Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Dancing with the Sisters: Cheryl Burke and Nicole Wolf

Episode Date: February 5, 2024

Cheryl Burke's life story is the stuff movies are made of. From childhood traumas to long-lost siblings, to run-ins with the Russian mob!! But amidst the drama and the dancing, Cheryl and her little sister Nicole had each other.They join the revelry to talk about their unbreakable bond, their nine-year age difference, and how they overcome their ferocious fights!Plus, find out the mysterious way Kate and Oliver discovered they have ANOTHER BROTHER! And, is Oliver finally ready to foxtrot his way to the Dancing with the Stars ballroom?!?See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory That's good

Oliver I'm very excited about today's guest You want to know why Well you're in New York First of all And I'm in L.A I know and actually

This was a very challenging scheduling situation Yeah Today for some reason It was totally chaotic And it was like No it's a two, I was on this, I was ready at two for this interview and I was like, no, it's at five Eastern time. And then you're like, what? 12.30? And I'm like, no, four. I woke up like, I woke up at 3 a.m. just to sort of make sure I was going to get it all right. But we're here. We made it. We made it. We're here. We made it. I'm excited because I am a huge dancing with the stars fan. As you know, I also have friends. Derek and Joel.

who are friends of mine who are you know have been on that show for years and years so our this guest um for me Cheryl Cheryl Burke is someone I've always loved to watch I think she's an incredible dancer and a wonderful choreographer um and very emotional uh so I like I feel like I know her but I'm really excited to interview her and talk about her crazy sibling situation I know I think she's in the lobby right now waiting but before we get there I you know I think they've asked me to do dancing with the stars a couple times? Oh my god, Cheryl could have been your partner.

Yeah, but I'm too scared. I don't want to do. I can't do. I, you know what I mean? Like, it's not, I'm not there yet. I bet you would love it. You'd like cry about being abandoned. It would be, it would be... Why? You'd be like, interpretive...

You'd be like, this dancer this dance is an interpretation. It's an interpretation of when my father left me on the steps. It's called lonely leather suitcase. And you just like, you just like sit there.

Totally. I don't cry. Okay. All right. Let's not leave Cheryl. Let's not leave Cheryl in the, in the waiting room here for too long. But I love you, Ali. I love you too.

Bring on Cheryl. Hi. How are you? Hi. How are you? Hi, pretty. Hi, how's it going? You look gorgeous.

How's it going? Good. You know, let me the podcast dream. Yeah, that's what it is these days, isn't it? So many podcast dreams. So many. So many. And just so many in general.

I know, but I love a pot. I love a good podcast. When we first got into the game, they were like, oh my God, there's 900,000 podcasts. We were like, holy shit. now there's like six million podcasts exactly exactly well we love it we love we love talking and and obviously because we started this whole podcast about really about the sibling relationship it's so fun because we get to talk to people about things that we don't usually get to talk about you know right yeah no totally i was thinking like should i have done this with my sister but then i was like uh we've got

like a nine year age gap my half sister my life is complicated as you're about to hear um but uh you Yeah, it's an interesting dynamic, but I've heard a couple of episodes, and you guys seem to just nail it, so. Well, we have fun. We try to keep it light on its feet. Yeah. Until Oliver and I start crying, until it gets heavy. Crying is not a bad thing, though, right? No, yeah, we run all the emotion, we run through a gamut of all emotions on this show, you know, from the completely absurd to in a puddle of tears. Right, right, right. Well, it's just normal. It's real life. Cheryl, I was saying before you got on that

I'm obviously such a huge dancing with the stories fan so I feel like I know you because you were on for so many years and just have to tell you I think you're incredible and you're an amazing choreographer and your dance has always moved me thanks so much I can't believe you watch I mean obviously I know that you and Derek

are friends so you know maybe that's the connection but that's awesome and Jules. The whole huff the whole all of those blondies They're taking over the world those huffs oh my gosh I just love them and I know it's not dancing

with the stars but I and I've watched that plenty of times of course but you know when I started watching so you think you can dance or something I think that's what it's called I never knew

that I could be so getting back to crying so moved by two people or one person moving their body to some piece of music there were moments in that show

where I am sobbing uncontrollably and I don't even understand why. It's unbelievably moving at times. I mean, it's an art form. I mean, it is expression through movement instead of, you know, using the complication of language and English. For me, at least, that was complicated growing up.

You know, it was my way of communication was through movement. And I think when you bring authenticity to it, it is a beautiful thing. Or it could be a shit show, you know, it just depends. Well, I feel like with dancers, it's usually a little bit of both. Yes, yes, absolutely. You know, it's a very dramatic, growing up, you know, dance, it's a very dramatic art form as well.

So you bring all of that drama to the floor and to the class and sometimes, unfortunately, to the community. Yes. You know, it's like, but, but, but, but, but, but, but growing, growing up when you're saying that that was your sort of form of communication. Yeah. Was that, was that, was that, was there a reason for that? Was it the way that you, well, how come? Like, why? was that your best form of communication.

I'm going to give you a cliff note version. It's going to sound like I'm so casually talking about someone else's life, but I'm just going to give it to you. Okay. This is the elevator pitch of your life. Right. Yeah. So if you guys want to like act about it or do a movie, you know, feel free. Perfect.

Okay. So at two years old, my mom and my real dad divorced. So my very first memory as a kid was seeing my father with another woman. I was like around two years old. and then I from there my mom remarried my stepfather and what came with my stepfather and his previous marriage was a caretaker who molested both me and my step sister at the time I say at the time because she just passed in August this past August and I testified against him in court I was nine years old and it was happening for like four or five years and it was interesting

because at the time, you know, it wasn't like a physical pain that went, that I guess it's hard to translate, but it's like the physical pain wasn't there as much as the grooming was. You know what I mean? So it was like he acted as that father figure. My mom and my stepdad were both like working and my mother, you know, built a business and, you know, has a rags to riches story. She's Philip she's from the Philippines and you know when she when she divorced my father who went to you know follow his passion which uh was and starts with a P ends with a why I say was because he uh he was very successful attorney in the Bay Area where I'm from and then from there he just fled to the Philippines and then went to Thailand and built a whole strip of strip clubs

in Thailand um in Pataya which is like a small little town yeah and This is not an elevator pitch. This is a, this is, wow. Well, first of all, I just, you know, you, I mean, it's, first of all, I'm so sorry you, anyone would ever have to go through anything like that. But for you, like, that you have to constantly be working through that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Compassion and love for you. Thank you.

And, you know, I was, I was really, really quiet as a kid. My mom thought I was deaf. She brought me to a hearing specialist, and the doctor was like, no. she can hear, she's just going through major PTSD, you know. And so for me, there was, I guess, the communication, the language, there's two languages being spoken at home from my other nanny who raised me practically from when I was born in 84 until I was 13. And she only spoke Tagalog, which is the Filipino language. And then my mother was working constantly, like 24 hours a day. She was building a business and a company. So on top of the sexual, you know, abuse,

and then also the languages. I just was more of an observer. Now I can't shut the F up, but I guess that's what happens. But I was definitely, you know, it was hard for me to communicate through language. So for me, that's why I say, you know, dance was my way of communication. And where did you find dance? Was that something that your mother had something to do with? Or was that something you discovered?

No, I come from the original dance mom. So she's like, get in that. get in the classes you know she put me into everything from like ballet to tennis to soccer horseback riding i wasn't great at school um so i mean thank god for her in the long run but i started in ballet from four to eleven and then literally grew out of my tights like i became a woman at a very early age uh my nine years old i started developing and i basically have the same body that i do now then when i was nine which is insanity um and then yeah and then i just literally grew out of my tights couldn't hang with all the other you know girls and so I switched to ballroom my mom and stepdad

they were trying to find a family sport for us to do and golf just wasn't wasn't it so they're like how about ballroom dancing and I was like that is we're old people but I'll try it like I'll see what if there's kids or whatever I went to a local dance competition in the Bay Area and I saw kids my age you know shake their little butts and I was like sign me up you're like put that little sparkly outfit on me and spray tan and some lashes like are you kidding me yes how long did the stepdad stick around he's still around I call him my dad like he's my dad you know who is the asshole yeah I'm which my real father oh the real father was it was your real father my real father cheated on my mother like multiple multiple times I mean he cheated on her with his secretary then that's why I have a

half sister who I just met at my dad's wake you know right Right. So, and then, and then who knows how many have, I mean, I just did my 23 and me. And I mean, there's a lot. I've got a dynamic of a different, I guess, individuals. So wait, wait, I know I was trying to get this straight. Who did the groom? Who did the grooming? Oh, the man who was sexually abusing me and my step sister who came from my stepdad and his previous marriage. Got it. So he was like the caretaker. Yeah, he drove us around because of the other nanny who only, spoke to Gallag. She couldn't drive. She didn't have her driver's license. Sorry, I didn't make that clear. Got it. Got it. Okay. Okay. Father didn't protect you at all. My father wasn't there. Like he had left. He moved to Thailand or the Philippines and he's, you know, he had so many

different relationships and probably so many different kids. But my mom made sure I connect. I still had a relationship with my real father. So as a new family with my stepdad, my step-sister who looks like a live Barbie doll, like we look nothing alike. You know, she's blonde. I was like this Asian little kid and we would travel to Thailand and visit my dad at his strip clubs. He would live on top of a, I mean, we wouldn't go in the street. I mean, well, we had to actually because he lived on top of bubbles, which is one of his strip clubs. Right. Yeah, the name of one of his strip clubs.

Bubbles. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Interesting. Oh, but then check this out. Then, you know, my father passes away. He was an alcoholic. I'm also an addict as well.

but I've been sober for like five and a half years almost. But my, when we would go visit him, you know, he would just always say to me, never come back here if I pass away. And I'm like, okay, like I was just a little naive. I still felt like my real dad was my best friend. Because as I grew up, you know, we would always like FaceTime and we would have our drink and poison of choice. And we would just have hours and hours of conversations. And then when I went there when he passed away, I guess he was involved in the Russian mafia. And they chased me out of my father's wake because there was this yeah so basically his attorney who was the power of attorney um which is insanity anyway this type man spread a rumor i guess saying my father wired me like 500 million dollars and so but really that wasn't the case wow oh my gosh i know that's what i mean you can't no you can't well that's so interesting so you had a relationship with your father because your mother was keen on you keeping that established, you know. Correct. But your stepdad, who you call dad, is the one who raised you.

I would say, yes, yes. Right. It's not a dissimilar story, you know, because Katie and I have a similar situation where our dad was out of the picture. Kirk came into our lives and basically raised us. Okay. You call him dad? We call him paw.

Paw. Because he, there was a moment we were actually just joking about. right before you came on, where our dad comes to pick us up, there's a fight in the house, and he leaves my sister and I standing on the doorstep with our little suitcases waiting to go for the weekend. And we run inside, and I'm doing an after-school special moment where I'm like, Mom, it's all your fault, you know? And that's when Kurt comes up to us and says, look, I'm not your father, and I'm not Kurt anymore. We need to figure out a name for me. and I will always be here for you.

Even if I'm not with your mother, I will be here. He made that promise to us. And so we came up, he came up, I'm sure, with the name, Pah. So we call him Poppegut. I know we had all kinds of different names. I love it. One of them was popcorn. We were like making up all crazy names.

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Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So your father passes away in 2018. I think so. Yeah. And did you know when you went to the funeral or to the, and to the wake that you were, that you had a half sister at all? Or was she just there? Yeah. No. No. So she actually, my half sister, sorry, I think I said that she was there. It wasn't my half sister. That was there was my half brother who was like a Canadian opera singer. So I had never met him. Now, there are pictures of me and my half sister. I don't remember. Obviously, we were really young. And I think my father, if it was with his secretary, Terry from his law firm, then this must have still, this must have been happening when you know, my mom and dad were separated

in San Francisco. So it's like, so there was this like weird, yeah. So it was like a weird. Overlapped. You're like, uh, okay. I wish that story wasn't as common, but I feel like there's some overlap. Yes. And a lot of. Yeah. So then you have a half brother as well. So you

two did you, you didn't know about your half brother. No, I knew about him. I just never met him in person until then. So what was that like? It, you know, it's all, I always, I don't know, I think probably because of the way what happened to me, obviously I have trust issues and I don't necessarily, you know, trust you and I'm not like the most open, vulnerable person, but I'm learning and I get, I get it, like I'm putting the pieces together. So I, it wasn't necessarily welcoming with open arms. I just wanted to like, because at that time, too, it's like, what's going where? But then

everything got stolen. So you're just like, what is happening? Why am I just seeing you for the first time? What is your, you know, intention with all of this? Like, I swear, you know, my father may have never talked about him as much. You know, I know I'm his first born. So there's just all this like red flags, red flags. Wow. So it's just so complicated. Well, so yeah. So I guess with the strip club business, if you ever interested in knowing this in Thailand, it is very much run by mafia. and so I mean like I couldn't even finish I had to hire armed guards because also they don't speak that much English in Thailand and it was really complicated I hired an attorney it was just a lot and I turned it into like Claire Danes from Homeland like literally this took my life over knowing that you know my father passed away already there was no way of bringing him back but I had so many unanswered you know questions basically and I will for the rest of my life I guess I just have to be okay with it. so are you constantly seeking answers to some of these questions or have you let it go yeah i have to for my own mental health like actually um i don't know if you guys believe in the stuff but uh you know john edwards the medium yeah do i believe in it yeah i live with it so he's like a closet ballroom dancer did you know that he loves ballroom dancing his wife's like a ballroom dancer

anyway i met him years ago and i he's the one that convinced me just to like let it go because it was actually um taking my life over and i was like what am i going to do like this is it my father died there's nothing i can do you know but still it's like i'm just you know an addict in that way what were you what were you obsessing over specifically with this you know breaking into his bank account i was like going because i was like where is everything right like also there was two different wills like i you know in Thailand like it's so shady as shit happens over there and you know at the end of the day, okay, I can fight all day long. It's like, where is it going to get me other than broke, right?

Yeah. Really. Sometimes you just have to let go. Yeah, I know. So thanks to John Edwards. But the addict nature is so interesting where you can, the addiction can be transferred over to pretty much anything. Absolutely. Yep.

And that's when I had just stopped drinking. So it was a full on, yeah, that was where I was all my. energy was going to. And then I was engaged too at that time. So it was just a, yeah. Oh, gosh. I mean, I don't know how that, like that engagement must have been crazy. Clearly it didn't work. I'm divorced. Yeah. Yeah. What is your relationship now with your half siblings? So I'm really close to Nicole, who you're about to meet. She's nine years younger than me. So she comes from my mother and my stepdad. And then. I was, when I was growing up, I was close to my step-sister, who was five years older than me,

but she had just passed away end of August, I believe, from addiction, so. Sorry. Thank you. And then what about your half-brother? I don't really have a relationship with him. And your half-sister. I mean, we talk every once in a while. It's not like at first, I think when this was all happening, I just needed to like, I wanted

somebody that knew my dad. to talk to. And so we became really close. And then, like, you know, I had just just this wall started to develop. And it has anything to do with them. It has everything to do with me and my own issues, you know, so. It's also probably protecting yourself as well. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Have you done 23 and me? And do you have a thousand other halfs? First of all, my father lied to me. I'm not Russian-Irish. I'm straight up Ashkenazi Jewish, 53%. Oh my God. Oh my God. More Ashkenazi Jewish than Filipino. My mother's Filipino.

Wow. And it's pretty cut and dry. Wow. Yeah. That's so funny. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why he didn't tell me that, but I mean, I know why. I thought our dad lied to us because he was so Italian, Italian, Italian.

But the truth is that we were more Italian than I thought we were. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing is we've told the story before, and I'll go, but I have the same, we have the same situation. I show up at my house and there's a note under the door. and it says, my name is Paul. I'd love to have a conversation with you.

Turns out this guy who lives in Utah is my our half brother. My father had him when he was 16 and had to give him up for adoption. Wow. Yeah, so we have discovered this. And on 23 and me, there's potentially another one. Oh, for sure. Trying to figure out. For sure.

I'm almost like, do I even want to know? you know it's like it's just so complicated already but he just left a note under the door he didn't give a good knock no no no there was a note i came home he wanted to be oh he was being respectful yeah respectful wait did he send it in the mail no no no because he was in los angeles he went to disneyland and then slipped under the door and the funniest thing is he didn't want to do it to mine because he thought then i would definitely he thought all of her would be the better way because Totally. You know.

Right. And the irony is, is that Oliver was like, I can't deal with this. I have too. I have enough of my fucking problems. Did he tell you? Like, did you tell your sister right away that this happened? No, yeah. Well, I had Claudia who was taking care of our kids at the time.

I'm like, Claudia, I don't know who the fuck this guy is. Like, I don't know if this is real or not. I said, call this number and pretend you're my assistant. And let's start there. And so she called and she's like, hi, this is all. and he's like, I'm sorry, here's the situation, blah, blah, blah. And then she's like, well, let me see if I can get him. And I'm standing right next to her.

And then I get on the phone. And then I tell Kate. No, you didn't. You didn't get on the phone. No. Oh, maybe I got scared. You never got on the phone. Because then I got on the phone.

I didn't want to deal with it. I have enough for you. I called him. I've been in therapy for my whole life. Like, I can't deal with another situation. Same. I've been 30 and I was fucking four. Like, oh my God.

I'm like, I can't be a therapist. And then Kate takes over. And Kate's like, oh, I'm calling him. We're getting DNA tests. We're getting DNA tests. I'm like, Kate, I love you. You go, go ahead. The best thing was that Paul said, the first thing he said is like, yeah, I guess your brother's, I, she said she was his assistant.

But it didn't sound very professional. Oh, my God. It didn't sound very professional. That was the first thing, which made me immediately realized he actually. was our brother. Yes, yes. Oh, that's so, but he's a great guy. He's a great guy.

He's a, I thought it was so amazing. It's like, I, you know, there's, he has three kids and. And he looks, we saw a picture, we're like, holy shit. Like, have you guys met in person yet? No, no, no. No, I'm spending Christmases or anything. No, we, yes, my gosh. Well, he lives in Utah.

We DM, I DM with him, you know, a little bit here. That's nice. That's nice. Cheryl, do you think there's any. more siblings, do you think? 100% for sure. Yes. I mean, he married one of his employees, I guess you could say.

In Thailand. And supposedly there's like two little... Dancers. There's two little girls or something, but you know what? Oh, okay. Yeah. All I know is I am his first for now. I mean, honestly, nothing shocks me at this point.

Yeah. And your mom? my mom she's great and you're close you're super close well we're as close as we can be look it's a really um different dynamic like you see like you'll meet my sister here in a second and she's she doesn't come from a broken family you know what i mean so it's like it is different like regardless um and you know her her insecurities are may not be i mean i'm not comparing the two it's so different but like but also then she had to see me go on television and then my mother holding like Filipino tea parties at house and like celebrating her daughter her daughter's success on primetime TV for I was on that show for 26 seasons you know so it's like at the end of the day it's so long I just retired

that is so long 17 years honestly that makes me feel like are we all that much older how old are you when you started that show 21 I'm 39 but like but still it's we did two seasons a year I mean it was it's insane I mean I thought I was just going to do one season and go back to him you know yeah well before we get before we get to your sister there's this is so fascinating i get talked for hours about all this i love this intricate dark underbelly crazy shit definitely interesting it is but did you get to know your father well before he passed yeah yeah okay yes and and and how much did you see yourself in him you know what i mean no a hundred percent i am more my father than anybody else that's for damn sure i look like him i look like him

I act like him, which isn't always appropriate. But, you know, it's just, it's interesting. And that's why I felt so close to him. And I didn't really think of him. Yes, it was I hurt by feeling abandoned. And yes, do I suffer from abandonment attachment or whatever the hell? Or no, it's, it's whatever, something attachment. Anyway, who cares?

Insecure. Anxious. Anxious attachment. Oh, anxious. Anxious attachment. Yes. But he knows more about me than my mom will ever know, you know, because I felt safe. I didn't feel judged by him. Yeah. It's so interesting. Oh, really? So you felt more judged by

Mama. Well, yeah. I mean, she was the active, but I feel more obviously grateful for, like, thank God for her, you know, but it's just a different dynamic. Different dynamic. I know. I can't compare. I know kids are always harder on the most present parent. That's perfect. I feel bad for my mom, actually. Have you, have you not been to the Hoffman Institute? Not yet, but I've heard amazing things about it, but I'm a little bit scared. I'm a little scared of it. I've done it. I've done it. It's incredible. It was incredible. Everyone loves it.

I'm just scared of his voice. He's very loud. It's incredible. It's incredible. I heard. No, I'm definitely, I should do that. I'm about to turn 40 in May, so I probably should gift myself. It's a good one. I've thought about it. Okay. September Ones feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects are just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in,

and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos.

And I'm Paula Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith,

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Cheryl rundown and we're like our mouths like our jaws have dropped mainly about Steve Burke Nicole Oh yeah that's a crazy story That is a crazy story This is a wild Wild thing I actually When I met him I took the I took like an iPhone note

Worth of quotes that he would say And they're just like you can't write dialogue that good it's insane i was saying like we should do a move they should do a movie on this whole story it's just fascinating yeah he's such a care he also sounds true character character yeah um he was also a very small person like hence why i like short dudes no i'm kidding really everything in his house was like miniature like like like it was like mini slices of cheese in his refrigerator, like all of that just totally,

it was so, I don't know why this is completely, this is completely changed my perspective on him. I picture him like literally three eight with like tiny charcutory board in his house. In my mind, he was a totally different type of person. Right, no, totally.

Like he's kind of like this macho, like sex of the city that Mr. Big. Yeah, though. Yeah. Definitely not. I mean, his voice is, but he gets, yeah, no, not his looks. Oh, my God.

Yeah. I like the idea that he's, that he's on the shorter side and likes smaller portions. Well, my ex-husband looks, how about this? If you look up my ex-husband, he looks exactly like my father. They look exactly alike, yes. Wait, I feel like I remember, weren't you, didn't you, who's your ex-husband? Matthew Lawrence, the Lawrence brothers. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, got it. It's in my head. No, but like, almost identical. Really? Yeah. That's so crazy. Nicole, where are you?

Are you in, are you in L.A.? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in Venice. And where did you both grow up? Palo Alto, Northern California. So you were up north and then did you, Nicole, do you, did you dance as well? No, not at all. Awful dancer.

Yeah. Awful dancer. No, you were not. When you were a little girl, mom forced you. You were really cute. Yeah, I have some photos of me in ballroom dance competitions. I was like very tiny with the sequins. Actually, what I really used to do is when Cheryl would go and compete,

they would have like tables of people seated around like the ballroom dance floor. And I would go underneath the tables. I was like five, six. And I would pick up the rhinestones that had fallen from the dresses when they were spinning. And I would put them in like little plastic cups and make like art pieces with the fallen feathers in rhinestones. That's so cute. That was my...

It could have been way worse under that table, you know, so I'm happy. It was always awkward and people were like, oh my God, there's a child. I love that as like a

cinematic visual. We're turning this into a movie. That's it. That like should have been in strictly ballroom. I don't know that movie. So, show you were nine

when she was born. Yeah. I begged for a little sister. You did. I did. I even saw Oh, maybe that's TMI. Never mind.

Okay, go ahead. What? You saw her birth? No, I saw the process prior to the birth in the cup when you guys do the thing in the, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that one. The thing in the cup. I saw her as a little, you know. Yeah, sperm.

Yes. And a little sperm. Like a little one of them. You like a visualized her. Yes, yes. I did. I manifested her. That's so cute.

wow so when she was when she was when she was born it must have been an incredible an incredible day for you it was as if i gave birth to her i always say that i'm like your mother i felt that way with wyatt because i have i have my i'm seven and a half years older than my our younger brother and i always felt when he was born it was like having my own doll like human doll you know totally oh i was like playing mom you know yeah i would always pick her up out of the crib when she was crying and I didn't believe in that rule. Like, just leave her. I'm like, that's abuse. That's abuse. Like, no way.

Never happening. Oh. So, Nicole, like, how was it for you guys growing up? I mean, that's a pretty big age difference. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, uh, it was weird until like 18, I guess. Because it was just such an age gap.

Like Cheryl was 16, you know, like when you're, when you're, when she was like, like a teenager. I looked like a little toddler following her around. Like I loved it. Growing up, she would like go into the kitchen and eat an orange and I'd like go into the kitchen and eat an orange. You know, like you just like mimic everything that your older sister does. But then, but then when 18 happened, then it was like you could start hanging out as people and have those types of experiences. But there was like, it's such an age gap and it's different for sure. Right, because then, Cheryl, you left the house at some point when you're 17-18-18-year. But also you're a competitive dancer, so you're probably gone a lot.

Were you competing? A lot, yes, all over the world. Like, I spent my summers in England training, like, the whole round. So you did the same kind of thing that. I've known Derek and Julianne since they were 10 years old. Like, I was at her 10th, I was at Julian's 10th birthday in England. She had an English accent. I'm not kidding.

That's, I mean, I'm not surprised. Yeah, no. but so were you also did you also dance with mark's mom well she i for a little bit um and then i switched over yeah yeah okay so so it was it's a different kind of it's the same world though i just i think i'm like an eight like maybe three four years older but we competed against each other i have a picture of us at a competition in the bay area and it was like me and my partner super tall and remember where I developed that at a young age. So it was like, Julianne was like, she, I looked like I was, yes.

And I was like, I had boobs and a waist and a butt. And then like, then there was little Derek, little Julianne, little Mark Ballast. You know, it just was so crazy. It's so crazy. It's so funny. So when, when Nicole, when Cheryl was gone, was that hard for you? Or was that just like a normal thing? It was a normal thing.

We made like family trips out of where her competition were. So, like, if she had a dance competition in Italy, I've been to, like, random fucking places, like, cherva. Chirvia. Yeah, Italy. Blackpool. Like, you know, and then I just find, like, really weird ways of entertaining myself because I didn't, I didn't really, like, love the whole ballroom thing. So I was just, like, this little kid who would just wander through these, like, massive ballroom dance competitions. So what were you drawn to?

What was I dropped? Yeah. I studied acting in college, and right now I'm finishing my master's in film production. So I've always been, like, creative, for sure, but just wasn't into the dance thing. Yeah. Yeah. When did you guys start to get really close, you know? I mean, obviously, when you're back and forth, you're not there and there's such an age gap, was there that moment where it was like, oh, shit, we're on the same, we're kind of on the same level here.

You know what I mean? It was like, I would say when we started going on these, like, huge trips that I take you on, we went to, like, France. Like, this was like about, what, season, I based my whole life off seasons, okay? So it was like season seven. Fourteen. Season seven hundred and twelve. And that we would go to like Paris. We went to Spain, you know.

Yeah. I think that was like, that was around when I, uh, I graduated high school. So, like, I was like 17 or something like that. And that's why we call each other mouse because we, we went to, Cheryl put me to Paris. And, you know, that's that scene from Ratatouille where the little mouse is staring over all of Paris and the Eiffel Tower. Yes. So we're like, we're obsessed with that movie. So we called it house.

And I think it was like those trips, honestly. So I was in high school. And then Cheryl was like in her, you know, mid-prime. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. yeah so so when Cheryl you're 21 when you started dancing when that started did you start out as a partner or were you in kind of the like I was part I was like a pro pro dancer right away right away yeah I feel like I remember

that and then and then I had that really short haircut yeah I had the dumb and dumber bangs like my uh dance coach just like messed me up blame him and it just always had the boo Yes, it only looked good in movement, though. But if I was here, like, having a conversation with you, it would be quite embarrassing. The, um, what was that like for you, Nicole? Because that show kind of like, it was such a hit. Yeah, I was like fully campaigning for votes for her. I love you.

Like, Mom trained you well. I remember I had like these like buttons that had like vote for Cheryl and Emmett on it. And I would like hand out at middle school all the time. So I was, yeah, I was super into it. I was, I mean, didn't you win with Emmitt Smith? I won with Drew Lachey. My very first two seasons I won, and then it just went downhill from there. Do you blame every partner?

No. I blame my opinions, my mouth. Oh, really? So while your sister's like dancing her heart out, and Nicole, like, I'm just going to say it, which is Cheryl you're saying, like, you've always struggled with, addiction. Was that something that you were aware of growing up with her or well, she's working and was that something that, you know, was challenging to confront?

I think I was mildly aware of it. Like, you have to think, like, when she was, like, your first few seasons, I was like 11. Oh, I was a functioning drunk. So, yeah. So I was really young. so I don't think I understood it until or really clocked it until I was like probably a teenager until I was like

15, 16. And then it was something I was aware of but it didn't really seem worrisome to me until I was probably in my I don't know like late teens

and even why? Why? Why was a worrisome? What happened? What happened? I mean, a lot, I mean, a lot happened, but what, I don't, I can't remember, it's funny. Was it like when we started traveling together and stuff, you started to see? Not really traveling.

I feel like it was, it was like more, because, you know, I would go out with her and her friends, and I was, like, very underage. What? And I would, like, hand the, the bouncer, like, Cheryl's. Bitches and bottles. We were just all up in there. Cheryl had, like, just entered the freaking bar. Literally. And they'd be like, one, you look like you're nine and two, this girl is not in here.

And so it was like, really, I felt like I didn't have a fake ID. So, so I don't, it was interesting to like see, you know, I would like go to bed and they would stay up all night. And I was like, yep, it can't be totally normal. Yeah, no. So, yeah, I got little glimpses of it then. And maybe also on the trips. But it's hard to say if there was like a moment. Because I think when it's your sibling, you don't really think like.

Well, also, I wasn't very educated about addiction. I don't think we were like, we didn't put the word to the action, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And it was also just got normalized with like what all of her friends were doing. Well, I was a ballroom dancer by day and a partier, bitches and bottles at night. Like, I literally, it was seven nights a week. And because I was functioning, that's the scariest I think of with them all is that

no one knew and people when I wasn't kind of out of it people were like what's wrong with you and I'm like yeah see I got to just continue on with the vodka sodas you are functioning in the sense that you could just live your life and have your day yeah yeah then what what was the trigger where it was like holy shit you know I'm an alcoholic it was my father dying like his passing really woke me up I also was like I said just engaged and then I realized that like I was going to fall down this rabbit hole and most likely have to check myself into rehab or just stop. And I didn't tell anybody at all actually when I decided to stop because I never stopped. So I never went one day without alcohol from when I, I would say around 21 to 22 up

up until five and a half years ago. Like it was seven days a week. Never. I don't think. I mean, not never. I mean, maybe like the days where I was so hung up. I think that actually might be accurate. No, I really like like like I think she was actually drinking every day. Like I just put like my tolerance for alcohol. That's the thing. And I think maybe I don't know. Look, I keep going back whether addiction is hereditary or not. I mean, I don't know. I know a lot of people who don't have any of that in their family and they suffer from the disease. But like I just held my alcohol. And there was, it came to a point too where it was like there's not much more I could drink. And I felt nothing you know so were you waking up and boozing i was no no no no definitely not

but it never affected you your relationship together you and i don't know did it Nicole i think it did i don't think it did i just remember when you stopped you it was like the funniest thing because it was it was actually i think the night of your engagement party or like the day yes it was yeah you were like i don't know what's going on but if i drink alcohol i get high So I stopped for vanity reasons And then so she stopped because she was breaking out Like her neck and her under her eyes These red spots

And so like I think the last time I've ever seen you with like A sip of alcohol was that engagement party And then from then on it was just like no it gives me hives No it gives me hives Yeah thank God for that though Because they're also yeah Months and months later Then it was like no I'm I'm sober

Because I so it's like it kind of happened In an interesting way But like yeah You know also no judgment for the way it happens just like no i mean thank god for that to happen i think it was i think the poison my body was rejecting the poison i mean eventually right so i also think part of that we're asian too though i do like no no i never was that a type of asian i was never read i was never like danny my man's that type of asian really he gets he gets red he gets super red and it hurts it hurt you know

it it's like he's like he always says it feels like Like, it feels like an allergic reaction. Yeah. It's like hot for him. Maybe that's what I just, maybe that's why. And maybe you're right, Nicole. No, I, I mean, I get flushed too. That's why I don't drink very much red wine.

Like, like, it's a real thing. I mean, there's something about Asian genetics and there's like an enzyme that helps you break down that alcohol. And if you're Asian, you're less. But like deeper than that, though, I think it was my, I think I was just the trauma in my body. Like, you know, there was not much more I could numb. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. you do you guys fight or is your relationship pretty sweet and we fight we fight I feel like our relationship's pretty sweet and then when we fight it's really bad it's bad it's so sad it ruins my life when I like can't think too I get like like when we do fight it's like periods of time where we don't talk and it'll be like somewhere between a few days and maybe like two weeks and during those two weeks like I can't sleep as well like my heart is like fluttering a lot often you know like you're like you're like dumped or you're in like heartache or something it's like that kind of

like withdrawal sort of thing oh it doesn't happen very often yeah so then why not just pick up the phone who's the stubborn one in that me I think it's a little bit of both of us to be I'm stubborn too yeah what are you what are you fighting about you know family dynamics like bullshit stuff. I mean, it's all bullshit, really, at the end of it, right? Life's so fucking short. It's like, what are we even fighting about for real? Like, we're so focused on something that makes no sense in about a year or two from now.

We'll be laughing about it, you know, but like, it's horrible. I've been on this whole trip. Like, I know it's, you know, I go through my, I have anxiety and I'm on Lipitor, Lexa Pro, and blah, blah, blah, you know. And I got the kids and life can be so fucking overwhelmed. And then you think in probably 100 million years from now, it's just going to be a big ball of fire, this earth. So why do I give a shit? Right.

Why do we care so much? None of it really is going to matter at the end of the day. Amen, brother. Amen. We're all going to be dead. Human civilization will no longer fucking exist. So what are we concerned about? It's a ticking bomb.

Like we're just like literally. Like we're just waiting here. That's it. This is all very true. There is an actual scientific. reason for this. I mean, what you're saying is very rational and makes sense and therefore you would think, and I think that too, when people, as we know, actively live in that frame of mind, they call it like a lot of stoics are like that where they think more practically

about like, well, we're going to die. So today might as well be great. And then also we know that gratitude allows us to like not have that kind of live in that kind of chaos or anxiety. the other but but the reality is is we're just programmed to be negative bias our brains are just programmed to be negative yeah bias so everything it's like the most bizarre things become these sort of like survival instincts that yeah have no use to us but our brain is no totally our brain is like our default is fear we don't listen to our bodies like our body is the most intelligent, you know, thing we each have, yet we, I still, I can speak for myself, still follow whatever my brain thinks it knows better, right? But like, really, the intuition is so

powerful and you're right. Like, but what is the, how do you retrain the brain, you know, and also your brain doesn't know the difference between a lie and the truth? And it's like, what the fuck? You're like, wait, hold on. And then you believe your thoughts and they're not even the reality. And then how you go in this. That's CBT. That's cognitive behavioral thing. therapy right there. That's why I say when people ask about happiness or joy or like optimism, it's like these are all active pursuits. Yes.

There's no like passive happiness. I mean, there can be. Right. But it's not consistent. No, we're like, we're just literally not programmed to be happy. Well, if you think about it. No, totally. We have moments.

Our default is fear. Our prime default is fear. That's why we have survived. Like, I'm addicted to fight, flight, or freeze, because that's all I know, right? Like, really, if you think about every, like, the timeline of what has happened. And when I don't have it, it's almost like I'm addicted to stress in that sense. Because then I don't feel like my, if I'm not stressed, then I'm lazy, right? There's no, like, gray area with me in my brain.

But then, like, I realize when it comes to happiness, my goal is never to be happy. It's to be content, like, actually content. Right. Because, like, that is happiness. It's like, and I'm not, I'd like to say I'm not a fake person. So it's like, I can't fake that. Like, I just can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm going to give you another word that maybe you want to meditate on. Okay. Liberated. Interesting. And then I want to give you another article I've been reading. Yes. I love all this shit.

I just sent it to my family. Lazy brains? Lazy people. it's a sign of high, high intelligence. What? Shut. Procrastinations? So Oliver is going to live on this meme.

I said, where did you find that article? I need to know your resource. Kate, Kate, it's not a meme. It's an article and why it made the funniest joke. My brother, he goes, you're probably so lazy that you just read the headline. I'm like, I did. Oh, my God. I didn't even read the article.

But the article was from a reputable magazine, lazy people. are highly intelligent people. Send that place. I would love to read it. I will. The full article. So crazy. No,

but the human condition is just so fascinating. I mean, at the end of the day, we have all been in therapy for a million years, but it's so fucking interesting to try to understand ourselves. The therapist don't even know

the actual dynamics in the brain. No one. I mean, it's so complicated. We're learning. It's a kind of. It's a constant, it's a constant, you know, constantly changing. Battle. Yeah, or, yeah, or, you know, you're a dancer.

Like, that is a great metaphor for life. Like, in order to feel that uninhibited freedom with your body, you have to go through so much training and so much discipline and a lot of pain goes with that. And you have to let go and surrender and all of it. And then when you, when you're, when you've got all. all that discipline and you've done it. And then all of a sudden you're like actually dancing and you're in it, everything else goes away and you're totally free. Your body's free.

You do hit the fourth state of consciousness. I totally believe that because it's like when people are like, I have an outer body experience, but that's what it is, right? But to lead up to that was a lot. Yeah, I think life, that's just life. That's the same thing, you know. Yeah, you're right. I was in a hip-hop dance crew called the Rice Krispies snapcrackle and pop.

that's amazing we talk about it a lot on the podcast people want to know you know I mean I was I trained a guy named logic came over and like we like

practiced before we went out to the club do you have it on a VHS tape can we see you know but I wish we did we would go to battle all these other crews and like these little like that's wait are you being serious I'm being serious wow

are you a good dancer is he a good dancer I'm a great dancer. Is Oliver a good dancer? Kate. Well, I'm untrained, but incredible. I think you've got talent. I can move. I can move. I can move. Did dancing with the stars that by the end of it, he'd have a lot of progress. Oh, I, you can't be lazy.

No, no, no, no, no. By the way, and I'm not just saying this is a joke. I think I could win it. Okay, calm down, buddy. Calm down. I really do. Let me tell you something. I will train you.

I will train you I will never come out of retirement but I will train you and you tell me if you think you'll win I swear to God I think I can win it because I have natural ability my body moves right What do you mean?

Because it ain't natural ballroom dancing is definitely not natural His hips are definitely stiff stiff So that would be the first You've ballroom dance He's got to like My hips

I can put my head I can put the That's impressive Wait is that really your leg Yeah Shut up. Can you imagine? It's a fake leg. That shot up so quickly.

I was certain that was a cop. I thought that was like, yeah. Is there like no way. No, I heard it again. No, that is not your leg. Is that not, that's not your leg. That's my leg. Stop it.

No, it ain't. It is no way. That is my leg. Wait, first of all, that is, you're more flexible than me. 100%. This is what I'm saying. Is hip mobility? is crazy.

No, that's a leg. He can only move them. He can only move them like that. He can't move them front and back. He can stretch it by back. It was like a mannequin.

Stop it. That's not your leg. That is my leg. No, I swear. I'm a very flexible man. It's just the way it is. This has been so much fun. Cheryl, your life is, Cheryl,

your life is colorful. Thanks. And I'm so grateful that you're so open and sharing those things I always think that when people are really open about their lives that they've experienced all of the things like you've experienced that it was so helpful

to so many people. Thank you. So it's so nice that you're sharing. But let's, can we do a little bit of the rapid fire before we end? I love rapid fire. Okay. Who's the better cook?

Nicole. Actually, I took a baking recently. I'm fucking good. Yeah, she's going to bake it. Yes. You can bake. Overall cooking. I don't know.

Okay. What is your favorite trait about your sister? Which one? Who are you talking to? Both of you. Go ahead, Mouse. Ooh. Super loyal.

The most loyal person. Mm. Mm. A person. Yeah. Period. And for me, it would be how she just has this excitement and happiness for life. Oh.

I love these. Joy of Ville. Okay. If you were going to rob a bank together, who would rob the bank and who would drive the getaway car? Both. I do both. Cheryl does both. I actually feel like Cheryl would definitely drive the getaway car.

Hell yes. So Nicole's like in a van with an earwig, like with a thing, like talking to. I would be the race car driver I've always wanted to be one and I'm pretty good at it I feel like Nicole would be in the bank like distracting people like with she's kind of funny with their kindness and she's witty and funny and she'd be like aw and then you know I think that's what happened

absolutely we should try it who is your what about your first celebrity crush well I wasn't allowed to watch TV but the only hour I watched was 902 and O the original back in the 90s It was obviously Luke Perry. Luke Perry. I slept on his face. I had bed sheets.

Yeah. I was like, oh. I was like, oh, cool. I mean, wait, hold on. You got to make that. In my dream. That came true, I guess. Nicole.

Aaron Carter. Oh, that's a piece. Two two dead people. Sorry, I shouldn't be laugh. Sorry, I'm so uncomfortable. No, no, no. Wait, that's all, that's right. They're both, Aaron?

Yeah. Really, Mouse? I'd had no idea. Aaron or Nick? Aaron, right? Aaron. Aaron? Or is Nick?

Which? They both did Dancing with the Stars. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, gosh. Okay. Guys, what was your, like, childhood song? Like, like, what was a song that was like, oh, this was a song?

my child like kate's was brian adams you know like okay no it was yeah it was like i know that for you like the robin hood yes i fucking love that song yes kate song great song no mine was like van halen jump okay you were young young when jump was around i mean my very first concert was u b 40 remember them amazing red red red red white yeah but i would say it was like My eighth grade graduation was, like, Green Day. You know that song. Yeah, big one. But it was Atlantis Morissette.

I love her. Still do. Jag, a little pill. That was game changer. And my spinner, my CD spinner. I had like Dr. Dre with the freaking wheat, the leaf. You had for like six E-ROMs in her on-roaching. Five.

TLC. Yeah. Yeah. God damn. This was the time. This was the time that set. That was seven. No, you're nine years younger.

It was really embarrassing. It was nickel back. Yeah. You know that song, photograph? Yeah, of course. Those guys were really nice. We, didn't we interview them? Yeah, they were on the show.

Yeah, they were so nice. Yeah, that was Nickelback, right? Yeah, they were nickel back. Yeah, it's like, they were actually really great. I was like, God, you know, and we had to ask that hard question, which was did it feel like like was it hard when people would make fun of your music

you know oh they were made fun of all the time yeah kind of but they you know just laughing all the way to the bank they're fine yeah they're like a meme

they are really yeah um ollie you ask the last two questions okay it's a two-parter I still can get over how flexible you are dude that is insanity one more time though I can't I can't

You're totally faking it. There's no way. I'm like looking for the plastic leg somewhere. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. All right. If there's one thing that you could emulate that your sister has, something that you could take from them that you wish you had, what would that be?

And if there was something that you could sort of extract from them, take away, something that would make their lives a little bit better for them. What would that be? Oh, my gosh. Nicole, you do the honors. Her drive. Like driving in the car? No, like ruthless condition and just ability to like be so wholeheartedly dedicated to something without and take away something like as in.

Like something that like you like burns her that if she didn't have alleviate something, you know. There's a lot of choices. Like like the chatter in her mind. Amen, sister Like, you know It's loud Yeah Like you know

That we all have I think that I think that's something That can be burdensome to her At times That's that self Negative self-talk That's why I used to drink

Yeah Oh Thanks God I wonder if I'm an alcoholic Am I an alcoholic Well you know That's another podcast Yeah

Yeah, we'll talk about it later. I think it's a deeper, maybe conversation with thyself. Get into that with mom, maybe that. No. No, no, no. Mom just thought I was an alcoholic since I was 17. She used to be like, and then I hear you around the house with a little tinkling of the ice going up and down the stairs. I'm like, oh.

Maybe I'm over. Okay, maybe. Okay, Cheryl, you with Nicole. Okay, go ahead. Okay. So what I would, okay, so her hope, joy and just like gratitude for like the present in life

and just how grounded and empathetic and compassionate she has, even though that was like 12 things, okay? No, it's good. And then I think I would take away just like any type of worry of the future whatsoever because all we can live is now in the present so they so they say I'm a future tripper that is for sure it's okay we all are it does feel good though when you have those moments of just sort of spinning out because of something in the future or something you don't have or something you need and then being able to really just settle in to the moment of now

and understand that you're creating this sort of false narrative because of reality You're creating a false reality that is actually causing you pain. And then you're like, oh, wait. And then you're able to sort of find that place where nothing matters and there's that relief. Yeah. Oh, you're right. Do you have to get into one of your flexible poses in order for that to happen to you? Yes, I do.

I do. It's sort of like a lever. And then I feel better. I can't. I can't. This is, oh, my God, I'm very impressed. Thank you so much. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Really fun. And, and Cheryl, you should dance with Oliver. Oliver, you should actually... I'll come out of retirement.

I'll win that shit. I'll win that shit. First of all, you need to change your attitude, okay? You got to change that attitude. Yeah, that's... I'll change it once I'm on the show. But for right now, I'm going to exclaim that I'm going to win. You know, like that whole present living, you can't worry about that mirror ball right away, okay?

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