Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Chiney and Erica Ogwumike

Episode Date: July 15, 2020

On this episode of "Sibling Revelry," Kate and Oliver chat with two of the four Ogwumike sisters. Chiney is a two-time WNBA All-Star of the Los Angeles Sparks and an ESPN NBA Analyst. Erica played basketball for Rice University, just got drafted to the WNBA, and was accepted to medical school. The sisters talk about how they got into basketball, what it was like to grow up in a Nigerian household, the importance of the WNBA, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Four Sigmatic, Native, Sakara, and Causebox.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good.

We had two of the four Aguomiquet sisters, WMBA, Sissies. Cheney and Erica. Cheney is a two-time WNBA All-Star of the L.A. Sparks, our home team, and as an NBA analyst for ESPN. Erica also was recently drafted to the WNBA and was accepted to medical school. So she has a decision to make. One of the things that we talked about was women in sports, the importance of really highlighting and recognizing like how incredible

these female athletes are they don't really get their due and it's time that they do it really is we talked about that stuff with the girls you know what I mean how to promote the game what needs to get done

um Kobe was a big part of that and you know for the there's many reasons why it's devastating that he's gone and this is definitely one of them you know I mean he had his he had he had a he had his hooks into the WMBA and into women's ball

and was going to make it big. You know, you just sort of felt that. She had such a great story about, and I won't ruin it. Yeah, it's great. And it does show how supportive Kobe was for the WMBA and basketball and anybody, really. But I loved hearing about how they got into basketball

and they are Nigerian. We talked a lot about that, very traditional parents' first generation. Actually, we, well, that's a perfect segue because we jumped right in to talking about their parents. So, when you hear it, when you finish hearing us talking, it's going to be literally, boom, about their parents. Boom, about their parents. Here we go. You ready?

Three, two, one. Now, but your parents were together in Nigeria and both came to the United States. No, they came separate. No. Yeah. So it's funny. Oh, they met in the U.S.? So basically, yeah, Nigerians tend to send their kids to school in places where they know other Nigerians.

And ironically, my dad's family and my mom's family both sent themselves and their siblings to Colorado and Utah. Like, so they knew people there and then they linked up there because Nigerians, like, they're not many out there. So they were just living there. So they met each other there and then they both went to Weber State and then got married. Wow. Where in Colorado? Greeley Greeley

I know Greeley I have no idea we're Greeley And then so Where were you guys born Houston Houston Yeah my dad

So then they moved to Houston Yeah he got a job after Weaver State for Compaq which is like Technically worked at I Omega first I just learned this yesterday I had to do something for it Yeah Worked at I Omega then got a job at Compa

That was in Houston And then they all decided They were supposed to go back and like run their respective family businesses back home in Nigeria, but my dad got a job. Next thing you know, they, you know, moved to Houston, pop out four girls, and here we are. Four girls.

Girl, dad. So who's the first? Right, I was about to ask that. So I'm number two and she's number four. Yeah, so there's in between. There's one above us, NECA, who's her teammate. Yes. And then there's one between us, Olivia, who was my teammate in high school.

And she's right now upstairs. She's actually upstairs. She's getting her MBA from Rice University, so she's, like, doing a class right now. Yeah. So, yeah. So that was, that's the order. Wait, do you guys were teammates in high school or teammates in college? Yeah, she went to the little, the last two were teammates in college and NECA and I were teammates in college in high school. Like, we go by two. We've all gone to like, yeah, the twos all went to school together. So like they went to a high school called SciFair and we went to a high school called SciFair and we went to a high school called SciWoids, which was like across the street. And then they went to Stanford and then Olivia and I went to Pepper Dine and then both transferred and went to rice. So. Oh my God.

Pepper Dine. Yeah, we went there for one year. We were Maliburals for one year. That's right. You were at Cross Creek? Yeah, I had my good time. I didn't get to leave much because everything was too expensive around me. So I stayed on campus.

Did you like Pepper Dine? Yeah, it's a really good school. And of course, it's like probably the prettiest school I've ever seen. Oh my gosh. It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's so great. Yeah, I know. That's the first place I experienced for, like, kids.

were skipping class to go to the beach. I was like, this actually happens. I thought it was just in the movies, but they actually did it. But it was good. I think it was just like a shock because I was coming from Texas. Yeah, but it was a really cool experience.

And I mean, I loved it. I just, we transferred back, like, for one, because I became pre-med. And it was like, it took me 45 minutes to shadow a doctor at UCLA. Like, they didn't really have as much pre-med stuff in Malibu compared to, like, in Texas. I have the whole, what's it called?

The medical center. Texas Medical Center. It's like right there. Were you playing ball at Pepperdine? Yeah, I played basketball there and I played at Rice. Yeah. Okay. So did you get a scholarship to Pepperdine? Yeah. All four of us. Yeah, we all been. All four of us. Right. And then you got a scholarship to go to Stanford.

Correct. I mean, your guys is family. I want to, I want to talk to all of you because it's like to be, like, for all four girls to be exceptional at the same sport is pretty incredible. I mean, we definitely don't have that in our family. Well, in your industry, yeah. It's interesting because we're all athletic, right? But we're, but, you know, to be exceptional. Well, we're exceptional in the entertainment industry. Exactly. Exactly.

Because we tried to entertainment. Okay. Did we try it for me? I took intro to acting at Pepperdine and that was like the hardest thing I ever did. I made a music video when I was in college and now I highly regret it. Like, I'm so embarrassed by it. Do you still have that music video? It's on YouTube.

I can show y'all if you want. It's on YouTube. I'm definitely going to look that up. How did basketball come into the equation for your family? So for us, obviously we're Nigerian-American, born and raised in Houston, Texas, but, you know, our blood is 100% Nigerian. So even though we're, you know, going to school and living life as Americans at home, we're, like, under the Nigerian. fabric, as you know, and you've come to understand. So basketball, like, has never been a thing that, I guess, you know, a couple years ago, you can say a couple decades ago, Nigerian parents

said, oh, you should put your girls into basketball. So growing up, academics is 100% stressed. So we were four girls. And, you know, we're growing up. We were, we were good at school. But, like, I think my parents realized we're crazy in the house. I will never forget, like, we had a staircase in NECA, our oldest, our fearless one. like got those big map books and we're like sliding down the staircase. And I remember we busted a hole in the wall. We used to play kickball and like busted one of our, you know, windows. I think our parents were like, okay, these are great girls.

They do well in school. But we need to put them into some kind of like constructive activity. So them not knowing much about sports right outside our neighborhood was a gymnastics like gym. So they put us into gymnastics. That was quickly like a because we're like a year. It lasted a year. Yeah. I always told people, like, I knew I was in Dustin for gymnastics.

She probably is because she was the shortest out of all of us. And he kind of built like a gymnast, low-key. I'm not that short, though, but I'm short compared to them. I hear just every day. You're 5-9. That is not short. I know. That is true.

Before our house, it's a little. Like, we're here quarantined and she's like, I'm getting mad at her for not putting the dishes up. She's like, I can't reach. I can't reach them. Shorty. But long story short, we were. in gymnastics. I always tell people I knew I wasn't destined for gymnastics because like on the uneven bars, I would never make it over because my butt would hit the ground

because my legs were so strong and I never had like the traction. So my mom's co-worker came and saw that we were in gymnastics. She was like, why are you in gymnastics? Why do you put your girls in gymnastics? You should put them into basketball. So we started off like I was nine, NECA was 10 doing basketball. I was like, that first practice was tragic. I think you guys were playing in the hall. We didn't go. We didn't do. We didn't do. We just. kind of went to their practices, but they wore jean shorts to their practice. See, that's where we were, like, so out of touch. Our parents

were, right? Like, jean shorts, halter top. We had glasses, glasses holder. Like, all those girls, it was horrible. All those girls were wearing, like, the cool Adidas and Nike's. We came in, like, Keds. And, you know, back then, Keds, like, that was, like, the kindergarten.

Kindergarten shoes were, like, nurses were wearing them. Like, that was, like, the vibe. So we went in there, we embarrassed ourselves. I was so embarrassed that I went to the bathroom and stayed there the whole time until practice was over. Really? Just because of the way, just because of the way you were dressed pretty much? All of the above. All of the above.

Like, NECA's first shot didn't just go over the backboard. It went over like the scoreboard with just sitting on the backboard. That was how tragic it was. So I'm the type of person, like, I only do things I know I can be good at. Like, that's why I don't bowl. That's why I don't pull. Oh, my God, I'm terrible at bowling. And it makes me so mad.

It makes me sick. It's so frustrating. I'm horrible, too. It is. But so basically, I went and hit in the bathroom. And that first year, I didn't play. Nekha played by herself. And so she went through it.

Like, she was the worst. She was the one they're like, catch the ball. But slowly and surely, she got better and better. I don't even know if she remembers this. But, like, the way we motivated Nekha to be good at basketball, my dad would say, okay, for every rebound, we're going to give you a dollar. And so we'd be like, yeah, Nekah, go get like $10. We can go to the vending machine, get candy.

And so she started doing that, but we never really cared about the money. It just became like a motivation type of thing. Yep. And then at home, she, like, would come and show us on the driveway, like, this is how you do a crossover. This is how you do a layup. So we all started learning the game watching NACA. NECA was the guinea pig. And then we all started joining and then we grew.

And then the rest was kind of history. So what year was this? Ooh, so I was 10. This was 19, oh, in 2002. Were you into basketball? at the time? Like watching the sport? No.

We have, I don't even know of any, we didn't, that was our first experience. We didn't watch sports. No. We watched like, safe by the bell. Yeah, we're watching Save by the Bell. We didn't care to watch sports. So, but you guys obviously had some sort of a natural ability for it. And it just had to be brought out, I guess, right?

I think, honestly, I mean, being straight up about it, like, yeah. I guess our African nature sort of helps. like athleticism, but then also like the mindset of determination. So like our parents are like, you're going to go in there and you're not going to fail. You're going to play this game the right way. And then obviously like we're tall and oh, I say

we, but you know. You see, this is going to happen like at least five. This is going to happen like five to ten times. But I would say this, but like she may be the shortest one of the bunch, but she's the most skilled out of all of us. Like we never thought she would well, really make it to the WMBA and then they didn't know I was going to get drafted until

I literally got drafted. Like they have their expectations were high but extremely low at the same time that's amazing yeah right was there was there a moment though when you fell in love with the game you know what i mean because it seemed to be forced upon you or at least this is what you need to do for an outlet was there the moment we're like oh this is it i love this game you can answer i actually never knew this answer for you so i mean for me i just watched them play like we my sister olivia and i were cheerleaders like for the most of the time watching them like, you know, those kids that would literally go and find the other kids in the

gym and pretend to be cheerleaders. That's what we did for the main part of when they played. But then we started playing. And I think we just really liked like the teamwork aspect of it, probably going into high school. And then when they were already in college, I just learned how much you can use sports as your platform for other things. I was like, whoa. So they played this sport and got to Stanford. What? Like, I was like, this is crazy. So I think I learned to love the, not just the benefits of it, but also like everything that was. went into the process of it, which was like working on a team communicating with other people. So it was probably high school when I really like tried to really get into basketball.

And it was probably high school for me as well because high school is when Nek and I won our first state championship. And I think like so much went into winning it. Like we were like, this is it. Like that was the end. You know how in high school like everything's the end of the world. Yeah. So like we went. Um, my freshman year we went and we lost and it was like heartbreaking as every heartbreak in high school is. Yeah, they were hurt. And we were. We were. her butt hurt. We didn't get it. Olivia and I were just like, can we go to McDonald's? And they're like, crying. We're like, shut up. Yeah, but then the next year, we want it. And so I think from then we were like, whoa, like this whole highest level of playing was really cool. And then also,

like, you know, as she mentioned, our parents didn't really know. We didn't really know that, like, basketball could get us, you know, these hot schools. Yeah. Like, it was just funny because my parents would sit there and like, what? Like, you want to offer my daughter a scholarship to Baylor? Like, oh, this is great. They didn't believe it. They didn't believe it until literally the coach knocked on the door and, like, presented it. And they're like, whoa, this is different. So that's when I think our mindset changed.

Wow. What did you win in high school? How far did you guys go? Did you win, win? Yeah, state. I won twice. I won state once. That's the most you can do in Texas.

Like in public schools, we don't play like nationally and stuff. So you pretty much just were the best team in the state. And what about when you started to sort of find your, groove and start to love the game, did you start watching basketball? Were you a Rockets fan? You know what's funny? I don't think she remembers it. She may not even be alive, but our first sporting event, yeah, you probably weren't. Our first sporting event was ironically the Houston Comets, the WMBA team, like the dynasty. And so I was cleaning out my room before we moved to our current family home. And I like opened one of those like random things. Like I had like a rock

there from the beach and like some other random stuff. It's super random. And actually she still remembers in her head what that rock looks like. And then there was a ticket. And I looked at the ticket and I asked my parents, I was like, this is a comets ticket. And they're like, yeah, we used to, like, my company Compaq used to give us tickets to the games. And then I remember being in the arena and I was like, oh, I think it's kind of crazy cool how my first sports memory was a comets game growing up in Houston, Texas, not knowing

that basketball would like take over our lives as girls growing up, you know, in the South as well. So I guess that's the first time I sort of was like, hmm, we don't have. We didn't really watch sports that much growing up. Our dad really is into soccer, so we kind of watched soccer with him, and we liked that, and then we watched the Olympics whenever that came on. But I think, of course, as we got older, we started to watch sports. Probably the earliest I remember is watching Tracy McGrady and the Rockets.

Like, that's probably the early, and that's not even that long ago, but that's, that's kind of, that's the early time. No, I was. T-Mack, yeah, because I remember, like, any time he scored. T-Mack, it's a Big Mac. We got a free Big Mac, so I used to scream. I'm actually so happy. Yeah, if the Rockets scored over 100 points, you'll get Big Mac. Yeah, so I was so happy.

Yeah, see, I'm a Lakers fan and, Lakers, or the Sparks. And so, yeah, it's like if they score of 100 points, you get tacos. Yes. Right? Yes. So it's all about the tacos. Okay, tell me how you feel about the Lakers. It's squad.

You must be happy. I'm very, very, very happy. I mean, it's a little upsetting just because of the season had to sort of get cut short. Looks like we're going to start playing basketball again, but I mean, it's a special team for sure. AD is the man. I mean, I think he's almost an underrated player in a way. That guy's going to be, I mean, there's nothing he can't do, you know? Crazy. I agree. I just love the Lakers squad right now. It's back to Showtime a little bit. It's so fun. It's just these guys are having the time of their lives, it feels like, you know? Yeah, I agree. I mean, now you speak

my language, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, you see the ESPN analysts come out in her? I know. It's so funny because, like, I can't, like, root for teams because, like, once you're a broadcaster, they're like, oh, you're biased. But I'm like, well, technically I'm an L.A. athlete so I can co-sign on you. But then the minute I say something positive about the clippers, all of L.A. comes at you.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like just try to stay because my, I was always a huge football fan and then basketball to me was always about my Baron. He was like my best friend growing up, Davis, Baron Davis. We went to high school together.

And so anywhere he played, I just supported him. And, you know. No, we have a problem. There's a problem in the Hudson household. Because my nephew's wearing all clippers gear. Everything is clippers, clippers, clippers. And I've been a Lakers fan since forever.

Forever. It's not, it's not a cool thing. I don't like one. And I just love sports. I mean, we were sitting watching the last dance and I was just like oh my god like is this the best sport ever I mean we talk about showtime when you're saying that you know watching the bulls and their heyday and watching them talk about this time and like that special time and in basketball was like like rock and roll meets basketball it was just so incredible do you have a story like meeting michael jordan yeah I also, like, literally I'm in love with him.

And I love you, but I love him more. Have you guys, have you guys met MJ? I have, I don't think I've met him. I'm just kidding, I don't. But I work with Scotty Pippen, and it's funny, like, I've known him post-playing. And so now to watch it, I'm like, oh, okay, like, swag on a whole different level now. Like, I've always known, but now you see sort of what he, like, overcame. So it's been kind of cool.

and I love seeing like the old hairs like the OG sort of still have like beefs. I learned so much throughout that documentary. I didn't know a single player's name. Like I could recognize faces but I did not know those NBA legends names just because I just didn't do my research. But then

I started learning like Scotty Pippin. I'm pretty sure he was at Pepperdine and like was shooting or with something once and I was like, I've seen that face. Look, this is about to deal with half the time I take her around to these basketball arenas and then she's like on her phone and like her friends are like, yo, tell

him about that. Yeah, so I posted a picture on her birthday this past year and we were at some ESPN event and I was like, happy birthday, Chenet, blah, blah. And they're like, yo, is that Jerry West in the background? And I was like, who? And they're like Jerry West. And I had to Google it and I was like, oh, that is Jerry West in the background.

And I tweeted the person back. I was like, yeah, that is. And they were like, whoa. And I was like, Chenet. And I told her and she was like, what is wrong with you? Literally the symbol of the NBA. Yeah, the logo of the NBA. It's the logo. I was so sharp.

I was so shocked. This is what we have to deal with. Yeah. That's really, really funny. I think it's actually really amazing that your love for basketball came from literally playing the sport and not from watching the sport. You know what I mean? Like that's a real pure way of loving something.

Well, let's go back a little bit. Let's go back to your childhood, you know, growing up. What was that like? What was, you know, was there a lot of discipline? were you girls all super tight, you know? Go for it. Academic discipline. Yeah.

There was discipline, but at the same time, I don't think there was that much discipline. It was almost like... For her, she's the youngest. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Honestly, like, NECA, our oldest sister, pretty much raised me.

Like, by then, my parents had her on lock, so, like, she raised me pretty much. But it was like, my mom definitely emphasized school. She was, like, you know, do well in school and things of that nature. but I think we kind of just knew her aura and we just went with it afterwards. She didn't really have to keep telling us every single time, like, you should be studying all things like that. But it was fun.

I mean, anything that Olivia and I did, Neck and Chenet already did. So we always had like resources when it came to school. You know, like I like Chenet's handwriting better than mine. So she would write her, my like biology on my binder for me and stuff like that. So like, I don't know. It was fun growing up with them. We definitely like didn't have to have babysitters as much. ways of entertainment because there was always four of us.

Yeah, our experiences are probably different just between, like, the divide. So NECA is two years older than me. I'm currently 28. And then there's four years between me and our younger sister, Chisome, Olivia. Wait, first, actually, let me give you the names, okay? Oh, yeah, Erica's my middle. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's go from bottom up.

I always love doing this. Okay, your name is... Arendma, Erica Oglimakee. But you don't have to... Just do the first. Your name is... Arenma. Then Chisome...

Yeah, she's... Then I'm Chinenia. Her full name, yeah. Then Nemkadi. It's going to be, yeah. And then, we should write this down there. And then our dad's, wait, wait, wait, what is mom? Yfeinwa.

Yeah. But they call her Yfaynwa. And then our dad's name is Peter. Peter. Was he born with Peter, though? Yes. Technically, it's like his middle name, though. Here's gone.

Chukua mecca. Yes. But his first, so Peter, Yifemua, Nemkadi, Chinya, Chishol, and Arimba. Yeah. Well, was your. great with your grandparents like religious is peter uh from the bible our dad's name our dad's a junior too so yeah peter oguni so yeah we're from southeastern part of nigeria we're evil so like nigeria's ibo housea yuraba typically the main ethnic groups were we're evil and um yeah my dad

his father's name was peter oguemike and then my dad is the first born son peter ogumikai junior so he's sort of like now the heir the patriarch of our current modern family if we had a brother would probably be Peter. Yeah, for sure. Probably Peter the third. Peter the third for sure. So growing up, though, how much tradition was, Nigerian tradition was brought into your house? I mean, we were in a Nigerian home.

So, like, we ate Nigerian food all the time. On weekends, we're going to see other of our auntsies and uncles, which even though they're family friends, it's like everybody's your aunt's your uncle. I thought I was related to so many people growing up. But, yeah, that's, like, a culture is like a huge part of us. Like, we still go back. I go back at least every year. They go back every other.

I've been gone since high school because of college and stuff. But I'll be going back now. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, yeah, we grew up with a huge appreciation for our culture and our heritage. And we sort of like, yeah, now sort of like are trying to teach people a little bit about it. And I think like now, especially in Hollywood, you're starting to see, as you mentioned, like, more Nigerians out there. And I always say, like, if you know one, you can sort of spot them all, right?

And did you grow up in, was it a Nigerian neighborhood, or was it, no? Burbs. Burbs. You were in like borderline country. Not country, but like. Tomball, Texas. But we were born in Tomball, Texas, but we were, we grew up in spring Texas. This is all like suburbs of Houston.

Yeah. But now we went to high schools and like later middle school and high school in Cyprus, Texas. So we're always in Houston. Always the suburbs of Houston. Houston, yeah. But yeah, like, she's the one who probably talks with the most Texan accent out of all us. I heard that. I heard that. You know, you didn't. No way. I swear to God, I did. I was like, oh, I hear the... Mama, mama. Yeah. No, they always say that, but I don't think so. But when I went to Pepperdine, they were like, oh, my God. I was like, what? I was like, y'all sound weird. You just said y'all,

so there you go. Okay. Yeah. It's funny because you're in the middle of, like, this huge Megaplex. I think like the fourth largest city in the U.S. Super diverse, super metropologen, but like the minute you get out like past 15 minutes, like, it's just country. I didn't realize. Where am I? I didn't realize so I came back home from Stanford, like left home for the first time. I was like, we're going to our neighbor. It's like, oh, there's like a ranch right next to our neighborhood. Like cows are on, like we just went jogging the other day and we saw cows on the loose. We're like, how cute. During quarantine, we work out at this park and there's literally cows every day and cows and goats.

And I think it's so normal. But everyone's like, oh, that's cute. And everyone's like, what? Yeah, it's not normal. And you don't think of Houston like that. Did you girls, did all you girls get along growing up? Or was there, was their tensions? Was there fighting?

Yeah, we got along. We got along for the most part. Why are you laughing? I know. I was a little menace growing up. Oh, my gosh. I just, we got along, but I was just the youngest. So it was like always something that bothered me.

So Neko would pick out our clothes every single day for school. And she would literally go on word and make a thing. And it would be like, do you want to wear a dress or a skirt? And we would have to circle it. And then we'd push it under her door. Yeah, I can't believe this actually happens. Yeah. So we would circle what we wanted.

And then we'd slide it under her door. And then in the morning, she woke up like 20 minutes before us. So she would pick our clothes out. I don't think I ever liked an outfit she picked out. I always, every single one out. Wait, but how cute is that? That's the cutest thing ever, that she actually, like, helped you. Yeah, and I didn't, I took it for me.

Organize. And you're like, this is terrible. Yeah, everything I'd be like, I don't want to wear this. She'd be trying to get me to match, and I'd, yeah, I didn't want to match. She was difficult for no reason. Like, but you know, that's how the youngest are. They, like, kind of fend for themselves and stuff. But we all got along.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, that's so true. Because I have two boys and a little girl, and my little girl, she's super feminine, but she's tough as shit. Like, she wants to wrestle and she wants to get in there. I mean, she has to sort of fight for her spot. Yeah, exactly, exactly, yeah. We didn't fight physically, though, because of all girls, I guess.

But we definitely fought with words. Oh, yeah. Words can hurt more than real. I want to know what that's like. I mean, you know, as a girl with all brothers, I don't, I never had that experience. I didn't know. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It would be so nice, it feels like it would be such a nice relief to, like, fight with words and to actually like, because girls listen to what we say to each other. You know what I mean? Yes. Like you're, you'll pick up on every word. You know, that's so funny because I feel like I wish we could just actually fight.

Yeah. Yeah. And then like a lot of boys will just fight and then you see them go play video games like two seconds later. Like they're good because they hashed it out. Like us is like you're holding a grudge and then. And then you need it like you need something for them. So you're like, hey, can you give me love? And so it's just awkward.

And like the way things were quelled in our household, which is actually funny, our mom made us like all decide on the same like, show to watch. So, like, everyone had a say. So, like, we'd be fighting, and then we don't be seen, they're like, so what are you going to watch on TV? Okay. Oh, God. That one of the worst times in parenting for me is when it's

family movie night. Okay. And then it's like, all right, what are we watching? It starts off super exciting. We got popcorn. And then it devolves into just hell. Because no one can decide on the movie. Everyone's yelling. I don't want this. And then finally. And then one person leaves

and isn't watching the movie like 20 minutes. And finally, I'm like, fuck this. I'm done with it. There is no movie night. We're done. We're done. Oh, my gosh. Was your dad, did they want a boy?

There's four of you girls. Were they trying for a boy? So I think they probably were trying for a boy. But one thing that we love about our dad is like coming from Africa, where you know in Africa, it's an extremely patriarchal culture in society, right? Like a lot of times boys are the status of like family through. generations. You need a boy because he carries on the name. Like, that means a lot. Well, my dad had four girls. And so, like, he's often, and he's the first son. He's like the heir, like I said,

the patriarch of our family. And a lot of people would go to him in the Nigerian culture and just say, hey, like, aren't, don't you need a son? Like, you have four girls. And he said, my four girls are better than all your sons. Yeah, he didn't get me. Like, he never really cared. And I think, like, you know, we talk about girl dads now. He was really a girl dad. Because, like, from the jump from the beginning it's not easy to like hear your peers say oh why are your girls wearing jerseys like why are they like you know not cooking and cleaning in the kitchen why aren't they speaking evil or natural language our parents knew we were taking care of school and that we were doing things to help each other and also play sports they saw that he saw that and um for him to like

make the conscious decision to like constantly uplift us in the midst of like those preconceived ideas about like what girls are back home i think he just sort of wanted like he used this as Like, ha-ha, like, I'm going to go get society. Like, I think that's where we get all of our confidence from, honestly. Like, our mom is a badass woman. Like, she plays no games. But our dad is the one who sort of taught us, like, look, no one can stand in your way. You know, we're black women.

We're in industries. Like, I'm in sports. In the WMBA, they constantly compare us to the men. You know, she's playing basketball as well where they, like, always make these comparisons. So, like, we didn't realize until, like, we entered the real world. like, graduate in college, like, oh, so this is how we have to deal with, like, the entire broad spectrum of things. Like, our dad didn't give us boundaries.

So I think we're super grateful that, like, we're starting to realize, wow, like, we are really the lucky ones. Like, most people don't have that experience. I think lucky, though, they were hoping I was a boy. Oh. No, for sure. For sure. Yeah.

I think there was the moment where, like, the doctor says, oh, it's another girl. And you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Damn it. Okay. No, okay, okay. It's fine.

It's okay. It's okay. Yeah. Do you guys stay connected to Nigerian culture? I mean, is that still a big part of your life? Huge part. I think even more so now growing up, I'm appreciating it even more, because it's kind of, now they started it growing up, but it's now my obligation to still, like, try to learn more and stay in touch. So, like, I've personally, like, been listening to more Nigerian music.

Like, and all Afro beats are popular, like, throughout the U.S. now, too. So it's not even hard to, like, find Nigerian artists. And it's funny because, like, in our culture, if you think about occupations, like, the joke is, like, you must be a doctor or a lawyer, and that is it. Or engineer. Or engineer. You're right. Or engineer.

And that is it. But now, like, there's so many great creatives out there. One of our friends is Yvonne Oji, who just came out with a really cool HBO special and comedy. Like, there are a lot of athletes. Like, there's Anthony Joshua that's doing great stuff in boxing. We're obviously in basketball. Like, there are, you're starting to see a few, like, notable people of, like, Nigerian heritage that are doing the other.

But to get there, we've had to be like, all right, get your degree. Like, you got to go to college. Yeah. And then you work on your, like, side hustle until that side hustle could be your main hustle. But, like, I do get hit by a lot of people. Like, even, I think some of her friends that are Nigerian, like, hey, my parents don't understand. Yeah, they ask us all the time. And it's a real struggle.

Yeah. And I think that's what, I was like, wow, our parents are really. like understanding like what you know so I was I felt really fortunate and people even joke about me because I'm going to med school too and stuff they're like oh typical Nigerian and I'm just like really and I'm like I swear my parents did not make me do it like I actually want to do it and they're like yeah sure they probably made you but no like when I told my parents I wanted to be pre-med they were like are you sure they didn't want me to do it because they were like this looks hard yeah so I was like yeah I'll do it so I think our parents were ahead of the game well it's like

what you're saying like the night like okay being a patriarchal sort of culture right as you were saying what does feminism look like in that culture oh man it looks like honestly just us defying expectations right like so one of the coolest things i've done i sort of fell into like broadcasting currently work for ESPN um i'm a NBA analyst so i like report primarily on the NBA but i taught like all sports sort of generally. And one of the coolest things, the way I got my foot in the door at ESPN was they had something called SportsCenter Africa. And they have like SportsCenter, Philippines, SportsCenter Australia and all these cool things.

And they did one for Africa for the millions of viewers throughout Africa. I was able to be a co-host and anchor on that show. And to me, like, I've been in the WMBA like All-Star is fun and like I've gone to NBA games and work on that. But like that role was so special because knowing like the full circle nature of my career, meaning like my parents, like we could have gone back. We could have been born in Nigeria. You know, I could be in a culture. We could be in a culture where like if you say a girl wants to play basketball in Nigeria, they'd be like, what is she doing? Like the infrastructure is not there for girls to find success like it is here in America for opportunity. So when I was

doing that job, I was like, this is it. Like this is really cool. Literally all the millions of sports bands that are pretty much men, they're going to get their sports news from a black female Nigerian American athlete. And now hopefully they'll look at their daughters and they'll look at girls differently and say, well, if she's talking sports, maybe she can do that too. So like all those things I think help us. I always tell people like our existence is the resistance, meaning like I know right now we're in like a really difficult point in society, but even just making it to where we are now and doing what we do at a high level. level, that to me is like pushing boundaries. Like for her, like, it was not easy to watch

her, like, go through all, I'm like, all those classes and courses. Like, I was an international relations major. I just sort of have fun with that, you know? She was in the gutter, like, chemistry, oh, cam, like, all this stuff she was doing. Uh, oh, oh, you get, hey, I feel like, is PTSD. You took those? I know. I got, I got expelled from high school for cheating on a chemistry test. So the word chemistry is a trigger. And he's not kidding. He literally got expelled from high school. I'm trying to think of the worst thing that happened to me in high school. The worst thing that happened to me in high school was like, there was a food fight. And because it was happening, you know how things happened? You jump and be like, whoa. Me and my sister were

the first ones to jump and be like, whoa. And so the cameras were like, they must have thrown the first one. So like we had to go, I don't know if you even know this. No. We had to like clean up the cafeteria, but then we, like, you know, appealed, and they realized it wasn't nice. We were nerds. Our mom was our principal in middle school, so we just were nerdy. Wait, your mom was your principal? In middle school. She was my assistant principal. No. And then her principal. Yeah. So let's, really quick. So you're, what are your parents? So what do your parents do? Yeah. Your father works for. So he has his own company. So he used to, he's been in technology. He's an

engineer, but then he started creating his own company that basically takes, the way I describe it is paper-run businesses, which are more prevalent in Africa, and he brings them digital. So he has his own company. So like during our adolescence, pretty much like when we started playing basketball, he was on the go 24-7, going running his company, but then he'd come home for like holidays and major games and every like school function. Yeah. So like he was always on the go, but he was always there. Our mom. So he's a manufacturing engineer. Yeah. Long story short. There you go. Our mom, she had plans to go to law school, but when my dad and her moved to Houston, she started off as a special ed teacher. Then she became a teacher. And then

at that school, by the time I was in middle school, she was assistant principal, the head of discipline of the school. By the time she, by the time our little sisters were there, she was a principal. And now she's the assistant superintendent of our school district, psyched there. And then she just got her Ph.D. in education this past December. She's the epitome of the bottom. Amazing. Yeah. Wait a minute.

But your mother being the principal or the vice principal or the head of disciplinarian. What was that like going to the school where your mother's the one who could kick your ass? It was harder for me than it was for her. Like, you guys were lit. Like, so for me and my older sister, I will never forget. I had a huge test. I was in the seventh grade. It's a two-story school.

Hamilton Middle School, and I remember, I didn't study. My mom knew I was like, it was a big one. And I knew I did bad when I walked out to lunch because she knows where I sit at lunch and she was pacing by where I sit in the empty cafeteria. And I looked down and I was like, oh, she's about to tear in to me. So the teacher told her the grade before. The teacher told her the grade before she told me before I even knew about it. I think she was like, sentenade a tutoring or something like that.

But they sort of had fun with her. When she was the principal for us, like, she wasn't as much, she still did some discipline things, but it was fine. Like, they'd have food. Yeah, the custodians would, like, give us food, the cafeteria people. So, but, but you never got in trouble to where you had to go to your mother. No. That was, like, that was incentive enough to not. No, yeah.

No way. Yeah. Instead of, instead of go to the principal's office, it's like, go to your mother's room. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I like the idea that, like, it was her being a principal was incentivized enough for you guys to, like, incentive enough for you to be on your best behavior. We are not going to mom's office.

Of course, because like most kids, most kids where the discipline ends after you leave her office, it does not end because you've got to go home. Ollie, Oliver, imagine if our mom was a principal of any school. Signed me up for that school. The school would just explode. Signed me up for that school. I was like, I would like be a mom's.

We'd be a mom. mom's office all the time. I'm trying to think of like, oh my God, my mom would just call us up there because she missed us. She made the announcement. I know. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's so funny. Wow. Well, so did you play basketball throughout all of like middle school, like grade school, middle school, high school? Yes, we, I guess. Basketball and volleyball. Oh, yeah, basketball and volleyball. You're right. And we liked volleyball, but it's hard to do both. But yeah, We, once NECA started playing, all of us got in formation. It was mainly middle school, high school.

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Oh, wait, no, no. Was it fifth grade? Fifth to sixth. Yeah, fifth to sixth. You had, was it fifth grade or was it, like, second grade? I can't remember. I don't know what you're the story you're about. Either way, you had to do the Texas two.

step so like line dancing you had line dancing you had to pass that in order to graduate oh yeah we did are you serious yeah oh it was a square dancing we had square dancing day and it was a test yeah that's very texan very texan I feel like I I feel like I would really thrive in a school like that or you have to dance to pass dancing to pass was like something I had I would have been the way better student. Cause box because you've got

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Amazing. She went, NECA went to the Sparks. Chenei went two years later to the Connecticut Sun. Yeah, 2012, NECA was drafted number one to the Sparks. 2014, I drafted to the Connecticut Sun. You are. That's fucking crazy, man. Amazing.

That's insane. So what was it like seeing your older sister get drafted number one? one where were you at like how did that all play out it was nice so that's huge that um that whole senior year so we were at stanford together we were having fun and she like she had a tremendous senior year so i'm like you know like you have different personalities as siblings she's the one that like is just going and coasting like she's killing it she's like naturally a boss right she's already been w MBA MVP she's been a w NBA champion she's the w MBA our players is president. So, like, as cool as we are, we're just the troublemakers probably, right?

She's a legit one. She's legit. So it's just funny because her senior year in college, so her senior year, my sophomore year, I'm the one, the sister that's always like reading the blogs, right? Like, ready to defend the sisters, right? She's trolling. Yeah, so I was reading this blog and I was like, yo, this is crazy. Like, NECA, they're saying that, like, you got to get drafted into the WMBA. Like, again, remember when we play basketball, we just are playing and having fun and, like, finding success. We didn't know that there was an after or a next. And so NECA's like,

I think I want to go to medical school. I don't know if I want to like, you know, do anything else. I was like, no, no, no, no, NECA, you're not reading this. They're saying you're getting picked number one overall. So we literally are going into the March Madness tournament, her final tournament, the final games of our career.

And she's like, oh, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, NECA. You're getting drafted in the WBA. And eventually she sort of started to understand the hype. A lot of people like growing up, like, that's their dream. imagine like senior year in college she's like oh okay this is kind of cool so it was cool to witness that

just because like we didn't know that that was an expectation that that could happen and then we're like whoa so I remember how is it different for you then you know what I mean like when you got where were you when you found out the NECA got okay so I was there so the draft happened in Connecticut

at the ESPN headquarters so you guys weren't right it was myself my mom I can't even remember it's not crazy just can't remember Like, we just didn't, we didn't understand the importance of all this. It was just happening. No one sat us down and explained what was happening. Exactly.

So I was there with my parents because NAC and I had two peas in a pod, you know, older too. And I remember watching that, I was like, yo, this is dope. And so two years, so it was amazing to see that happen. But that sort of like planted the seat of my head. So then I had my junior and senior year when she was playing in the WMBA. I was like, oh, I want that experience you. I want to be number one.

And so the irony, the coolest part about it, was the draft was still in Connecticut, but this time for me in 2014, it was at Mohegan Sun Casino. I don't know if you guys have been to that casino. Yeah. Yeah. I know where it is. I've never been to it. Yeah. So it was at that casino, which is the home side of the Connecticut son who had the number one pick. So I was literally sitting there, NECA sitting next to me, my parents and my uncle, and I'm like freaking out, like going nuts and nervous, which everyone was like laughing at me because you're number one. Like, of course. But you're like, you never know until you're drafted. And so

they, like, they call my name, and I just look at NECA, and we're just sort of like, how has this happen? Like, this is crazy. And I was so crazy that when they call my name for about like 12 seconds, I was like, I sort of blacked out. I was like, Nekha literally was like, come on, today, get together, go,

walk, you know? I was like, oh, shoot, okay. Like, I'm that crazy emotional type. And then, so the crazy, the cool thing was that, like, it was literally in an arena pact of my future fans. because they had the number one pick. Yeah. The fans were there.

I was there for a concert. And I remember the audience being like super low key. Like not a very energetic. It was like, because they're all old. It would be interesting playing sports there. Yeah. So the thing about Connecticut is that like,

yes, very much older crowd. I spent my first five years in my career there. But Yukon women's basketball, like probably are going to be the most successful women's basketball program is there. So, like, all of their fan base, like, loves women's basketball. So, like, as, like, women's basketball players, we're always fighting for respect

because, like, people are always, like, trying to shade us for no reason. But in that state, they support women's basketball. So, yes, they're a little bit more chill, but they come to the games. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, let's talk about that for a second, though. The WMBA, the NBA, you know, the success of the WMBA, you know, just your feelings on how to move forward with it.

Look, Kobe Bryant, for me, I mean, that was one of the crazier days of my life. I was so upset, and I didn't really understand why I'd met him one time, but he represented something for me. Gianna as well, I think with him, with Kobe, and the work that he was doing, it was pushing. It was going to be pushing Girl Ball. It was going to be pushing the WMBA. Gianna was going to be something great. And it was almost like Kobe was going to be the one to really bring the WMBA to where it should be.

Absolutely. I mean, there's so many tragedies, you know, but that's definitely one of them, you know. So where are you girls at with the WMBA currently and how do we even make it even more hype? How do we make it even as bigger than it can? First of all, by you even like acknowledging us is awesome. And Kate, like for you sharing, you know, like your points of view on sports. on your platform, that, like, changes the narrative of what people think girls should be, you know, like as athletes, as confident women.

Like, that's just what we're all about in the WMBA. And I think, as you mentioned, when it came to Kobe, I was in L.A., I was downtown. It was the Grammys Day in which the news happened in which he passed, and I heard about it. And I, you know, I work for ESPN. So next thing you know, like, I'm the only one in L.A. live watching. I told you. Yeah. I was in Houston.

I was taking a piano class. at Rice. So I was about to go practice the piano. And my friend, nerd. Yeah, whatever. My friend texted me and was like, is this real? Ask your sister because she works for ESPN. So I called Chenet and she was like, I don't know, I don't know. And she was like, my phone's blowing up. And she had to like hang up. And I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. It was, it was crazy. And so being downtown in LA Live and like, she called me, my NACA call me. And I was like, let me just go into our studios, which is right there to confirm. And so I looked in the studios and, like, the headline was there.

And it was just, like, that was Grammy's day. So, like, when I started walking, I was going to walk to Whole Foods and, like, the grammar's wrong. So you see people walking in Texas downtown and, like, beautiful dresses. And then next, you know, over the course of an hour, as people discover the news, I started seeing people, like, in jerseys. I saw someone bring a bouquet, like, within an hour of the news, like, a mural already being put up. And, like, yeah, a lot of people felt, like you said, Kobe was bigger than sports. It's like his mentality, his Mamba mentality is something that we all, like what your craft of acting and entertainment for us in basketball, like, we all sort of, it sort of resonated with us. He was that first real, like, real ally that we needed in the women's basketball community.

I always tell people that, like, we don't need these guys to co-sign us because if they really know, they know that we are the best women's basketball league in the world. Only 144 women get to play in the WMBA. So, like, yes, we're a league full of badass women. women, like every type, I always tell people, like, you look at the WMBA, and it's like that song, like, I'm every woman. You know what I mean? Like, you can find every kind of woman in the WMBA. And, like, we're always, you know, on the forefront of social activism and standing up for causes that were passionate about. Kobe saw that.

And he understood it and he championed it. And it's really tough because, like, not only losing Kobe, but also Gigi, like, she was the one that he said, look, I don't, we're talking about sons. Like, I don't need a son. This is a girl dad. She is the one that's going to rock my name on the back and really change the game for us. So it really hurt us because we had seen her at our W&B games. We saw him. Like that season, this past season, the U.S. women's national team came and played in L.A.

He obviously brings his daughters to every major women's event because he's like trying to put them and show them, you know, greatness. And he's been a great mentor for all of us in that. And so our Sparks team was there. He had a suite. We're all watching and supporting the U.S. Women's National team. He invites us to the suite. And so we go in there thinking like, oh, shoot, we get this cool photo op with Kobe, right? And then we end up staying there for 45 minutes.

Our coach now this past season, Derek Fisher, Laker Legend, right? And so we're trying to figure out. I love Deep Fish. Right? Meeting Kobe then, it just showed us that as passionate as he was about basketball, is how he was about his love for his daughters. And that translated to us as women. Like he was here to help us because he saw us sort of as like daughters of the game

and that type of stuff. So yeah, we like it just, oh, yeah. And there was like a, and he's been, he's been that person forever. I'll never forget. Like when I was at Stanford, my freshman year, we played at Staples for the Pac-12 tournament. And Staples is obviously the Lakers locker room. I did the corny thing of saying like, yo, if we win, I'm going to write a note to Kobe. And so we won, and we're leaving the locker,

and they're like, Chenet, you're going to leave your note. So I ripped a piece of paper and wrote a note. Dear Kobe, Kobe, thank you for letting us use your locker. I'm like, probably the corniest thing to ever, right? You're killing it this season. We're rooting for you. Sincerely, Chenet and Stanford Women's Basketball.

These, like, everyone talks about his attention to detail. This happened in 2011, and a few days later, we're at practice at Stanford, and our coach calls, like, says my name, like at the end of the huddle before we leave cheney and i was like oh shoot what i do because i was that type of person that like didn't do something that causes to run occasionally and i was like oh shoot what i do she's like chene did you leave a a note for cobi in the locker room at staples i was like our whole team just starts jumping up and down because they knew i did yeah he got that scrap of paper from his locker and then followed up reached out to a trainer

he was working with the with the lakers to contact us at stanford to tell us that he was proud of us the tournament good luck strive for greatness and everything that you do so like he was doing those types of things for female athletes for women for women period like in the sport that understood what he represented um you know throughout his life so that's why we love covey who i guess makes me want to cry and it makes me makes me want to cry i know fuck man well where do you think the w nba is right now you mean i mean where where do we need to go like how how does it keep growing. Ooh, well, we're trending in the right direction, honestly.

Like, if you look at our marketing dollars spent, like, with jersey sales, if you look at our streaming numbers, there's a lot of fake news out there when it comes to the WMBA. Like, it's so socially acceptable for, no offense, those weak, I don't want to say weird. Kids that probably are, like, teenagers that think it's, like, cool when they see a WMBA, they'll be like kitchen or y'all are trash. Like, they just put that automatically not understanding that they're judging a game upon which they don't even know and on top of it but does that happen a lot that happens a lot that happens with so terrible yes i think we're at this point in society which is really great

like where we don't just like let those things ride and slide like we actually call them out so now i think people are starting to see the wmba for what it is like a league full of amazing women women that are leaders women that are amazing like savages on the court and so now we're also putting ourselves out there as individuals. Like me, I'm also a broadcaster. She's going to medical school. We have so many women doing cool different things. Like, there are women

that are now coaches in the NBA right now. Like, one of my teammates is a coach for the Washington Wizards as well. It's so awesome. You know, we can't wait on the men to help us get validation. You didn't earn anything. You know what I mean? From a man, you earned it from yourself. Oh, yeah. On the merit of your

own skill, right? It was the men who fueled me to earn it. There we go. It was the lack of that that helped me fuel. Thank you, exactly. But even like if you think about your mom, just like paving the way and setting an example for you, another woman that sort of could say,

hey, this is what you need to know and what you don't. You know, like that to me is so big when it comes to women's sports in general. We're realizing that in this time, all right, maybe people will continue to compare us to the men. Maybe people will still think that we're less than the men. Well, who cares? I've got U.S. women's soccer.

that's out here winning World Cups. I've got U.S. women's hockey that's out here fighting for one league. In the WMBA, we just negotiated a new collective bargaining agreement where we accomplished, like, paid maternity leave for women and, you know, better compensation and salary. And then, like, even more general, like, it's not just in sports where all of us are coming together and helping each other.

You remember in 2016 with the women's march? Like, obviously, that was a huge moment for women. We're like, hold up. We roll deep. Like, we roll this deep. They don't have to hear us. you know what I mean so like I think coming together as women women supporting women women creating opportunities for other women like that to me can change the game but now what for you

when did you you you just got drafted right like two months ago in quarantine yeah in quarantine we had a virtual draft I actually put it on my YouTube channel it was really cool yeah and tell us how tell us how that went down I mean yeah you guys were all together yeah I wasn't like my sisters to where I was going to be a number one draft pick like I've had a successful college career and so they were just like it's a virtual draft you know record what you're wearing you know they tried to tell us but I wasn't a first I wasn't number one draft pick like them I didn't know if I was going to get drafted it was like up in the air you know I went to rice university it's a great number 15 academically and like basketball wise we did really well I did well but it's not like a

Yukon Stanford you know so I was just they're like hey you're going to get drafted and I just didn't know. So that's why this whole year I was preparing for med school. I was doing med school interviews while playing basketball. But yeah, so we just all went to one house and put on ESPN and we truly did not know when I was going to get picked. Like every single

they're like, and the number 10 pick we're just like, because we just didn't. We did not know whatsoever. So it was probably a true draft. It was the first real true draft. Yeah, because the rest of them they both knew they were number one. So then they picked, they called my name at the 26th pick.

And it was funny because I was drafted to the New York Liberty. So we were like jumping and cheering and all that stuff. It was really cool. I was like, oh, I'm going to be in New York. And then first trade of the draft, they were like, word is. Erica Ogunmiquet was traded to the Minnesota links. And I was like, whoa. I was recording this for my YouTube channel too.

So like I had it up and like I had to forewarn my subscribers like don't read my face. Like I was just in shock, I promise. I was excited. I was just in shock. The context behind it is that the Minnesota links are like the rivals of the Sparks. Yeah, it's literally the only rival team of the Sparks, the only one. So two of us are on the Sparks and now she's traded to our rival. Oh, my God.

Wow. So that was crazy. I was like the first traded the draft. But honestly, though, I was like excited because if you're traded, that means they really want you. And they just had to figure out a way to get you. So I was like, okay, you know, that's awesome to know that a team really wanted me like that. So you guys are going to be playing against each other. like rivals is possible yes yes wow fun that sounds fun i know i was like i'm trying to put

myself in that position like if that was us oliver if i had if i you know how would that look it would be fun fun and heated i just post you up that's what you're probably going to do to me that's what she'll do to you of course right i mean so for five years i played against next So I was with the Connecticut son before I got traded to the Sparks to play with her. Let me tell you that first game. First of all, the entire Africa was there because that was a first time. That was the first time we played against each other. And when we played, so the jump ball happened.

And of course, they're like, sisters on the jump ball. Yeah, they made them both do it. Nekka's got more bunnies than me. So she got it, which was cool. But you know me, the corny one, like we have to match up against each other. She's running back. She's like, this is going to be fun. I was like, yeah, this is going to be fun.

she didn't even hear me they went straight to her on the block she hit me with like a fader way bucket and i was like ooh i better come ready because neckle was ready to roast hey i held my own though i held my own but i knew that first possession she was coming for me how how many times have you guys gone up against each other it's it really sucks for me because like my team at the time was bad like we i think we won like maybe nine games my first year or so because typically you have the number one draft pick, that means you probably Yeah, no, I get it, yeah. And so we started from the bottom now we're here, right?

The first few years, I think I took one. I got my butt-wooked by neck of like the first few years. And then the last few years, our team started to get better because we got more draft picks. You got, you know, and then we beat them a couple times. But then eventually I just, my sister, so a lot of people don't know. When you play in the WMBA, you play from May to October typically. October to May, WMBA players go and play overseas. So I played in Italy, I played in China, NECA's played in Poland, China, in Russia for a couple years.

So like I barely, ever since my sister graduated Stanford, I've barely seen her. She's been to the WMBA or in China or one of those countries. And so I felt like it was important for our family. Like, we were missing each other. So after five years, I was very lucky that the Connecticut son traded me to L.A. So now we can hang out at least during the summertime. Well, now, but when you were playing each other, would you have to hold your like love for each other or you're like fuck it like ah so like I'm trying to remember what happened

exactly but like I remember I was on the free throw line and they were beating us bad and you know like people are nicer when they're beating you so like I was standing next to NECA and that's like your shoes untied I was like I don't watch shoes on tight like I was salty but she was like that makes me more that like makes me more frustrated when people are nice when they know that you're losing you're like don't do that yeah don't do that I should don't leave me alone We used to just cheer when y'all would score because we didn't want to cheer for either team. Yep. So, Sheney, you're a forward, right?

Yes. Both of us are forwards, yeah. Okay. You're a five-nine point guard. I'm like, yeah, who's my guard? She's a guard, shooting guard, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, you guys, this is just incredible. I hope that opportunity actually happens. You know what I mean? Yeah. Where you get to. I would love it because we got two on one right here. I know. I know.

With the baby. I feel like you might be a little easy on her because she's your baby sister. Oh, you don't be, I'd be like, shoot it, shoot it, shoot it. Yeah. I was there. I'm just here for a good ride. Well, you could probably cross her over and break her ankles off. Oh, yeah.

You know, you're quick. I'm sure you're pretty quick, right? Yeah. You know, an athlete's life playing at a high level is short. It's not usually a long-lived experience. So what do you feel like you're taking from this right now? And where do you want to go with it when that part of your career is over? Yeah, I think you like nailed it because a lot of athletes don't even realize that we get in this mind frame of like, ball is life.

Like, but at some point you're going to like have to hang your shoes up and it's going to be done. And it comes quicker than you even know. I think considering that we sort of fell into basketball and fell in love with it, we've already sort of like been destined probably for other things. Like I didn't know that I would go into broadcasting. and, you know, report on the NBA. Honestly, it happened to me when I got injured. So I learned this, Kate, when I was injured twice, I've had right knee micro fracture surgery and left Achilles surgery.

Both injuries take you out for like a year and a half. So when she won her state championship, I was at home on crutches. Like she won and I was like crutching like, yeah, let's go. So I learned that lesson then that like, oh, sports can go at any time. And so I think I started saying yes to a lot of opportunities, and she understands this because, like, this platform that sports gives us is really tremendous. That's why you see a lot of athletes, like, jumping on causes and, you know, using their platforms to create, like, meaningful change. So for me, I never thought, like, through those injury times and me saying yes, I'm like, yeah, I'll go on this network and, yeah, I'll go and talk to these people. It manifested into, like, oh, would you work this women's basketball game?

Oh, would you host sports in Africa? Oh, would you be an NBA analyst? like these things just naturally led one from like one thing to the other and so I guess for me it's all about like uplifting women in particular especially black women just because I know it's like doubly hard to try to like you know make it and then um you know keep the positivity and the joy and like not box ourselves in and let like if you saw me people probably think oh like what does she do like they don't necessarily know they see my name you know just trying to bring all that positivity that sports has brought us.

But I know she has like her own point of view because like medical school is a whole other beast. Yeah. I was coughing just something was in my throat. It wasn't like I was trying to talk.

It was like awkward timing. But yeah, I think ultimately I didn't even know sports we're going to go past this year because I didn't know I was going to get drafted. So yeah, I already planned on going to med school

becoming a physician. And I think I just liked sciences. So that's kind of how the pre-med stuff happened. Nobody in my family's done anything medically related like whenever I was doing med school interviews they thought I got accepted to the school and like so they were cheering and stuff but I was like no it's an interview or like they didn't like when I press submit they like were cheering you know they didn't get any of it

she was like so low key with her medical school she's like oh I think I'm just going to try to apply to what I was like no no no apply to them all yeah and the next you know she got into nine out of 10 of her top medical school yeah wow yeah so I just I knew that that was going to be what I wanted to do after basketball. I like sciences. I like just like how multidimensional medicine is. Like I plan on, you know, trying to be like someone in health admin, you know, like working with a lot of people.

So, you know, I love Dr. Pimple Popper. That's like my ideal job. I want to be a dermatologist on TV. Like that sounds amazing, you know? So I just, and I know she works with so many different other like professions like entrepreneurs, business people. So that sounds so cool to me. So other than basketball, it was something that I learned throughout school that I liked.

So it's nice to know that basketball is going to continue, but I kind of know what I want to do afterwards. And this is why I'm really excited. How does that work, though? So how will that work for you? Yeah, I think with the coronavirus and just everything going on, it's very possible that I'm able to do both this year because school is remote, most likely. But if not, I was so scared whenever I told all the med schools that accepted me. I was so nervous. Like, that was the reason on the draft day I wasn't even that happy because I was thinking they were going to take.

away my acceptances but every single med school I called was like this is amazing like enjoy what you're doing like we're going to work with you so I don't really know how it's going to work but all of them have been so accommodating and the one school I chose like it's super accommodating too so to be determined how it's going to work out but it'll work out so I just I want to talk about just race and growing up and what that was like for you girls whether it was something that was talked about, you know, in your family with your mom and your dad and how that just played a part in your childhood and your upbringing and where you're at right now with all of it. So we are here, you know, like, as we mentioned, born and raised in Houston, Texas.

And I think right now where the world is, like our backyard, our people are hurting, right? Even though we're Nigerian American, when we step outside, we're black, you know, and we're black American. And so we have, I guess, you can say that, like, intersectionality of, like, juggling multi-identities. And so, like, you think about what has happened in our backyard, George Floyd was from Houston, Texas. He went to Yates High School, one of the best basketball programs and sports programs that we always heard of growing up.

During quarantine, our dad had always been saying, can we drive to Galveston? It's like an hour drive out of Houston. Let's drive to Galveston. And so ironically... Galveston has the dirtiest water, nothing compared to Malibu whatsoever, FI. My dad wanting to go, like, that's how you know, like, it's just not pretty good. He just likes to go on road trips, but, like, yeah, don't go there thinking it's, yeah, Malibu Waters, because it's definitely not. But, like, you know, it was ironic that we went the day after Juneteen to Galveston, and we were just thinking about, like, how we are feeling and how it feels different, especially being in Houston.

There's a woman by the name of Sandra Bland that really affected our community as well when it comes to social injustice. So, like, as black women in particular, you know, I think a lot of times women, as you know, like, Kate, you know, tend to get neglected in the narrative a lot. Like, whether it's with salary, whether it is with opportunity, whether it is with raising their voices and actually being heard, right? So I think the good thing that I've learned actually through sports is that our collective voice matters, which is why I wanted to say, say, like, I'm so glad to be on here with you because as, like, a huge woman, not just in the industry, but just literally in the world, to share your platform with us to tell our truth, our stories, our experiences and other women and other siblings, it literally, as you know on this podcast, it takes a village. And so as women, the way we see the world's moving when

it comes to race, I think we're starting to realize that we are more alike than we are different. Like, we all have struggles. Some people's struggles are way, way more severe, you know, because, you know, there's issues of privilege and there's issues of just, you know, us being able to live and move and breathe comfortably in this world. So I guess that's sort of where I sit. And I think me personally, because I've been in Houston for like pretty much 21 years, like my whole life, I've been in Houston because I went to Rice University, is literally in the heart of Houston as well. So I have a more so academic side as well

because Rice is a research institution and they're a super diverse institution, but I've always been a black student in Houston, a black student in high school. So I've been able to connect with a lot of academics at Rice because I think what all of this happened, everyone wanted to do something, you know, sign every petition you could.

Like they just wanted to do something. And it's kind of hard to feel like you're doing something, you know, especially at my age. So I've been really, involved in trying to get more involved because people don't realize, but there's so many people who do this for a living, you know, trying to amplify voices about boating, about, like, health disparities, just different things like that. They do that for a living. So it's been nice being able to connect with the community at Rice and Houston in general to, like, join initiatives that

they're already doing. And I'm, it's kind of cool knowing that I've been in Houston my whole life and I'm able to, you know, just commit and give back a little, you know. And it's just, it's a surreal experience. Did your parents ever touch upon it when you guys were kids, you know, and have a talk with you or anything like that? I think these are all conversations that, like, children of black families have. Like, and you don't even realize that this is just what we have come to accept,

not knowing that, like, for the world, it's just not fair that we have to accept these things. So, yeah, like, when we go out, You know, it's simple as saying, hey, don't be out when the sun goes down. Or, you know, don't wear a hoodie. Or, like, when you see people, like, make sure your hands are free or when you're driving. You know, like, I'm on the phone. I lived in Connecticut for five years. And I would drive to ESPN at, like, three or four in the morning. And then, like, at 1 a.m. a night. And I'm on the phone with my mom the whole time. I'm driving just in case something happens. She's already ready to hear. Our dad just sort of telling us that, hey, like, you need to be prepared. all times. Even though we didn't feel or understand necessarily the weight of it, this is just how life has always been for us. Right. It's almost like in your mind it was just the norm. Which I get why they made it the norm for us so that it definitely became habits. And it was just something that we did without thinking. But at the same time, they didn't explain as much like why they were doing it. They're just like, you need to know these things. Like even I was

jogging today with no headphones on. And every time I passed someone, I made sure I turned my music down. Like, why did I do that? But it's because my parents told me, you know, like, don't cause a scene, don't be loud, things like that. And I, it's just something that's in our nature. And I get now learning about the world why, why they did that. Yeah, but I also, like, you know, as hard as things have been, like, even just thinking about things we didn't let, like, sit heavy in our soul. Like, I remember, um, we talk about being born and raised, born at Tomball Hospital in Texas, Tomball High School, not to put them on blast, but like, Oh, Lord.

I was in a high school in Texas. I remember I played a volleyball game and I'm the only, you know, black girl on the team. I'm like six to long, dangling, super long dangling, super powerful. I was a boss at volleyball at the time, right? We went to state. I remember the crowd was full, I would say, 99%. You know, white kids, my team, primarily white kids.

You know, we all got along. But like when I was going to the quote unquote enemy territory of playing, against another school. I was called racial epithets. I was called things like animal and H.G.H. Steroids, monkey, while I was playing in a quiet gym. And I remember my teammates just looked and they just kept looking at me. Like, no one even talked about it, but they were trying to see how I'd react if I cared, if I heard. And it's like in those moments you forget like how exposed and naked you feel. And like I just remember not trying to like well up and cry and show that I felt something, right?

I made it through. We won the game. Crushed it, right? What position did you play? I was middle blocker. Okay. Yeah, I was middle blocker. So I remember that, like, it was so hard to get through those moments. I left, and I left knowing that that was just how it was.

Like, this is something that can happen when you are the only black person in a setting in the South. And I never held that against it. I just felt like we're so ignorant at. times to our own history. But now the beautiful thing is, if you're being ignorant, now you're choosing to be ignorant. We literally are living in the midst of two pandemics, you know, COVID, corona, and racism, two pandemics that disproportionately affect people of color, especially, you know, black people, black women as well. So now it's like, if you're choosing to ignore the

realities of the world we live in right now, then I don't, you know, that's, that's, that's, It's not the energy we need. We're all united in a different way. Like, this young generation, I always make fun of them. Gen Z. You know, like, the TikTokers, I saw the funniest tweet where they're like, we were worried about y'all when you were eating tidepods, but y'all are out here, you know, talking that talk and walking that walk.

I think we have a generation where it's not just activism. Like, we go on social media and, like, post these things. It's now, like, action. How do we, as you mentioned, carry that over. as one. Like right now, I think a lot of people are shook. They're like, whoa, I've grown up in this lane, but I see this one experience and we all know that is wrong. You know what I mean? How do we come together and move forward? I believe in Genzi. Yeah. Same here. This collective consciousness, though, is so powerful because I think like what you all are saying, educating and

learning more, everyone's realizing in this age of information, like, I have to learn more or I'm being completely ignorant. Yeah, but I'm also learning more too, which is great. Like, I'm learning what I can, what I shouldn't accept, like what in the past I shouldn't have accepted from people or what I can still, you know, do better and try to educate people. So it's like collectively everybody is learning and I think it's just such a transformative time. You are engaging in your future and your kids' future differently than you have been as a girl who's been focused on basketball in med school. Yeah. Because people think I need to create this what this big organization blah blah. You don't need to do any of that like people already have it done. Please just go find it

and learn about it and amplify those voices. And honestly, I think that's what people are starting to do. I think at first it was complacency because everyone was like, what can I do? And then like you said, you do nothing. And I know it's not even just complacency. People are worried to mess up. Yeah. Like as black people, I know like it's we're going to an experience and we're like, hmm, y'all are just starting to realize what we've been going through, right? And then people are trying to speak up, and I know it's been probably pressure on you, especially, Kate, like, what are you going to say? How do I say it the right way? And so I just tell people, like, trying is important.

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Oh, I was going to say baby. Crazy. Great. Perfect. Who's more competitive? Me. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Better grades. Me. Okay. So Erica right now is more competitive. I finesse. You know? I know how to finesse.

Who has better shoes? Cheney. She has more money than me. Give me a couple years. Who wins in a game of horse? Erica. She's the guard. Unless we're shooting

layups and she's Dunkin, then I'm Right. No, you can't do that. That's not fair. Oh my gosh. Who's more of a homebody? Chenet. Netflix and chill, even if it's by

myself. Yeah. Me too. I love it. Who's fun. Who's funnier? Erica. She's not funny.

She's like got that sarcastic humor that almost like hurts your feelings, but she's laughing so you don't feel threatened. Yes, that's like me too. I love that kind of humor. It's called dry humor. Yes. Yeah. Who's better at karaoke? Chenet, probably. She's like, I'm more... We're both tone-deaf.

Yeah, we really are bad. Who's more of the rule follower? Chenet. Yeah, me. Yeah. Who's a better multitasker? Oh, Erica. Oh, terrible. I'm horrible. I can't do anything. You're one or one thing at a time. One thing, yes.

Who takes longer to get ready? Chenet. Yeah, probably me. What about your first celebrity crush? Oh, I know hers easily. We just talked about this. Go ahead. Talk about it.

Hers is Chris Brown. Let me see if you can't run it, run it. Now it's like, ah. You're like, but this was before. Like a long time ago. He's still awesome, though. Music was. Musically.

Yeah. Talented. She doesn't know mine. I was too young. We're too far apart in age. Who was yours? What was yours? Nick Jonas.

Oh, my gosh. A very good first crush. I've been to like four Jonas Brothers concerts. Did you guys have posters when you were kids? Yeah. Jonas Brothers. I still, I just took you know. What was some of your posters?

Like memorable posters? Chris Brown, Little Romeo. Oh, my. God, little Romeo. I still, like, that's a crush right there. I love, I met him a year or so ago, and I was like, oh, you're kind of tall. He's like, six feet tall. You know, for me, I got a little amps because I'm tall.

I'm tall. I'm like, oh, it's not. Who do I have? I have, Blake Griffin was on my wall. I have Blake Griffin posters. We kind of all love Blake Griffin. And then it's kind of weird now because she's like, does I'm like an analyst and I'm like, oh, yeah, so.

I didn't have many posters. Yeah, yeah, I know. Hey, Blake. You didn't have, yeah. No, I had a poster of Lionel Messi. I don't know why. No, messy. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I think I had a Michael Jordan one because Oliver's, uh, girlfriend was in love with Michael Jordan, which then I was in love with Michael Jordan. Oh, really? She kind of brought, she kind of brought the love of Michael Jordan into her house.

I'm still in love with Michael Jordan. Yeah. Same. Even, even, even watching him as an older man on last dance, I was like, oh God. Yes. I love them on that. Who would survive, who would most likely survive a month in the wilderness?

Ooh, that's a good question. We both would probably. Would? Yeah, we both. Well, actually, we either really wouldn't or we really would. Who would you lean on for survival, you know, or would it be like a team effort? It'd be a team effort. It'd be a team effort because we both have our weaknesses.

Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Who is more adventurous? probably um we have our moods I don't know it's very

it depends on who wakes up more yeah who is probably me just because like it's because her job and her lifestyle is a bit more adventurous than mine or another

yeah probably yeah is there anyone that you'd love to meet you know what I mean like a celebrity or an athlete or someone who you like man I wish I could meet him or her hmm say it

I'm thinking I mean Of course, Barack Obama. I'm trying to think specific. Or Michelle Obama, one or the other. Yeah. That's like an automatic. Yeah.

I'm trying to think. Who? I would say I did freak out when I saw Viola Davis in the airport at LAX. What? I probably want to meet Bad Bunny. The musician. The musician. So the last question.

question is a two-part question. And the question is, is what is it about the other one that is something that you wish you could emulate, that you, a quality that they have, that you love, that you wish it was something that you had as well. And then the other part of that question is something you'd want to alleviate from your sibling that you think would be in the best interest of everything that is good about them. Okay. Amulate. I'll start. She, I don't know how she's been able to, like, focus at such a high level, like, playing basketball, but, like, also going to class and doing the hardest classes. For me, it's, like, I put a ball in a basket currently, and I talk about people that put balls in baskets, right?

Like, it's so simple and natural, but for her, like, to even choose medical school, focus and not just, like, learning is so subjective. And to be able to tackle all of those things, I wish I could have that, like, zero in focus and drive. Being the youngest out of us four to, like, have three older sisters and not feel, like, threatened and to not feel like she doesn't belong. But instead, like, I just am a professional basketball player and talk about basketball. She's, like, going to be a doctor and, like, hopefully save lives. So she's been driven and motivated. So I would like to take some of that focus because you heard I can't multitask. I would probably say for Chenay, take away, taking, emulate some of her, like,

kind of like universal empathy and like just compassion for everybody. Like people always ask, ask, ask from her. And she'll always give people 100% back. Like, I think at times I can find myself, you know, people ask me, asking, I'm like, hey, you know, hold up. I need a minute. Like, Chenet, it's never that she's always willing to help and just, just like be there for everybody, regardless of how busy she is.

She'll maybe be like, hey, I need to get back to you. but she's just always empathetic to everyone's situation. So I think that'd be something, I would say. And alleviate? Yep. Elivate is like such a nice word for this question. I know. I mean, like alleviate. I would say alleviate, like, growing up, we started playing basketball at the age of 10,

and I went into high school and then went into college and then got into the pros. And I'm just now, like, at the age of, you know, 26, 27, now I'm 28, like, tapping into living, right? like choosing to do things on my own for myself. So if it's alleviate, I would hope that she can also like experience life and not just let it happen and then look back and be like, whoa, like I did a lot of great stuff, but like did you do it? Were you present? Were you in the moment? So I'm just hoping that she, if I can alleviate anything, it's like the pressure that she probably feels being the youngest and choosing a really difficult path and just to enjoy life. because your girls out here, like, you know, 28, got Nigerian African parents, like,

what is your husband? Like, what are you doing? And I was like, mom, but you saw I was in school and I was like, what? I'm like, behind the curve on this is. And went from no boyfriends to, why aren't you married like that? Bam. So, like, I want her to have fun and to be young and to tap into life in a way that I wasn't really. I didn't, I chose not to.

I can't think of anything that heartfelt. But I would probably say alleviate just injuries, you know, I hope she's done with injuries. Thank you. Everyone in our family has been blessed. Yeah, have been blessed kind of with not experiencing, like, too many severe injuries. Like, yes, there's been, like, concussions and, like, I think neck has been, like, sick before.

But, like, she's had legit Achilles injuries, knee injuries that have taken her out for, like, a long time. So, you know, that's probably something that I'd want to alleviate for the rest of her professional career. Thanks. Appreciate that, my dog. No more injuries. Yeah. Knocking on wood. Yeah.

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