Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Chris and Matt D'Elia

Episode Date: April 22, 2020

On this episode of "Sibling Revelry," Kate and Oliver are joined by Chris and Matt D'Elia. They talk about comedy and podcasting; they each have their own show: ”Congratulations with Chris D' Elia" and "Matt D'Elia Is Confused" and share funny stories from childhood, including how they were bribed to not fight and a time when Chris defended Matt from bullies, power ranger style.(NOTE: Recorded and released before sexual misconduct allegations.)Executive Producers: Kate Hudson, Oliver Hudson, and Sim SarnaProduced by Allison BresnickEditor: Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is brought to you by Cloud10 and powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Helix.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry. That's good. So today, not today, right now, right? Well, no, but today, the one that we're sharing. Right.

Was Chris, Chris and Matt DeLia. Chris and Matt DeLia. We recorded this pre-quarantine. Chris has a, he has a new comedy special out on Netflix called No Pain, which is hilarious. It was so fun hanging out with those guys. Chris and I actually have maintained a relationship. It's not physical yet. But, and you know, he just had a new baby.

Oh, they did? When did he have the baby? Oh, maybe five weeks ago, six weeks ago, something like that. I'm not sure. But he sent me the funniest fucking. video of his kid on this lamb and they're rocking him on the lamb and he's crying and then not crying and Chris is doing this commentary on it very very funny oh gosh he's a happy he's a he's a happy man a happy new dad that was exciting it was exciting talking about that with him you know

chris is a very like straight guy you know i was a perception of him that he's like drinks and smokes like a partier yeah does coke real clean super never even had a drop of alcohol in his life. No, which I was shocked. It was just great. It was great to get to know them. And Matt was awesome. Yeah. You know, Matt's the cool brother. Sorry, Chris. He's cool. He's the cool guy. He's the cool guy. Yep. Yep. Chris is the goofy. The goofy one. No, but they were just great. I loved every second of it. There's also, which we don't want to spoil, but Chris had a really funny story about Paa and MySpace. Oh, and MySpace.

That's an amazing. It's such a great story. That could be one of the great stories so far on our show. Well, at least, at least like something bringing home to our family. Yeah, for us. Oh, my God. Anyway, we love talking to these boys. Guys, we know you're going to enjoy this one.

Oh, and I do, I just want to say we hope everybody is doing well and we are sending our love and just hope you guys are hanging in there. and yeah enjoy enjoy so when you do your podcast chris do you are do you just fucking talk yeah i mean do you have any sort of concepts honestly sometimes sometimes i will write down stuff during the week uh and i'll get to like six topics and i'll be like okay that's enough because i don't know if you know anything about my stuff like i'll milk some shit for a long time and sometimes like to a fault i don't snapchat anymore but i followed you on snap i had a fun i had fun with that for a while and and and i and i and i kind of got that from yeah yeah i just keep doing it

but then i then i then i used to make me laugh i used to yeah it's really fun but then but then once once it's over it's i'm like all right i you know i covered that and i don't like i don't like uh so i i'm actually surprised that i like still doing podcasting but also it became a business you know and now you make money doing it and now my goal is to to not do uh to i always want to do the road but to not have to do it you know what i mean but but but to answer what your question is yeah sometimes i have six topics and like last week i had one topic and i was just like all right we'll see and you just riffed yeah just riff and i think i've stopped i said yo guys let's take a break because i got i think i've done that twice in like 160 episodes i like that though i mean obviously people enjoy

listening to you know what i mean because if you can't hold an audience then you're not gonna i i always i think it's weird like my dad is from a different generation right and he said to me he was like hey some people i saw online they like your podcast better than your stand-up how how is that possible and i was like yeah it's funny right because you work so hard on the stand-up and but but then i think people just like the rawness and we live in a time where it's like people don't give a fuck about even the movie that you're in they want to see you yeah doing makeup ready for the movie yeah it's all it's weird the fucking buzzword of the century

and now is authentic to us. It's also Bill Maher said something that I thought was really funny which was what does this say about our culture that we literally either have an attention span of like 10 seconds

or we sit and listen to a podcast for three hours. It's so funny. It's weird. No, but it's true though because you know you have a persona on stage. I mean it's you have a lot there's a lot of energy coming out of you.

When you're doing your podcast people can actually sort of see the real Chris Conan especially his is my favorite by the way oh yeah oh yeah oh really i haven't heard it yeah oh dude it's so good no it's very popular it is it's great because Conan does his wacky crazy shit on his show but now you get to see him totally real totally doing his thing so you like that because of that I do it was nice to see sort of oh this is who he really is you know what I mean it's true isn't it like like what I'm doing right now I'm sitting here we're talking but then like if you put a camera and I had to like show up right it's like a different vibration i guess well let's go back let's talk about yeah let's start

from the beginning but where were you born the whole deal we were born in uh new jersey i was born first uh he was born in livingston too at that same hospital i don't know the town you're i know that jersey yeah yeah we have an uncle viny so pretty a time yeah and then we're how old were you when we moved we were there i was there until i was 10 i think do you remember the first house? The first house? No, no. You don't. Oh, you don't remember? Not at all. So how old? Three and half? Three and a half. It's like you guys, right? Yeah, yeah. So that's the age difference. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you, you were brought home. Oh, so. So you left, you left and moved into another house. Yeah, I guess so. I was like, I wasn't even two yet. I think, yeah, we were like there for four or five years, but I remember it. I remember

that house specifically. I remember like, there was like, there were, I remember storms there where it was like oh we got a you know yeah the rain is coming and then also i remember um you there i remember you bringing you home yeah um how did you feel about that i was about to ask that you know what how was that moment how do you know why don't you interview him how did you don't feel about my entry into the world so i don't remember uh feeling any kind of jealousy but i do remember i don't remember that not to say i didn't feel that way but i i remember uh someone getting me a gift when he was born i think oh yeah this grandpa or something or i think my mom got i did the same shit with my kids by yeah okay so and they gave it to me and i was like

why are you giving me this like and they were like and i knew oh they don't want me to feel left out i remember thinking that at three and a half or whatever wow and uh and did you yeah yeah even as a I was like, I don't, I don't need a shit. Yeah. And I remember what they gave me, too. They gave me a he-man guy, a ramman. That's a pretty cool. That's a good gift.

It was a cool gift for me, yeah. Did they say it was from your baby brother? This is from your baby brother. You called him out, though. You were like, this is not a legit gift. That's right. I did. That's the story is that I said, that's right.

I forgot about that. I said, you just got me this because he's here now. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's what mom says. Yeah. And were you upset?

Was there ever any time when you guys got older and he was like three or four where you were just like, all right, you've taken my. No, I don't remember that. I always, our film is real close. We're real lucky. I always felt like loved, man. There is videos of us early, like on Christmas morning were like, you, he was always good, a good older brother. Like, he would protect me around other shithead kids, like always. But around just us, like he would bang me into the wall and like, there's a video though on Christmas morning.

it's so funny when we're like super excited and we're clamoring like through a doorway like to get into where the presents were yeah and he just like absolutely drills me in the head with with his elbow i didn't mean to i know he didn't mean to but he does do it i don't even know if i did and i my head happens to be right up against where like the door and the handle are you know and i'm just like and i don't move i don't miss a beat with a smile but like he's just trying to mow past me but we didn't we didn't like stop and linger on fights we were always kind of like that's great actually i remember this is when we're already in california but we used to talk about punching him punching him in the face like i really wanted to punch him in the face and and

he was like you better not do you better not do it eventually you got of age where you were like if you can punch me in the face for for five bucks yeah and i and i and then when he when he made the offer when he made the offer i was like just so like such a masculine energy like i just want to hit you in your face but for like the brother to respond with yeah but then but then I was like oh wait now I can do it right do I really want to do this right yeah I have the money I have the money I'm good for it you know I mean but like I don't I don't know if I want to hit my brother right but then we got into a fight one day like a wrestling thing yeah whatever and like I I guess I got mad I took it too far we're rolling right it was on a bed I was on your beds you have the two twin

beds and I hit him in the face and his he was already rolling off the bed and he fell off the side of the bed and I was I saw my life flash in front right I was like he's going yeah to kill me and it was the one time actually I was like I don't even want to run because my life's over like I'm going to be a piece with this right let's just take it yeah yeah yeah and so I just wait and I freeze and I he pops his head up uh up from uh past the bed and he just goes five bucks and I was it so he immediately goes okay yeah goes and gets it give me five I was so... I think it was 10, but yeah.

I might have been 10, yeah. How old were you guys? I was like 10. Yeah, and I must have been 13. Yeah, it was like right when we were... Oh my God, when my boys were... This was like maybe three or four years ago. My boys are 12 and 9 right now.

They were jumping off this bed, off our bed, onto a bean bag. And I'm in the room, which made me more mad that he would do it just right in front of me blatantly, at least fucking hide it. But my little one stands up there and goes flying off and wilder was my old one just pulls the bean bag out onto like hard wood oh my god evil oh god i was what and how old were they so mad oh man he was like did it

did you have a moment to reflect on your own how you were yeah as an older brother they probably didn't get how dangerous no you know it's it's it's he didn't i don't think i think he was trying to be funny and it backfired on him my sons fight all the time but in comparison to how Oliver and I were it's like nothing like they're doing great

we talk about all the time she was just performing all the time and it drove me crazy right right right you know just like just be real first just be normal just be normal in the meantime it worked out you couldn't handle that's what I'm saying

but I say it all the time she owes me I know I know but you're right I couldn't handle the shine right yeah my little jealous performative abilities my parents were that turned into my dad would always be like shut the fuck up go to bed and now i'm i was like oh now i make

money at it you fucking you were wrong were you always cracking jokes and were you always like looking at the bigger picture of both yes there's no way with with you with you specifically you were basically doing stand-up when you were a kid for us yeah i mean there were times as as you said our dad would be like shut the fuck up and go to bed because he I I have memories of being in their bed in between them watching him You have to remember this The dumb pull-up bar thing you would do

Okay, he would take the pull-up bar that he had Between the door You know the one that you'd stick between the doorways And it comes apart into two pieces He would pretend he was like a martial artist with his swords And do like a thing And then end up hitting himself and like cutting himself And the joke was that he would try to keep going

Even though he was bleeding with him. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I forgot that was the bit Which is hilarious Yeah, yeah, yeah Oh, that was the bit. But you repeated your jokes? Oh, yeah.

Were you the kind of person who, like, when you were a little, this is what my son does, is like, I'll hear him, like, he'll work a joke on me to see if I laugh. And then I'll hear him telling someone else the same joke. Oh, yeah. The more refined version of it? Right. He's like, got it down and I'll hear, and I'll, oh, that might be a little stand-up comedian.

Yeah, I would do the same thing. I would be like, okay, I did it to Sean already. I'll try it to, like, yeah, someone else. and then see if my dad thinks it's funny and I'm at, yeah, 100%. I always want to be a stand-com comedian. You always have those stories. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Those stories that keep going to keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so funny. You were like, I'm going to be a stand-up comedian. I remember my dad tells a story about when we were watching, he was watching a Jerry Lewis movie and I was playing with my toys

and then I looked up at Jerry Lewis and he was making all these crazy faces and my dad was laughing. and I and my dad said I stopped playing with the toys and I looked at my dad and I said hey dad that this guy that's his job to do this and my dad said yeah and I and I watched for a little longer and then I turned to him and I said and like he makes money doing that like that's how he makes money and my dad said yeah actually he makes a lot of money doing that and then my dad said I went like this huh and he always remembered that moment and now he was he thinks of it as that was the moment where like i processed that i could do that and then that's when i was like okay cool like i really went being being funny and do you remember like your first bit uh over and over again no but i remember one time we were in a car and we had a um my dad's friend's name was bob uracola and i and i remember i had this in my head ready to go and i was

like hey what i mean it was really little meaning this is not funny and uh and i said hey Hey, Uncle Bob, we used to call him. I said, what's your, what's your last name? Oh, what's your name? And he said, oh, I'm Bob Euracola. And I said, well, I'm Chris seven up because he's, colas and his life was young. And of course, my parents laughed because I was young. But I remember thinking, oh, that's so cool.

I made them laugh. Now, did you have any of that? Yeah, you definitely did. I mean, our parents are both extremely funny and always being funny. And then you were doing that too. and then I I think just by default I became sort of the one

who would listen and soak it up but outside of my family I'm the one that is that is that you know but around them I'm like this is too much to even mess with but let's talk about your parents for a second you grew up in a showbiz family

my dad's in the biz still mom is an interior decorator she was in TV before When you were born, she was still working in ABC News. Oh, right, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And what did she do? She was an analyst for ABC News?

I don't know. Actually, yeah. I should know, but I don't. And it was 40 years ago. Yeah, yeah. But your dad produces television? My dad produces stuff, yeah, he's doing a show now. He does a lot of TV.

He works with David Kelly a lot. And he's doing another show with David Kelly now and John Stamos. How does he doesn't hire you? He's hired me once or twice. I've hired him more than he's hired me. Right. You directed it through your specials, right? And I fired him on the last one and hired him.

You did not. Yes, I did, yeah. Best decision you ever made, yeah. Yeah, no, I just directed his special. He directed my last special. That comes out soon. Oh, cool. And I told my dad right there, I was like, hey, dad, I got to tell you, I'm doing another special.

I'm going to shoot in Minneapolis, Minneapolis, and you're fired. And he goes, what the fuck? And I said, I turned a mat and I said, and you're hired. And my dad goes, oh, that's awesome. It's the happiest he's ever been to be fired. He's like, that's the best firing ever. That's great. So when you were little, was dad always working and on sets?

Did you grow up on sets? So, yeah. So when we were still in New Jersey, he made an independent movie based on a Thomas Berger novel called The Feud. And it was, yeah, 88, I think. And he quit doing what he was doing, which was directing commercials in New York to make that movie. He went broke, making the movie. But it got him hired doing TV. So we're still in New Jersey.

And he's out here all the time working. He was doing like 90210. stuff like that. Duke Houser. As a director, TV director. Yes, TV director. Okay.

Awesome. And so he was just always out here more and more and he was like, I got to. The shows of our childhood. Oh, you know, it's true.

Did you get to meet all those people when you were little? It was so cool. Yeah, I think it was 902. 92, we moved out here. And that was when the, I think, because he started, he was one of the main directors

of Northern Exposure, which was like a show that like people were really into. And so that kind of got him to be like, okay, I got to move out to. Were you in sixth grade? I think. I was in,

I was going into seventh grade. Yeah, because that's where the middle school started here. Yeah, yeah. It started in sixth grade on the East Coast, I think.

So we moved out here, and I remember I had my hair style that was like Luke Perry. I was like, it was like up and everyone always... I used to call him ledge head. Yeah, you used to call him ledge head. Because it was like you could...

I used to say they filmed cliffhanger on his head. Yeah, you did used to say. That was a good joke. Yeah, that was a good joke. You mean the Slice Stallone movie? The Slice Stallone movie on his head. By the way, I love that movie. It's a good movie, yeah.

I didn't like that, that you called me that. You didn't like that. It bothered him a lot when I called him ledge head. Ledge head. Yeah. Did you guys, have you guys got so fucking annoying? It wasn't, dude. Wait.

You're just citing what you're looking at. It was just a ledge and it was on your head. Yeah, but then why is this fucking Luke, why was the Luke Perry ledge head then, dude? He was. Okay, but you never said. I have to kind of, I have to see what this. He had his hair go up. It was in the same room at the time.

It was different. It was very throwback to like 50s. No, it was in a perfect leg. It had to be like a mesa. He's like a mesa head. Oh. It could be a mesa head. Or table.

I don't know. You're fucking supposed to be mesa head. So you've got your mesa head going on. You moved to Los Angeles. It was fucking cool, dude. It was cool. It was cool. You moved to L.A.

Because dad was really working here all the time. Where'd you go to high school? Lock, Lackena, high school. So you were in the valley. And one time Luke Perry said, hey, man, you got cool hair. knew he did it because dad said my son does this here and I was like I was like thanks you don't have to do that anyway go ahead it's just like with the president he doesn't want anything that's not genuine I don't want just like with the present when I came home now Luke Perry's fucking

making me trying to make me placate me get the fuck I was so like a 14 year old I'm like all right so are you sure are you sure your dad said say hey there's no fucking way there's no way the way he did it dude I can read in defense of Luke Perry you had the same hair as him I know So he liked your hair, even if he was put up to it. By the way his face was doing it, right, right, right, right. Also, the hair doesn't look really cool in a 14, or looks cool in a 21-year-old hour. So you admit it. Are you good like that, though?

Can you really seek out the genuine from the sort of dishonest? I've always had a fear of people not be, my, you know what my nightmares? I was joking about my nightmare. You know, my nightmares? My true nightmare, my number one nightmares, people think I'm a way that I don't realize I'm being. Dude, like, like, like, if, you know, the guy who thinks who comes in a room and is like oh i'm i'm the shit girls like me and you're just

that guy and you're like bro yeah you're not even close you don't know what you're like you don't know what your face is work out more right like be better be better yeah and that guy's like girls like me yeah that's why honestly one of the reasons why i love being a comedian is because some people like sometimes i'm joking being a douche and people are like you douche and i'm like okay you don't get it you know but like if I was actually that guy like no days off or whatever the fuck you know what I mean that guy's terrible

that guy is like what are you doing dude nobody likes that guy nobody likes that guy doesn't like that guy the guy who's saying it doesn't like himself what does that even mean no days off pretty much means all of the days are off right all of the days off it's pretty much

help me yeah that's really funny That's really funny. Okay, so you moved to L.A., you had a lot of Kenyatta high school. Did you? Yeah, I was just kind of, he did. I did, yeah. I was, I was an athlete for sure.

He was a pitcher at college. He played baseball. I played basketball up until sophomore year, and then I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I'm not going to be in the NBA. Fuck this. That's how I would be. I'd be like, I'm not, it's not fun enough to keep doing it.

I would only do this to be making money at some point. I'm six foot two. I'm not that good. Fuck it. You already knew where you were going to make money. And were you guys tight in high school, even though you were separate and in different grades? Yeah, we were.

Yeah. Like you would come together at lunch and all that. You would like... Well, so I was in... We only had one year where we were in the same. Oh, that's it. He was nine. I was 12.

Got it. But you were always super... He was always really protective of me. Like, when I needed him to be an older brother, like... If I was like... I mean, there were times even when I was younger where you would like... There was this,

Dude, there was, I won't mention his name. Probably doesn't matter, but yeah. Yeah, I'm still, no, I'm still scared. He just probably does it. He's still scared. He does real estate. He says at his desk, he hears this, and he's like, fucking madman. Okay, so, but the guy, okay, you guys aren't going to believe me.

That's a good start, like a short. Totally, totally, yeah. You guys will not believe me, but this kid was insane. He was insane. Was six two in fourth grade. He was insanely big. Really? It was so fucking weird.

he was that tall and he was as big as as an adult who was that tall right he was dude you'd see him you'd see him you'd see him in your class and you'd be like oh come on right yeah what is this shit what isn't real what the fuck is this person the hulk yeah why are you not green yeah like that's what you yeah totally so so something happened we're like actually don't remember what the thing was I don't remember either we were pulled up me and my mom my mommy and my daddy pulled up in the fuck to pick me in the parking lot to pick you up and this kid roughed you up in a in a some sort of way not in a he wasn't Matt what I don't know what it was but oh he picked you up and threw you down is what he did okay yeah and then you grabbed a water bottle and threw it on his fucking head sick up to his head hell yeah yeah and it's good and I and my dad said and my dad said are you fucking kidding me and unbuckled his seatbelt and I just instinctually said dad no yeah because that's going to be embarrassed way better for you to do yeah I was like I'll do it and my dad I was proud, I could tell you, really?

Yeah. And I said, yeah. Also, I was like, what if this kid beats the shit out of my dad? He was way bigger than you. Way bigger than him. But I was like, let me just, at least it's less embarrassing if he beats the shit out of me. If he's like, yo, I beat the shit at Matt's dad. Right, that's fair, yeah.

I couldn't have that going on at Palm Cressel. It was possible. He could have beat the shit out of dad. Right, right, right. So I was that big. So I was like, bigger than my dad. Yeah. So I'll do it.

So I'll do it. My dad's big. So I'll do it. So I walk up. And as I walk up, now, as I walk up to this kid, this kid's getting way bigger, right? Because he's getting closer. And I'm like, what the fuck am I doing?

Now, I didn't realize how funny it seemed to my dad because I must have been looking like I was getting a lot smaller as he was going, right? So now I'm in the car. I'm in the car by now. Chris goes to handle the business while I'm in the car. And I'm like, holy shit, this is sick. Look at what my brother's doing for me. Did you have a plan of what you were going to say?

I was clear. But he got up to him and I was like, wow, he's so much bigger than. Chris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, just straight, straight up vertically. Yeah. And I was like, I'm just going to tell him not to do it. And I walk up and say, hey, man, don't fucking do that to my brother. Like, you know, whatever it was, it was super 80s, whatever I said, like super like in an 80s after school thing. I was like, don't, you don't do that to my brother, man. You're too much bigger than him. And like, or you're going to have a problem with, you're going to have a problem with me. You know what I mean? And he was, but he was like, oh, okay. Because I was

older. Only because I was older. And then I remember walking on. And then I remember walking on. off and Jeff Hull was there, I think, and everyone was like, yeah, Chris, like, because they were, it was like the, the thing, the witch is dead, you know what I mean? And they were like, finally, this guy. And, uh, and I walked off and I didn't, and I was like, don't look back, don't look back. Because what if I was like, he might come after me and he didn't. He didn't. And I remember this was so dumb. And even after I did it, I realized it was so dumb, but I looked, I go like this. And I said, Power Rangers. You did? Yeah, I did do that. I did say that. Yeah. I thought it would be funny

and I thought it would lighten the mood. I'm sorry, what? I did. I thought it would light in the mood. This is not the ending I remember. I did do that. I did do that. We should just change that ending.

No. You know, honestly, I don't want you to change it because that's the truth. I like that. I don't remember that all. And as soon as I did it, I probably shouldn't have done that, but I tried to make go for like the light,

I tried to make it light. Right. By the way, I think that's a good joke. It's a pretty good thing. It was fine. I like that. It was fine. It's kind of funny.

I don't have any memory. Yeah, no, I definitely did that. Oh, I wouldn't forget that. I definitely wouldn't make it up, I'll tell you that. Yeah, that same six foot two, fourth grader was the dumbest kid I've ever met in my life. He did this thing that he, I mean, kids are such idiots. We went to Valley Ford. And he was in my group.

It was like, we were in a group of eight. We all do everything together and we were eating. And he was doing that dumb trick that no one, that no one likes this trick where they twist, they untwist the thing of the salt. Fucking hate that. It's never funny. No one ever liked it. untwist the top, waits for our other friends to come back, and he's being such an idiot about it, like, did you want to try the salt? And everyone just knows the dumb trick he's doing.

Five minutes past. Who's that excited about salt? No way. And I'm like, I know. I'm like, Austin, you should put a little bit of salt on that. And he's like, okay. And you can see in his face, as he's reaching for it, I'm like, oh wait, he doesn't remember the trick he did and he's going to do it to himself. Oh my God. And he poured salt on his food and the color drained from his face and he realized that he had done it to himself. It was the dumbest thing. Weird. Did he grow more?

Yes, way more. He's huge. He's like 6'10. Have you guys gotten along all your life? I say yeah, but he says, you know, I just asked you this. Yeah, I know. You got mad at me. You're bringing up a lot of shit that we just talked about.

Cliffhanger and I texted him the other day. I texted him the other day and I said, when did we become like close friends again later? Because we were when we were kids. What you texted me was when did we become friends? and I didn't know what the fuck you meant because that's a very weird thing to text your brother out of the bloke.

I meant again though. I thought somebody got your phone. Did you? You forgot to write again. Yeah, I did forget to write again. And then I was like, what are you talking about? I didn't understand what was happening. And then I was like, what are you talking about?

And he was like, come friends again. And I was like, I was always your friend. And he was like, no. And then I remember, I think what you meant was what? What I meant was there was a summer to give context to this. There was a summer where our mom was so upset with us for fighting all the time that she offered us some money. She offered us $75, which was huge dollars. Was it that much money? Wow. Huge money. That's like you hit me in

the face seven times. Yeah, right, right. But you were like 16. I was 13. It was like peak fighting time. And she was like, it was like in May. She was like, if you can go the whole summer without fighting, I will give you each $75. And we were like, oh, my God, we're going to do it. We were in cahoots. We were like, we're never going to fight. If we do it, mom cannot be. Yeah, we had like a side conversation we're like man we could do this right literally we're going to make this money your enemy of your enemy is my friend or whatever right right right yeah literally four hours later we're like screaming at each other in the back of the car and my mom's like well you're not getting the 75 throes we're like oh shit we forgot so there was a period where we wouldn't we couldn't stop

fighting but i do this is what i remember when you moved out immediately i was like i want to talk to chris on the phone i miss chris whereas i didn't have anything to compare it to you were just always there. So I didn't really know it was a thing that was ever not going to be true because when you're 13

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I went to NYU for one year that's right he went to Tish so hold on when you moved when he moved how was yeah he did yeah he we're all

NYUers I actually deferred and I never went back I didn't end up going he went to Tish for a year I went to Tish for three and a half years you did

I did graduate. I graduated. I went to Boulder. I did nothing. He just drank. He drank and learned his social security number. I did. I learned my social, which is actually, it's great. What is it? Give it out of it. You still know it? Yeah. It's all there. That's good. It's all there. Every time someone asked me for my social security number, I go, oh, wait, I know it. Yeah. Like, every time I'm like, I'm not going to, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so interesting. So wait, Matt, when you, when, when Chris left, what, I mean, was that tough or? It was a lot quieter. but it was it was kind of it was tough it was just really strange to to because we were so

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mean like it's like how bad i was but was it age appropriate no no not at all it was like 12 below grade level well in that sense yes but it was not age appropriate in the sense that it was like i was 12 trying to write about adults all right you know i mean like who were like having sex when i hadn't even kissed a girl yet yeah yeah and it's just like he goes to his job it's so it's hard yeah it's so incongruous you know but yeah i was i always knew i wanted to be a writer in some capacity um but yeah i also was always was always was was playing baseball all the time as well and then when i went to NYU i actually had to decide to stop playing baseball because i was they wanted me to play there for their

division three whatever uh team but i just didn't want to and then you just then you just took writing yeah just yeah exactly yeah and then that was it and what about you because when did you actually step on a stage for the i was it was actually later i so i wanted to do stand-up always but i thought it was just i was too scared and so i was like i'm gonna just be a i'm gonna write and i'm to be an actor and then then I'll go in to stand up the back doorway which is such a bad idea but I didn't know that then yeah I was just like who knows you don't understand if you don't know and then I just would you know I I I sold a script and then I or I option one and then I and then I'm and then I got a few roles here and there but just kind of like out of loss I was like okay I got to

get on stage I was 25 and I was like I'm never gonna I got to do this at least let me take control you know because you know as an actor you're waiting for parts and shit so uh so i got on stage and then i was like oh all right i can just do this what was the first what was the first stage you it was at the ha ha ha cafe in north hollywood you were where you were you there no but you was a new it was january first one it was january second i read this it was january second yeah it wasn't actually the new year's resolution yeah right january second uh 2005 did you tell anybody you were doing it i think i probably told a few people yeah what you were doing it with our other friends.

Yeah, oh, yep, we were doing it with Chris Mocko and he, yeah, he did it for three months and then was like, I'm not gonna do this. And I was like, oh, I'm just gonna keep doing it, yeah. Do you remember your opening joke? I remember, yeah, yeah, I think so. I think it was my, well, I don't remember my first opening joke for that time,

but my first, like, show opening joke was like three months in. I was like, was about the show 24, was about how, like, yeah, I loved it. And it was about how like Jack Bauer was so, important so everything was and needed to be done immediately and I would put him in the situation where he's like he's getting his haircut he was like I need a haircut now it was just so but uh yeah that was the joke that was the joke do you go weird you get dark and like kind of self no no no no i actually talk about this in my next in my special coming out it's like people are

always like they people romanticize it you know like comedy comes from pain you know and uh I don't I don't think it has, it doesn't. If it can, you know what I mean? When I started coming up as a comedian, I like had to remind myself, like people when they started, you know, I've listened to you and it, you know, they'd say this to all, you know, they say, oh, you know, I went through a depression or whatever and I was listening to you and it helped or whatever it is, you know.

And you're like, oh, yeah, I guess people's lives are a lot different than everyone else's and mine. And just because I had it good doesn't mean everyone had it good. And, you know. you know the typical because you don't even drink right you don't drink you're pretty so i i feel like never right never you've never even had one drink oh that's fucking crazy yeah i can vouch for that we were in italy when we were i was like 14 we were still in high school no i was 19 okay yeah i was still in high school and we went to some bar as i was like 15 so excited to go to a bar i already drank yeah

yeah and i was like let's go drink somewhere yeah and he was like obviously i'll go with you because he didn't care than I did, but he, do you remember this? You got a beer and you took a sip and you didn't swallow and it looked like you just saw the devil and you like stood up real fast and ran to the bathroom and came back and I was like, what the fuck? And you spit it out of your mouth. You don't remember that?

I don't remember that. Why do you think, I mean, why do you think? Oh, well, why I did that? No, no, no, I'm just saying generally, generally, you know, why you don't drink or smoke weed or anything like that i you know i understand trying to stay focused and sharp started out as i was scared i'm sure like i didn't want to be under the influence or something like that that's how it started you know i used to watch like the batman the old batman the adam west when they re re showed it in the 80s and all like the laughing gas stuff and shit scared the shit out of me

yeah the green fucking gas and and i took under the influence as the umbrella of it that that's what that was you know so when people started drinking i also never wanted to do anything that everybody was doing i never that always was like why the fucks everybody doing that that's got to be weird so whenever in high school people were like drinking's the thing i was like all right i'll wait it out if i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do my own time you're not gonna make me do this shit right so i've always been like that i also things like that like drinking for the first time sex for the first time whatever it is i don't uh do it until i regret that there was a time that i haven't done it you understand what i'm saying like like the time i knew i was ready for sex is uh i could have had sex and i didn't

and then afterwards i was like i should have done that it's like going in and you're gonna buy that jacket like nah and then you leave and you're like i want it to buy that jacket then you know you go get the jacket right then you go get the jacket right but instead of buying it and regretting it rather rather you know you're saying you never have you have the regret first yes you don't have the regret after so i just with all those things mixed in together i just with all those things mixed in together. I just didn't I never really was like I should have I never felt like a missed out never cared never wanted to do your parents drink no I mean my mom didn't drink when we were kids uh not that she was sober anything she just didn't now now she'll have a glass of wine

my dad always drank but not you know he was never drunk I mean I remember the one time he was drunk he picked me up wearing a fucking beret for some reason yeah and my mom was driving he was in the passenger seat he picked me up from julia yunt's house we had just seen Titanic and we were like making out for like the first time ever and and my dad he was in the passenger seat and he kept giving me a high five from from that's so fun even even where i was annoyed i was like stop making wow right right and my mom was like your father's drunk and he's like i'm not drunk she's like why are you wearing the fucking beret then she had a point that's so funny that is so funny i'm jealous though dude your body's so clean yeah yeah yeah for in that respect from just following you on

Snapchat, I could have sworn that some of those times you were wasted. Well, it's funny because we've known each other a little bit in the past, and everyone says we'll look like, we look like... I know, it's so funny. You guys so fucking crazy. The amount of times that I get... Oh, you know, Chris DeLeo? I'm like, I know. We look like each other. He goes, yeah, you guys are just like a lot.

I get it all the time. But anyway, my point is, is that I think there's this persona about you when people see you... Yeah, you guys all look like you could be related. I know. Just like the weird Italian... When people see you or they have a perception of who you are. that is not really like who you are yeah yeah you know or what's inside yeah people think i do coke yeah people think i do all the drugs and i'm just so i go out and party i just don't i don't

i don't go out i do my show i go eat and then i go home i don't i don't i don't know i don't know i never been like that do you go to bed early no i don't do that's the comic life though yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah on the road and i'll do a show i'll do two shows it'll end at 1230 and then i'm buzzing and then you know what's your what's your come down just honestly what I do is I get room service with either my opener and we just laugh and watch forensic files and shit and then we just yeah do you remember we used to watch infomercials at like 3 a.m that's what we would come down when I was coming up you were so annoying about it yep I would want to go to bed so bad and he'd be like we gotta watch infomercials and I was like it was so funny could you know what I like it is because they're so inauthentic they're so not genuine right but they're also so persuasive yeah well sure like how many times that's their whole job right how many times have you wanted to get something i got one thing one time and it was the the shark it was a vacuum and it was a piece of shit oh really i never i never bought one thing neither the best part is the acting that's what's good that's what's good but the best is

you will get a guy that that's his job and you'll see him this is the best invention and then in a year he'll be like this is the best invention and you're like this guy just keeps finding the best inventions or he's full of shit. Kurt loves infomercials. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, imagine watching infomercials with him. That would be hilarious.

You would love them more than anything. He'd be going to sleep by back. No, no, no, no, no. Wake up, wake up. You sell real estate on this way. I just remembered something. Speaking of fucking Kurt Rosso, do you remember on MySpace when you made that fucking...

Oh, I gotta tell you guys this. This is the best shit ever! I got to tell you guys this. I haven't thought about this in fucking years. Oh my God. This was one of the funniest thing. We've ever experience I've ever done.

This is funny. All right. All right. So, my space was big. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, it was 2007. Everyone was always so annoying. You can put me in the top eight. You can put me in the top eight. Oh my God, I forgot about that too.

I don't know nothing about MySpace. I didn't get into my space. You don't need to. Really? You don't need to. No, I wasn't into social. It was also for musicians a lot.

I think at the time when it first started. Right. So my space was a big thing. You know, what it was. Yeah, of course, of course. The top eight would be like your friends

that you put, I guess young people don't know either. It would come on screen and it was the first eight friends on everyone's page that you'd see and it was like, who are your best friends? And you're top eight. So people were annoying and were like, you don't put me in your top eight. Like legitimately and you'd be like, bro, we're guys.

Like, what are you talking about? And adults. And adults, right? So I got annoyed at that, right? Because also, here's the other thing too. Top five you got. But then the last three, you'd be like, what the fuck do I put for six and seven and eight

this guy I guess is my friend you know what I mean it would be like flavor the month like I know that I've been really close with this guy and then they get knocked out and get upset right yeah well it's kind of like old school likes it's like how many likes do we get I mean now that's prologics yeah I had enough of it so what I did was

I thought I'm going to create profiles for my top eight and I created eight Kurt Russell profiles and I put them in my top eight so this way nobody could be mad. Yeah. I'm a comedian. It's funny. It's good. Yeah. Right. And

Wow. Wait, so Paul was your type was your top eight. He was my top eight. All different characters. All different pictures from him in different movies. They were all Kurt Russell though. They weren't like Snake Gliskin and bullshit. No, no, it was just Kurt Russell, Kurt Russell, Kurt Russell, Kurt Russell, all my top of it. Okay. Oh my God. That's amazing. Well, I've got it. I haven't thought about this since it happened. Yeah, it doesn't exist anymore. I don't think so. So, so

So what you had to do was to create a profile. It was. You had to have a legit email to create a profile, just like anything else. So you created eight Kurt Russell emails? No, a new email. It wasn't a currustle email. It was just a bullshit email. I'd be like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, ba, blah, at AOL.

At AOL. At Lycos. Likeos was the thing. I don't remember back that it was a search of net scape.com. So I realized after like a month or two, I was like, oh, these profiles. Oh, by the way, you'd go and look at the Kurt Russell profiles. The only friend Kurt Russell would have was me. Right?

Because I wasn't like making a real profile. I just thought it looked funny on my page to say to the Russell eight times. You weren't trying to trick anybody. I was not trying to trick anybody. It was just a joke. It was very obvious that this was a fucking joke. And that Kurt Russell didn't have my space. Okay?

It definitely didn't have eight myspaces. All right? All right. So anyway, I realized a month and I was like, oh, I made all these profiles. I was like, why don't I check some of them? Hell yeah. So who knows, you know? So I check, no, but obviously everyone knows it's fake.

Yeah. One guy writes one of the Kurt Russell profiles. And he writes, hey man, can't believe you're on MySpace, your biggest fan. I'm from Italy. Yeah. Right? And I think that it's so cool and love all your movies. So I'm like, is this guy fucking?

Fucking joking, all right? So I don't do anything because I'm like, that's insane, dude. Another month passes, and I check it again, the same profile, not the other ones. Hey, man, just saying, I just saw whatever it was, movie, you're great. And I'm like, this fucking guy is joking with me, right? So I write back, ha, yeah, man, killing it or whatever. And he was like, oh, my God, you responded, how do I be in your next movie? movie.

This is the kiss of death. I'm like, so now I'm like, I'm trying to be an actor in Hollywood. I'm a stand-up comedian. I know how hard it is. And this motherfucker thinks he's going to live in Italy, message Kurt Russell on MySpace and get a movie part. So now I'm mad, okay? So I write back, okay, yeah.

As a matter of fact, I got a movie coming out soon and we're looking for parts. All right? Why don't you send an audition tape? No. Yeah, dude. To me on MySpace. And why don't you do the few good men monologue where he says, you can't handle the truth? No.

Yeah. Okay. Send it to my MySpace. Okay? We're all auditions go for Corruptomy. Right, of course. Yeah. I check it a week later, boom.

No. It's this Italian guy. Thanks so much for the opportunity. and he had sunglasses up because he didn't want me to see it's so that was the best part that was the best part because he didn't want me to see him looking right right right right right right right didn't even fucking memorize it this asshole dude people uproof their lives they moved to Hollywood yeah they have no fucking money they try to muscle in on the way to audition and this guy living in fucking Tuscany

was to just write Kurt Russell my space not memorize the fucking monologue when Kurt Russell as far as he knows gives him the opportunity of a fucking lifetime. Wow. He's going to read it. It doesn't deserve shit. It doesn't deserve it. It's a great point. It is.

People were like, oh, don't you feel bad? And I was like, fuck this Italian guy. This guy needs to learn, dude. Yeah. That is an amazing story. We were crying. That is. I've looked for it.

It was on YouTube. It was on YouTube. I've looked for it for years. I can't find it. Did you ever hit him back after the thing? Yeah. And it just kind of was like not as funny. But that was it. I mean, oh, fuck.

man. It was so funny. It was so fucking funny, man. That's just one of my favorites. Me too. I'm so fucking happy. I remember that shit. I haven't thought about that. I'm so glad you guys.

That is incredible. It was really funny. It would be great, though, if the story ended and he got the job. No, right. Or if it was just unreal. Yeah. So how old are we now? You're 39. Yeah.

36. You just directed. How was that working together, by the way? That was so fun. Yeah, it was the best. That was so, so, so. No, there was none. Everything was on the up and up.

Yeah, everyone always asked, even when my dad did this, there's none of that shit. We all just like have a blast. Is it a collaboration? Yeah, like Drew collaboration. Do you,

does Matt, do you say shit that you don't agree with and you know what I mean? Or anything like that as far as the director goes? He had some good notes and some good ideas and look wise. Look wise. It was just like, I like this.

Do you want to do that? And you were like, yeah. And what about this? It was like very simple. I don't, that's his job. It's funny because when you grow up together, you do actually grow up.

No, even if you're different people, you have similar taste. 100% yeah totally yeah like he was like what color you want the background and I was like purple or and he was like no purple's cool and then we kind of like made it kind of purple yeah yeah yeah and then but the cameras he was like if like if here's an example like he was like I want to get a low angle and I was like I don't know if that will look good but he probably knows it looks good I was like okay if that's what you think you know what I mean and it does it looks awesome yes but I don't you know I'm not the director so I don't right I if I if you went low on me I'd be like dude what's the chin like though yeah yeah yeah sure I would 100% Yeah, Ollie's got a chin thing. Yeah, I was like, make sure you don't do a double chin thing. You know what's cool, though? I mean, just watching you guys and hanging out with you right now is, again, I have got three kids, but I've got two boys. And they're best friends.

And they fight like you guys probably fight. It's just petty shit. But the greatest thing to watch is their sense of humors are so compatible. I mean, they are on the same page with their insanity. Man, that's awesome. And they have like a little smart humor, but it's also that goofy kid, right? but they're so right there and to hear when they when i put them to bed and i close the door i know they're going to rap and i hear them fucking losing oh that's amazing that's just like oh

it's got to be the best it's so good it just feels damn you know what i mean yeah so you guys i'm sure have that you know or did you share a bedroom together when you were kids did we we we did in new jersey when we came to california we finally had our own rooms but you would keep me up. Oh, that's right. I would come into your room. I would do the same thing. I would try to make him laugh. Yeah. Also, I would be like, hey, I would be scared. I'd be like, I'm at like, I'm at kill this spider. Like, I was a post. It was so fucking annoying. He would come in our room at like 2 a.m. 2 a.m. 3 a.m. and be like, Matt, Matt. I'm back the what. What? And he'd be like, I think I saw a spider. No way. Yeah. I was like,

congratulations, dude. Kill it or don't. Go back to bed. But he was like, you have to kill, you have to kill. You have to kill it. And I was like, I do. He would do it. You're older. he would do it yeah yeah and i would even be like i know i'm older but like just to yeah yeah i'll take care austin right you scratch my back i scratch yours yeah that's so he would kill it and i would go power rangers yeah that i remember yeah so what did you guys shoot this thing minneapolis minneapolis and how did you how do you choose your venue so i think i don't really care but there are there are there are comedians that are like no i don't want to do it here i'd rather do it here and it's it's comedy is just it's but aren't you trying to maximize laughs in anyway

so there is one thing that i will think of if i haven't been there in a while then that's good because then the people are jacked right right you know and i hadn't been in minneapolis in a long time yeah it'd have been like two years three years almost are people prepped meaning like you guys this is a show we're filming this one you're going to be on camera you're going to be laughing and what's the biggest stage you've ever you've ever been on for myself or not because when i did i did an oddball tour which was like a few years ago but like Louis C.K. Chappelle, they all did the shit. That was like 20,000

people. Oh, yeah, that's why. And was there 20,000 when you were on stage? How'd that feel? Honestly, like, it's like doing stand-up in a room alone. You're like, I don't know if I'm doing well. Yeah. Is this, is this what it sounds like when 20,000 people laugh? Yeah. Or not? Or is this 1,000 of them laughing? I have no fucking idea.

That's a good. People were getting thrown out, kicked out, beat up. I had no fucking idea. Wow. Once you get past three, thousand you know i do like three thousand now or to five thousand and and um people get thrown out i don't even know i don't know that they're getting thrown out right do you like doing smaller now i mean is it fun is there an intimacy that is nice about it or do you is there a sweet spot yeah i think the sweet spot for me is about 2000 like if i'm going to shoot a special which was in minneapolis i did i did 2000 is great for me because i have energy you know maybe somebody might be good if they did

you know 1,000 is good too the my last one man on fire which i think was the one that you were talking about earlier was that's the one that's the one was about 1200 i think when your family comes to watch are they still laughing yeah the hardest of anyone yeah it's really cute i hear go more than me like my parents still go all the time they went a few nights ago yeah and when you go are there things like i know for us like there's things that i would find funny that no one else would find funny and i'm laughing and no one else that's a great question a hundred percent often it's just me laughing and his big big killer jokes are the ones that i and i still do this even though he's been doing for so long i'm just like doing the thing where i'm just like looking at everybody out oh that's cute

yeah like it's i also will say and this is true of of i'm not like naturally a stand-up comedy fan until he became one and then i started to pay attention to a lot of his friends are my friends now too because i'm we're close and i'm friends a lot of comics i see a lot of comics do their work you see everyone bomb you see everyone do bad I've seen him way more than I've seen anybody else

I've never one time seen him seen you bomb yeah but the reason why I always say like I don't think a comedian is actually bombing unless he cares that he's bombing and I don't give a fuck dude and I won't

I won't do you don't if you fucking think if you're not gonna laugh then you're fucking wrong dude because I've done this shit before and like I won't allow that and I'm not bombing dude and then some and a lot of times

that makes people laugh right i mean yeah right so that's probably what you're yeah you also didn't you like do a tweet one time or something where you were like what was it you said something about how everybody i'm gonna find it i'm not sorry for in the jokes i ever made in my life i don't give a fuck what you think about it figure your own shit out if your feelings are hurt yeah that's the thing you kind of for comedy but how do you how do you when was that i don't know i pinned it it was a while ago but that's what i mean like how do you how do you deal with that today yeah it's a whole different world today i i say it does that stay that was about today true that's that was about today true that

That was about today. That was like about the moment. It was. It was. Okay. I just, the second you, I feel like the second you apologize for a joke,

you're, in a way, in a weird way, you're kind of admitting that there was some truth to it. And it's like, sometimes there's no truth to it. You're just fucking being silly.

You're making a joke, you know? And the world, I forget who said this. Some comedians said this, but it's, it's not, it's not, it's not comedian's job.

to change because you can't adapt to how we are. Yeah, or you don't like it. But here's the other thing. I'm not trying to hurt anybody. I'm just trying to make you laugh. And that's what comedians are trying to do. So that's a good thing. Yeah.

So if you're going to be mad at me trying to make you laugh. Yeah. That's your problem. Have you had to filter yourself at all in the last couple years? No. Just because of just the landscape of where we're living. I will say, I will say, comedy changes and what is funny changes you know if you look at laurel and hardy now i'm sure it wasn't

i don't know i haven't seen in a while but i'm sure my dad thinks it's hilarious i'm sure i would think he's a little less hilarious you know but um but then there's like bill hicks who's like you know a whole different category of comedian where it you know he i mean everything was a comment on politics yeah yeah you know i i do a very little of that just because it's not my my brand but like And I don't, you know, it's not my brain because I don't like, it's not what it charges me. But it changed a little bit. Like, like, I don't think it's funny. Some guys think it's funny to just be like, yeah, that bitch or this bitch about a woman.

And I don't think that that's funny. If you're on stage and you're like, bitch, please, you know what I mean? And that's the punchline, then I forgive it. Do you know what I mean? But it changed. Like, maybe that won't be funny to me anymore in, in a few years because there's been too much weirdness with men and women and now I'm like hey it's just not funny to me anymore you know but that happens yeah you know they say people who can laugh at themselves or people

who have a great sense of self-humor are the ones that really would that's how you would define a sense of humor interesting yeah well it seems like a lot of comedy even comes from self-deprecation yeah I think some comedians try to do that right and it's kind of annoying yeah like I'll call myself an idiot during my show a number of times and I think like I honestly have a feeling like I don't know I ever almost every show in my head I think like I can't believe you guys are fucking listening to me right I'm a piece of shit

like what am I talking about but but also I think but I know what's funny and this is what I think is funny so if you don't think it's funny fuck you so it's like a it's a combination of you have to be self-aware to be a comedian do you really not care what people think well no of course not but when it comes

when it comes down to it like I want people to like me I want people to laugh at my stuff I certainly don't want a bomb like I definitely care but when it comes down to it I think for me I know what's funny

and if you don't think that that's funny then I think you're wrong and that's okay that's a very healthy and that's okay that's okay it's true that a lot of a lot of comedy

does come from people who are masking very traumatic things. That is a different... Sometimes I feel very guilty about that, to be honest. Have you ever seen a bit of his... I know you've laughed at everything, but have you ever seen a bit, heard a bit, you know, a joke where you're like,

eh, I'm that... You can do better. Like, I'm not feeling that one or that... Every once in a while, but... But even, by the way, even I feel that way with my act sometimes. You do. I'm like, I shouldn't...

Whatever. I was stupid. You have to try this stuff. But also, it might not be... funny to one person and not that they're even wrong but like there's not funny for them because of the life that they lived and they don't think that that's funny and I think it is funny and who gives a shit right like dude there's comedians that are huge that I'm like they're not for me right but they're great right you know what defines their what defines them being great if they're funny if they're selling out to years if they're if they're if they have a fan base

if they're you know if they're being authentic to who they are right and if if they're making a living doing it yeah yeah yeah who am I to tell that you know so even if you don't think they're funny. If they're selling out Madison Square Garden, it's like, well, they're good. They're good. Someone loves them. I don't, but someone loves them. And you have to respect that. I respect the shit out of it. And it takes a lot of work, too. Yeah, a lot of effort and it takes a lot of work. A lot of dedication. I have respect for every comedian that has quote unquote made it. It's like, dude, they put in the work, man. What's, what's it like nowadays just in the world? And the competitive side of things. I mean, there's a throat aspect. There's an odd guy.

now and then you're like and that guy's a weird gotta be around but most of the time look man the comedy boom now is bigger than it was even in the 80s 90s so like it's huge early 90s so so everybody's doing well so it's

do you love what you do love it I don't love anything more I don't love anything more than being on stage making people laugh you can tell that's the best oh I appreciate you saying that yeah no I don't love anything more like I yeah that's why I don't get like some there's a lot of like nowadays it's like

oh let me do stander up because that'll get me the next thing that's so weird to me too that is the thing that do you have that in your life like something that you love yeah i mean before i made my uh i had a movie come out called american animal like eight years ago and before that i mean i still am pretty critical of movies because it's what i care about the most and my passion comes out that way and i and i and i'm opinionated about stuff but now before and after actually having made a movie it's just like I can see a movie and think I don't like that movie at all

but I deeply respect the people that made it and that it even exists in the first place because it's as we all know in this room it's so fucking hard not just to make a good one but to make to continue to turn that shit out as impossible. Just to get the movie made

is so I take so much you know all right well what are we looking forward to now I mean well first of all you we got mention you're about to have a baby. Yeah, I'm a bunch of a baby. Yep, any day. That's about as exciting as again. So that I'm very, very excited about,

which is going to be hopefully amazing. And if I have any questions, I'll ask you guys. And, and, uh, we're all very excited. Yeah, but to continue on, what are you guys looking forward to? So I got the special coming out that he directed, which I'm looking forward to. Also, we're working on putting a project together.

Yeah, a movie that he wrote and is going to direct. For him. Yeah. He's playing one of the main roles and I'm directing it. That's excited. Iron Man, so... Iron Man. It's our own take on Iron Man.

We didn't get the rights, but... Right. No. Is there a brother part? Because I'm out of work. It would have to be a twin part for you. Because you guys look too much. What is it?

It's like a contained, darkly funny, like, crime thing where the... It ends up... Well, it's like a post-heist. Yeah, it's like... The heist goes right and everything afterwards goes insanely wrong. Oh, cool. kind of about how men sort of left to their own devices will just eat themselves alive much

to their own detriment. But it's through the genre of the crime film. That's fun. Yeah. I like that the heist goes perfect. And then afterwards, it's all fucked. Heist is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah. Good. That's exciting. Okay, ready? First celebrity crush. I like that. Oh, fuck. Mine. Oh, I know mine. Oh, I know mine. Mine's easy. Natalie Portman, the profession. Oh, really? Oh, my God. I was like that's my future wife like when I first saw

I was like that's who that is You know what you would look great with her right now Thank you Natalie if you're listening Yeah I do I think you and Natalie Portman would make a really smart couple Thanks We should tell her that Yep

Mine was Elizabeth Hurley Oh Oh Why does she so much about both of you I couldn't believe it Why does she still look exactly like she did then I don't know She's really hot still it's weird

Okay so what was your actual first crush Haley Sarsfield Nikki Cozalino. Italian. Nikki Cozalino. I was so crazy about her. Really? And her best friend was Ashley Randazzo.

It was the most Italian. Gonzaleso and Randazzo. Hey. You can't use guys. Matt's just like, I love her. Casalina and Randanzo. Wow. So Jersey.

If you could quote one movie from beginning to end, what would it be? Jesus Christ. I mean, I couldn't do it, but I would have to say probably swingers. Mm-hmm. No. actually be Ace Ventura. Oh, wait. Maybe it could be Ace Ventura.

Because I recently watched, rewatch Ace Ventura, and I couldn't believe how deeply etched it is into my brain. Oh, dude. Every new scene, I'm like, not only do I remember this scene,

I remember every single beat, every single, the tenor of every word, it's like stuck in my mind. Yeah, you know, it's fun about having kids, too, honestly, is that brings you back to these movies.

I've watched all of them now. Again, it's so fun. But, you know, I try to show him naked gun. Oh, my fucking favorite. I know. all the kids came over you know all of wilder's friends this whole class 16 kids oh wow and they're wanting they're wanting to watch like good boys the radio and i'm like okay but let's just watch naked gun yeah it didn't well by the way by the way whoever's listening no it's weird don't let your kids come over to oliver's house you can't watch i didn't let other people's kids i didn't let him watch good boys he watched naked gun no they watched naked

choice. Did they like it? We put on it. No. They didn't. Color of night instead. What about the three amigos? Three amigos is one of the all-time.

Favorite movies. Me too. I can do that one and and top secret, remember that? Oh my God, dude. I never laughed harder. Then one moment in top secret, I never left harder in any movie ever.

When he, it's so. Is it the cow? No, that's funny. But when he does, when he, when the guy's like, you know, war really hardens you and you go through all this shit and nothing, you know, he really

whatever the fuck and then he sneezes and then he sneezes in his hand and looks at it and he goes and jumps out of the window dude that I couldn't

I never laughed harder in a movie than I did with that great top secret it's so dumb so many great movies that we got to see but is it weird that like top gun is just like

every part of me as a little girl when I watched that movie I was like that was I mean I think that made me boy I think that movie alone made me boy crazy was the first time you know we talked about cracked you early oh yeah well mine was Charles and Charge Nicole Eggert was oh yeah yeah yeah I think about I think Elizabeth Hurley was a little later yeah Nicole Edgar I was like I mean oh god yeah if you were casting someone as yeah to play you well or your brother or your brother Oliver. Me.

Obviously. So you'd cast Oliver to play Chris. In the biopic of my goodness. Mine would be who I'd want to see and who I'd want to see play me is for sure John Clubbendam. There's no way I would not want him to play. That would be hilarious. A different movie.

But if I actually had to cast for real, Jesus, I don't know. Yeah, I'd have to pick Oliver. I don't know. To cast your brother. You're casting your brother. Oh, you? Something so self-centered, yeah. I think they're asking for me.

I do you. It's him. Who do you do for me? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's a better question. Oh, yeah, Adrian Brody. Adrian Brody. That would be, that's good.

John Tutro. Yeah, John Totoro could work, yeah. Love Totoro. Love Totoro. Or who's the guy in, Brad Pitt, Brad Pitt. No, no, no, no. Who's in Burroughs through it, that guy. That guy, yeah.

Okay, any other job, what would it be? Oh, far. I can't even fucking imagine. Yeah, you, I get fired, whatever it is. Would you go, whether go back in time or go in the future, if you could do one. Oh, I would probably I would go back I'd go back

You go back? I'm like a history nerd Yeah And I just want to see some shit I'd go back Yeah I'd go back You would huh You know

But then it's kind of fucked up Is like I was thinking about The other day When you die Wouldn't it be nice I just want to know What this world gonna be like

Yeah Yeah It's a good question I'm fat I might go back to fucking Like just the 80s And just see What the fuck it was like

And then As like an adult That must have been so Yeah that would be That would have been fun. The 80s were just, like, crazy. Because I was at four, you know what I mean? Then you definitely do some drugs.

Yeah, as an adult in the 80s. Drugs were better than you. Meet the kid me and have them do drugs. Did you ever have a favorite childhood vacation? Long Beach Island. I love when we would go to the beach in New Jersey. You hated family vacations in general. That was before you hated them, though.

Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. That was before I hated them. Yeah. I heard family vacation was the one where you hit your head on the headboard and the bed. Santa Barbara. Santa Barbara. Okay, that's the best of what it was.

yeah oh i have a question actually because i watched i watched a man on fire last night is it's everything that you do written or are you riffing at all or is that just the actor in you who knows how to make everything seem real yeah it's all written but there are because that's your vibe dude i mean it's like whoa he he's obviously a great actor because it feels like unless it feels like it's it's coming to you yeah you know and thank you first of all second of all uh it's uh there's always parts of every show that I just kind of like go off and say something new but it's all it's all yeah I will also add to that you are a director's dream because oh I do the same he'll be in the same place I do it in the same place yeah it's like it's like actual continuity for like an actual actor

wow on a set I really I don't know why I just it's no it's totally you're not thinking yeah no it makes it comfortable yeah right yeah yeah it's very rare I'm in a certain spot and I'm like oh wait I should be over there very rare so yeah if he's doing two shows to cut together for the special it's like we don't have to worry about where the fuck is school where i use yeah yeah who would your parents say is the most athletic matt me funniest chris i guess they would say that yeah but matt's i don't know yeah yeah well you think i'm the funniest person yeah well yeah i i mean i don't know i i am always with all of you so i think you right right right right right which one of you would survive best in the wilderness

I would naturally think me I would naturally think me but you impressed me one time the time we were you guys are gonna not I mean we were in like a high speed chase when we were getting shot out on the freeway wait a minute what? Yeah exactly yeah

for real we voted we voted in the same polling station and we this was like years this is like 2012 and I and I flicked the guy off who cut me off getting on the 134 of the two and the guy stopped on the freeway went in reverse and like had a gun waving it around and his calm under pressure

I was like I can't believe how chilled out you were this whole time so maybe you'd have like a calm head about it You just went into survival mode I don't freak out I don't freak out about that kind of stuff especially if there's someone else involved because like I'm like

that person probably gonna freak out I'm gonna just make sure because honestly if you go crazy you'll make it worse that's scary that's the worst part about that and actually I gotta be honest Did they actually shoot at you? No, I don't think so.

But I remember, here's the thing. I was like, look, if we're gonna, if we're gonna get shot, he's gonna shoot, he's gonna shoot us. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, fuck it, might as well just, wow, see what the fuck. We were stopped on the freeway. Yeah, we were stopped on the freeway.

Because he was stopped in front of me, and I was like, I don't wanna pass him, he's gonna fucking shoot us. Right. So I'm like just waiting behind his car. Cars are just, v-v-v-fing by. And then finally, I just like, I mean, I dipped around him and sped. I remember you were like, what the fuck do I do?

And I was like, it's all good, man. Just like... But I also, the thing that fucked me up the most, and this is what I think about, I thought about him getting shot, and that's what made me feel the worst. If you got shot in that fucking car, my life would be over.

Just as much as it would be over if I got shot. Have you flipped anyone off since? No. Fuck, no. Yeah. Not even fucking... And I'll have the fucking instinct because it's like very much in me

to be like, ah, because I have tempered is, the trick is I have road rage at points, but now the trick is it's just you've got to see who's in the car. Yeah. You sort of look over. and it's like some like older woman

who's like 85 you know then like god damn which one of you could talk your way out of things better like oh that's a toss up I think we're both pretty good at that yeah yeah wow that's a toss up man yeah that's a real toss up we're both could be more convincing I think me you probably yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah probably you yeah if you could take

something from your brother and take it for your own a quality that you could have what would it be and then on the flip side of that if you could take something from him that would alleviate some sort of a stressor or pain or whatever it is what would you take from him i would i would want he i would want he always like wants to know the real truth and learn and i don't give a fuck about that and i wish i wanted to know about stuff the actual things that mattered right know and then i wish he wasn't i wish he wouldn't beat himself up so much about hurting someone else that's that's what i wish i had about him actually that's what i was going to say oh wow

that's interesting when you know you're right yeah you don't let in the fucking either whatever the fuck is the noise around you that's funny that that's the same thing it's the same thing yeah well explain that though i mean if he does something even if he thinks he's right yeah and if it hurts someone else he's like feels really badly yeah about for the other person The empathy is just too high. It's out of whack. Like, my empathy's too high. It's too empathetic.

Yeah. And I wish I didn't have that as much about what people. It's not, what's weird, though, is that I do not care what they think. Right. I care if I, I feel like I played a part in hurting them. And that is like, it just gets in the fucking way. But that also can work against itself,

which means that you care so much that then it becomes about you and not even about them. 100%. It's problematic each way you turn. You know what I mean? Yeah. That's interesting. It sucks, actually. And so you wish that you had more because I don't give a fuck.

When he knows he's in the right, that's it. That's it. I wish I had that. I wish it ended there for me. If you could take something from Chris. Well, he gets mad, like, furious about the least meaningful shit under the sun. Yeah. Like, he'll be like, I can't believe someone put there, that guy put

his drink there. And it'll like eight hours later I'll be like, fucking can you fucking. The last one was the feet on the table. You were crazy about that. That drives me fucking nuts.

But this plays into the thing that. No, no, no. So I'm talking about that. Not that. Not that. This is your house.

This is your house. I'm saying when somebody says, hey, put your feet down. Oh yeah. Go fuck yourself. Oh, yeah. Dude. I like, first of all,

I will never put my, the bottom of my shoes on a table. Like I won't do that. First of all, it's not even, it's very hard to do. Like, Like, I'll be like this at a restaurant or something. Right, right, right.

Right. They take your foot down. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The calf is on the fucking thing. What's the problem? Do you really sit like that, though, a restaurant? Yeah, he does.

He does. He does. He's still like that everywhere. He always looks. Sorry, dude. Chris always looks like he just fell from the ceiling. So then I'll go, I go like, what if I'm like this? Is that a problem? And that's not a problem.

So just because the back of my fucking calf is on the armrest is the problem? It's like a Larry David. I know, yeah. You don't care about what people think of you or what you're doing or a search but but if someone says yes like the littlest things could send you why are they bugging me about where i'm sitting thinks he knows it's okay to do that so if someone tells him it's not okay to do that i'll think of i do the last thing that happened i'm fucking ass day man see look he's getting mad right the whole day yeah he's getting mad right i was like

i was like you guys really for real don't think you think i'm wrong somebody was like yeah you shouldn't do it i'm like i was like i was like you're right but stop being so mad and that's the truth. Yeah. That's the truth of it. But is there any other times where you're like, I guess you're right, I probably shouldn't do that? You never do that. Well, I'm wrong sometimes. Yeah, of course. And you'll admit when you're wrong. You're cool, you're good at that for sure. I mean, some people aren't. You know what I mean? No, I,

that's annoying. Yeah. Everyone's wrong sometimes. Yeah. I have a question. When was the last time you guys told each other how, what you mean to each other? pretty recently probably yeah recently yeah are you guys you're open enough to do that vulnerable enough yeah yeah yeah definitely yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we love each other and I tell him and yeah yeah I think about I would too yeah yeah yeah yeah we're very lucky if you were to give advice to people who don't have that kind of relationship yeah it's hard yeah because I'm just gonna say we've been reading a lot of submissions because we have an email address and it's fucking gnarly dude like I will

smoke a joint get in bed and read these emails and just weep yeah i'm very emotional person just in general but i would i would just like cry you don't realize how fortunate you have it sometimes until you start hearing other people i certainly didn't i mean we had it so good yeah not like not in any other way besides the way that we all loved each other so much that i never really until i got a little older i think the normal i just never realized like just like the depths of how fucked up Some people can have it. It's crazy. And, yeah, just lucky.

We're lucky. It's crazy. I think it's important to tell people how you feel about them, whether it's good or bad in a very constructive and sweet way. But, you know, it's not easy for everybody to do it. I mean, it's even hard when we do it all the time. Sometimes it's hard, you know. The majority of these siblings where they're not talking, they've let something get in their way, whether it be their parents or some outside force. And if you can eliminate that and not.

and just be a little bit more compassion and understand that maybe it's not about us. Maybe it's about something else. Yeah, right, right, right. You know what I mean? Like, let's try to meet somewhere without that in our lives. Let's pretend that that never happened. Anyway, we're good.

Thank you guys. Oh, cool. Thank you so much. Yeah, yeah. It was really, really, really fun. It was a lot of laughs. Yeah, it was awesome. Likewise, yeah.

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