Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - History Repeats Itself with Christine Taylor

Episode Date: February 3, 2025

From the hit show 'Hey Dude,' to classic comedies like 'The Wedding Singer,' Christine Taylor knows the ins and outs of Hollywood, but does she really want her kids to follow in her footsteps? Plus, Christine reveals a secret her brother shared after several years that left her shocked! And speaking of secrets, Christine talks 'Severance' spoilers courtesy of her hubby, Ben Stiller. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Burn Sage Burn Bridges on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kate Hudson. And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And would it's like to be siblings?

We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling Reveory. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling Reveory. That's good. Hey. Let's start.

What's up? We already started in the lobby and in an elevator. Does anyone ever call you CTS? No, but but C.J. C.J.T. because my, well, CJ is what everybody and my close friends and family call me because my middle name is Joan.

Is it? Which was my initial screen actor's guild name. No. Joan? No, Christine Joan Taylor. Christine Joan Taylor. Because there's other Christine Taylor. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Many. Well, my middle name is Rutledge. Yeah. And that was not my screen name. Oliver Rutledge Hudson. Oh, look, speaking of middle names. I was not expecting this professional back.

Look at us. No, we're in the studio, baby. You guys are so real and pro. But when you popped on, we were just talking about middle names and I haven't revealed yours yet because it's not, it's an interesting one. Wait, well, we're at Rutledge. Rutledge, we got Oliver Rutledge Hudson, you know.

You want to give up your middle name? Let the world know. So my middle name is Kate Gary Hudson, G-A-R-R-R-Y. Yeah. Double R. Double R. A double R. I would have not, if I had seen it, I would have said Garry.

Kate Garry. From now on, that's what it is. Kate Garry. Wait, Kate, what is the origin of that? Like, I don't even know. Uncle Gary, who we never knew, was mom's favorite uncle. And so she just decided to name me. Did she check your problem?

privates before she gave you the middle name. Rutledge was my grandfather's name. Yeah, Edward Rutland. And we were lied to that we related to the youngest sign of the Declaration of Independence, who was Edward Rutledge, which I think we found out was not true, right? It's not true. We have all kinds of crazy lore. No, we have so much law.

It's like our great uncle was the head of a crime family. Apparently, we're related to Edgar Allan Poe. I mean, I don't know. It's all bullshit. It's so nice to see you. So nice to see you. The last time I saw you was, I think, for a heartbeat at the, was it, it was the U.S. Open, wasn't it? Yeah.

Or the tenant? It was like in the parking lot. And it was the big Novak Djokovic was supposed to win the calendar slam. And did not. Yeah. And we all, everybody flocked to see it because it was going to be amazing. It's a big moment. And he got demolished by.

Yeah. What a disappointment. He really did. You probably got a ton of letters from celebrities. Like, I wasted my time to watch this moment. You know what? The tennis matches are so fun. They're so civil.

I've never been, ever. I've never been to a tennis match. It's so much fun. And I love sports. I've never ever been. I really want to go. It is the most. I think it's so much fun.

Yeah, yeah. I'm also one of those, like, I play okay, but I love watching it, and I will watch every turn, like the Australian Open is going on right now, and it comes on, like, the live coverage starts here at 11.30 p.m. Yeah. So I'll watch a little before bed, I record it, and then I'll watch it. Oh, good for you. I'm a little bit of a nerd.

So you must have seen Match Point, the Netflix series. Of course. Oh, my God. I love it. It's so amazing. It's incredible. I haven't seen it. All of them.

Hey, you got to watch Match Point. It's really great. Really great. I haven't seen it. I had this image just looking at you and I remember saying this to Ben, your husband. I think maybe it was the last time I saw you guys, but I was reading all the research and all stuff and realized that Ella is 22 and graduated from college.

Wow. I, well, yeah, because we were all pregnant together. We were pregnant and had babies. And there was this one Halloween in New York that I will never forget because Ella loved to just take all her clothes off and didn't want to wear clothes. And we have this big Halloween party with a bunch of kids and Ella's running around naked and Ben's running around after her going, I don't know what it is. She just doesn't ever want to put clothes on. And it was funny because I remember, yeah, it was. But we have so many photographs of her naked with the little ugg boots.

So it was always like naked with the ugly. It was so cute. Naked baby. It was so cute and so Ben Stiller funny that this was his daughter that he couldn't get to be clothed. And then I just thought, oh my God, she's graduated from Juilliard and she's 22. She went to Juilliard. She did. Acting.

Wow. What a surprise, guys. What a shock. I know. I'm talking to the right crowd here. Yeah. It's just in there. It's like storytelling, the storytelling gene.

Or it's just, or you know what? It's just so much fun. And you get to like make believe and like play these different weird characters. And it's, they don't know anything else. Like that's the other thing. Well, yes. And I think with you guys too in particular, now I came from a. family of non-actors. I'm sort of like, but Ben's parents, like, so even grandma and grandpa

would come over and they'd, you know, they'd be doing characters and bits and dress up and made up names. Yeah. So, yeah, it's what they knew. And I do think, like, I'm sure there are families where kids see it and they're like, that's the last thing I want to do. Yeah. But, you know, they also got to see all sides of it because they got to, like, you know, Ben is in a different world than the way I do it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The struggles and the ups and downs and the successes and the failures. Of course. And yet they still went ahead and signed up. If for whatever reason, the business that you're in or this acting business that we're in or the movie business, it brings on any sort

of trauma, honestly, then you could move. There's more impetus for them to move away from it, meaning, oh, dad, mom, we're like never here. Like, this is not how I want to do it, you know? Right. Right. Fortunately, our kids. liked us being away, I guess. Oh, God. Well, actually, no, because mom and pa, when we were kids, they never worked at the same time. Yeah, they made a point not to do that.

Yeah. And we kind of did that, too. And, I mean, you know, it's really different for me, too. I realized, like, really early on. And Ben was, you know, this is the other thing, too. When I, you know, you have that first baby, you have no idea. People will tell you everything.

But I remember Ben, it was a very, busy time for him and he was like doing a lot of movies and I remember him looking at these like offers coming along and he was sort of like well so we're you know we'll have l in april and then i could do this movie here and then and he's like and you know it's like then then i can take some time off because like when they're that little is it really that big of a deal like do they really even know you right you don't think so but it's the most important time like that's that's when they're imprinting, the imprint happens. So it, you know, we made all of the mistakes in the world of it all. Have you seen it in your kids? I mean, speaking of Ella, but no, I mean, I think because, you know, she being the first, my mom was around all the time, you know, talking about siblings. My brother lived right next door to us. Oh, wow. So, and we had a, you know, babysitter nanny helping out. It's so. So it was sort of like Ben was off working and I had this like huge support system of family and friends and people and, you know, Ben would come home and want Ella to like, he'd want to hold her and she would like want to go to my brother.

You know, she's like, which one are you in the so. Yeah, no, when, when Rio was born, 10 days as my last one, 10 days after she was born, I had to go do Nashville in Nashville this show. And I was devastated. I mean, so devastated where the car pulls up and I'm crying and I'm saying, you know what? I don't care if ABC never hires me again. I don't care if my reps leave me. I don't give a fuck. I'm not going.

And Aaron was like, get your shit together, get in the car. I mean, like, everything's going to be fine. But it was two years of on and off going back and forth and Rio wanted nothing to do with me. I'd be like, come on, baby. And she'd just wanted mom. Didn't take it personally. Right. Animal.

It's some weird animal sounds. But you're right, though, it's not personal. I'm bearing the lead. She's actually a lemur. Yeah, it isn't personal. And it's also like then, you know, being there and showing up and then you're there and then it all changes. But it does take time. Well, before we deep dive into your childhood, I just want to say that, like, just want to say that, like,

Just on the same path, you know, my oldest son Wilder, I'm doing a movie in Toronto, a Christmas movie for Netflix. And I don't know why I had to say that. So it sounds like I'm doing something more prestigious, maybe, you know? Because Christmas plants are. I like, I like the, I like the. You're just playing to the sea for next year. I'm like, it's not homework.

It's Christmas, but it's Netflix. Okay. Yeah, they did a great one called Hot Frosty. So, anyway. I have a 17 year old and in the show I'm a 17 year old and my son has never acted. He did acting, he did acting class for six weeks prior. He auditioned, you know, one, two, three, four, five times and ended up getting the gig. So he's coming with me for six weeks and it's a big fucking part.

It's not like a small part. Wow. He's scared. I'm scared. You know, we're all scared. I'm scared. Because it's like, what is going on? I just don't want him to make that face.

I just don't want to. I just don't want him to make that face he makes when he takes pictures. Did he do a thing? He does this like thing where he's like, yes. And you're like, what is this face? Yeah.

You're so handsome. Stop. Stop. No, I know. Like almost like looking, trying to look a little mean, a little birding. Yeah, yeah. It's like he's got like kind of like a pouty mouth. I'm like first of all,

yeah, but he like pouts his mouth and he sort of like pulls it in. Yeah, it's like a little. Model thing. Well, I think that's way. I always joke that that that's where. Derek Zoolander. Zoolander. It's got Zoolander vibes for sure.

It's full on. And so that's the only thing that I'm scared of it. But anyway, it's like a, it's like, you know, bucket listy deathbed stuff where I get to have this experience with my son. You know, so much so that I'm going $20,000 over my accommodations budget so I can get a really nice place. To take care of to keep it all. I feel like it's, by the way, like what better opportunity?

And first of all, the fact that he auditioned five times, that it wasn't you saying like, hey, yeah, I'll do it, but, you know, my son's perfect for it. Right. Like, he really did it, which I think is amazing. Because that's also, like, putting hard. Yeah, because then if you don't get it, then you feel a little, like, do I like these people as much anymore? And then he hates the project. He's never going to see it. I said his expectations very low.

I'm like, dude, chances are this is not going to happen. And then, oh, they like you. Okay, but now they're asking about how old he is, Canada, because there's all kinds of these things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one, two, three, then it was like, the director loves you, but Netflix isn't sold because he's so green. Right.

So he had to do it over and over and over again. And finally, like. Well, here, nepotism in the arts is a weird thing. Because it's like there's nepotism with, like, wealth and business. Right. It's pretty straightforward. Like nepotism in the arts is like the, it's a weird kind of contradiction.

Because you know people in the business, but then once you get in the door, you're just under such a microscope. And there's actually more working against you than four years. Yes. Yes. And so you kind of, it's like this, it's this weird people,

you know, the whole nepo baby, you know, thing is actually in the arts kind of different because the arts is subjective. And then the reality, is it's not like you you know it's like i remember cameron crow someone asked him a question he's like it's not like golden and kurt came and like with like robes on in the middle of the night and pointing a gun to my head you know like what are we talking about um but but um but then it's like you know you in in the act you're either you either can do it or you or not well and that's the thing that people enjoy or they're

kind of like, and people will react that way too. Like that was the thing. Like you said in business, you know, my father owns a security company. My brother works at the company. Like it's a family business. It was like no question and nobody, you know, but. You can appoint people to certain positions. It's like it's like you're here, you're here, you're here. Yeah. And and if you fail, you can kind of fail anonymously in those kinds of worlds. Whereas. Yeah. Yes. In the arts, in a public way, you don't have that luxury. Right. It's like a great painter, a great painter's child wants to paint.

And it's like, well, okay, like, I've got, you've got all the paints. You know all the gallery owners, but people are either going to like your paintings or they're going to hate them. Right. But he's got the gallery owners. He's got the, he's got the gallery, meaning the foot is in the door, you know. I mean, the kids are puts are in the door. But it's up to us to then perform. It's like any business or any kind of, you know, a doctor.

You grew up with a doctor. It was a heart surgeon. And if you want to do that, you're going to have all this access to great, you know, mentors. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And by the way, it's like you said, especially for me, because I came into acting late. I was my 20. Kate was already like a star.

Well, yeah, I wanted to ask that. Like, growing up, did you both have the same? She wanted to be an actor. and I wanted to make movies. That's what I did. She was in plays and I was making movies every weekend with my friends, blood and gore and cameras and filters and this and that.

Yeah, and I was like, where do I die? Where do I die? Exactly. Yeah, no. Do you want me to die a gruesome death or a quiet death? Right. Exactly. I'm like, Kate, you have no lines. Just please be quiet.

But yeah, so when I would go into my first auditions, I would feel this immense sort of pressure of being like, Kate's a star, my parents are stars, and they're going to be like, okay, well, let's see what he can do. Right. You know, and I underperformed. It didn't work out for a long time. There's, people are still questioning.

It seems like it's okay. I mean. No, I'm doing all right. I'm doing a Christmas movie for Netflix. Christmas movie guys, for Netflix. Not homework. Netflix. I'm Jorge Ramos.

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So, like, very Middle America suburbia, it's, you know, I mean, I grew up in a family that was really funny and love movies and love watching movies and TV shows and had great senses of humor. But it was not like I, I just, you know, I saw play. I think I saw, I think it was Godspell when I was like eight years old. I saw my first place. Great one to see. And I was like, I just have to do that. Like, even if it's on the church basement stage of wherever I saw. I was like, I need to be on a stage singing like that.

That looks like the most fun thing ever. I mean, anybody who has any little bit of theater or, like, performance in there and sees Godspell is like. It's it. You did Godspell in high school, right, Kay? No, I didn't. Have you ever done Godspell? No. No.

And I've never done God's spell. Both you guys. Wow. An idea of sparking here. Something's happening. We are in New York. Oh, my God. But yeah, so I just...

How old were you? How old were, do you remember? I was eight. Like, I was maybe second grade or something. And it was, it really was, like, literally, like a... Not even a community theater production. I think it was, like, the local high school production that my mom, you know, my mom knew the direct. Like, we just went and saw it.

And so I, you know, like any kid in a little town, I had... I auditioned for all the plays, like my first auditioned for a Charlie Brown Christmas, did not get cast. You didn't. Did not get cast, but came back the next year for a Christmas carol and I got a part. But it was really just theater. And where I was growing up, it was community theater and it was high school stuff. And very low stakes, seemingly, until I started auditioning professionally. because like in community theater auditions at least in my experience and yet you know waiting for guffman one of my favorite movies ever

like it they'd nail something because i mean that's obviously the exaggerated version but this is like the local dentist was you know right one of the actors that's how it is that's how it is these are people who probably did theater in college or have had or have had a dream of being on some stage, but they're 68. Yes, throughout their lives. But you would have to audition like in front of everybody. It wasn't like you went into a room alone and you got to audition. I remember just like everyone auditioning for the same part, sitting in circles.

And it was so nerve-wracking. So I remember the first time I auditioned for anything professionally was in New York City. And I was like a teenager. It was a commercial because sometimes. talent manager saw me in a play I was doing in Allentown and said, would you ever want to go to New York City and audition for commercials? And it was an easy drive-in. And I remember, like, we drove in, my mom drove me in. And I went in to this little room, like, smaller than the room we're in now. And there was one person with a video camera and a big piece of, like, poster board

with the lines on it. And it was a Burger King commercial to be a Burger King counter girl. And I just like read it into the camera a couple times very bubbly i was so green right very wholesome yeah yeah and and i got the commercial you did yeah so that was really like the start for me was like oh that's kind of fun and that's like felt so i tried commercials i tried commercials you know and i went on one it was a seven up commercial and they're so they just didn't give a shit about anyone who walked in and the guy's like can you juggle and i'm like No, I can't. And they're like, all right, pick up those balls and juggle.

I'm like, I can't juggle. And say, okay, pick up the balls juggle and then say the lines. I'm like, okay. And I have like three balls. Like they're fucking flying everywhere. I'm like, seven up. I'm like, all right, thanks. I'm like, what just happened?

No, no, no, no. Horrible. Horrible. And forget the commercials where you don't have to speak. Like, I never got a commercial where I didn't have to speak. Because you have to like know how to load gun and chew gun and blow bubbles. And I remember going in. to auditions where they're like, okay, you sign in.

Now we're going to take you into this room. You're going to get a gum loading tutorial on how to load the double mint gum because it's a flat. Yes, you like lay it flat on your tongue and then you roll it back. Like, never got that. If I had to do too much, no, never, never. The rolling was where. Yes.

You're out. It's a gum loading. It's a gum loading. That's so funny. Gum loading. Oh, I'm going to use that for like certain things where you like go. It's like, it's like, when you. you get your skis on.

We're going to gumloat. Right. Like what you do before you do something, gumloading. How many siblings do you have? I have a younger brother, almost kind of Irish twins. He's 18 months younger than me. And my favorite, like I love, like we're super close, but he never wanted to act. He never, he got thrown into community theater productions and things growing up.

And the irony, too, is like, after Ben and I got mad. married, he is, he's almost such a bad actor that when Ben would make, you talked about like making fun movies and things like, um, as birthday gifts over the years, Ben would make these like sort of home movies, but there were full scripts and real like, semi high production values to them, like, because it's, you know, Ben wanted it to be good, but he would always cast my brother as like the lead and give him all of this dialogue and, um, um, And it's, he's such a good sport. And he actually, like, really took one of them very seriously.

It was a big surprise. Like, I think it was for my 35th birthday. But literally, like, Tom Cruise appeared in that one. And Keeper Sutherland appeared in that one. And, like, and my brother is having to act with. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so funny. Really absurd.

Yeah. But, yes, but we were very close. But I wondered that, too, because growing up, you know, my, love a theater and it wasn't like I said oh I'm I want to like go to L.A. and make it a movie is I was just like I love to do this I love being on stage I love but we never there's like never competition because we never wanted to do the same thing but and it sounds like with you because you were more the filmmaker and Kate was the performer yeah yeah yeah there's never competition there's envy and heavy jealousy you know but no really I want to know because I now

having my own kids. We ask these questions all the time and it's funny because Wilder now got this part and I wonder what rider feels and like you know how Bodie feels and whatever but no look riders too like heady right now in like school right I'm immensely proud I'm gonna be a dramatic actor I get

I get weepy when I think about their success totally at the same time there's a part of you that's like I wish I can't do that I mean I wish I could work with like amazing creative people Yeah, yeah. You know, I wish, like, you know, I want to do that.

I mean, I have that. I mean, and it can be, it can be poison, too. I mean, I can let it go to a place where it's just like, that's unhealthy. Yeah. You know, I'm not wishing any sort of harm to anyone's career, but at the same time, I'm like, all right, this is feeling too much now. Like, why are you? Right. Why are you making it so about what I'm not getting?

Yeah, it's like, well, they're, they have all that money in her fucking, well, you're finding a global? You're like, global? It's a fast-in? Oh, really? Like Southwest and dig eight connections. That's my inner lawn a lot. But I'm fine, I'm fine. But I also think being able to, like, say it out loud and, like, own it.

You're flying at global? But, no, I mean, you know, it's, it's. It's healthy. I think it's healthy. I think that it's natural, you know, as long as it doesn't get destructive. Right, right. You know.

Right. And there's love and support, like, support. But you're right. Like, I think it is interesting with the cousins and with that sort of thing of like. Do you only have one sibling? I only have one. Yeah. You guys are so close.

So they just were really close. And he also doesn't have kids of his own. So my kids are, he's so close with our kids. What was growing up like, just generally, you know, living in downtown, the parents, like, was it wholesome? Was it as wholesome as your Burger King? We grew up Catholic, but not like, you know, we, we, I mean, I went to 12 years of Catholic school, so I spent a lot of time in church and things like that. But as a family, it wasn't like we were at church. We went on Christmas.

We went on Easter. We went on the holidays. You weren't like heavily religious. No, no. now my mom in her later year my mom is still very catholic and you know but she's also like miss spirituality and very open-minded catholic if that's even possible that's kind of how our it's kind of how the hudson's are very very italian catholic and but but very spiritual yes you know not and that's not always the case so i think that's kind of a good combination um but you know

my brother and I were, I think because we were so close and we were very different, um, personality wise. Like I was really the type A. Like I'm all this stupid stereotypes of like the perfectionist and the this and the, and because I was always one step ahead of him, he bugged me a lot. Like as the older sibling. Like I always feel like because I got my driver's license before him. He didn't have to take the bus. So I would drive him to school. But he would be late. Right. And I would be waiting for him. And then I, and he would just roll down with his folder. You know, he was just, everything was very laid back, which I would love my, I would love to, like, live a day in that body of just feeling like, let's just roll with the punches. Yeah, yeah.

Because my brother, I feel like you probably somewhere along the way met him at some party or event. I've met your brother. Yeah. He's so, he's, everybody loves him. He's such a sweetheart. But, but we were very different. So I remember us fighting a lot. I mean, I definitely remember us really budding heads.

But like fiercely loyal to each other and would stand up for each other. But like. Who's who's the favorite? I mean, were you mom and dad's favorite? Was he the favorite? Here's the thing. I think my brother, I didn't. I was a very good girl.

I was a rule follower. The things I did do, I never got caught. And everything my brother did, he got caught. Like everything, he got caught with the keg in the trunk and with trying to transport it in my mother's car and, like, outdenting it because the keg was, you know what I mean, like, and he would lie, too. I don't know how this happened, but Oliver always got caught, but I got in trouble. So I, it's sort of like, it was like, wait, I didn't do this. This is Oliver's. He had the way, he had the way deflecting.

Wait, how many years apart are you guys? Two and a half. Two and a half. Yeah. But somehow it was always like my, I didn't do something to make sure he didn't do something. It was like, you know. And then we became more in cahoots once we started throwing parties. Yeah.

Then like behind our parents' backs. Totally. And it was like, okay. Like we're in this together now. We have to figure this shit out. Yes. Yes. And I've heard you guys talk a little bit about like when you get to that age and the sort of crossover of like Kate's friends.

and there's like little flirtations. My brother always wanted to be around when the girlfriend's over. There was a big sleepover. Yeah, that switched because Kate used to be all hanging around me. I'm like, hey, get out of here. And then that flipped when, you know, she was old enough and her girlfriends were over. I'm like, what's up? What you guys doing?

Kate's like, Oliver, get out. You're creepy. Oh, God. But my girlfriends did always go hang out with you, which was also frustrating. Yes, they did. It all worked out. I'd be like, Carla, we're leaving. Like, oh, two seconds.

I'm just thanking out with Oliver. Well, I found out much later on, like, years later, that my brother had had a whole, like, hidden relationship with one of our babysitters that I, like, knew nothing about when the kids were very little. Like, he was like, yeah, Catherine and I, that was a while. And then they ended up getting together for a while, too. But I was like, wait, that actually happened while we were still living in L.A. He was like, oh, my God, everyone knew.

You guys just didn't know. Oh, my God, that is awesome. That's crazy. When did you sort of have your break? You know, when was it like, all right, I'm out. I'm leaving. This is. You mean from L.A.?

Yeah, from Allentown. Oh, from Allentown. Oh. I want to be an actor. You know, I was literally just applying to colleges, still going. into the city and doing some commercials. That was like my junior year of high school that I started, that I got that Burger King commercial.

And then I got this series for Nickelodeon, which was a very, like, it was not the network it is now. It was sort of just up and coming. This is 1989, so I was a senior in high school. And I got this show called Hey Dude. I remember Haydoo. Which was like a bunch of kids on a dude,

Dude Ranch and we shot it in Tucson, Arizona, and horses and cowboy hats. I was 17. Was that so fun. Was there so many naughty things happening? Oh my God. 17 on a dude. At that age, that must have been like. Well, at that age and also at a time where like they didn't have our parents come out there

with us yet they assigned us like some sort of a guardian. A legal guardian who was also like the accountant who paid us the prediction. Exactly. You know that smoke joints. Yeah. Like it was not. It was just a wild west. We had no.

But, you know, we were also like they didn't, you know, at the very beginning, like they didn't, we didn't even have a rental car to get around in. So we were like in a hotel and we would just get the shuttle to the set every day. And we went like we would go to the mall. We'd go to miniature golfing. There wasn't a lot of like craziness, but within the sort of the hotel because the whole crew stayed there. too. Again, I was pretty much of a rule follower. I was kind of good call. Are you still? I mean, did you break out of that ever? Let me just, I'll give you an example of like, I am, yes, I think I fear authority. Like, I literally, if I get pulled over for a ticket for feeding or something, it's just my knee-jerk reaction is to cry.

Yeah. Like, it's nothing bad. I'm just going to get a ticket. It's not a big deal. feel, but I will literally cry because I just feel like it. He's not going to like me. My wife is the same way she follows so many rules. I'm like, babe, do you turn. Like, go ahead. She goes, no. I'm like, but literally it's 1 a.m.

There's no one. Here. Nope, nope. We're getting fights over. I'm like, you have to break some rules. I'm right. That's why I feel like I want, I mean, now in my 50s, it's like, can I just loosen up a little bit?

I feel like I'm getting a little better. However, my son, who's 19, he's a little like me. I feel like Ella and Ben are very similar. Quinn and I are very similar too. But like to the point where we were at on vacation and on the, and he's a really picky eater, my son. And, you know, we went to a restaurant and it says kids menu. And of course he wants to go to the kids menu because they've got like the chicken nuggets

and the grilled cheese. And he's and it says like adults only please. Like they give a gentle suggestion of like, please. You know, regular folks, don't order the grilled cheese off of the kids' menu. And so, and Quinn and I are both, like, in a panic about it. Right, because you want. Just to order a freaking, he goes, he goes, what should I say? Like, what should I say?

I was like, just order it, see what she says. And if she says something, we'll say that you have an allergy. And honestly, Ellen Bennett are like, what the hell are you guys doing? Like, just the waitress is not going to say anything. No, of course not. I'm not, I'm not, what are you talking about? I don't know why we get so, it's, it's a thing, it's a thing. Like, I, I still, at this age in my life, like, I aspire, I keep saying, like, when I grew up, I'd like to be more like my daughter.

Who's 22, right, almost 23. Just, just, just, just, but naked and happy. Just butt naked and happy. Yeah. I'm just, you imagine if today I was like, yeah, she's still just naked and ugly. That was the Julia thesis. No, that was the Julia thesis. My child.

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And like one parent goes and then you're not supposed to do it with your spouse and you meet other parents. But it's like go around in a circle and talk about like your feelings or they give a prompt. And I wasn't going to go because I'm like, oh, there's just too much and there's too many logistics happening and everything. And, you know, we're palisades like, oh, G, palisades. I know you are. I remember. I thought of all of you guys. So even though our house is good and we're good, it's just so.

there's just so much happening right now with our friends and people that work in our community and you're just in it and like even just the logistics of like, am I going to be able to get home? Can we get home? All that. You're just in it, right? Yeah, yeah.

But I get to, I'm like, I'm not going to go. And I'm like, oh, fuck, I got to go. I got to be like a good mom. You were crying the whole time. I sat down in that chair. Yeah. And the second, the second, the leader, of the council was like,

I just want to thank everybody for being here. I was like, oh my God. I just burst into tears. I was just like, oh my God. And then so bad that I started apologizing to everyone. I'm like, I am so sorry. I realize I haven't cried. And greed, I haven't started.

I'm, I haven't started crying now. I might cry. Let's not. I haven't started the grieving process of all of the memories of the places that we grew up, like my first kiss, the house that I had my first kiss and gone. And then I'm sitting next to my friend who I won't name, but he, we grew up together. And then I lost it and then he lost. Oh boy. He lost it. It was over. Oh, my gosh. And, and you're just, you realize like you're just grieving this death of

something that isn't human. It's, it's, it's just a place. And, They're just things, but it's like they hold all these special connections. And so, yeah, I mean, that's what's happening. You know, I can't go home, I guess, for like six months to a year or something. I don't know. It's a whole thing. It's crazy. We'll talk about all that later.

Like, you know, we haven't talked to about that. But then it's just the bigger part of it. And then there's the other thing that's really cool and amazing to see is that you realize that community, even though it is a place is also the people and everyone's so connected. Well, that's why I was just going to say when you said you sat just even to sit there and have that space to hold, like that is what I've heard from all of our friends who are there. And, you know, it, that's, it's, I still think of L.A. It's our home away from home. And we kept a little place there. And it's, it, all of those memories and, and the first

thoughts for us too were those places. And, but what everyone has said is just the way Los Angeles, this has come together is one of the most things you could ever imagine in the city. Yeah, because L.A. is a funny, weird city, you know, it's like filled with so many contradictions and you, it's like you love it and you hate it and you want to run from it and then you can't wait to get back to it, you know, it's like, it's so, it's just one of those cities that, but there's these little pockets that people don't really leave them, you know, and And so for us, like the Palisades area, it's like, I don't know. I never leave it.

And so, Kate, I remember and I don't know. I mean, you're literally living in our childhood home. Yeah, I brought back the house that we grew up and to raise my kids in the house. Right. But I remember also going to, we went, Ben and I went to a Thanksgiving with, at your parents. Yes. Thank you. Yes, we did.

It was small. It was small. These are my memories. Great. We were either both pregnant or I was pregnant. At the old Capri house? Yes. Yes.

Yes, exactly. The old house. And there were puppies. I remember like there were some puppies that had been born that we went to like a guest house. That was a Nana or the. Nana. Yeah. There were puppies.

And I just remember. Oh, no. The lab. Judge. Judge. Judge. It was the labs. Yeah, the labs. Yeah.

So I have this memory. And I remember, like, for Ben, too. And I'm sure. I know Ben is, I know Ben has told this to Kurt and Goldie, too. Like, Ben's, like, deep-rooted obsession with Kurt, like, his entire life. And probably Kurt is sort of like, yeah, I've heard it before Bench. I know. I know you love me.

Come on. But I just remember we had that, you know, this is kind of the thing I love of, like, those moments because we had gotten to we were spending time with you and chris at the time and like i just remember it was like a circle of us and we were showing up a lot of like dinner parties and things together and we weren't going back east or something so you and you guys invited us we went to thanksgiving but and i just remember ben's fascination with kurt talking about hunting yeah it was bow and arrow like that was kurt's story and it just been like i like never seen my husband more on the like on

every word you know like every word and like I remember us driving home and it was just sort of like like I just there's just not a cooler guy like they're just the coolest people like he just like and still to this day he says it every time he runs

into your parents how amazing they are I have to say the older Kurt gets I feel that way too I just feel like he actually gets cooler even as he gets older is that possible Like it's just like, how is it? If that's possible.

Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. But having those moments like as, you know, because for having lived in L.A. a long time and we'd, you know, go to fun part, dinner parties and things like that. We're like these amazing people and like people that we grew up watching and, you know, that and admired. And I, you know, I always like with love like Ben and I would have that moment of getting in the car on the drive home and be like, well, that. It's just like the coolest thing ever. Like, you don't get, I still don't. Like I still, if I go to a basketball game and like LeBron comes over and high five, I'm like, that's the coolest thing ever.

Like nothing. I do this. I do the same thing. Right? Like you, there's still those moments. Because people, people, like, there's, like, I think it's like any, I mean, I mean, it would be weird to not have. reverence for people who, like, if you love great art and great work and great athleticism

and sports, like, it would be so weird to not have reverence for the people that you admire. Yes. Especially, you know, it's like. Same. So it doesn't matter how. You know, the athletes, it's just from a bit from the age of baby, they've committed to this sport and have excelled to the greatest spot in it. And that level of work ethic and determination and commitment to it is so intense.

It's neat. And you watch it happen, you know, you're just, wow. I mean, it's, you're, yeah, it is true. I actually feel the same about writers and directors because it's sort of this, like, people think it's easy to make a movie. It's so hard to make a movie. Right. What it takes to get it to get it to happen, like, you know, it's like. Like, even like the worst movie is a feat just to have gotten it to be made, you know?

It's like I have people who can actually like have this vision, create it from the inception. And then like you see it and it's incredible. You're like, that's just. Yeah. I know how they see it. Yes. Same kind of determination and like focus and drive as like I think some. Some athlete.

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Every Tuesday, make sure you listen to Pretty Private from the Black Effect Podcast Network. Tune in on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. like the moment well they hey dude and that was what was so we I did Hey dude for a couple of years like we did like five seasons of it over a couple of years a lot of episodes at that point like moved to LA sort of that thing of like with the family no I was by my I was I was I you know because I'd been out in Tucson for a couple of years and we had made a lot of friends and this time you were 18 this time by this time I was 19 okay so you're 19 right so you're free and clear so I was free I I had gotten into college, but I was sort of like, I'm going to still put college off for a bit and go to

L.A. and see, because I had a friend out there who was looking for a roommate. And I mean, it took time. Like I, I, I, I, no one had heard of Hey, dude, because Nickelodeon was such a, like, it was a fledgling cable network. So no one really knew. I remember, I think I even had a casting director, like, question like, oh, you did 65 episodes of a show I never heard of. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. You're not really the dead. it was for like 10 year olds but you're a fucking casting director so shut the fuck up I was like I would never make that up on a resume I mean that was at a time where they were like just just cushion your resume a little bit um but uh like your skills this yes special skills

special skills um speak Mandarin but for me it was a lot of um you know like little episodic jobs on things like saved by the bell and blossom and all of those shows and then for me it was the brady bunch that was it it was really like the i did a little stint in the real live brady bunch which was kind of like they sort of spoofed episodes um with an adult cast playing the kids and at the westwood playhouse and i did that for a little period of time and then auditioned for the movie and like had heard it my whole life that I was sort of very Marcia Brady and I was also obsessed with the Brady bunch growing up

so I knew every episode and like I'm a real nerd when it comes to that and but yeah a few auditions got that and then that that that like shifted something shifted things like it opened up a lot of doors it wasn't like life

changed overnight right but now you're in the game though yes I didn't have to read for casting directors anymore I got offered some TV shows and things like that so it was that was really the sort of did you meet ben on a movie i met ben on a pilot that he was directing um a pilot called heat vision and jack which has kind of gotten this like weird cult like it's on youtube it's starring jack black and owen wilson as a talking motorcycle and it was sort of like um it was like a night rider meets star trek meet six million

dollar man like weird hybrid meant to be sort of 70s style but this was like 98 or 99 1998 or 99 yeah and and I went in on and I like I was a Ben Stiller fan I love the Ben Stiller show I auditioned for him he didn't want to cast me

famous I tell this story all the time it's like he he wanted to cast someone else because he was like she's a little too Marsha Brady for me and then the fox forced me, forced me on him,

said, no, you are casting her. So, and that was it. And did he hit on you? Was he like, was he like, you know? He did not. No. In fact, I, what, and I don't know if you had this experience, Kay, like, I don't know when, how, if you knew how long you've known Ben, but I felt like the first time I met Ben,

because I had also, at that point, um, worked with Adam Sandler and I had done friends. And I'd worked with, like, a lot of comedic forces. Like, I had worked with really funny people. But when I met Ben, I was like, he was so serious. So serious. You're like, he's like, he's not cracking jokes. Right.

Like, are you okay? And he's also, like, looking at me in my eyes when I'm talking to him, too, which was also. Very intensely. Another thing where I was like, nobody in Hollywood, like, looks you in the eye. Right, right, right, right. They're kind of looking past you to see if somebody is. Right. Totally.

You're almost scared. So I was like he's very serious. But then, you know, and then I got to see like the sort of, you know, genius at work and working with him and Jack. Was that, is that attractive? Does that add to it? Meaning watch someone who is good at what they do. Is that, does that bring on even more attraction? Of course.

What kind of question is that? Of course. No, I want the person I'm going to be terrible at what they're. They do. Well, okay, I'll rephrase it. If he was a shit, if he was shitty, what he did, would you still be with them? Well, if he was, if he was like a mean director or like dismissive or something. He's a great guy like he is, but just like, yeah, he's not very talented.

I mean, he's kind of getting by. Yeah. That's a loaded question. Well, I rephrased it now to worse. But the other cool thing was I. Pass. Just pass. I only knew him.

Pass. I only knew him as an actor. Like, I knew he drew. directed reality bites and I love that movie but like getting to see somebody direct like I think you're right like I do think yes there's something and he's such an actor's director and he's like so specific when it comes to the comedy and getting it and the weirdness of it and I think just our sensibilities but no he didn't hit on me at all he was dating kind of dating breaking up with someone else I was kind of going through a breakup and like when the thing wrapped he was like hey you

want to grab dinner and we both were kind of like fizzling out and um these other relationships and and i was like yeah let's go to dinner and then it just was like easy it was easy but it's also very private like where was your first dinner oh my god you remember you remember yes of course i do it was machetes in the valley oh my god i know michelis i'm like michelis machetes it was in the that. I lived off of Laurel Canyon. I thought it was on Ventura, but it's on Ventura. It is. It's on Ventura, like right near Lancashen. It's where they had the singing waiters who would sing showtie. Okay. Okay. Oh, fun. And it was not meant to be a romantic place because like we didn't even have the place. But it was funny because I think he was also like, you know,

something about Mary had already come out. Like there were like stories about him. And I think he was, we were wanting to like fly under the radar. So we found like a quiet place. with this Broadway showtune, where they sing Broadway show tunes while you get your pizza. Does he ever like tell you what is going to happen in the show's like severance? Like do you know what happens?

You guys. Like are you aware? I don't know if you know. Well, that has to be in of course. What if he's like, sorry, honey, no. But here's the thing. Well, that's I'm married to you. Fuck off.

But during, you know, but the way they do that show and the first season was during COVID so there were no like set visits or anything like that. So there was everything was very bubbled in a way but when he was editing because it was all remote it was all at home he was editing so I

and when episodes rough cuts of episodes were done we were the test audience like we were his test audience but then like I remember him editing once and after season like during season one and I remember walking by and I was like oh I think I just heard a spoiler I think I just heard

because I wanted to see them. We'll see. It's like Danny won't read anything because he wants to actually enjoy it. Right. Yeah. And that's, he doesn't want to know. I don't, I didn't want to read the scripts or anything like that. But I do, like, we did get to see the whole, like, I've seen all of season two.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We give, he lets us give us some notes. Does he take them? He likes to hear it? Sort of. What about, what about, what about, what about, what about, what about, What about, what about work? He wants to hear, like, the visceral reaction.

It's not like, I'm giving notes. Right. He doesn't want, right. You got to cut out of that scene much earlier. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, he's like, you know what's funny? It's almost like when you're really good at what you do, which he is, you just need to be in a room of people and you immediately are like, I got to cut that. Like, you don't even need to.

You can feel it. You do. Like, that's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah. You know when something is like. So true. or if it ends and I'm like, but what did he mean?

And he's like, okay, good, because we weren't sure if that was clear. Got it. Because they're so in it. He's like, okay, we might need to add a thing to clarify that. Well, he's directed you, like, many times. Has it ever been like, babe, like, shut up, no. I mean, or like, okay, I don't, I mean, has there ever been any, or is it always just kind of fun to work with each other? It's been really fun.

I trust him and, like, I really do feel safe in, and he's not, like, and he's not like, a micromanager when it comes to performances in that way. Like it doesn't have to be, you know, and I think he's just like very generous when it comes to. So I've never had those moments where I felt like, okay, no, enough.

And it's been a, you know, it's been a while too. It hasn't been like, you know, it was in a lot of our younger years. Yeah. I love her. I love her too. I got, I get, I have all these crazy. It's like I wanted to share

all these memories that I have with them and and but I didn't no I know she's she's so great and so open and candid and I love that you know she she tells her story and I'm unafraid of it honestly yeah and uh you know and I think and I feel like it's so great we're going to split up and get a two-parter because of course we're splitting it up it's going to be a two-parter we're going to split up and then we're going to get back to Like my hair line. My hairline's becoming a two-parter. Kate, do you see this?

It's like a three-parter. Look at this. I think I'm receding. Oh, no. Ollie, this is weird. This isn't like you. I'm going to fucking get some implants or what are they called? Plugs.

A hair transplant? Like just right here. Just plug that shit up. All right. Can we not talk about your vanity? I know, but I'm getting older now. I just had a lot of sunspots. That's burned off of me.

I know I heard Dr. Diamond really went to town on that. God damn, he went to town. Taking blood out of my body, spinning it, shooting plasma all over my face. At least that's what he said it was. All right. Let's get out of here before it gets worse. Okay.

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