Dakota and Elle Fanning
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01:02Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judeyce.Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story.This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rolls Star, Sheena Shea.I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest.There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happybirthday from Ariana to me.I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent.This is a combo you don't want to miss.
01:30Listen to Casual Chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.Hi, I'm Kate Hudson.And my name is Oliver Hudson.We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship.And what it's like to be siblings.We are a sibling rivalry.No, no.Sibling revelry.
02:00Don't do that with your mouth.Sibling revelry.That's good.Oliver Hudson.It's Oliver Hudson.That's me.I'm here.I'm going back to work.
02:28finally in December.Is it going through?Yeah.Are you excited?I am happy.I get to keep my sag card.That's exciting.No, it's good.
02:39It's good.I'm going back to work too.I know.It's kind of fun.Everyone's sort of gearing up.I know.But, you know, I was thinking about it.We're going to get, like, tested every day.
02:47And, you know, you got to get, because there's so, you know, they're so careful.Yeah.I mean, the nice thing about what I'm doing, though, too, is with a sitcom, if people don'tunderstand, it's a very limited crew.I mean, there's going to be no live audienceAnd so it's going to be the actors and the camera peopleAnd that's basically itHair and makeup
03:07Yeah, hair and makeupYou're a showrunnerI'm going to do my own hair and makeupReally?This is a terrible ideaI just want to shout out to CBS right nowTo say that's really not a good ideaI don't know, it might be
03:21I've learned a few things in quarantineLet me tell you what I'm not doing my own hairit's so hard hair is hardyeah for youyeah it was great when I shaved itit was so fun and easyoh my god that felt like years and years and years agowell it was it was
03:40it was three years agoI know that was crazyI'm glad you had your hair backI like met Danny and like I literally was likehey I had this long long hairand I'm like I'm shaving my headthat's how I knew it was loveHe would, every night, he would rub my head and it would put me to sleep.
04:01Oh, that's nice.Well, I've got the in-laws coming in today.I got Brooks and Anne.Oh, that's right.You have the in-laws.And then her brother, too, and Amber.Oh, the whole family.It's time for entertaining.
04:16Yeah, I'm going to be cooking.This is good.Everything's scheduled in my life, which I hate.I hate schedules.I know.I know.But your schedule is like, you know, get the heat ready for the green.egg you know maybe like a a four o'clock bike ride yeah right and then maybe like one one
04:36work call yeah just to make just to make it feel like I'm like doing something in the day you knowit's like no I know I know I I'm I like I like getting into a routine I like being busy I likeI like planning the night before.You know what I mean?Like I'll sit in bed.Okay, what am I going to accomplish today or tomorrow?And then go through that.The two week in advance planning or even the week, like, oh, we're going to this restaurant with these people on, you know, in a week and a half.
05:14I can't stand that.I think that's bad for the soul.It causes stress.I mean, that's really good then that you're married to Aaron Hudson and not GwenPaltrow because, you know,Gwyneth likes a structure.Yeah, but so does Aaron.Gwyneth, I think, would appreciate my free spirit.
05:37That was the best post.Oh, well, I got to thank you.Kate, by the way, put that post together for mebecause I don't know how to do all that stuff.So that was Kate's vision.Oh, Aaron and I were laughing so hard.It was so great.I know.
05:53Do you think it's like me more?But, no, but seriously, I know what you're saying about scheduling, although I have to say, I like having tentative schedules ahead of time, because then you can always cancel.It's not like, you know, I mean, it's not a good habit to get into.I don't think canceling, but it's nice to know that, you know.But then you're a flake.That's the problem.I have a reputation of just being unreliable when it comes to keeping plans because I hate plans.And then they come up and I'm like, I don't want to do this.
06:23right now at all and I'm not and I'm sorry so what I would say to you is that you shouldn't makethe plan in the first place exactly so that's actually the reality is is that what you're doingis planning ahead because it's something you don't really want to be doing so you just have tocut it yes at the beginning of it which is will I really want to go have dinner with so and soand the answer is probably not and so therefore I'm just not going to do itRight, or you know who I am, I'm not going to sugarcoat it, just save a seat for me, like Elijah, like an empty seat, and like I may or may not show up.You know what I mean? I may or may not show up.By the way, what a terrible character trait. I mean, seriously, I'm not saying it's good, but I at least I own it.
07:16The only reason why you're able to get away with this is because you're kind of being funny.I'm charming.But the reality is that is a terrible character trait.No, here, can I have a theory about this.Hey, man, I don't know if I'm going to show up.So just leave a seat, you know?Like, it just depends on what's more interesting to me.It's all about precedent.
07:34I'd be like, go fuck yourself.Yeah, but it's all about precedent.Save you a seat.I'm never inviting you again.If you set that precedent from the beginning, meaning this is who you are.People know who you are and you're unapologetic.Then they accept that.Yeah, you're basically saying, hey, guys, I'm super undependable.
07:53Yeah.Basically, it's like, oh, Oliver's a great guy.There's no doubt about it.But, you know, he may or may not show up.That's who he is.He owns it.And we can't fault him for that.All the other things outweigh that.
08:03He's awesome.And yeah.Yeah.This is terrible.No.It's not.Yeah, it is.I mean, I appreciate honesty and transparency.
08:12Okay, so, but what you're saying is a terrible character trait.I mean, that's just what it is.It's like, if you're going to teach your kids some sort of, you know,basic, basic, you know, positive characteristics.One of them should be dependability.Yeah.You know, you want to be a man of your word or a woman of your word.I do not.
08:38I totally agree with that.But what I'm saying is, don't say that you're going to do something if you're going to cancel.You might as well say, hey, look, there's a good chance I'm not going to make it.So I'm not going to plan it out two weeks in advance.That's great.I get that.I get that.So that's just, that's where I'm at, you know, and I'm proud of the way.
08:58The thing is, is there are certain people, you know, that just will tell you to go, you know, eat somewhere else.Yeah, and I don't want those people in my life, you know.I guess that's the end of our podcast.Oh, here we go.You know what's so funny?I got to the point, and actually, I mean, Gwyneth is the theme of our intro, but.she said to me once that which I totally was like oh god she finally was like you know whatthis is it I'm not going to do the things I don't want to do anymore I don't know why I do
09:35things I don't want to do it just makes me unhappy meaning if you don't want to go I don't want to goto dinner with that person I in my mind I feel like it's the right thing to do but then I'mevery time I dread it I just feel anxiety and things like that exactly and and and why do youthink she's had this epiphany we we do we have late night chats and I ininfluence her.We went on a hike yesterday up to Thomas Lake.It was unbelievable.The leaves are on another level on fire.
10:03Oh, no, I'm so jealous.It was a real one too.It's an eight mile hike, four up, four down.Yes.It was so amazing.It's just so beautiful.Oh, I'm so jealous.So today we got the fannings coming up.
10:19I was so excited.You know, I directed Dakota in my short.that I did 100 years agoandand Paa was in itand it was so much funto see Paa with Dakotaand they did Dreamer together
10:35you know the horse movieyeah Dakota I mean both of the girlsthey're so down to earthand normal and you knowyeah they're so greatthey're livingthey don't live a movie starsort of look at me life at all
10:51when you would expectsomeone who has grown up as a child actor in the spotlight to be all fucked up and they're theantithesis of that i mean they're more normal than normal i love how different they are tooyeah you know because you know l is very much like you know more floaty and artsy she's like a fairyyou know and and dakota is more kind of her feet in the ground and more practical andpragmatic, is that the word?Yeah.I mean, let's do a fact check.
11:28Let's just say this.They're a really nice balance of each other, you know, but they're very different.And there's a lot of love, you know.But I will say that Dakota refused to do Elle's short film, you know, that she's doing a short film and COVID.She, like, turned it down.Yeah, she turned it down.that's so funny but you know they don't hold it against each other no no i like the perspectiveof young girls in hollywood and it's it's not really what you would think and i i think that
12:08that's what i love about this episode is that people have sort of an idea of what it's liketo grow up in hollywood or or the negative aspects of it and i think dakota and l are a reallygood examples of how you can have a careeras a child in Hollywood and stillhave longevity. This is one of the success stories of a childactor, you know, because a lot of them end upin flames, but this one is different. I thinka lot can be attributed to their mother as well.
12:44This was such a great time. I loved catching up with the girls.Listen to Elle. Listen to Dakota. Listen to theWell, before you came on, they were just geeking out on me.The fannings think that I'm the shit because I'm a big game show participant, specifically to tell the truth, which is one of their favorite game shows, the old version.They decided to watch the newer version.And you're looking at the only winner of the door.which is, you know, I've, I swept all the rounds.It's a big deal.
13:26So, you know, I know.I have no idea what you're talking about.We'll get into almost famous, you know, and how that is soothing for them.But right now, this is more about, you know, me being like a top game show contest.Just a game show rock star.Before we get into like your childhood, which I actually know a lot about, just because Pa has been in love with.Dakota as his own daughtersince you guys work together.
13:55We still have thegoddamn horse.No, we don't. Oliver, Giddypassed away. You're wrong.Oh, he did. Giddy's dead. Yeah, Giddy'spassed away. Yeah, butthat's a whole other story.Okay, okay. How did you not know
14:11that? You're like in Aspen.You're there. The horseis gone.These horses, they blendat this point. They're brown.black, their paint, I don't know, you know, I don't know their names.That reminds me at the time when my, the horse I grew up with Bud, you know, they had to,he was very old, but they had to like, you know, put him down and stuff.
14:32But I went up to Aspen and I was so excited because every time I'd go up, I'd see my horse.And I went up and I was like, oh, I don't see Bud anywhere.And mom's like, oh, honey, we put him down like two years ago.I was like, what?This is my horse.You didn't even talk to me about it.What about Mrs. Mott's? We're like, where's Mrs. Mott's and we're eating bacon?No, it's terrible. Mrs. Mott's that was a whole other, yeah, the animal thing in our out.
15:05We ate Mrs. Mott. I don't think we even knew it.That's so dark. I don't even eat pig anymore because I can't handle it.Oh, bacon?Too cute.No, I can't. I'm just in love with the babies.The greatest food of all time.Oh, God. Bacon is the great.My nickname's pig, pigly, all the-a-piglet, yeah, because I have my nose, but I love it.
15:28Because of this nose, you see.Who gave you that nickname?It turns up and in school, I would like, and I can do the noise, I'd be like,oh my.So that was my thing.That's cute.Who gave you the nickname?Your family or friends?
15:49My best friend.boss friend.Yeah.Yeah.So it came from a place with love.I don't think it was, no, I don't think it did it first.I think it was like right as they were becoming friends.She was like, you look like a little pig.
16:00Oh.Terrible.No, but that's sometimes how it works.That's my best friend John, who's been my best friend since the third grade.He made fun of me and that's how we became lovers and best friends.Basically, it was like John comes up and he goes, my hair was crazy.long and disgusting and he goes what do you like have spiders in your hair i'm like no he goes you looklike you have spiders in your hair i'm like you want to come over and play handball he's like yeah what is this
16:34who is this guy is like arnold all of a sudden he's off spiders my austrian friend i'm wonderingdoes he have an accent your your friend from santa monica just oh my god no i think it's probablylike because i don't know it's like oh thisperson when you're however oldit's like ooh they're so cool that they caninsult you like they have the confidenceto insult you and likeright so you're like oh yeah
17:00this is who I'm gonna bemy best friend foreverthe insulting for mestarted so early in my life fromOliver that I just can't handleany insulting from here onout I was dumpoand Hammerhead from like
17:16four onyeahWhich I've already said on this podcast.But you've grown out of your hammerhead, Kate.You know, you've turned it more into like a maco shark.You know, your eyes are a little more facing forward.I grew into my head.My eyes kind of evened out a little bit more.
17:35God.I don't know if we didn't really have any names for each other.It's like a brother-sister thing.We didn't make fun of each other that much, I don't think.We were just really mean when we were young.We were to fight.Were you mean?to each other?
17:51We would definitelywe were not mean to each other.What are you talking about?We would sister fighting.You know what I mean?Yeah, we would definitely fight,but it would be over,you know,
18:01dumb things about like, you know,she didn't want to playsomething that I wanted to playor, you know, like...Hit her over the head.Then Elle was like a pincher,you know, she would like pinchand like bite and stuff.
18:13I was like, oh my God,this freak, like she was likevery wild looking when she was little.This is like when we're really...little yeah yeah no i know it's funny because you you even as a parent like you know that that stuffis supposed to happen siblings are supposed to fight and get angry and get physical and as a parent yousort of wonder where do you where do you draw the line you know where is it like all right you guysare just being brothers and then where are you like okay that now we've gotten you've gotten you're over
18:42the line at this point well when someone cries or gets hurt yeah cries or yes it was likeThere would be a little, there would be minor intervention until, like,she broke the skin of my forearm with her nails and teeth.And then it was like, okay, well, it's clearly no one now.Yeah, it's like, leave each other alone.And then we would just come back for more.What's your age difference?Four years.
19:10We're four years apart.Were your parents disciplinarians, or were they pretty softies?not super strict and not super soft like kind of somewhere in the middle I mean I think like our mom is very um I mean I guess she was I don't know she was we just knew not to like you know if we misbehaved in front of someone she would like embarrass us in front of that person do you know what I mean like you interrupted and I'm not answering your question you know like that's like it was or if we did something it waswas like, well, you have to say you're sorry right now on the spot.And when you're young, that's like, the thought of, like, having to do that is so mortifying that it was...Go back and apologize.We're like, what?Go back and apologize.
19:58She's like, yeah, go say you're sorry.We're like, oh, my God.Like, I'm never doing that.I never want to have to do that.That's so funny.Go back and apologize is the worst thing that is, like, so humiliating.You're like, but it happened five days ago.I know, I know.
20:13It's so humiliating.So I think we knew that we knew the linesAnd we knew what not to crossI mean the other I mean this is just the other glaring thingIs I started acting when I was sixSo so much of myI was gonna say you've been acting you had aYeah
20:27Different kind of upbringing you knowYeah so it was you knowMixed with professionalAnd that was tooYeah I mean I was tooI mean my first roleWas umPlaying Dakota at a young
20:44younger age and so I played like in the flashback scenes I would do a lot of those because you knowand yeah and I am Sam so I just had to swing on a swing with Sean Penn and sleep in the grassand that was that was my first thing playing Dakota um but obviously like I don't remember muchabout that um but yeah real quick how we met was when pa was working with Dakota on dreamer he keptcalling sayinghe kept saying it's like youand mommy in a little girland like Meryl Streep
21:21and he was so in lovewith your work ethicand your spiritand it was like he was relivinghavingyou know his daughterme and so I heard aboutyeah I mean Kate
21:39Kate would go cry in her roombeing like how come he was never like this with meLike, what about me?Why did Cota?Meanwhile, he's talking about all of you guys to me.Like, I honestly, like, working with Kurt was, I've, I've certainly connected with a lot of people, but not quite like him.There was something about, like, just our person, even my personality at that age and, like, his understanding of me.And I think what I liked the most was he did not treat me like a kid at all.
22:13and that was something that when I was younger,it wasn't like, I'm not a kid.It was like, I am a kid, but he just met mewhere I exactly where I was, you know,which was sometimes childlike and sometimes not,and I felt like he could understand that.But the big thing was he would take me on these little like outings,and my mom always used to make me sit in the back seat
22:36until I was like 12 years old.She wouldn't let me sit in the front.And so you were tiny because it's like the smallest.So what he picked.up and I like went to the back and he was likeoh you're with big daddy nowget in the frontI got in the front seat
22:51and I was like oh my godthis is the bestthis is the bestbut nowell Kurt he used to come back and he would sayshe is the smartestactress I think I've ever worked withand when you say that like you
23:08he didn't ever treat you like a kidI think he did really seeI remember when we work together, he just reiterated,she gets it and you don't have to ever repeat yourself.She just gets everything right away.So I think he actually, he did feel that incredibly paternal, like, you know.Absolutely.And still does.
23:30For sure.I know.I know.Well, I think we have one of those relationships where we could go years without seeing oneanother and then it's like, you know, it's exactly the same.This way, we have none of ushave ever been bought a horse.They've all been hand-me-downs for the most part.
23:51You're the only one of us.Yes.Yeah.He ever got a horse for.I was like, Paul, what about me?I want a horse.We'll just take that one.Just take, take, take the, take, take, take moon.
24:04Take moon.I'm like, oh, okay.Okay.Oh, man.Oh, my God.Okay, so let's start from the beginning.Where were you guys born and raised?We were born.
24:19We were both born in Atlanta.Well, yeah, I was born in Decatur.Well, that's Atlanta.See, this is where she's like, I'm born in Decatur.A-T.L. Outlawness.Yeah, yeah.El just wanted to say, El just wanted to say Decatur.Decatur.
24:35Decatur.And then so we grew up 45 minutes south of Atlanta until I was six.And then essentially kind of moved to L.A. when I was six, we sort of moved my mom and I thinking it was going to be for six weeks.And then here we are. So I think that an L joined shortly after.I don't remember Georgia very much. Like I definitely feel like I grew up in L.A.And I went to school here. So this does feel like my home, even though we're a very southern family.I was going to say, mom's got a deep southern accent.Our grandmother, yeah, our grandmother, my mom's mom, who lives with us and has been such a part of us growing up is super southern and, you know, all of the manners and all of that stuff has been a huge part of us growing up.
25:27Yeah, the food too.She's a great cook.She just doesn't like to cook.Fried chicken.It's like pulling teeth to get her to cook it.But it's great.Yeah.I always try and get, we call it.
25:39or gaw, but I always try and get her to make fried chicken.She just hates cooking.She's like, you don't want that.It's like, yeah, I do.I do. I actually really do.Did you move out there and stay out there?I mean, it was six weeks.It turned into forever, but did you go back and sort of pick up your life from Atlanta?
26:00Well, so we moved.My mom and I came here for six weeks because my mom's sister lived here.So it was like, oh, well, see my aunt.spend some time with her, see if this is, like, you know, going to work. I had done a couplecommercials. I had an agent in Atlanta, and I had gotten, like, a bunch of commercials in a veryshort span of time. And so they were like, you should probably go to L.A. and see if it works outfor pilot season. And so we came thinking that it was going to be those six weeks and kind of likean extended vacation. And then I would sort of, we would have a flight to go home on a Saturday.
26:33And then I would get something that was filming the next Tuesday. So it was like, oh, okay, well, we'll have tomove that. So that sort of just kept happening. And then next thing you know, it's like sixmonths have passed. And my mom's like, my two-year-old daughter is at home. Like, what's going onhere? Like, what are we doing? And so we were kind of back and forth for a bit. And then eventually,I would say probably a year and a half, two years after we first came out here. And then whatended up happening wasmy momwhen Elle started working
27:08my mom would travel with me and then mygrandmother would travel with mysister.So now you're saying, Dakota, what's your firstpart? My firstcommercial was a tied commercialand then my firstTV appearance was on ER
27:24and thenmy first movie was wellyou know the funny thing is my first movieactually I always say I am Sambut my first movie was actually Tom Katz.I had a scene with Jerry O'Connell.And that was actually my first, yes.But we don't speak of this.
27:42No, no, I just said I was like, I was like, little girl in park.Like, I was like little girl in park that like slid down a slide and Jerry's like in a crazy robe and I scream and that was it.But Jerry O'Connell was so nice to me and he gave me a signed dollar bill that I will never forget.and I need to find it.So that was actually my first movie.You've got to frame it, the Jerry O'Connell signed bill.I know.I love it.
28:08It's Tom Katz is a 2001 American sex comedy film written and directed by Gregory Porier.Yep.It stars Jerry O'Connell, Shannon Elizabeth.Shannon Elizabeth.That is the description.I know.And then I'm Sam is the, I think I am Sam is the more, you know, the version that I am.usually go with for the first movie.
28:35So how old are youwith I Am Sam?I was six and I turnedseven during the making of it.Do you remember it?I really do. Like I mean, of course it has aphotographic memory. One of Dakota'svery, like, the gifts
28:51of Dakota that she can remembera lot. Like, she has a great memory.I hardly remember anything from being six.Yeah.I mean, I don't remember, like, each day of going to film, but I definitely, like, especially when I watch it, I can picture, like, that set.You know, I can picture, like, little blips of things that happen.I did celebrate a birthday, so I think that also makes it kind of, it sticks in my mind because they, you know, like, how they do.I had a big cake.
29:23Are you one of these actors who sits in the makeup trailer and reads the sides once and then can just go and do all the dialogue?I mean, is that, is that who you are?Yes, she can do that.I usually make sure that I used to do it the night before.But if it's not a lot to say, I can definitely, like, if I'm tired the night before, I can do it in the morning.I'm going to, I'm going to give you more props.I'm not good at learning.I'm going to give you more props than you're going to give yourself.
29:49She could, you could change an entire scene on her at lunch and she will be, like, ready for it in 30 minutes to an hour.Let's be honest.I need, I need at least.six months to learn three pagesbecauseI am horribleI can'tI'm the worst memorizer
30:09everSo I am SamYou're six and then you turn sevenElle are you on set with herduring this time?Are you just in itAre you back in at homeAre you even like aware of what's happening or
30:24No at that timeI was there a little bitI think that you were thereBack and forthNo you were thereI was thereI have photos of, you know, of me on set of, like, the director holding me and things like that.So our grandmother was there at the time.
30:39So again, like, she was with hell.The director holding you.That's hysterical.Like, we have a, we really, we blew it up.We have a big frame.The director's holding me.I desperately, yeah, it's not, I can't say, oh, yes, I remember this sparkling clear, but I, I, I was.I guess on set at that time, but
31:03do you remember doing the swing scenesand the laying in the grass?No. Oh, okay.How, um,how stagey,how stagey was stage mom?I mean, we'll be talking high,big stage mom or,
31:17or not a stage mom really?No, mom is very shy.Like, you'll never, you'll, like,I dare me to find a picture of my mom on the internetthat's not like a paparazzi photo of her walkingwith us somewhere.Like, she's super, like,When it came to, when it came to, like, work and that stuff, like, she wanted, she helped,
31:40she, like, jokes that, like, she helped me with an audition once and, like, I didn't get it and, like,whatever.And she was like, I'm never, like, we're done.I'm not helping her ever again.Like, she needs to just do this on her own.Like, I don't know what I'm doing.Like, it was too much.Like, I don't think she wanted that pressure of feeling like she was somehow involved.
31:58Do you know what I mean?So she was just, like, our mom.Like, she was never.Our manager, like, when I would be on a set, she was always, always, always there, but I would sometimes be like, wait, where's my mom?And they're like, she's in the corner of the stage, like sitting in her chair, you know, like in the dark.Like, she was always there and I always knew she was there and was definitely, like, present and aware of what was going on.But at the same time, she was like, do you know your lines for tomorrow?Like, do you know your lines?
32:29I'd be like, yeah, I do.And she's like, all right, well, there you go.And she would check in and be like, do you know what you're doing today?Like, are you, you feel good about it?I'm like, yeah, I got it.She's like, all right.And so.Did you girls have performance in your family?
32:42I mean, or did this?I was just going to talk about this.Yeah.No.Yeah, no, because we came from a sports family.So mom played tennis in college.Our dad was a, played baseball for the St. Louis Cardinals.And our grandfather, my mom's dad, was a quarterback in the NFL for the Eagles.
33:00So, very heavy sports background.And, like, I mean, we've talked about this.We were a disappointment.Yeah, for a little while.But are you going to be a professional tennis player?It was like, no, we're not going to me.You know, it's like.But wait until you see me do it in a movie.
33:21Yeah, I went to, this is so funny.I, like, God, maybe like a year ago or a couple years ago, I went to the ESP Awards.and like presented tolike rookie player of the yearor something for to Zion WilliamsWilliamson and likemy mom, me going to theSB Awards was the pinnacle
33:42I mean oh mythis is huge you're going to see thisperson like I've never seen my mom more excitedof anything that I've everever going to theSB Awards and likewell they're a big deallike every award are big deals
33:56but you know of courseof course but that's to herher like that's that's impressive yeah yeah but i've always loved like this is something i reallylove having the mom who knows about sports like i love that feeling i don't know it's like afeeling of like we'd get in the you know a taxi cab in new york or something and like you knowit's mom and her daughters or like in the the cab drivers listening on the radio to like the gameor something and you like you know turns it down or like wants to get you knowAnd, like, they underestimate what mom knows.
34:32Yeah.She knows everything.And it's so cool, like, having that mom who, you know, can talk about that.Is she a baseball?Is she, like, like football, baseball, all of it?All of it.All of it.Yeah.
34:45All of it.Yeah.All of it.She knows it all.So now you start.You guys enter this world of acting.Dakota, was it a conscious thing for you to want to do it?or did it just kind of happen?
35:01I mean, I think it was a little bit of both.I think back to like, you know, my mom was a parent who put me into like a lot of different things.Like ballet, gymnastics, soccer, tennis, like just kind of see what I was into.Like, I played the violin.Like, you know, she was sort of had me in a lot of different activities from a really young age to, I think, see what I had a natural affinity.for.And I liked all of it fine.I didn't like the sports.
35:35I was like, I didn't like playing the sports.I once came up to her on the tennis court.It was like, oh, mama, I'm so hot.And she was like, oh, no.This isn't going to work.And so I liked doing all of it fine, you know,but it was like pulling teeth to get me to practice.my violin or like do any of the stuff because I just wanted to play around the house and like play pretend and like set up my own scenarios and you know do all of that yeah and then you like most real baby doll come in yeah and then I know I was about to I was about to ask that like when Elle came into the world was this a happy moment for you or was this a moment of like oh my god
36:19oh you're in love I was so excited I was born during a tornado yeah um and Dakota was sleeping on a cot nextnext to my mom while she was giving birth.But I never woke up.I just slept through it.The whole time.Really?And I was born and then Dakota, mom, I was a surprise with both of us.She didn't find out the gender.
36:40And so then I was born and Dakota woke up.There's a video.She says, what is it?What is it?What is it?My mom's like, it's a girl.I like crawl in the bed with her.And like it was such a, I can never, when I hear of people talking about like having a younger
36:57sibling and being like pissed about it I'm so I just can't personally relate to it because it wasjust so not that I also I was mature I also was mature for my age from the start like even before Istarted acting so my mom like I was four but my mom included me in this process of like we werehaving a baby do you know what i mean like we were and i was like a part of helping and doing allthis stuff and i was super girly so i was always playing like mom and baby doll and so yeah i did iended up getting a real one i mean and then you know if my side track but this was just likewe would play around the house constantly that was our favorite thing to do but we wouldn't performlike people think we wouldn't put on plays like i didn't want any adults to watch it was like we
37:52We did our own scenes and we did it for ourselves.And like, yeah, doors closed and like, but we would be like full on like we would have birthing scenes.So like I would be, I'm like, this is weird.People think this is weird.No, I want to.No, no, no, no.This is amazing.No, I would be like, so I would be like under her back.
38:13No, not.Not that crazy.No, you would not.Yes, I would.No, you would.No, you would.Nice. You wouldn't be like nude.You were playing. It was like Little House on the Prairie. You guys were like having, you were sisters helping each, assisting each other through your homebirth.
38:34Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.And she would be the doctor and she'd be the, like, swaddle me up. Like, we would play all. And because she had her ER thing, she had all of the.Yeah, because I did ER. I had all this medical gear that they gave me.They gave us the real, you know, medical gear. And we would play with that.The more things that look real,the more we made the sets look real,like everything real, the better.So we were doing that from the beginning.
38:59What I love about hearing about thisis like, I wouldn't give anythingto have had that sort of experiencewith a sister. Instead,my brother wasmaking horror films,and I was always the victim.Oh, no. That's what happens
39:14when you're the younger sister with a brother.Oh, yeah.They're like, just going to stand in the fieldand we're going to kill.kill you.Yeah, and by the way, you know, we're going to tape this, we're going to tape this, we're going to tapethis firecracker on you, because it's going to be like a squib, and we're going to tape thefirecracker on you, and we're going to light it, and then run away, and then we're going
39:36to film it, blow up on your chest.And you know, that's how we play.And I would do it.Yeah.Thank God.Because I'd do anything for my brother.It's so funny.I would love to, I would love to, like, just see your parents, you know, listening to you girls deciding what you're going to play.
39:56Like, um, oh, yeah, do you want to play birth? Do you want to play birth thing?You want to play birthday? You want to have been like, oh, Jesus, shit, they're doing the birthing thing again?See, that goes back to the original question of like, how did this happen? I think my mom was like, she couldn't stop it.She couldn't stop us from doing this stuff.So she was like, okay, I guess I'll put Dakota in like a theater camp, summer camp,where you like study for the play and then perform the play at the end of the week,like a drama thing.And that's where it actually started because the head of that program was like,
40:33your daughter's really like pays attention more than the other kidsand seems to be really like present and, you know, seems to really enjoy this.You should, you know, take her to an agency, see if she wants to.let's do some commercials or something.Like, I think she might really like it.And so that's where it kind of started.And, you know, my mom was like, do you want to?And I was like, yeah, sounds good.
40:56What about, what about, you know, when your sister started to work and she was away?I mean, you kind of lost your best friend.I mean, did that, do you remember her not being there?Or were you always together, you know, because you were four years younger?I mean, we weren't always together because, you know, I would.be um off you know doing a film hell would be doing something too yeah yeah um but also i thinkwhat's so great is like we have like a mutual understanding of what we do we're not like we're notsuper involved each other's business we're starting to more now kind of start to do stuff together
41:34and want to kind of merge that but before it's like you did your movie i did mine like i would neverread your script or go over lines together like you no it's our own thing and um and so i think it wasnice like i still felt connected to her at that time like even though yes it was sad and i missed herand i would we'd always find time that i would visit the sets like i remember going on dreamer and likebeing in you know there for a little bit would always come visit i would always come visit but umyeah but we still had like a little like a mutual string because i like i i understood what she wasdoing. I also think that when we were, I also think that when we were home together, my mom,like, because she knew that, you know, I at first and then Elle joining in, like, had kind of work
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45:46There was such an importance on humility and, like, you know, not becoming any sort of person with a big head by my family.And so that never really happened.And there was not like a huge, I didn't feel valued in my home for what I did, you know?Like, it was just a part of, like, our lives and a part of who I was, of course, but it was, like, if I would, like, if I would start, like, really misbehaving or something at home, my mom would be, like, Cindy was our first agent and my agent for until I was 18, she was like, I'm calling Cindy, we're done. Like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, I don't have to be doing this. I don't want to be doing this. Like, if you're going to act this way, like, it's over. I'm calling her right now.like we're leaving and we're like no please like stop you can't she's like okay then like getit together like stop um so there was always this feeling of you know well i also think a feelingof that it could all be i mean taken away in a second not from like our family but it's just likeyou know i don't know with i don't know just like there's so many people that would like to be
47:03in your position and so it was always you know doing what i did was was wassomething that I valued a lot.And then, I mean, in terms of just, I think I didn't,I didn't feel that sort of thinguntil I was a little bit older, like in my teens.Like, I started going to high school.I was homeschooled until ninth grade,and then I went to Campbell Hall.
47:23So I thought it was pretty cool.I remember, like, I don't know if you remember that I did this,but, like, in, like, supermarkets or stores and things.Like, I knew that my sister was famous.Like, I loved it.Like, but you can always tell, like, you know, when someone recognizes the person, you know,and, like, I would be able to see it.And, like, I would be able to see it.
47:47I'm like, oh, they're, like, whispering.And so I would be like, Dakota.Like, I would, like, call it out to be, like, confirm that that was her.And so then I would be, I don't know, then I guess I would kind of feel like the in personbecause then they would come over and I'm like, yeah, I'm the sister.Like, yes.So it would, like, give me cred.Like, I was definitely aware.
48:08that you, you know, that you were known.And I liked that.Like, I liked being a part of the posse.I asked because what's interesting to me, it's like when, for instance, when I knew thatI was getting, like, traction, that kind of year that all of that was happening, you'reaware of it because you're getting asked to do certain things.And you can feel the momentum of people going, oh, we're, we got our eye on this youngactress as a little kid yeah did you feel that momentum or were you did your mother kind of
48:44protect you from that momentum i think i could feel it because i was continuing to work do you knowwhat i mean so it was like because the way it started out was so kind of like well we're you're doingthis we're going to you know this movie's happening and then and then we'll go back to georgia it's likeand then we didn't go back to georgia and then i'm doing something else so i was likeoh okay something isyou knowgoing on here for sureand I think that I have like a knack
49:14for you know being an actorand I was really enjoying itand so I could feel it in that waybut I do think that my mom protected me from itbecause I do think that she didn't wantand I think it's why I'm still an actorand I think it's why you knowit's something that I still love
49:32she it was you knowthe importance was placedon the experiences and not all of the surrounding stuff.You know, it was like the learning experience of, like, being on a set and, like,these directors I was getting to work with and these actors and, like, all of theseamazing people.And again, it was like, I wasn't doing, like, a bunch of photo shoots for covers of magazinesat 10.
49:56You know what I'm saying?Like, that didn't start happening until I was a little bit older.And so then it's sort of kind of, I think it's kind of constantly shifted.and eves and flows and, like, those feelings.I think I'm so used to what I do that it's just such a part of my life.And it's hard to, like, get outside of it sometimes and, like, look, you know, look back into it.My second part to that question is you then have an extreme professionalism that has, I mean, I can only assume that you continue to have that very, like, strict work ethic and professional.that you bring that everybody
50:38talks about. Do you think thatwas instilled at anearly age, that it's your nature?Or do you think it's based onkind of the experiences you've hadwith the people that you worked with from thatage? I think it's a combination.I think it's definitely my nature, though.
50:54Like, I think I've always beena rule follower.I've always, you know, I've alwaysbeen kind oflike,I don't know, don't you think,rule follower like i i i think it's it's my it comes very easily to me to be on time it comes veryeasily to me to you know i don't think it comes easily it's kind of like there's no other way
51:19like you can't not be you know yeah yeah i mean yes so i think i think it's i think it's a littlebit of both i think it is are you the same way al i'm definitely yeah like i mean in terms of likeoh, technicalYeah, on a set.Very professional.Yes.In life.No, but I definitely, I think it is the younger sibling.
51:44It is the younger sibling cliche syndrome of like,okay, I'm going to break the rules, like test the water,see what I can really get away with.Like, I also, I don't know, I think that the older one has to keep all,keep everything going and keep,everyone shit together so L canlike tornado in and tornadois kind of the way it goes
52:08hereWould youWould you guys would you guys sayThat you're very different actressesOr are you similar actresses?That's funny I don't know I feel like people that we've worked with say thatSay that we're really differentYeah and we're supposed to be doing a movie together
52:24For like the first time which we've neverWe're playing sistersWe have never done thatSo it's really going to be interesting.But I mean, I can't, I don't know.We think the same way about things and movie stuff.I've been told by people that have worked with both of us.I've been told that like I'm much more, I mean, not serious, but just I'm a little bit more like still and kind of internal.
52:51And even just my, sometimes my personality even not like someone worked with both of us and they're like, you in the makeup trailer in the morning and your sister in the makeup trailer in the morning are totally.totally different like people like you seem you're not even like you seem like you're not evensisters how different you are you know so I think I think that um in that way what about yourpreparation what about preparation you know I mean everyone does it differently we never talkedabout that you never talk about it I think we get like like cringed out talking about itwe're like like creepy type of acting like there's nothing like there's nothing like avery embarrassing element that I feel like embarrassed.Like I don't know.
53:35It's weird.Like even watching each other's stuff.It's like I can't like watching it with you or like, oh, it's just embarrassing.I don't know.It's embarrassing.Well, it's that thing, isn't it?When you do something that your family knows, like that you all like, I mean, I guess kids would call it cringy.Like there are times when you're watching a movie where you do something and only your family laughs at it.
53:58Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.There's nothing better than when a whole audiencehas no idea what your whole family is laughing at.
54:06You're like, oh, I did that.I said that.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.I mean, we're the only siblings.So, like, I don't know, I just, I feel like, you know,Dakota knows me the best, you know.I mean, you see, and I feel like I know you the best, you know.But, I mean, it's also interesting, like, how, you know,
54:29not relationship, change, but it's like we're still sisters, but now, you know, I'm invited,you know, we're close up in age to, like, I can hang out with her friends and, like, she just got anew house and, like, we're talking about things that we normally, you know, when you're younger,you're so different, like, when you're, like, you know, middle school and high school, it's like,four years for a while feels like a big difference.That's a lot.I mean, how old are you now, Elle?I'm 22.
54:57Okay, so, yeah, you hit that place.like 17 and 13.I mean, that's, like, so different.The things that you're doing on the weekends are completely opposite, you know?Like, there's, so we, you definitely, we were always close.So I feel like there was a time where, like, we were kind of both doing the same things.And then I don't know when it was, but it was like, just something like a crack.And maybe when I would go this, you in New York or something.
55:19And we would have, like, times where we would, like, tell the secrets of what we should.Yeah, like, tell each other things.And that's like, well, because you also hit that point of, like,younger sibling when like the older one is kind of confiding in you or asking like that's reallyexciting you know that feels it's like oh they care about my opinion you know i'm not just like thelittle pest or something you know but you also have to make sure that the things that you tell theyounger one that the younger one's not going to like use against you to your mom like in the heat ofan argument you know so i had to like make sure that that shift had happened before i started
55:54opening up too much um i i think it's so interesting because it's hard totalk about your guy's childhood without talking about making movies. I mean, it's like kind ofimpossible. Right out the gate, you were both immersed in a very different upbringing than mostpeople would ever have. And I know how exhausting it is as even when, you know, as a 20 year oldworking the way that I was working, did you ever have moments when you were a kid where you were like,I don't want to do this anymore. I just want to be a normal kid. I don't want to have to show up towork and I honestly never felt that way you're like never no but I mean when when I actually gotsort of hit with like okay this is what it's really like is when you don't have the child hours
56:48anymore which is when you graduate from high school right so I graduated from high school when Iwas 17, like, you know, eight months before I would turn 18 and you're an adult. So then you'rehit with the long days. You're hit with all of that. And I was like, whoa, okay, this is, I rememberdoing my first, like, real night shoot, you know? Like, when you're older, it's like, when you'reyounger, you can get like special permission from SAG sometimes to work till like 1230 on a non-school night.you know like and so sometimes that happens you know like but it's and you you gain an hour like with eachage so you know it's like six and a half hours seven and a half hours and then three of that has to befor school anyways so um well i mean i think that's and that's a good thing i mean that i don't think
57:40i should have been working any more hours than i was working but you know so i felt very protectedand then when i graduated from high school and and was like hit with the first 16 hour day i waslike, damn, okay. This is like what it's actually like. And I still loved it and, you know,it didn't, it didn't bother me. But no, I never was like I, because I do feel like I, even though,of course our childhood is so defined by making films. Like I, I do feel that I got the bestof both. Like I had the same, I was homeschooled by the same teacher from six until I went toCampbell Hall. When I wasn't working, I would go to her house. So of course, my schooling wasn'ttraditional, but it was consistent. So I think that's important. The things in my like real life when
58:34I would come home were so consistent. Like I could depend upon certain things to happen. So it madethe zipping around the world and the changing and all of that exciting and fun because I knew thatwhen I was going to come home, things were going to be a certain way. And that was always true. And Elle,did you feel like you had a similar experience with your schooling? Well, she started Camel Hall infourth grade. Yeah. So I was homeschooled till third grade. No, fourth grade. Oh my, I went to schoolin fourth grade. Yeah. So Gob homeschooled me or grandmother until third grade. And then I went and I wasLike, I have no friends.Like, I didn't have any, like, kids that were my age that I, like, I hung out with.
59:20Because also, you're on a set and everyone's adults.And I've basically only done, I did super eight.I was 12.Like, those were other, like, those boys also were, they're around my age.But still.I think Elle was craving the social, the social stuff earlier than I was.Yeah.So then I went to, yeah, at nine years old, fourth grade, I went to my school and then I was in
59:42school and graduated from that schoolall the way to 12th grade. And I hadlike proms and the parties. Like Ihad that high school experience which isreally what I wanted. SoAnd Dakota, you don't feel like, you don't feel like you missed outon any of that. Oh, you did have that.No, I went in, I started, I just started in
01:00:00ninth grade. I think for me it was likeI wanted to go to high school.Like I felt like that was two once in alifetime that I didn't want tomiss out on that stuff. So I did.Ninth to 12th. Yeah.I think was just craving the like social aspect a little sooner.Was the boy thing hard because you were known, both of you?
01:00:25Did it feel, I mean, it was easy but hard?Do you know what I mean?Like, was it more like.It wasn't hard for L.It was not, it was not hard for L.Let me just tell you that.No.For me, I did, I think this is just so.
01:00:42a thread through every aspect of my life that I'm just now feeling like it's something that I don'thave to talk about as much anymore because I don't feel it as much anymore. Just literally likein the last year or two is people always think that I'm younger than I am. You know, like they havethis idea of my age, my personality. Like, you know, there's so many preconceived notions about that.And I think there are actually a lot of them are just opposite of what is true in real life,which is also fine with me because I'm also such a private person.So it actually doesn't bother me.Like, it's fine.
01:01:23The one thing that does start to bother you when you're 15 is somebody being like,you look so young still or I remember you and you were seven.It's like, okay, you know, right.Oh, cool.So I think for me with the boy thing, I mean, I have.little things but I felt a little sort of like a little untouchable not because I not becauseboys were like oh you're young not like that but I think they were like whoa not like yeah it was alittle yeah you know what I mean like oh totally like we can't like fuck around with you you know like
01:01:57yeah whatever so I was like yeah you can like it's fine yeah it's okayElle did not feel that Elle was like I think too though I'm gonna just chime inbecause I've known you, you know, I think, too, you're probably,your, like, maturity level was probably incredibly intimidating, like,just your experiences alone in your life.Like, you go to school, the first guy that you're supposed to, like,have a crush on at, like, 15, 16, you know, or, like, you know,is like, oh, my God, like, she's traveled the world.
01:02:32She just, like, in their mind, I'm like, this is just way too intimidating.That's what happened.And in your mind, you're like, I'm really,not that person.Yeah.Oh, yeah. Poor, poor little, poor boys.I mean, they were probably so intimidated.They had no idea where to take you, even if they wanted to take you on a date.
01:02:52Like, you know, a movie was not good enough.And then she pops up on the screen.She's in the movie.Yeah.Exactly.Or in the trailer.In the trailer, right.I was like, it's funny.
01:03:05Relax.It's okay.I like movies, too.Like, I like going to movies.Like, relax.You were like, oh, no, it was too scary.But that's another aspect of my personality is I'm unapologetic about that stuff.So it was like, whatever, you can't handle it.
01:03:20And then you, of course, had, you did everything.And then Elle coming up, she's like prepared for all of it.You know, of course I got like, you know, called into auditions or me or whatever because, oh, that's Dakota Fanning's sister.Like, so let's see what, you know, she can do.Of course, yes, then there's a time you have to, you know, you have to.prove you have to be your own person and like because for a long time i also was like i wouldget recognized as dakota a lot so people would come up to me and say oh are you dakota fanning i'mlike oh no i'm i'm her sister you know so um and you know when i did you know certain movies or
01:03:57maybe like you know i did maleficent and then it was like people kind of started to know me for mea little bit more and i also think we i mean we don't look we don't think we look we don't thinkI don't know. I'm also, I'm like, we know that we look like sisters, but we're like totally different physically.I know. I'm like, I think so. I can really see the difference. Now when, now when we get, because it happened, now I get mistaken for L and like, but sometimes by like somebody doing an interview or something, like, or if I, if it's in a certain setting, I'm like, you know what? It's not that hard. You know what I mean? It's not that hard to know the difference. Like, come on.Even though it doesn't bother me, but I'm just like, what?Did you try to emulate your sister?I mean, did you look up to her and want to emulate her?Or were you conscious of wanting to be different from her and make your own mark?
01:04:49I think it was a bit.I mean, at first it was like I wanted to, you know, everything the big sister does.You want to try out.And it was like, oh, she's doing this, these movies and like a part of that.I want to see what that feels like.But then at the same time, like, I love to.to sing I love to dance and like we watch old videos of us and like I was such a ham like alwayswanted the camera on me always like very attention horror like so it was pretty obvious that like
01:05:18okay this person is going to be in the entertainment world or something but I also prided myself onI think this was something that my mom kind of instilled in both of us is like the differencesand the uniquequirky bits are really importantand my momlike I was the kidI loved clothesand like she would bring me
01:05:40through we'd go thrift shoppingand I like loved all the smellof the old likemusty clothesI was like this is grossget me out of herebut I would goto the dry cleaners
01:05:54and I love itso it is likewe are differentand I realize likeif I want tokind of carve my own path like I have to be different and I have to you were always different thoughlike it was not it wasn't movie based it's just like it was always different from the start she waslike and I like but at least like my mom was like okay like that's fine you can you know we had free
01:06:19dress Fridays at school and I I would wear really crazy outfits and like he made fun of forwearing things and like mom would be like you can wear whatever you want and like go out and that's fine and Ididn't care. So I think I really pride myself on being different. So I don't think I really triedto emulate you. Your mom sounds like a pretty amazing woman, by the way. She is. She sounds likeshe knew how to create structure, but at the same time gave you your freedom to be whoever thehell it is that you wanted to be, you know, let you forge your own path, let you make your ownmistakes, wasn't too involved with every little aspect of your life and your career. I mean,she sounds like a pretty evolved person she is i mean she's definitely like you know
01:07:05wants to now as we're getting older and like she's not going on movies with us anymore and stuffshe like wants to be involved in everything else that we do you know she's like kind of missing thatyou know she's like wait now what you know so we're all so couldn't be closer i mean literally likemy mom is like my arm you know what I mean something that I take for granted that's always therebut if it was gone I would like not know what to do you know like I she is um the closest person to usboth are you able to reflect on what that sacrifice was for her and like what your grandma andmom did for you guys for your careers think about it all the time she gave up her life lifeYou know, I mean, she just like, she just like, that was nothing in her, you know,
01:08:02realm of possibility that she ever, you know, thought that she would do.I don't think.She just, I think, saw something like unique in both of us and realized that, you know,what she had planned out for her life and her kids was going to take on, was going to go downthis different path.And I think it definitely scared her and it definitely made her kind of.you know, uncomfortable at times, but I think that she, like, there's no one that believes inus more as people or as actors or, you know, that we can kind of do and be anything that we want
01:08:39to be and has believed that, you know, from the start of our lives. And so, but I can reflect onthe sacrifice 100%, because I get asked all the time, like would I, if my kid wanted to be an actorat a you know under 18 what would I say and for me it's like I in theory yes but then am I selfless enoughto get because I you need to be with your child all the time then like you can't you have to give upyou have to give that up and and give your own life up a little bit and so I wonder if I if I'mselfish enough to do that as my mom was.Yeah. It's a, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty wild when you, when you think about it.When you're a kid, I know how, like, I, there's certain people that I've met that had a real
01:09:36impact on me in movies when I was younger. Who's the first person for you that was like,for both of you guys, that was like, wow, like, that gave me so much. There's a, there are a lotof people popping in my head. There are definitely two that I'm like, two directors that like, saw,me um there was a movie i did called ginger and rosa i was 13 and sally potter directed thatand sally potter i mean i was at i was also i was 13 like really like in a time of my lifelike really changing and she saw me she had um my first kiss ever was on that set like of likeyou know i mean it was a movie kiss so it didn't really count but like i never kissed anybodyAnd like I tried to pretend like I had, you know, and there was a girl, my friend in the film, she was 17, so she was older.
01:10:35And I think Sally and her like, okay, we knew.They knew that this was like, I was lying.And they made sure they were like, oh, this guy was just in one of the scenes.He was like basically a background, but it was just like, let's make sure, like, do you like him?and, like, they show me pictures to cast, like, who I liked, like, who I thought was cute.And then we had that scene, and then Sally told me years later, who I'm, like, joined at the hip with still.And I worked with her a second time.And she just saw me, but she told me later that they used, like, my first kiss.
01:11:12So it's on screen.Like, Dave, she needs a first tape.You should also like Mills.No, Merrimon-Roe.What?I don't know her.No, it doesn't have to be somebody that you know.Oh, okay.
01:11:24No.Oh, okay.I see what you mean.Like if you've watched in a movie or something.Oh, yeah.No, yeah, Marilyn Monroe, I love it.Well, you could do both.I mean, both.
01:11:33I know, but I just, she has this thing with Marilyn Monroe that's so, you know.That's, okay.Yeah, I mean, I always, like, I don't know.I saw a photo of her when I was, like, six or seven, and I just was, like, so drawn to her.As many people, you know, are, but I became, like, obsessive, and we had to go.We went to auction.of her things.My grandmother bought her.
01:11:55And I dressed up as her in face cream.She, like, dressed up as her, like, at the option.And I was, like, seven years old.I was seven years old.I dressed up in the full thing.I was her for Halloween from the seven-year-rich.I watched that movie, which is, like, not her best film, but, you know, I love this.The iconic white dress.
01:12:12And, yeah, and I was going to the auction, like, doing her voice and pretending to be herand trying on all her bras and, like, ooh, like, doing all that.Oh, my gosh.That's so funny.And they're like, when did you find out how tragic she was?I think I knew.She like started, like, one day it was like, I love Marilyn Monroe and I know all about her and I've watched all of her movies somehow.And we were like, wait, you're seven.
01:12:39Like, what's going on?And she was like, and I will be her for Halloween.And like, there's this auction.It's like, oh, my God.And there's like a notorious story of like, you know, you get the auction book.And so I would, I marked up all the stuff.that she wanted, all the stuff I wanted,which was everything, except for
01:12:56a picture of Joe DiMaggio.I did not want that.It was like, everything else I wanted.You can get a face cream.Wait, this is so amazing.You know, it's so funny because, I mean,when you look, when you think about actresses,you know, she really is to me, like, I mean,
01:13:14when you watch Marilyn Monroe,the magnetism is like otherworldly.I mean, it's really.She really is. She's so funny.Okay, Dakota.I know. I've been trying to think for me, geez.Well, now you have to answer both, in person and...Yeah, there you go.
01:13:33Okay, fine. So, I'm the person.Well, I mean, geez, honestly, I've never felt...I don't know if I've worked with anyone since that I've felt has understood me the way that Kurt does.Like, and I can be...I mean, I think the greatest thing about Kurt is like,You can be super honest with Kurt about like every opinion and feeling that you have.You know, it's like he kind of is open to hearing pretty much anything.Oh, yeah.
01:14:06So, yeah, no, hey, I'll say Kurt any day.No, no, you can't say paw.That's too, that's too easy.Okay, okay.God, I don't know.What do you think?What the heck?I've had so many experiences that I feel like very defined.
01:14:22I think working with Steven Spielberg is definitely one of them, something that I take likegreat pride in having had that experience because I know that it's quite possibly a once in alifetime thing that, you know, won't happen again. And I feel like I appreciated every moment.And he's been such a figure in my life that's been consistent. I think most people that I'veworked with, I think working with me younger has made them kind of step up in that way tolike stay in my life in some capacity. It's like I get a birthday card from Bob De Niro everyyear, handwritten card, you know, like I, there's certain things that have been constant sinceyou know, I was 10 when I worked with him, you know, so stuff like that. A figure, I mean,
01:15:13I think for me like when I was younger and seeing like Meryl Streep,films i was like well that's i mean you know like that's that's what you want to be like you knowand you can only be so lucky but you do you do want to you do want to be like herso i i definitely that's something that's always kind of lived inside of me let me let me ask youhow much how much do you how much because you guys are like actors you know how much do you feellike you have to play the game you separating hollywood and the townand the game and then you've got the craft right of what you guys do how much how how much do you have to wait into the game and how much can you just stay in the craftI feel like as I've gotten older I've realized like well you're you know you find yourself and you're in a different position you know more people or you're able like I don't know you don't have to play the game as like you I can I realize like okay I don't have to play the game as much whatever
01:16:18that means. I think I've realizedlike honestly and I can say thismovies arelike I that's what Iwant to do. I want to direct stuffor write stuff and we want like Iwant that and I crave the creativity of itlike I love thinking about
01:16:33things and the details and the creative sidelike I'm definitely way more thatbut I get the business Ido get the business sideI do think that there's a world of likeI know that there's a life beyondmovies like I don't feelI don't feel like
01:16:50Oh, movies are justEverything in the worldLike I like dream of just like going off the gridAnd like buying a houseDon't say off the gridFrom all of themDon't say OTCGOLLI will take you OTG
01:17:03OTGThat's rightIt's aboutIt's about 200 metersOff of the side of the houseYeah it's justNo, it's just the nearest treeIt's just the nearest tree
01:17:16You know, with a cappuccino off camera.I don't know, there's just something that, like, the game I, I, in parts to me really, like, the part of you want to, like, make fun of the game.Hell's the crazy, like, artist person who's, like, you know, doing the painting and, like, on the phone, like, talking to one of our agents and she's like, who's on the phone, you know?It's like, your agents are on the phone.Like, you know, so she's like, oh, right, hey, like, you know, that's, that's her, whereas I'm, like, very, like, business-minded, you know, like, not, not like, ooh, I have to do this and, like, meet that.I don't even mean like that, but just I'm very business-minded, you know, like, I, of course, there's a life beyond making movies and I, I feel the same way, too.Are you calculated, though? Are you calculated in your choices and sort of how you want,your career to progress?
01:18:15No, probably.I mean, no, I'm much more instinctual than that.But I do, like, Elle and I are starting a company together and, like, acquiring the rightsto books and to articles and, like, you know, thinking about that.And so I do, as I'm getting older, have this desire to set up my life in a way that I'mproducing things that I'm not acting in.Or, you know, that I can really, like, only act in things that I feel super,passionate about or with people that I really want to work with and kind of creating a something
01:18:50that can exist around it that doesn't rely on me acting just because I never want to I still lovebeing an actor so much and I I'm I recognize that after 20 years and starting at six years oldthat's you know I mean also you can't great but I also realize I think both of us realize likeit is a business as well and like you can't be naive to that too yeah like likeAnd, you know, you can.It's like, you want to make the, you want to make the right choices.It's just like, you know, choices are hard so much goes into it.Like, directors, this.
01:19:23Oh, what, you know, it's like, oh, this is like a tiny little indie.Is it worth it right now to go do that, you know?It's just like, I love the script, but what's it going to be?It's like, oh, it's about the experience.But, like, but still at the same time.It's so exciting, though, Elle, what you're saying is you're takingthe narrative into your own hand. So that's, I mean, I think as you get older, especially forwomen, the more we read and the more we're looking at what there is out there, if we're not
01:19:54creating it, it's not happening. You're just sitting back sort of relying on someone to believe thatyou can do something that you know you can do. And I think that's for me. I was like, you know,I don't think you're right for this because you're like this. You're waiting for the okay or theRight. Instead of saying, you know what, I'm going to create this, whether I'm in it or not,we've known for so long female roles are very, really, really gray ones are really hard to come by.Now, there's more of them, but it's complicated. And the reality is, I was just saying this the other day,you know, when you've been around for a little bit, when you're a female, they're always looking for the new female.and it doesn't and it has no reflection on the desire of people to see you it's more of how like an old habitual way of seeing the ingenue or the young new breakthrough female and so when when you start to get so big all of a sudden you're like wait why am i not getting that part i mean i know that's my part and you're like no we're going to give it to the next young
01:21:09Dakota fanning or L fanand you're like oh okay so now is when I start making my own choices now I need to take careand make sure that I'm you know not only like creating a business that can support allactresses and women that I can say yes that's the that's the woman I want in this or this isthe part I'm going to produce for myself and so it's great I mean you're you know at somepoint you always learn that and you either follow through with it as producers or, you know,you end up doing other things.Yeah, yeah, right.
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01:24:03I mean, do you have fights as sisters?Yeah.Like, big ones, like, where it's like, whoa.Like, I don't talk to you for a while.Our whole family is, like, very outburst, like, big, get it all out.Like, say the nasty things, say the back.It's not the best, you know, it's not something to brag about, to be honest with you.But this is the fighting dynamic.
01:24:28That's how we are.And then the next day you wake up and you're like, hey, like, love you.Because, you know, we're not afraid to argue and we're not like, and, and, and fighting doesn't mean that you don't love someone or, you know, that you're not going to speak for a week or a month, you know, we, we.That's never happened.That's never, that's never, ever happened. And it's still over usually, like, stupid stuff or, and also, I, you know, we both know each other so well that I can trace back what she's worried about in her.own head that's making herlike get madat me over something dumb or you know and she can
01:25:09do the same for me so it's likesometimes you can let it go and sometimesyou know we definitely fight butbut really not overanything serious it's it'sI mean fights never are really over anythingserious I mean I guess it dependsfamily but do you remember your last
01:25:25fight wasn't it was yesterday I wasyesterday you were madat me or something then sometimes you just be likeI just don't like the way you're acting right now.You just, you seem weird.Like, oh, you're acting weird.Like, I also feel like we take turns on being, like, emotional.I feel, I think that I also, right now, I'm feeling a little bit left out of this house's dynamic because I moved into my house.
01:25:52And so I think that I can trace back with when I see my mom and Elle being like too buddy buddy for my life.Oh, yeah.and I feel like they're, like, laughing at me behind my backor, like, talking about me behind my backor, like, you know, I'm saying somethingand they're sort of looking at each other.I'm like, well, no.But you guys do that.
01:26:14But if I'm saying, I think we take turns with that,but I think right in this moment,I think that that's what I'm feeling.So if I'm being kind of like a little aggressive with Lor a little on edge,it's because I'm feeling a little, like, you know.Right, but you don't say likeYou're not the kind of person that says
01:26:34Guys, I'm feeling alienatedYou're you'll just be likeWhat the fuck?Talk about laughing behind my backWe were like, she said that she felt alienatedI think I would just be likeYou two are buddy buddy right nowAnd I'm out of here
01:26:53Like I don't like the way you both are actingLike I'm doneIt comes up more like thatYeahBut they know what I'm outmean, I mean, they know what I mean and don't kind of.And then if they don't let it round them up, then I'm, it makes me mad.We definitely aren't like the family of like, I mean, I guess it depends.
01:27:10With our mom, we both have things where, like, mom can give the best advice.I think Dakota's inherited that.Like, Dakota gives really good advice and she's, like, a really good friend.Like, she has a ton of girlfriends and a lot of, like, which me, I'm kind of like moreof, like, lone wolf, like, I don't know.Like, I love being in social situations.But I don't know.I mean, I guess I'm a fine friend, but they're going to be a really good friend.
01:27:36Like I'm kind of an okay friend.Not great.Elle has like two best friends, like, you know, would you say two best friend, like ride or die friends.And I have a lot of people and enjoy the energy that goes into maintaining friendship.I don't know, not that you micromanage, but I think you love managing all the different personality.of your friends and like you can see there are different points of view and like you canunderstand a lot of different types of people and you know how to like a nice person yeahit's called being a nice person that's too much yeah it's called being connected Elle in school
01:28:18like in school I um like my what my best friend you know she's a girl but like I and not thatI'm a guy I don't know a guys girl but I mean kind of like all of my closest friends for school likeI hung out with all the boys, like, but like in a tomboy way, like, I was there, like,I was, like, one of the guys.And, like, those are who, those were my friends.Like, I don't know.So it's like, because I think the way that guys deal with friendship, when she startsspewing all this stuff in front of my friends, they're like, yeah, but Elle, we are
01:28:53your girlfriends, too.Like, we're friends with you, too.Like, you have to count us now.I know.They're getting offended.No.I know that and I agree with that.But I'm like, you know, they're also, you know, your friends, but like, yeah, they've become mine too.
01:29:07Has quarantine and this time where we're not all working on sets and movies and know exactly when our next thing is happening?Is that, is this a nice moment or do you feel anxiety right now?Like, is it a little anxious?I feel more anxious.I'm definitely more on that spectrum.I don't know. I like the go, go, go. So I'm like, I'm like itching to get back to.And not that this is, I mean, it's definitely felt different. But I mean, I've liked the time like being at home because there, I was working a lot. And then I thought I wasn't really going to have a break at all. And then this happened. And it's like, whoa, a huge unexpected break. So I was like, I was not prepared to be sitting still right now. But I am and I guess I have to deal with that. I think with that for me, it's been a little bit more.more anxiety but then i've also been able to think about things that i normally wouldn't think about
01:30:04and like and get creative in a way that i wouldn't probably have the time to do it um so i'd do thatlike i'm doing this short film our whole we have a whole set i've built we've built my mom and i'vebuilt a set in our house a full living that's fun that's amazing that's awesome i'm so glad thatI just moved out for thislikeNo noDakotaDakota you're jealous
01:30:30I'm not holding the boomI'm not your fucking sound guy todaynothis is this is whereDakotaDakota walks into the houseand she goes oh so you'refucking filming something without me
01:30:42literally but I can admit itthat's exactly what I knowoh great did you write me apartam I in thisno noyou turned it downyou turned it downYeah. She's embarrassed.
01:30:54He passed.Embarrassed? No, I just was like, I just kind of don't want to.Yeah, because I'm making people like dogs and stuff.I was like, I just like, you're asking me and I, you know, do you want to do this?And the answers? No.I'm also somebody like, if you don't ask me then if you don't want the real answer.Oh, I don't care.No, no, she didn't.
01:31:13Right.I just got it out of the way in the beginning.I was like, I don't really want to do anything.She was like, okay.For me, in terms of the anxiety and the patients with quarantine, I feel.When I feel that like a huge group of people are in the same boat, it takes my anxiety away because I, even though I definitely do have control issues, not when the globe is experiencing something and like there's literally nothing that little old me can do about it.And so even though that, of course, is anxiety-inducing,it's also comforting to know that so many people are having these feelings.
01:31:57And that kind of has put me at ease to sit.What are a couple silver linings?What are some silver linings for you guys during this time?Silver linings are, I think getting to spend so much time together has been wonderfulto be in the same place for a big amount of time has been great.my best friend had a baby girl who's my goddaughter which is a huge silver lining for meand I got to be here and get to kind of be a part of that which was greatI will honestly and not just because of the theme of this podcast I've said this
01:32:37I've said this unsolicited I do think that Elle and I have in the last few months haveprobably gotten exponentially closer than we've ever been in our entire lives. And I'm reallyhappy about that. Yeah. And I think, I mean, I don't know, maybe it is due to the quarantine.You know, it's like also you're in a little pod together. It's like you've got to hang outtogether. You have no choice. Yeah. I think I think also just the state of the world, you kind ofwhen things feel like they're on fire, you turn to your support system. And it's,where I feel the most comforted, right? And like, at least I know that, that no matter what,even if we can't stand each other in a moment, like, these are the people that have my back.
01:33:26And if you have a solidity in that, like, if it's more solidified, it's amazing. And then I thinkthe other thing that exacerbates it is when, you know, people don't have that. They, you know,it's why so many people are feeling such a deep loneliness right now, too.So it's a really, this time could only really bring you closer to the people that you know are, like, there for you.But it can also bring you closer through adversity, too, because sometimes when you're together, the real shit comes out, you know, and then you're able to then deal with it once it's come to the surface, you know.So that close, that closeness definitely, you know, can start with some infighting and some shod.shit that is pouring out of you because let's face it i mean we've not we have not had to all betogether in each other's faces for this amount of time ever you know whether you're married or
01:34:26siblings or whatever it is even your kids you know yeah but before we go like what is what areyou looking forward to i know we're still kind of in this feels like for our business a holdingpattern but um what is it that's on the horizon that you're excited about well we're excited about themovie that we're you know going to be doing together playing sisters that's something you talk about ityet yeah yeah it's called the nightingale it's based on the book by christen hannah the nightingaleum and it's set in world war two france and um and yeah so that obviously is a something thatwe've not done before and kind of have protected the experience of working together on screenfor the first time i think we're also like we've i don't know
01:35:14as people, and I think in this business, I feel like it's important because, like, once you dosomething for the first time, like, you can never take it back.Yeah.So I think we're very much like that, like going to whatever it, you know, you can't take thatfirst experience back.Like having that.So we've been very protective of it.And so I think that's the thing that I'm looking forward to.
01:35:37Elle, you're doing another season of the great, which I'm excited for.That's exciting.Yeah.Okay, speed round.One word to describe the other.Oh, no.Oh, no.I'm like, there's too many.
01:35:55I say L is fiery.I would say Dakota is determined.Oh, I like it.Okay, what about when you're eight?One word to describe you when you were little?I would say when you were eight, I feel like,you were much more of a rule follower.My name.
01:36:18Dakota is a rule follower when she's eight.I'm a rule follower.I don't mind.There you go.There you go.Exactly.Elle was wild, wild, wild child.Wild child.
01:36:32I ate.What do you think is one thing that each of you needs to work on the most?Like one quality?Some of these things that I think, Elle, that I would have said in the past that she needs to work on, I've seen a big shift in the last maybe year in her.I would have said, like, she needs to work on focusing on, like, the practicalities and logistics of life, like, you know, like to be more practical.Day-to-day stuff to be more practical.Well, I think that that has gotten, like, way better in the last maybe six months to a year.But I think you could still.
01:37:18I think you could still.I would say Dakota needs to work on, I don't know.I mean, like, it makes her who she is, so it's difficult.But for me, I would say it's like the rigidness sometimes.And then you, but you're putting that on yourself.Like, the world is not telling.you that you have to do thisor you'll die. It's like the floor is lava thing.
01:37:43It's like the floor is not lava.It's like you're notgoing to blow up. Like if something isnot okay, you know.Yeah, you'd be fine. Totally.So who's more of the old soul then?Dakota?I would say, I guess. No.
01:38:01I don't know.We both have a little going on.Yeah. Old soul.I feel like I'm like a suck.Because I spent this.is Elle speaking. Because I spent so much time with my grandmother, I have like an old soul likeSouthern lady thing. Like I've inherited that. So like, you know, look at situations in that wayor I'll say like modern day old soul. Yeah. She'll say like geez Louise or like little things like our
01:38:30grandmother had me my pocketbook. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm very nostalgic. I love the past of like,you know, different periods.I feel like I wish I was born in a different, I don't know,era,era maybe.Well, that's the bees, knees.Yeah.Who is more camera shy?
01:38:51Camera shy?I would say Dakota.Me.Mm.Who's bossier?Dakota.For sure.100%.
01:39:00You know, all we need is a couple hours.We know the answer to that way.Yes.Who's more athletic?Given the fact that your family is all athletic.I played more sports in school.Oh, played more sports in school.I mean, listen, we all, like, we are not like...
01:39:17Okay, I threw out the first pitch at the Dodgers game and boom.That's cool.Yeah.Like, she's still singing about the Dodgers game in a very long time.Yeah.No, we're both, I mean, we're both athletic.I just don't enjoy playing sports.Like, at all.
01:39:33Yeah, I like it.So you don't like competitive.You don't like the competitive nature of it?I do like that's the only aspect that I do like but I don't I I'm somebody I don't lovedoing things that I'm not I'm not good at or that I know I'm not good at so I will just sitout I'll just go and judge not for me no I'm good I don't want I don't want to I don'tfeel like it because I just don't I just don't feel like it what is what was your first rebelliousmoment. I mean, I've had, obviously, like, I've definitely, you know, told my mom a bunch of lies
01:40:12in high school about where I was going and, like, you know, that sort of thing, you know, that I'm now,I now feel more comfortable to reveal some of the truths, you know, it's like, when is itcool to, like, tell the truth to your parents about what you were really doing? So I've definitelydone that but getting my um getting my cartilage pierced without mentioning anything to my mom actuallyno i got these two piercings before and then i got my cartilage pierced and like just showed up one daybecause i was living in new york at the time and i just showed up at home and she was like what is inyour ear and i was like if that's if that's rebellion then your mom is like you know it's nothingYeah, seriously.
01:40:57What about you?I'm trying to think.I mean, I definitely would, like, keep secrets to myself, like, when I was really young.Remember I told you about that thing the other day where I would pee on the carpet just because I wanted to?I was like, remember that room?We shared a room for a brief moment.She was like, remember that room?She was like, yeah, you know, the corner, like, behind my bed, like, on the side of my bed.
01:41:21I was like, uh-huh.She was like, yeah, I used to pee over there sometimes for, like, you.And I was like, what?And I was like, why?And she was like, just for fun, just because.That, by the way that you want a little thing.That's funny.So there we go.
01:41:35It is one of those things when you're little, too, you're sort of like, I'm just going to, like, do this because I want to.Did you guys, did you guys tattle on each other or, like, mainly have each other's backs?We, oh, I remember.Oh, do you remember that I was mortified and you did this to me?Yes, and we were playing, it was again, playing a scene.We were playing tattoo artists.And I wrote a whole paper on this in school, actually.We were playing tattoo artists, and I don't know, I was a kid, and I didn't know.
01:42:09And I thought, like, oh, tattoos, like, tattoo artists watch porn.So I came out with, I thought, I don't know, I thought when I was, I was young, and I was like, first of all,no, no, you're.No, that was the thing.Yes, no, you're correct, you're correct.That was the thing.That was, I just thought, oh, tattoos are bad.Like, mom didn't want us to get tattoos.
01:42:29And I was like, ooh, porn is bad.Like, maybe they do the same thing.Tattoes and porn.It's going to be the name of this episode.Yeah.And you help us over my head forever.And finally one dinner.Yeah, because I said, oh, let's, let's, we were playing.
01:42:44We were tattoo artists playing.And I said, let's watch porn.And you were like, and I thought that was, and I was like, oh, my God, that's so bad.And then you, and then we were at dinner.You were like, I'm going to tell her, I'm going to tell her.And then, like, you told Mom, like, that Elle said that.Oh, my God.Oh, my God.
01:43:01But I was like, oh, my God.I was like, oh, my God.I don't remember that.So, sorry.That's so funny.Totally breaking the sibling code.You're not supposed to tell.We definitely don't now.
01:43:12We definitely.And have it for years.No.Okay, who's better at giving speeches?Dakota's really good at giving speeches.Yeah.That's Amy.Yeah.
01:43:20Yeah.Let's see me.What about first celebrity crush?Mine was either Johnny Cash or Dan Zucca.You are so funny.You are so funny.I love it.Johnny Cash is like the greatest first crush ever.
01:43:37My first celebrity crush, I don't know, probably someone in sync or the Backstreet Boys or something like that.Like I wasn't looking back.I don't, but one of those.If your sister was.something other than an actress, what would she be?Oh, Dakota would be a lawyer.Yes.Yep, I would be a lawyer.
01:44:02You would be like a...I would make miniatures.I would make...Yeah, I would do some, like,make, like, dollhouse furniture or something, you know?And, like, set up still lifes of, like,weird plastic toys from the 50s, you know?Like, which she does do with that.
01:44:20I think that would be, like, her primary career path.more adventurous.Elle, Elle, even though I think I am in my own way, but I would say generally, I've gotten a lot more.I've gotten a lot more adventurous and spontaneous, but L.Who's the pickier eater?I think you, me.Yeah, Dakota.Who gives the best advice?
01:44:42Dakota.Night owl or morning person?You're turning, Dakota's turning into more of a morning person.I am turning in, I'm finally living my dream of being a morning person.and L has turned into likean absurd night owlYeah, I've been like saying up until 3.Um,
01:45:01uh,did you everborrow clothes without asking?Was this like a theme for you guys?Yes.I would borrow Dakota's clothes.And then this,here's one of the,
01:45:10now I've done it,I've been doing it to her lately.Yeah.I mean,we're kind of like we're so,we're very,like we're different sizes now,but I would,
01:45:18this is a,you know,being celebrity,whatever,but Dakota would go awayand I would bar.borrow clothes and wear them out.And then one time I got paparazzi
01:45:27photoed in her clothesand she flicked.She like, said,what are you doing?Wear all my stuff.Like, moved to New York and wearing all my stuff.Now I do it to her.Like, I will...
01:45:39I don't care.And Elle doesn't, but it doesn't bother.It doesn't bother her.Would you rather live in the pastor live in the future?Future for me.I live in the past.Favorite movie of all time.
01:45:52Oh, you.What's Eating Gilbert Grape?Great movie.That's your favorite movie?Like, you're going to go on a desert island and bring What's Eating Gilbert Grape?I'm bringing fucking Top Gun.I want to, if I'm going to do, like, a favorite movie that I have to watch over and over again?No, but a Desert Island is different than a favorite movie, though.
01:46:13Okay, you're right.You're right, you're right, you're right.Then what is your desert island and what is your favorite?I would say my favorite is what's eating Gilbert Grape.My Desert Island is almost famous.We've been through this.Oh, yes.Under Island is almost famous, for sure.
01:46:28Um, I mean, I guess I have a lot, but I guess my, maybe my favorite movie, it was my first Instagram handle.Good God.You're like starting to sweat over the sky.I'm not.It was my, uh...Big moment, big moment.It was a big moment.No, I guess Virgin suicides, because it means the most, maybe a favorite movie is my first Instagram handle.
01:46:49Like I was saying, uh, when I got that, I can't believe I got that.user name that was big and then maybe desert island would be never ending story oh great movie oh goodone a trade you okay if you were casting someone as your sister who would it be and it can't beeach other oh god okay oh well who do i get who do people mistake me for all the time oh i knowamanda sea free yeah oh my god of course my boyfriend in high school his momOne day I saw her at schoolAnd she was likeI just cannot wait to see you
01:47:28And dear JohnAnd I was likeIt's notThat's not me and dear JohnBut no, definitelyYeahYou?Her most looked, yeah
01:47:38I don't know who I would get to play youI'm not sureMaybe Carrie MulliganOh Carrie Mulligan's goodThat's goodOkay guilty pleasureI would say for DakotaWe're doing it for each other right
01:47:52Would be probablylike all the reality shows like the real housewives and i mean i don't think you're ashamedin it i don't think you think it's guilty but you know what about below deck love below deckyeah are you watching below deck below deck man is out um yeah uh el your guilty pleasurehell doesn't feel guilty about shit let me just get that clearI don't feel guilty about anything.I love cheese.I love cheese.
01:48:24Like what kind of cheese, though?All kinds, any kind.She loves cheese.I love all cheese.The stinkier, the better for me.No.Disgusting.I like all of it.
01:48:35Monterey Jack.Give me some Monterey Jack cheese.That's so boring.What's your favorite thing in your closet right now for all us ladies who want to know?Oh.My favorite thing are the Eternay.T-shirts.Enterne or Eternet.
01:48:51How do you say?The T-shirts you got that I got.I know.I don't know how you say it.Oh, my God.Yeah, they're like really good white, black, basic T-shirts.Just basic T-shirts.That's my favorite thing right now.
01:49:00I haven't been shopping since March.It's crazy, right?I have very new things, you know.Elle, favorite thing in your closet?Gosh, I mean, my favorite thing in my closet ever, I'm like, I mean, I have like a, I loveCombe de Garsohn, like, I have, like, a whole, like, I love that I go to Dover Street Marketin London, and that's normally, like, that's my big shop, and, like, I'll go and go there.They, uh, they do good shoe collaborations, too. They have some good collab, clubs with Nike, actually.
01:49:33It's so good in London. Um, but then, I mean, yeah, in general, I also just get, like, I've been,I ordered a lot of, like, little flimsy urban outfitters dresses and, like, it's so hotin L.A., like, in the summer, I'm like, I, in the summer, I need to have those dresses.L, are you like me?Can you not throw away really good items of clothes?Or can you not throw away lines?Or give them away.Yes. We have that.
01:49:58We both can't throw away stuff.We also have, like, yeah, we both are that way.We have, like, a storage unit of, like, you know, that they're...Things we've worn on talk shows when we were little and, you know, little things like that.Yeah.Things I've saved for my daughter one day.Yeah, exactly.Now that you have a daughter, aren't you glad that you haven't.
01:50:16throwing anything away yes okay so we ask every you know every siblings um we ask the same questionand it's sort of a two-parter if you could take something from the other a trait whether it's agenetic trait or a learned trait whatever it is that they have and you could take that for yourselfsomething that you would love to have what is that and then on the flip side of it if you couldalleviate something in their life you know that they're going through or that isor that is genetic, what would that be?Okay, can I go for? I'll go first. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So, I would take from Dakota,first off, just like, looks wise, I would like the color of her eyes. I've always been jealous.
01:51:04She has very blue, you know, Betty Davis eyes that way. Like, I would, I would steal that.Yeah, I, and I also wish that I was a little bit more.rational but I and and someone that Dakota is a very good like she has like a very calmingpresence in high strong situations and I it's I can't really calm down I get reallyoverwhelmed and so and she has this crazy ability to kind of assess situations and be able tosee what everyone needs, like in reading the room and observing everyone to see what they needand why they're feeling that way. And I guess I wish I had more of that. And then to alleviate youfrom, I mean, we've talked about this a lot. I mean, it's not the, I wish, but I guess the,
01:52:09I don't know, of your worries and like stresses. I mean, that's, that's, you know, nobody wants.wants nobody wants that and I do think that when it has to do with your own life you you stress likeyou're very good at dealing with other people's problems and giving advice but then when you haveto turn it around on yourself it's kind of impossible for you to do and like even little thingsbecome huge deals where I'm like hey like I just wish you sometimes had a little bit more of likea chill like it will get done the world will keep moving it's okay and sometimes you justeven like packing like for example like you know that's like small but like you cannot i meanyou go off the deep and it's like okay like you're going to get there and you can buy something
01:52:57if you don't have it in your suitcase you know so that's that's a little bit um for for me i um if i couldtake something that el has for myself i think i would take her off the wallendless creativity that she that comes so easily to her and um singing dancing art uh weird miniature likeyou know just her like kind of endless interest in all things creative and like her abilityto actually see them through and make them come to life i think is something that i wish sometimesI will again get bogged down and like nitty gritty stuff and think that it is overwhelmingand not kind of follow through with it. And I think that Elle has like this endless tapof creativity that she has followed through with and I know we'll only continue to follow
01:53:56through with. So I would definitely take that. And also like her free spirit and that sort ofcarefree nature, I think that I'm a little more buttoned up for a long.you know, when somebody meets me, they would think that I'm more buttoned up and she's morekind of wild, which is true. But I wish I had a little bit more of that off the bat.And then if I could alleviate something from her, I think it would be similar to what she saidfor me. I think that we worry about different things. And I think that we get overwhelmedabout different things, which I think makes us perfect sisters because we're able tobe the calm one for the other who's freaking out about something that's not a big deal to us
01:54:38and vice versa.So I would alleviate that kind of,I think that Elle is,Elle feels things very strongly.Things hit her hard.She can, when her feelings get hurt,they get like broken.And I wish that she,
01:55:03which again, is not a bad thing.I think it's wonderful to feel like big feelingsand to have all that.But I think I wish,that sometimes she would, you know,not let it get to a pointwhere it's going to kind of become all-consuming.Oh, I love you guys.
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