okay and then what are some of the things that you think I could be better at as a dad um maybe like um working on your farts a little more just kind of like dive it down a little more you dial it down yeah because they're not
Starting point is 00:12:07 just like you have to work on them like they're not like okay do you know who else has to work on their farts who guess me yeah your farts stink millions of people are going to hear this by the way you brought
Starting point is 00:12:24 this up mine might be loud but yours can kill human life yeah and that's my super power okay no I'm in for real you gotta watch what you're eating well I eat healthy okay You don't. Okay. Going into fifth grade, right? I have a question. As a 10-year-old girl, she's making toast, as a 10-year-old girl sort of growing up with friends and boys and girls and all that, like what do you find is sort of the most difficult part of your social life? Like, what are things that sort of be like, oh, God, I wish this was different?
Starting point is 00:13:07 Um, maybe, like, just, like, I don't know, making new friends, like, is kind of hard. Like, I still got my, like, like, my trio and, like, friends and stuff, like, my close friends. And then I also have, like, like, other friends that, like, I talk to and stuff. Um, and, like, I don't know. Yeah. Do you, you're not a mean girl? No, no. Do you know any mean girls?
Starting point is 00:13:35 Yeah. And how do you handle that? Like, let's just say you're the group of friends and maybe a mean girl's in your group of friends or a mean girl says something to one of your friends. Like, how do you deal with that as like a 10-year-old? Well, I mean, I always be like a leader and like I always like attract people to like be like nice and stuff. Would you ever call anyone out? Like, hey, you know, that's not a...
Starting point is 00:14:06 And I'm, like, more of, like, a matured 10-year-old. And, like, I, like, yeah. Okay. This is good. And then what do you want to be when you grow up? I want to be fashion designer, a model, a actor, and singer. Okay. Well, good luck with your toes.
Starting point is 00:14:28 I'm going to go find your brother. I might come back to you in a little bit. So it's harder to interview your kids. I thought, like, no. They don't have a lot going on. You know, I go from sort of, you know, neuroscientists and sex therapists and, you know, musicians and actors
Starting point is 00:14:50 who have full lives to these seeds of mine who haven't had a lot of life experience. Here we go. I'm remote. I'm moving upstairs. We've got some chaos in the house. My wife is walking around in a shirt and a G-string in front of the kids. But that's how we roll in the Hudson house.
Starting point is 00:15:21 Walking into the bathroom, my oldest son. Wilder shaving before we get on the airplane. So quick question. I've asked the kids a few questions. Why is face care the most important thing to you probably in the world? Well, it's something that, you know, I'm sort of joking with sort of not. I mean, this kid and his face care is unmatched. So ask me the question again.
Starting point is 00:15:56 What's up? There you go. Ladies and gentlemen, 16. Ask me the question again, what's up? Why do you care about your face so much? Why are you, are you, do you consider yourself vain? Vane? I don't know what vain means.
Starting point is 00:16:15 Oh my God, it's education. But no, I take care of it so much because I think it makes me more appealing and more attractive. So on a scale of one to ten, I'm asked both the kids this, right? How do you think of me as like a father? And don't just say 10 or don't say one. Like, really think about it. Use your friend's dad's as a potential example of other fathers. Like, where do I stand?
Starting point is 00:16:47 I'm doing like a solid, like, seven? I'm kidding. Seven? No. I'd say like a good, like a nine. What are something? that I could do better? I honestly don't even know.
Starting point is 00:17:08 Okay. Oh, my God. Interviewing these children, and now they're all surrounding me. Interviewing these children is not an easy task. I will say this. All right. I guess I want to move to Bodie. So having an older brother, this is Bodie Hudson, by the way,
Starting point is 00:17:26 who has put his new sunglasses on and is preening in the mirror. So, let me ask you a question. Being sort of the middle kid, does that have any significance to you at all? Do you feel like a middle child? Yeah. I mean, it just feels like... Do you feel like you're paid attention to enough? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:17:54 I think Rio has a lot of attention. being the youngest. And Wilder... Wilder gets a... Wilder gets a good amount of attention too right now because he's like, you know, like 16 and like in those like years. Do you feel like you're just forgotten? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:18:22 No, you don't. So what about what about having an older brother? you know you've had an interesting situation because you've only made your own friends in the last like two and a half three years meaning Wilder's friends were always your friends and they still are do you answer this honestly do you look up to your brother Wilder Hudson what does that mean look up meaning do you see his style do you watch how he rolls Do you secretly, when you're in your room, think he's cool, I want to be like him? No.
Starting point is 00:19:06 No. No, I don't like look at how he, like, dresses and stuff. I don't like try to, like, copy him. Does he influence you, though? Not like physically. He doesn't, like, influence me, like. Rio, it's not your turn. No, he doesn't.
Starting point is 00:19:28 like influenced me like in a like physical way I'm not like I don't know like copy him and do his clothes and stuff like that do you ever wish that he treat you use him as like a guideline to what like I should do got it do you do you wish he treated you differently or better no no no would you consider him one of your best friends. Yeah. Okay. Moving on to Wilder.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Wilder, would you consider Bodhi one of your best friend? I don't know. Don't be an idiot. Just be normal. Yeah. Yeah. You do. Rio?
Starting point is 00:20:19 How do you feel about your brothers, honestly? Like, I know that sometimes you get upset with them. You can scream at them. Let's start with the oldest. Wilder? Like, how do you feel about Wilder? What do you love about him? What do you think he could do do differently with you specifically? Um, well, I think, um, he, like, I look up to Wilder since he's, like, the oldest and stuff. And, like, I think he's, like, not that mature anymore. Because, like, he just, like, doesn't take care of, like, his, like, if, like, we're in a hurry, then, like, he,
Starting point is 00:20:58 he's like he's like takes his own time and when we're and when he's in a hurry he doesn't take this time and like and basically like what you're saying is is he all he cares about is himself yeah and also he um he just like um he doesn't take care of his responsibilities and also like he it's one time like i had a christmas tree in my room and he just kept stealing it And I don't know why he still did that because it's just a Christmas tree. And it's kind of crazy how he just did that and, like, didn't get his own. And, like, it's just kind of crazy. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:40 Meaning he, yeah, I remember that, actually. And I was like, Wilder, what do you do? Why are you taking her Christmas tree? She decorated it. She put the lights on. It was like a little fake plastic one. And his response to me was in all seriousness, without any sort of, there was no irony. I said, why did you, why did you steal her Christmas tree?
Starting point is 00:22:01 And he goes, because I wanted it. I was like, what? So you want something and you're just going to take it? Okay. What about Bodie? Well, I steal lots of Bodie's clothes. And I really look up to his style, like a lot. And you guys used to be really tight.
Starting point is 00:22:27 do you still find that you're super close? Yeah, when he was younger and I was like a baby, he really used to annoy me, like, a lot. And I just got really mad at him. Okay, we're going to move on from you because you're eating toast and I think half of the audience just threw up. Look who is here.
Starting point is 00:22:54 Oh, we have Pearl. Who is Wilder's girlfriend for over a year and a half now. And Wilder's not in the room so we can get some insight information. This is our Father's Day episode. So, Pearl, let me ask a question. And for real, does Wilder ever talk about me specifically, like, when I'm not in here being an idiot? I mean, I don't think that he takes time out of his day to, like, go on a rant about you. but I think there are times where something that has to do with you will be brought up or like some sort of trait and he'll be like oh yeah my dad does that or like but it's not it's never insanely negative unless he's like he's being so annoying right now what what what are do you have anything specific where he might say oh he's being so annoying right now I think so I think like if you're ever mad at him or if you're not letting him do something he'll be like oh so annoying but that's like.
Starting point is 00:23:57 like rare it's not that much how do you think do you think he respects me looks up to me and wants to one day be like me i think he does i just don't think he wants to show it to you because i think he wants to seem like he i don't know how to like i know that he's sort of separating from his dad a little bit how is he as a boyfriend he's great what's the worst quality as a boyfriend um It's worse call Yeah, let's start with bad Then we'll go to good Like what is it about Wilder?
Starting point is 00:24:31 Like, God damn, like, you're great But if there's this one thing If you could just change that He doesn't really have a sense of urgency that much Like, I have the biggest sense of urgency So it might just be me like being impatient But sometimes I'll be like Okay, like I'm so hungry, let's go and he'll be like
Starting point is 00:24:50 Wait, I need to shower first Dude, this is the consensus of Wilder Rio just said the same thing He has no sense of urgency. He has no hustle. That I'm not sure we'll ever change. And then what's one of the great things about him? I think just that he's really compassionate.
Starting point is 00:25:07 Like, he really cares about how I feel in all situations. So I think that's his best. And that he's really clean. That's definitely a plus. It can be annoying because, like, he has this schedule where if something interferes with, like, how his room will look or whatever. But, like, overall, it's good. It's true. All right. I'm going to let you go, but one thing I know, I know Pearl's dad well,
Starting point is 00:25:31 and he might be listening to this. And if he isn't, I'm going to make him. We'll do the same thing with your dad. If you could change one thing for him to be just a better dad, what would it be? Maybe less sense of urgency. I think I get my sense of urgency from my dad, but sometimes it's like insane. Like he needs to be, no, I mean, not all the time, but like, he just wants everything to be super literal. Like he wants to know exactly the plan ahead of time, everything, which I want to know too, but his is more of an extreme version of it.
Starting point is 00:26:08 So like, I guess that, but it's not really that big. And then what's the best, what's the greatest thing? I think just that he's so, like, easy. Like, he's so, like, fun to hang out with and, like, easy to talk to and, like, chill. And we don't fight, like, really. So.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Great. Yeah. There we go. Hi, buddy. I need socks. This is the other thing that I have a gripe about, by the way, now that we're doing this remote sort of walk around. The kids, the boys, steal all my clothes.
Starting point is 00:26:43 My socks are gone. You have, how do you not have socks? I mean, to pack or to wear? You're wearing socks. You're fine. Buddy, you're fine. You've got socks. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Bodie, do you admit that you misplace and lose things? No. No, it is not me. I never mean, he's losing these things. It's under my clothes, AirPods, everything.
Starting point is 00:27:13 All of it, it's never me. It's other people. Do you, would you agree that when you lose something and I look for it within 30 seconds to three minutes I find, be honest. Yes. 100% you find it but that's because you have like some weird echo location like it's it's not like
Starting point is 00:27:32 no okay hold on boys come here what a pro says i got some stuff hold on the boys are here right now wilder just got to the shower he's got a towel around his waist they're both trying to get pumped they're both eating creatine which i don't understand who is more jacked it's obviously you're 13 i haven't even worked out in like a week's two weeks because i like dislocated my shoulder We're going to steal and spill bottom. Oh, God. Okay. Negative aura.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Is that a TikTok thing? Oara? Yeah. Knew it. All right. Well, I love you guys. I love you so much. This was a, it's not very fascinating.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I didn't really get to get into the details and the depths of how you feel about your father. One more question. And do you want to be a mom when you grow up? Mom. Do you want to be a mother? Yeah. How many kids? Three.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Buddy, do you want to be a father when you grow up? Yes. How many children? Two boys, one girl. Okay. Moving on to Wilder. Wilder. Do you want to be a dad when you grow up?
Starting point is 00:28:44 I do want to be a dad. How many kids? Three. Boom. Okay. Well, I guess there's only one last person to interview. That's my wife, Erin. Hey.
Starting point is 00:28:56 How are you? She's not good. She's in pack mode. She just, her head, boom, focus. You cannot bother her. You cannot bug her. How's your stress level? Extremely high.
Starting point is 00:29:11 It's hard with ADHD or ADHD, whatever the hell I have. But it's a lot. I want you to talk about your dad for a minute. The U.S. Open? Yeah, that's what you're going to say. No, I mean, we can talk about the U.S. Open. Who's your favorite? Tiger?
Starting point is 00:29:34 No, babe. All right, moving on. I know I could ask about myself. I know what you're going to say. You're an incredible dad. I mean, I get all that, right? Everyone knows what you're going to say. You need to clip your toenails before we move forward.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Aaron has a toenail issue. you so talk about your dad at the age of 78 what he's meant to you what he means to you and the fact that we don't have a lot of time left like with the podcast no to be with your father 70 years yeah well babe that's pretty more but i was going to start crying before anything um but no i think um basically is the greatest dad to ever live. You know that. And I wouldn't, you know, be the person I am without him. He's like, you know, instead of like, oh, you know, the glass is half full, it's like overflowing. He's the most positive person in the world, you know, something could be terrible. His arm could be
Starting point is 00:30:43 decapitated and be like, it's just a scratch, pal, it's okay. But yeah, he's the best. He's the best husband and dad, you know, even before you. Okay. I just kidding. I love you, dad. What do you think you'll remember most about him when he's gone? Um, his, but, babe, what the fuck? I'm in pack mode, so I'm going to keep it like super straight.
Starting point is 00:31:15 I am going to miss his positivity, him thinking I'm basically, you know, the most beautiful girl in the whole world, the most amazing person on the planet. He's my biggest, you know, fan, so, and just his positivity and his crazy, funny sense of humor and his love of snacks and cheese, it's, and a cold beer. Okay. Brooks, I love you too. That's my father as well. My father and all, he's one of the greats. he's healthy and he's going to live until he's 150 years old but you know
Starting point is 00:31:54 I'm just trying to get Aaron to cry okay one more question about your dad do you think the rumor of the small penis is true or is this just something that he where did this whole thing come up you know what I mean
Starting point is 00:32:10 since I've known you it's like small penis stuff well he's the one always making jokes about it not me weird His dinky doo His dinky doo Is that what you're calling it? I think he called it his dinky do
Starting point is 00:32:28 Oh he did not That's completely I know He's like hey pal I can't see my dinky doo over my belly He's from New York Now he's from the boss I don't know
Starting point is 00:32:37 Okay I'm sorry I'm going back downstairs I think I've done it I have no idea If this is interesting or not interesting, but we just did a tour, an upstairs tour of the family. Little rushed, not sure how much insight you have gotten into my world prior to travel.
Starting point is 00:33:08 I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. I'm about 20 minutes walking around trying to get stuff out of these children. So I guess the net, net of it all is I am loved as a father. And I've got nines and tens. All my kids want kids. They want three kids. I guess you want what you grew up with. And that's that. Anyway, it's a fun day.
Starting point is 00:33:47 I hope all you all have an amazing day, all the dads, all the non-dads. You know, we're all dads to something. But it's a day to be celebrated. Sometimes I think dads don't get enough credit. You know, I think we're changing that. I think in this day and age, things have shifted a little bit. At least in my world, you know, with my friends. We're very hands-on.
Starting point is 00:34:20 I think we're, our EQ, our emotional quotient to sort of risen, you know, I think we've become a little more vulnerable in the best possible way. I think vulnerability is power, honestly, I do. And, you know, I think dads need an applause today. That, you know, it's funny because I'm not a celebrator. I don't celebrate anything. Father's Day, my birthday, I mean, Christmas and stuff when it's for somebody else, I'm down. But my own stuff, like, you know, I'm like, okay, what do you want to do for Father's Day? I'm like, whatever you guys want.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I mean, usually it's me sitting on a couch watching the final round of the U.S. Open. Anyway, I love everyone just generally. I love all you dads. I love my dad. Love you, Bill, love you pa, love you Brooks. Love you, Wyatt, my brother. Love you, Danny. Love you, Matt.
Starting point is 00:35:23 Love you, Chris. Love all my friends. I just love everyone. I do. Okay, this is a shorty, but a goodie. And happy, happy Father's Day to all. And to all a good night. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Over Comfort podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever.
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Starting point is 00:38:15 from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to casual chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.

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