Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Cindy Crawford: Supermodel and Supermom

Episode Date: October 21, 2024

OG Supermodel Cindy Crawford joins Kate and Oliver for a supersized conversation! Cindy reveals everything from the tragedy that tore her parents apart, to her Hollywood-proof parenting style.Plus, find out the connection between Cindy and Kate's ex-husband Chris Robinson, and the career she almost chose before she dominated catwalks across the globe.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an IHeart podcast. September is a great time to travel, especially because it's my birthday in September, especially internationally. Because in the past, we've stayed in some pretty awesome Airbnbs in Europe. Did we've one in France, we've one in Greece,

we've actually won in Italy a couple of years ago. Anyway, it just made our trip feel extra special. So if you're heading out this month, consider hosting your home on Airbnb. With the co-host feature, you can hire someone local to help manage everything. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomfit Podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcombered podcast on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcast, or wherever. you get your podcast. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex.

No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh. Well, this season we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special Bestie and you're not going to want to miss it. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. Get in here. Listen to the Super Secret Festi Club on the IHeart

radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. It's important that we just reassure people that they're not alone and there is help out there. The Good Stuff podcast season two takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. One Tribe saved my life twice. Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance brof trying to tell us how to spend our own money?

No thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week, I, your host, Mandy Money, gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel uses. Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the BAQA. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown Ambition on the I Heart. radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson.

And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that. your mouth.

Sibling Revellerie. That's good. I don't like looking at myself. Is that how we're starting this podcast with one of the most beautiful people in the world? I don't like looking at myself. Well, I just want Cindy to think that I'm beautiful, too. You know.

Oliver, Oliver, Oliver, you are beautiful. I'm beautiful. Ali, I want you to say it with me. I am beautiful. Actually, I listen to this Ram Dass thing this morning on the way to school with Bing. And I realize that Ram, it's all about I am. Like, if you can just sit with yourself

and just be like comfortable with saying I am, just you are. You just are. All of the stuff. stuff. Oh, I totally get that. That's how I survive. I mean, because I have to keep telling myself, I just am. It's just what it is. I just am. Here's the problem. I'm a liver cleanse, working out, lost weight, feel great, but you lose weight in your face and then I look, I wish there was a way to keep weight in my face and lose weight in my body. Because you lose weight in face, you look

college and you look a little hollowed out. This is a very vain conversation. I love it. But can we include Cindy on this conversation? Yeah, bring her in. I want to say, I want to just say, let's just intro her. I have known Cindy a really long time, Cynthia. And we are letting Cindy in.

I've known her for many, many years. And I'm very excited. Hi. Hi. You know? We were just doing an introduction. which then went into Oliver talking about a complication he's having with his vanity. You make it sound like there's some sort of medical issue.

I was like, we need to bring Cindy in on this conversation. No, here's the thing. Okay. I live a bit of a debauchrous lifestyle. The sort of darker things, the underbelly of life, I'm attracted to. I like the drinking. I like the smoking. I like the indulgence of just all vices for the most. part. I need to get better. I need to get, I mean, look, maybe it seems darker than it is. It's not that dark, although it can get dark. It can get weird. I went on a liver cleanse. I am trying to create a healthier lifestyle for myself. I'm doing Pilates. I'm working out. I feel great. I'm 48. I just wish there was a way to like lose weight in my body, but not in my face. I like

when my face looks full. I lose the weight and then all of a sudden I look like Skeletor. You know what I'm saying? Like I get gaunt. I get weird. I need filler. I need whatever. I need Botox. I need it all. Just go get a facelift. Or that. Spend all the money that you don't have. And, you know. Yeah. There's something that at a certain age you have to choose your ass or your face. At least that's what I was told for women. And I'm like, I'll change my face. more people see it. Yes.

I don't think there is a way, honestly. No. And I think we see it a lot with people using, like losing a lot of weight rapidly right now. And like all of a sudden their face is like. Oh, that's crazy looking. I know. Yeah, there's no secret. That's a thing.

Like everyone's like what, and I'm sure Kate, you get, you probably don't get asked this all the time, but women, doesn't matter what you're doing. You're still getting asked for beauty secrets. and I'm always like the secret are there's no secrets. There's really no, yeah. Oh, it's just, it's consistency. It's like doing the that we all know. Right.

And like, and honestly, like the healthier you are, the better, I think it's more like the better you look when your body is strong and you have a little bit of, you know, I'm actually in the, of a little bit of weight, you know, did not that you're not like so you know oh yeah it you know a healthy body is a apparently healthy is triggering for young girls though apparently that's a triggering word i've been told that healthy oh really yeah i was told that like that's like code for not thin so like which is so weird to me because like healthy is always what i have been promoting since i really started exercising

And I think like most women, I started exercising to look good in a swimsuit. But what I found was that, you know, when you're physically strong, it translates to emotional. Like, I felt strong. And I think that's what kept me doing it and being consistent over the years. If you can't say healthy, then what are you supposed to say? Well, they say, they say like healthy body means like, oh, you have a, you're you're a little more like you have more weight on but that's what can we say anymore you look hot you look hot you look so hot yeah anyone object to that I don't object to that I wouldn't

well let me ask a hold on let me ask a question though because when you're talking about this how how much how much weight is placed on internal health to then bring out external beauty or health or whatever that means. I don't know the right words anymore and how much is actually topical stuff. What are you talking about? You mean like in... Kate, please translate that question.

Everything. What do you mean? How what's the... What do you mean? Like, what's your question? You can heal, you can... Meaning if you drink water, if you eat correctly,

how much does that actually translate to sort of your physical appearance versus... Oh, huge. Right. Versus like skin care and... looking good from the outside in rather than the inside out. My whole thing is inside out. Everything that's topical, external is like a cherry on the top.

But if you are not, if your microbiome and your gut isn't strong and healthy, it's not going to translate into your skin, which is also a whole other microbiome, you know. That's the foundation. Like all the taking care of yourself, I would include. in that like sleep water you know being careful with the sun not smoking hate to tell you um you know things in moderation those are like the foundation of a house and then all those other things are like paint on the house would you agree yeah a thousand percent i think it's for men though because like women we focus on this starting when we're like i don't know now i think girls start

in like puberty oh my god my daughter is 11 and and her skin care routine is like off the charts to the point where I am wondering if it's healthy because she has such beautiful young supple skin are you fucking it up with products depends on the product she's I mean unfortunately that's what tick talk does to this generation oh my god I know it's crazy yeah it's crazy all of our boys have a skin care routine. But, you know, it's actually kind of nice to see because, you know, they start getting pimples. And when they started to get like my son loves to clean his face and make sure that, you know, he's all over it. Doesn't like want to pick anything. Doesn't want to scar or anything. It's so different than what it used to be when we grew up. We didn't even think

about those things. We had like a Neutrogena bar and like pawns and like set. Yeah. I guess like everything, there's pros and cons. It's just the kind of maybe too much focus on, as Oliver was saying, like the outside in. But to finish my thought, like women, we start thinking about this stuff. Like I've had, I'm 58, right? So I've been thinking about skin care and health for now. I just like to say over 20 years. because anything he sounds so old but really 38 years right that i've since i turned 20 yeah and so but like i even noticed my husband like he never thought about what he ate never thought about his skin until like for sure even in his 50s you know so you guys have a lot of catching up to but but but is randy into the skin care now into health into optimal optimization of the body is is and randy is Indy's husband. I'm sure everybody needs that.

Right. Is he into this? He's, look, I think most men, like for him, the main priority for him is to be able to continue to do the things that he did. He wants to be able to play basketball or he'll play. And, you know, maybe he's a little bit more sore the next day, but he wants to still be able to compete at the same level. I think sometimes, like, he'll be like, oh, your skin looks good.

And then I notice, like, he'll be, like, using something. like you'll all my all of a sudden your mindful beauty your mindful beauties to the moved over now let let let me keep going down this road is is is this still attractive i'm just saying like isn't there something nice about a guy who you know fucking smokes drinks holy you're so old-fashioned the cool factor of thing oh cool that is so hot yeah you're like you are yeah is that still hot i mean is that not hot anymore is live a long time and I want to be healthy and be able to do the things that I can do. I think especially at a certain age, it doesn't, it becomes about like longevity and,

you know, health, health being, being able to like go for a hike or whatever it is you want to do. Like that, even now when I exercise, my number one goal is not to get hurt because I want to be able to exercise tomorrow. So, you know, I definitely am more careful. with, like, maybe trying, like, some crazy thing with a kettlebell or something. I also think, like, modeling behavior is attractive to me. So, like, for me, a man that has sort of a healthy boundaries, healthy lifestyle is, like, focused on, you know, the things that make him feel good

and is, like, just attractive because of what it's giving your family, you know? So basically, basically, when we see Randy on the costume, Ego's ads on the motorcycle. He's just had a colonic green juice and has slathered himself in sunblock and essential oils, yet he looks like he's just come from a bar on All-Nighter. Maybe the essential oils. I was going to say maybe one drop of sunscreen mixed with water. Like he waters his sunscreen so much.

I've tried to get him a little bit. Yeah, because his dad did it that way. it's just so funny like he puts water with the sunscreen and I'm like there's no there's none left by the time you touch your face but he's getting a little bit better no he doesn't do like he for sure would never do a polonic um I have I've actually done that no I'm just like I love a I love a good column I did it once at that we care place and yeah that's where I did it I don't think this is for me um but maybe if I had like an illness or something I was trying to really like I needed to hit it.

But that's something I would opt in. I have to say this before we get into, you know, all of our fun questions we have for you. But I did all of our, I did a film with Kaya. And we went to Toronto together. We just came back. And I had, I spent some good time with Kaya, Cindy and Randy's daughter. And on the movie, we didn't really work together. We just had like makeup tests together.

And I had to text Cindy, and I texted Cindy because, you know, when you watch a kid grow up in Los Angeles and you know, obviously with famous parents and everything. And you always wonder, like, how that kid's going to turn out, you know. Maya is so great and so smart and so wonderful and I had the we had the best time together she's got such a she's got such a great head on our shoulders that she's so well read and I just I I was so impressed and it said everything about you guys as parents I really really was just like I I just I hadn't felt like that about a young kid in a long time she's so adult and such a good person. She kind of came out that way, like, you know, even at five years old, you know, at dinner conversation, she'd be like, in world peace, you know, that was always her. But I will say she loved spending time with you. And I think that, you know, for her to have that connection of someone else who grew up,

at least in a similar way where she, you know, she went into modeling first before she did acting. So following her mom's footsteps, growing up in L.A. with famous parents. And, you know, there's just, that's like pretty rarefied air. So for her to share that with you. And she just felt so she was like, I'd just let Kate run the show. She just felt very safe with you. So thank you. It was so, it was so great.

She's wonderful. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects are just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor.

If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone. Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians.

I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeard Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story,

a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a

trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of family secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your

podcasts. Hello, it's Honey German. And my podcast, Grazacus come again, is back. This season, we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities.

You didn't have to audition? No, I didn't audition. I haven't audition in, like, over 25 years. Oh, wow. That's a real G-talk right there. Oh, yeah. We've got some of the biggest actors, musicians, content creators, and culture shifters

sharing their real stories of failure and success. You were destined to be a start. We talk all about what's viral and trending with a little bit of chisement, a lot of laughs, and those amazing vibras you've come to expect. And of course, we'll explore deeper topics dealing with identity, struggles, and all the issues affecting our Latin community.

You feel like you get a little whitewash because you have to do the code switching? I won't say whitewash because at the end of the day, you know, I'm me. But the whole pretending and code, you know, it takes a toll on you. Listen to the new season of Grasasas Come Again as part of My Cultura Podcast Network on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. By the way, on that topic, though, how did you, was there a conversation you and Randy might have had or understanding, you know, the world that your children were going to grow up in? How did you navigate that? You know what I'm saying?

because we had it a certain way, obviously, and it was very sort of try to be as normal as we could possibly be. Obviously, we're living in a different technological time right now. But, you know, how did you guys navigate all of that? Were there conversations? You know, I think the thing, and this is just a recent realization that we had, is that, you know, we didn't grow up famous, Randy, nor I. So, like, we didn't understand, for instance,

if we'd be at Nobu or something with our kids. This is before it was the fancy one on PCH when it was like, and that's where we would go for sushi. I'm like, if we would tell our kids, hey, don't run around the restaurant or whatever.

They didn't know if it was because we were famous, like, or because that's just kids don't run around restaurants. Like we never took the time to say, and this isn't because we're famous. This just is how normal parents parent their kids or how we were parented, whatever. I don't know if there is such a thing as normal. But, um, like, we didn't understand

the impact that that would have on the kids, like you guys will because you guys were raised that way. If that's just a whole other layer that we never, it's not that we didn't consider it, but we just didn't know how to address it. I think that we tried to raise them like they went to public school. That's part of the reason we moved to Malibu so they could go to public school and we the one decision that randy and i made were like we're not going to not do things because we're worried about paparazzi you know so yeah like our kids would get paparazzi sometimes because we wanted to go to the country mart in malibu and walk around like normal people um and i think i think that was the biggest conversation we had about it um but it is

something hard to navigate like I'm sure yeah well I mean I remember you know I reflect on these feelings that I used to have when I was the a young son and sitting with mom and people coming up and wanting her attention and it was detracting from her energy towards me and I hated it it would make me angry when people would come up to the table and want autographs and interrupt what we were doing. And it was this invasion for me as a young boy, you know what I mean? Who needed his mother? No doubt about that as well.

So it was definitely a negative experience in that, on that side for me. Whereas Kate was like, bring it on. No, I think people think it's one. way, but I think you become more of an observant observer when you grow up that way. It's like you really see what's happening around you when sometimes the parent that is in the center of the attention is trying to ignore it. And as a kid, you're seeing everything. So you sort of have a little bit more of like a witness. You become more of a witness. I know I've taken that into my adulthood. You know, I kind of feel like I lean back and see it more than just existing in it.

Do you feel that way, Allie? Mm-hmm. Kate, so how now do you do that for your kids? Like how taking what you learned as being the child of, how has that impacted being the mother? The weird thing is, is that when we were kids, it wasn't necessarily paparazzi as much as it was fans. What happened with me, when I became famous, it was like, it was that it was sort of this new world of internet, paparazzi, like, all of those sites. So, like, I would go to a restaurant and there would be like 20 poppos outside and then I'd get cars chasing me. I didn't grow up like that.

That was, that was like, you know, and. No, back of the day, it was just the airport. You're like walking out of the gate. all of a sudden, like 80 paparazzi come out of nowhere, like giz-g-g-g-gish-g-g-d-j-d-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-j-h. That was what we had in the 80s. That was the 80s. But other than that, like, I remember taking my kid to preschool, and there was some other, you know, people who also were celebrities that kid were there

and there'd be paparazzi outside the school. And I remember my son saying, why are those people taking our picture? And it's like, how do you explain fame to a three-year-old? Like, how do you even explain that? I was like, hmm, that's a really good question, you know. Well, I'm not, I'm not nearly as famous as you guys, but the way that I've dealt with it when my kids have ever asked me, I'd be like, they'd be like, why is this person wanting to take a picture with you?

I say, because I'm really fucking famous. That's what I tell them. But what is fame? I, like, I, I actually had some moments that felt really sad because, like, I just wanted to take Ryder to the park. And, like, I remember, like, crying on the side of the road and a car in New York because we couldn't get out of the car. And I just felt like a failure as a mother.

Like, I can't even take you to the park without this. It's like, and then, of course, I had to reflect on what I was doing in my personal life to even have these people following me around. I'm like, maybe I need to straighten myself out a little bit. but there's a little bit of like you know but then then you get to the point where you realize like I think it's what age does when you're younger it's like this is happening to you when you get older you just sort of start to ignore it it's like it doesn't even matter and that's sort of what you tell the kids like I just ignore it they'll go away it it's like at the end of the day it means

nothing and that's what you tell the kids like this doesn't mean anything let's just keep walking and, you know, I think that's, that's how I've handled it. But Ronnie gets scared. It's really interesting. She's the only kid of mine that really doesn't like, like really, it makes her get anxious. Yeah. And I had to do this whole thing where I was like, listen, I didn't know what to say. So I finally just said, Ronnie, all you have to do is, is they're just here to take the picture?

you just smile just smile and we're going to go to the car we have a fun day and she was crying and and then cut to i was like we have to leave we have to get out of the hotel you know we have to leave this hotel and we walked outside and she's she started smiling in a way that is one of the funniest of all right just put this smile on from bawling to smiling it was like oh so damn funny but I just think you kind of don't pay it any mind right that's sort of the only way to get through it well in a way that's what you were saying your mom was doing yeah right right so you it's full circle you just you know circle Cindy you grew up in Illinois can you explain like what like what what where in Illinois did you grow up what did the

neighborhood that you grew up looked like? I grew up 60 miles straight west of Chicago, small town surrounded by cornfields, very, not even really suburban. It was small town, but there was a university in my town. So it wasn't quite as like country bunk in, I guess, as you, as it could have been, like other towns close to me. one high school though so that's like you know the you knew in high school you knew every other high school or in your town um blue-collar parents or dad my dad was like a he basically was like

an electrician at one point different manual labor jobs but my parents got married or my mom got pregnant which was 16 so they got married i think when she was 16 or 17 how old was your dad 18. Like they were in ice school. Wow. Wow. But it was interesting because I always kind of felt like that was like something that they would view as, oh, I wish that hadn't happened.

But I had a conversation with both of them in the last five years where they were happy. Like it wasn't, I guess it wasn't so strange then either. But anyway, so they got married. They had four kids. You know, just a very simple. little blue-collar life. That was great. I had tons of cousins and aunts and uncles and grandparents. And everything was great. And then my brother died when I was almost 10. He had leukemia. And I think obviously that that was probably like the first major event of my life and also impacted

our family because my parents dealt with grief very differently. And my dad kind of, I mean, close to my dad now, but he definitely went off the rails for a while, just, I think, displaced grief. And so then my parents ended up getting divorced, but even still, like, I would say I had a happy childhood, even with those tragedies, because I think I had enough community and family and church. Like, I had enough support around me to help me get through those things. How was your brother older or younger? He was the baby. So he was diagnosed with leukemia when was two, and he died right before he was four. Oh, God.

And he was the only boy, so that was really hard for, like, I thought it would have been easy for one of the girls, but, you know. How many siblings? I have an older sister and a younger sister, and I'm super close to both of them. And I was like, oh, I almost wish, like, one of them would have been in town to, like, join us today because I would have been great. I'm such big fans of both of my sisters. they both became teachers and now one works for a charity and the other one bought a bookstore

but you know is as different as our lives are like they're they're my first call normally you know that's the best it's just so interesting though going back how you talk about how two people deal with grief completely differently and how that can be a deal breaker where everything is moving along, you know, seemingly well in a relationship and the tragedy strikes. And then you reveal your, you reveal your grief to each other because you can't in your regular relationship, something has to happen. And that can be the rift that is just like, I can't, we're not on the same page here. Yeah. I was a little, I wish it, that sounds a little more evolved than what happened with my parents. But what I would say is my dad had to go back to

to work three days later. I mean, it was like he had to pay the bills. And so I think that, you know, my mother has a very strong faith. And she went to death and dying courses and, you know, really had like a church community around her. My dad was back at work three days later. And so I don't even think he was given the luxury of grieving, really. And then I think it started coming out in some kind of bad behavior.

Yeah. In other ways. Yeah, it's, but it's so, Ali, it's so funny when, because when you said they grieved differently, like, that was the first thing that popped in my mind, too, which is like, what I think about that, you know, you hear these stories about families that a child passes away and it really breaks them apart, you know. And then you hear the stories where it really brings people together. We have friends who lost a child and they're just, they're so strong, they're unit. it is so strong. That's the exception.

That's the exception because I think the divorce rate among people that lose a child is something like 70 to 80%. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Not even, it's probably just that every time you look at that person, it's just, it's like opening the wound. You know, I don't even blaming or breathing different. But, like, I mean, there's probably so many different reasons why people can't weather that storm because it's just unthinkable. I mean, you guys both have kids, so you know.

You don't even want to think about what that would do. You can't. But as a 10-year-old, I mean, how does one process that, do you have hard recollection of those moments? I mean, that's such. Yeah, I think, you know, we weren't like therapy and that kind of stuff wasn't even in our family vocabulary. So really, I think what got me through it was looking to my mom. And because she did the work of grieving, which I really do think it's work, you know, she was a great kind of leader for us in that. And she was able to explain death to my 10-year-old self that made me feel like, okay, this is, you know.

and but yeah of course there's still there were still like going back to school was weird because again as we do not know how to give condolences as a society like right like no one knows like even if you know something terrible happened to someone sometimes you're like oh I don't know if I should say something or not so true right and I feel like that is a skill that we should all on and so I remember going back to school and no one said anything to me, except for one kid was like, oh, I heard your brother died or something. I read it. My parents read it in the paper and I was like, I didn't know what to say. And, you know, like I was embarrassed that my brother died when I went back to school, which was such a weird feeling, but because not even the teacher, like, no one addressed it. And it was,

I was definitely confusing. But again, I just kept looking to how my mom was dealing with it. And I think that really helped me get through it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're

gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb. CA slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution. that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in.

To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way

to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you

on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard.

And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomfit podcast as part of the My Cultura podcast network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call.

I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. And I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast, season two, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month. So join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the first. front lines of one tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran and he actually took

his own life to suicide. One tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I don't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to season two of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Do you still, I guess you're so young, like what, what is your relationship to that loss now as an adult?

Well, wow. I mean, I have very few, like, of course, I can recall my brother with some of it. I don't even know if it's because of stories or pictures. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was so young. But I think probably, and it sounds weird to say it this way, but I'm going to say it anyway, one of the gifts I got from that experience was understanding that life is fragile and like don't take it for granted. And I think a lot of people, like they don't experience loss until much later in life.

And so maybe they're more cavalier about time and their lives. And I guess understanding that at a young age, and it wasn't terrifying to me. It just was like, wow, like we aren't immune. And part of me, I don't know how this happened, but I kind of almost saw my brother as like, you know how rockets have an engine that like gets them into space and then that rocket falls away? and that just became a picture in my mind that I was able to feel like like Jeff was part of this energy for me and also because I am like I'm Christian and so like to me

death wasn't like just like okay you're dead and that's it you know I had that idea of what that was. Comforting faith is so important I'm such an I sometimes think about this I think about this a lot like because I believe you know in a bigger story than what we're doing here just on this on this earth plane you know I it has to be yeah I just I just and I feel a strong connection to fit to faith to to uh and I do have faith and but I I I find that we're losing sight of it so much that so there's so many people don't have a sense of faith.

And one of the great things about faith is community. Like when you talk about that, to the support and your belief, your faith, that this isn't it, that you're so connected. It's like when people ask like, what's going on with this generation? You're like, I really think that's the word. I think sometimes it's not having that faith in. something where faith brings people to a table together to talk about you know to to to or or brings them around a table to you know celebrate whatever it is they're celebrating faith brings you to a church faith

brings you know a sense of like comfort right because comfort yes right faith and religion are two completely different things in in my opinion you know i mean i can have you know i say faith in this iPhone that this is what's going to keep me say and this is what's going to give me comfort, you know. And as long as I believe enough that this iPhone is going to take me through the hard times and I have true deep faith in it, then, you know, that will be the best course for me. I think kids only, I can only say this because I witness it with my children, but they're not, it's not conspiracy theories, but it's like, are we living in a simulation?

Are there aliens now? Like there's a whole new world that these kids are sort of, at least my kids, are sort of glomming onto, again, TikTok and all the insanity that goes along with it, you know. But their ideas are not faith-based. They're sort of bigger AI simulation based. Is this world real? I don't know. I feel that way. I'm always like, I like my Matrix.

I'm staying in my makeup. Like, whatever, because we can get so overwhelmed with everything that's. all the noise that's going out on in the world, you know? And sometimes I just like, I'm like, okay, but today, right now, I'm good. I'm happy. I'm healthy. I have my family or whatever. But back to faith, even if it is just, which I don't believe, but let's just say I know a lot of people do, even if it is just a way to keep the masses, like for me, even if it was just that, it does help when you lose someone. So I've had friends who've, you know, lost parents or or spouses or whatever.

And if you don't have faith, it's really. You feel so lost. Yeah. Yeah. It's like Carl Sagan's great quote, you know, this earth, this planet is only bearable through love. Like this vast planet is only really bearable when you, if you have. love. It's funny because my mother, like when I was young, I saw, I used to call her like Pollyanna and I didn't mean it as a compliment. Like I was like, oh, she's always like,

she always likes everybody. She always sees the positive and everything. And then as I've gotten older, I realized like what a great quality that is. Like what a great choice. And it is a choice that she made. He had a lot of bad things happen to her. You know, she lost her son. Her husband went off the rails, you know, and she still was the glass half-full person. So something that I kind of mocked is like, you know, when we're like 18 or 20 and we're

like reading philosophy and we think we know more than our parents, the thing that I admire about my mother the most is that she chose to. be a Pollyanna. It's not that she didn't know or didn't experience. It's just she made that choice. And I think that's really brave. I love that. And I think that more people should think that way because we are so quick to pass judgment on the smallest things that are discomforting to us or someone does something bad to us. Immediately you throw all the babies out with the bathwater. It's like, oh, you did this. Now, fuck everything else about you rather than, no, there's probably amazing parts of this person.

But they have their own afflictions, their own issues that they have to deal with, which were passed down from their parents that were passed down from their fucking parents. I mean, everyone has their story. So why not look at the good things and understand why they are who they are rather than just giving them the middle finger? I totally agree with that. People like your mom, people like your mom are just so probably, I mean, I'm putting this word into your mouth, but are incredibly forgiving, you know, like those forgiving. Is she forgiving? Yeah, but yes, yes. But not in a, again, I think, you know, like my less, you know, my more teenager, young 20 eyes didn't understand. like, yeah, she's not dumb.

Like she wasn't just like giving away her power. I think because my mom really didn't work until I was, you know, almost in middle school, I just, like, I wanted to be a career woman. And my mom wasn't the representation of what I, what the life that I saw for myself. But again, it just, it took me time to understand that so many ways she was what I wanted to be, you know, it just different. So how old were you when you were like

I know what, that, like, did you know you wanted to model or were you discovered? I probably would have been a teacher, honestly, but I wanted to be either a nuclear physicist or the first woman president, um, just because they were like big. I was like, I know I'm,

I'm getting out of tech help, even though I loved it. Um, I knew that for whatever reason I was like, I wanted a bigger life. Um, but both my sisters, as I said before, are both teachers, and we used to play school, and I probably would have ended up being a teacher. I never thought about modeling. That wasn't a real job then. I think my dad thought it was like a nice word for prostitution when I first got watched about modeling. And like my parents came with me to meet the agency. My dad was pretty suspect for a while.

But it just happened. It was like an opportunity. And I had done, you know, I had babysat and paperouts and worked in a clothing store and worked in a cornfield. Like I had done all those jobs. And modeling sure paid better. And it seemed like, okay, I can do this and then and still go to college. But very quickly, it was like too much to do both. So I dropped out and moved to New York and it worked out.

Did you love it, or was this like, I need to make money and I'm making money? Or was there, did you actually love being a model? You know, it's so interesting because, first of all, I don't know if like my generation, like, I think anyone told you like, I just want you to be happy. You got to do what you love. Like, that's a lot of pressure on a kid. Like, I know for my kids, they're like, oh, I don't know what I love. But even for me, I had to make money for sure.

Like without a time, my parents were not supporting me. Like, you know, so, and I liked it. And then I think I started loving it because I got to travel. I was financially independent. And it's a skill like anything. And you get better at it. And, you know, because I think I was a student and I was an observer, I learned. And like, I have confidence now in my skill as a model.

And I think a lot of people, they just think modeling is only about the way you look. And obviously, that's a big aspect of it. But you can become a better model. So I really like it, you know, because it's a different version of storytelling in a way. And how are your sisters when you started to kind of, you know, become the Cindy Crawford? I think for my older sister, because she was like just a little bit ahead of me in life, I don't think that that was hard for her. Like, I don't think she ever felt, I don't know, she just wasn't looking backwards, right?

But I do think for my younger sister, there was times where, because I was valedictorian and my younger sister was also a really good student, but she was valedictorian. in. And then I went off and became a model. And so in a weird way, and she is four years younger than me. So I think there was more pressure on her like, well, why aren't you doing? And being compared to me, whereas I don't think my older sister got compared to me in the same way. So I do feel like there was some point where it might have been hard for my little sister. But I mean, that was so many years ago. And I think, thank God, both of my sisters are very happy in their own lives. Like, in some ways, I don't even think they would want my life because they, you know, they've seen

the good and the bad of everything, you know. And, um, and now we, you know, we connect as mothers and wives and sisters and daughters. We really, and I'm proud of them. So I think there's no issues. But, you know, it's like an adjustment, right? Like when you go from being just one of like the Crawford girls to all of a sudden like I'm, you know, on the cover of magazines or getting all this. And my mother would say like people would say to her, oh, how's your daughter? And my mother would intentionally not tell them about me. She would tell them about one of my other two sisters. That's amazing. And then she'd go to the other one. And they're like, no. It was a famous one.

But so the way my mom treated it was also probably very helpful to my sisters. Did you have to protect yourself and advocate for yourself, especially early on, given sort of the world that you were in and thrust into? You know, especially probably back then, you know, I'm sure it was extremely misogynistic. I'm sure there were crazy pitfalls. There was dangers. There was, you know, letchery. You know, how did you deal with that?

I mean, I guess I was a little lucky because I wasn't 16. You know, I was 20 by the time I moved to Newark, which was, you know, old, ancient by model years. I feel very fortunate because I don't have like a horror story. And I do know a lot of models that found themselves in situations that were pretty, you know, not good. but I also feel like part of the way that I was raised and I guess because I had self-confidence from being good at school I found my voice there's a few times where I got talked into doing something but nothing too bad and like the way that I felt afterwards it empowered me for the next time so you know sometimes we do have to learn the hard way I'm sure I'm sure Kate

you've had even and I bet like your mom probably thought like no one will fuck with my daughter because they know I'm in the business, but it doesn't necessarily work that way because I felt the same, both of my kids with modeling, I felt, oh, no one's going to try anything with them or fuck with them because they know like I. And it wasn't true. They find their own, you know. Yeah. September always feels like the start of something new, it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining

the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone. Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything

from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians.

I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

There's not a single day that Paola and I, on call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window. could be closing.

Bloomberg and IHeard podcast present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patience. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands

and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Your entire identity has been fabricated.

Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro, and these are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets. With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests

for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship?

Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion. even when you're hurting.

All from one of my favorite spaces, the kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new season of the Overcomber podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Your era that's like supermodel era, because I was a little girl with all of you on my wall, you know. And, you know, we'd take all our things out of vogue and do collages and you were all over my wall.

But I feel like, I feel like that era, that sort of 90s supermodel. Yeah, my God, yeah. That George Michael Freedom era. Yeah, that you, that it were, there was so many, there was also so many, like, drugs. It was just part. There was a lot of partying happening. That wasn't my seat. I mean, yes.

But you didn't, you didn't engage in that kind of world, you know. I wonder if that allowed you to be able to like sort of see, I don't know. I mean, were you always looking at like what your next step was? Like, no. No, I get too much credit. entirely, but I was not a party girl for sure, and I did not like being out of control. And also, I mean, I probably was so naive because people would say, oh, they were doing so much blow.

I'm like, really? Like, I, because I don't do it, I don't recognize it. Do you know, I mean, less it's, you know, out on the table, then I probably would figure it out. But even, here's a bad story, kid. I don't, like, I was in her, I worked for MTV, and I was doing, um, I was doing, um, like at the VMA's like backstage fashion or something and Chris was there Robinson and I was like oh he had these really cool like suede pants on with leaves and bordered down the likes and I'm like just you know I'm like oh those are so cool what kind of leaves are there and

he said cannabis and I and this I'm not kidding I was not acting at all I was like what's that and then I'm like oh no I'm like oh no I'm then I go I was able to save it I think I'm like I'm like Oh, just kidding. But truly, like, I had never heard the word cannabis before. So I think my kind of Midwestern, you know, just being a naive girl, that probably saved me from some of the seedyer side of the fashion industry while I was figuring out, like, okay, how to say no to what I wasn't okay with. Yeah, amazing.

because I always saw you healthy the triggering word I have to figure out what but I always saw you to me you're always like the healthy like supermodel like you were more like sporty and you know had like your shape was always so gorgeous and it was you know what I mean I just you you you embodied something different than I mean every I guess everybody was a little bit but there was something that felt I guess wholesome would be the word I guess you were

the sexy wholesome one the hot sexy wholesome healthy Cindy I think me it just I when I got to New York I realized like

oh I have to exercise in order to fit in these clothes and you know like I grew up eating you know meat and potatoes in the Midwest

I did not know anything about nutrition and not that meat and potatoes are bad I'm not saying that but I had to learn, okay, you know, how to do this. And part of that was fitness for me. And I just was

never one of like the little skinny, like, you know, waif type. That's just not my natural body type. So my options were, you know, at least keep it fits. That became, that became part of one of teenage or whatever. We don't have like a ton of time left, but I want to hear the, I want to hear you met Randy. I know if I told a million times, but I don't know. like how did that all go down was where did you meet randy yeah we met so my agent was getting married and um my agent also went to summer camp with randy when they were kids and so i was coming alone to the wedding and randy was coming alone to the wedding and there were also two other guys coming alone to the wedding and so my agent at the time said why

I don't you just have one of these guys chaperone you. And I knew the other two. And I'm like, no and no. But Randy was like door number three. I didn't know. And we agreed to meet. And Kate, I don't know if you were ever at his first bar in New York. I know you were a little.

Oh, yeah. What was it called? Whiskey. That was the very first one. At the whiskey. Yeah. Vermont Hotel. Anyway, Randy spoke in that.

And it was kind of cool because we weren't meeting as a day. date like it was so I think what was interesting about that is you weren't on a date behavior you weren't like oh wow everything you see is fascinating you know I was really me because I wasn't trying to impress him and I think he wasn't trying to impress me and also he was in his place so it was like oh that's cool like I got to I got to kind of see him doing his thing so we agreed okay let's let's go together the next night he was late I am usually always very punctual. I do not like lateness.

So I'm waiting in my lobby, like tapping my foot, really annoyed because this is before cell phones. And, you know, we get to the wedding late, but, and this is, he had brought a bottle of tequila, which we did shots in the car, and then we co-checked the bottle of tequila. So it's actually funny that he started a tequila company later in life. And anyway, we had a great time with the wedding. So that's how we met. And I think our friendship, like we had like this foundation and obviously I was attracted to them, but like we never went through that awkward stage where I had to say, you know what? I actually really don't like baseball or whatever.

The thing that it states sometimes where you're trying to like be so old and fun. And I think that cut out a lot of like undoing the or you know, like we just instantly were ourselves, not our best version. And then how long before it was like, oh, my God, I think I'm in love with you. Is this, I mean, it was really. I mean, he is pretty hot. I don't think. He's hot, of course. But hot's not everything, Kate.

Of course. It's about the inside, too. One of the things I really love about Randy, continue to love about Randy, is he's very comfortable in his own skin. And he doesn't need to be the center of attention. at all like in fact he doesn't like it so that kind of i don't know i just found that very attractive um but it was a little complicated which i won't go into here but we eventually we were married probably like two years later and yeah we've been married 26 it's been 20 how

how many years now that's 25 wow and never jealous no jealousy like as i i'm only I'm projecting because I've been with Aaron for 24 years. I was I was super jealous. I was the beginning of so jealous. Oh my gosh. Sometimes I'm like, can I make him jealous? But I think I've been with a guy jealous and that's at first it feels good because

you're like, oh, wow, they're so into me. They're so jealous. But then you realize how quickly that can turn. So, you know, Randy's. I have that with Danny. I'm like, aren't you like ever? can you just be jealous once? And then I'm like, this is the greatest relationship I've ever had

because there's so much, we have so much trust and say he just never gets jealous. I've been, I'm fine now. It's been a million years. But in the beginning, I needed to know every dude she was with. I needed to know every sexual encounter that happened with that guy. I needed to know the size of his cram. I needed to know everything. I mean, I, no, because I don't want to.

weird. I don't want to run into some man. I don't want to run into the dude. And all of a sudden they're like, oh my God, Aaron, hey, what's up? And immediately I'm thinking, did you bone this guy? I mean, I just don't want that. I had to know everything. I met Randy when I was trying to get into his bars underage. And he'd let me. I did get into his bars. No, I, but he is the reason why I met Chris really because I went to I was at the sunset marquee and I went into the whiskey bar. I snuck into the whiskey bar. That's when it was Wendell the door guy. That's right. Wendell. Yeah. Yeah. Bless him. Wendell was the yes and I went in there and I was I was 18 and I was sitting and Johnny Ramon introduced me to Chris and Linda. Johnny and Linda. Johnny and Linda

Ramon just said, oh, you should meet Chris and introduced me. And he was so rude. He was so mean, Chris. And I was like, this guy is such an asshole. And because he looked and he's like, how old are you? And I was like, 19. And he's like, what are you doing in here? And then a year later, I met him. And and, and then, you know, he was like, I met you at the whiskey bar. And I was like, yeah. And he was much. I hope so. I'm going to say, and then I fell in love with him being such an answer. And immediately. Immediately it was love. No, but Randy really was like that. Randy was always a part of those moments with when I met Chris and that in the beginning. Randy's brother, big crows fan and deadhead. And so we were always still is. He lived at the sphere this summer.

I'm sure he did. Oh, man. Okay. What advice do you give your daughter when she said, I'm going to model mom? You know, everybody always asked me this. It's my most annoying question I get as a daughter of. It's like, what advice does your, did your mother give you? But as a mother, you know, I know what my advice, but the other way around, when she sort of entered

into that sphere, what was your sort of like going away, parting words to Kaya as she... And before you answer that, to preface this, like, Kate wanted to be an actor, you know, from the get, mom wouldn't let her do movies or TV until she was 18 years old. Like, it was a big thing. You can do plays. You've been offered a million different things. You have the talent. talent to do it, but you are not doing it until you're 18. And in retrospect, do you agree with that decision? Yeah, I'm glad she did it. I mean, she, and then she just threw me to the wolves.

Bye. Funny, because my son started his first job when he was 15, and it was at this little place called Sunlight. It was like a smoothie green juice place. And here's the advice. Here's the advice I gave him, and it's honestly the same advice I gave Kaya in her fashion. Be on time, be prepared, and stay off your phone. And because all the other stuff, well, hopefully she has good manners.

She knows how to conduct her. So all that stuff, like you're doing as a parent for their, you know, first 10, 15 years of their life, right? But in terms of like her, I can't teach her how to model. I mean, she was on set with me. She had her picture taken. So I think she had a comfort level probably like you guys did of even like what a set looked like or whatever. She knew certain photographers or hairdressers and makeup people.

But really like little bird go fly, like figure it out. So I kind of, I mean, because I feel like your mom as much as you say she does. like through you to wolves but she was probably the person you called if you should I do this should I do that and yeah you know because they started modeling when she was 16 the first two years of her life like someone always went with her if it wasn't me it was our nanny who still works for us you know it was like someone was always with her and I was much more involved than what she should do what she shouldn't do with who blah blah blah blah but at a certain point and it was probably more around 1920, I didn't want to be that momager. I wanted to just be mom again because I think

being momager is tricky because you, you know, like when your mom, your only thing you care about is your kid. When your momager, part of you're looking at like, oh, is this good for the career or whatever? I mean, I would always default to mom, but it's not as clean. She's great. She can have a manager, whatever. They know their job. And I'm just mom. And it's much help. It's healthier for both of us now. But she'll still call me for my opinion, which I love. And we actually just worked together last week. We did a promotion together. Oh, fun. My mom always said, what you put out matters. What you put out into the world, it matters. And I sometimes would get in my head. I remember thinking when I would do certain roles, I'd be like, but sometimes I just want to play this role. Like, sometimes I don't want

it to have some big message or, you know what I mean? Sometimes I just want to play something crazy. And so that was actually a hard thing to individuate from was that everything is overthinking everything that I did as an actor as it mattered to the greater, you know, the world. Like, sometimes I wanted to I want to play somebody evil and so that was for me kind of an individuation I think it's important to have that you know is to actually like be able to you know say like oh well maybe mom wouldn't make this choice but but I think I think I have to whether it's a mistake or not I think I have to do that on my own just to feel the water in a you know differently just to you know and I bet I bet your mom's proud of even when

you make those choices your mom is proud of you because oh yeah even finding your own voice like kaya doesn't sometimes I feel like if I tell her to do something or not to do something it's the surest way for her to do the other thing yeah like the other day she was reading she had a book reading and I mean like for her book club and she asked, she gave me to, like, should I read this or should I read this excerpt? And I was like, oh, I really like this one. And then the night of, she read the other one. And I was like, oh, she probably just. Is it the book she was talking to me about? What is it called something like Dickhead? Oh, no, it wasn't that. It was, she did something at the Chelsea Hotel. And it was

all stuff related to the Chelsea Hotel. And I was like, I like the Patty Smith one because no one else was reading Patty Smith. But then she felt it was too. on the nose, I guess. So I don't know, but I'm a little bit, that's fine. Okay, last question. What are you looking forward to right now? You, Cindy, in the, you know, forward moving direction, what are you excited about right now? I think what's really exciting, and I think it can be terrifying for people, is

empty nest. I think if you're lucky enough to still like your spouse, I think, like Randy and I are kind of making a conscious decision to approach it as like, wow, this is cool. We can, like, we're not tied to school schedules anymore. We can travel. We can, you know, do these other things. So like last winter, we spent a couple months in Miami.

And it was really good for us because we didn't spend time there as a family. So I don't have like, you know, here, I'm in Malibu at my house in Malibu. And I always say the ghost of the kids are everywhere, you know, like, oh, I don't remember when they used to go there. The rooms are empty. You walk by them. And it can be sad. There is a sense of loss when your kids launch,

even though we should be celebrating that. And we do that too. But this is a little like quiet around the house. So I think the way we're trying to approach that is like, wow, this is like a great exciting chapter for the two of us to do things that we weren't able to do when we were, you know, really trying to be there for the kids. I love that I love it

It's such a double edge So exciting I mean my kids are 17, 14, 11 I got some time But it's exciting And it's also just completely devastating All at the same time I have a feeling

By the time I'm an emptiness Or I'm going to have grandchildren So I don't think I'm The way I did it I think there's always going to It's just like going to be a You know But I love that

I do I kind of sometimes I actually long for it. I'm like, God, I love to just like be able to go live in Italy for two months and not have to deal with school schedules and, oh, heaven. Yeah. So that's something you could look forward to. Yes. I love it. All right, Cindy. Go catch your plan. Thank you so much. Thank you for joining us. Talking to you guys. I love seeing, I'm jealous that you guys, because you both live here, right? And that's, like, I will say, I love living in California, but I miss that proximity to my family, especially my sisters. It is special, honestly. I mean, myself, Kate, Wyatt, Boston, mom, pa. We all live within 10 minutes from each other, every one of us. So it's pretty cool. All the cousins.

And then when we talk about the idea that maybe we'd move, it's like a family decision. Yeah, so we all move together. Right. Like, we can't move if you're not moving. Love you. Bye, guys. Bye, bye, bye. She's the best. I know. I love Cindy.

Such a good head on her shoulder. She's like smart. She never got into all the bullshit, you know. She's pretty great. She's just a great girl. Yeah. Then Randy's cool too. Yeah, they're great.

I love them and really good energy and fun. They're super fun. And honestly, Kaya, it's always that thing. You're like, your kids are a good representation usually of the parents. There's a, you know, it's a real thing. And Kaya's just the best. Yeah. So it's great.

And she's 58. Oh, my God. Yeah, she's so beautiful. So beautiful. Yeah. It's insane. Wow. There's, there's, you know, beauties in the world that you just look at.

and they're just always beautiful. She's going to be 80 and beautiful, you know. I wonder if I, like, have a shot, you know, like later on down the line. Oh, Oliver. I've got Randy-ish vibes, you know. Yeah, you kind of do. I mean, he's a little healthier and... Yeah, no, definitely.

He's got a stronger, maybe business sense. No way. that's that's wrong no it's actually pretty right no he has no idea he only took his drinking and made it a business you know what I mean and succeeded this is true all right he he turned something poisonous into something beautiful beautiful lucrative um listen I love you and we'll see you Yeah, bye. Hi, I'm Jennifer Lopez, and in the new season of the Over Comfort podcast, I'm even more honest, more vulnerable and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life?

Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcombered podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Do we really need another podcast with a condescending finance brof trying to tell us how to spend our own money? No thank you. Instead, check out Brown Ambition. Each week, I, your host, Mandy Money, gives you real talk, real advice with a heavy dose of I feel uses.

Like on Fridays when I take your questions for the BAQA. Whether you're trying to invest for your future, navigate a toxic workplace, I got you. Listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. It's important that we just reassure people that they're not alone, and there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. tribe save my life twice welcome to season two of the good stuff listen to the good stuff podcast on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast the super secret bestie club

podcast season four is here and we're locked in that means more juicy chisement terrible love advice evil spells to cast on your ex no no no we're not doing that this season oh well this season we're leveling up each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not going to want to miss it. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. Get in here! Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, it's your favorite Jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rule Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Arianna.

to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to casual chaos on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.