Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Denise Richards: Tits, Toilets, and Taking Charge

Episode Date: April 7, 2025

From co-parenting with Charlie Sheen, to 'Special Forces,' to her new reality show, Denise Richards talks life on the wild side!From the crazy Christmas with Charlie that was more "jail-y" than "jolly...," to why she doesn't blame her ex for his bad behavior.Plus, what forced her to join 'Special Forces,' and the one demand she made to producers that could have 'flushed' her deal.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:04 In early 1988, federal agents raced to track down the gang they suspect of importing millions of dollars worth of heroin into New York from Asia. Had 30 agents ready to go with shotguns and rifles and you name it. Five, six white people. Pushed me in the car. Basically, your stay-at-home moms were picking up these large amounts of heroin. All you got to do is receive the package. Don't have to open it, just accept it.
Starting point is 00:02:30 She was very upset, crying. Once I saw the gun, I tried to take his hand, and I saw the flash of light. Listen to the Chinatown Stang on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or anywhere you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie.
Starting point is 00:03:05 No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie. That's good. I'm on spring break. I'm taking a break for the spring right now. Essentially, that's what this is.
Starting point is 00:03:27 It is nothing to do with, you know us taking school off and time off for spring um spring is breaking for us that's way i look at it you know i like to be the alpha in spring break so the spring is breaking for us i don't know what the fuck i'm talking about i am in palm desert right now i was just in big sky montana skiing and i'm about to go on a health journey that's what i tell myself all the time and then I get all pumped about it, and then I fucking quit. But I'm calling a nutritionist. I am taking blood.
Starting point is 00:04:10 I'm actually doing a... You guys are going to all get really horny right now. I am about to do a stool sample. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to be great. But you know what? It's time. I'm 48 and a half.
Starting point is 00:04:28 By the time I'm 50. want to be in optimal shape. It feels good to feel good. It's fun to party. It's fun to indulge. And I'm not going to totally eliminate that from my life because, let's be honest, I don't know who I am without it. But I need to move to more of an 80-20 life.
Starting point is 00:04:46 You know what I mean? 80-20 lifestyle. Right now, I'm kind of 20-80. I'm like 1090. I'm like 595, really, the other way. I need to do more of an 80-20. and it's time I think it's time
Starting point is 00:05:02 the Hudson Express has been on the tracks for a long time the Hudson Express has been going 150 miles an hour sometimes bullet train speed it's time that the Hudson Express maybe pulls it in you know
Starting point is 00:05:15 gets a fucking oil change and then turns into a chuchoo you know the Hudson chuchu that's what we're going that's what we're going to go for you know where if I want to
Starting point is 00:05:28 to give it like some fucking you know I've got a button on the choo where I can go 600 so it still exists but then for the most part it kind of just chugs along and enjoys the scenery
Starting point is 00:05:41 that's who I want to be now anyway we have a really fun guest on and yeah I mean it might have been I might have been attracted to her at some point I don't know who wasn't but very cool story
Starting point is 00:05:59 and just very interesting life and very open very cool bring her on Denise Denise Richards everyone everyone give up a clap everyone clap Denise
Starting point is 00:06:12 Denise hey thank you so much for pushing it oh babe don't worry about it I'm horribly late all the time I've tried to be better at my life you know but it's still bad it's hard it's hard i don't know i don't know what it means you know
Starting point is 00:06:34 i don't know if i if maybe i'm entitled or i'm like eh it'll all fucking work out i always have my whole thing it's going to be on my gravestone is like we'll figure it out it'll work out one way or another everything will work out that's how i operate and sometimes to the detriment of other people it's like it'll be fine it'll work out sometimes though i find um with can kids, it's hard to always be super on time. And I, Oh my God. Well, my wife is,
Starting point is 00:07:04 it's something that you just have to live with and deal with. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just late. It's just who she is. It's part of her DNA. You know what I mean? Like, we've been together for 25 years.
Starting point is 00:07:18 That's a long time. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been crazy. 24 when we met. Wow. Good for you. That's a lifetime in this, in this grade.
Starting point is 00:07:30 Oh, God. I mean, it hasn't been without it's complete insanity and obstacles and figuring shit out. You know, that's just normal. That's life. And that's what brings you back together closer. Oh, for sure. You know, and I think a lot of times, you know, in relationships, it's easy to just be like, oh, you know what?
Starting point is 00:07:51 I don't like that. I don't like what you did. You fucked up. And now it's over. because that's what assumingly we're supposed to do oh you hurt me right you it's gone rather than looking at the person looking at the you know the larger view the macro do I love this person is this person an amazing human being are we all do we all have major faults yes do we are we all afflicted one way or another fuck yes so let's figure all that out first
Starting point is 00:08:21 before you just say hey you know what fuck off and I think that's how we've kind of made it work. But I think it's easier to say fuck off when you're just dating, but when you make that commitment for marriage, you're like, okay. Yeah, I'm in. Not for everyone. And some people can say fuck off married or, you know, the other way.
Starting point is 00:08:40 But I think that it's, that's part of marriage too. It's like also. Yeah. And it's even in your eyes it's marriage, even if it's not on paper. Right. Yeah. In your life, in your love life, how much have you said fuck off and how much have you said,
Starting point is 00:08:55 said, we got to work on this. It depends which husband you're talking about. Just go through all of them. I've only had two. I know, I know. The first one was an extreme circumstance situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I was never, I'm, I like to resolve things.
Starting point is 00:09:16 And, you know, I think though, as we get older and you're, you have a specific way of what you want to deal with but also in a mature way of looking at things like okay this is how I see you know shit happens we can fight and say
Starting point is 00:09:37 fuck off or whatever but and then I love you and we're good you know what I mean it's like my husband and I if we say that we know five minutes later we're good and we can go have lunch together
Starting point is 00:09:52 or do something so it's just there's just circumstances sometimes i think and when you have the stress of kids and family and whatever else is going on and sometimes shit happens no i know how old are your kids now um my oldest is 21 and then um 19 she'll be 20 they're 15 months apart so those girls i have with charlie right then my youngest i adopted as a single mom she's 13 she's special needs and actually and Aaron, my husband, he's been in her life since she was four years old. And that's dad. And, you know, we were in the process of doing adoption during the pandemic and then, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:35 shit right. I mean, five ways with all that. So, but anyway, that's her dad, too. Oh, that's great. So your husband's name is Aaron. Aaron, yeah. And my wife's name is Aaron. Oh, oh.
Starting point is 00:10:45 Well, that would be easy. Yeah, exactly. Well, that's so amazing. So you adopted a child with special needs. Obviously, you knew the child had special. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know she had specialness until she was, you know, she wasn't meeting the milestones, typically infants do.
Starting point is 00:11:04 But I didn't, and the doctor, her pediatrician didn't just attributed it as, you know, every child develops a little slower differently or whatever. But then it was as she, you know, when it became time to really start crawling and walking and she was so delayed. and eventually we learned that she was diagnosed with having a deletion in chromosome 8, which contributed to a lot of her delays. And she's primarily what people would consider nonverbal. She says, you know, quite a few words, but not sentences and stuff like that standard. How was that, though? I mean, that's so interesting because what a strange gift in a way.
Starting point is 00:11:51 You know what I mean? It's that silver lining stuff where you think that you, you know, you've adopted this child and then bang, this happens, you know. How did you deal with that initially? You know, and I adopted her as a single mom. Was it hard? Yes and no. I think that obviously she was such a gift to me. and we came to, you know, going through the adoption process, it took a year and a half,
Starting point is 00:12:25 and there were several situations. We have a closed adoption, and she was number 13 with situations. But I always said, I always, I feel children choose their parents, and it feels like in my older girls, they were seven and eight years old when she was adopted or six or seven somewhere around there. And I, they feel like I had her. So I feel like Eloise, that's her name, found me a different way. And so, but my mom, my mom, she passed away a few years before I adopted Eloise. She always told me that, you know, special needs children are children of angels from God. And so that's how I always viewed it. And with Eloise, I've grown with her special needs,
Starting point is 00:13:14 if that makes sense. Like, it wasn't, and by the way, even if I had known she was, I still would have gone through with the adoption. But it has a lot of challenges, especially as she's getting older. But I guess younger, too, it has challenges, but there's so many gifts to with it. Yeah, it's amazing. And then Aaron coming into your life, knowing that he is going to sort of take over or at least add to this union and support you and support Eloise, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:51 it's probably a no-brainer for him, right? Just like, I don't care. Yeah, and that's actually when I really knew how much I loved him was to take in two daughters where my ex was Charlie Sheen. That's a lot to have that ex. With all due respect to Charlie, we're good. There's a lot of ups and downs with that and say that too. But that also to have a man embrace and be the, you know, wanting to be the father to my daughter.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I mean, the whole union was a no-brainer and my love for him too. Yeah. Well, let's go back a little bit. I want to know about your life growing up. Where did you grow up? Did you have siblings, you know? I grew up in a small town outside of Chicago, and I have a sister. We're a year and a half apart.
Starting point is 00:14:53 My mom was a stay-at-home mom. I did not grow up in Hollywood. My father worked for Illinois Bell Monday through Friday. We went to church every Sunday. We went to CCD, my sister and I. We were actually a Nielsen family back in the... No, what? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:10 We have these boxes on our TV because we were your... typical all-American family and they wanted to know what we were watching and all that so we were part of the nielsen ratings that's funny that i'm a hundred well no i mean i my my producing partner we were just looking up you know the whole nielsen world and it still fucking exists i think and it's crazy it was certain yes differently but it's archaic it's like people are clicking on boxes and shit, you know, I mean. They monitored what we were watching so that they could keep track
Starting point is 00:15:47 of ratings for TV videos. Amazing. That's how I grew up. And then my dad, my parents were watching, do you remember or heard of the show, the Battle of the Network stars? Of course. My dad, or my father, I call him Dad, Kurt, you know, Russell is my
Starting point is 00:16:03 stuff that. But he was on that. I know. And we send him clips all the, we send him, I've got Family Affairs, it's called the Family a fair thread, you know, for the texting thread. And I'm always sending clips of him on the network stars. Well, my thought, well, because of him
Starting point is 00:16:19 being on that show, my dad and mom were watching it. And my father used to climb telephone polls in the winter, and he was tired of it. And he couldn't believe all of these stars were wearing shorts in January. So then my dad got the newspaper,
Starting point is 00:16:35 because there wasn't an internet back then, and kept track of the weather and moved us to California, quit his job, moved us. We went from a home that he remodeled himself. We couldn't afford contractors. I didn't grow up with money. And so then we moved to an apartment in the San Diego area, Oceanside, near Crosbad, and I went to a sophomore through senior there in school.
Starting point is 00:17:04 Wow. Yeah. So basically you became an actor because your dad wanted to, We're tiny little dolphin short shorts. I mean, this is what I'm getting, right? Here's the thing. His name's Erv. Erf doesn't wear shorts.
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Starting point is 00:21:10 of the overcomper podcast as part of the mycultura podcast network on the iHeart radio app apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast the super secret festi club podcast season four is here and we're locked in that means more juicy chisement terrible love advice evil spells to cast on your ex no no no we're not doing that this season Oh. Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today, we have a very special guest with us.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The diva of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. We're in the head.
Starting point is 00:22:00 That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heartbreaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Marco Tura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. So you then got into the world of entertainment. How? Well, truthfully, even when I lived in Illinois, I had always wanted to be an actress ever since I saw, like, Greece and those movies. But I never thought it was possible because I lived so far from Hollywood.
Starting point is 00:22:45 And then when I was in high school, my mom, she entered me into a model search. It was for a clothing store called Espray. Oh, yeah. I remember that. Kate, Kate was obsessed. My sister was obsessed with Ospray. Espria was amazing. So I made it to, like, finally I won second place, but there was an agent, there was agents from Los Angeles that were there and one signed me. And so I started modeling when I was 15, 16 years old, doing like 17 magazine, teen magazine. And then the day after I graduated high school, I flew to Japan and was there for a couple
Starting point is 00:23:23 months and then went back and forth between there and New York, which by the way, I can't believe my parents let me fly to Japan by myself, but... How old were you? I was 18, which I was like, I'm 18, but for me, I would, there's no way in hell. I would have, I would be with my kids if they went there right now. No, I know. Isn't it crazy, though, how times have changed where even though we're more connected now, we can monitor our children, literally with fucking GPS, there is still this fear of kind
Starting point is 00:23:54 of letting them go. Yeah. You know, when our parents were kind of just like, yeah, go ahead, just go, go. I mean, I was 17 and I went to Europe with all of my friends. And we didn't have, we weren't given money. It was like we were staying in like hostels and doing all kinds of crazy shit. But no cell phones, no phones, no one wrote a postcard. It was kind of just like, we'll see in three weeks.
Starting point is 00:24:24 So your mom and dad were okay with it. Or were they trying to stop you from? No, no, no, no. They let us go. It's like, all right, cool, go. I have fun. I know that's very different. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:24:34 No communication. They probably liked it. Of course they did. Of course they did. And I guess you have to develop some kind of a trust. You have to put some faith in your kids. And when they're young and when they're 8, 9, 10, 11, you're like, oh, my God, I would, you project. And you're like, I would never allow them.
Starting point is 00:24:55 And now my kid is 17. my oldest and I'm like wow well you know what I would he has a maturity about him I trust I trust him and you kind of have to let them fly a little bit and so I'm I think I'm okay with that shit they're gonna go to he's born to college next year and you have two I have three I have 17 15 and 11 two boys and a little girl so for me it's not necessarily that I don't trust them it's I don't trust them it's I don't people around them you know that's where I'm always I'm so
Starting point is 00:25:32 and my oldest daughters they're like mom stop but I'm like do not even drink water anywhere don't set it down if you go to the bathroom you take that bottle of water with you so I'm more concerned because it's also because of experience
Starting point is 00:25:48 where I worry about that's it's not necessarily them it's the people around yeah no a total Totally. And by the way, as a woman, you know, you have to be extra vigilant, absolutely. But at some point, you have to, there's no choice. We've got to let them go. I know. I'm going to talk to you when your little girl is 17. I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:26:16 Well, especially if you personally have had an experience with something like that. Oh, several. Yeah, that's mine like so. Several. Well, there, I mean, yeah. Meaning, like, drug, meaning, like, shit and drinks? I've had shit happen, and I just am so neurotic with my girls to the point where they're, like, mom. And they're like, just because I said, you just have to be aware. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:26:44 A very aware. Yeah. You know, even friends. You know. Do they have boyfriends? One doesn't, and one, I don't know what he is. Yeah. I'm not sure what how she would define that.
Starting point is 00:26:58 I actually asked her and she goes, we're not putting a label on it. I'm like, that's good. Yeah, great. So I'm not sure. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. You know, I know, it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:27:09 It's just crazy. But you grew up with very famous parents. Yes. Which is very different from how I grew up. Mm-hmm. And my daughters would very much relate to, like, you and your sister. Yeah. that whole thing of having to grow up with the son and the daughter of.
Starting point is 00:27:30 How do they, how have they dealt with that? I think us doing our own reality show actually with them as adults now has been a good thing for them, for them to have an opportunity, which is part of why we made the decision to do it, is for them to be able to have their own voice and to have people get to know them as their own person. and but I didn't realize actually how much it really affected them until we started promoting our show until we started really talking about stuff because that's all they knew was Charlie and I doing what we did for a living. They don't know anything different and all I knew of them was being, you know, our kids. Like, I didn't know certain things that affected them until, you know, the last couple of years, actually, as they have been becoming adults.
Starting point is 00:28:28 They've been able to sort of express themselves a little easier, how they, how they, we're feeling now on how they felt? Yeah, and I think in a way, they weren't, they didn't really, I think part of them really never deep down thought about it until people started asking them, what would it like? Then they had to start thinking about, well, you know what I mean, if that makes sense. And, but I think that they, obviously, they, and I reminded them too, they got a lot of, they got some nice perks being like you could get, right? But I understand the other side, obviously, but I didn't grow up that way. So that's where I would imagine for you and your sister, that transition of becoming an adult and being your own. And I don't know how that affected you or your system. Yeah, well, I mean, it was a little different, you know, because it was, it was, it was, there wasn't the technology that there is right now.
Starting point is 00:29:32 Yes, there were paparazzi, but it was, it was a different kind, you know, you walk and getting off a plane and then all of a sudden like 8,000 photographers jump out of nowhere, you know, in a terminal and start flashing lights, you know. And I've said this before, but I didn't, I did not like it. I did not like the attention. I think being, you know, having been a product of divorce, even though Kurt was in my life, and he raised me, you know, entirely, although my dad and I are, my real dad and I are developing a good relationship now later in life. But still, my mom was sort of my blankie. And when people were trying to take her away from me figuratively,
Starting point is 00:30:14 Right. You know, I didn't like it, and it bothered me. And then I would do everything that I could as I got older to deflect who I was. I wanted nobody to know who my parents were. I wanted my own shit. You know, I just, I wanted to be liked for who I was and not even question it, you know, even though most of the time, no one's going to like me for my parents. There might be some intrigue there, but still, it was something deep in me.
Starting point is 00:30:49 You know, I railed against it for sure, you know. But we were very, they were very open about it. You know, it was like between our, in our four walls, it was normal. It was like, no, you work for what the fuck you get, you're not giving you a ton of money. Of course, we're going to have nice Christmases and do nice things. That's the world we live in. You got you little fuckers got lucky, but you still have to work for your shit. You know, I mean, it was, it was hammered into us.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Well, which is why you guys are such hard workers and, you know, very successful. Yeah. Are your kids actors? No. Lola is very, she's my 19-year-old. She's very much into her faith. And she just started her own podcast. It's faith-based.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Cool. It really is about, you know, wanting people to help, for her to help people if they want to find, you know, Jesus and God that are, especially the younger generation, that it's okay to say that you want to follow that path. So she's very faith-based into that. But Sammy is actually wanting to possibly get into acting and, I don't know. Were you guys a religious family, or was this something she discovered on her own? I was raised Catholic, and then the girls did go to Catholic school, and they didn't have a choice. That's where they went to school. I baptized them, and so, and that's the thing that I also admire about Lola is that on her own, she decided.
Starting point is 00:32:27 She's like, yes, because I was like, I'm getting baptized. And I said, you've been baptized. She goes, no, mom, I'm getting baptized. And I'm glad, you know, it was good for me to understand that. that that was something she made the choice and her decision. It wasn't my mom did it when I was a baby and I didn't even know it was happening. You know, but, you know, my girls have been through a lot as we all have in life. And, you know, for Lola especially, this has been the path that has been really great and very healthy for her.
Starting point is 00:33:01 And so I'm happy for her. And, you know, and to be able to do her own podcast. It's awesome. What's her podcast call? Lola's podcast is called Heavenly Bonded, and my dad actually wants to be her first guest. She hasn't been a guest yet. So he asked if he could be her first guest. That's sweet.
Starting point is 00:33:23 Yeah, she was excited. This is cool. I love it. You know, it would be fun for her to bring on people, too, who are, you know, maybe nonbelievers or people on the fence or their... Right, or different points of view. Yeah, exactly. 100%. That's fun.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Good for her. Oliver, before I forget, you were going to do Special Forces the season. How did you know I was going to do that? Well, you know what? You hear a little... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:55 You, and you were so, I was so excited that you were going to do it. Yeah. I know. I watched some of it. And... Fuck. All right.
Starting point is 00:34:07 Are you... I mean, part of me is happy I didn't and then, of course, part of me wants to challenge myself. You would have fun with the guys, like with Carrie and Cody and Cam and God. I mean, we had a great group. Yeah. Was it, it was it fun? Or was it, was it insane? I wouldn't say it was fun.
Starting point is 00:34:29 It wasn't fun. It was the hardest thing physically I've ever done in my life. it's dangerous i felt it i mean how can it not be but it was really hard i i don't regret doing it i really don't because only because of the people i became friends with it yeah yeah yeah if they weren't there i'd be like well fuck this yeah yeah yeah what i'd be here but um it's it's very challenging um which i knew but it was it's a lot harder than i thought it would be yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh no i know i mean the cold water alone i don't like that i didn't know we were going to do all that water shit it's so much water
Starting point is 00:35:17 stuff because i watched i watched a few episodes like oh fuck it's all water freezing water i did not know it was all water and it was fucking cold as hell and they really do like i'm sure you had all the conversations and all that yeah and when they tell you like you do have to turn your phone in and all that i just thought they just tell people you do there is no food like there is no craft service i thought they would shut things down and say okay you guys are going to go have a break and production would come in and kind of say you guys can go have snacks or do this yeah you know it's not it is it is not that you're you're in it the whole time yes and but you know what's so funny is the pretty
Starting point is 00:36:04 They asked me to do season two and sent me season one. And I was like, hell no, I'm not doing this. There's no way I could do this. Then season three came around and I finally said, yes. But they kept comparing me to your mom. They're really, she goes, Becky would be like, please, please, please, you are my private Benjamin. It's my private Benjamin.
Starting point is 00:36:25 Which is such a huge compliment. So it was very funny. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?
Starting point is 00:37:09 Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I've believed in. to bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.
Starting point is 00:38:17 Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I had this like overwhelming sensation that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call. Said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation. And I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling.
Starting point is 00:38:44 And there is help out there. The Good Stuff podcast, season two, takes a deep look into One Tribe Foundation, a nonprofit fighting suicide in the veteran community. September is National Suicide Prevention Month. So join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines. of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Now it's a personal mission. Don't want to have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission. I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and a traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance
Starting point is 00:39:33 bro? Tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your. podcast. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here. And we're locked in. That means more
Starting point is 00:40:35 juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no, we're not doing that this season. Oh, well, this season we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new Super Secret Bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Okay. That's us. That's us. My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Mycultura podcast network
Starting point is 00:41:23 available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Did you push yourself beyond what you thought you could do? I am terrified of heights. Okay. That I was able to stupidly on speedboat where they're like just jump and grab onto a helicopter. I saw that one. Like if you're preparing for a movie.
Starting point is 00:41:52 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. practice. Right. Here's what we're going to do. You know,
Starting point is 00:41:59 an entire team of stunt coordinators saying, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. You're in that water and I don't even know where the hell we were. We were in the Irish Sea. And we didn't have our phone so I couldn't Google like what animals are there. I was so nervous what the fuck was in the water. And I was like, fuck, we don't have our phone. I don't know what's down there. It's dark.
Starting point is 00:42:21 It was raining. And you can't see shit. And there's lots of current and everything. and you're on the boat you just go on the boat and Foxy was like okay when the helicopter comes down I'm going to say go and you have a small
Starting point is 00:42:36 window and you just have to go and leap and grab on I'm like okay I can't fucking believe I did it did you make the did you get the skin did you hang on as as the helicopter was
Starting point is 00:42:51 pulling away I was struggling and I'm a left deep. So I was trying to go up the other way when you have to go that way to get in. I started to get a little nervous because the helicopter was going up. And I knew the higher we go up, the deeper I fall into that weird ass water. Yeah. So I finally just let go. No, it's scary. But I was like, I can't believe like I'm, you know, would just do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:19 Like, oh, sure. I'll jump on to that. Yeah. It's dangerous. what what finally made you break okay so what made so then I lasted two days the second day I jumped off a bridge and the harness which by the way again I'm Fred Heights
Starting point is 00:43:36 yeah the heart is I almost asked do you know cue the gentleman on the Diaz on their yeah I almost said to him and I'm like I don't know not say anything I'm like is this going to
Starting point is 00:43:49 pop my implants I almost asked them And I'm like, I better not fuck around with them. Well, it did. I jumped off the bridge and my implants ruptured. Both? And then the way the harness was to, I knew I hurt myself. So then we went to this water thing.
Starting point is 00:44:14 And then I had to carry a log. And so I said, could I please see a doctor? I just wanted to make sure I wasn't. And I didn't want to, he's like, just plenty of to see. I didn't want to tell him, I think my book. her right it's like my tit exploded can I please see the doctor I think you would have been like carry on and get on with it I I said they wouldn't let me see a doctor and so I said well I feel like I have no choice but to go because I want to make sure I was it wasn't just that
Starting point is 00:44:42 I was like yeah a lot grain area but I right basically you just destroyed your every part of you that's I wanted to make sure I to go home completely broken Right. Oh, my gosh. But other than that, I think you would have a great time. Oh, no, I would. The problem is, when I watched it, I felt like I had to train for it because I have to be in some kind of shape. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:45:11 Like, I love my booze and, you know, I'd smoke some cigarettes and da-da-da. I was like, I need to fucking be in some kind of shape here. Otherwise, I'm going to be dead. I trained for one when I psyched because I had a, toilet issue with the show. So I wasn't sure, I didn't know for a month if I, because I gave them one, I go, this is my only deal breaker with for me to do it. And I thought there's no way they're going to do it.
Starting point is 00:45:38 Yeah. I was actually told by previous cast members, they're like, they're not going to let you have a toilet. Yeah. So they did. Oh. But everyone else could use it too. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:48 So I had three weeks to, so I started training six days a week, like four hours. obviously that doesn't cut it yeah it's not so much that it's i'm not an athlete even if i train my ass off i am not an athlete and even if i was 20 i still think like there's just certain things like i'm not athletic yeah i'm a Pilates girl and there's no challenges where there's Pilates involved no they did not have a Pilates challenge at all You know, I really love the show, and it's really fun to watch, and you can tell that it's real. It's very real. Right.
Starting point is 00:46:30 The only thing, and, you know, I have a production deal at Fox, actually, right now, like, it's producing stuff. So I'm not, I don't want to diss them in any way. They're my homies. But the only thing that seemed a little funky to me is when they put the thing over your head, and then they're going, you're going into the room. And I, you know, I don't want to act, you know, to find. And my whole thing was, I'm going to go sit down. And am I taking this seriously?
Starting point is 00:46:56 Where they're like, you know, fucking in that interrogation setting with a thing on your head. I'm like, I would normally be like, all right, you know, I know this is performative. I guess I have to play along. Yes. And it's funny you said that because that was my thing too. I made the decision to disclose things that I've never talked about. and it's because I wanted to keep it like these guys this is what they do
Starting point is 00:47:26 and at the end of the day when I did decide to do the show I wanted to get out of it as much as I could and I have been through a lot of stuff and like all of us and so I said some stuff that I was like oh fuck when I finished the show
Starting point is 00:47:42 I was like gosh why the hell did I say you know what I mean so did they air it I never watched it, by the way, the show. You didn't, yeah. But I know they aired a version of it because people brought it up to me in interviews, but I couldn't watch it after it, you know. But I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Like, on one hand, you're like, okay, we are still doing a TV show. Sure. But how do you, far do you take it? But I decided, you know what, fuck it. I did this for a reason. I think that's the best way to go. I mean, even talking to you now, you seem like a very open person.
Starting point is 00:48:23 And I guess have you made the decision just based on your life and how sort of public it's been to just talk about it? And is that part of why you're doing this reality show as well? And I think Charlie's even on the show a little, isn't anything?
Starting point is 00:48:39 Or is he going to be on your show? You mean to talk about my life? Just your life, you know? I mean, there's a lot. I used to be very private until my divorce when it was so public there's so much it it was really hard because i went through a period where people wouldn't hire me because they thought i was trying to take down on charlie and do all this stuff and it was so hard for me to um accept that people were
Starting point is 00:49:07 judging me based on my personal life and i really went through i could have gone in a very dark place and I yeah because it was so awful to feel like out of the I never had bad press I never had people say shit about me and then overnight to have it be that and where I lost jobs and people wouldn't even and people were talking about me on you know the today show and all these talk shows and they didn't know me it was based off of their judgment of me going through a divorce and protecting my kids. And, you know, I didn't want to do mud slinging with Charlie. I didn't want to do that shit. And I just had to keep trying to be quiet. And I got to a point where I just had to kind of be in a bubble and tell everyone, like, I don't want to hear anything. I don't want to
Starting point is 00:50:01 read anything. If I need to say something, you know, but. And it was actually, to be honest, a blessing for me because I was always such a people pleaser and careful what I said in interviews. I wanted to be the good girl and this and that. And it was such a blessing for me to be my true authentic self. And people will like me or hate me or whatever. I don't give a shit. I'm just me. So I think that's how I now am so open.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Do you remember that moment where you're like, you know what? Fuck this. I'm tired of living in this bubble. Here we go. Yeah. It was at that time where it was just so. awful and then you have a moment though where you're like this is everyone come to my house i'm gonna fucking talk no i it wasn't about talking it was about being quiet and me not me
Starting point is 00:50:59 me really thinking like i have to i cannot live with the toxic noise i have to because if i do this could go a different path i had two little girls that i had to And my mom was sick at the time and ended up passing away. And I was just like, I need to focus on what's really important. And at the end of the day, who's there for you are the people that are really important. And that's what I needed to focus on. And I can't worry about, you know, my publicist, she's so incredible. She would have to talk me off the ledge because so many times I wanted to say stuff.
Starting point is 00:51:37 And she's like, be quiet. And she's so right about it because if you comment, then it's another story, another story. And then a few years later, you know, eventually things come out. And then, you know, unfortunately, Charlie, the Charlie I divorced was what people started to see. And, you know, the spiral of that whole situation and everything. And then, you know, people started to think, oh, she's not the crazy. She's not done. She wasn't trying to destroy him.
Starting point is 00:52:11 That might be crazy in other ways. but I wasn't, do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we're all crazy, yeah. Yeah, so it just started to change, but it was the silver lining of all that was just me being just myself and fuck it. But not to say that I, you know, I don't air dirty lawn, you know, like, I'm protective still, but it's like, at least an open book, like, if you ask me a question, I'll answer it and stuff truthful, and I'm not like, you know, trying to like be a people, please,
Starting point is 00:52:43 or say what's supposed to hear. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that makes sense. No, it does. It's liberating. It was actually. Yeah, for sure. Of course.
Starting point is 00:52:53 And, you know, with something that, at least from the outside, and when I say the outside, meaning half of it is probably bullshit, but just because of how things get so turned around. But it was an extremely insanely, I don't think toxic is even the right word for that kind of a situation. But you both have seen. seemed to come out on top, meaning he's going to be on your show. You're still parenting, I guess, I don't know, but together.
Starting point is 00:53:21 I mean, you know, it's not like it's just been split and gone. And you've seemed to, there's some cohesion, I guess, through all of the insanity. Always wanted us to be positive in front of the girls. I never talked bad about their dad in front of them. And when times when Charlie was in a good place, and all of that. He was always invited to, you know, family shit, birthdays, holidays, whatever, and times when we would get together together and times where it wouldn't happen and that's okay.
Starting point is 00:53:57 But I always, I actually sheltered the kids almost to a point of where now, as they're getting older, they're discovering things. And they were at first getting upset with me. Like, why didn't you tell me that? How the hell am I going to tell you that? That's like not a, there's no handbook for this. Would you have done it differently now that you know? You know, it's funny who said that because I've gone back and forth with that.
Starting point is 00:54:18 Like, maybe I sheltered them too much. This is a very relatable, sorry to interrupt, but it's a very relatable topic. And I think you can probably educate people while when people are, for real. Because, you know, you are not an anomaly. This shit happens in the real world all the time. And a parent, someone who is the, a parent who is dealing with their children and someone who is an addict, someone who is going through some serious, serious shit. And, you know, how do you navigate that?
Starting point is 00:54:49 You know, do you tell them? Are you like, hey, this is who it is? This is who your father is. I loved him. He's still your dad. You need to know the truth. Or everything's fine. You know what?
Starting point is 00:55:02 I didn't do. There were times I did. Everything's fine. Like, but if I was at a school performance and he supposed to show up and i get a call something happened sideways hospital whatever i'm not going to tell the kids the truth right i i told them i lied and i said dad had to work um you know he was arrested on christmas and he called me from jail to say merry christmas to the girls um and they were busy playing with their toys.
Starting point is 00:55:44 They're like, we'll talk to the dad later. I go, I think dad's going to be a little busy later. So let's say, so I didn't say, uh, your dad just got fucking arrested. And he also comes to say Merry Christmas right now. That's smart shit, of course. Thank you. Yes. I mean, come on.
Starting point is 00:56:00 I know. That's not. Yeah, it's like, but Santa came. You know, I mean, like, yeah. Some of the things were so outrageously bad where I'm like, I can't say that. So I did lie and I sugarcoded and I protected him and also like I said with some of the shit he would say in the press and crap like that I didn't tell the kids. I would about, you know, I would just say I wanted to protect their relationship. And I wanted my girls to always get to know their dad for Charlie, not for their dad, meaning not meaning, you know, I didn't want them to.
Starting point is 00:56:37 And honestly, and Charlie, he and I've had these conversations. You know, there was a time he was so, I didn't know if he was going to live. And I didn't want the girls to ever get to know their dad what they would read. I wanted it to be their experience and their relationship. And I also didn't want to put on them my feelings because that's not fair to them in their relationship with him. I always wanted things. And I even told Charlie, I don't care if you're pissed at me. Let's have dinner with the girls.
Starting point is 00:57:08 Just fucking suck it up. Yeah. Because there are daughters, they don't deserve to have their family split. And now your other ex-wife and your kid, you know what I mean? Like, let's all keep it harmonious as much as possible. And so that's right. Still to the day, still try to do it. September owns feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season.
Starting point is 00:57:38 It's the perfect time to start dreaming about. your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home
Starting point is 00:58:18 is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant Mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text
Starting point is 00:59:02 each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. These new podcasts will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Janica Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcover podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time.
Starting point is 00:59:39 I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Be a part of my new chapter. and listen to the new season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Your entire identity has been fabricated. Your beloved brother goes missing without a trace. You discover the depths of your mother's illness, the way it has echoed and reverberated throughout your life, impacting your very legacy. Hi, I'm Danny Shapiro. These are just a few of the profound and powerful stories I'll be mining on our 12th season of Family Secrets.
Starting point is 01:00:45 With over 37 million downloads, we continue to be moved and inspired by our guests and their courageously told stories. I can't wait to share 10 powerful new episodes with you, stories of tangled up identities, concealed truths, and the way in which family secrets almost always need to be told. I hope you'll join me and my extraordinary guests for this new season of Family Secrets. Listen to Family Secrets Season 12 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance, bro, tell you how to manage your money again. Welcome to Brown Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards.
Starting point is 01:01:29 If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just. just recreate the same problem a year from now. When you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union, shopping around online, looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm not in a similar situation. You know, again, I told you my dad and I have reconnected and things are good. But, you know, it was not a great divorce. And, you know, he did a lot of press back in the day.
Starting point is 01:02:36 really like hitting mom hard and, you know, it was very public and it wasn't like it is now, obviously, you know, because it was back then. But mom made a point of never bad mouthing, my dad. And then even wrote me a letter that I still have. It was a whole letter that she wrote about why she married him and what an amazing man he was and is and how funny he is and how much like all the good things about me, you know, that are from him. And it was just incredible to read. And it was not, it was not something just to do because she felt like she had to. I think she felt that and that I needed to know that. Right. You know, because there's been so, so much negativity that she's like, well, you know, understanding that I am half, his blood is running
Starting point is 01:03:28 through me. Right. And there could be a time where I wonder, oh my God, am I if half of me tainted? But that's not how it works. You wanted me to understand that your father is an amazing person and I never would have
Starting point is 01:03:44 married him if you wasn't. Exactly. And I think that's important, you know, because when you married Charlie, I mean, he did for a really, he was fucking awesome and talented and funny and all of the great things and your daughters have that.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Absolutely. And I am so grateful to him. Without him, I wouldn't have my daughter. And we have, our journey has been very unique, but it was meant to be. And, you know, and it is up and down and it's okay. But, you know, at the end of the day, I know if I needed some, I could call him, and he knows I will always be there for him. And, you know, and it is.
Starting point is 01:04:28 important, I think, for coming from, my parents stayed married into my mom till death to US Park, you know? So I don't know what it's like to grow up with a split family. And so it's interesting also to hear from you, like, what, you know, the letter your mom wrote, because I do think it's important for kids to cure the good. Yeah. And you're in a unique situation just like Mike, not everyone's children are exposed to it publicly, but it could be their public, whether it's at school, whether it's the small
Starting point is 01:05:04 town knows everything that's going on with the family. That's their public. You know what I mean? So all the neighbors know, shit going on. That's so hard for your kids, too, navigating that shit. Oh, my God, especially if they get older. No. And they're able to sort of think for themselves and read for themselves and everything's right
Starting point is 01:05:26 there. and you know this is what happened and dad has this and he had HIV or whatever it's like what the fuck i mean yeah that must be so well i'm just saying even for for them yes but even for you just like oh fuck okay here we go they're older ladies now how do we how do i deal with this shit and then it's up to charlie too i think you know i don't know him at all but just to say hey let me sit down with you for a second and explain my life yeah we all we all we all It all comes from something. You know, I've done trying to work on myself and dealing with my parents and my dad and my own afflictions.
Starting point is 01:06:06 You know, I went to the Hoffman Institute. I fucking dug deep. And when you can find compassion and resolve for the people who may have, you know, hurt you and not meant to hurt you, but just have with their actions, you understand that there's a reason for that. And if you dig back into their lives, if you dig back into Charlie's life as a child, in his childhood, we can find the patterns that are existing. So while, of course, it is his fault, at the same time, there are reasons and it's not all your fault. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:06:39 You know what I mean? And, you know, that helped me a lot with forgiveness, big time. Finding compassion as an older person. Right. And really feeling that compassion, which then allowed me. me to truly forgive, you know, and it's been healing. Did this happen after you had your kids? Yes.
Starting point is 01:07:05 Okay. Yes, exactly. I think with girls, I think the real forgiveness will be after they have children and they'll be able to, you know, maybe before. Oh, totally. Yeah, I mean, I think they have to want. on it, number one, it can't be forced upon them. Like, you need to work on yourself so you can forgive your dad so that you can be a better person and not repeat these patterns. You know what I
Starting point is 01:07:34 mean? When I was a kid, I remember I was, you know, 16 years old or 14 years old and mom was just ripping on me like, what is wrong, what is wrong, you know, because I was going through those tough times at school and, you know, whatever. And I just fell to the ground sort of sobbing. saying I don't want to be like my dad, you know, and I missed him, I needed him, I wanted him, even though Kurt was my father and in my life. And I just didn't like the way that it felt not to have him in my life. And I made a decision in that moment that I would never do that to my children, you know, so I sort of broke the pattern in that moment to the point where I might be hyperparent. You know, if I miss one little thing, I'm like, oh my God, they're all fucked up.
Starting point is 01:08:24 It's like, I've abandoned them, and I missed, like, I'm working in Toronto, and I missed, like, a, you know, a morning meeting at their school. And now I think that they're going to be. But I made that choice. I made that choice. And that was earlier on. That was before I had kids. So I think sometimes our trauma, you know, we can either swim in it and repeat it or we can look at it from, you know, a different perspective and step away from it and say, okay, I don't want to be that. and I'm going to make sure that I'm not that, you know.
Starting point is 01:08:59 You sound like you're such an amazing dad. I love being dad. It is. It's hard, I know, but I do. I dig it. I mean, it's a number, it's a definite priority for me. I mean, I won't work in New York on TV shows for six, you know, for six years. I have to be around to the detriment of my career, honestly.
Starting point is 01:09:21 Yeah, I get it. I've made this my priority, you know, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing like that's amazing. No, it's great. I mean, it's great. It's amazing.
Starting point is 01:09:33 And we don't know. We don't know. We think we're doing it right. I think. I don't fucking know. We all do it differently. You know, and I said this a thousand times. It's not if we fuck up our kids.
Starting point is 01:09:46 It's just to what degree. That's true. You know? I know. It's to what degree. I agree. We're doing our best under these circumstances. It's true. We're trying hard.
Starting point is 01:09:59 We're trying best as we can. Yeah. Yeah. So talk about your show a little bit. I want to hear where, when is it on? Oh, so it's on, it's on Bravo and it's on three nights at 9 o'clock and then the next night on Peacock. And I believe our season finale is two. Day.
Starting point is 01:10:23 And, you know, I did Housewives of Beverly Hills and he does that. He approached me about doing a family reality show. And so we decided, let's do it. And it's been good. Is this the first season? It's our first season. Was it hard, when you approached the girls, was it like, okay, you know, were they down? Was it like, Mom, I don't want to do this?
Starting point is 01:10:47 Well, so Sammy, the oldest, she was, I definitely wanted to. do it. Mom, we need cameras because our life is so crinkly. Lola was at first, she was like, I'm not sure. And she was concerned with, because of her faith. And I told her, it's also an opportunity for her to inspire people who are wanting to explore that or want to share their faith too. I said, but anyway, I did. She, I didn't want to, if no one wanted to do it, Obviously, we wouldn't be doing a family show. And what about Aaron? Aaron was, he'll support whatever.
Starting point is 01:11:28 He's like, sure. After the housewives, he's like, sure, whatever you want to do. This will be tame compared. Although there were times I was like, I wish I was fighting with those bitches. Yeah. Yeah. And then Charlie, did you have to say to Charlie? Were you cool with this?
Starting point is 01:11:47 Hey, we're doing the show. You need to support your daughters. Yeah. fill with us. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Fun.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Well, Denise, thanks for hanging out for a little bit. Thank you. It's so good to talk to you. I know. It was fun. And yeah, I'll see you around. I'll see you around. And if you do special forces, then call me.
Starting point is 01:12:12 I know. I will. I will. I will. All right, cool. Thank you so much. All right, love. We'll see you later.
Starting point is 01:12:21 Fun. Been through a lot. and it's crazy shit crazy shit but she's navigating it man it's just what am I going to do right now
Starting point is 01:12:32 I am going to do a cold plunge yeah the special forces thing you know I was just scared hey guys don't tell anyone but I was like scared
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