Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - First Lady Michelle Obama & Her Brother Craig Robinson

Episode Date: June 2, 2025

Kate and Oliver are pinching themselves, as they host the most PRESIDENTIAL episode ever!  First Lady Michelle Obama joins the revelry with her brother Craig Robinson about life before and after the White House. From their childhood memories, to how they’ve reconnected recently through their podcast, to Michelle’s Netflix binge (hint: Kate is in it)...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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our relationship and what it's like to be siblings we are a sibling revelry no no sibling reverie don't do that with your mouth sibling revelry that's good Ollie Obama said very clearly that she wanted casual vibes. This is casual on the bottom. Scott Jennings from CNN on top. I'm so excited right now. I know.

Wait, you guys got dressed up. No, I'm telling you right now. You guys got dressed up and I'm wearing sweats. I feel terrible. I am not dressed up. I'm wearing my nightgown. I am looking at who's got a suit on? Yeah.

Listen to me. Oliver, dude. I was like, and you got your hair slick back? You have shorts on at least underneath that? I have never seen Oliver like this. Listen. Like ever. I look at you.

You're so handsome. My sister brings out the best in everybody. Your big boy suit on. I'm wrapping both. So I got, you know, but then I, you know, look, I got Craig on the bottom. Oh, you got shorts on the bottom. Okay, Oliver. All right.

All right. And I got long socks. Look at those socks. Oh, my gosh. Oh, God. I laughed so hard when I, when I turned on my screen, I was like, Oliver. This was a clear directive. No, I know.

I just worked out and I came home and I'm like, I got to do something. And then I put this on and looked at myself. And I was like, oh, my God, I looked like Scott Jennings from CNN. You do. You look like a movie star. What are you doing? I thought we were on the wrong Zoom. I was like, oh, my God.

And there's like 18 people on here. I am so happy to have you on. I'm so excited. Craig, Michelle, I can't wait to get into like, yeah. Growing up and your childhood and how fun. And thank you for coming on our podcast. We're so happy.

Thank you for having us. I'm excited. We're excited too. Very excited. Before we do get started, this suit is actually. It represents my litigious nature as well because I know you've got your podcast, IMO, right? You guys are brothers. We did this five years ago.

So expect to hear from our lawyers, you know what I'm saying? Like, obviously you're biting and that's fine. Yes, we are. We biting hard. But, you know, I really like the name of your sibling revelry. That's a really cool play. Very well done. Thanks, Craig. Craig, I got really excited going into your history. You've got quite the, quite the stats. And now as a fake basketball owner, I got, I, on running point, I got really excited because I really got to go deep into, like, your history of basketball. I mean, you still hold, like, records and stuff. I'm hoping that, uh, that's that some young whippersnapper comes along and breaks those records so we can stop talk.

about it. This is like prehistoric history, but I appreciate it, Kate. It was so cool. I loved it. It's amazing. How are you enjoying playing a basketball maven? I love it. I love it. It's so much fun. There was one day where I was on set and it was me and like 45 very handsome men. And I was like Mindy Kaling just knew I was the right girl for this show. It's not a bad situation. Kate, you know, that was my whole feeling about having a brother, a big brother that was in basketball. Yeah. Because I was like, that's where I met half the guys I dated when I was little, you know. You go to the game and you're like, ooh, who's scoring more?

And then I'd have my brother to be like, how's this dude? Is he, he's new? Is he cute? Is he nice? He'd give me the thumbs up, you know? I thought you were going to say, who's scoring more like you or me? That's what I thought you were going to say. It sounded like she was going there.

Trying to keep it clean. Trying to keep it clean. But Kate, I am a huge fan running point. It's on my top list. Oh, thanks. You are killer in it. It is funny. The cast, I don't want a fan girl out, but the cast is amazing.

Storylines, good, good, good. I'm ready for season two. Yeah, thanks for saying that. We are, we are too. They're in the writer's room right now, and it's really, it's going to be such a fun season. And so I'm really excited. So congratulations. And you know what?

I'm just happy to have a job. You know, hey. That's how we feel. What means you want to do the podcast? You know, I mean, first of all, our team asked. And, you know, it starts there. We've got our audio hub, higher ground audio. And it was, it's useful for the, for the, for the, for the.

for the brand to have a always on, you know, good show. And I think everybody was scared to ask me to do it, to spend this much time. So they thought a great hook, which has been my life as first lady. Nobody wants to ask me anything directly. So they asked Craig. They were scared. They were scared. They were like, she's not going to want to do this.

And she's not going to want to be out there this much. So they got the call saying, well, what if you did something with Craig? And they were ready to make the argument. And I was like, that sounds fun. I would love to spend more time with my big brother and chop it up. He's one of my favorite people. He has to do all the heavy lifting anyway. So just like being a big brother, you know, he's doing all the work.

So I wish it was that way for me and all. Oh, my God. Wait a minute. Hold on. Do you want to like... No, I'm lying. Ollie's doing a lot of heavy lifting. The podcast?

Yeah, he's been doing most of the heavy lifting. Oh, God. I have sciatica because I've been so much. It's crazy. You know what's so wonderful is really getting to spend that time with your brother? And you don't even realize, like I didn't even realize when Oliver and I got into, just sort of like a silly idea, like, oh, let's start a podcast, you know? and when we didn't realize

how deep we were going to go into our relationship and how much more time we were spending together and in adulthood you've got your kids and you got your life and you I mean look you're huge both have huge lives and you don't realize that you don't really spend the time actually having these long connective conversations and it just brought Ali and I so much closer.

Yeah, do you feel like that? Do you feel like you guys have actually, it's an allocated time to actually be brother and sister. I do, especially Oliver, because, you know, when Mish and Barack were living in the White House, I was coaching at Oregon State for most of that time. And it was just hard logistically to be in the same place, right? So we would play a game once a year in Washington, D.C. and do a service day with the team. It was always around Thanksgiving.

And it was always around Thanksgiving, so we'd have Thanksgiving dinner. And that was really the only time during the year that we could get together and talk and my mom would be there. And so that was really nice. And then we'd try and do something in the summer. So it was like two times a year we'd see each other. But now we get together at least once a month, sometimes twice a month, and we are talking about some really fun things, some really serious things. and we're helping people out there who have sort of these everyday issues that we've gone through. And it's been so much fun.

We are really interestingly enough, both people, people. You know, I always say I don't get tired of people. I think that's probably one of the reasons why we, our family survived, you know, eight years in the White House, 10 years, if you include running and, you know, you know, what life is post, I really do enjoy having conversations with people. It gives me energy. And this, and Craig is the same way. You know, both really very curious. We both really have strong opinions. You know, this is the way we grew up talking around the kitchen table. We do it with our own kids. When we do get together, a lot of it, you know, nobody's like running out to play games.

We're sitting around with all our kids of all these different ages and everybody wants to know what everybody else is thinking. You know, so there's just a lot of storytelling. And so it's, we were kind of like, we're getting to do what we like to do best and sharing it with the world and hopefully helping people. So it's been a really, really fun experience. How much you have to filter yourself, you know, just given sort of who you guys are, what you have to represent? you know what I mean like I'm a pretty unfiltered person do you have to filter yourselves and sometimes not say the things that you want to say you know Craig probably I don't I don't have to and I think the best part about this podcast is the fact that the world's getting to see my sister as sort of a normal regular person who's giving her normal regular opinions that she would give if you were sitting at her kitchen table. So it doesn't feel like she's filtering it.

But I will say that when they were in the White House and the sort of couple of years before when they were running, I did feel like I had to be careful of what I said and did. So I don't, I feel freer, but I was more free than they were because when people ask me questions, I could always, you know, it was always at a press conference on why my team was playing so badly. So I could be very frank, then. It's funny you bring that up because that was actually going to be a question I had that the extended family beyond who's in the White House now has to button it up a little bit because you're representing something.

You know, I mean, you got to sort of shut it down if you are wild and crazy. Yeah, fortunately, I've never been that wild and crazy. of the two of us I probably would be the most the more conservative if they hadn't been in the White House I would be

nobody would know who I was other than you know a coach who you know probably got four technical files his whole career Mm-hmm Did it help recruiting?

But half the kids and it hurts the other half it's it it it helped in the it helped from the standpoint that I had name recognition and if you have name recognition that is half the battle because you're going up against guys who've won hundreds of games right and the key is getting into the living room with those kids and And if I could use the fact that I was Michelle Obama's brother or Barack Obama's brother-in-law, that was, I used it. Good.

But, but as you can imagine, you know, 48% of the people were probably like, ah, no, I'm not sending my kid to play for him. Right, right. Yeah. So you could feel, you could feel, for the most part, I would say 90, I would say 80% of the time. It was positive. It was really positive. And it got us in with some kids that we probably wouldn't have gotten in on. September always feels like the start of something new,

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And I'm, you grew up in the South, of Chicago? And is it just you too? Yeah, yeah. And what did your parents do? I mean, I'm sure a lot of people know this already, but for those who don't. Yeah. Well, our dad worked, he was a blue-collar city worker. He worked for the Chicago water filtration plan, and he was a pump operator, you know, worked in the boiler room, making sure that the water pressure was just so, and my mom was a stay-at-home mom until I went to eighth grade. I'm a year and a half younger than Craig. And so my parents made the decision early on that it was important for their values for my mom to stay home and spend time with us. So she was very involved, very, you know, a hands-on mom. I've,

I've written about her a lot in my second book, The Light We Carry, just really trying to share a lot of the wisdom that she had. You know, she wasn't a child psychologist. Our parents didn't get, didn't go to college. They were high school educated, very smart people. But they just, you know, they both just had some real common sense approaches to parenting. And part of that was, you know, she wanted to be the one feeding stuff into us because she didn't necessarily. trust that, you know, a babysitter or a daycare center would, you know, give us the kind of leg up that she wanted us to have. So they made the financial sacrifice. And so we didn't, you know,

we lived off of one income. And so my mom went back to work when I was in high school. So she was, you know, up at the school, involved in the PTA, you know, a very engaged stay at home mom. And that left a big imprint on us, you know, having as the first person who was shaping us, somebody who really loved and cared for us and knew we were smart. And being smart working class black kids, you would get a lot of people that would assume that you weren't as smart as you were. You know, she really needed to be the advocate to make sure that we had the right teachers and that if the school, which was, we went to the public school around the corner,

you know, our parents didn't have money to send us to a private school. So it was important for her to make sure that the teachers were on point. I remember in second grade, I tell the story that I went into my second grade class, and the teacher was just, it was a chaotic class. She wasn't focused. She didn't give out assignment. She wasn't good with kids. And I knew this in second grade.

and I would come home for lunch and say, you know, something's not right in this class. We don't have homework. We're not getting real clear assignments. I felt like I was missing something. And my mother went up to the school. And before you know it, I was, I was taking a bunch of tests. And then I passed out of the second grade within the first month of being there. I was a third grader.

And I think that alone, that one act, you know, just at an early age of having a mother who was, who, trusted my voice, who was smart enough and feisty enough to go up to the school, see what was wrong, and advocate for some change. You know, I mean, those are stories. I could, we could both tell you millions of stories of that throughout our young years that gave us, like, a good foundation to fight for ourselves, to know what we were worth. And that was something that, you know, I think played a huge role in us being the confident, competent individuals that we are today. But that came from two folks who didn't go to college. She sounds amazing.

The thing that I remember most about my parents that I try and incorporate with our kids is that they never put the pressure on us to get good grades, right? They always said, just do your best, because your best is going to be good, right? And it was so matter of fact that it just empowered you to be like, okay, if I work hard enough, it was processed rather than results oriented. And to learn that at an early age, and now you see people are teaching that now, you know, 50 years later, 60 years later, it's it just it was so empowering so well there was a little more than that Craig I mean you know mom used to say look I went to school I got an education so this is on you you know you better value it you know I mean as early as kindergarten when we started kindergarten our mother gave us alarm clocks and she was

like you have to work yourself up you you have to want this more than I do um and she was there. She'd be up in the morning. It wasn't like my mom ever slept in. But her whole notion was if you were doing this for me, getting an education, playing basketball, achieving, it won't last. So you better do it for you. And that's something, you know, again, that I try to implement with my kids. It's like, don't get the A for me, you know, don't want this stuff for me, you have to want, you have to want to be excellent your best because this is who you are. And like, I just, as a parent now, I just think, how did my parents, because, you know, they didn't necessarily get that from their parents, you know, I think they spent a lot of time trying to do

the opposite of what their parents did. Yeah, we talk about that a lot, you know, I think you can go a few different ways, well, too. You know, you either are sort of not wanting to become your parents or you're wanting to emulate. And I think there's a little bit of each, you know, I think we are, our kids are so smart. I think we don't give them enough credit at such a young age. They are, they are absorbing. They know what's going on. And, you know, Kate and I were the opposite.

We didn't want to be, we wanted to be with our kids. We didn't want to leave our children. We wanted to have a really solid unit. Were your parents strict? No, no. I mean, because that was. socially you were allowed to kind of do your thing and, you know, advocate for yourself. Well, I guess Craig's got a different way.

You, I didn't feel like they were strict. I was just going to say here's where you raised in the same household and have two separate experiences. Because me being the oldest, and a little of this is my own personality, I felt like my parents were strict. I mean, how so? Tell me more, Craig. You know what I'm going to say. You know what I'm going to say. We were allowed to watch one hour of TV a day.

That's strict. Just think about that. One hour of television. I mean, it wasn't like it was a bunch of channels either. So it was like one hour of TV. And then, you know, I had to be home at a certain time. I had to come home during the day. Like if I went to the basketball court at 10 in the morning,

I could not stay until dinner time. I had to come back every hour and a half to two hours or so. Yeah, but that was because mom wanted to make sure you were alive. I mean, that was like a straight-up kind of make sure that you weren't in a fight. I mean, we lived in the hood. I'd play two games. I'd have to run home, say, mom, I'm okay, yell up to her, I'm okay, and then run back and get back into the game. and I thought

that kind of stuff was strict you had to go he got to go back my sister who never came outside my sister who never came outside thought that was pretty pretty fair but it's just

it's just our different perception right like I felt like I was it was stricter for me now I'm not saying it was you know it wasn't prison or anything but I felt like my parents made me accountable for the time that I was spending during the day.

Right, all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Do you? It's also like a part of, it's interesting, too, because it's also like, you know, the ages that probably was happening. I'm assuming that was like, like middle school. And even before middle school, you started going to the courts at 10, 10, 10, old.

I mean. I was young. I was, it was, it was, it, it was really interesting because we had bikes and we couldn't ride them off the block. And then at a certain age, my mom felt comfortable and we could ride them off the block. And then I, you know, it was just, they just doled out the, um, the, you just had to earn, you had to earn the next level of responsibility. And I didn't feel like my situation with my son right now. who's 13 going on 14. They have these electric

bikes now. They're not like normal bikes that I just wish all the kids are on. They're basically motorcycles, yeah. They're basically like little motorcycles. And my son just wants to go, he just wants his independence. And I'm like your mom. I'm like, you don't leave the neighborhood.

Okay, you can go past this area. Okay, now you can go there. And I've got a little like tracking device on him. But I'm so strict. And my brother, on the other hand, has his kids, they, like, are on motorcycles, and they're, like, in West Hollywood. And I'm like, what are you doing? So I have the issue of having to deal with, like, oh, well, my cousin gets to go, you know, and I'm more like, I'm more like Mrs. Robinson, where I'm, I'm, so I can understand your mom's fear. My, my, my, my, my, my, my, my middle kiddies, it's called a Suron.

Basically, it's a, it's a, it's a dirt bike, but it's electric. Okay. And, and I, he's like, I'm going to go on a bike ride. Then he shows me video, he's in a ride out. What's that? That sounds bad. It's like, there's like a hundred different people on ATVs, motorcycles, and they just command the streets.

Oh my God. So now they're on like Venice. Yeah, one of those. And he's like, wheeling through like, support. Holvada and Wilshire. I'm like, what the fuck are you feeling, dude? I was like, you're 15. He's like, it was great.

I was on a ride out. I'm like, oh, my Lord. Okay, maybe that's even too far for me. But here's the thing, though, it's interesting. I wanted to ask this, actually, like, have you seen your children, both of you guys sort of emulate you and at the same time do some things

that they don't want to be? You know what I mean? Are they looking to mom and dad and being like, you know what, I love you guys, but I don't want to do it that way. Oh, my God. Where do we begin? I mean, yes. I mean, obviously, they grew up in a special situation, Craig. You know, you're a little bit different, but, you know, I'm sure there's moments where they're like, damn, like, you guys got to chill. I do not want to be like that as a parent. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I think as especially, you know, our daughters are 25 and 23. They are young adult women, but they definitely went through a.

period in their teen years where it was the push away, you know, we want to, you know, I mean, they're still doing that as, and you guys know this is the children of parents who are known, you know, you're trying to distinguish yourself. I mean, it is very important for my kids to feel like they've earned what they are getting in the world. And they don't want people to assume that they don't work hard, that they're just naturally just handed things. They're very sensitive to that. They want to be their own people. You know, Malia, who started in film, I mean, her first project, she took off her last name. And we were like, they're still going to know it's you, Malia. You know, but we respected the fact that, you know,

she's trying to make her way. But now as they're older, I think they are embracing our parenting principles. They, you know, they, they have a clear understanding of why we did a lot of what we did. They understand us as full human beings now in the same way that I think I discovered that about my parents, you know, when I went away to college, you know, the issues that I had that I thought they should work on. My father should have been more aggressive in dealing with his MS, and he should have done this and he should have done that. You know, I was that know-it-all kid in high school, but by the time I got to college and saw more of life, I realized, you know, parents, our parents are flawed.

There are heroes, we love them, but you start seeing them as humans and start appreciating them. I think our kids are moving into that, but they definitely, our daughters want it, they didn't want to be little princesses in the White House. They wanted to push the envelope. They needed some rope. They wanted to try some things. They wanted to be out in the world.

And I knew that under the circumstances, they needed to have more rope than I probably would have given them if I were my mother, right? And conversely, Oliver, my kids, my two older kids, when they were teenagers, Mish and Barack were in the White House. And I was coaching at Oregon State, which is in Corvallis, Oregon, which is a town of, like 20,000. Because I was the coach there, I was probably more strict because. Oh, you were strict. Craig was crazy strict. Well, I, but, but it was, you know, I'm not only raising my two kids, but I'm raising 15 other people's kids too. So, you know, if, if my kid was out, if my kids were out doing something crazy, then not only do I have to adjudicate that, then I have to also answer to the 15 kids who I'm coaching, who I was strict on too, right? So it was a little bit different

for me. And like I said earlier, you guys, when they were in the White House, I was always very careful of the image that we portrayed because I didn't want to be that brother or brother-in-law who was in the paper for doing something stupid all the time, right? So I was definitely a stricter parent. But I will tell you, my dad always said, you know, if you just parent when your kids are young, you can be friends with them later. when they're 30 years old. It's so true. And he said, if you try and be friends with them,

if I try and be friends with you young, then I got to parent you for a longer period of time. And it is really true, Kate, because our two older kids, it's like now we still, they still come to us for advice, but it's more like, I won't say colleagues, but it doesn't feel like parents. Because they're 33 and 29, and they're often on their own, doing their own thing.

and it's so nice to sort of not have to worry about them, you know? September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone?

Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might live. lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that

Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize

fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health. health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not.

Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the Kind Body story, starting September 19. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself.

My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. Onstage stood a comedian with a story. that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015,

a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder

takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrap, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Power struggles, shady money, drugs, violence, and broken promises. It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. There's no integrity.

There's no loyalty. That's all gone. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. It was a battlefield. Book, book, book, make deals. Let's get models in. Let's get them out. And the models themselves?

They carried scars that never fully healed. Till this day, honestly, if I see a measuring tape, I freak out. The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high-stakes game where survival meant more than beauty. Hosted by me, Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built on ruthless ambition. Listen to Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Isn't that such an amazing thing when your kids grow up and you're like, wait, I think I did a good job, you know? Wait a minute, they're doing really wonderful.

And my biggest thing, because Ryder is now 21, and my biggest thing, when I see him be able to be his own. own advocate and and able to resolve conflict for himself in any other situation, whether it be with his girlfriend, whether it be with a friendship, whether it be with a professor. I'm like, oh, he, I gave him, you know, there's nature, obviously, you know, which is, I think, huge. But, but, but you do, I do feel like a little bit like, I gave him some tools to be able to handle himself and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and and I don't know I I I it's it's a wonderful thing to see because you know I feel like when they get older it's that hard moment of like is their life like how how are they going to take on their life as an adult and well that's why

I think that I think that we have lost so much grit in our world you know I just I read a book on Lewis and Clark and daunted courage and just these, these men, these people who went and did these things, I mean, it was incredible what they had to go through. Our kids don't have that in it. Everything is sort of given to them. It's this coddling of America or coddling of the world. And it's hard to give them that now. You kind of have to just let them go and say, okay, you've got to go figure it out. Yes, we have tracking devices on our kids, which is sort of like, I'm kind of go in between that because I'm like, is this fucking cool? Yeah.

We're like tracking our children. Yeah. We had none of that. It was like, just go, figure it out. We had to just figure it out. Now everything is sort of right at your fingertips, you know. Well, I, Oliver, I agree. I mean, I think that that's, and I think having these conversations are important because I think

parents are confused and afraid. because we have so much information and I think that that does us in in terms of feeling comfortable letting our kids experience the world because we hear all the bad things about the world and then we think the world is really a bad place and so we have to shield our kids

and protect them and we have to advocate for them and it comes from a good place it comes from a place of real love and concern. But I'm a proponent of, you know, when we rob our kids of the ability to try and experience and make some mistakes, we rob them of the ability to build confidence and the grit that you talk about. And we do it out of love, but we do it for our own sake sometimes as parents, because we don't want to feel the pain of seeing them go through hard things because it's hard on us. Yeah, exactly.

And we've got to make sure we're not moving into fear. You know, there's love, but then there's a fine line between sort of love and fear. We cross into that fear, oh, I'm just scared something's going to happen to you. Do not go out or do this because I'm afraid, I'm afraid. When the reality is, you know, look, shit happens. Yeah. Sometimes we can't control it. But statistically, we live in a safer world than we did 30 years ago.

And no one wants to believe that statistic, you know? I mean, my husband talks about that all the time. I mean, if, you know, he makes the point that if you wanted to pick any time in human history to be born, you'd pick now, you know, the amount of war out there, famine, hunger, medicine, you know. I mean, you just go down the list of all the things. The crime rates are lower than they have been, but because we hear more about everything, no one wants to believe it, you know. I mean, people have the watch app. So, you know, on your phone, you get a ding every time somebody reports a crime, right? You know, that's just too much information.

So people think that are in very safe neighborhoods because they have Crime Watch, that their communities aren't safe. And they want to keep their kids in the backyard and have organized playdates and make everything sanitized. But, you know, what kids aren't, they aren't even getting into arguments with each other. Kids aren't even, you know, they're not allowed to do. just play in the streets and have their own arguments. That's why when Craig says that, you know, we grew up strict, I mean, no, we, you know, we went outside in the morning, especially in the summer. You went, your parents didn't know, they knew you were across the street or around the block,

but you weren't in front of the house. You were off with other kids playing and having adventures, and we both did that. Now, yeah, you had to check in, you know, because we had parents who were at home. But the truth was is that how we structured our day, as early as 10 years old, was totally on us and all the other kids in the neighborhood. We had to organize ourselves. We had to resolve battles. We had fights. We had to break things up.

The whole goal was don't get the parents involved, you know, because that meant the fun got shut down and everybody would have to go home. And now you were just stuck in the house. Our mom was home, but at a point she went to work, and we'd be at home by ourselves very early on, you know, and there was a stove, cigarettes, matches. There were, you know, I mean, you know, it's all going to be there, but kids, we have to give our kids the chance to work through and problem solve on their own, which, but that means that sometimes they're going to make a mistake. Sometimes they're going to light the match. And sometimes it's better to let them light the match and then have the conversation or have them see what happens when the match is lit because they're going to learn more from that. Craig and I grew up like that. Yeah.

Yeah, there were some expectations because Craig was older and, you know, he was a boy. But we are of the generation where our parents required us to own our lives. earlier than we are doing for our kids. And I think that made me a more competent, confident, capable young woman. You know, I was on the bus going to the, I chose a high school that was on the other side of the city because it was a magnet high school. Public school is one of the best schools in the country. I knew I wanted to go to college. I didn't want to go to the neighborhood school. And in order for me to go to the school, I had to take two city buses. I had to leave the house at 5.30 in the morning. I was commuting with adults.

But it was like a wonderful experience. And if my parents had been today's parents, which would have, well, I'll drive you or you won't go and you'll go to the school that's safer for me. There's a whole lot of learning and confidence building that I got taking Chicago public transportation every day to get to school. I would wake up at dark and get home. it dark, because that's how long it took to get to and from school. I think about whether or not I would let my kid do that now. I mean, today's parents would be worried about that, right? We're carpooling and picking up, and so now parents are tired and exhausted because they're doing a lot of extra parenting, extra physical work because we're afraid to let our kids.

kids do some of the stuff on their own, especially if they live in a big city. And we need to talk about what our kids are missing by us parenting from our own fears. And, you know, I talk about how, in my opinion, hence the name of the show, I feel like parents are trying to curate this unbelievable experience for their kids. Like, we didn't have our lives. curated for us and I'm sure you didn't when you were growing up you just like just thrown out there and you figure it out and I think these days parents are trying to to uh overcompensate for their kids by sort of making this experience for them um be the be the best and only experience possible that's a great point such a great point I mean I'm dealing with my kid and kind

and getting into college now. And I can't even believe what has to happen with, you know, hiring this person and bringing on this person. I'm like, just write an essay and do the applications. Why is this so nutty? I mean, I understand that you have to have extracurriculars and you have to, I'm like, just, what is all this? It's highly competitive.

I get it. But, you know, it just seems like a lot. It's wild. Before we could, we have limited times. So I have a couple, I have a couple questions, like in conflict, like, did you guys ever fight? Oh, yeah. Yeah. And when you did, did your parents leave it up to you guys to resolve or did they get involved?

No, Mish, Mish always won the fight because she was the youngest. She always won. And I let her win. And we all let her win. And that's how she got to be so bossy. She would, she still bossy. She's still bossy with you? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. That's why IMO is the perfect name for our podcast because it's in her opinion. No, she will tell you, we would get into an argument and she would throw things at me. She would punch me in the back for no reason. She would. And I never fought back. And I rarely raised my voice.

and I never told on her. And you were both very athletic. Yes. She was with me all the, I mean, the reason why I was a good athlete was because I had her to practice with. And when my dad would come home from work

and Mish talked a little bit about him working for the city. So he was a shift worker. So there were only like certain parts of the month where he worked days where he could come home and play with us. And she would be right out there, with us and could do anything I could do. She could do everything I could do. But we didn't fight that much. We got into fights, but we didn't fight that much. And what we fight about now as adults is like my lack of communication, right? Like, I'm a guy. She'll ask me, hey, how are the

kids doing? I'm like, fine. They're doing fine. What are they doing? They have a game tonight. That's it. And I don't, I don't elaborate unless she asks open-ended questions, right? So I, she, she, that may, that frustrates her. That frustrates my wife. That frustrates my daughter. All the women in my family are frustrated by that. But that's it. That's really the only thing that that we, we fight. I mean, but our parents did believe in staying out of it. I don't know about, about you, you, you guys, Oliver and Kate, but, you know, they, they, they, they expect. That's just like with life, you resolve it. You figure it out. Yeah. Yeah, they didn't want to hear it. If there was any ever thing going on and someone was telling on, if anyone told on anyone, we were all in trouble. That's how I do it.

That's how Malia and Sasha will tell you the same thing. You know, there are many times we heard them in their rooms in the White House because their rooms faced each other. And then there was an outer door. And you'd hear the outer door slam. And then you'd hear a lot of angry witnesses. whispering. I said, if you don't, and mom, if she hears this. And I would just think, that's exactly how I want it. You're like, this is the White House. This is the White House.

September Owls feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where, to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing

bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. artists and activists. I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a

unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older,

and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the kind body story. A podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients.

You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands. And then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. by what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, starting September 19

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and her mom is a cousin,

so, like, it's not... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reunion. nine years ago. I'd just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

The 22nd of July 2015, a 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wise Crime. Where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage. Available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Power struggles, shady money, drugs, violence, and broken promises.

It's a freaking war zone. These people are animals. There's no integrity. There's no loyalty. That's all gone. In the 1980s, modeling wasn't just a dream. was a battlefield. Book, book, book, make deals.

Let's get models in, let's get them out. And the models themselves? They carried scars that never fully healed. Till this day, honestly, if I see a measuring tape, I freak out. The Model Wars podcast peels back the glossy cover and reveals a high-stakes game where survival meant more than beauty. Hosted by me, Vanessa Grigoriatis, this is the untold story of an industry built on ruthless ambition.

Listen to Model Wars on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Stop. Because I feel like we have more, we have, we do like so much more to unpack. We can just, we can just continue the conversation. You got to dig into our lives a little bit. And where are you in the same place? Where are you all? Are you all in different?

No. I'm in D.C. And I live in Wisconsin, if you can believe that. Oh, I just played a woman from Wisconsin. I just did a full Wisconsin accent. I feel like I killed it, but you'll be the judge of that. I can't wait. Is it out yet?

No, Christmas Day. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, you'll have to wait for Christmas. And Oliver, next time I want to see you in a T-shirt. That's normally what I wear. I mean, I honestly, like I look like a slob, but I shaved. Did your hair slick back usually like that?

No. I mean, did you put gel in it, too? You're very cute, and I'm very, I'm very honored that you put on your little silk tie. I did. Well, if we see each other again, you're going to see me in my just real garb, which is pretty much just a t-shirt. Which is getting worse as he gets older. It's embarrassing. I'm changing my style.

I'm changing my style. Is this kind of funky? It's like Italian. He's leaning into our Italian heritage. It's very extreme. A lot of gold chains. Gold chains. Track suit.

You got to get the set. Like the Sergio de Kini track suit stuff. Like, yeah, of course. Of course. Thank you. Thank you guys for setting the bar for us. Thanks for letting us bite off of your show. Yes.

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, you're welcome. Craig, it's so nice to know you and to get to know you, Michelle. You're so inspiring. And we just love you, Michelle. And also, I have a Robinson in my family. So, you know, we could be related. Have you played ball with Sandler, Craig, by the way?

Have you played ball with Sandler? Sandler's a great friend of ours. And I know he just played with Barack. He just played ball with him. Yeah, Barack, they golf, but. Yeah, he just golf, he just golfed. Yeah, yeah, because Barack is retired. He's a, you know, he doesn't want to pop his Achilles.

Well, listen, I loved every second of this. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you soon. Thank you guys. Thank you guys so much. We'll talk soon. We'll set it up. See you again soon. Absolutely.

I've never been ready, more ready in my life. And I can't wait to see you guys to see what I'm going to wear. Yeah, yeah. That's going to be good. All right. Be well. See you. Bye.

All right. Later, guys. Bye. Oh, geez. She's the best. They're awesome. That was not long enough. I know. We needed like another hour.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I have so many questions. I have so many things. I know. But it's nice to have just a candid, fun conversation that's flowy. And you know what I mean? I don't think we have enough time to sort of hit all the things that we want to talk about.

Because there is so much. You know, they don't want to get into politics at all. You know what I mean? Like, boring. But I did want to talk about the hypocrisy in politics a little bit. But they're just cool. I know. It was so nice.

It was so nice to actually like, it's also like one of the things that I do love about this podcast. I love that she's doing it with Craig, with her sibling. But it's like you actually get to talk. about the things that actually formed you that are the foundation of who you become. I mean, so many people know so much about Michelle and President Obama. And, you know, she's written her memoir. She's written a memoir. She's written a book.

So there's so much about her that people do know. But when you get her and her brother together and you start talking about how they grew up together or what that experience like together. It's just a completely different feeling. It doesn't matter what the politics are. I know. You know? And I just wanted to get into, you know, the decision making behind, in her opinion, like,

my God, my life is about to change. I know it's exciting. But wow, we're here now. She's such a cool, grounded, you know, worldly, personable human. It's like, now I've got to live in this White House. Now I've got to raise our girls like this. Holy fuck. There's stress that might have been involved with all that.

I wanted to sort of get into that stuff. Yeah, but she fell in love with a politician, a career politician. Yeah, for sure. So, I mean, you kind of know, you know going into that what that is. And I think what I love about both of them, and we've had, I've had the opportunity of meeting them a couple times. But I, I, they are very great. grounded people. Their kids are great and you, you, it's like, it's like removing the politics from the person is very hard when people are in politics because they're in the position of

making decisions for your well-being, the country's well-being, you know. And so it can be, you know, you, you kind of are entering this very polarizing existence. You're going to be loved and you're going to be hated, right? And your kids know it and your wife is going to know it or vice versa, your husband, you know, if you choose to be in politics. So like when you meet certain politicians that are just very grounded and like cool

and have a very, really interesting, are very open with, you know, where they come from, what their life is like, what their life experience has been. You know, you can't help but be like that is a huge part of, trusting who you have like kind of really running things. Michelle also I really believe that no matter what anybody thinks about husband and wife, it's like any husband and wife in the world. When you

clump couples together as if they're one, it's like not everyone in the world. It's like just put yourself in that position. Like am I my partner? Am I my husband? No. I'm very different. We're very different people. And just because you're with someone and love someone doesn't mean you have differences of opinion. Doesn't mean that you agree with everything. Doesn't mean that you would lead in the same way. It does mean that you have like a mutual found respect and love and attraction and all these things that are good. But it's like there's this weird thing that happens in politics where it's like you are one. When in fact it's it's it's it's we know behind the scenes that it's very opposite. And Michelle would probably be a very different leader than

even President, you know, Obama would be. And I always wonder, like, I really do think she would be an incredible politician. Yeah. But I don't think, I'm not, I don't think she ever, would that would be ever anything that she would do. I don't know. The real headline of the interview was that twice she talked about how good looking I was. That's the true headline. You know what I mean?

I knew you were going to say that. Yeah, it was just, I think there was a moment where she was just stunned about, you know, it was like, oh my God, this guy is handsome. You know what I'm saying? Because I think I resemble Barack, like a little bit, right? I think it was more like you've never worn a suit ever. And she was probably just kind of giving you some validation as to like, you really should Clean up.

So it's charity? It was a charity. It was more like, it was more like you should maybe lean into this more because it's nice. Yeah, okay. That was awesome. I hope we get to talk to them again. Me too. Yeah.

Me too. I invited us on their podcast. So maybe. I know. Maybe we'll get lucky. All right. Well, I got a show to go. Oh, do.

Have a great set. Nah, great set. Thanks. Thanks. What a great episode. I hope everybody loves it. I know. I don't have any headlines, but it's okay.

All right, I love you. Love you, bye. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down.

with politicians, artists, and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having as father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patience. You think you're finally like in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IvyF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club?

Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app,

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