Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Hilaria Baldwin: Manual Not Included

Episode Date: June 16, 2025

Parenting seven kids at home with the paparazzi parked outside your home can't be easy, but Hilaria Baldwin makes it look fun. Oliver bonds with the headline-making wife of actor Alec Baldwin fresh off their reality show 'The Baldwins.' Hear what she says saved their family, finding her voice after tragedy, and filming the reality of being a Baldwin!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now.

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Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling reverie. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling reverie.

That's good. So Oliver Hudson here, solo mission. Me and me and me. not me myself and I it's me me me me I need to do more me me me because I

I don't take enough care of myself I need to go me me me me me me you know what I can do this whole fucking intro right now and do a whole thing but we have a guest waiting in the waiting room and I need to get to her

because I'm excited to have conversations and talk about life and bigger things and unscripted shows with husbands and books and let's get into it please bring on mrs baltman laria baltman hello hi how are you i'm good are you i'm good i'm sorry i'm late that's okay i did a whole panel for my gut health for you know they did blood they did this they did that unfortunately it was stew i mean it was everything so i had a consultation

after the fact to go over every piece of my body hoping that there wasn't some shit that is going to I'm going to not have much longer to live but so I was going through the whole

process and it was very interesting it can be interesting that kind of thing always scares me did you see have you seen the like full body scan things they're doing in Europe yeah well the there's the pre-newvo stuff too

I mean, I don't know all the names, but I was looking at this and I was like, you know what, this would probably terrify me, but they say within like an hour or something like that, you know so much about your health. Yeah, yeah, no, I did it. I did a full body scan, I think, last year. And yeah, then you sit down with the technician. And the lead up is scary as shit. You're just thinking, okay, you know. Any sort of health scares. We all have like little, you know, I feel like we all have our things. things and especially once you, at least for women, once we have kids, there's not only things for us, but then there's things for the kids too. And it's all scary. The best doctors or people calling me, the nurses, whoever's calling to give the result, they will just like pick up the phone

and they're like, everything's fine. Yeah. I'm like, good, thank you. No, I know, don't ask me how I'm doing. Nothing. Just everything is fine. You're like, okay. Yes, exactly. I can get into it. I love that. I know, I totally agree. I mean, because you're just waiting for some sort of a shoe to drop. And then the doctor's not calling you after you've done your blood work and whatever. And like, oh, my God, something's wrong. And, you know, I mean, I have anxiety around health for sure. Gary.

It's like, you know, we so much focus on all these material things and our stresses and what people think and stuff like that. And ultimately, our health is number one. But, you know, I even say with, you know, the way that we've learned to communicate, Kate in with my friends and my husband and in my family is I'm like start at the end and then let's get to the story so you know my my son recently broke his collarbone and I wasn't there so if we start with okay Romeo is having XYZ and then we can go back just you know once you start it from the beginning and you're like you're guessing and guessing and guessing it's like start what's happened and then go back and learn and I've that's actually helped me tremendously with anxiety because

you just get there. There's no lead up. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I like that. Yeah, it's like when you get a call from the school, which has happened fucking too many times with my insane children, although they're great kids that get straight A's and they're amazing.

So you get that call from the school. And immediately you see the school on the ID and you pick it up. And the first thing they say is, why is my one of my sons, Wilder? He goes, wilder's fine. like okay good see skip to the end and then let's get to like what we have to deal with no that's great good for me was when the nurse calls so I have six in the same school and um so the nurse calls and she's like it's I'm like which one is it's like I'm like great yeah which one is it gonna be no I I get it I know and when I had kids I have three kids

I have to say that this fear of death, honestly, is gotten worse. And it's not even a selfish thing. It's more about my children. You know what I mean? Like, I go to this place of I need to be here for them to continue on, you know, imparting whatever wisdom or insanity that I'm going to give them. But, you know, I think that that is an issue. wish, I don't think you can truly, truly live until you have sort of gotten over the sphere

of death. You know, there's liberation there. Yeah, no, it's, I think I bring my, um, my kids to cemeteries a lot. Um, it was, and I feel like, and first of all, I, I do, I, I feel very much like you do. It's, you know, it's, it's, it's, once you become a parent, I think that the, how fragile life can is can be very um you know it becomes very uh it comes into my fears all the time but i um i really feel like you know we spend time in cemeteries and you know everything from like the history of it and just also acknowledging like this is part of life you know this is part of life and there's a tremendous amount of peace there as well and not being afraid um you know if not of death, but of people who have died, you know, and because I don't want anyone to be

afraid of me when I died. So I try to have that kind of connection with them. But no, I mean, this is the, this is the human thing. Do you have fears and anxieties, you know? I mean, is this part of your, of your life is managing yourself to be the best for your kids and your husband? I mean, yeah, I mean, I, so I turn. 41 this year. And I feel like for what I hear from other women, I feel like 40 is a big

growing up phase in life. I've had my kids. I doubt I'll have any more. And I have also, not only do I have a lot of kids, but I've been thrust into many experiences in life that I had zero preparation for. I don't know if anyone would. And so, yeah, no, I mean, it's definitely the fears of, am I able to do this? Am I good enough for this? You know, the title of my book, where's the manual for this? Daniel's not included. Like it says to anyone, you know, who can I call to get advice for this?

And, you know, there isn't anyone. But that's where I think, you know, my yoga practice, breathing, running, gratitude. I've always been just a very grateful person. anytime things are going bad and you know somebody came up with you know came and told me about toxic oh don't be so toxic positive but i'm like if i'm not positive somewhere or find beauty somewhere it's just going to get so dark you know so i tried to cling on to some sort of beauty and positivity uh wherever i can find it so yeah no i mean it's definitely it's definitely there but then i also think about the the perspective of the experience that i want my kids to

remember when they're in their 20s and 30s and beyond and think how to How was my mom? How was my childhood? I'll fain happiness sometimes just because I want them to feel that joy. And they're very smart. Sometimes I'm like, oh, yeah. But at least off as, oh, no, they know. They know.

They know. Their intuition is so strong and spot on. And they feel so much. And they pay attention way more than we think that they're paying attention. And my kids will sometimes my daughter, what's wrong, dad? I'm like, how did you know? You know what I mean? Like they can feel that, that energy.

And I guess sometimes, yeah, you got to put on the good face. And then sometimes you just got to say, yeah, I'm not good right now. And that's okay. Yeah, I'm a big believer in a healthy dose of that because I think by not telling them, you question their sense of feeling and their own intuition. But we talk a lot in our family as well about that your feelings can lie to you, which I didn't grow up. Everything is like, oh, you trust your feelings, trust your good.

Sometimes your feelings are anxiety and they're not true. Yes. Sometimes your feelings are, I feel like a horrible piece of shit today. And this is just so awful and I'm the stupidest. That's not a true feeling. You know, you can validate. that where that is coming from and that that is, you know, an anxiety, but that's an anxiety that's not a true feeling.

Yeah. And so I talk about that with my kids as well because, I mean, ultimately what we want them to become is the problem solvers. Yeah. If they can solve, you know, what do I want to do in my life? What makes me happy? Who are good people to surround myself with? You know, how can I treat other people and be a good citizen of this world?

Then we're doing a really good job, I think, as parents. That's what we try. That's what we strive for, you know. And we all do it differently, which is so interesting as well. All parents do it differently. There is no, well, it's interesting, you know, about your book, you know, using the word manual, right? Because there is no manual. I mean, and I raise my kids so differently than my sister does.

Right. And they're all great kids, you know. But I have different theories and I have different instincts than you might. and that Kate might or than anyone might. Right. Yeah. You know, and it's just sometimes, and it's not about if we're fucking them up. I think it's just to what degree.

You know what I mean? We are screwing them up one way or another. It's just part of the life, you know. Right. Well, you might find as well that, you know, with your children, they're also different. So you're going to have to parent each one of them different. Oh, yes.

You know, I have a big brother and I look up to him. And I think that he's, since this is a sibling show, since he I think like the world of him and he has a my nephew who's 20 and he is just like such a good dad and I got so inspired by how he parents because it's you know really about being together and connection and you know my my nephew was really close to him like sleep in bed in the bed with him so you know everybody's judging and my brother's like he's not going to sleep in bed with me when he's saying college, you know what I mean? Exactly. And it's like he understood that these, so he taught me a lot about phases and, you know, just kind of really being present for the individual child that you have. And so I'm different with, in some ways, with all of my kids. I've had to hone in and, you know, just like. Yeah, yeah. Without a doubt, I mean, I would do it. My wife and I talk about it all the time, how differently we would have done it with our first kid, knowing what we know now.

I mean, it's night and day from number one to number three. And you got number one to number seven. So I'm sure there was a lot of evolution from one to seven. Yeah, no, no, no. But that's the thing is like teaching our kids that we are evolving and we are, you know, imperfect. I was reading something about how people who have good relationships to their parents as adults and what their parents did well as children when they were children. And it was about saying that you're sorry and admitting that when they were wrong and fallible.

And I think that that's one of the big, you know, keys. I try to include my kids in an empowering way in their growth. So, you know, yes, they have to do their homework. Yes, they have to eat their vegetables. Yes, they have to go to bed. All of these. There are rules. Trust me, there are rules.

But the more that I can encourage them to feel a purpose in their own growth and the why, the why and taking the time even when I'm hearing seven whys at the same time about seven different completely different subjects and they're yelling at me at the same time so you can imagine a spinner not only have seven I've seven very close together yeah um but that's something that um you know hopefully will hopefully will turn out well for our relationship yeah and then so you have you have one sibling I have one sibling yeah and so take us back

take us back where were you where were you born where did you grow up so i'm born in boston my whole family lives in spain um okay which was a big part of my childhood um as well as where my whole family lives and um we um yeah um yeah um yeah my brother lives there um no he's lived there most of his life and i've lived here most did you live in boston i live in boston boston yeah yeah yeah yeah do you know boston at all well that's my my in law so my wife grew up they grew up in boston my in law like we were in brockton and And then my wife was in Long Meadow, which is just, uh, I know it. Yeah. And then now we go to, we go to the Cape. We go to Falmouth every summer for three weeks.

But where are you, where are you located now? I'm in L.A. Born and raised, L.A. And are you, how was everything there? It was crazy. Yeah. The fires were definitely affected us. One of my brother's houses went down. Oh, I'm so sad. I know. It sucks. Then my parents, Kate, myself, our houses were not directly affected. but some smoke damage and stuff like that you guys all live very near each other yeah we're all sort of eight 10 minutes away everybody i love that that's so nice i tell that to my my kids and are having conversation this morning because my my son my eldest son went away to like this i don't know if your kids did like a two-day you go away with your your uh your class like a camp place yeah yes and stuff like that and i was a wreck and it's so weird because i have seven kids and you

would think that like six kids is still like noisy and it's like so quiet even with one and he's even like one more quiet of of the bunch yeah it was just such a weird changing the dynamic and he came back yesterday and i said to him i said you know that's it all of you guys we're going to live in a compound because they're all going to live with me forever i love that no i know i mean and only do you truly understand the love that your parents have for you once you have your own children you know when we grow up and and and you know you know you know You know, your parents are loving on you, and they're concerned about you, and they just want you to sort of be good human beings and be well off and be positive. And you're like, oh, mom, I got it, I got it.

And then when you have children and then you are in their shoes, the appreciation now that I have for my parents, you know, the love that has deepened for them once I've had my kids is astronomical because I understand it now. I understand that you love so hard that you don't even know what to do with. You know what I mean? Also just, you know, and I talk about, you know, being fallible and just not understanding what to do. And I always try to think about, you know, my parents, my friends' parents, when we're at my friends and I, you know, everybody, we all have conversations and everything. And I think, you know, if I don't, none of us know what we're doing most of the time. Yeah, of course not. We're trying our best.

And so I think becoming a parent is also a really good do. of, you know, looking back and thinking, well, my parents were in their 20s and 30s and 40s and I and beyond, hopefully, you know, and, you know, the same thing. Like, when I look at some of these very difficult experiences I've had, I hope my kids just know that I was trying my best. And I hope that they know that there was no manual. And in the end, I just wanted everybody to be okay. and and you know it's a little bit of you know trial and error i have a story in in the book

we had i think on our show yeah it was on our show as well about how you know i have we have paparazzi downstairs sometimes and i'm always trying to take care of aleck and try to get him out of house without these you know because they're the name of the games they don't care what they say they're just trying to get a reaction at it yep yep and i had one morning where i was like all out of like all my tricks and I don't know how these things come to mind but I just come up with like the craziest stuff to do sometimes and I'm like crazy enough to try it so I was like you know what I don't know what to do and it's so cold outside I go upstairs and I'm going to put something crazy on and then I'm going to try to lead lure them away from the house and then get an Uber

to come at the same time so they don't recognize our car and all can go in and they will be here and so I put on fish nets and this tiny little skirt and this like I look ridiculous especially because it's like 11 different side and freezing and I'm walking and very slowly and pretend to be on the phone and I'm walking walking walking to the corner and you and sure enough they start following I'm like this is like 30% chance of working yeah and they follow me and they're taking pictures and I kind of turn around and I'm gazing at the door and see I like like dirt into a car and drive away and I just like turned around and it was like I mean in somewhere he's like, again, leaning into trying to find silly ways to do in the stressful situations.

But he, and then, of course, they love to, like, call me a slut and stuff like that. Like, look, she just wants to. Of course. I'm like, but now I can tell you what I was doing. Yeah. Jokes on you guys. You made a game. You made a game out of it.

It made a game out of it. And so there's some, by the way, I try these things and sometimes it doesn't go well either. So, you know, or I don't win. But that was one where I won. But, again, that's like an example of, like, I hope. people look back and be like, you know what? She's not crazy, but she's trying her very best. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And by the way, you know, because it was a different time, obviously, then. But I grew up with famous parents. So I had to deal with paparazzi and, you know, people in general, fans in general, coming up to my mom and Kurt. And whatever that meant to me and felt to me as a young kid might have been irrational, but there were my feelings where I just didn't. want people invading our space. And it gave me sort of just angry feelings a lot of the time.

And it's a thing that you have to navigate as parents, especially now in the spotlight. Right. So how do you guys deal with that? Talk to your kids about it, you know, or is it just kind of, hey, guys, this is what it is? Inside our four walls, it's all, it is what it is. And when we go outside, you know, sorry. Sorry not sorry, but this is our fucking life. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's, I know, after I answer, I'd love to get your opinions. You lived it as a child and I did not grow up as a famous person. So I have no idea what I'm doing or with famous parents. But my, I think it depends on what's going on. And I think because these past few years have been so difficult, we've, a lot of the attention that is coming at a. was very, very aggressive. Because it entered into a new realm where there was a feeling of entitlement to go another

step of the violation, you know, to really, like, is it all of it's a violation? Taking a picture without somebody's consent is a violation, right? But then it gets to be like, we're like shoving you violations, you know what I mean? And so with the kids, you know, if they're far away, we kind of like talk about it. them because they see it bothers us and that's our fault right we should one of the things where I've made a mistake is I should just take a deep breath and that like burning sort of like why are you doing this to me um saying I need to learn how to calm down so that's what I'm working on in my my my therapy in your in your therapy and your meditation and your journaling

in your wellness journey exactly and it's another step when they're like screaming stuff at us that the kids are there, like, you know, that kind of thing. And there's no level of humanity. I'll say that I'm like, you know, my kids are there. No, we don't care. They say, I don't care about your kids. They will actually say it. And then they cut that part out when they sell.

So I think some of it is explaining the business. But I think it goes back to what you were saying before. Kids are smart. Kids are smart. They see things, you know, I mean, how many kids are famous parents or famous kids, you see them like giving the middle finger to like a paparazzi or something. my kids definitely have. I'm like,

I do that. But I've shot at them. They feel my boys. I have four boys. And it is so funny how they feel, you know, they're nine, eight, six,

and four. And they feel very protective over their parents. Yeah. In certain ways, like that they're just like, especially like me, they're like,

well, this is my mom. And they're like, yeah, I get that. Yeah. So I don't, I don't know what the right answer is.

I mean, it's a somebody says when you're doing an imperfect system. Like, you know, you're not going to make it back. If it's just bad already and there's, you know, people behaving badly, you can't really fix it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

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Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that...

that no one expected to hear. The 22nd of July 2015, 23-year-old man had killed his family. And then he came to my house. So what do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack, where stand-up comedy and murder takes center stage.

Available now. Listen to Wisecrack, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is a tape recorder statement. The person being interviewed is Krista Gail Pike, which is in regards to the death of Colleen Slimmer. She started going off on Eve and I hit her. I just hit her and hit her and hit her and hit her.

On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer, in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row. The state has asked for an execution date for Krista. We let people languish in prison for decades, raising questions about who we consider fundamentally unrestorable. How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now.

Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All I know is what I've been told, and that's a half-truth is a whole lie. For almost a decade, the murder of an 18-year-old girl from a small town in Graves County, Kentucky, went unsolved. until a local homemaker, a journalist, and a handful of girls came forward with a story. I'm telling you, we know Quincy Kilder, we know. A story that law enforcement used to convict six people, and that got the citizen investigator on national TV.

Through sheer persistence and nerve, this Kentucky housewife helped give justice to Jessica Curran. My name is Maggie Freeling. I'm a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, producer, and, And I wouldn't be here if the truth were that easy to find. I did not know her and I did not kill her, or rape or burn or any of that other stuff that you all said. They literally made me say that I took a match and struck and threw it on her. They made me say that I poured gas on her. From Lava for Good, this is Graves County, a show about just how far our legal system

will go in order to find someone to blame. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County in the Bone Valley feed on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to binge the entire season ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Do you see it affecting either of your kids differently, you know, where some are better with it than others? I mean, I think when they're little, it's, obviously, it's better because they don't get it.

Yeah. And, yeah, I mean, they go through phases. But I think that the more we stay together and understand it and talk about the business of the clicks and selling the ad, advertising and the clickbait and really what that is and they can understand it help me I don't understand it you know when when people told me I was good clickbait I was like what is that even those first time I even heard this thing like no so you're somebody that you know in in a community of a lot of people that when they put something about you they know that they're going to click on it when they click on it that generates ads and it's just like it ends up being this

whole whole thing um and it just helps you to understand it I think the system a little bit more, but I think it's just something that hopefully they will be able to separate from and say that's his choices that these people are making over here, and I'm going to go on in my life. I think doing the reality show was very helpful to us. Was it? Yeah, it gave us the, it was very cathartic, and I think it gave us the ability to speak when we were told not to. And I think speaking and continuing on, even if, you know, when we're filming it was in private it was in a private place with these people who we trust in who we do trust of obviously they're wonderful people they we um i think that was that was very very

uh life-saving for us oh cool this is interesting to talk about honestly because you you you i think from a just uh from a standpoint of watching someone exposed their lives on television um you know the perception is is that one is doing that for some sort of notoriety but there's a there's another you know there's another level to it there's depth to it you know especially for someone like you family like you guys who have been so exposed without consent yes and so now it's it's your time it's interesting that you bring up that word because and I don't I don't have any I can't speak to other reality shows I don't watch a lot of reality shows um I'm tired I go to bed I don't, like, actually do much.

I'm very boring sometimes. It was like, turn off. But I, so our showrunner, Sarah Reddy, when we met in person for the first time, we sat on the rug in my living room. She said the most important word of the season is consent. And I didn't really, you know, understand anything about reality. But I was like, I don't think that was the word that I would have gone to as the first word. that's the most important word.

And she said, yes, especially with the children, we always ask consent before we film. So much so to the point where Rapha, our eldest, and you'll notice he's not in it that much. Because we didn't have it. Like, he was like, no, I mean, I don't want to or he would leave. And it was just very much, even if they didn't want to actually say it, he would, you know, just kind of have his own space.

And there was a tremendous sense of feeling people's energy. that's at. And he will watch it now. And he's like, why am I not in this? I'm like, because we have consent. And he was like, disappointed. And he's like, why am I not in this morning? And I was like, because that wasn't the place that you were in right now, right at that point. But no, it was very much, you know, one of the reasons that she told me that is she said, when you want to get true, you don't want to put somebody in fight or flight. You want to put them in a place of calm and then they can be authentic and share with you. And so I think that that's why. the show feels so authentic.

I think this is why this book is so authentic is because it's consent. I'm sharing with you and I'm a very open person. You know, I love that. That's why I love to teach yoga. You know, I get to meet a whole other person and we get to share something together and maybe your life is going to get this much better and my life is going to get this much better, even just our energy is connecting. I love that.

And so that's what I want to continue on, you know, even though I don't. teachers with yoga anymore. I want to bring that into all areas of my life. Mm-hmm. I mean, did you know what you were signing up for? You know, you fell in love and you just met a man and, you know, who's handsome and fun and funny as shit, by the way, and talented is all get up. And then you're like, whoa, shit, this is not what I signed up for. Well, I mean, I don't think when, I mean, I don't know how people at home who are listening to this field, but like, I never thought with anything. anyone I was dating, like, I'm signing up for X, Y, Z, right?

Like, regardless of what their profession is, like, I'm not like, oh, doing this is signing up to be, whatever. I mean, I think, like, politics has, like, a separate thing over there. But every other profession, I don't understand, like, thinking, you know, when you're starting to date somebody that you're signing up for something. But, so no, and I also, you know, the reality show, we've just said, okay, and I do a lot of things without thinking them through sometimes, which I think is, you know, it's a little impulsive, but it's also very spontaneous and, you know, I'm here to try things and stuff like

that. So, you know, I mean, I was just trying it out. This wasn't like somebody came with a contract and was like, this is what it's going to be. Also, you know, I grew up not watching TV. Um, and I, um, I still don't really watch TV to this day. Um, and I think that, therefore I wasn't really aware as much of that world of course I knew he was famous of course I didn't understand I don't think anyone could but especially I think because I was so far removed and I was just teaching yoga all the time yeah but I didn't yeah I didn't really understand what people say oh you signed up for it what comes with it you know you're asking for it all of these like really wonderful things to hear and I'm like no I know

How do you deal with that? Like the scrutiny, you know what I mean? In the press and all the shit that goes down, you know, you get calloused to it. You know, you start to understand a little bit better and it doesn't really affect you or I'm not speaking for you. I'm saying maybe generally. But the first couple times where you're like, I didn't do anything. Like, why are you, why is everyone so angry? I mean, how are you able to sort of deal with that?

Did you have a natural capacity to sort of say, hey, you know what? it. No, I wish. I wish. I feel like sometimes I'm developing that a little bit more. I think people... Did it hurt? It was hurtful. It is, it is hurtful. I mean, I'm somebody I'm like, hey, let's all, let's all be together. Let's be like happy and together. Like, why are we doing this? I would never do this to anyone. Why are you going to do it to me? But I, I mean, I'm a pretty defiant person. And I, you know, I have, I've been talking about recently, I have ADHD and I will like hyper-focused on certain things and I'm also extremely literal. Yeah, we're sorry to interrupt, but we just had a guy, you know, a doctor who is like a prominent.

No, I saw him. We love him. Oh, he's so great. And because I didn't know, I've never been diagnosed or anything, but it just feels like my brain is a little weird and I'm a creative. And he was explaining how a lot of creatives are just naturally, they have ADD, ADHD. but the way he reframed it as a superpower and not something that's debilitating you know what I mean yeah which I love because growing up it was not a superpower yeah you know there was not that anywhere near one of our kids is diagnosed with ADHD and and it was only then that I started realizing that this

got a whole new world of I think you know information understanding Celebration. I mean, I don't want to, you know, there are things that I know that me and many other people I know who we're wired very similarly, it helps us, you know, and it is being creative. It is being spontaneous. It's really thinking about things in a completely different way.

There's a resilience because I think people sometimes who struggle, you know, some of the best teachers that you can have have struggled so much. in their life people things just come like this to them i mean they're like why don't you get it too yeah but people who've had to like really figure it out and struggle and know how hard it is come to conveying information to another person with real empathy so no that's that i was very happy i was i was um doing my recent before i saw you had him on and i love him yeah he was awesome yeah the whole idea about putting glasses on and that is really really true you know um and it's not, you know, just medication, which works for some people and it doesn't work for other

people, but it's just an understanding. You know, all go on tangents. And now that I can understand this stuff a little bit better, I then will like catch myself going on a tangent. And I'd be like, okay, let me be like bring it all the way down. Land the plane. Exactly. No, I know. I know. But it is. It is interesting what happens when you are able to look at it. something positive you know even even just that feeling and that thought you just changes the way that you feel and think immediately you know well it's feeling

valuable rather than like the stupid one in class yeah and you also just give yourself a little grace you're just oh wait I'm yeah and then telling people you know I I think being able to say it to people like I also I also have dyslexia and I'm not a great reader. I can read pretty well in my head, but then I also realized that I'm, like, switching things, and I, like, think that it means one thing and it actually means the opposite, because I realize there was a note in there or something that completely changes everything. But, and I did the audio book for my book, so you can imagine how. Oh, great. Yeah. Oh, my God. Serious things for me, and I, like, came in, like, apologizing. I'm like, just want you to know

that, like, I'm not the best, like, a loud reader. And they were so lovely. And they actually told me that a lot of people in this field of, you know, I don't like to call myself a celebrity, but in like those, that genre, public figure books or whatever we're called, they actually also are very, a lot of them have these little differences that I have. So, so anyway, they were really, like, lovely and patient with me. And, but, but yeah, I'm so grateful that people are talking about it now. Oh, yeah. Well, talk about the book. Talk about the inspiration behind it. know how this all came about? So I mean, I guess maybe maybe I'm learning.

I'm doing a therapy session right now because I, you know, I agreed to do, I know I'm going on a tangent, noticing, seeing. I love it. By the way, I'm a tangent, motherfucker. Like, I go on tangent. That will be good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The, we agreed to do the reality show without thinking about it.

And we started filming it two weeks. before the trial started, which was just like, I look back and I'm like, like, I didn't think of it from. I was like, what was I thinking? I didn't really realize the time frame until like it came time. And I was just like, oh my God, this was like, what are we going to do now? We're like not film the rest of it. If he goes to jail, like what am we supposed to do? It wasn't really, really. So I actually started writing this book right after, right after the tragedy happened. And I was there. I was there. I was shooting a TV show in in New Mexico right in so really were you yeah it was just an awful

tragic project and I but I think that you know this book helped me very much get um be a better person parent partner because it was almost like a journal that I could be that I could be doing and it really started to connect it was just basically like thought vomit for years because every i mean i had a baby during this you know what i mean like there was like there's so much stuff happened during the course of writing this book and you know i'm a because i'm a very open person um and very unfiltered i um i i a lot of it was kind of you know after the trial it really sat down and I it all came together and I would do like 10 pages a day which for me somebody like me that's a lot and it was that just like I know now what to say whereas I could put feeling but these is I knew what

to say in this in this time or at least I hope I I said the right things and I also think that you know leaning into you know my my neurodivergence it is written in very like little you know pieces a little stories and that helps me as well because I struggle sometimes with just connect doing that um seamless storytelling connecting things where I can like here here here here here that all works sense here um so it is written very much in um in my my voice because I wrote it but in the way that I think is well, the structure of it. That's great. And I hope that I shared stories that feel, you know,

even though I've had extraordinarily unrelatable things happen to me in my life, but I think that the themes are hopefully things that, you know, what's the whole? Yeah, I don't think, I think that that sells yourself a little short as far as as unrelatable goes because that's just, I think there, again, there is a perception of someone who is in the public eye who does have, you know, fortune who does have some fame that they don't feel anything that they don't have the same sort of you know issues and and hardships and afflictions that that that everyone else has and and so we're not allowed to talk about it there's pain in all of us right absolutely there's

relatability in all of our pain you know yes yeah no and i i'm strong believer that if whoever is listening is going to come into it either wanting to see humanity or not. And then there you go. But I hope, and I do think that, you know, whether it is silly parenting stories that I share or, you know, issues that Alec and I have had in our relationship or tremendous tragedy or becoming a mother, you know, losing pregnancies. These are things that, you know, everybody unfortunately knows what it's like to experience tragedy. Our version of it might be different, but the overall, you know, theme is tragedy.

The overall theme is problems in marriage, the overall theme. And I think the reason that I wanted to share was because it's people sharing with me that helps me get through my hard times. You know, I think when people come up to me and they'll say, something very kind. I always want to tell them, you know, I'm so grateful for that. And I'm able to do these things and, you know, be this person because other people have inspired me. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in,

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And to binge the entire season ad free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus. us on Apple Podcasts. The idea is we're hearing all of your stories. We're getting a little snapshot of your life. We're hearing it in your voice and, you know, very digestible chunks. So it's not this free-flowing sort of book. and it's basically the idea is I thought that I knew you had this idea of how to go about something but until you're in it you really don't know there is no manual like you think that there's an

okay when I have kids this is how I'm going to feel when I get married this is how it's going to be you know and it's just never what you think it is yeah no exactly and being open and curious and self-forgiving of when you know when you get it wrong and you know not beating myself up feeling sometimes like I let myself down you know I let somebody get to me and I'm like oh I told myself I would never let that happen again um you know I mean these are this is just a human book and it's also you know the question that you asked me before about you know was I prepared for any of this of what I was signing up for and that's you know I really wanted nothing to do with this business

that now I very much enjoy. As much as we talk about the negative things, there's so much amazing things about this business. So much. And I really am so grateful for it. And I've really enjoyed myself. But, you know, there is, you know, I was very frightened of it at the beginning. I didn't really know anything I was getting into. And I remember that um i was encouraged once we got i think it's when we're getting engaged um to do a piece with extra that i that i worked for for many years afterwards because i became friendly with them and they basically said if you give this story then everybody will leave you alone

and that's what i did the first thing i was like great i will do this and then everybody will just leave me alone i can go back to teaching you again that's it obviously that was that was not a true promise and I also leaned into it as well I'd have to take responsibility for it but it is um I was my initial thing and so you know I look at this past 14 years plus that I've known alec and a lot of other people have been doing the talking for me right if they talk about you they talk for you sometimes it's true sometimes it's not true sometimes it's not true sometimes it's positive sometimes it's not positive right we have all of the things but the most important thing is that they're talking for me yeah and that's where i you know wanted to like you know what i'm

going to talk for myself so the book is i'm talking for myself yeah the show is we're talking that's my new i'm in my 40s yeah now talking for myself thank you very much i love that and then moving forward 40 and on do you have sort of goals or aspirations of sort of how you want to shift it or or live your life you know what i mean like you're done with having kids or or so you say right So that's done. You know, what's new? Like, is there, is there a piece of you when you turn 40? We're like, you know what?

This is who I want to be now. I feel like one of the gaps that people don't talk about very much for women. I don't know how you feel for men, but for women is we are kids. We, you know, get educated. We're going to go to college. And again, my generation can go to college. I know that I'm very lucky in this way to have had that as a dream that is achievable. And my, then I'm going to eat married and I'm going to have kids.

And then it's over. Yeah. Nobody talks about the after part. So that's what I'm like in the age of discovering, you know, that right now. And I feel that there's a lot of raising to be done with these children that I have put in. Yeah. Right? So we're in the raising phase.

And I think, you know, I think just in terms of feeling every single day, I don't want to feel like the world is out. to get me, which has, or out to get my family, which has been a dark thought that I've had for a very long time. And as much as I try to be positive, and that is my vulnerable state of just, oh, God, they're trying, you know, we'll have people come up to us on the street and we're just walking with a kid and, you know, they're up to no good and they just start screaming, and it's like, you know, tabloid press. They're screaming stuff and they're just trying to get a reaction and you can go from a sunny beautiful day to all of a sudden they're in your face you weren't expecting it like i don't want that anymore and i know that i can't make them go away

there's absolutely nothing and i'm like the obitish i'm like don't see my humanity and they're like i don't care about you know what it's very painful but i so i want to try to lean more and more into just surrounding myself by like really good and positive people always remembering that even when there's negativity there's so much more positive people and so much more kind people And so I just have to lean into that more and more. And I'm the one that has to trade that. You know, I can't expect the world is going to do it for me because they're not. Exactly.

Exactly. This is just a choice because there are things we can control and things we can't. Obviously, we, you cannot control anyone coming up to you, the way that they feel about you, how they approach you and your family, the disrespect, the invasion. You can't control that. The only you control is how you react. how you react, how you bring that in. That's it.

I mean, because the answer is not being a home body and just fucking staying inside all day. That's not who you are. And that's not who we are as humans. We want to get out. We want to experience. So it's just about sort of, you know, making the choice. Yeah. No, it's very true.

It's very true. All right. One more question. What do you think the biggest sort of misconception of you is? you know because like you just said it people speak for you about you and then it builds a perception of you that is not necessarily true what would you say is the biggest misconception I mean I think if I were to look at a 27 year old yoga instructor who was dating a 53 year old rich and famous man

what would I think right and so anytime people think things about me I try to give them the empathy and the compassion of without the experiences that I have

what would I think about somebody in my shoes and so you know I I have zero interest in setting records straight and then this and then that is like again people are going to see you they're not going to like you they're not going to like you they're going to like you they're going to like you they're going to want to take you in or they're not going to take you in but i think that you know

all i wanted to do is belong and be who i always am and you know i enjoyed so much i started teaching yoga at five o'clock in the morning and i finished at 10 30 p.m. most days and I worked 365 days out of the year. I loved it so much. I'd get paid $35 a class. And I really, you know, enjoy just being there and helping people feel better. And that is something that I, it still guides me, you know, again, I'm raised by, I'm raised by, my parents are very hippy and I am very much a product of that. And so, I mean, I just, I guess, you know, I think, that I have been brought into a world that sometimes people want to look at you as you're you know conniving and trying things and you see it about other women who start dating

rich and famous men I feel like it's very a little different when it's a man coming in dating a rich and famous woman right it's a little different where there's a very specific thing and I think it's these fairy tales that we grow up with and you know the prince choosing one of them and I think that it's you know this idea that you know women we sometimes feel like you know we're it's it's a well you know sometimes men can be like a well and we're like okay we've got to get the first to the well and um you know I hope that more and more we can establish you know equal rights where we don't have to compete or have feel that that competing with each other for something.

So I don't know. I try not to read too much about other people's opinions because, you know, but I think that I try to understand what people say. And, you know, I encourage people to read the book. Yeah, read the book. And I also think that you make a great point. You know what I mean? Like the fact that you can sort of put yourself in their shoes and understand where

they're coming from and what you might think, given the fact, given that you aren't who you are. right i think that that's smart you know i think that does bring on some empathy and it's like you know they might be wrong they might have these opinions that are built out of something that is bullshit but you know maybe i would think the same thing get to know me understand who i am you know and that's that's it and there's nothing you can do about it except be you that's it exactly and there's nothing else that i that i want to do you know and i want my kids to know how to do that i'm just like it is what it is you know it is what it is yeah and that's it that's it because

the truth is we don't money all that shit that we we the true legacy what we truly leave behind it's not awards it's not fame it's not money it's our children they're the ones who are carrying us on essentially you know what i mean and then our grandchildren and great grand i mean we are the legacy and if we need to give them we need to give them a piece of us to to impart wisdom into them that they can take or not right then they will continue on Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, cool. This has been rad. I appreciate you. Come on and talking to me. I appreciate you. Thank you for your time. Be well. Good luck with the book. Good talking to you.

All right. Thank you. Bye. Take care. Bye. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment. A new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with Paul Tim. artists and activists to bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. The moment is a space for the conversations we've been having us father and daughter for years. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian, He finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now.

Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Introducing IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. It grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally, like, in the right hands. You're just not. Listen to IvyF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On a cold January day in 1995, 18-year-old Krista Pike killed 19-year-old Colleen Slimmer in the woods of Knoxville, Tennessee. Since her conviction, Krista has been sitting on death row.

How does someone prove that they deserve to live? We are starting the recording now. Please state your first and last name. Krista Pike. Listen to Unrestorable Season 2, Proof of Life, on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The murder of an 18-year-old girl in graves, County, Kentucky went unsolved for years, until a local housewife, a journalist, and a handful of

girls came forward with a story. America, y'all better work the hell up. Bad things happens to good people in small towns. Listen to Graves County on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And to binge the entire season, ad-free, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. This is an IHeart podcast.