Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Emily and Zooey Deschanel

Episode Date: December 10, 2020

Pre-pandemic, Emily and Zooey Deschanel sat down with Kate and Oliver for an episode of "Sibling Revelry" full of nostalgia. They talk about going to the same high school and growing up in LA, what made them want to get into the arts, why they'll never again own a duplex together, and more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Public Goods and Bev.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no.

Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sible Revellerie That's good Olly Zoe and Emily Deichnell We recorded this like a million years ago

Like two million maybe That was a long ass time ago Yes and we've been holding on to it And And now here we are Emily and Zoe day Chanel. First of all, the history is kind of wild because we went to high school together. You were in the same grade as Emily and I was three grades younger than you guys. And then

Zoe was a grade under me. We were all, we all went to the same high school. So it was really fun. It was a reunion of sorts. It was fun. Definitely. And Emily was, I remember, you know, I remember looking at Emily. To me, I always thought she was so beautiful in high school. She's still, incredibly beautiful and then she'd sing and the voice everybody knows zoe because obviously she has she and him in a record but emily's voice was so insane and growing up i remember thinking like oh she's going to be a singer and she's going to be the best singer um and she ended up becoming an actress but but they were very open it was cute sisters are so different i i every time we interview a sister I'm like

I always sometimes feel like I get really tongue tied nice just so I'm staring at them like longing for a real understanding of what it's like to have a sister sort of like it must be so different

and nice yeah but yeah you know maybe it's good and it's bad you know anyway we talked about growing up in LA we did theater I did theater with Zoe all through high school. The crazy thing about me and Zoe is we were in high school theater together.

I graduated the year before her. The following year, we both got a role in Almost Famous. So we right out of high school started working. And of course, like, you know, couldn't have kind of scored a bigger opportunity than to be acting with. with the great Cameron Crow. So that was pretty cool. Like we definitely have some karma, Zoe and I, together for sure. Yeah.

So it'll be interesting to see. I wouldn't be surprised if we did like a variety special where we're singing. That's a great idea. And then Emily and I can sort of open for you guys, I guess. Well, you guys can definitely do something. We'll do something. We can maybe grip or do electric or something. Anyway, enjoy this wonderful episode with the Sisters de Chanel.

We are here with Emily and Zoe Deschanel. And we all went to the same high school. So for context, Zoe was, is the youngest of the bunch. But we're very close in age. So you were one year younger than me. and then Oliver and Emily were in the same grade, correct? In high school.

94, whoo, whoo, go roadrunners. Yeah. I was like, I needed to remember what the team was. I saw your hesitation. Go on, roadrun. Gofers. And you guys, did you guys ever have classes together?

I'm sure. I mean, I don't know. I think we did. I don't know. Yeah. I don't even remember. You just know, like, the people in your class. Of course.

So you guys weren't friends. But you were... We were not BFS. You were doing plays, right? I mean, you were drama. You were theater. Yes, yes. I don't know what I would.

I was... He was very cool. He was definitely in the cool group of kids. I was in the cool group. But they were nice. They were nice. Like, I went to a school before this where the popular people

were not nice people. Right. We're coming to crossroads. The popular people were very nice people. And wasn't as hierarchical. It was more like, oh, you're into that. You're into sports. So what you're saying is,

is that I was popular? You're popular. You were popular. Kate was popular too. But I was also a theater nerd. Yeah, and you were definitely a theater nerd. We actually did a fair number of plays together. We had, we've had quite, we basically came up together.

Yeah, we are our first, our first, like, I mean, everything, including professionally. Yes, that's right, because we, we, we, yeah, because we did almost famous, I had a small bit part. Well, but that was my part, remember? I forgot this. Remember? remember yes yes so you were cast in my part uh-huh i was cast as the sister right first and then that was when it was sarah polly and brad pitt so brad pitt was playing uh russell hammond and then sarah polly was going to play penny lane and then she dropped out and then brad pitt dropped out

and then i was the only one cast in the movie as your part and then cameron was like i'm sorry it's falling apart i'm like i'm not going anywhere but Can I please audition for Penny Lane? And then I had to audition 500 times. Oh, yeah. I had to audition 500 times for that one part. And then he gave it to me, and then you ended up getting the sister part. I'm so happy you vacated the part.

Which is so crazy. Also, with who ended up being cast, like, it just made so much sense. Like, it was amazing. I mean, the whole thing just was perfect. And you were perfect for your part. Oh, yeah. One day, you'll be cool. Yeah.

It's like my favorite shot and one of my favorite. shots in the movie. I thought Zoe should have won the Golden Globe. But, you know, that's just my opinion. Just for that line, you guys. But we were a great apart, but we did. We had, we had, we had, we did the Brecht short plays. Do you remember this?

Oh my God, Brecht. Which I could just like so crazy. Yeah. But it actually turned out kind of funny. Yeah, it was so weird. I'll never do Brecht again. What the hell is Brecht? With a T, B-R-E, C-K-T?

The playwright. The playwright. C-H-T. See, I don't know plays. Oliver doesn't know any play. I've never done a play. Oliver probably doesn't know any play. You don't need to do a play.

I tried to do a play one time. It was in Los Angeles. And three weeks before, we rehearsed for like three weeks. And then like the week before it all got shut down. I don't even know what I was doing. I was playing the gentleman caller. Okay. Oh.

In Las Manager? Yes. Oh, yeah. That's a great part. Oliver didn't even know it was the glass menager, by the way. I thought it was a play about like a threesome. And you signed up and they're like, what the hell is nice? You're like, this doesn't seem interesting?

That other play was interesting. Right. I was like, people don't talk like this in a threesome. It was a very funny experience. Vanessa Shaw. You're like Amanda, Laura? She was one who coerced me into doing. the play.

Was she in it? She was in it as well. But I feel like Emily and I should make up some stories because you guys are obviously. We really came up together. We played sports together, right? We played sports. We did a lot of sports.

Oh, Emily, we were a roadrunners. We did co-ed water polo, which was nice. All right, well, let's start from the beginning. Okay, so you guys, where did you grow up? We like to sort of give some color to where you grew up. Pacific Palisades. What? Oh, my God.

Do you guys feel embarrassed at all about saying that you grew up in the Palisades? Is there, are you cool with it? It feels like a small town, like in a lot, at least I feel, don't you feel like when we were kids? It was a small town. I, I, um, I did accidentally enter the Miss and Mr. Palisades pageant. You had to have a tent. I didn't even know there was such a thing. So, yeah, I did.

That is nobody. Emily, yeah. Wait, how did you fare? Didn't win, didn't even get runner up. There was a $1,000 prize. There is a picture somewhere from the Palisadian Post of me singing where I look possessed. This is the greatest of all the time. I know a lot of people know this.

Dad's a rock star of a cinematographer. Mom's an actress. She grew up like we did come in the business, always around storytelling. And going on location, which I see you guys did as well. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. They lived in different places. Now, did you guys have the similar thing?

We traveled a lot when we were younger and then when we got into high school, we were sort of like. Exactly the same thing. Did you have that moment that I did, which was then I was like, please, can I come with you? And before it was like, I don't want to leave. And then you get older and you don't want to be in school anymore and all you want to do is go on location with your parents. I hated it. I hated it. I hated it.

Working on location. He stopped. doing films for a while so he could be here he did commercials but he also then started taking movies only in the summers like when i was in high school even before that yeah i would go to summer camp on the east coast and my dad and our dad would always be shooting something somewhere and i would like leave summer camp and i was go oh he's a good dad our parents did a similar thing in that they They wouldn't work at the same time. They would try to, you know, it's like Kurt wouldn't do a movie and then mom would be off.

Except when I was 16, Oliver was in college. Mom, I believe, was doing First Wives Club and Paw was doing a skate from L.A., and he was shooting nights. So he'd sleep during the day and he'd be gone all night, which was awesome. Because I basically was all by myself with Wyatt. in the house you weren't there That's like a dream I was I was 16

So Friday nights were amazing Because Paul was working all night Anyway but when you guys Did you immediately connect As sisters you know Growing up Oh this is interesting Or was it was there

We fought constantly Do you guys fight all the time too? Oh my God Oh yeah We fought so much And really it was when I went to college That we became close I thought we had moments

I thought we had moments We had moments. No, I'm not going to say that we didn't get along. We got along, but we also fought, like, crazy. I always felt, here's what I felt like, so we're, like, three and a half years apart, but you were, like, four years in school. So it was like, I was getting to middle school. You were already, like, you were graduating high school when I was graduating middle school.

So it felt like we were, like, never in the same phase. It felt like I was still a little kid when you went into high school. And you're like, ugh, my sister's, like, I was like, whatever, 10 or something. And you were in ninth grade, it was like, were worlds apart. It always felt like we were kind of, I was always like, Emily, hey, can I come to your room? It's like the same thing. It's the same thing. So you were annoyed with your little sister like, just please leave me alone. Doesn't it feel like everyone annoyed by their little sister? I mean, you know, no offense to you guys. Doesn't it feel like the older sibling is, the younger

sibling feels like, yeah, we're competitive and the older siblings like, no, you're not competition for me. I'm so far above you. I didn't even care about you. It was the other way around for Oliver and I. That was later in life, Kate. Later in life. You're like, what do you mean?

I didn't feel competitive. I was competition for you the second I was born. Yes. Sorry. For parental attention. I literally came out and Oliver was chucking Clementimes into my crib.

Throwing oranges into a crib like, get the fuck out of my life right now. Yeah, yeah, no, totally. Literally. Mom had to like, he had to be watched so that, yeah. What annoyed you, was it just her presence or her neediness for you? Or like what was annoying about it? No, I don't, I mean.

Or was it just pure sister stuff? I was very annoying. I will say this, though. Like when friends of mine didn't want to hang out with you when they came over or something, I remember being very defensive of you. I didn't want somebody else to say that. I did want you to be part of things sometimes. but yeah she's just like a kind of needy and you were always just wanting to be a part of her life and in her presence yeah i loved her so much

i just wanted to be around her i thought she was the prettiest coolest sister ever that's how i felt about allie i was like i love her so much but you know what i remember is like eventually because i would get rejected so much that i'd be like all right i'm going to be annoying on purpose So let's just like get a boombox Play it really loud Like dorky music that she won't like Outside her room Stuff like that you know

And then she put a sign on that boombox It said do not take this boom box It was a very long sign This means you And like a paragraph And I didn't have a boombox Of course I did totally steal it Whenever she was in home

I would just practice my lines In front of the mirror Of what I was going to say to Oliver and his friends when they were mean to me. I would like practice how I would come back. And I remember one time we were having a Christmas party and I must have been in the bathroom for like 40 minutes practicing how to say, well, excuse me.

And I remember in my head, it was Jesse. It was you and Jesse Erman and you guys were doing something and I remember like getting to that moment. of saying that line was such a big deal in my head and it went over terribly. Of course. Like, no one even listened to it.

It was just done and gone. Talk about rejection. Never write your lines before. Yeah. Do you feel like, do you feel like that rejection sort of informed your life and personality?

Definitely, I'm tenacious. Rejection in all forms, I feel like, has driven you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean not like and all all the rejection you had all of the it all shaped me yeah so in elementary school I was like kind of a like a real indoor child indoor kid I was not cool not cool so yeah I lost a lot of weight in seventh grade so actually like and then I like I all of that shaped me because I was very good at working hard. And I remember, like, when I, by the time I got to high school, I had, like, worked really hard to do a lot of things. And so it was, it didn't feel like anything to work hard. I was like, oh, yeah, that's just what you do.

And a lot of the people I knew who just were always, like, cute and, like, just rested on their laurels were, like, very, it was like a big shock to have to work hard. And I was like, oh, yeah. It's funny. It's so similar. I mean, I asked that question because we've talked about this before and Kate has told me, you know, and I tell. take credit for her career a lot of because I think you should I do because the fact that I rejected her so much lit a fire where she's like all right fuck you I'm going to prove it did all the other rejection right now but it did I mean I don't want to speak for you but but it you know that was

part of your well definitely thank you 10% commission on everything yeah Oliver's like I should deserve more than your agent um yeah I mean I think there are a lot of things in I mean it's also nature because I mean you do your nature as well is since you were young whether you knew it or not was always like ambitious and hardworking I've always been ambitious yeah I mean even in I mean I what we were in theater together I mean she yeah she always was very much present in that and wanted to do you know she worked really hard I rested on my laurels I was one of those other people you were talking about I think I have our yearbooks right here

Oh my God Hold on I'm getting our yearbook You know what I still have a yearbook That you signed Kate And it was like the most Professional note It was like dearest Zoe Wait this is hilarious

Dearest Zoe I was like Oh it was like Dearest Zoe I'm wishing you the best Wait this is my year Me signing her yearbook And it was like in perfect handwriting.

I'm wishing you the best and most wonderful summer. And I was like, oh, this is. And you go, it's a joke. I'm imitating the way that other people would sign my yearbooks. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so weird. It's right. That's the worst joke, mate. No, but I like a joke that you have to explain.

It's like, just so you know this is a joke. Now we know we have this history. we know that we were all very much well the three girls sitting here were very much involved in the arts in school outside of school I remember we had the same vocal coach actually yes and I remember seeing you sing a Joni Mitchell song at a at a recital

outside of school I think at least from where I was standing you guys loved to sing and almost like before like that was sort of I would say one of the first things that you guys were really involved in do you think well musicals in because i i can't remember if i sang before but i don't know yeah it was a way to get it musicals in general was how i started doing theater and do you think that you got as into musicals because your sister was into musicals or do you think it was just both of you no she would have been doing that i was like very musical yeah like i was like

belting playing a lot of instruments always um and like was very into music and I did yeah love musical theater from the time I was like like I remember like consciousness and love of musicals

also like happening Were your parents into music was your mom musical? They like let me watch I don't know why but they let me watch Wizard of Oz like on repeat over and over again

when I was two I remember being two years old and I was I think it was just like put the movie on so she'll like stop talking or I don't know what it was but I would watch that movie just like over and over again and I would get like this close to the screen and I was absolutely obsessed with that movie that was like the I actually remember you singing somewhere over the rainbow

oh yeah somewhere you mean everywhere was it but did you they were constantly at um the school was constantly asking me to sing somewhere over the rainbow like they will get uh this girl She'll sing somewhere over the way, but we love it. I think I then remember, though, being a little bit older and you singing it again at, like, more of a professional thing? Yes, I definitely have sung it many times, like, over the years at random places. I do remember something where you were singing it. You were, like, leaning against a wall. And I was like, oh, there's Zoe singing the song again.

Was your mom, like, an inspiration to you guys as an actor? Definitely. She helped me a lot. She helped me a lot. looked up to you know wanted to be she's such a talented and she's a really good writer too she's like yeah always so supportive of us creatively and when I was first acting her thing was you can't get an agent till you have a driver's license because I don't want to drive you to auditions but she was like but once you turn 16 and you get a driver's license it's fine and I like

was like okay I'm 16 like I'm getting an like I got an agent like as soon as as I could drive and she was really helpful with like kind of coaching me because like I really needed help were you allowed because because were you allowed to be an actor or were you allowed to pursue the career even at a young age because I know mom was sort of like look you do plays you do your thing and when you graduate high school for Kate anyway mom was very much about the craft so it was like don't think that this is an easy you know you know if you really love it you go perfect your craft and so I had I was in all kinds of theater programs and things and then she started letting me audition when I was 16 too 16 I had to say no to a couple things because

she wouldn't let me leave school our mom as a parent now 100% right the same way you know you think about exactly what about when your kids want to get into this business you know what I mean like how are you going to handle that knowing sort of the pitfalls or the rejection and the insecurities that go along with it? I mean, would you follow the same suit? If your kids right now said, I want to be a child actor, this is what I want to do. I would say no child acting.

You can take as much drama as you want. It's what our parents did, which was you can take theater, like we want you to do what makes you happy, but we haven't seen it turn out so well for a lot of people who were child actors. So I think they, they really just, you know, knew a lot of child actors. It's so crazy how our lives parallel. Yeah.

I mean, it's really weird. I mean, now that we're even thinking and even talking more about it, it's crazy. So college. You guys both went to college, right? I only went for a year. She went for a year. I went for the full four years, but I was just studying theater at a conservatory. So I basically didn't get an education.

I know what you got. I mean, I have a BFA in theater. Okay. They changed the way you say a long A. Yeah. That was the main. They were like to remember. And then I had to forget that.

Oh, yeah. Anytime you're actually acting in front of a camera, that's not what they want you to do. You know, you're taught to. She came back from school and she's like, that's horrible. I'm like, what? We say horrible here. And she's like, horrible. Orange.

And I'm like, uh, near. I'll see you on Tuesday, and I'm like, gross. Where's my sister? Where's my costume? What were you got? What was your, when you guys, when you were at school, were you guys in touch? I mean, was there a point where you guys were not talking because it just, you know. No, actually, that's when we got close.

Oh, really? She went to college in Boston. She went to Boston University. And I was in ninth grade when she was a freshman in college. And I just was like, I have to call my sister. She's like, the only person who understands me. So I would take my parents' credit card and call her at lunch from the payphone at Crossroads. Yeah, and we talk like all the time.

And she would read me quotes from, what is that book? Oh my God. I remember you reading me quotes from. Like Stenzlowski. It was like Stella Adler. It was not acting. It was like a Buddhist. No, it was like some kind of like theology book.

I can't remember what it was, but you were like. It was like Rumi. How deep of me. Something like that. You were like, let me read you a quote. And you would make me mix tapes, a Brit pop mixstapes. And I was like, what is this music? My mind is blown.

You're like, they're called blur. So wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. But what was the turning point for you to sort of say, oh, this is my home girl, this is my sister, and I'm going to be her older sister and love her and show her. When I went to college really, I mean, I think that, you know, we became, we were, you know, somewhat close, but it was really being a way, I think, that brought, absence makes the heart more fonder.

And I started being, like, really cool. And you got cooler, so it was okay. Like, I was cool ever. That was not a priority. Who was cooler in school, like, overall? Who do you think was cooler? I was, like, not, I was not cool. That's untrue.

What's interesting is you say, like, no, I was in, I remember you. So that's, so meaning like, I was a much younger. Your sister's so gorgeous. You were so beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. Everyone was like, your sister's so gorgeous. Yes, and you had this voice and like, for someone in theater and chorus, you were definitely someone that I noticed.

And the thing about Zoe, Zoe literally came to school starting in ninth grade in her little vintage like in a costume like little outfits that were like these 40s inspired outfits with little like those two inch kind of secretary like shoes and cat eyes I mean you literally have not changed from high school. It was like two hours of hair and makeup

before class like the little flip like a flip hair with stickers she put stickers over there I put a sticker actually you'd put little stickers I put a sticker here and I had them all over the the sink in the bathroom I choose my sticker would be like rainbow stars I remember one time

we were sitting in French and you had on this outfit that looked like an Alice in Wonderland situation you had a headband on the whole thing and I remember thinking to myself I must have been in like

Gap shorts and like you know the way I you looked like an you looked like you were in a like a Tommy Hilfiger yeah

Tommy Hilfiger gorgeous well Kate went on a whole modeling at totally. Beach girl. Yeah. Beach girl. Yeah. So I remember sitting in French class and we, it was a very small French class. And Zoe was the outfit.

And I remember literally thinking to myself, how long does it take her to get ready in the morning? Like, I could never. Answer, long time. I literally was like, wow, it's so like put together. It was really, and just kept going. Like, it never, and so when people, never ended. Never, and I have to say, like, in terms of, wouldn't you say your sister in terms of, like, authentic style from when she was young to where she is now sort of holds real steady? Yes.

Yes, I think it's holds steady. Has it shifted? You know what? It's come, it actually snapped back a little bit because, like, when I was, like, pregnant and having, like, kids and then right after, I was like, got to adjust. Got to adjust for, like, this extra stuff here. So I had to adjust for a little bit. Then I got to adjust back. So the style had to change a little bit.

The shape changed. Some of the shapes had changed. The style spirit was the same. I had my kids pretty close together. So it was like about four years of like we don't fit in these clothes. I do like have some of my clothes still from high school. I was wearing this sweater the other day that I was like, yep, bought this in high school. It like got to have it or something.

Do you remember that? And you've always had bangs. Always had bangs. I grew them out for like a year. There was a moment. There was a moment you didn't have. It was one year. It was ninth grade.

I didn't have bangs. And then they came back in 10th. Can I say one thing that before we get going or moving on? So Emily Day Chanel was always like the very beautiful drama girl. So there might be a way to switch this in that you were thinking, oh, you are not the cool person. but there's maybe you are too cool for the cool people because I think you were looked at sort of as like, oh, well, she's too, like, pretty and good and talented

and more mature than... And focused. And focused than we are. You know what I mean? It's not how I felt. She's unattainable. She's not the one that you really go talk to because we're sort of these little idiots running around

and she is doing drama and she's focused and she's better than we are. No, that is not how I felt. I do remember Jesse Erman said to me one day, I don't know what I was doing in the theater. And he, I don't know he was there. And he was like, you think you're so cool, but you're not. And I was like, and then he like left.

And I was like, I don't think I'm cool at all. Like, I don't know why you think of me. So you think I think I'm cool because I do not think I'm cool. I told, I saw Jesse like a few weeks ago and I had a whole conversation. He's like, I did not say that. And I said, oh, he did. Oh, you're legendary in our family. I said you're legendary in our family because it was Emily's like first week of ninth grade and she came home crying because this guy said you think you're so cool but you're not.

I don't remember crying about it. Are you were upset about it? You were upset about it. I was upset about it. We're calling Jesse. We're calling him right now. He's not answering. That's such a bummer.

This would be so good right now. Well, call me. I have Emily Deschanel here. But see, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you. You know, that it speaks to what I was saying, you know, because he, that's the way he felt in a way. He thought, I thought I was really cool. Right. But he also thought I was not.

Right. Well, but that's, that's him, that's him sort of being like, I'm attracted to you and I like you. And I like you, but you, you don't like me because you're too cool. He did say to me, he goes, no, ask anyone. I was in love with Emily. Yeah. All of high school. And he's like, ask Ollie.

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It was off-Broadway theater and independent films. I remember somebody laughing me to be like, oh so you never want to make any money in your life but that's what you were that's what you wanted to do that's what i wanted to do and i came out of college and moved to new york and was there for a year and i got i got an agent and i got no audition like zero auditions and then i came out to l.a and i was able to do some meetings and stuff and i was like oh there's so much more here but yeah no i wanted to be an actor i mean i spent four years training to become a theatrical actor

Changing your accent And everything But have you done theater now? I have like Equity Waiver theater in Los Angeles I've done but I haven't done for years Would you want to go to New York and do theater? Do a play with Ollie

Yeah I've never done one Your first play You can do glass menagerie He's already reversed it By the way That could be a great parody on the glass monogery The glass menageretua.

The glass menageretua. Until you just said that. I don't know why I was like, why do you think it was about a piece of them? Okay. So now, M. I mean, Zoe, you go to college for one year. For one year. Study theater.

Studying theater. Then I got an audition for a little movie called Almost Famous on my winter break. Audition for it. Didn't hear anything. then on spring break I got a call saying like hey you're back in L.A. So there's this part that opened up in

almost famous. Miraculously. Miraculously. And Cameron went through all the old tapes and picked out your tape and I was like okay I went in for the audition with like a giant flower behind me. This was a flower phase.

Anyway, I did a very long audition, and I was like, oh. And then I got the movie, and I had to quit a production of Cabaret to come back. See you in Northwestern. Bye. Is that, was that it? Like, once you did that gig, you're like, okay, college is done. Well, actually, here's what happened. I was going to Northwestern.

I was planning on going back. I was going to defer the last, like, quarter or whatever it was. It was like, there was like a, it was like on a trimester system. or something they were like it was split in three and i had to defer the last one and i was going to just pick up where i left off the next year and um i reserved a um public storage space in scoky illinois for like my computer and stuff i drove out there it's like in the middle scoky illinois trust your computer my sheets i can't it was an i mac they were big back then they were really big it's just too much to bring it across the gunners

I wasn't going to ship it back. I was like, let's just, so I reserved it, and then I got there. I don't know why I went out there without, like, confirming that I, that they had, and I said, hello, I have a reservation for, I also didn't know how to do practical things. No one ever taught me, so I was just, like, feeling stuff out. I was like, I guess, look in the phone book, you get a storage space. I'll probably book, like, a huge storage space for this in here. It's fine airplane hanged, I'll put it on my credit card.

Probably still there. She never went and got it. They misspelled my name and I owe them a lot of money. Yeah, so I got there and they were like, we don't have that reservation. I was like, okay, bye. And then I just was like, I shipped all my stuff back with travelers checks that I got from a British Vogue shoot. So travelers checks. Travelers checks.

So I got flown back to L.A. But from a British Vogue shoot. Yeah. Yeah. So I got flown back. You did. And you have. You might have been in this photo shoot.

There was like, you know how they do those young Hollywood photos shoots? it's like back in the day. Yeah. And they'd always have like this young actor. It would always be, my first photo shoot, I got flown back to L.A. by British folk because for some reason the photographer was like,

yeah, I want to photograph her because I'd already done my first movie before college. And so somehow they flew me out. And then I got a really cheap ticket. And they paid me in traveler's checks like $1,000. And I'd flown back for like $180 or something. And I was like, yes, thanks for the extra. And I used the extra money to ship all my stuff back to L.A.

Your extra travelers checked. Yeah, the travelers. So there goes your college experience. Yeah, so then I was like, I'm done with college. I shipped all my stuff back. Now, what did it feel like for you on your first day doing almost famous? Oh, my God. It was the best.

I remember the rehearsals so well with Francis McDormand. and Patrick Fuget. He and she were awesome. We got to rehearse so much for what small little, you know, stuff we had. I was so spoiled. Like, my first two movies I got to rehearse, so it was like... So great. I don't think I've rehearsed a thing.

You never went to rock school, though, did you? So we had rock school on Almost Famous, so we had, like, the band and all the band-aids for, like, a month. We would go and, well, we'd rehearse some scenes like, you know, Billy and I would rehearse and Patrick and I would rehearse. But then we'd just hang out at rock school, like the band-aids would sit there and we'd like be smoking and the guys would be learning how to play their songs. And it was so much fun. That's kind of like you on bones, like you had bone school. I remember that. We talked about that.

This is a femur. It's so cool. For three weeks, Emily was just smoking and drinking. and looking at bones. I know all about the skeletal. Yeah. From bones school. Yeah.

Then, then, okay, so now you came back and when was your sort of big break? Emily. Emily. Yeah, this is audio. Sorry. You're also, no one's going to be able to tell the difference between that voice. Oh, yeah. We have the same voice.

Yeah, it's very similar voice. Like sometimes when Zoe talks, I think it's me. It's like on some recording or something or vice versa. Mm-hmm. It's the one thing about us that is identical. I mean, I've done other things. What do you say? It's the one thing about us that really is identical.

Yes. The color of your eyes. Our eyes are pretty small. Yours are a little green more green. I have like light. They're a little lighter. Yeah, yours are a little bit lighter. They're like my color.

Yeah. Just like your color. Yeah. Exactly. Are we? Are we related? Yeah, we were related. My father's award winning cinematographer.

I know about yours. Oh my God. What? So what was your sort of like moment of like, oh my God, this is so excited. I've made it. Yeah. I'm excited about what I'm done. Before that though, what about just the struggles of trying to get it done?

You know, and I also wanted to talk about just nepotism, you know, because obviously, you know, we all experienced that. But at the end of the day, it's about proving yourself. Yes, you can get your foot in the door. Yeah. You can't. You, I said so many people, you cannot. sustain a career if you are not like working really hard it's not like just having um some connections is going to make a career totally but in fairness we because of your where you grew up

and the way we grew up like getting an agent wasn't difficult you can go in there and you know you can take get the meetings i mean granted yeah there the but i will say like i got an agent in new york but it was like i had to go an audition for the guy i don't know if he knew my family you know what that was hard but then I got a manager because of Zoe

already had an agent or a manager I had both and she was friends with a manager and I got I had like yeah my agent

was friends with the manager student films that I did oh yeah horrible but I mean you know for student films they are not bad

but you know the student films and I somehow got a manager from that so I got nepotism from Zoe especially even

already because she was already working oh that's great I mean I've made money off my sister for sure.

He's still making money on him. Yeah, he's like, oh, you're Kate Hudson's brother? Like, yeah. How much do you want to pay me for that? 20,000. I'm like, perfect. What do I have to do? But I started working in...

Yeah, you started. You started the whole thing. I made her who she is. I started working in high school, and I actually felt like it was easy to get an agent because there were so many teen movies being made. They wanted to do that. A lot of teen movies. They wanted to sign teenagers.

And I think, Scream and... And you had a, she's all that. Yeah, she's, oh, and then, like, what was the one that Keith Ledger? Oh, yeah. Ten Cings and about you. I auditioned for all of those movies. All of that. It was wild.

It was so, I mean, American Pie, remember? Yeah, yeah. Just all that stuff. So we were right, I mean, a sweet spot for that. Yeah, we got agents real quick. But you, you'd graduate school and then spent a year in New York. so by the time you came out to L.A., it was like not as, it wasn't,

it was a little bit harder to get an agent than being 16, I think. But then what about the grind for you, Emily, of just trying to like make it happen, fucking auditioning, it's not working. I mean, how was that? It's like so much rejection. It's a good thing, like, I mean, having people

and your family doing, oh my God, yeah. I mean, it took me, once I got the manager here, it took me six months and so many auditions to get one job. which I felt like I was going to give it longer than that. So it was surprising to get that. But then I'd have like a year without work. And you're auditioning for everything.

And you go and you do, you're like, oh, they want to test you for this pilot. And then you go and they're like, oh, we don't want to test you. You go to the like mix up or whatever. Like the chemistry meters, you're still testing. Nope. You get dropped. I mean, so many things like that. It took me a year to get a job.

Like when I was in high school. It took me a year to get a job. then I got like maybe I got one job and then I got another job that summer then I went away to school and then I did audition for Almost Famous and I got that but then when I came back and I was like all right I'm set now

and then no work for like seven months The life of an actor is just I always say like just if you gotta have a thick skin you gotta be read even in great success you're going to be criticized and rejected constant almost more the more successful you are. And I say that the auditioning process

is what prepares you for success. I guess the thing is from all of these actors to whoever's listening out there if you want to become an actor. Work hard. Well, it's work hard and no, like it's a roller coaster ride. I mean, there is just no, there's no right way in, wrong way.

It never quits. You have to truly love it. That's all. Emily, did you ever. feel a time when you wanted to like stop where you're like fuck this well after I finished bones I felt like I wasn't inspired and I didn't know

I was just so exhausted too because we did it for 12 years insane no it's insane what you did insane insane only a few people have done something like that I've seen your show I've seen like almost every episode you have that's amazing that's 12 years of an hour show I mean yeah we had like 246 episodes It's the burnout on that.

I was completely burned out. I mean, I also, like, didn't, I felt like I played the same character for 12 years and basically only played that character because you have, like, a month and a half, two months off. And so I, there's a couple times where I did jobs in the, in the, in the, in the, um, hiatus. But mostly I'd only play this character. So I was like, I don't know how to act or play another character. So I took a lot of time off.

I just, I wasn't inspired. I felt raw. I wasn't, I didn't feel healthy. It was just, yeah. But so that, that. That's when. I actually almost quit acting. You were on that shit forever too.

That it wasn't from, it was actually before I did that show, I was doing, because I have a band. I was doing music and it was going well and I was touring and I was like, this is fun and I'm writing my own stuff and I feel like I'm in control and it's just, you know, so nice and so fun and I get to be on stage and I love it. And I was like, yeah, like sometimes acting just breaks your heart and you're like, oh, it's like being, like getting out of a. bad relationship where you're like ugh like your heart like my heart felt broken like at that point like I had done like 10 or 12 years of doing movies like from the time I was teenager and I was like okay and I'd done enough where I was some movies would be such amazing experiences and then other ones I'd have like really high hopes and then you get there and you trust the director you're like okay you really want me to give like a really big performance and they're like yes you need to give a really

And you're like, okay, I'll, I'll try. And then you're like, that was horrible. Why did I listen to them? You know, and then you, yeah. And then again, like, it doesn't turn out how you want it to. And you put six months of your life into that thing and all of this work. And it was like doing music was just so fun and carefree. And I felt like every time I was playing music, I was happy.

And I never, I just never really had a bad moment playing music. I was just like, I love playing music. like I don't always love touring but but then when I got my show I was like okay this is good material and I was like you just have to like go where the good material is and I was like oh I kind of want to act that sounds fun oh good that that's what sort of brought you out of it I was like I was like halfway out the door like when I when I got new girl how long did that how long did new girl go seven years yeah and were you ready to be done I was I also had two kids like back to back the last like three years it was like pregnancy

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were oh no yeah we were talking about a moment someone set this story straight because i I still, I accept the responsibility, but I'm still in denial. Jesse, you did say to me, this is Emily. Did you or did you not say to me, you think you're cool? No, you think you're so cool, but you're not. You did. You probably don't remember that. There must have been a double negative in there somewhere to reverse it, but anything's possible.

I said those because you liked her, and that's, that's what I said. And so the intentions were, you know, this was pre-Neil Strauss, but I must have been, it must have been a technique. It was coming from a place of heart and affection, so I don't know. But you know that she's never forgotten this, and even Zoe, and apparently it's like if it's a family thing. Well, Zoe was giving me a hard time about it the other day. I know. Hi. Yay. And tried to let me off the hook, but I really felt terrible. and I also maybe reflect on all the times

I've seen Emily in the last few years I just to think that she's been carrying it is that's that's rough I think about it every day oh man I said I think about it every day I cry I cry and think about it every day

unfortunately soon as I found out about it so do I we're in it together well I'm glad we cleared us up Me too. Thanks for calling. Thanks, Esther. Well done.

Well done. First time call or a long time listening. All right. Thanks. I'll talk to you. Okay. Okay. So clever, Jesse.

I'm sorry. So you took the babies with you, both of you, both Zoe and Emily when you were working. So Emily had her second baby right before I had my first. Yeah, they were two months apart. So they got to play. Calvin and Elsie are both four and they love each other. They're so different, but they love each other. Yeah.

They're like, they are polar opposites. Elsie's like, likes crafting and doing art and very risk averse. She'll sit for a very long time at brunch and just sit there. My boys would not sit for even a minute. Both my kids will, both my kids will, like, kind of sit. But Elsie especially, and Elsie doesn't like if things spill on the floor. She gets very upset. She wants to clean it up right away.

Or unsafe things. Unsafe things she doesn't like toys on the floor. She's worried that people are going to trip. But Calvin, the last time they were hanging out, Calvin was just like throwing toys. And also he's going, ah, ah, ah. And he was just pouring water on the floor.

She's just overwhelmed by the mess. They're like the odd couple. That's totally. Literally the odd couple. Isn't it so fun to think and know that those relationships as they get older and we're experiencing that now are going to be so solid and so important it's going to be it's everything it's everything you know do you guys currently get along all the time are you super close we are close do you see each other a lot

yes you do see each other a good amount emily isn't Emily doesn't answer her phone as much as I do you're like I feel like I'll text you like three times before you'll text me back You're like never on your phone. You also, you like, you're much more of a phone person. I'm more of a text person and I am not great on the phone. You're also not great a text either. More than anybody else. Like, really?

Yes. Oh. I don't talk on the phone. I don't, I don't know. I'm not a phone talking. Do you ever, do you ever see Zoe's call and just not answer it? Only would have not available. Like, I've been in the chiropractors and been like, I will have to get this later.

Emily's like always picking up a kid. It's like she's always picking up a child. Wait a minute. She's just picking up Calvin and she's picking up in me. How many kids do you have? It's like she has four kids, but she only has two. And she's always dropping off. We have double pick up, double drop-offs.

I mean, for each child. So it's a quadruple thing. Have you guys ever physically fought? All the time coming up. Do you have competitive natures? I do. But with each other, though, meaning like saying like, oh, that's fucked or dis or is there any jealousy or envy career-wise or?

I don't think there is that much. like jealousy or envy but I think that we both are like sensitive like sometimes if like like I know sometimes if you think I'm being insensitive you really don't like that right yes I'm a more sensitive person right yeah I'm like walking wound yeah yeah Emily is like me thinking very vulnerable yeah I'm less I'm like less vulnerable person probably you are right wouldn't you say yeah yeah yeah so were you were you where did you find success before Zoe found success before you yeah yeah where did you how did you feel about her success were you 100% happy she was so nice and supportive I have to say like you she was such a good big sister I didn't feel like not

supportive or good sort of like oh god I mean I love her and I support her but there's this thing where it's just all he's projecting his experience I know I ask this all the time because and so far everyone's been no I just full support in love she I will say she really Emily really is the real deal, like really, really, really supportive, really, like, good, really, like, across the board, always supportive of me. Even when I would think anybody else would be jealous because I started earlier and I was younger and that I would think would be annoying. Like, if I were an older sister, that would annoy me. But it's just, Emily was always like, no, I'm so happy for her. Like, at least on the surface, if anything was going on, I didn't know it.

There's so much going on underneath. no we're just different so it's not like what do you think the biggest differences are do you think that's what it is the sensitivity that's probably a big one like also when we try and do things together like I like to plan ahead very like a lot plan ahead even though I naturally don't but I like now get used to planning ahead I don't know are you I feel like you're more spontaneous than I am and I like value spontaneity a lot but I but I actually prepare very far ahead it's just that I prepare for the spontaneity to happen far ahead. You know what I mean?

And I'll be like, all right, I'm going to schedule the time very far ahead to be spontaneous. But that's an interesting thing. You plan for spontaneity. Yes, I plan for spontaneity. You are, I would say you're pretty methodical. Yeah. Right? And then I, yeah, we do have different styles.

Yeah, we like different things in the people we have around us, right? How about raising kids? Do you guys have the same parental philosophies? I think similar. For the most part. Yeah. Yeah. I think Emily will like go fully like into something like like will commit her like.

Okay. Well, here's an example. It's not parenting thing. But Emily's a vegan and has been a vegan for like 25 years. And I'm a vegetarian. And I'm like I'm like I'm like 75% there. But like I don't go full committal like to the thing. Emily's like all in and like ride or die.

Right. And I'm like, yeah, I got, as long as I got most of the time, I only feel pretty good about it. Now, wait, did you guys watch each other's shows? Were you, like, very much? It was impossible to watch every bones because there's so many of them, but, yeah. I, like, watched every single one. I'm sorry. That's true.

More bones than you. But I will say that I'm really good at, like, the first couple episodes of my brother's shows. And then I'm out. Yeah. And then usually I'm like, and then usually it's, like, so much going on. and the bachelor comes on and it just takes I pretty much seen

every episode of New Girl it's a show I would have watched if she wasn't on it too but I haven't caught every movie she's been in I haven't caught every movie I've been in either I don't think I've caught any movies

I haven't seen Kate's done I don't we don't watch each other stuff it's weird when you know someone well especially if it sometimes like I don't find it weird to watch like someone being funny but if somebody's like being romantic, I'm like,

ugh, out. Would you, would you admit, and this goes for us too, would you admit if you went to watch it and actually turned it off? I would turn it off for reasons like, ooh, I didn't want to watch you kiss a person. You guys worked on the same lot.

Yes. And did you visit each other? Yes, we would. But Elsie and Calvin were like the same age. It was the cutest. I feel like I had a little bit more flexible schedule than you did. So I usually would go to visit you. And you guys haven't worked together now, right?

Have you worked together or no? I was on Emily's show. She did an episode of phones. Yeah. Oh, fun. We played cousins, and my character was obsessed with Benjamin Franklin. Fun. If you had to give a piece of advice to someone out there who's having a hard time with their sister relationship,

what would your advice to sisters be? Don't own a duplex together. Yeah. Don't own property. Don't go into business together if you're like. Do not own a duplex together. Did you guys own? We owned a duplex together.

It caused a lot of stress. Spoiler alert. It's the worst we've ever gotten along. Yeah. It was a lot of stress. We had different approaches to everything. So. I lived there pretty much the whole time.

She moved in at a certain point and then moved out pretty quickly. Mm-hmm. And then I rented it to my friend. Mm-hmm. And then. It was either. easier once I rented it to my friend, right? Like our relationship was easier.

It was more of, I feel like, the stress when you decided you wanted to sell it before you started. And I was like, wait, I thought we were staying here. You went and looked for a house and I would say, I think it's so important in any relationship to, like, think of the other person's perspective as much as you can. Like to understand where they're coming from. Sometimes you can't always predict that person's perspective, though, because it's so different from yours. predict it or understand or like try and figure out what it is you have no idea what my perspective is clearly no sometimes you'll be like I can't believe you did that I'll be like I like that thing wouldn't be important to me so I don't I'm like I don't I'm like I get it now that you say it

but like sometimes there will be something that is important to Emily that I don't know is important to Emily and I'm like oh God yeah I had no idea you I understand that it's It's weird. It's not about what you feel. It's about being compassionate to what the other people, other person feels. Even if you don't agree with it or it is not of your perspective. You still have to be like, okay, well, I don't feel that way, but I understand and have compassion for the way that you're feeling.

And sometimes it's the communication where you're like, okay, tell me that so that for the future I'll remember that you're that way, you know, or that that's important to you. Whereas like, because it's not important to me, I didn't think of it this time, but I will next time because are you guys philosophically compatible or do you have different philosophy life philosophies i mean that's a big question but you know just based on what you're like more like spiritually i feel you know what i mean like you're more like into things you're more like yeah i'm more like yeah i'm definitely more i'm more like philosophically inclined like yeah i would say that's true yeah me too okay who calls the other

more. This is our speed around. Zoe definitely calls me more. I call her all the time. She picks up like one of every five miles. I think that's me and you. Yeah.

Who gives better advice? Oh. We give really different advice? Yeah, I guess we do. Yeah, we both. Yeah. I think we both. I would always call you like, yeah,

Emily gives great advice. I'll say Emily to. I'm going to say Emily. I'm so funny because it's like depends on what the advice is about. I'm good at like recommendations. Relationship. Relationship advice. Oh,

who should at relationship advice. I think Emily's like very practical so it makes it's it's always good to you know because you're like why would you do that right I just remember and you're like why would you do that and I'm like yeah that's a great question why would I do that I don't know it was dumb why are you you think that that's all I needed uh the thing you fight over most often oh or do you fight we do definitely fight um I feel like I feel like you get mad at me more than I get mad at you. That might be true.

That might be true. I feel like I get, because I'm more sensitive. So it'll be like my feelings get hurt or I feel like if I'm going through something, like I've gone through something recently where it was like really hard. And I felt like you like you're like get over like not get over it. You didn't say that. All you have to do is just get over it. It's not exactly what you said.

But I want to like live in the fire for ever for a very long time. Emily wants to live in the fire. analyze it and be like. This is really painful, but we're going to go through it. We're so similar. Zoe and I are so, yeah. Do you feel like her little sister and do you feel like her big sister now that we're all adults here or you're adults? Mostly, but I think sometimes I feel like her little sister.

I feel like my feminist older sister that's like, like the man. Okay, best gift you've given each other. Oh, Hello Kitty grilled cheese maker. Emily gave to me. She was like, you love Hello Kitty. You love grilled cheese. Wait, here you go. Wait, how did you find this?

It was like the greatest. I was like, Emily's an amazing gift giver. Amazing gift giver. She's like so thoughtful and so good at giving gifts. I love giving gifts. And loves it. And you're really good at it. And I just remember this one Christmas, I was really into the grill cheese.

Might not have been my, at my lowest weight. Was when your dress shapes change. Dress shapes were not the same. But I was really into Grilchees and Emily got me that. What about Zoe for you? Zoe gives me jumps. Surprise. This is not a jump suit she gave me,

but I wore it just in case because she has the dress version of it. I wish you told me. I would have worn it. I just going to wear it just in case she shows up in the same outfit because that'll be amazing. Who's messier? Oh, I'm really messy. So it's got to be me. I think Emily's a little bit messier.

I remember one time you came over to my apartment. I was like, don't touch anything. And you were so mad Because my fingers are so dirty Who's funnier? Who's funny? We're both so funny. She got paid to be funnier

More than me. You're really funny. Let's say it's a tie. Who's goofier? Oh. We're both goofy. Yeah. I would guess maybe you're goofy.

I don't know, but I'm pretty weird. Who's wittier? Who's like quick? Who's the quick? I feel like Zoe. Zoe is quicker. least quickest. I'm really bad like that.

Zoe is... Words are my life. Okay. Who gets the last word in an argument? I don't know if you're serious or not, but... Who gets the last word during an argument? I think Emily. Oh, you think so?

I was going to say you. Really? It's so funny. I feel like you because you'll be like, and goodbye. You'll hang up so I can't get any more words. Well, you guys argue, huh? Yes.

Well, it's because I... Feel me. feel on different levels. I'll be like, yeah, we feel different. We have like different levels of feeling. Who's the better cook? Probably Zoe.

We both are good cooks. I don't really cook much now. Oh, I love cooking. Who's better in a crisis? Emily. I'm good in a crisis. Oh, Emily, yes. I'm good in the crisis.

When our mom like fell down the stairs at my sister's house and had to get stitches and I was like, oh my God, I'm going to get to shit. I'm getting out the first day of kit. Go in the other room. And I was like, I was like I can drive to the hospital

It's five minutes in here It's fine Who has better style? Oh, Zoe Zoe has more like consistent like specifics I'm not good at like I can put things together But it's not like my natural inclination Emily's like so gorgeous she doesn't need

She doesn't need to wear anything but like an old sack That's what Jesse said That's what Jesse said She has to step out an old seed sack He never would help me that. That's what I was feeling. Did your parents ever, did you ever feel like one of you

was the favorite sibling? If they felt that way, they never let us know. Our mom was like, how could I say that? She was like very careful about it. Oh, so you asked her. No, no, no, no, no. I never asked her, but I mean, I just remember she didn't. She was also very careful, like, that she,

I think having two girls too, because you go, you go, I remember she'd be like, Emily, you look so pretty today. And I'd be like, what is that? I mean, I don't look pretty. You know, I remember that being like if she said one thing to one and she'd have to worry about the other. I feel like girls are so sensitive.

I can relate to that as an actor because I feel like everyone gets praised with me after a scene. They're like, Jimmy, that was a great scene. I'm like, hey, me too. What about me? What about me? I guess no notes. They're like, we'll see the next scene.

I'm like, okay. They probably just assume you now. I was always so, especially early on in my crew, I was so conscious of that. One thing that you would want to, like, alleviate your sibling from. Right. Like, if you could take something at a Zoe and be like, God, if you just, if you, I wish I could take that away from you. And so you didn't have to feel that. Yeah.

Oh. If I could take away, like, some of your, like, extra feeling that. So you didn't feel it. And just, and I would just go like this. I would say, you got a lot of feels. Let's just take some of the extra feels and just go, recycle it. A spoonful of feelings. Spoonful of feelings.

I'm going to go, let's replace that with some like vegan whipped cream. I like that. What about you? Emily. I don't know. I mean, I feel like you're pretty good. Like I'd want to take certain things like any kind of pain or something like that away.

But I feel like you deal with things better than I do. I hide it. We're so deep. And like public dealing with having to deal with the public. So much more. I mean, she's more in the public than I am. So, like, having to deal with that. Like, that is my, like, worst nightmare. I can't handle that stuff.

What about the reverse? What would you like to have for yourself that Zoe possesses? Oh, so many things. I feel like, you know, like handling things better or having less of, like, getting bogged down by emotions. You don't get that. Like, being able to handle. And what about you? Emily's, like, the most compassionate.

person I know like I would love to like have like an ounce like a little extra of that I feel like I'm passionate but I have to like think about a lot it's like it comes so naturally to her and she's so empathetic naturally has always been that way it's like I remember being at dinner when her kids and someone talked about dolphins and she was like she started like just crying about dolphins and I was like oh my god what's wrong with dolphins you like you like she's She's, like, feeling the Dolphins pain. And I was like, oh, my God, this is, like, such a... That's where all my extra feelings come from.

You have a little FIT on everybody. And I'm like, yeah, yeah. You're an empath. She's an empath. She's an empath. We're so happy, you guys. This is so fun. I love you so much.

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