Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - First One Back... Already Crying

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

It's the first sibling catch-up episode of the season! Kate and Oliver reunite to discuss big moments from the last year, health anxiety, small talk, parenting teens, and much more.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickEdited by Josh WindischMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by:Helix (helixsleep.com/sibling)HelloFresh (hellofresh.com promo code: sibling50)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your friends. mouth Sibling Revelry That's good

Hey it's me Hi So I thought I had a heart attack last night What? I thought I was having one Wait this happened to me Remember? I was now But granted I was high

But this is about you Yeah just anything could be about you in a second But I smoked a smoke some Mary Joine Well, this is why you were having... No, no, but I never had this attack. But I've been having a little bit of anxiety lately. It's another topic of conversation. Okay.

But smoked the weed, and all of a sudden, my left arm started to hurt. Oh, no. And I was running hard yesterday. I played a lot of golf in the last few days. So it normally would have just felt like a little pinched nerve. Right. But then all of a sudden, my mind switches to, oh, my God, is this the start of something? So now I start Googling the WebMD vibes

Like what does this feel like So I went down the path And then took like half a bottle of Advil And it went away So Also your wife did just get her Calcium thing So that might have been also in the back

So she went and did all her heart stuff Yes I'm actually going today to get my calcium scan Yeah you thought you were having a heart attack too No I did I had this weird thing I woke up in the middle of the night and I felt like an overwhelming kind of it was almost like I was,

I woke up sort of shocked out of my, like deep sleep into what felt like I was about to lose consciousness. So it was like, I woke up and then I was like, oh, I'm going to faint. And then I didn't know what was going on and I felt really like kind of dizzy and weird. And I was like, oh, my gosh.

God, what's happening? And then I also had been having some anxiety, but not like this. And then so I immediately was like, Danny, you know, take me to the hospital, like right now. I don't know what's going on. And on the way to the hospital, I felt like I was going to lose consciousness. And I had this feeling like, oh, my God, I'm literally dying. I'm going to die. Jeez.

And I didn't understand. understand, but I was like, just get to the hospital, get to the hospital, get to that. And I was like, it was almost like, hold on, like inside of my own brain. I'm like, hold on. Hang on. You can make it. I can make it. Get to the hospital.

And I was like, Danny was like, what's going on? I'm like, I couldn't communicate at the time what I was feeling because I just needed to focus on staying conscious. Was it the middle of the night? I thought I was going to faint. Yeah. So I was taking these deep breaths. And I was like, I'm literally about to, like, just either, like, close my eyes and, like, that's it. Or I'm a faint.

I don't know what's going on. Scary. Really scary. I then get to the hospital and I really have to go to the bathroom. And then I'm like, and then I'm like, I got to go to the bathroom. I'm great. I was like, thanks, guys. Thanks for letting me use your toilet.

We're going to leave now. I then have to go to the restroom I then go through a series of things that was feeling really weird and then I had all this anxiety because I was like for me it was all heart our family obviously it's all heart

so we have a little bit of anxiety in any way and an aneurism because grandpa you know like I did this Instagram post a while back you know it was made a red light and I just

I had this feeling I have this feeling when you get that little pain in your head And it's like, just waiting for me to die. I'm waiting for me to die. It's going to happen. And I'm like, I'm going to pull over the side of the road so I don't kill anyone if I actually do. Oh, no.

You know, and you're like that, that sharp pain that sort of happens. I know, that we all get them. That's actually more occipital nerve stuff. But anyway, so I get to the hospital. They do a ton of tests on me. I was like, just do them. I just want to know. And then I get home and I feel fine.

And I was like, wow, that was really intense. I get home. I realize. Oh, no. This is so embarrassing, but I'm actually going to allow this to be on the show. Okay. I get home, I realize that I had taken smooth move. But instead of taking it at like 8 o'clock before you go to bed,

I took it at like 5.30. Yeah. And it takes like a good 10 hours for it to... Is that a tea? It's a tea that has Senna in it. It has just... You know, it has this thing in it that helps you kind of regulate and go to the bathroom. And I take it every once in a while.

I'm like, it's great. I love it. Who doesn't love smooth move? It was just not so smooth. So what happened, then I looked it up. And then Danny, of course, being Mr. Research, is like, did you take anything? And at the time, I was like, I don't know, no, no. And then I was like, oh, no, I did.

I was just at the hospital. We just went through like all of these different doctors being like, what else did? Did you take? I was like, nothing. I get home. I'm like, oh, no, I took smooth move. And it has Senna in it, which if you haven't eaten a lot in that day, which I ended up not eating that much that night because I was, it was late. And I was like, I don't want to eat too much too late because I can't sleep well.

So I had not eaten. I had the Senna. And then I took like all these gummy vitamins before I went like, I took like a, I took like a, like Omega, you know. know like a couple like an hour before so i just had this crazy weird it's like a vitamin reaction yeah and i thought yeah it's dying no i really needed to go to the bathroom that was it so i wonder if hypochondria runs in the fan i mean i mean if there's a genetic if there's a genetic component i mean even ronnie has like she's like mom there's something wrong with my little middle toe no i know same with wilder yeah you know same with not real but maybe

Bodie a little bit, you know, but is it, does it run in the family? Is it a learned behavior or is it some genetic component? I don't have the answer to this. But I'm wondering. But I would, my gut is that is learned behavior. I think so. And that, and that there are, some kids have a little obviously more like anxiety or fear than others. Health anxiety. I was talking to someone about their kids and they're both doctors. And the mother has a great way of dealing with their kids. children's ailments. She does this thing where she decided the narrative around it was, I know, you know, we sometimes our tummy hurts and it's just a feeling and then it goes away.

So instead of it being like something's going to make it feel better, it's like understanding that our body goes through different cycles and things sometimes ache and we have pains and that they're normal. There doesn't mean that something's wrong with you. And I was like, oh, see, I never did that with my kids. It was always like if they feel sick, I want to make it better. We're going to do this. It's going to make it better.

And it's like I never like assured them that they were fine. Yeah. You know, this is normal. You're just feeling something. Yeah. And then that feeling will go away. And I was like, oh, that's so good because then you're teaching their brain that these things happen versus I starting to think that like something's dying. It's funny you say that because I tell them that but completely selfishly.

I tell them that everything's going to be okay for my own anxiety. It's true. I'm like, oh, dude, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine, you know. Your stomach hurts super cramped up. Like, it's fine. It's just pood. But really, I'm telling myself that because the way I react to my kids when they have an ailment, I have a bit of a panic mode. Yeah.

And I almost get angry or want it to be okay so badly that sometimes I get upset at them. Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm like, you're fine. I mean, I'm like, oh, my God, is you fine? Is you fine? I don't know. Yeah.

You know. Yeah. No, I know exactly. I, I, I, I, I, I'm the same. It's, it's like having. It triggers your anxiety. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like someone who has the worst gag reflex of all time. Like my, like me.

Yeah, like you. Like I have anxiety reflex like beyond anything. Yeah. If I feel any little ailment immediately, the adrenaline opens up. I'm just like, I'm just like, this, this could. I mean, immediately, and it scares me.

I know, but these are, hold on, it scares me because I worry about what would happen if something really was to go down that I had to sort of protect my family or, or be in the moment and actually get through it. Or if I was alone in the woods, would I just be like, yeah, just die? Well, the, I think about these. I think I'm a man. I think, well, being a man is nothing to do with it. I feel like I have that.

But being manly has nothing to do with it. I think the strength of think about people who've lost children, it's the most devastating. You don't want to think about those things. But unfortunately, these tragedies happen to many. I think about the people who have their strength and people that I know who've lost children. I mean, I was reading this article the other day, I'll send it to you. this writer he wrote about he lost both of his children in a car accident and he wrote about it i think i think you did send this i sent this i read this yeah and i've been sending you things that

make you cry lately no i know i was on vacation on spring break it's beautiful out tropical kate sends me this thing that was just so tragic i'm like what do you doing like this is awful but it wasn't awful it was actually beautiful because it was like my point is this that people either are feeling things that are so immense they're having so much anxiety

they're having so much deep depression that they don't know who to reach out to or what their support system is then you have people who've experienced tragedies like what we're talking about and are actually living what your worst nightmare would be

and is their worst nightmare and they're learning how to survive. Yeah. It's unfortunate, but so many people have experienced tragedy. So there's this large support group of people who've been through it. And the one thing that this guy said, who lost both of his children, he's a writer. He writes on a big show.

I forget what show it is. But he basically woke up. They were driving the whole family in the car. They got sideswiped. next thing they know they woke up in a hospital one child's gone and they are now leaving one hospital because their other child was not doing well

at another hospital and within hours they had lost both of their children husband and wife they survived couldn't be a more tragic story but he talks about like refinding the joy in life

and how hard that concept is and and and he's so eloquent about how right now I'm going to be envious I'm going to be jealous of what you have and I'm going to have to go through all this grief but like I need you first one back first one back already crying but but he's so eloquent in the way that he communicates yeah how he needs to deal with tragedy and I think when you love so huge. You're just at risk of loss. You are. And so you feel everything so huge.

You don't want to lose everything. But we do have to come to a place where we, whether it be through spiritual practice or religion or even just like a sense of acceptance or stoicism of recognizing that we are not here forever. You know, I think that. we have to find that place where we have to accept that we don't know what the next tomorrow is. And so instead of living with all of the anxiety or living with all of the fear, like when those things start to happen, like really searching for gratitude now, so that if the time ever comes where we all, and look, we will deal with tragedy. Like, you know, we're in this pocket right now where we still have our parents.

Well, this is what's scary to me. It's like everything is so good. Yeah, but it would still be good. Of course, and you're just sort of waiting for the shoe to drop, and you're like, what the fuck, something bad has to happen. Everything is too perfect. Right, but I think, I think. But Ellie, our therapist would say, so what?

So what? It just, so it is. The shoe will drop. There will be a shoe and it will drop. And, you know, and honestly, I mean, this sounds morbid, but the hope is that it happens in the right time. Right. We're lucky.

Yes. And that we're lucky or blessed to have these things happen as they're supposed to. Right. Not out of something that feels very tragic. But look, we've seen our friends go through it. We've seen people that we admire go through it and you get through it. And life just goes on. So it really does, again, become about how we manage in the moment.

And that's all you can do. And really, I mean, if you can truly eliminate the fear of death, that's it. Life just way opens up. Oh, my God, imagine not being afraid of you dying, of anyone around you dying, because it just is what it is. And, of course, it's tragic, but imagine she's not caring. I sleep so much better, although I do. Oh, that would be incredible. Oliver!

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season we actually this is this is the second episode but we've already recorded all of right the season right but we're doing this right retrospectively right is that a Danny Is that a right way to use that word? A lot has happened in the year. You know, we haven't even had it. You and I haven't sat down and talked to each other in a while. We haven't? No.

Not via podcast. I don't, I haven't. You don't remember? I don't remember. I know we really haven't. We haven't like sat down and really even. gone over anything no i know have you been fine great moving on oliver oliver we haven't even talked about like rider in college rider in college we haven't talked about we haven't talked about

you know wilder's first girlfriend oh my god he's got a girlfriend real deal girl friend i know there's all kinds of stuff we haven't talked about your album i know well we'll get to that we'll get to that let me just sing a song from your album go for it try it oh god i can't but there was one that kept popping into my head good sign no i know i'm trying to remember what it was but i would wake up sort of singing it it was in my head yes i don't have it in my head i can't remember if it pops into my head was it a faster uptempo song yeah kind of up it was it a slow song it was more of an uptempo it was more of an uptempo I know what song It was driving

It was good I know what song it is It's What? I'm not gonna say it out loud But I know what song it is Yeah So there's a lot

There's so much going on There's so much going on And yet that's what happens in life Right You've all this stuff that's going on And then it's like It just feels like When everyone was like

How you doing? You're like great What's going on? You're like I mean Well first of I can't. A small talk to me is like the worst. Same thing. Everything. Everything. I know. How are you? Good. How are you? Great. Same thing. Same thing. Same thing. Cool. Cool. I mean, if someone asked you, how are you in passing and you really unloaded on them on how you really felt. Well, I decided to do that recently. Being like, I'm okay. I just things are a little weird for me. I can't get a job. And they're like, I'm just, I'm going to go. But if you actually start doing that with people, you realize who.

who's, like, really cool and really has no interest in you or your life or really talking to you, that you don't really want, like, to connect. I started doing that. I was sitting with, at one of these events, I was sitting with an actor who, I didn't really know, but I knew him through other friends and we were sitting at this table together. And he goes, how are you? I said, great, actually. And I just started going into my record and I've been doing this.

And he got so excited And we started talking about, you know, a thousand different things. The conversation went into stuff and kids. And he's like, I got three kids. I'm like, are they musical? Like, actually? We just, like, it went from.

That's great. It's like, oh, this guy's great. But that's because it was positive. What if someone said, how are you? And I'm like, not that great. I have gout. And, you know, I'm on medication for this foot fungus. Well, if they're cool, then it would be someone who would be like,

You know, that's, I know this guy who can help you with your gal. I was going to try that from now. And how, like, how are you doing? Like, not good. Just like, I'm not really, really not that good. You know, thanks for asking. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny.

Mm-hmm. That's so great. That was, like, another actor that I saw one time who, a long time ago, like, I remember saying, like, hey, I haven't seen you for a while. How are you? He was like, it's been really rough. And he was, like, dressed up in this weird costume because he's a comedian and he was, like, dressed up as a different person. So, and he was like...

Not in your normal everyday life. Like, it was an event of some kind of... No, it was an event, but he was dressed up as someone else. So he looked insane. Okay. And I was like, how are you? And he's like, it's been really rough. I kind of took some time.

And I've been up in the mountains, you know, like, trying to figure out, like, what's going on my life. And I was like, I was like, it made me love him even more because he got really vulnerable, but he looked so silly. Yeah. So I was like, oh, this guy's the best. No, I know. He got to party, and he's, like, so down and, like, dressed in some crazy outfit. I think he was, like, half naked in some, like, net outfit, too.

Like, he looked. Speaking of Ryder really quickly, though, because he has gone away, Are you just completely, do you still think about him every day? Every day. You do? Every day. And do you wonder what he's doing? Do you picture him sort of like in his dorm room or at a bar or whatever?

Is it sort of out of sight, out of mind in any way? No, but we pretty much talk every day. You do? Yeah. I mean, he face-ta, he's a mama's boy. You know, he FaceTimes me. He facetimes me today. He's like, Mom, oh, my God.

So I started playing Octopus's Garden on the guitar. and he's like walking you know and I was like honey that's great I'm like I have a I have to get off because I got to do this piano thing and then I and he was like oh okay I find I was like well honey I got things I got to do I can call you later you know and he's like okay fine right and so like he's he's like still very connected yeah and do you worry about his safety No, not in New York

You don't No I actually think I'd worry more about his safety If he was at a school Where he was in the car all the time Or Where there was a lot of like weather That he had to deal

You know what I mean I'd be more concerned about Weather I mean like tornadoes and stuff Yeah or like blizzards and things Where you know They had to get from A to Z And rider You know I wouldn't worry

I think every kid is different Like rider I'd worry about in that Whereas Bing I'd probably wouldn't. Right. Rider, I love that he's like in the city, he walks everywhere. Simple, yeah. It's just, you know, they take, they either take the subway or they are in a, you know, they walk like 40 blocks.

He probably makes decent choices, too. Oh, yeah, he's not like a big, I'm not worried about it. No, no, no, I'm not worried about him. If anything, I'm more worried about him, like, like, staying home and like wanting, he's a home body, you know, like, go out. But no, but he's great And he doesn't do like silly party He doesn't go to like silly stupid parties

He's not into like The New York thing makes total sense Because I went to Boulder And there was a million things to be afraid of I told Ryder if he Because he was like I'm gonna go to Boulder I'm like if I won't pay for your college I don't remember

I was like no Well if you can figure out how to pay To go to Boulder Yeah It's probably a smart play Because I went to Boulder And you know It was there was a lot to be afraid of

meaning people driving, just that college experience of just dummies. I know. And also, we lost somebody. We lost a camp, a girl that we went to camp with, was killed. She was car surfing. Yeah. I mean, literally on the top of a car going down a mountain, standing on the roof of a car, you know.

It's so sad. You know, but it's, I mean, that's my biggest fear is that, you know, when you're young, sometimes you do stuff just because Everybody else is doing it, and it feels fun and funny at the time, and the next thing you know is just, it's like a nightmare, you know? I'm always like with the kids, I'm like, just don't do stupid stuff. Well, just don't be stupid, but I don't, when do these kids start understanding what's stupid and what's not nice? I use this as a segue to talk about Wilder because he's in this moment right now of teenager where our relationship is definitely shifted. Not that he doesn't love me, I get it.

there are so many different sort of Instagram accounts and things that I read that are so in line with what I'm feeling with who teenagers are where you feel like they've completely disappeared they don't give a shit about you anymore they don't tell you the things they used to tell you they're not as cuddly with you

and you just feel like you don't exist and they only come to you when they want things you know blah blah blah there's the moments of where it's like connected and all that but I'm in that phase right now And even though cerebrally I know what's going on, it's hard to stop my emotions from being like, like, you need to talk to me.

Like, you need to tell. No, no, no. It's crazy what's happening. Kids can sniff all of that in their parents. Oh, no, I know. You got to do the other, you got to do it I do. You got to do reverse psychology. I don't think writer was.

I don't. I try not to. You got to pretend like you don't care. That's what I did. As long as you. Bodie's different. I think Rio's going to be had. This is a, a special.

specific wilder moving into teenager stuff where he's always like you don't even know me anymore I'm like what are you talking about and he's poking me he knows how to he knows how to get my goat because he knows he's joking but he says it in and away just think about you oh my god it's so me think about you I say that to Aaron I'm like you don't even love me I mean literally say that to Aaron like you don't even love me it's like I remember when you were 15 years old Oliver remember when you punched a hole in your room oh my god yeah oh my god i remember i remember feeling like not like i wasn't like sad for you or scared it was almost like wow like all these you're like i almost was like this is ridiculous like you were so you were so moody i was angry i was embarrassed

so angry mom embarrassed me in front of rebecca ashby you pulled up in her rabbit in her cabriolet the top was down she was gonna be great I was gonna get in the car we were gonna go park yeah and mom's like

where are you going she had no idea I'm like mom's like you can't get in a car with this person I don't know she was completely correct and I was like

mom I'm like and I was like sorry Rebecca like I can't go and I was just devastated and I went and destroyed my room yeah you destroyed your room you punched a hole in the wall and you probably said you don't even know who I am anymore oh my god I'm sure I mean oh it's so cute

though I feel like you know what you should say is you should say you know what wilder you might be right I do I'm like you're and then just walk away I was like I know you better than you're yourself god damn it and then walk away and say when you're ready to talk we're gonna talk and his love language to me is fighting like he just kicks and punches me just kickboxing on me yeah but like not hard just like can't can't can't can't Oh, that's how he's trying to... Yeah, and I'm like, get away from me. Just like, hug me.

I'm like, I don't want your bony elbows in... You're like, oh, Oliver, this is so... I was like, just love me. I'm like, I tell him, like, will you just like hug me for just once? Just, like, love me. What? Well, that's cute. I do.

I mean... Yeah, that's cute. It's all in fun, meaning, like, it's not serious. But at the same time, there's a part of it that is, like, just devastating. I know, but it'll change. It's like a, this is a pocket. It is. Yeah, because like once they're 17, once they know college is coming, like 17, they start

to get that little bit of anxiety. Yeah. He's going to start, like, you'll feel him like leaning on you more. Yeah, yeah. You'll get like the hugling. Oh, God, that'd be great. Yeah. Because he realizes like he's going to be gone.

Yeah. It's like, you know. Unless I don't. I also think, though, that these are important individuations. They are. So you almost want to lean into that. maybe too which is like you know what it's good for you to individuate 100% you know and if you want me to get to know who you're becoming i want to know so just come let me know let me in i say that

i'm like well then tell me tell me tell me who tell me who tell me who you love to know right i want to know and and um in the meantime i'm going to go yeah hang with your brother and your that's what i do Part of what I'm expressing is sort of how I feel on the inside and what I talk to Aaron about. And then there's those little snaps of like, like, come on, dude, just please love me. But for the most part, it is that. It is me just saying, okay.

And I always make a point to at least tell him how much I love him without needing anything back. And I think that's important, meaning I'll pop into his room and say, love you, boy, blah, blah, bye. I'm like, bye, you know. Why don't you treat him? Car rides are just completely silent. I'm like, um,

I get like nervous It's like a first date You know It's like it's like having a bad First Blind date Where I'm just Sitting there in the car Out of school

And he's just quiet And I'm like So how are things And he's like good And I'm like so Pearl He's a girlfriend You know Things going good

And he's like Yeah I don't know what else to say I'm like So I guess we'll get you Into some kickboxing classes He's like Yeah dad

like I've asked like a couple times I'm like okay and then I finally drop them off I'm like I love you and he's like love you and I'm like Jesus immediately turn on stern I'm like no wonder you feel like you're having

heart attack I know I mean I think that's part of it this is totally part of it you're losing your child you're like I'm dying I'm dying but it is it is really

honestly though it is really amazing to watch him with someone who he really, really likes a lot. His first girlfriend, it's very real, you know, when we're on vacation, he's about buying stuff for her, finding things for her, wanting to give her things, always wanting to be with her 24-7, he's always into his phone, she is amazing, it's just this really cool. That's cute, I know. It's cool to watch your child find love for somebody else. And how they want to show their loves.

Yeah. That's what I love. Like, I love seeing Ryder have those moments with his girlfriend where I can see who he is as a boyfriend. Yes. And then I'm like so proud. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I'm so happy that he's such a good boyfriend. That's when the true kid comes out.

And when she's over at our house and I'm in the room, it's wilder as I know him. because he's not performing, you know, for me. Yeah, yeah. He's just with her and not wanting to look bad in a sense, you know, not wanting to seem like he's this way with his father. You can see how he is with her. Yeah. And what a great boyfriend he is.

And then her parents are like, your son is incredible. They went to Mammoth together. And he's like, all of our bags were at the bottom of the stairs. He took every bag upstairs to the room. So I'm like, what? He did what? That kid literally eats cereal and just leaves it. I'm like, but you're saying, what are you doing?

Oh, that's so cute. Does everything. He goes, he's so talkative. He's so open. He's this. And then I'm like, wow. I mean, I love that. Yeah.

Because that is a reflection upon us. Yeah, of course. As parents. Of course. Well, it means that like no matter what he, how he's, how he's experiencing his relationship to you guys and his own personal individuation from. being like his father's son to his own man, right? Like this is, these are important moments for kids,

especially when it comes to identity stuff, father, son, mother daughter. Yes. Aaron's kind of experiencing the same thing. He doesn't do it with Aaron, too. He doesn't. No, a little bit, but it's funny because he goes to her a little bit more

than he does to me, which is odd, which is just a bit of a switch. You know, and I mean, he confides in her a little bit more, I think because he has this person who he really likes a lot, if not maybe falling in love with the young love or whatever, he can relate to Aaron because of that, the way he's feeling about a female. And now he can go to Aaron and say,

what do you think Pearl would like? What do you think this? I'm doing this. Is it okay if I do this? He doesn't do that with me, what he normally would. Oh, it's so wild, isn't it? Ryder with his girlfriend this, this, this summer is like, you know, how do you feel about, you know,

my GF coming on, uh, to, you know, on our trip? And I'm like, great. And then I was like, well, actually, Danny and I are going to do an adult trip to this place. And he's like, am I considered an adult? I'm like, yes, right. You are. Yeah. He's like, can we come? I'm like, yeah, that'll be fun. I'm like, oh my God, it'll be me and Ryder. And he's. fun girlfriend and danny and well it's such a fun it's so different it's so different and now i mean look he's like you know he's getting his own apartment he's like moving out of his dorm he's oh he's like a man yeah it's so crazy it's so weird and you have to go through all those steps to get to that place and then it i think it changes and and the next one will be different bodee will be

different bing will be different real will be different ronnie will be different oh like makes my like me all fuzzy inside thinking about our kids what's Ronnie at 15 well if it's anything like right now like really challenging oh my God I mean she is so funny I mean Ronnie

she's also the most loving and she's very attached so right now it's all like mommy are you wearing the sweater the sweater with buttons or no buttons and I'll be like with buttons and so she has to get

the sweater with buttons. Are you wearing your hair in a bun or are you going to wear her in a ponytail? I'm going to wearing a bus. She used to wear her hair in a bun. Yeah, but it's also like after a while you're like, honey, do your own goddamn thing, honey? I want you to express yourself the way you want to look, you know, but it's very much like if we're not wearing the same thing and then

if she doesn't have, she didn't have like a black I was wearing a black dress one day, she didn't have a black dress and she just lost Like wouldn't what didn't want to go out It was like a whole And I was It's like you We were at a ski trip

When Kate was like a little baby She didn't go Not a baby baby But she didn't go out under the snow Because she didn't like the color white Like she literally stayed No No

That's what you said Yes but it was because I didn't want to get I didn't want to wear pants Well that was Yeah So we had to get the snow suit on Right you wanted to wear like a snow G string I wanted to wear a

dress right i wanted to wear a dress and because we were in like sundance or i had to put on a snowsuit and so i said i'm not going outside i just don't like white you don't like the color i don't like the color white wouldn't go out of the house because you didn't like the color white it was my only way and a lot like because mom knew she knew my secret she knew i didn't want to ever wear pants right didn't want to wear pants oh so funny for like for like almost two years i wouldn't put pants no i know i would like rather yeah freeze to death you would just go ski in like a miniskirt oh it's so funny but that yeah yeah do you remember that trip because you were really little i do remember i only remember you know what i remember from that trip was some

room with a bunch of ball a ball pit yeah ball pit what was that just crazy ball pit yeah that's all i remember It was inside the house. Inside the house. Why was there a ball pit inside the house? I don't know. I think it was in the pool. I think the balls were on top of a pool. No, no, no.

It was just, I bet it was like a party house. Oh, probably. And we just don't really remember. We were a little, I'm sure they, I'm sure. Wasn't mom single? And mom was single. Yeah, yeah. It was the 80s.

They were all going crazy. And we were like in the ball pit. Mom? And they're like, huh? They're like, just go in the ball pit. mother that's when i fell off a chairlift for the first time and i still remember it oh i was thinking about that the other day when we were on a chairlift you and i together and remember we were thinking about the high alpine chairlift in cholera and aspen

and how we used to go up there and there was like no nothing on it there was no bar at the time yeah it was like hanging from like oh it's crazy no i know i would never let my kids do that. Like, I think about, like, if that was the way that chairlifts were now, I would never want my kids to ski. My problem is, is with the boys all go skiing now on their own, boating, with their friends, and they don't put the bar down because they think it's, like, cool. And I'm like, put the bar down.

What's the difference? Yeah. And they don't think it's cool. So they'd, like, leave it up. We kind of did that, too, though, remember? I don't like it now. When they first started the bar, we didn't. put the bar down because we were cool.

Whenever I go on a lift with other people, I get insecure about wanting to put the bar down because I don't want them to think I'm like scared. So I'm like, we get like halfway up. I'm like, this is he wants to the bar? Put it down. Like, coming down?

They'll just like say it. Try to say it with authority. Like, coming down. Oh, that's so funny. I don't have any of those issues. Now I do. It's weird. And what is that?

Why do you not have the fear when you're younger, but you do have the fear when you're older? There's more at stake. Falling off the lift and dying, there's more you're leaving behind, I guess. Yeah, that's right. My problem is if I don't put the bar down, I have this equal fear that I'm going to fall

and then on the other side that I'm going to jump. Like I get this weird feeling like, I'm going to go. Why did I have that feeling? That's so weird. It's this weird sense of like, See, I do things like every time I'm on it, I'm like, so if this falls, if the bar's down and we're falling, what do I do? Do I?

You mean the whole thing comes off the cable? Yeah. Oh, you're dead anyway. You're going to break something. I mean, depending on how you are. Not if you can figure out from the time you fall, the time you hit the ground. however your reflexes are. No one can be that fast.

Well, maybe you could. Because jumping, like, think about how long in your brain it is when you jump. If you had to jump from there to there, that would take a long time. But what would you do if the bar was up or down? Exactly. That's what I think about. No, the thing is, it's all about the bar. You have to figure out how to get the bar up fast. But if you hit the ground, whether the bar is down or up, you're still going to splat.

well no you have to like you have to like roll into it what are you talking about but you know I just skied in snowbird and we heard this story which I think has made the boys put the bar down so recently this this happened a tree fell and hit the cable and the guy didn't have a bar down and it catapulted it was going and everyone else who had bars down just got like they hit the bar and they were still in their thing but the guy who got catapulted out of the whole thing

and then put the ground and died. Oh, no. Mm-hmm. And did you ever see that video in Russia? No, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no. The chairlift gets going backwards, going like a thousand miles an hour. That was so crazy.

It's crazy, dude. How did that even happen? I don't know. It's just malfunctioned and kept going back like a thousand miles an hour. People are flying off that thing. It was all that they're stacking up. Stacking I would have literally jumped That's what I'm saying

People were I think about this You're like okay what do you do You have to jump Yeah If the chair lifts started to go backwards Like really fast like that But I was near the top

I would the bar would be down You got your place You put your feet on I would keep my skis on Hang off the bar Oh that's good Going toward going in the same direction Find the right place

And then drop And then it's like you have momentum going down You've got to watch your That's a great idea Yeah, that's what I would do. And then we got to go soon, but I'm going to leave you with this. Oh, yeah, I got to go because I have to take, I got to get a... Yeah, I got to go too.

But there's also stuff that this season, like big sky, some other places where the wind is blowing, so hard. I know. And these people are on these chair lifts, and it's like insane. Really? Wow. Why didn't they close the chairlift? These little squalls come up, or these 100 mile an hour winds are blowing, and people are just, they must be, freaking out. Oh my God.

I never go skiing again. Yeah. It was freaking out. I wouldn't go skiing again unless it was like the most perfect. I'd have to have a snow cat. Take you up the hill. So this is my personal snow cat. It's called Katie Cat. Bring in the Katie Cat. Well listen. I'm excited for this season.

Me too. I loved starting with the bushes. That was really fun. Yeah. They're so personable. We've got a lot of good stuff happening. And I feel like this was a really good catch-up session. It was great. It was fun. And we'll do another one.

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