Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Glen and Leslie Powell

Episode Date: October 1, 2020

Kate and Oliver are joined by actor Glen Powell and his sister, musician Leslie Powell. They talk about growing up in Texas, their pet monkey Charlie, what it was like when they moved out to LA, their support for each other, and more. You might leave this episode wanting to be a Powell sibling.Executive Producers: Kate Hudson and Oliver HudsonProduced by Allison BresnickMusic by Mark HudsonThis show is powered by Simplecast.This episode is sponsored by Helix and DoorDash (promo code SIBLING)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling

Revelry That's good Okay, let's talk about this Actually, you know what's so fun Is that I know what's fun I know what's, no, I'm going to say what's fun No

I know what's fun No, no I am so much more fun Okay Go So no listen And how funny is it that we had this kind of queued up for now? We've been holding off on this one because, so we interviewed Glenn and Leslie Powell.

We've been holding off on it because we really wanted it to come out when Top Gun came out. And the reason why we're now putting it forward is because... I went to the danger zone. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, see, I go right to the other song, which is... Take my breath away. Berlin. That's the first time I saw a tongue go into a mouth in that silhouette shot of Cruz and McGillis.

I was like, oh, my God, his tongue just went into her mouth. She was so hot with her, like, aviators on and her curse. early hair. Yes. It's still my favorite look. That was a hot scene. No, we just... That blue light sex scene.

Oh, what a movie. Anyway, we wanted to hold off because I'm excited for Glenn and it's like a dream come true for him and also I just happen to know that the movie's awesome and that he is just stand out and so I really wanted to wait, but they pushed it to next June, which I get because that is going to be a theater experience. And I'm so glad they're doing that because I want to be in the theater watching that myself. But you've got to get to the good part. The good part is that, first of all, we've known Glenn for a long time.

I'm trying to get there. I was giving props. We were just with him. We were with them. We were with them. We were with them for a week straight and it had so much fun. It was so fun. So the fun part is that we were all in Colorado and you guys were doing a lot of mountain biking.

Yeah, he ate shit. And I just want to say that, that. The whole Powell family is one to envy. They are so amazing. If you see their Instagram accounts, there's so much love and support for each other. And it's just a beautiful family unit. Makes you happy.

It makes you happy. They make you happy. Leslie and Glenn's relationship is just a beautiful one. She's amazing. She's so talented too. She's got a beautiful voice. Incredible voice, yeah. Anyway, Glenn, so Glenn was here.

in Colorado. We had the best time with him. He was over at the ranch. We had bonfires. We cooked food. We drank good wine. We had some tequila. And I took him out on some of my mountain biking adventures. And we're all deciding that we should probably live on a, on like a commune style. Yes. You know, vibe. And there are, there are many pictures and videos that I would love to post on Instagram of Glenn on a mountain bike and on a dirt bike, but he will not let me because he's concerned that his image will be really, and I'm going to abide by this because I agree with him. So you will not be seeing these videos, but they're hilarious.

Okay, I just want to say, this is such a sweet, great episode. I hope you guys enjoy it. Here is Glenn and Leslie Powell. Kate came up with the idea that we start from the beginning, which is a really novel idea. But I liked it a lot. So we want to get an idea of where you came from. Like where you grew up.

that kind of thing. How many brothers and sisters? How many brothers and sisters? You know. Give us the whole like dogs, monkeys. When you were conceived, how you were conceived. Let's start with local. Glenn was conceived orally.

I really beat the odds. I have always tried harder than anyone else. That's amazing what I can do. Do not tell me the odds. So let's start with where you're from. We're from Austin, Texas. And my, but my dad grew up in New Jersey and Maine. So we have, we think of him as an honorary Texan, though.

He's a Yankee, but he's really not a Yankee at heart. And then my mom grew up in Dallas. So we spent our entire lives in Austin. And then going back and forth, our aunt had this crazy ranch in East Texas. And so we basically spent all of our summers playing with, like, our cousins and everyone. We would never do, we would never, like, go to camp. We always, like, brought camp to us. How many?

How many of them? There were 13 of us. Oh, wow. And, like, there were no filters ever. Great. But cousins would say whatever they wanted. I mean, you guys, all the boys like tormented us. It was phenomenal.

Okay, so you would spend all your summers on a big ranch. The freedom of being. able to like were your parents cool with that like did they let you guys just run and roam around or were they a little more i think i think the big thing is it came from my so my grandfather my mom's side of the family is like a bunch of rowdy texans so my grandfather was a surgeon my grandmother like ran dallas community college like system and they had uh was it five six brothers and sisters yeah there were six six six them and they were just wild and they were all in Dallas

and I had this big plot of land like right in the middle of Dallas and they had horses and animals and my grandfather had a monkey in his surgery practice right? And so it first started out is when we were young

and kind of growing up we kind of always wanted like we had like sugar gliders and we had you know first to start off and just like normal pets like gerbils and you know and like dogs and stuff like that

and somebody's like I caught a possum like let's make it our pet and then somebody's like I caught a raccoon like let's make it our pet And then all of a sudden, we started like when Gdad died, we got a monkey in his honor. We didn't name him William because that's a weird thing to name a monkey, but we did name him Charlie. And Charlie sort of became part of the family. And then I think they saw the effect of like taking care of Charlie sort of instilled caregiving aspects into the family.

So like every summer we started getting a new animal that would be like a timeshare animal. So you'd basically, because we have such a big family, Charlie would stay with, you know, this family. Because it's like a baby. You have to change his diaper and everything you stay. I mean, like, he's a full-time. Yeah. Stay with every family.

And then there was like an alpaca and a Kuwaitamundi, which was like a South American anteater. Glenn's like, and then one year we got a white rhino. We got a white rhino. I'm like, there's literally one of those left. I'm like, and it's at the ranch. And he lives the best life. and people think dinosaurs are

Is Charlie still, he's still alive, right? Charlie. Actually, Leslie and Charlie, what? You don't want to talk about it? Charlie, I don't really get all. You don't? Guys, it's a really sore subject because he likes all the boys

and he doesn't like me. Oh, no. Really? Yeah, my feelings are really hurt. Okay, but so why do you think he doesn't like you? Guys, I don't know. I've been trying to figure this out for nine years now.

Does it hurt your feelings at all? Yeah. What did I do? What did I ever do to make a monkey not like me? So what do you do you try to engage with him and connect? I gave it a shot for a long time. This is their other sibling we're talking about. Charlie the monkey, by the way.

I gave it a shot for a long time. I don't really engage with him anymore. Oh, wow. So you've gone, it's kind of like, you know what we should do, conscious uncompouring? This really is like the other sibling. The next time you guys come on, it's just Leslie and we'll bring them Charlie and the monkey. And we can have them do a therapy session.

Yeah, we like it. Yeah, well, they can do a therapy session. Yeah, maybe we could hash out. Charlie throws poop at Leslie and then apologizes. We could get a professional animal, like an animal psychic. Mm-hmm. So actually, oh my God, this is an amazing. It's an animal psychic, a real, I mean. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

What if after this, like, you and Charlie have like the greatest relationship? He was since the podcast, he's like, I had annoyed. Charlie barricaded Leslie in the bathroom one time. Literally chased her into the bathroom and she was locked it. How long were you in there for? Good 40 minutes. No way. But like he banged on the door just to make sure I knew not to come out of there.

About every five minutes. No way. Guys, Charlie wins in the house. So, okay, so Charlie lives in the family house, basically. In East Texas. Right, and that's where everybody goes. That's a big rant. Wait, first of all, how many siblings do you guys have?

So we have one other sister. Okay. So, and that's our older sister, Lauren. Okay. Who just had a niece and nephew, or our niece and nephew, she had her son and daughter, two twins. They're so fun. She's, like, the best mom ever. Really?

Yes, it's so cute. My sister is, like, she's fierce, and she, like, won't take shit from anyone. And when she had her babies, she just turned into this, like, maternal. She's always been incredible, but, like, this maternal instinct came out. How old is she? Why did you ask that so slowly? No, I don't know. She's been around for 347 years.

She's three years old and then Glenn. Yeah, so 33. Oh, so you're all like three and a half years apart. And are you guys, are you guys all close? Yeah, everybody's very close. Who's the closest in siblings? I don't know about you, but I feel like growing up that the alliance has shifted. Like I was like hanging out with, Leslie and I were always sort of, she was always like my mini-me.

Like we always did a lot of the same activities to get like. I played violin. I did, like, musical theater. And then you play, yeah, and then we did that. And then the sports that I played, like, she would play. And, like, I played saxophone. You played saxophone. But you and Lauren were really close growing up.

Exactly. And so you were left out a little bit. Kind of left out? Nobody was ever really left out. Like, but y'all, like, did things together. When I was too young to go with the big kids. Right. They would all go do their stuff and then come back.

But then we got to the age where, like, when we could all do stuff together, we all did stuff together. So you guys are perfect. It's basically... No, I was like, I would see. Basically, you guys, like, all loved each other. And, no, okay, so you... So, then how old were you when you felt like you guys started to...

I think when Lauren went to college is when I was like, oh, my gosh, she's gone. Like, once she was gone, I was... It made me so sad. But then, like, before that, like, they would always be together. And then... So I think when she went to college was a big change for me. there's also a period of time like I don't know like when you're a like 14 or 15 as a guy you're sort of like you're sort of like wanted to break the rules a little bit more and my

older sister was always more of the rebel like by far she was she was like she like acted bad and got sent to private school and and so so like but I would always like to break the rules I would go hang out with my buddy who went to a different high school and I would go hang out with my older sister so that was sort of like a alliance where it's like yo don't tell mom a dad like we're gonna go hang out um and that was sort of the thing and leslie by far is the the most golden child of the crew like in terms of niceness to people it goes Lauren me and then Leslie's like by far the nicest okay the babies the babies you are no it's true it's like you've always been I feel like we had to like you know be the lead blocker you know for you we made all

the mistakes and then you just came in and just this is actually really true you guys I didn't make as many mistakes because I watched what they did I was like, I do not want to do that. But then there were also some things that I was like, I did everything. Like, I basically, people did call me Glenn's mini me forever. Because you just copied everything that he did. Or you wanted to, you know, she was short and had alopecia. Okay, so this is interesting because I, we're opposite, right?

So you and I are similar. We're middle children and we only have siblings of the opposite. sex. And I always say, like, I never had a sister to really be able to emotionally connect with in the way that you do as a woman. You know, you tell your sister everything. And you and your sister probably talk about way more things and more intimate things than you would with Glenn. I think we talk about different things. Because Glenn probably knows 99.9% of my entire life. Do you talk to him about dudes? Yeah, I'll tell him about, I literally tell Glenn everything.

Have you ever, you obviously never longed for a brother, right? I mean, that's never been part of your thing, right? I grew up on, like, sports teams and I had buddies that held older brothers and stuff like that. And also tons of boy cousins who we were, they were, really, but that's true. So I was never had, like, somebody older that I was. Do you think that you've gained something as a child from being around with so many, like, women having two sisters? Absolutely. What do you think it is?

What? Yeah, I think perspective on so much. Not only our dad has like a psychological background where he can break things down. So not only being around women and him essentially holding my hand, walking me through, going, hey, this is what's happening. Here's the group dynamic that's going on. Here's stress behavior, blah, blah, blah. I think it just kind of honed emotional intelligence in a way where I, you know,

I don't, even when I'm in a relationship, I tend to not get rattled. Our dad can make any situation like chill. So explain what your parents do exactly. So my dad has a really interesting job where he's sort of, I mean, the equivalent, like, I think the easiest way to describe it is the coolest part of his job is that he's like the CEO saver. So when there's a sort of an erratic CEO or someone who has sort of group dynamic problems where they're the CEO of a company and obviously very good at the technical part of leading it but

not good at like inspiring people around them and they're basically on the chopping block they'll send my dad in to say hey like you're on the chopping block board wants to let you go but if you want to whip your shit in a shape I'll tell you how to inspire people around you and turn it in so he sort of like works with him he sort of works them over the course of a year and turns a life coach Sort of like a life coach, but for... I feel like I could do this. What's his background? He was communication.

Like, he studied communication, and then he was also a communications professor. And then this job, the job that he does wasn't around. Like, when he started this job, that was when basically that became a thing. So it was a new career. And he worked with this company for a long time. And then he started his own company. And we call it Glenn Powell Independence Day. that we celebrate it every year.

But yeah, but he basically goes into these companies and he figures out what each person is really good at or what their strengths and weaknesses or if someone's like a rules person. So say like you think taking a pencil home from work is stealing and I would take a pencil home any day to do my work and bring it back. I'd fire the person who thought that was stealing.

Right. Well, that's the thing. So many people have different points of views. and so he figures out how people think and why they think that way and then he helps them function better as a team. Is he a psychologist? No.

I don't think he has a psychologist's background. No, but like when we were growing up, if we, or even now, you call him with a problem and he's like, hey, think about it this way. Like, they're thinking this way and they're in their stress behavior and you're doing this, he goes, great to grow up.

Yeah. Literally, you can't be upset once he talks to you because he's so, damn rational. Yeah. Now, what about your parents? Have you ever seen them fight? Our parents don't really fight.

I've seen my dad, I've seen my dad yell one time. And it was when we, you, me, and Lauren, were all fighting in the backseat. We were in Germany. We were all fighting in the backseat about something dumb. And he goes, if you guys don't stop it, I'm going to stop on the side of this highway and I'm going to let you out. And so Lauren was like, well, okay. And she just started, like, fighting again. And he goes, get out of the car.

And literally, we let her out of the car. This was the one time my daddy even, like, raised his voice, really. He, like, doesn't raise his voice. And so finally, Lauren learned her lesson, though. We dropped her off and then he came back. So, so you, but you and your sister do talk about everything. Glenn's kind of left out of the, which I'm sure, I mean, you're fine with that. Or do you sometimes feel like?

No, I'm, I'm good. I'm, yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, that's, that's something I didn't really need. I, again, I sort of as a. I tend to figure shit out, maybe fast, maybe slow, whatever. But the fact that they had that dynamic, I was never really aware of it. Are you guys both in LA? So dad basically raised you guys to be amazingly centered, happy, great children.

Mom, let's talk about mom. So mom does. She's the greatest. She takes care of all of like, she just takes care of us as a whole. And she does a lot of like my business affairs. she does a lot of my brother's business affairs like So how'd she start out though? Oh, go for it.

My mom was the director of intergovernmental affairs under Reagan back, and that's where my parents met. Right, this is when she slept with Reagan. Yes. Anyway, so that's why I'm such a good actor is I've modeled after my father, Ronald Reagan. This is what we're revealing on the show. This is a weird paternity test. Some 23 and me gone wrong.

I mean, we've, talked about this actually this was a thing that was brought up in the family recently so my parents did 23 and me but they didn't press the uh ancestry button or whatever it is that says like who everybody is and how they connect because you keep hearing all these horror stories recently yeah about random people being like you're not my dad right you're my son yeah you're my real some random we didn't press that button oh why not because ronald regan my father is no longer with us and I don't need to go through that again. My dad got super depressed on the 23 and me thing because he was telling everybody, they came

to the set of Top Gun and he, in our trailer, like, he was, he was so excited to tell us the results of, of, um, that he has elite athlete potential muscle build. Oh my God. So he was like, guys, all the athletic stuff you got from me. And it's because I have this, I have elite athletes. athlete potential, right? And then all of a sudden, my mom gets hers back. And it also says elite athlete potential or whatever, who she's the most clumsy unathletting doesn't work out. And he was like, this is shit. He's like, she got so depressed. He's like, only talked about for a while.

So mom worked for Reagan. I think it was interesting is we had a really, I don't know how you felt about this, but I feel like we had a really interesting point of view because they were both in politics and sort of lean different ways is. And also because a lot of those figures sort of came into our lives growing up you had politicians and representatives and um sort of like she had a lot of secret service people that were sort of around so we we had like an influx and when we went to washington dc you sort of saw her world like we got you know the real backstage tour and has access to i mean presidents have been out to the ranch and you know it's like mom is very connected to all that stuff but i feel like we got a very diverse point of view when it comes

to dad who was more on the political machine type side of it, and she was more on the treasury financial side of things. And that probably doesn't explain it, but I also, I don't know, I feel like we got a pretty good perspective to see actually how the machine works instead of the sound bites that you get at parties. Right, right.

And then for you guys with two parents who kind of deal, like you said, kind of in this world, you get into the arts. You're a singer. You write music. Do you sing like this? They all the wind beneath my wing.

I could never talk that. God, I miss Nashville. I just wish you would do that every day. Oh, my God. Is it kind of like that? Yeah. Yeah. Do you want to do it, do it?

Yeah. Your parents, were they in the arts? Were they musical? Nothing. You guys all, and your sister, is she? What does she do? You're older. Lauren was in.

you know, worked in legal stuff for a while. And then she was just kind of never really that driven on a lot of things. I mean, was successful there. Whatever she put her mind to, she could do it really well. She could do it well, but she was never happy doing it. Yeah. And it wasn't until she became a mom that I think, like, I've seen her at, like, peace. Literally, she was made to be a mom.

She's the greatest mom ever. But, like, it's there, that, I mean, yeah, it's the hardest job in the world. Yeah. So you guys ended up getting into the arts. Were you always a songwriter? No, I actually got, so Glenn and I did a, we started in the string project, which was violin. We both played violin for a long time. And then when I got in high school, Glenn encouraged me to do a creative writing class.

And he was like, you play music. Like, just try this. Maybe you're a good writer. I was like, I'm not a good writer. And then I did it. And he was like, less, like, this is pretty good. you should like do it so literally it stemmed from high school and he encouraged me to do that you're like the greatest brother right i mean did you guys ever fight did you ever i mean did you ever

not like her or were you always so encouraging like go and win and make i think on the big things like big things life's hard if you don't have your family and lean back on there was one time i got really mad at her we were we we were having dessert and we were all everybody was sharing dessert and I bit into this like awesome bite and I was like you know I was like oh my god there's like a prune in here or something and Leslie had taken her gum oh and put it on the dessert thing and so I was just I just took a big bite of ice cream and was just chewing her gum 30 seconds and savoring it like what is this like what is this thing and I remember I was like I literally was like petitioning for a new sister after that moment I'm not like a germaphobe but I definitely like

It's not cool to, like, chew on your sister's... I mean, it's pretty gross. This is as bad as you guys for the pal. That's pretty gross. Yeah. I mean, so basically you were... So then you were, like, you know, he's a great brother. No, he's the best brother in the world.

He's always been, like, my biggest fan. I've always been his biggest fan. And, like, watching him do what he does in his career, it's like he did everything before I'm doing it. I'm three years behind him. And so any, like, terrible... day i have or question in what i'm doing he's like oh he's like i've been there like let me tell you and he like well coach me through it and it's the best oh i love you love you so glen's the

best older brother i'm so jealous i just i wish i had an older brother we've talked about this no but if there were a brother competition i would have won it i know but i made her it's not i know it's not a competition yeah exactly because i we've talked about this before because Thank you. Because I was an asshole to her, she felt like she then needed to step up her shit, right? And become a force, become a powerful woman. Independent. Independent, powerful woman.

There is something to that. Low stakes, trial and error. You know, maybe she had to, you know, use. He likes to think it's him. If I would have given you the love that you needed, you wouldn't be nearly as successful as you are today. That you, we will, we will never know. We will never know. But what a lovely thing to have the support like that growing up.

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slash sibling for up to $200 off. Glenn moves to Los Angeles. He says, all right, I'm leaving Texas. Your sister went into law school. Yeah, so Lauren was working at a law firm by that point. Right, okay. You came out here. To be a star.

You became a manny. I was a manny. You were a manny. You were staying in a Bel Air House. Yeah. awesome um teaching their kids how to play sports yep for a stupid amount of money no no i was i was staying at this estate for a bed basically for but i had like guest bedrooms and i had like my own pool yeah like it was crazy did you house it and stuff like that when they were out of town but they

but there's no but they had a staff of like 12 how did you meet these people again so it's just it's just friends of friends right like family friends that we we kind of grew up around but like i didn't really know them on a personal level how old were you when you moved to LA and this oh I was 19 and so you were 16 or you're 16 17 still in high school yeah I was still high school but I've only been here a year so like he moved like way before I have I did oh you've only been in LA for a year yeah oh wow that's the thing is like I did the lead blocking like I established I established you know rooting here yeah it took me five years to get like a meeting yeah and then she just like she's literally

taken over the town in less than a year it's crazy to watch What are you doing? She sings her ass off. No, I know, I know, I know. But Glenn's like you're taking over the time. So I write music. So I write music for, I write pop music in all different genres. And then I license it to TV and film and advertisements.

And then write for other people. And then sing. And then I do my own thing. So it's really fun. She's basically living the life I wish I would have lived. Do you sing stuff like this? Girl, you are to me. Oh, God.

What a perfect woman should be And I dedicate my love How did this song happen? I said I wasn't going to cry in this podcast. I know. And it's happening. It's happening. You guys don't even know.

So you came to L.A., you became a manny. You started auditioning. Denzo Washington's agent Ed Lamato. Yeah, but that's why he was the guy that convinced me to come out here. Ed Lomato. Oh, right. Ed and Denzel. And then I became a manny.

is trying to just get jobs. And that was like two years of basically not auditioning and just getting shut down. And then Ed passed away. Right. After Ed passed away, he was like literally my guardian angel, the guy that I talked to every day,

the reason that I was out here, and it was the first time in this town that I felt like alone. I was in a really bad. And then all of a sudden, that family got a divorce, and I moved up to like a garage in Van Nuys. It was like living up there. And when I had to get to my door,

I had to like pass like a barking dog that was trying to bite me all the time. And I didn't have AC and it was the middle of the summer. I was getting sued because I got unemployment benefits. And then I found out like residual checks going back. So I made no money. And then I was also getting sued by California. Wow. And it was just a bummer.

You know, life was just like really tough. And it just wasn't working out. And all that, all those dreams of who you thought you were going to be just sort of you're like, shoot. Like I've always believed in myself like nobody else. and I was willing to do what it takes but it was like the first time I was like who I got to strap in for this this is going to be a ride

and you're probably getting to that age where you're like oh is this going to be my career am I going to is this going to be a failure yeah you sort of start making versions where you're like okay I may not be you go okay I want to be a trainer Tom Cruise right and then you're like

maybe I'll be like maybe I'll be Tom Cruise trainer for Tom Cruise maybe I'll be that guy in the in the background that gets punched by him in Mission of Possible? No, I get it. It's the age old Hollywood story, but then every once in a while one slips through the cracks

and you end up getting a break. And your break was? I'd probably say my break was expendables was probably the one that I had kind of no business being in, but I got a shot and it put me on a poster with a bunch of guys I've been idolizing my whole life. Did you have that thing like the Brad Pitt, like I'm going to dress in a chicken,

suit if I have to to like make it kind of thing for you were you like I'll do anything like I'll just you know when you know when you came here was like I'll take any job I mean there's there's obviously a line of like what I'll do for money um is there no there's not all over but now that I'm past it I feel like I feel like he'd be in the chickens right uh no I mean at the end of the day like to to make money it's like be out here you sort of have to have no sort of pride about what you're doing. I remember getting, I applied to the Beverly Hills Hotel as a, as a towel boy. And I got the job and I was really pumped about it. Congrats. And I got fired after a week. Because I had not gotten any auditions. I had no auditions for a long time. And then all of a sudden, the week that

I got the job, but I was like, all right, I got, I got to make money. I got like three auditions. And so I was like, hey, I had to tell my boss, like, hey, I got another audition. And he's like, hey, I heard a towel boy, not an actor. I'm like, well, I don't want to be a towel boy for the rest of my life, but also like, this is not normal. And yeah, and so that's what I was like, all right, there were, and then you do odd jobs for people, you know, you work on sets as different things and just try to, you know,

make ends meet. But again, that was where when that do or die moment happened in Van Nuys where I was like, I was at the end of my ropes. I remember, it was like, my grandfather died. I was being sued by California. Yeah. I like, there was a big job that I thought I was going to get that I didn't get. It looked like my agent was probably going to drop me. And it was just like one thing after another.

And the dog that had basically been chasing me my entire journey to my door back and forth at his gate was just sitting between like I was just like petting up and I was like crying on the back thing. And I was like, this sucks. This way sucks. You know? You know? And I just, I just remember it's just, it's good to look back on those moments because not that those moments are over. It's not like I'm totally out of the woods. but I definitely feel really lucky

because I know exactly where I could be. Yeah, no, it's true. And I think, too, it's like one of those things where, you know, Kurt always said to me, I remember when I was acting all the time and I was younger and he goes, well, hold on a second, you know, because I said, I really want to audition. I was still in high school and they wouldn't let me do it.

And Kurt said, let me ask you question. You know, like, how much do you want to be an actor? Like, do you want to be an actor because there's this sort of success, this idea of success, Or, like, would you be happy in Nebraska and community theater performing? And I remember saying to Pond, I'm like, well, obviously, if I, I mean, obviously, I want to have success. I mean, that goes out saying. But, like, I don't think I'd ever not be able to be on a stage in some capacity.

I have to do it, you know? Like, I still haven't saying, right? I don't care who listens, who's there. It could be Oliver, like, but I would be. I hope not. He's like, boo. And he knows this about me. Every time I come in, Kay's like, let me play this new song I wrote.

I'm like, oh, geez this. Kate, I just got to go. I got to pick up the kids and I got to go. And hold on, I got to play this new song. I'm like, I go in there and she's like. I'm like, basically performing. She's like, ooh, hoo. I'll be your new song.

I'm going, don't send it to all of her. I've got like lights in my studio. It's like a foot song. Oh. The success shouldn't be what determines how much you love something. Because then you'll be miserable because this is one of the hardest careers to have a sustained success in, period. You know, I either say if you want to be an actor, you're either,

you have to be a little bit crazy. You just have to because it's not a grounded, right? No, you're not around grounded people. You're not in a grounded world. No, and same with you. So here you come, two kids coming, from very grounded parents, and now you say, I'm going to be a musician. So when was that that you actually connected to it being, other than Glenn kind of being

your cheerleader, but like, this is my calling. I have to do this. I went to Nashville for the first time my sophomore year of college, and there was this family that basically adopted me and let me also stay in their guest house. And I had a mentor. His name was A.J. Masters. And he had written. and all these old country hits, and he kind of took me under his wing and was like, I think you can do this. And if I did well in a session,

he'd take me into another session. He was like the only person I really knew in Nashville. And I met him randomly through somebody. And so then I kept going session to session. I was like, this is awesome. And then I realized I didn't want to do country music after like three years. Because it's not me.

Right, but he gave you a foundation. But he gave me a foundation. He taught me how to write. He taught me how to think. Well, the great country writers are the great storytellers. They're storytellers, and that's what it is. And I think being here, it's different. They start with a melody here and a beat.

And then in Nashville, it's always about the story. So it's cool coming here. You have both. And I think they always used to tell me, like, you think too much. You think too much. And it was because I was always thinking about story. I think that's ingrained in me from Nashville. So what has been the most challenging part of coming to L.A. for you?

I switched my entire trajectory. I wanted to be an artist my entire life and was doing that and then started realizing when I came here I met this manager and he was so great and he set me up with his team of writers

and was like just see how you do and so I came and I started really liking pop music so I switched over to pop and then I realized like he sat me down one day and was like do you really want to be on tour for 300 days a year? And I was like

nope. Like do you like all of these things I think he said that and then when I was in Nashville they kept telling me that I kept writing different styles of music and they'd be like why are you writing urban why aren't you writing country and then I'd write like a pop thing and they'd be like what just pick something pick pick and I could never pick and that was like my biggest weakness they're like you're never going to be anything if you don't pick and when I got here that became my biggest strength writing for TV and film.

And so I switched my entire life to being an artist into writing for TV and film and advertising and like that whole world. But I don't know anyone in that world. So I've been just navigating my way meeting people and meeting writers

who write in that vein. But you've been really lucky. I mean you got a song in the set it up, right? You have a song in that. Then you have two more songs coming out, right? Yeah. I've been really fortunate and I have luckily made great friends in the film supervision world that have been so good to me and I just had a Wendy's commercial come out which is so fun. Oh, that's cool.

Dave's like double or something, $5 double. And you, wait, so hold on, this is interesting. You wrote what part of just a jingle? It's not a jingle. So I basically write pop music and then they'll license it. Okay, so you wrote something for Wendy's and someone performed it or did you perform it? I performed it. So you're on Wendy's commercial.

Yeah. That's awesome. Oh, this is something that I love. You put everybody in the movies. So, like, they're always in the movies that you're in. How do you do that? Have you ever been, has there been any movie that they're not in? I've sort of worked my way up to putting them in every movie.

And now they're sort of an expectation that they're in the movies. Who, though? Like my mom, my dad, Leslie's in. I'm usually not in them. Are you not in most of them? No. I mean, mom and dad are like... Mom and dad are, I guess, are mostly in them in every single one.

And now Grammy's a superstar. How do you do that, though? I mean, you just sort of sneak in. It's like an extra. It's like an extra. It's not that hard. You're like, hey, we're doing... Oh, you just do...

Yeah. The backgrounds or whatever. But now I've gotten to the point where I can sort of come up with like a gimmick. Like, I'll read the script and be like, all right, there's a crowd scene. Yeah. There's not going to be totally isolated. I will put them as like... I'll pitch a funny gimmick to the director or whatever.

And I'll be like, hey, what about this funny gimmick? And like that I can do where they're not going to talk. So they have to be like sag. My mom's technically sag, but like, you're, so is dead, right? Anyway, they're, where they're not talking so they don't have to pay them, right? But enough where they have like a fun gimmick where they're featured and stuff. So when Top Gun, we're like, Tom, listen. Okay, I got a pitch.

Mom will be like a mig. My mom's a mig. Mom's in the mid. She's dressed as she's in the plane. That's actually a release. She's just like a rogue state pilot. It's like the volleyball scene. Yeah.

Right. He can't talk. He signed NDAs, but there is a volleyball scene. Well, we won't talk about that. He didn't tell me, by the way. I'm assuming. Of course. I'm assuming in Top Gun 2 there has to be.

Of course. There's a volleyball scene. And you know how fucking oiled up this dude probably got? You know how. happy he was to be that oiled up. Oh my God. Here's what I'd like to say. 80 push-ups. I have a feeling that Tom Cruise is probably was

like your number one pretty much. That is correct. Yeah. And this is like I mean if if Glenn was to do something that was like a dream come true, it is to work with Tom Cruise in Top Gun 2. Leslie showed me an Instagram post

the other day where I literally on my Instagram was one of my first post. It was the day Top Gun came out and I literally wished Maverick a happy birthday on my Instagram. No.

I sent him to him I was like this is crazy. This is full circle. Like this guy. Like May 16th or something. Wait, how old were you when Instagram came out? I mean, how old were you

when you did this post? Wait, no, no, this was like Maverick's like birthday or something and he wished him. I know, but how old were you when you? It was like a few years ago. Like three years ago or so. Oh, this was like.

I was a grown man. I was like, I was a grown man. Probably probably, probably, probably. You're too old to be doing this shit, but yeah. It's kind of weird. Like, wait a minute, good. That's a pretty childish thing you did as a grown man. Wait, but what's Maverick's birthday?

Was it May? I don't know what it was. How do you know what it is? He just said fucking May. That's itself crazy. Is it Tom's birthday or Mav actual? It's the day. It's the day.

It came out. Right. The release date. I remember the post that you, there was one post that Wyatt and I were so excited for you because we were like, he's so happy right now and it was with the aviators on it was the top gun full on post you had the yes well i was so get this i was so excited about that and i got immediately in trouble for that oh you did my first like minutes after getting this movie oh my god i post because i'm yeah

wanted to be in this movie my entire life i went in research this i went down to miramar i went down to north island i went to edwards air force base i was around planes, I was learning everything so that when I walked in there with Tom and Jerry and Joe, I knew everything there was to know about naval aviation. So I had a picture with an F-35 two months before I even auditioned that I was with all these guys talking about. So I posted this picture of me on my own research with this F-35. I was like so pumped and like literally they're like, hey, Tom just saw that and he's like really not happy. I was like, God, dude.

I was like, Tom, like a minute and getting his movie. The weird thing is That I'm as like Top Gun is maybe my favorite movie To me Top Gun was where I learned everything That I know like I wanted to be I wanted to be like Kelly McGillis and she was sexy And then that whole sex scene I was like oh my God that was where I learned so much

With the tongue Yes Yeah That was crazy It might have been my first crush So I understand so you have a man crush on Tom Cruise. I mean, this is real.

Tom's also like the dude that number one has sort of lasted longer than anybody, like because he's just like fearless and cool and whatever. He also makes his own stuff and develops it and it's like super involved. So nice to people. Yeah, just so great to work with. He's got like this

workout trailer. Like before we all show up to set, the guy has done a full it's called the pain cave and he literally has all these like modern things in there where he's defying gravity. What's Tom Cruise smell like? Weird?

What a weird question? No, but for real. Like, I mean, what did he say? Wait, what did he say? Pumeria from bed bath and beyond? That's what you have when you have two sisters. You can reference things like Pumaria. That's so funny.

But wait a minute. For real, though, because you've been close to him. That's a Hawaiian. Is that a Hawaiian smell? Pumeria. Yeah. That's like a Hawaiian. All right, full disclosure.

Wait, you've been close to him. You've been close to him and like he's your idol. Wait, can I just talk about something? Really quickly. Yeah. When you grow up with like brothers and sisters and there are some smells that smell really good, but because they always now follow a bad bathroom smell, they're ruined for you. Yes.

Like I hate the smell of vanilla candles. Yeah. Smells like poop to me. Right, because you've associated. I now associate. I always buy you vanilla candles. Yeah, it's just a poopy house now. Oh, my God.

You know what I mean? No, I don't because I'm the girl lighting the candle in the shit-smelling bathroom because you guys are shitting up the place. I'm just saying now there smells. No, to me, the vanilla is like a savior. Yeah, I'm going to agree with that. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

You never walk into a bathroom and you're like, oh, it smells like vanilla fart. Yeah. You're like it's obviously covering up stuff. I'm like, damn it. Do you dash, I used it last night. It was so easy and I loved. my Sprite Sprites

I was going to go more to flight I was trying to find I loved it so much that my soul took flight was kind of like where I was going with it but my brain just my brain sometimes

doesn't move fast enough when I'm doing my freestyling DoorDash Oliver I love my DoorDash app I love supporting our local restaurants especially during this time. I'm a foodie. So I know a lot of friends in the restaurant business, it's been a

crazy time. And so at least once or twice a week, we order out and DoorDash is a great way to do that. Yes, we still need to keep supporting our local restaurants for sure. It feels like this coronavirus has been going on and on and on and it has. And we need to keep supporting your local restaurants. Danny is sitting here. You know, he does all of our social media and he is whispering in my ear how much he loves DoorDash. That it's his number one. I'm just going to explain. I know everyone seems to, we think that everyone knows how it all works, but I just want to explain that you open the DoorDash app, you choose what you want to eat and your food will be left safely outside your door with a new contact list delivery.

drop, eh, fuck. Ordering is easy. Open the DoorDash app. You choose why. Keep all this in, Allison. Ordering is easy. Okay. Ordering is easy.

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That's a great question. I literally think we have, I think my temperament is like dad, but I also, I don't know, I don't have to answer this question. Yeah, I found that growing up, you're like, I want to be a Powell. Yeah. You guys, but you, again, this is the funny part is that we all should go down to Texas

and get rowdy because our families are so, like, the things that matter, those like foundational pillars. that make a great family function like y'alls is very similar to what makes ours function. We do, sounds like we're like different on certain subjects. We both, we all fart. You do? Speak for yourself.

We covered up with Plumerit. Sounds like you guys covered up with vanilla. Vanilla versus Flamirius. I am surprised Glenn is as funny as he is based on the fact that you've had such a great childhood because like most people who are funny have kind of fucked up childhood. I'll say this though. the entire family is gives each other such shit yeah that you you have to have really thick skin all right they're really ruthless you used to have yeah thick skin because you're very you're very

sensitive and whenever like the cousins start giving each other's shit it is it is ruthless to the point where they're they're they're poking to draw blood it's like a daily road like if you don't have thick skin you're just going to cry all the time well we would do a talent show after dinner like at the ranch there's a stage after dinner everybody would go do a talent show she would like sing I would like play fart noises on my armpit or something because I'd have a real talent but like what you do is you would have to sort of defend yourself in front of the court so to speak and like make people laugh even though your talent's kind of like lame or whatever like you sort of well that's where the performing came from you were like almost forced to do it in it was it was

it was sort of like it sounds like amazing forced it was fun it was like, it was like the gong show. Would your parents, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would the, would be brutally on? It's like, ah, bang. Oh, it was brutally honest. Yeah, like, like, people would cry and, and people get so heated to the, like, I'm going to do this sort of stunt or this sort of trick. And, like, they would do something, like, try to do a backflip off the top of the rafter and, like, land on their neck. We'd all go to the hospital. Like, they were desperate to win.

Every year. Every year. Really? Yeah. Every year. So, we always had a family football game, too, and somebody broke a bone. every single year. Family football game sounds great. Yeah, but you guys were all out football, huh?

Oh, we don't mess around when it comes to football. Yeah. So Oliver and I used to do productions every Christmas. Productions. What does that mean? We would put a little, like, story play together when we were kids. We would play it out in front of the whole family. And Kurt would then, everyone would clap, be like, yay.

And then Kurt would go, I don't understand what this, like, what happened. And we'd be like five years old. Your first act is really flawed. Yeah. And we go, you know, what do you mean, pa? And he'd be like, there's no plot, guys. Like, I don't know.

Like, who's who? What's the plot? What just happened? And we would all sit there like deer in a headlight going like, I'm like, Oliver, I told you we should have done. He'd be like, no, that's not. We'd like, right over the back. Yeah.

Then he'd ask us to go back upstairs and look at the story and talk about like what it was that we really wanted to get across, like what and come back and perform it again. That's incredible. That's like the Sundance Lab. We were so excited. We were like, oh my God. And we were like, done, then we did this. And then it was like, no, wasn't good enough kids. We're like, we don't want to rework.

the scene. That's so funny. Honest, truth. I didn't see truth. That's so. Because that's actually, I was thinking about that with you guys, you guys have amazing resources of people that have done it before and probably would have a higher bar than our family was just sort of clapping.

There was one time where we had like this big party at the house and was like all of my family's friends. And Leslie was in Annie at the time. And Leslie, you know, was just. so good at singing that song tomorrow at the time and she just crushed it and so and my parents were so proud so they would make her sing it everywhere and i told leslie i said in the middle of the song what you need to do is just go praise lucifer right so right when you're about to hit the high note like i didn't know i didn't know that meant i didn't know anything and i was like okay

sure you did it i did it oh it was like two more and then i was like lucifer Oh, my God, this is terrible. And the parents were so weirded out. Like, the joke was only for me. Like, no one else got it. Everyone thought I was like, the devil after that. Annie was my favorite, too. My mom used to do the same thing.

Well, but it sounds like your parents actually, like, wanted you to perform where a lot of, I think, parents in this business pushed their kids away from that. Do you find that? They were fine. You know, no, they were fine. They were fine except unless we were, They wanted us to be kids.

I mean, that was really important. There was no pressure one way or the other. For them, it was like you will not, you will do what you want to do as long as you do it 150% and you're committed and you love it. That's what we'll support you in. And we made, I made movies. Yeah. Ollie would, Ollie was like the creator. Yeah.

Cameras, filters. I mean, every weekend making movies. Shots. Everything was gore. Everything was horror. Everything was comedy horror. I mean, that's like, like, like. was our genre. But I think, I think, let's bring it back to, like, growing up that when, you know,

well, I guess what were you guys doing when you were growing up? You're playing sports? He was doing the exact same stuff. I literally had a camera with me at all times. On family vacations, I would, actually, one of my favorite things was like, we usually would film like a movie or something like, we're at a beach. I'd film like Boca Bay Watch. And it'd be like something like thriller about, you know. You're about to get eaten by a shark, jump in the water. And I'd be like terrified. I'm like, okay. Yeah. So it's the same kind of thing.

There was my favorite piece of footage that we have as a family is when we were, we were in England and we were staying with a family outside of London. And they had this real kind of emo kid. It was like 10 years old. And we have no. Don't you love when like different kids from weird families enter the equation of like the strong unit? This was, this guy had no, like very sweet family. this kid was like the wild card and my dad being my dad being like hey more more the merrier we have we have a five-seater car we could definitely be fit more than five people in our family and he goes would you want to come to london with us he goes yeah okay and we're like we have no room for this guy so we put my little sister in the trunk right and her head is sticking outside the little the little the little drop-down thing yeah like in the middle of it so leslie's head is out the middle and basically the other guy's like sitting here my sister's here i'm sure he's sitting in the car being like like, what's happening?

So we're driving down the road and I'm interviewing my dad because he's in the right seat, not the left. And I'm like, hey dad has the vacation going so far. He's like, it's all good. And he's like, we're having a great. And you turn and you literally see in frame a range rover like right in front of our car.

He had swerved on accident the other way. And all of a sudden he turns back. He goes, oh my gosh. And turns it. But everyone in the car screams. But because the way he turned, my camera goes like this and all you see for the entire like next 30 seconds is my little sister's disembodied head just because she has no idea what's going on as we go into a field oh you actually go into a field like literally ramped it into a field it's

and they all can see they're screaming and then I'm screaming because I can't see anything and like we get in this field and then this kid this kid thinks he's going to die he hasn't said a word he's like terrified of everything happening and then we get out of the car at the very end of my dad being like the funny guy he is he's like so it's standard to tip the driver when you know after like ride and the kid

after not saying a word for the entire like day he goes you gotta be kidding me he's like I'm not gonna tip you you almost killed all of us he was like oh my god losing his mind he lost it and he's like And your daughter's in the trunk.

But wait, so you would film, you're constantly filming. It was where you got, so you always wanted to do what I did, which was like you'd be in anything and do whatever you wanted. And the older sister, was she involved or was she sort of like whatever? She kind of did her own thing. She was in like a few of them, I think. What movies? Yeah, but I don't think she did most of them. Yeah.

Oh, you mean like family movies? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not like the ones that were, like, we filmed. So you guys were always. gone to writing, creating you music and you, and you have written now a couple of movies. Yeah. So who's your writing partner? So my writing partner is a guy named Jono Matt.

And Jono and I'm both snuck into the Golden Globes. Actually, when Cord was on Glee, it was like second or third season of, and I was just his roommate. And so he just snuck his ticket back to me. Jono was the assistant for somebody on Glee and put his name into the system to get into this party. And so we both were like the only guys that were like. like not important and definitely not on the show. It had nothing to do with the show. And we just started talking to each other at the bar.

And he said he was a writer and he was like, oh, I wrote a screenplay about the world's first submarine. And I was like, oh, the Hunley? He's like, how would you know that? And I watched a documentary about it. And we just started talking. I gave him notes on some stuff. And this one screenplay that he started writing,

I gave him notes. And he's like, would you just want to write this with me? And now we just have sort of merged our creative brains. And now we have a real fast system. What is your ultimate goal? as a actor, creator, director, like where do you see yourself in 15 years from now? If you could accomplish everything you want to accomplish in 15.

Taking over the mission impossible franchise. By the way, it's so funny, it's so funny because somebody like made that joke on Top Gunn, like talking to Tom. And they're like, oh man, like maybe one of these guys is going to take over the mission franchise. He's like, nah, nah. Nah, nobody's doing it.

Like, literally, I can't think of like a worst job. than taking over Mission of Possible, trying to like one-up stunts. Right. I'm hearing Chris McCory, who's the director of mission, is on set, and he and Tom are constantly talking about

the next stunts, the next set pieces. And I can't think of a more, I mean, we're flying real F-18s of this movie and going the speed of sound 50 feet above the ground. Yeah, that's just who he is. And it's like literally what they're brainstorming.

Right. Is what is the craziest thing. And it's like, I can't imagine that sort of pressure. Like the next movie, I already get like Butterfly has been like, I don't know what's going to happen. It scares me.

It scares me. But it'll, you know. I think the thing I'm excited about is that I feel like Leslie and my worlds are sort of starting to collide and merge where I'm, you know, I'm now finally getting to the point where I can like, I'm working with the people I've always wanted to work with and like people want to develop with me and with her stuff. Like her stuff is cooking and like I always want to do like a musical. Like I'm like, we grew up on musicals and things. things like that and like kind of converging those two worlds. Come on. Actually, we should totally do that.

The Wendy's musical. Mm-hmm. Double stack? Double stack. It's called double stack. Good idea. Cheese, oh no cheese. Cheese.

Dude, you're hired. You're so hired. We should just do a musical short and it's just about an ordering experience at Wendy's. So you guys' worlds are colliding and you feel like. now you're actually getting an opportunity to work with your sister well because independently like to set it up the way that happened was like not me like she independently like i obviously was like hoping it happened but like that thing happened independently of me and like the people that she's connecting with it's all they're they're part of my world but i don't know music supervisors

like that's not what i do um and i'm just seeing like her ability to create songs out of literally nothing and to just go, I have a concept, I'll write a song about it, and the way people respond to it, these people are getting paid millions of dollars for these things. And the people that I'm developing certain projects with, that's one of the most complicated parts of the equation that are really tough to figure out music. Yeah. So I've noticed this a lot, you know, you do end up working with your sibling. It's like you know them better than anybody. If you really believe in your sibling and what they can do, especially if you're a creative You want to work with each other.

Yeah, must be nice. Must be nice. I think with that you do know each other so well and you know how each other's brains work, which for us, like, anytime we get a chance, we always are like ping ponging ideas off of each other. Totally. And so, like, to be able to do that in a creative way,

like in an actual film, not just like a song or something, would be so cool. Yeah. I think that's our dream is, like, just to work together and have a company where I run music, he runs the production. My brothers do whatever they can to get away from doing that.

Well, because I sit in a room and I ping waiting for a pong bath. However, you should run the music of her company. He says, I'm just pinging, ping, ping, ping, ping. It's not true. It's not true. Let's do some of these rapities. Who broke the rules more?

Obviously, you did. I broke the rules. I just didn't break him as much is Glenn and Lauren. Mom also caught Glenn sneaking out one time, and he had literally had this entire plan. He, like, opened their garage, put a bike, like, underneath, and our driveway's like this.

My mom knows everything. This was, like, steep. Yeah, yeah. Steep driveway. Super deep. Our driver is like this. Just an awkward wrist, that's our driveway. I forgot the, you can't see.

And it was super steep, and, like, Glenn was halfway down the driveway. My mom just opens up her window and is, like, Glenn, she's like, where do you think you're going? And he was like, back in the house. And then she didn't come down. She didn't, like, scold him. She just like, he knew.

Don't. She's kind of terrifying. Don't mess with her. Her kids. Yeah, she knew everything. Like, do you hide things from me? If your parents were like, Glenn, have you done ecstasy? Like, would you say to your parents like, yeah.

I mean, I don't think you have or not. I just saying, like, I actually, this is a good segment. Where I play Glenn's, I play your guy's dad and your mom. And we're grilling them on the tough questions. Oh, right. And then you would answer them how you would answer them. Glenn. Can you make it just like a little softer and more, I don't know, caring.

Yeah. More caring. Like more Ronald Reagan. Glenn, Glenn. Did you have you done cocaine in your life? I would totally tell my dad stuff like that. You would. Absolutely.

When it comes to those sort of things, I don't think our parents are very cool and chill when it comes to those sort of things. No, I feel like they've actually, in our entire lives have fostered this thing of just be honest. Like they gave us freedom when we were younger, but they were like, if you get in trouble, it's going to be your fault. We're not bailing you out. Yeah, they never bail off. But you, do you, like, make your decision. That sounds like our parents are really similar. It's kind of crazy.

Who calls the other more? you call me more yeah what about uh in the morning it's usually about song ideas uh i call you about everything do you talk to me you guys talk every day multiple times a day do we talk every day no oh my gosh no so aggressive who gets the last word in during an argument i mean it sounds like they don't even argue not that much really no but But who would get the last word? Something's weird. Something's got to be.

Probably Glenn would get the last word. Lauren would get the last word. Lauren, for sure, would get the last word. Lauren is an amazing arguer. Oh, well, she's a lawyer. Yeah. So it's like she can dismantle you and make it hurt. Out of the three of you, who teams up more?

I would probably say it was the two of us. You guys team up most. Lauren's a team of her own. But that shifted because once upon a time it was. Oh, me and Lauren. You and Lauren. Yeah. I would say, Lauren likes, in my opinion, I think she likes being on her own as a team.

She's independent. She could take on anyone. Yeah. She's, yeah. Do you love Leslie more than Lauren? No, I love them equally. You do? Jesus. What the quality of it again? What would Glenn choose?

Cold weather or warm weather? Uh, warm weather. Warm. Dog or cats? Dog. Dog. Salty or sweet? Salty.

Me too. no she's guessing for you oh you're guessing for me oh well correct yeah so far she's like four for four uh beach or mountains uh beach correct beatles or stones stones beetles beetles beetles oh burgers or dogs hot dogs correct bowling or miniature golf miniature golf correct

roller skater segue Segway. What do you think I am? God, Glenn would be, it's a whole comedy routine. Full segue. We had, we used to do. Glenn and I actually did a comedy routine on the Segway before. We did an interpretive dance on Segway. We have an off-roading segue at the Lake House. Yeah, we did. Headphones or boombox? Headphones. If it's on a plane headphones. Anywhere else, probably boombox. That's accurate, yeah. A sports car escalate. A horse car. Yeah. You know what he drives? I read an article about it His Jaguar I was Jack

That's right Right I read an article in my research for Glenn And it was Glenn The movie star to be Pulls up messy hair

Aviators that were painted onto his eyes Oh my God He's got a Vente Starbucks Lingering in his Cuppholder Oh Jesus Lonely Forks

Lies at the floor Lonely Fork That's what he said What's Glenn's go-to karaoke song? It'd probably be like Tim McGraw or something. No, that's good. I usually choose like a Disney song. Okay.

Like a Latin move. Go-to dance move. Oh, God. He's got so many you can't even. I don't know. Okay. It's a hard one. What is it?

What is it? It's the one that mom, the mom taught us. Oh, for sure. It's mom's signature dance move. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Can we get, like, mom doing this and put it on our industry? Absolutely.

It's phenomenal. Excellent. Um, okay, if he could quote, if he could quote one movie from start to finish, what would it be? Top gun. Top gun. Hilarious. Bobatura. Or like blazing saddles or something.

Childhood crush. Oh, Haley, um, Conrad. Oh, I mean, but now listen, you're talking about a celebrity crush? Yeah. Oh. She's like, is her girl who likes a great, very specific. I'm so sorry. Um, I actually have no idea what that is.

What is it? Jennifer Love Hewitt. Never knew that. Okay. Name a TV or show that he loved so much that would maybe be embarrassing. We loved Seventh Heaven. Oh, yeah. And now Jeff Stoltz is one of our good friends.

And Jeff was like, the man. I was like, that guy's so cute. And then when I finally, like, realized it after probably knowing him for a year, I was like, wait a second. You were on Seventh Heaven. Yeah, we loved that. Now you've got to do this for your sister. Cold or warm, weather.

Warm. Yeah. Dog or cats? Dog. Yeah. Salter or sweet? Sweet. Yeah.

Beach or mountains? Beach. Actually, mountains. Mountains. You don't like the beach. I like the beach. I just would rather be active on the mountain. Beatles or stones?

Stones. Burgers or hot dogs? Hot dogs. Oh, yeah, burgers. Yeah. Bowling or miniature golf. Minich golf. Yeah.

Roller skates or Segway. I mean, that's kind of... I guess, I mean, I assume segues, but this rollerblading thing really threw me for a loop. We have so many... You know, the roller skate. It's going to be the first...

When have you been roller skating? Go to karaoke song for your sister. Sia? No, definitely not Sia. What's the one? Missy Elliott. Yo, I was shaking like Jello, make the boys say hello because they know. No?

Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah, she knows every word of that song. Glenn, if your sister could quote one movie from start to finish, what would it be? Don't be weird about this, but maybe How to Lose a Guy Intended. I was just about to say how to lose a guy intended. How to Lose a Guy Intenton. Yes!

I was going to say that. I love it. That's it. Fun. Good guess. Celebrity crush. Childhood Celebrity Crush. Because I was like kind of in the Jonathan Taylor Thomas era.

You kind of watched all those shows with us, but I don't remember who you're crush was. Who was your crush? I mean, I always thought Ashton Cudger was cute and I also thought Ryan Reynolds was like... Those are kind of like modern ones. Yeah, he was really cute. So you watched that 70s show. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. He also had some fun movies. If you could, now we, we, we, we, we, we, we asked us to everyone, but it morphs itself, but if you could change one thing about the other, right, giving them something that you wish they had that would elevate something or if you could shift something in their life what would it be i'm thinking i'm thinking for you i truly i truly wish that i could be a better conduit to good men in your life because i actually

do find that good guys probably do come around and i do think i am intimidating on that front for a lot of guys that do come around because i am a strong like and i'm not trying to scare anybody um i'm just a terrifying individual obviously you guys you guys feel it when you're around me the fear that I instill in people. I do. No, I just think that guys like obviously like I find that

if the wrong guys have a confidence to go around her but the right guys probably don't have the balls. Does that make sense? What I would change about you is I just wish you'd introduce me to the right guys so Yeah, that's good. If you can make that I'm with that's also a yeah

I also have a high bar. There's nothing about I want. Never change the high bar. But like, get on it. Okay, so what would be one thing you would change other than him introducing you to... Is there anything about Glenn that like if you were, if you had this, it would elevate it's a good word. It would elevate you. There would be one thing, but then I would also never want to take this away because I think it makes it who he is would be he's so trusting of every single. He's like, he really genuinely leaves every single person has his best interest at heart.

and because it's a good person and I think that's gonna sometimes people don't and I don't ever want him to get screwed over so like that would be something like but then also that's what makes you who you are is like actually genuinely believing people are good

it's like you don't want to take that away but you also is like like I wonder if that's maybe a middle child thing have you been burned though? No I've definitely gotten to like business side of things. I've definitely learned lessons the hard way with certain people and you do learn what you can trust and what you can't trust. But I don't feel like those are lessons that I've had

to like, I don't go, shoot, I have to wear this like a metal now or like like a weight. It happens. Like, you know, not all people are good. And I find it's a lot easier to be open to things than to be scared of getting hurt on those things. Because then it's, I agree. But I find a lot of actors in general sort of it's been something I've been like hyper aware of as I find actors kind of walk around like not trusting people and kind of being like wearer people and just terrible place to live totally sucks like it makes you a shitty version of yourself I'm the same you just look at things from a different perspective right and I could say the same thing about myself I'm be way too trusting and I but that's never that's like I don't know I don't know it's a blessing and a curse if

you use the good too much it becomes a weakness I think. Who is the favorite sibling? Is there a golden child? Glenn's the golden child. No, Leslie is the golden child. Lauren doesn't care. We've got, we figured that out. Have you guys seen the movie the golden child? What? Have you seen the movie the golden child with Eddie Murphy? No. You should watch it. Best movie

ever. If you guys could give someone advice, I think this is interesting because you guys actually do have something that we do, even though we joke around and we've laugh about all this stuff but like our i don't know what i would do without my brother i mean literally you know it's one of those relationships where he gives me more than he even feels that he does at times i know that for a fact that that's like everything to me what would be the one piece of

advice you'd give a sibling relationship that wasn't necessarily in a good place i'd actually You say that family is the only thing that sticks with you through everything. Friends come and go, relationships come and go, but like a brother's sister or a mom and daughter, father, daughter, whatever, that's what you have in life. And that's what you fall back on, or at least I do. And so if you can make that relationship good or worthwhile, then you can always rely on it. But that's also not true in different households. Of course. But do you feel that the things that you do in your life, do you feel that your courage, say, to put yourself out there, to write songs, to say certain things, has something to do with how safe and grounded and loved you feel from your family? You know what I mean? Yeah, I actually 100%. Like, I'm, I think music is the scariest thing. Like, no, I think you're nuts to go into music. I think you're nuts to go into music. I think you're nuts to go into film.

I think, but I'm not scared of failure because if I fail, if something bad happens, whatever, I have my family to go back to. And nothing, yeah, I'm not scared. Yeah. I always think there will be people out there who are listening to this who have a difficult time with their sibling. And they try to figure out how to reconcile it. But then there's this longing that's always like, if only I could.

could just connect with that sibling. You know, they might not have been able to connect with their parents, but to be able to do that can completely change their entire life. So what would be your piece of advice to someone who's having a challenging time? I mean, I find that she's right in the fact that this town, for example, I found that this town operates like a heat-seeking missile a lot of times where it just chases kind of the flavor of the week. and you can read into why you're not good enough or why things aren't happening.

But at the end of the day, I talk to my family every day, pretty much every single member of them. And they offer different things. And whether it's a crutch or a laugh or just keep your mind off of things. And like, for instance, even when I was going through, I've gone through breakups and Leslie's the one who literally talks me off of a ledge and I'll get my heart stomped on. and she'll talk me through it. She'll turn it into a song. That sort of our catharsis is like... I'm so sorry about that.

No, but like that's like I'm sitting there going, you know, as a Southern guy, you're not like necessarily wanting to just like cry to your little sister about stuff. But really what you do is you can open up and talk about how you're feeling and I'll write a bunch of stuff and I'll say, hey, please make a song of it because this shit hurts, you know? And but you will break things down for me and give me the real. and family is no politics and they should be there not every family has the luxury of that like i know my family no matter what i do they'll be there and so you don't have to sugarcoat things you can be hurt you can be vulnerable and you can be raw to them because you know that's that's one

thing on this town that i do feel like i've brought a lot of people into my inner circle and into my work life and personal life that are there for me but at the end of the day you know that one push comes a shove, the only people that are truly there, if shit dries up, my family is going to be the only one that's there. That's great. I mean, you guys are so lucky. You're so lucky. And I, and I do.

You're very lucky. You guys have a really, seems to be just a really stable, honest, awesome family. I mean, you've got parents who are still together. But when you start interviewing people and most, most of the world really has real challenges in their family of origin. And I actually think it's as important as, you know, talking to people who've had challenging relationships in their life, familial relationships, that actually talking with you guys, what it's like to grow up with stability, with a father who is really even, who's able to diffuse situations and, you know, hit the neutral button. to be able to have that as your foundation creates this like safe, beautiful feeling where you actually feel so loved. At the end of the day, I think everyone's striving to create a family that can do what your

parents did. So it's a real testament to your parents that you guys can speak about them like this, that you're so, it's just so wonderful. And I think it'd be interesting to talk to your parents about their childhood because, you know, generationally things shift. And I bet they made some shifts in their life to be able to raise the kind of family that they did. And it probably would be a great lesson to everyone that, you know, you don't have to be your parents. You can raise your kids and your family exactly the way you want to.

I don't know. I want to, like, hug your parents. I want to hug them. I'm sure they want to hug you, too. We'll make the Texas trip happen for sure. I know. Love you guys. Thank you for coming. Love you guys.

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