Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Don't Metz with Texas

Episode Date: September 8, 2025

We loved her on 'This is Us,' now, Chrissy Metz plays a tough Texas mom in the Netflix mega hit 'The Hunting Wives,' and the Emmy-nominated actress joins Oliver to dish about the show people can't stop talking about!Plus, from 'revelry' to 'therapy,' don't miss this eye-opening conversation about battling insecurities, striving for wellness, and Chrissy's current relationship! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No. No, no. Sibling Reveory. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling

Reveory. That's good. My name is Oliver Hudson, in case you guys didn't know that. And I have a future icon sitting next to me right now. She don't say anything. Yeah, just keep it quiet.

So after years of grinding it out in Hollywood, okay? This woman, she has won us over as Kate Pearson on This Is Us. She was a fan favorite. And now, of course, she's turning heads again in Netflix's new hit, The Hunting Wives, which I have started. I'm three episodes in. And it's a little bit spicy. It's a little bit inappropriate.

There's a little bit of nudity. would say but it's good it's amazing it's this it's this tangled web and southern secrets there's betrayal there's murder anyway let's just get to the point christie metz is sitting next to me well this is fun because in person has sort of died as far as the podcasting goes i've been doing this my sister for years and it started before covid where everything was in person yeah then it went to zoom then everyone gets so fucking comfortable with zoom yeah that no one wants to do anything in person anymore. And put pants on. Right. Exactly. Right. I mean, half of my podcast,

I'm fully naked. Do you tell people, do you disclose that information? So we did, I had Michelle Obama and her brother on the podcast and she was like, don't, she's like, I don't want to keep this super casual with her brother Craig. Casual, we like,

it's as far as the dress goes, because it's a whole thing. Yeah. You know, obviously it's Michelle Obama. Hello. And I decided to go against that and I suited up and like slicked my hair. I looked like a young Republican. And she's like, what are you doing?

Oh my God. And then I said, no, look, it's fun up top. And then I backed away and I was in my underwear. I was like, but it's a little bit, you know, it's a little party down below. And she took a shot with Michelle Obama. And did she laugh? It worked.

Was it obligatory? No, it worked. Okay. It worked. Yeah, it was funny. It was funny. I think it was funny. If it falls flat and you're just like,

womp, womp, it's like the most awkward moment. You're like, that's not what I've been thinking about in my mind for three days. You just click, the Zoom goes off. I'm like, oh, oh, okay. Then you get a like a terrible letter in the mail. So we were talking about, first of all, Chris Metz is here. Yay. Here I am.

Thank you for being here. Finally, I know. We've had all your, we've had Sterling on, we've had Mandy on, we've had Chris on. You know, saving the best for last. Wow. I told him he had to say that. Milo, you know, he's just rejected me a thousand times. Same.

No, me. No, no. He's a busy guy. But we were talking about age and before we started rolling, you asked me if I cared about age. So my birthday is September 7th. Oh, you're Virgo.

I'm September 29th. Are you? But Virgo Rising, Libra. Yeah. Yeah. Do you know what your rising is? I don't know, but I just had my chart done

by these girls called the Astro Twins. Wait, so you don't know your... They throw so much out there... Where's your chart? That I don't know. I have voice notes from her saying what I'm this and what I'm not. They were on the podcast and it was incredible. I'm into it.

It was on the incredible. And I'm, A bunch of, there's a bunch of moons and I don't know what the hell's going on. There's a bunch of moons, for sure. There's rising things. Well, the ascending is what people view you as. So I'm Virgo ascending, which means that's what people view me. Okay.

But it depends on your moon. So my moon's in Gemini. Okay. So that's like two different people. I don't know who I am either. I, I don't know who I am either. All I know is that I'm more Libra apparently than Virgo. Okay.

So I'm more Virgo than I am Libra, but Libra is my star sign. We're twins. Oh my gosh. Weird. So, you know, I'm, don't care about the numbers so much, but when 50 hits, I don't know. Listen, I'm about to be 45. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm like, okay, but then I also don't feel 45 and like, what is that even mean to feel 45? No. Well, I wanted to talk to you about like sort of your wellness journey and all that because I'm kind of on one of myself. Okay. What does that mean kind of? Well, I'm on and off. Sure. Of course.

Because we're human. But I want to stay on, you know, and I just decided I want to be in the best shape of my life at 50. Oh, okay. So now I'm on supplements. I'm thinking about peptides and all this stuff. So I just wanted to, I know I've been talking for an hour, but I wanted to get your journey because I want to, it coincides possibly with some of the things I'm trying to accomplish, honestly, as I'm getting older. And so where did this start for you? How ingrained are you in it?

and how hard is it to stay on it? Because that's the heart. Yeah, consistency. Consistency. Yeah. So, I mean, I've always been a chubby girl since I was literally an infant. And so it was always sort of a point of a contention. And because there's such a negative outlook on people who are overweight,

because if you're overweight, you're absolutely unhealthy, which is not true. However, as you age, obviously, like all the perimenopausal stuff, like my mom didn't teach me that stuff. And I don't know that she even wanted to because it was. was sort of like that don't sort of talk about it kind of thing. She's tough. Yeah. Kids are seen and not heard kind of thing.

So she don't think. That's changed. Yes. So perhaps now she would have explained more to me. But the things that I'm figuring out and the stuff and the supplements, the magnesium, like, who knew magnesium could change your life? Mm-hmm. We thank God.

But all the things that- Explain really quickly how magnesium does work. Yeah. So, I mean, for me, it helps with sleep and heart, health and just, um, I suffer with anxiety. Me too. I'm on lexapro. Okay. 20 milligrams. Okay. Does it do you feel like it's? Yeah. I think I've tried to go. I tried to go off of it and it spiraled me into like the craziest place ever. Cause yeah, weaning off of a Lexpro specifically can get nutty. Oh, okay. And then I had to go to a job and I'm like, oh, fuck this. Like I can't go work like

this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just sort of like you don't know what you don't know. And the more that you dig, you find like, oh, I need peptides potentially and magnesium and supplements and like amino acids, because if you want to have like pure protein as opposed to like all the junk that's in a lot of protein powders, you know, and because our business is so weird and wacky, like we get up at four in the morning, we work 18 hours, how do you fit the food in and how do you fit the appropriate food in that you feel satiated? Like all of the things. And obviously I didn't know that until I was an actual working actor. But I've always been sort of chasing contentment with my body.

So I've yet to really find that, but I'm certainly in a better place mentally and emotionally. How do you start that journey to be content with your body? And how does it get better? Yeah. And I'm assuming it's like two steps forward, a couple steps back. Just like Paul Abdul.

Yeah, for sure. It's a Paul Abdul vibes. Totally. For sure. Right. Yes. So it takes a lot of mental fortitude to be able to take those new two steps forward. Yeah. Like when I wrote that memoir years ago, learning to love yourself for who you are today,

that was like not just like a little quip kind of catchy title. It was like, I'm literally learning to accept myself for who I am right now. Because if you don't, you can't get to the place you want to be because you're in this cycle, the cyclical, crazy fair school that you're like, I hate myself, I should eat. Now I hate myself for eating. Oh, I should eat more. Like, you're like, you just can't get off the ride. So I have attempted to like get off the ride. and I'm like, oh, I don't like that ride. But sometimes I like the ride or sometimes I think I like the ride and I'll stand by the ride, but then I'll get off quicker now than I ever had before.

So I was like, that's progress. That is a forward movement direction. And so I try to just have grace around it and with myself because I'm like, I say that to all my friends and my family people I love, but I don't have it for myself. So patience and grace. Oh, my God, isn't that so true. I'm the best advice giver of all time. I've been through a billion years of therapy.

I could be a therapist. Right. And people come to me naturally to help, you know, just because I have my own personal insights, but can I follow them myself now? Right. Right. You know, I'm like, dude, practice what you preach, dude? I know. What the fuck are you doing?

I know. It's about self-love, self-worth, and self-compass is what you're saying. Give yourself some grace. Yeah. You know, give yourself a little leeway. Yeah. Don't be so hard. I had to give myself compassion that I never received.

And so that's like, you know, my dad, when he passed away, we were estranged. And I realized, like, to make like a living amends, it was to myself because of the love I never got from him that I'm still seeking through other people and the validation. And I'm like, oh, I have to love myself the way he couldn't. And that is so hard. Yeah. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, that's not dissimilar. My dad didn't pass, but he wasn't around. Yeah. Kurt came into my life and became my father. But there's something to be said about your biological. Of course. And so same thing. It's trying to fill this void that you can't.

There's, whether it be food or sex or drugs or whatever it is, you can't fill it. You can't plug it. No. There's nothing, there's no substance that can plug it. Right.

You know, even though you keep fucking trying. Oh, with everything. Yeah. Oh, not this one. Yeah. And yeah.

And that's, I think, the ride, right? The ride that you want to get off of. So, yeah, I mean, some weeks, some months are great. and then some days I'm like, and then that's when you have the grace for yourself. But it's also just like sort of acquiring all this data collection. I'm like, okay, okay, I'll use this. Okay, that doesn't work for me.

I use that. I've been doing more strength training, which makes me feel like, oh, because I've always wanted to be Lucy Lawless. Okay, like can I please have her body things? And my boyfriend lifts weights and he's very consistent. He was also in the Nigerian Navy, like, very different from like my inconsistencies like he's very regimented and scheduled and I'm like oh this

is good this is good to see it in practice and in a positive way and he never enforces anything like in fact he's like when I was in South Africa he's like are they feeding you I'm like babe I'm missing a meal but it's a different cultural thing in Nigeria like you know so here I mean literally one of his sister said she prayed to gain weight she prayed to get fat I was like I pray to get skinny. Like, this is crazy. It's just so different here. And, of course, in our business, even more magnified.

So it's wonderful. And I keep saying when people ask like, oh, how is your relationship? And it's like, there's a love that I haven't experienced before that's like, he's like, I would never want anything to be removed and nothing gained just as you are. And that gives me the liberty to say, oh, I can love myself enough. You love me enough that I don't have to do anything, but now I want to. Yeah. For the longevity of my health.

Yeah. Which is a whole other thing now. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. I know. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.

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alive while navigating the modern world, influencing and bringing our culture into the mainstream. Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How much did you use, because you're funny as shit, right? So how much did you use humor and self-deprecation to deflect how you were feeling? every single's like it's like my knee-jerk default to the point where I think I saw someone talk about how self-deprecating humor is just like the worst thing you can do fucking my jam though for myself like well I need to make fun of myself first before you do

yeah I'm gonna beat you to the punch right right right like I'll talk about my family but don't you dare you know it's that thing and so I realize I'm like oh our subconscious still hears that stuff and we're still putting ourselves down just in the event someone might. Of course, that negative self-talk, even though it's couched in humor, it's still fucking you up. Yeah.

You know, like I used food as a protection. And whether, whatever, we're filling the void with, it's like, we have a coping mechanism. And it might have worked for many years. And then we realized, oh, this ain't, this ain't it anymore. Like, we've got to figure this out in a different way and return. And I think generally, too,

people who judge, whether they judge you, judge me, judge anyone, everyone has some sort of a coping mechanism. A hundred percent. We are all afflicted, one way or another, everybody. I went to a place called OnSight, which is outside of Nashville.

But you do, okay. So there is a particular exercise that we used, and you speak to the person, so like say you became my father, and I got to say all the things I never got to say to him. And then you get to then respond and say, I didn't know.

I'm sorry. And you hear things that you, you never would have heard from your parent. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, it was so cathartic. It was like, oh, or there were two men in our particular small group. And they were so complimentary and so kind.

And they're like, oh, no, I could cry now. They're like, I would be so proud to be your father. And I was like, that's it. Take me out. I got to go. But it was so helpful because if you haven't heard these things and it's like the one thing you needed to hear or wanted to hear, it really can make a difference. You know, I wish I could say to my mom or Kate or Aaron, my wife,

and I'm way better now, but this is kind of before, like, I just want to say that I love you so fucking much and I'm so happy to be with you and I feel lucky. Yeah. Easy to say. Yeah. But I would approach that and be like, I can't say, oh, I feel like I want to like do this. Do you think it's because you don't know what the reaction is going to be or that you're

going to disappoint them or? I think it has to be subconscious because, you know, cerebrally in the moment. Of course I know. Imagine my wife was like, ew, fuck you. Right. You know, what? Don't ever say that again. I mean, then there's no chance.

It would only be positive. But there's a vulnerability there that was very hard for me to sort of express. Writing, easy, I could gush. Yeah. But the in-person stuff was difficult. Well, yeah. Like vocalizing is very different than having it secretly in your journal. Exactly.

Or I can send it to them. They can read the writing. Yeah. Right, right, right. But there is something different about saying it. Oh, yeah. And owning the words. Oh, yes.

Yeah. All right. Let's go back to your childhood. Because this all relates, we're just going backwards. Yes, yes. Where did you grow up? So I was born in Homestead, Florida. But when I was six months old, we moved to Japan.

My dad was in the Navy. Oh, wow. So we were there until I was almost nine. My parents divorced. We moved back to Gainesville, Florida. I don't even know why of all the places. And then moved to L.A. when I was 20.

Did you have seven? Do you have siblings? Oh, yeah. I'm one of five, the middle, of course. You're the who? The middle. You're the middle? Of course.

It's no shocker. It was my oldest sister, brother, and I, and then my parents divorced. My mom had two other daughters. Okay. And so I had the experience of being the baby, but like my, the lore states in our family that my dad really just wanted nine boys for a baseball team. So a little disappointed when two girls came and only one, one boy. So they were always very close.

And I felt like I could never measure up. Like, you know, I was like, I don't even remember as a kid having a relationship with my father. I saw a picture of me like swinging with him. And I was like, when did that happen? Right. Who was that girl? Yeah. That's me.

So it's bizarre to sort of look back. But like growing up in Japan was so cool. Wow. So you grew up in Japan, your parents were still together when you were in Japan because your dad had to be stationed. Yes. For about eight and a half years. And I, my grandmother lived with us, my mom's mom. and she was like my saving grace

and so she was like my little best friend and she would pick me up from school and like at lunchtime and make me a little grilled cheese and some Ovalteen, you know, whatever and walking back to school, hello. Love some Oval Tate. Oh, we love it, especially with your grams.

Oh my gosh, you kidding me? Yeah, so yeah, that was very, very helpful and instrumental. Do you think it was just a gender thing? Do you think it was because you were a girl? I mean... Yes, but they also felt something a little deeper And then I thought, it is as an adult. I'm like, did my mom sort of construct these thoughts or because she was so upset with

him, even though when he passed away, she was still in love with him, even though he was very unfaithful for many, many years. My grandmother and I were very close. She instilled faith in my life. But I have conversations with my older sister all the time that she's like, I don't know that dad didn't try to reach out to you. Because I remember getting my high school graduation announcement. to invite him, the invitation, and it was return to sender.

So all my life, I've replayed the tape of he didn't want to come. He, like, send the invitation. It's one thing to, like, get it and throw it away, but to, like, return to send her. Right. And so my sister's like, do you think maybe mom didn't want us to have a relationship with, and I just can't believe that. Like, I don't think that to be true. Right.

Maybe she was protecting us. But I remember the last moment I had with my dad, really, he came to, school shop for me. I think it was whatever year Robin Hood Prince of Thieves was out. We saw that in the movie theater. I think I was... I mean, everything I do.

Like, look. Like, do it for you. Oh my God. I'm obsessed with that movie and maybe because it's nostalgic because I had that bonding experience with my dad. And it's Brian Adams. Yeah, I know.

I love that movie. Yeah. So anyway, I just, that's like sort of the last memory I have of my dad and I ever having just like any sort of connection. And I think that was third or fourth grade. Oh, really? Yeah. And I know he remarried a woman, like right after he divorced my mom and then got married again. And my brother was really

close with them and ended up moving down to Miami with them. Really? Yes. And were you close with your brother? Not really. No. No. And what about your older sister? So she, she was sort of close to my dad, but they got into this big fight and my sister is tough as nails and my dad went to like put his finger in her face and she pushed him and he was like you need to get out of this house and she was

17 so she went and did her own thing. Are you tight with your sister? Yeah like all my sisters and I are close. They all live in Florida still I've been very intentional about giving back to my family and to my friends because they were there for me. My friends, particular here in L.A. were there for me when I was broke as a joke, couldn't pay attention.

And my family, I just feel they're my family, you know, and I want to give back. And like, my therapist is like, yeah, but they didn't spend 20 years in L.A. and break their backs and go through everything you went through. Like, you're not Santa Claus. You're not the bank. And I'm like, yeah, I know. But like, the life that I get to live, like, I want them to share in it. But then what ends up happening is then they're resentful that I give too much because a they can't give back which I don't need anything back it's more just like if you're happy I'm happy great um but you create like a precedent and then sometimes you create a monster yeah and that breaks my heart because I'm like I know it just came from a good place but damn it like I cannot just be an endless

source of this because it's not even not only is it potentially not appreciated but like It's now creating a wedge. Yeah. So your mom has, what is it called? Aphasia from her stroke. Were you ever able to actually sit down with your mom and get answers that you wanted before? Yeah, it's interesting. You asked that because there was, right before this is us started, I was back home in Florida,

and I was so anxious. I was like, they're going to fire me. I can't do this. All the, all the things. And I remember having a conversation with my mom because I was very, very anxious. And I don't know how we got on the subject, but I was like, you know, I felt like you guys didn't do this. You didn't do that. And this is where my anxiety stems from.

And this was before her stroke. And she was like, Chrissy, I lovingly wanted to say, like, I don't think that was what really happened. Like, our perspective is different. And I was like, what do you mean? There's another perspective. Not just about me. And so it was nice to have that conversation with her because I felt like, oh, I didn't consider what they might have gone through or our parents doing the best they could. And it was nice to have that.

It wasn't as in depth that as I had hoped, but it definitely was important and needed and providential. Yeah. Yeah. One more thing. And then we'll go to some more fun stuff. But I love this shit. Me too. I mean, I love talking about this stuff.

But, you know, when your dad did pass, and I think this is pretty relatable to a lot of people who have parents who are estranged, I wonder, you know, again, I have more of a relationship with my dad right now, you know, but it had been 12, 13, 14 years. And I would go through this in my head, like, if he dies, what am I going to feel? Yeah. You know, and I would, I couldn't put myself in that situation or put myself in that feeling because I really didn't know. know how to. I didn't know what I feel like. Well, there's that lived, you've kind of lived it. Yeah. There's the obligation of like, oh, my father, it's, they're biological or blood related, but you don't have a relationship

with them. So you really grieve a relationship, or for me, I grieved the relationship I didn't have. And so that was hard. It was like, did I miss an opportunity? Did the information given to me, was that incorrect? Did I have this idea? Did I keep replaying this tape that wasn't true? And there was nothing I could do about it now. Interestingly enough, I went to this medium. And she said, your father keeps coming around and bringing you gifts. Just like, all I see is like tons and tons of presents with these beautiful bows all around you for all the times.

Oh, no. For all the times, like he wasn't there and all the times that he's, they're like apologies and gifts. And I was like, oh, that's very healing. That's very sweet. And depending on if you want to believe it or not. but I know that nobody's all bad and nobody's all good and so I really chose to believe that like he did the best he could

it's unfortunate that we didn't have the relationship I wanted but I can redirect that and hopefully you know heal it in a different way but I certainly was sad I mean it was like the last time I hung out with him one of like the first questions he asked me was like, well, how much did I make on this as us per episode? And I was like, this is not good, okay?

This is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. This is why I don't want to have a relationship with you. And then I'm thinking, well, what if that was the only thing that he could sort of ask about? Like, what I wanted him to say was, I didn't even know you're interested in acting. Tell me about that. But then when I was watching and observing him with, you know, with everybody, I was like, oh, he's gregarious. He's smart. He's clever.

I'm maybe more like him than I... It's about to say. Yes. You know, there's DNA in there, right? And so I was like, oh, okay. Yeah, nobody is all bad. And we're all troubled. And we're all just trying to figure this thing out.

And we have this blueprint of life and we're like, oh, what is the world? And some people choose to go deep and figure it out. Some people just say, fuck it. This is who I am. They aren't able. A true acceptance of who they are, even if they're bad. Yeah. You know, so it's like, is that good or bad?

I know, except to I am, I'm an asshole. Yeah. You're like, oh, no, you just don't want to change it. Oh, so you accept it, but don't want to change. You're scared, okay. Yeah, so it was, but he also was very loved. He had a lot of friends and his, his widow, Maria, really sweet woman, was obsessed with him. And thank God, because he really needed someone to dote on him.

Like, that was, my mom did that with him. She, like, kept him underweight to stay in the Navy. Like, she really, yeah. So there, it was cool that I got to see other aspects of him, even though he's definitely fallible. and you know yeah yeah yeah so anyway i would say this you should write another book on your dad and those feelings and we title it returned to sender oh hey come on hey i'm going to have to give you a credit for just in the acknowledgments just say you know but return to sender all about your dad come on what a fucking great i did write a song called daddy's girl did you um yeah

about being more like him than i wanted to even admit um yeah um um um yeah uh about being more like him than i wanted to even admit. Oh, cool. Musically, yeah, musically, it's like very cathartic for me in that way. So getting into all that, how did you get into the arts, you know, acting, singing? I mean, I, okay. So yesterday someone asked me like, how did you know you were an actor? And I was like, I was writing in a journal and I had this epiphany.

I was like, oh, I've been acting all my life. I've been acting like I'm okay. I've been acting like I'm happy. I've been acting like I'm loved. You know, I'm like, oh, oh. I didn't need to go to Carnegie Mellon. Like, I didn't need to go to NYC. Like, I wish I did, but I didn't.

But I think it was more over like, I have such empathy for people. And that's where I think real acting is like, that's why we are attracted to it. Because even if you're the villain or you're the in-between or whatever, protagonist act, whatever, like, you have to have empathy and understanding of why the motivations are the motivations. but music was my first love.

And I, my family couldn't afford to like rent an instrument for band and all the cool kids were in band and all the cute girls, all the cute skinny girls had the piccolo's and the flutes and the clarinets. And they were like, um, we have the baritone. I said, I will not be the biggest, chubbiest girl in sixth grade and with the baritone. That's for shame. They're setting you up. They're setting you up.

Everybody's been setting me up on my life. It was setting you up. And of our failure. And so I was like, I can't do this. And my mom's like, well, I can't rent it anyway. And I was like, great. And you're not buying it. So I ended up joining choir. And I was like, oh, I can be one of many that sounds like one voice, but also sort of hide, but also still like sing. And music. And music was always prevalent in our family growing up. And I was. Yeah. Like, Motown to like the Doobie Brothers and like everything. And so I've always been influenced by music. But I never thought like I was going to sing. I never thought that I. I mean, I had no self-esteem, middle school. My stepfather was very difficult. He was very hard on me. My mom remarried. And ironically, when he passed away two years ago, I was able to write him a letter and forgive him for everything that he's done. But he was more of a father to me than my own father.

So it's wild. The whole family shit. Yeah. I know. But you would not change it. No. I'm saying that because I know. And I wouldn't either.

It has all led you to. who you are right now. It helps me every single scene that I'm ever in. 100%. Every single song that I write or the people that I talk to who might be going with me the same thing, yes, I would not change it. It was difficult in the moment I'm like, what the actual is going on. So it really sort of came out of choir that I really fell in love with music.

And then I was like, oh, okay, I can cite read, okay, this and that. And I wish I would have taken, you know, piano lessons or violent or some sort of instrument, but it really wasn't until high school when everyone's like, oh, my gosh, we're going to nominate you for class clown in the superlatives. And I was like, why? Like what? Because I was a angsty teenager. Very, I was, yes, like my stepdad was very hard on me. And so instead of, like, turning inward in a soft, sweet way, I was like, just, yeah, a brat. And talk back to my teachers in middle school like eighth grade i'll never poor miss smith i was such a mean girl to her and i feel terrible for it

i have apologized and i hope she hears me um but it's like because i knew that i was going to make people laugh i was like oh i'll get attention that i don't get at home yeah and it's mostly positive yeah but this isn't this isn't good yeah but the dean miss metters who i am i'm obsessed with she changed my life anytime i would get um like a refer like a write-up she's like come to my office and you can answer the phones and she knew that i was troubled and she knew like i just needed like positive love and positive reinforcement so those are the those are the special people oh she's the best who look well beyond yes the the act yes they dig deeper to understand why yes yeah thank god for her so um yeah but it wasn't

really until high school senior year of high school where i actually had enough guts to i for chamber choir because I wanted to do theater and all the cool kids were doing theater who were like tapped for Broadway and I was like wow but I never thought I could do it I was just so interested because I was obsessed with Jim Carrey and Jack Black I was like I'm gonna be on SNL and I'm gonna be the female version um that didn't happen and so um not yet not well well it's still time I guess it's still time but like you could be on SNL I could you could maybe not a cast member you don't want to no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no I guess it's still on SNL.

Not well beyond it, but I, you're going to be on it. I, I think it's time. Give me a little, come on. Oh, my God, that'd be, I'd be so nervous. Oh, okay, first of all, Sterling was on it, and he was like, it was so stressful. And then my old client, because I was, I told you, I have a talent agent, Ego. She is a cast member now. Oh, my God.

She's like, it is full throttle all the time. I mean, she loves it, but it's stressful. Oh, yeah. And things are like being rewritten as like the cue cards are going up. And you're like, oh, what? Yeah. Oh, and then be funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay. And then with a celebrity that you might not know or you're afraid of. Right. I can't imagine. Anyway, I want to believe that the universe is, if it should happen, it'll be in the right time. We'll see. All that time I say, my choir teacher in my senior year was like, I'm going to nominate you for this scholarship for this choral camp at University of Florida. And I was like, oh, no, no, it's okay.

And she's like, no, there's only like two people out of the state that teachers get to, you know, actually. choose to go for free because my parents obviously couldn't afford it. And I got their scholarship. And it was so like, I mean, I was way over my head. All these kids like can cite read. They're like, blah, blah, blah. And I'll never forget, we had a scat workshop. Okay? A scat workshop. I'm like, correct. Right. So I'm like, we're all sitting in like a semicircle. And they're like, just improvise. And I was like, you know, getting closer and closer and closer to me. And I was like, okay, do I go to the bathroom? Now?

Do I see my stomach hurts? Am I going to throw up? Like, I was just trying to get out of it. I was so afraid. And I was like, skip it up. Like, I was like, I don't know what to do. And they were like, that's scatting. And I was like, I think I'm going to be my pants.

And I'm like, I'm going to scat in my pants right now. And I did. And I did. And I was like, oh, it was petrifying. But like, you know, as you know, when you like move through the hard stuff, you're like, oh, I didn't die. Yeah. Okay, okay.

Maybe I can do this again. So every single time I was like, okay, okay, okay, but it really wasn't until, and I'm jumping ahead, but I was at presenting at the Billboard Awards with Justin, I think the second or third year of this is us, and 2018 or something. And a random guy comes up to me and he's like, I literally just heard the voice of God say, talk to her about music. And I was like, huh, what? and he's like my wife said I should do should talk to you like I know it sounds crazy but do you want to write do you sing like he didn't know of you no he didn't know no nothing and he's like by the way I'm Kelly Clarkson's MD for the past 20 years my name's Jason and I live in Nashville if you want a songwrite I'll hook you up with some songwriters what the hello I was like oh my god okay yeah I was like um okay sure you heard me scat yeah You've heard him, yeah, exactly. Yeah, right. So he's like, DM me on Instagram, and I was like, oh, this ain't real.

And then I did, and he was, and he set me up with, like, the most prolific writers in all of Nashville. Wow. For my first right, and I was freaking out, like, Natalie Hemby and Daniel Toshian, who did, like, all of Casey Musgraves' albums and Miranda Lambert. And, like, I just saw Casey in Colorado a week ago. Did you love it? She was great. It was a festival. Oh, fun.

Yeah. Oh, fine. Yeah. So anyway, I was like, what am I getting? I don't even know what I'm doing. But I found that I love songwriting to the point of like, it's the most magical thing in four hours. You have a song that never existed.

That will change people's lives. Pretty incredible. It's incredible. Yeah. So then I kept going back and forth, just songwriting during the hiatus of This Is Us, signed with UMG because I got to sing at the Oscars because Diane Warren wrote a song for a movie that he did. Amazing.

What's happening in my life? Oh, my God. But then three years in, I didn't get to go on tour. because COVID, the world shut down. And then I was like, I'm writing music, but I don't get to put it out. So I end up leaving the label, which was the really, really, really tough.

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Okay. How many years? So my sister, who takes care of my mom, who has four kids, she's an angel. Yeah. She heard about this open call at a holiday inn that my stepdaddy and my mama met at at the bar. Oh, really? And that's where the open call was. So she heard about this open call on the radio.

And she was like, well, you take me because she wanted to be a print model. She has a different dad than I do. She's tall and thin. Yeah. And so it's okay. God doesn't give it two hands. It's fine. It's fine.

It's fine. So I'm still working. on that. It's fine. So we go, there's a woman who's sitting across from me, and I'm filling out the paperwork for my sister. And she's like, are you here for auditioning? Are you here for a reason? And I was like, no, I'm just taking my sister. I was teaching preschool at the time. And she's like, you've done it all. I mean. Agent, teacher, singer. McDonald's was my first job. Mickey D. Yeah, that's where I really fell in love with those fries. And I still eat them. Be fat and all. Just had them yesterday. Exactly. I shouldn't. I just ate so. You can't help it. Okay. It's drugs. They're drugs. That's my, that's mine. I love a quarter pound with extra cheese.

Oh my gosh. Okay. So I talk grass. It's all about food. So anyway, the lady was like, well, I think you should audition. I was like, what is she talking about? And she said, you know, I taught at your high school. I was like, no, you didn't.

When I tell you, I've never seen this person in my life, she's a liar. What is she talking about? So then I felt the paperwork. I go to like turn around to talk to her. I'm not kidding you guys. She's gone. She gone. She gone.

And I was like, where's a lady in the hat? And everyone's like, what lady in the hat? nobody ever remembered seeing her. I'm like, this is bizarre. That's like a ghost. Yes, she's a ghost. I'm like, this is bizarre. And I'm like, was it a guardian angel who was like here to give me some positive reinforcement?

Anyway, the lady comes out. She's like, okay, what do you do? And I was like, oh, this is just my sister. And I came here to take her. And she's like, hmm, you don't do anything. You don't sing, act, whatever. And I was like, mm-mm, mm-mm. Even though in my heart, I was like, take me out of Gainesville.

Right? Like, I was like, give me out of Gainesville. And my sister, my sister's like, yes, you do, sing. And I'm like, no, I don't. And so I end up singing, of course, reflection from Mulan, as one does. Why did I choose that hard song? I'll never know. So anyway, I sang and she was like, oh, okay, well, we'll let you never give you guys.

I know, I'm like, uh, anyway. Wait, wait, hold on, good, wait, because I, Mulan was on a repeat 24-7 with my kids. With the movie, the live action or the cartoon. No, the cartoon. Okay, right. But reflections, what was it? It's the theme. Yeah.

Look at me. You may think you see who I really am, but she'll never know me. What's the chorus? Who is that girl I see? Staring straight back at me. Yeah. Yeah. Hard.

Still don't sing it now. Yeah. So she said, well, if we give you a call back, we'll let you know by Wednesday. Okay. The following two days. She calls us back and she's like, you know, your sister wants to do print modeling. Great. But like, are you interested in doing comedy or acting?

I was like, mm-mm-mm. I really want to sing. And she's like, I don't think you should focus. on that. I was like gutted because that was my, that's what I wanted to do. And she said, but I think her funny and like there might be something there. Well, it turns out when I find out three years later is she had wanted to be an actor. She was a plus size girl. And I think she was sort of living vicariously through me, which ended up being great for me, but like also, huh? So we did classes. I went down to Orlando every single weekend. And then we did a showcase for

all these agents and managers and I was like, oh, all the skinny girls are going to get agents, like, whatever. And it was like the days of like Aaron spelling and like, you know, you had to look a certain way or whatever. And I had this crunchy, curly hair. It was a mess. Like, a mess. And so

anyway, I was the woman at the convenience store and all the actors would come in and they do monologues. You know, like it was written well. It was entertaining. Right. It was like a showcase. It was exactly. A showcase. Yeah.

And so I got a call back. And so my first agent Jackie Lewis, who still my dear friend, signed me. And I couldn't add him an EVVIT. I couldn't add some in Aivet. And ended up moving when I was 20 into a two-bedroom apartment in Burbank with six girls. And the manager slept in the living room. We had a printer on a table with plastic chairs. Yeah.

We did. Yes, we did. And I took all the kids on auditions. Yeah. And then that's when she was like, oh, your agent or Jackie needs an assistant. think, can you go work with her? And I'm like, oh, you really don't want me to pursue my dreams. Okay, got it, got it.

And so that was like a nine-year detour. And I did get to learn so much behind the desk. Of course, but, man, you were an agent for nine years. Yes. So I was out here for 12 before this is us happened. Were you still performing? No. Even though you were an agent?

You were like, no, I'm an agent now. I'm not singing. I'm not auditioning. I'm not acting. I would take like a voice lesson here or there. and I wanted to, John Kirby, who's my acting coach, who's the just love of my life, he, every time I would see him

and a couple other friends would coach with him, he's like, Christy, I hope that you join my class sometime. Like, there's something special about you. I was like, oh, John, you're sweet, but okay, bye. And then I finally was like, okay, I'm going to commit to an acting class while I'm agenting. And like I could barely get together with my scene partner

because I was always working 24 hours a day. And then I got a, I booked an arc on American horse. horror story, the freak show season. And I said, oh my God, my life is starting now. No, it didn't. I did five episodes and it was like the scariest thing ever because Jessica Lang, I'm pretty sure hates me. If you don't, okay, thank you. And if you do, I'm sorry. I love you. How cool? How cool is that though? I mean, you're booked with working with Jessica Lang. Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett, Jessica, Jessica, just like. Evan Peters, Emma Roberts, like, I was like, I was like, afraid out of my mind. And like, my first co-star was on entourage.

And my scene was with James Cameron. Really? When I tell you, I was scared. I'll never forget. I called my manager and I was like, I can't do it. And she's like, you put your big girl panties on and you figured out. But because what happened was I had a really crazy line that they rewrote and I didn't get to audition with it. This is entourage.

And so there's the fake Harvey Weinstein. It's when they're at Sundance and Adrian Garneri's character is Aquaman and it's premiering and James Cameron comes. And I'm just the countergirl. That was the role. And I'll never forget the line now. But during rehearsal, I could not get the line. And drama was like, don't even worry about it. I gave you my baby sides.

And I was like, what are baby sides? Like, I don't know what you're talking about. I was petrified. And so I called my manager. I can't do this. So the scene goes up or on the day. James says, I go through the line, flub it again. And he goes, is there something that I'm doing?

And I'm like, yes. Yes, Mr. Cameron. It's you. It's all you. you because I'm intimidated. And I was like, oh, I'm never going to do this. Like, I can't. Yeah.

Like, I can't do this. And I cried, like, all the way home. And I was like, I'm terrible. This will never happen again. What's the line? What's the line? God. So he comes up to me and says, oh, gosh.

Something about, like, wanting a water, right? And I was like, oh, can I ask you a question, Mr. Cameron? He's like, yeah, sure. Some random countergirl. And I said, was the sinking of the ship an attempt to force? out of the forthcoming sinking of the tech market in 2000? Right? To be fair, that's not easy.

Thank you. That's a mouth. A tongue twister. That's a mouthful. Thank you. I appreciate that. And all his response was, no,

I just wanted to make little girls cry. Yeah. Oh, okay. So. Tongaster. Tongaster. Especially when the nerves kick in, you're dead.

Oh, my God. And Turtle was like, what's going on? And I was like, oh my God, everybody hates me. Oh, because I did Dawson's Creek.

I did the last year of Dawson's Creek. And that dialogue was always so mouthy, you know, Kevin Williams, I was like, it was always just very specific. And I had this big, not big, but medium speech. And it was pushing up against lunch. And the nerves, I was new, you know, the nerves start to kick in.

And then you're off to the races. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. It just goes to blank. And now there's pressure. We're now going into sort of, you know, over time or whatever yes blah blah and it's like i couldn't get it they had to break for lunch

it was going to kill myself it was horrendous i you know people don't really understand like unless they're in it do you know because like you you just feel like i feel like oh my god the writers are talking about me they're going to write me out of the show they're going to kill me off the show like whatever like it's always so i think that's natural for all actors to be like i mean maybe even if you're merrill streep i don't even know but i don't know but maybe she doesn't It's like you finish a take and you're like, I know what they're saying about me. I know.

And then I would go through these things. I'm much better now, but in the beginning, you know, the end of the day, the showrunner, director, producer would go, you know, other actors like, hey, man, amazing. You were amazing today. I'm like, is he going to send it to me? And then it's like, hey, I'll see you tomorrow. I'm like, oh my God, fuck.

I'm nobody. No, he didn't say, you're good. I mean, this is the shit that would go through my head. The over-analysis of every single, like, did he look at me weird? Was he disappointed? Why didn't he come and ask me if I wanted to sit with him at lunch?

I'm like, oh, wow, Chrissy. Like, this is torture. I don't think we're alone. I think this is more natural than we even think. I hope we stop this because it's too much. I know. But before we get out of here,

the hunting wives, I haven't seen it yet. I have friends who've called me and said, you have to watch this show. She's wild. She's a wild ride. Yeah. It's certainly, when I read it,

as you know, as you know, like then seeing it yeah you're like oh well this is kind of shocking yeah luckily my character was you know this very um sweet god-fearing woman who was sort of like grounded the whole series because she well there i say she's the only one with morals um but um it was really cool to work with everybody and it was cool to do something different you know because it's it's the most wonderful thing to have a job that's changed your life and created so many opportunities but Like, literally people don't even consider me as Chrissy Metz. They're like, oh, Kate Pearson, which I get it.

Fine. Like, fine. But, like, it doesn't mean I don't want to do other roles, you know. So it's interesting. People at the airport were like, just this first star. So I won't give you any, I won't spoil anything. I won't spoil it. Okay.

But it was also cool to play someone who's Southern because I am from Florida. And I know women like her. And yeah, it's just been, it's so wild because people are really into it. Like, I, crazy Bill. millions of minutes of watching and people loved it. I mean, all demographics have come up to me. And there's something for everyone, I like to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's something for everyone. Okay. And it's a fun watch. I know. I'm going to watch. Yeah. I'm going to watch. All my friends are going to watch.

And, you know, of course, it's great, but they're like, it's really like highly sexual. I'm like, yeah. She's very sexy. It's a very sexy show. I said, Mom, I'm not watching this with you. She watched it by herself. A little cheeky little minks. But yeah, anyway.

Thanks for having me. This was so fun. Maybe one day will come back if I get a return an invitation. Of course. I'm sure we have a lot to talk about. We have a lot to talk about. We've just scratched this. I know.

We have. We have. We're more like than maybe we knew. I know. This has been fun. I know. Well, good luck on all of your journeys. Thank you.

You know, you have many. Anyway, I love you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It's so good to chat. Thanks, guys. I'm Jorge Ramos.

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