Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - Honoring Superman with the Reeve Family

Episode Date: September 30, 2024

Christopher Reeve was an American icon who embodied the superhero he played so well. Now, Superman's children Will, Matthew, and Alexandra honor their late father in a documentary that had Kate in tears! The siblings share their memories after the accident that left their father paralyzed, and how the family tragedy informs their parenting decisions to this day. Plus, they reveal the ONE RULE Superman had at the family dinner table.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry.

That's good. Okay. So this is exciting. I'm really excited. to um talk to this next and i want i don't want to leave them waiting anymore no i know they're in the waiting room but um you watched i didn't i watched the documentary i'm i'm i'm definitely going to cry at some point during this interview because it's like it's like all it's like in my throat i feel emotional right now this is the reeves family these are the kids the siblings of

christopher reeve and uh matthew alexandra and will yeah matthewlexander and will uh will uh will is the son of Dana and Christopher and Matthew and Alexandra let's just bring them in. Yeah, bring them in. You have a documentary out and it's

a cheerjurker to say the least. Yeah. It comes out October 11th. The theaters. Yeah. Movie theaters. Hello. Hello.

Look who it is. Hi. Hello. It's so nice to meet you all. together. Thank you for coming on. Very excited to talk to you guys. It's good to meet you too. Yeah. So I watched this morning the documentary.

She's going to cry. I just want to preface this whole thing. You guys, I, I could not, the entire documentary could not stop crying. It's powerful. There's so much love. It's just filled with love. And you're just, it's honest. And I was so inspired just to like live life to the fullest. It was just, it's just like so beautiful. So. All right.

That's it. Thanks. Thanks for coming. We'll see you guys later. Perfect. Easiest interview we've ever done. We'll just take us through the process a little bit. you know, we'll get, I want to get into your lives a little, you know, but now that we're on

sort of doc tops, doc topic, how did this all come about? What was, I know the inspiration, but, you know, give us sort of the overall. Matthew, you start because it started with you. Sure, I'll jump in. So a few years ago, I have surely haven't nailed down the date, but I want to say it was about three and a half years ago. I was contacted out of the blue by an archive specialist in the UK who asked if we had home movies and if we had ever thought about doing a documentary about our dad. And as it so happened, not so long prior to that, we had just kind of packed up a family house and we kind of knew what we had and where the tapes were and what was there and the types of formats they were on because there's about six or seven

different types um yeah like over the years i mean we were really loved beta vhs mini dv super eight yeah i just did all we have i have the same situation all of it um and they were like terribly labeled and they would jump around from like i don't know thanksgiving 1994 to like the third period of a rangers game to um like the easter the following year and it was just kind of a wild a wild mix and but all started there and then he this archivist Daniel Kilroy who's credited as a

I mean he was also an EP on the project took it to some production companies and it landed at Passion Pictures and they nurtured it and we developed it with them or they developed it really sort of with some a little bit of input from us and then they introduced us to the

directors they found Ian and Peter and they've worked with them before we watched their earlier work McQueen about the fashion design Alexander McQueen and Rising Phoenix, which was a Netflix series, doc series about Paralympians, which was incredible. Both projects were incredible. And then we met with them. We had to start it off the series of Zoom calls, and then we finally met in person.

And pretty quickly became clear that they were the right guys for the job. I mean, their approach, it was clear that they would treat it with sensitivity and respect. And also, they wanted to make something honest. They weren't interested in making a glossy, sugar-coated puff piece that was just kind of elevated our dad onto a pedestal and was just a glowing portrait. They wanted to have sort of this raw, honest approach, which is what we wanted. And so we agreed, we handed over our archive,

and we agreed to give interviews, and amongst ourselves, we agreed that we would give ourselves in these interviews. We would say the things we hadn't said. We would share the stories we'd never told publicly. Was this a conversation that you guys all had, you know, before the process sort of like, look, if we're going to do this, you know, we're going full out? Yeah, we talk, I mean, we we talk as siblings all the time just because we love each other and like, you know, it's going on in each other's lives. It's not like we were running around town out in the marketplace trying to get something made about our dad. We have our own busy and fulfilling lives and we, it wasn't even really on our horizon, but then it all sort of fell into.

place naturally and when we got together and said this actually seems like a the right group of people with the right intent we believe in their vision and think they would do a good job we agreed that now is as good at time as any to do it um we didn't intend for the process to play out so that the film comes out exactly aligned with the 20 year anniversary of our dad passing that's just a nice cosmic coincidence um but once they had us in terms of sitting for interviews and had all of our footage and had some phone numbers of friends and folks who knew our story uh that they could call to flesh it all out they went off and did it and we're so grateful to the filmmakers not only for the final product which is now out in the world and has been so well received and we're so proud

to be associated with. But just for the way that they treated us throughout the process, because we were insistent that they have full control and that we didn't want to put our thumb on the scale. We wanted it to be as honest or portrayal as could be. But

because Ian and Peter, the directors and then the rest of the filmmaking team from the various production companies are good people and seem to care about us, they would check in and just make sure we were okay and that we still gave our blessing and we did but the horse was out of the barn at that

amazing i mean it the the the uh the amount of trust that you have to put into these filmmakers and production company to do this story justice given the fact that it is so personal i mean that is uh it's hard to relinquish that kind of control i guess i mean you know it's like we don't want to put our thumb on the scale at the same time, you know, do it justice. I don't fuck us. I mean, we talk about it as a leap of faith. There was a total leap of faith.

We saw the film for the first time about a week before they submitted it to Sundance. Wow. And they deal with some pretty heavy themes in it, right? Like this is, you know, it matters for this story to be told respectfully and well. It mattered to us that the disability story be told respectfully and well, not in a patronizing way and not in a, you know, just mindless inspiration way, but actually truly showing someone's journey. They'd previously done a film about the Paralympics, and so they brought a certain perspective and respect for that, which we valued. But yeah, also, you know, there's some highs and

lows to our dad's personal life in his career, you know. Yeah. And they, and I feel like, you know, it's like getting to know your dynamic in the documentary was so interesting and, like, heartbreaking at times, you know, I almost, it's funny, I don't want to give away things that I think people don't know about your family history that you discover in the documentary because it's, it's so well done. And, but, but Matthew and Alex, you, you know, that was, you did have a tough separation from your dad at the time that his career was rocket, a rocket ship and left your mom. And I think then, you know, full circle where sort of it ends up is so beautiful to trust somebody with that story. That's what I'm saying. That's, that's, that's, yeah, but it matters, right,

that it's authentic. And it makes it a super, it's a very unique story, right? Like to ride that rocket ship to fame when you're 24 years old, you're doing like off Broadway theater in New York City and suddenly you're like shooting to global stardom. Unusual story. But there are elements in there that are so relatable. And now increasingly as people are starting to see the film and we're getting those phone calls and their emails, people are seeing themselves in this story, like what it is to fall in love and be in an impassioned relationship as our dad was with our mom, Gaye Exton. But then for that to change over time, you know, they had their 10 years and it was a beautiful moment, but then it faded and what that means that you can then go off into the world and then have, you know, this beautiful

love story that our dad had with Dana, which the film captures so well. and that somehow we can all emerge okay from that. We're siblings, you know, we will says in the film, and this is completely true, we're half siblings, but we never use the word half, and it's never been that way. You know, Dana entered my life when I was three years old. She was seven when she came in, Matthew was seven when she came in, and instantly they were just so careful and so thoughtful

to have the family feel intact and to rise about that drama and just be there for us. And I love that the filmmakers gave this sensitive treatment and show how it can be done, you know, and that there's a lot of really good lessons to learn there. And just be clear, I mean, it was certainly a leap of faith in many ways, but the filmmakers did, like, they earned our trust. I mean, we didn't kind of like meet them once over a coffee and say, yeah, sure,

right. Here's a big box of tapes. Yeah, go ahead. It was, you know, we had a lot of phone, a lot of conversations, and then finally met in person, and it was really how they, you know, they started talking about how they would generally approach it. And you could tell from the questions they asked what was kind of resonating with them from the research they'd done. And I think we all, it just felt right pretty early on.

But, I mean, certainly after, you know, several conversations and, you know, yeah. How old were you guys when the accident actually happened? I was 15. I was, yeah. Yeah, Will was, it was about 10 days before Will's third birthday, and Alexander was 11. Wow. So you were three. Almost, yeah.

I had my third birthday party in the waiting room of the ICU at the hospital in Virginia. Really? Do you have any memories prior to your dad? Yeah. Well, kind of. I don't know if they're composite memories, which are memories that are, composed of videos or photos you may have seen, plus stories you may have been told and they coalesce in your brain somewhere to become a memory. I don't know if that's the case or if I

actually do have the memory, but I have, in my mind, I have an image, it's a movie almost of a perfect day with my dad and my mom before the accident. And it involved, my bedroom was next to theirs basically at our house in just outside New York City and it involved me waking up and knocking on the wall them hearing it my dad would come in and pick me up out of my crab or bed and bring me into their room and we would play play in their room and then my dad and I would go downstairs to grab the newspaper from the front stoop I remember sailing with him he was an avid sailor and I remember I actually remember going to the local farm where he kept his horses and he would construct a sort of ring in the center of it of like whatever like blocks

that to just keep me in and I would just stand in there and he would ride around and I don't know if that's because I've seen videos of that or if I actually remember it but I like to think I remember it because most of my life with him he got injured when I was about three and then he died when I was 12 so for those nine years he was in his wheelchair and those I have abundant happy memories plenty of them but I it mostly is him in a wheelchair so I don't have as much as Matthew and Al do pre-accident but this documentary has been such a gift to me especially because I don't have any recollection of of course anything before I was but I'd heard all the stories

and it felt like I was getting to experience a lot of what Matthew and Al did experience in real time and it was putting images to stories that I had internalized over the years which has given me a fuller and deeper

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Alex and Matthew, so you were 11 and 15. And at the time, how often were you seeing your dad? You were living in England and your dad was... In the States. Yeah. So our parents separated, when I was about two and Matthew was five or six, about six years old. And dad moved back to the States, but our mom kept us in London. They'd met in the UK.

They'd met during the filming of Superman, which not everybody knows was actually filmed in England at studios just outside of London. And so the deal was London during the school year and then back to the States for vacation. So winter break, summer break, you know, spring break, half terms, the holiday they have in the UK, like around Halloween time. So all of those were back in the state. So we did see him pretty frequently. But when the accident happened, we were far away. And so that's why, you know, our strongest memories of that day is the hustle to get on a plane as fast as we could because we didn't know if he was going to make it through the day.

Wow. gosh and at 11 and 15 I mean how does one sort of process that at that age do you have a recollection of that feeling of was it real to you was it oh this can't happen you know how did you deal with that I feel like a lot of it was in in slow motion I think time stood still and you know a week felt like a month a day felt like a week every hour felt way longer it was um There was so much uncertainty. I mean, in terms of kind of what was happening, you know, information wasn't as accessible or as immediate as it is today. You know, I think we both of us really got wind of the severity from when we were in the airport, about to fly over to the States. It had already made the papers. So there's a lot of stuff on the front pages sort of at the newsstands at the airport. We're seeing to know more than we did kind of at the time because I think there was just,

the sensitivity to making sure that we were told in person, but also the newspapers, you know, the accuracy is questionable. But it's, it was, there was also, you know, there were a lot of photographers at the airport. And I think you just got an overall sense of the severity of the situation pretty quickly. And then once we got over, and we made it to, um, uh, what's it at Charlottesville, Virginia, um, it was like three flights, I think. to get down there and yeah and then it we a family member kind of took us for a walk and sort of explains the situation what sort of the outcome was and that they wanted to do this surgery which was that never really been done was extremely risky and you know it's so

there was a lot happening all at once and of course we wanted to keep will be happy and entertained and everyone was just going to focus on like not just putting on blinders but kind of you know putting on as as much of a smile as we could and and pushing forward um so yeah it was a lot happened in a short amount of time will you were so little like i couldn't i couldn't imagine like being your sibling in a moment like that and being like even though you were probably both of you were dealing with this tragedy and not not knowing the unknown. It was, it's so foreign to Will because he's so little he probably didn't understand. And so to keep that up must have been also just.

Do you know? Yeah. Our family does not live an unexamined life. Like when you have a near-death experience like this, like you talk about things as a family. And one of the things that both dad and Dana said was, At that time, every single person was getting through the day by being there for the other people. Right? It was like this house of course. So the thing they actually kept us focused and not dwelling on ourselves was playing with Will and being there for well. Dana was holding up my dad and holding up, well, actually Dana was just holding up the entire family.

Our dad came through because he realized that he's still at a partner who loved him more than anything and kids who needed him to be present and be in their lives. And so it's this funny thing that I think actually has stayed true throughout our lives, which have not been, you know, all that short on trauma is that I think one of our survival mechanisms is that you just focus really hard on showing up for the other people around you. And in so doing, you kind of get out of your own head and just focus on being there and being present for the people around you. Yeah. And if I might, if I went off from my perspective from the toddler's point of view at the time,

I mean, look, as Matthew Nell referenced, they were visiting on their vacations and summer breaks, et cetera. And so it was truncated bits of time. But for me, it was like this avalanche of joy bursting through the door every time they came to visit when I was a little kid. It was I got so excited for it. I think weirdly now I'm very into like tracking flights because I travel a lot for my job as of correspondent for ABC News. so I'm always on all the apps, like, knowing what's going where. I think I got it from then because I would know when they were supposed to land and how far we lived from JFK or Newark Airport.

And okay, if they're like on flight tracker. Right. If flight aware had existed in 1994, I would have been on it because I knew that my two favorite people were coming to visit. And I give so much credit to Matthew now because they were teenager, preteen, etc. That's not exactly the prime age that you want to spend your limited free time hanging out with a three-year-old. But I never experienced it that way. I felt like I was the center of their world whenever they were around, and I was the center of my parents' world.

And that feeling of support and love and attention has been a constant in my life with that. my siblings that I just I always feel so loved and supported and held up and granted it feels so great you guys should try it sometime yeah must be nice ah god yeah there's still time all the time there's still time uh when your dad could finally communicate was there that thing that he said or you know hey this is this is the new normal you know or any words of sort of wisdom or comfort you know one of the things that so so i think like the reflection and the intentionality came later but actually some of the early days in the hospital was just realizing that like those elements of normalcy

and parent-child dynamics survive even though your circumstances have changed in such an overwhelming way i remember dana being really amazing and that first day we arrived at the hospital, which Matthew was describing, her being so clear of saying, you're going to walk into this room and his bed is going to be moving from side to side because they're trying to keep fluid off his lungs. They're going to be scary machines that are beeping. He may be awake. He may be asleep. But that is still him and that is still his hand. You go in and you hold his hand. And having that type of clarity to a teenager or a kid and saying like, that's still your person, like go find your person was amazing. When dad came to, I mean, I remember one of my early,

conversations, Matthew, you were about to be the subject of this story. Fair warning. He couldn't verbalize words yet. So when you've had that level of an accident, dad was on a respirator to breathe, and he hadn't yet learned to trap the air so that his voice would come out. So he had to mouth words, which was hard. And I remember we were having, you know, I was kind of talking about my day and kind of just trying to distract him. And him mouthing a question and just not being able to understand. And when you're having a hard time, you pull out a letterboard and you kind of go letter by letter, and the person blinks when you've landed on the right one. And we start to spell this out, and we're going, I'm like, okay, G, I, I, R, L.

And I pretty quickly figure out, the guy's trying to figure out of Matthew has a girlfriend. Like, for the sibling gossip. The men is in the intensive care unit. His head has just been attached to his body. I mean, he has been on death's door. And he's like, clearly, I'm going to talk to my kid to get some gossip on the other kid. And so it's pretty quickly to get those moments of normalcy, and that's like that's strength. That's such a gift.

Oh, I love that. I mean, it's just such a, it's that's got to, it's got to be so comforting that you see this man who is everything in mobile and now he is what he is, but that comes out of him, meaning like, oh, wait a minute. This is the same fucking dude. It's the same dude. You know, there's got to be something that is very common. What hit me while you were talking was Dana. I just sort of was like, oh, what it, she, you know, there's a theme, the hero theme and the documentary,

but she's, she's quite the hero. I've never met a stronger person. And I think to your point about normalcy, It's interesting to me now that I'm an adult and have more of an understanding of what emotional and spiritual strength and mental strength actually is, it struck me that I didn't realize that she was being strong for my whole childhood. much like I didn't even totally realize my dad was being strong or choosing to be strong because it felt so innate to them.

They didn't send me off to school saying any number of terrible things could befall us at any moment, but yet we soldier on. Good luck at math. It wasn't that. It was, hey, did you do your homework or your shoes tied? I'll pick you up at 3.30. You have a play date with so-and-so. And, you know, we're having chicken again for dinner

because you're obsessed with chicken, you annoying kid. It was just, it was, their strength was so innate to who they were. You can't separate a before and after moment of them making a conscious decision to find strength because they already had it. So they were already heroically strong. and in such a way and I think that that made life certainly for me

so normal and easy because much like our dad trying to get the dirt on Matthew's potential girlfriend which I'm sure he had at least three he did I spilled all the tea I'm not going to laugh stories of the day

I did the whole thing exactly but much much like that moment of levity and normalcy any dad would be asking about the 15 year old's love life no matter their physical circumstances, for me in my daily life, of course, it was obvious that our dad was paralyzed and in a wheelchair and needed 24-hour care and was on a ventilator and all those things.

Like that was just inherent in life, but we didn't dwell on that. There was a rule at the dinner table. We had family dinners basically every night, and the rule of the dinner table was we could talk about anything, philosophy, politics, sports, entertainment, et cetera. But never any medical issues. There was plenty weighing down on my dad and on my mom in terms of my dad's physical condition and the burden of insurance costs and everything that comes with this uncertain future. But we left that away from family moments.

And that was incredibly helpful. And I didn't know anything different. So I didn't know they were being strong. I've learned subsequently that that strength of that nature is uncommon and perhaps unique. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place will stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm, character, and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything, from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca. slash host. I'm Jorge Ramos.

And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers. were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith.

But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation, public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paola Ramos as part of the MyCultura

Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We were getting a little bit older and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF disrupted, the kind body story. a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care. Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup.

While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands. And then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF disrupted, the kind body story, starting September 19 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Festi Club podcast season four is here.

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Hi, I'm Jenna Lopez, and in the new season of the Overcomfit podcast, I'm taking you on an exciting journey of self-reflection. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time. I wanted to be successful on my own, not just because of who my mom is. Like, I felt like I needed to be better or work twice as hard as she did. Join me for conversations about healing and growth. Life is freaking hard. And growth doesn't happen in comfort. It happens in motion, even when you're hurting. All from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Honestly, these are going to come out so freaking amazing. Be a part of my new chapter and listen to the new

season of the Overcumper podcast as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You know, how much do you think will and strength contributed to the longevity of his life? You know what I mean? Like how much of that was the will to be a father, the will to continue on, the will to live. Because it could be, it could be, it's almost easier to be like, you know what, fuck this. You know what I mean? I'm not going to fight because I can't live like this.

You got to watch the documentary. No, I know. You're going to learn, but, but it was a choice. I mean, maybe that's the way to put it. Like it was a choice for him to live. And he, he made, he made that choice. Aside from medicine aside, aside. And all of that, just the pure will to continue.

And this is what, this again is why Dana is amazing. So one of the things that they, they show, they just, we describe in this film, but our dad spoke about quite a lot after is that he credits her with saving his life. But the thing that sometimes gets overlooked in this story is how she opened that conversation with him. So it was in the very early days, still in the intensive care unit, still completely touch and go. And she says, I am going to do whatever you want to do. do because it is your life and you get to live it but you're still you and i love you and what i

love about that is not only was she reminding him that she was with him through thick and thin that she was his life partner she was going to be there but she was making him opt in she was making him choose and saying i and she was giving him the power and he chose life and he said you know from that moment he was in he was going to stay our dad he was going to the provider of the family he was going to stay the partner to her so it was a it was a discussion between them and they chose to let that love continue and that partnership continue and god what a gift so beautiful oh my god that part of that that yeah it's so well done the documentary is so well done too because you really do it's i i i i taking sort of the the sort of accident and the

trajectory of what happened after. It also really delves into his career and how interesting it was for him to be this real serious Juilliard actor who loved what he did as an actor and his desire to be an artist and take this chance on Superman something that, you know, was sort of considered like, you know, possibly the kiss of death. Don't do that, you know, you're going to destroy your ability to be an actor, you know, and taking us through that journey is also so fascinating. I think a lot of people will learn so much about not only him as an artist, but and his love for his art, but the industry and how, what an interesting story, you know. I do want to say one thing, you know, you will, I, and again, just bringing it back to sort of

the sibling dynamic, you lost your mom and dad. You were 15. I was 13, I was 13 when my mom died and 12 when my dad died. Okay. So at 13 years old, you've lost both of your parents. And now I'm, I'm curious as to how the sibling dynamic changed or if it did for you guys, what that connection became after the death of your mom. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't sense a change only because Matthew and Alan and I were already so incredibly close. And we had already dealt with so much throughout our lives. Our dad was, again, my dad was paralyzed when I was about three. So we had already been through that. We'd been living for nearly a decade with that, everything that comes along with those circumstances. And as Alexandra said, we don't leave things unsaid.

So I knew where I stood and I knew how much they loved me and cared for me and supported me. I think back to all the times that I went to visit either one of my siblings at college. Matthew and I both went to school in the States and driving distance, both of them, from our home. And so I would like go up and visit as a young kid. I remember, like, I would spend the occasional Friday night with one of my siblings at college. And what a sacrifice that is for them to hang out with your 10-year-old brother instead of, like, going out. But again, much like my parents' strength didn't feel like strength because it was so normal and innate. Like, my siblings' sacrifices for me didn't feel like sacrifices because they prioritized me.

and cared for me and verbalized and showed their love for me at every turn. So that's a long windup to say that after my mom died, or backing up a sec, when my mom got sick, Matthew, who had been living in London and New York City and back and forth, moved home, but that didn't feel like a big moment because he was already home so much. And Alexandra, who was graduating college and then going to law school in New York, was always home. it felt like they were around a little bit more, but we were doing all the same stuff that we otherwise would do. And I think, of course, when things got really bad with my mom and then she died,

my siblings had to have the unavoidable hard conversations with me about what was happening and what was going to happen next. And because my siblings were in their 20s at the time, and my mom and my dad prior to him passing away wanted them to have a normal trajectory in life and not have to take care of a preteen. I moved in with very close family friends of ours who legally adopted me,

and that's part of our amazing, beautiful, strange family too. But Matthew and Al are part of that as well. So it's a very long answer to say, like nothing really changed because things were already so tight and good. If anything, we just shared more of ourselves with each other because we had to. Feels like... What about you guys, Matthew and Alex?

How did you feel about Will? Did you feel a draw? I mean, you are in your 20s. You are starting your life. But did you feel that this was just like became your priority was to be there for Will? Yeah. It was just a backtrack. For the record, it was no sacrifices were made when Will came to V.

I always felt back that our sports teams were so rubbish and will I love sports so yeah we go watch your games like man dude you had to have been

skipping a party or were you not getting invited to parties doesn't even matter or remember no you know I think we both just like

wanted to be there from as much as we could I mean we yeah so you know as that example sort of as we saw and as Dana

certainly did by example and other family members and friends and everyone sort of lent in and helped each other and and you know helped stand everyone up at the time of the accident um we had this kind of uh example to to follow that you know we could emulate i mean it there was no thought given to it it was just the natural instinct um i think for both of us so um and you know also yeah we were doing we got to do all the stuff we were sort of already doing whether that was i don't know helping to take well to hockey practice or to hockey games or just i don't know play video games or drop them off at a friend's house or go into the city and

see a movie or something like that so it was it was a lot more just doing what we could to help the continuation of normalcy which has always sort of been an underlying as a theme and strategy to sort of how everything that our parents ever tried to do for us whether when we were younger and our Alexander and I's parents were separating or at the time the accident, it was about maintaining normalcy as much as possible. And throughout my dad's time, in the wheelchair, one of the other things they also did was they always kind of wanted us and did this really well, sort of including us in helping out with him, whether it was like if he had a ventilator pop off, like we could reconnect it.

if it was like helping get a machine or call for the nerd. And like it was kind of like we're always included in a long, and it was just making it normal, which was, I think, very smart and wonderful. And well, he used to just climb up on his chair like, at like lightning speed and like sit in his lap from like, you know, super young age. And you can see the nurse be like,

watch the, that might be like. Yeah, but that was like, that was, I was like almost instructed by my mom, my dad, my siblings. Like, treat your dad normally. And to me, that meant we're going to fly on you like a jungle chip. Yeah. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects, or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure.

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I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country.

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This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paolo. as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I started trying to get pregnant about four years ago now. We're getting a little bit older, and it just kind of felt like the window could be closing. Bloomberg and IHeart Podcasts present. IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, a podcast about a company that promised to revolutionize fertility care. Introducing Kind Body, a new generation of women's health and fertility care.

Backed by millions in venture capital and private equity, it grew like a tech startup. While Kind Body did help women start families, it also left behind a stream of disillusioned and angry patients. You think you're finally like with the right people in the right hands, and then to find out again that you're just not. Don't be fooled. By what? All the bright and shiny. Listen to IVF Disrupted, the Kind Body Story, starting September 19 on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Super Secret Bestie Club podcast season four is here.

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Get in here. Today we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is The Deva of the People. The Deva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself.

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As a part of the Michael Tura podcast network available on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. I had this overwhelming sensation that I had to call her right then. And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation

and I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling. And there is help out there. The Good Stuff Podcast Season 2 takes a deep look into One Tribe 3. Foundation, a non-profit fighting suicide in the veteran community.

September is National Suicide Prevention Month, so join host Jacob and Ashley Schick as they bring you to the front lines of One Tribe's mission. I was married to a combat army veteran, and he actually took his own life to suicide. One Tribe saved my life twice. There's a lot of love that flows through this place, and it's sincere. Now it's a personal mission. I wouldn't have to go to any more funerals, you know. I got blown up on a React mission.

I ended up having amputation below the knee of my right leg and the traumatic brain injury because I landed on my head. Welcome to Season 2 of the Good Stuff. Listen to the Good Stuff podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. You were 13 and you lost both parents, right? Yeah. You know, when you're looking at that on paper, you are 13, you're starting to go through puberty.

It's such a big moment in a boys and child. Under the best of circumstances, yeah. Right, yeah. And, you know, obviously you're extremely well adjusted and you've got siblings and you've had an amazing support system. But from a psychological standpoint, I mean, did it mess you up in any way, you know, just from an, you know, an unconscious, you know, situation that now has presented itself in relationships or career or, you know what I mean?

Sure. or did you just communicate through it and talk through it so well and have so much support that didn't really fuck you up it's thankfully it's more of the latter and i i certainly there is a scenario in which someone could endure the things that have happened to me in my life and go off on a dark bad path and for me that never even felt like an option or a compulsion and I attribute that to a few factors. One being the support system you mentioned, which was Matthew and Alexandra,

my adoptive family, my biological family are scattered around the country, my teachers, my friends, their parents, coaches, my whole community around me kind of zoomed in on me to make sure that I was okay. And also the way that I was raised, both nature and nurture from my parents, the values that were instilled in me

and I hope are inherent in me of trying to do the right thing, of realizing your own humanity and trying to overcome that when it leads you down the wrong path. And I am incredibly human with more flaws than we have time to dissect. I'm happy to do a second podcast on all that.

Um, you know, where I have, and where I have gotten into it is in therapy. And that started. Once my mom got sick, she insisted, she never made me do anything ever, because both of my parents believed in me and all of us having our own agency and following our passions and doing what filled us up. But when my mom got sick, she said, you're going to therapy. And I was like, but none of my friends are going to therapy. Everyone's playing sports and hanging out and discovering girls and all that stuff. She's like, well, you can do that too. But you're also going to go see this guy once a week because you just have to. And first I started going with her. It was like family therapy, the two of us. And then after she passed away,

I continued going. So there was some continuity there with the same person. I went and saw him all the way through until I left for college. And he said to me, the last time I saw him was the day before I went to college. So I'm 18 at this point. And he goes, all right, man, like you seem to be doing reasonably fine. You're no more messed up than any other high school kid. So, like, you seem pretty good. Go to college and just be a college student because that's more beneficial to your development than anything else. So then I went to college and I was entirely focused on academics. No, I was entirely focused on, I was entirely focused on being a college kid and all that entailed. And then I graduated school and I got this awesome job in the field that I

wanted to pursue in broadcast TV at ESPN. So I was living my dream, living in New York City, being a young 20-whatever-year-old, running around with my friends, doing the dumb things that young 20-whatevers do no matter if their parents are around or not. And it was just sort of a long run on where I don't think that I was totally addressing every issue that I had had. I don't think that I was totally, I don't think I was introspective enough. I don't think that I was, I think that I was checking boxes. Like, oh, I go to therapy, so I'm fine and nothing's wrong. And it wasn't like I was bottling things up. It wasn't like I was ignoring things. I just felt like I had a handle on it. And there was never a scenario that like everything went awry.

I don't, it's, I am a well-adjusted person. But because I build the guardrails around my life, And I've made a million mistakes and we'll make a million more. But I'm self-aware enough to know what I'm doing, ish. And to finish my long ramble here, COVID was a good, COVID was a good moment for me in this journey to recognize my grief and whatever psychological issues that that brought on because it forced everyone to slow down. And I started meeting with a grief counselor who's specifically, an expert in grief and in COVID I had nothing to do we would talk like twice a week at least over zoom and that was the first time that I had completely stopped and addressed the wounds that I've needed to heal and that has been hugely helpful because now I feel like I have a whole new

toolbox that I didn't even know was available to me and that has helped me as I've matured into now a 32-year-old, like just continuing on with my adult life where I'm completely responsible for everything that I do. And I can't blame it on my dead parents. Not that I ever have, but I have to have agency here. That's been really helpful. So the TLDR of that is, I had a lot of great people. I made plenty of mistakes, but I'm doing okay. Yeah. But it's also amazing that you were 30, or 32, you were 30, 29, 30 years old when you, you know, decided to seek out a grief counselor to deal with unresolved. Right. I thought I thought I had that many years after. Well, that's something I've learned. Grief is permanent, which we all know. But they say that,

what's it, like the best day to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best day is today. same thing like grief is permanent it's a lifelong journey toward healing so I got started and I addressed plenty of my wounds and we'll continue to do so

it's going to be a lifelong process do you all have children I don't know you have kids they do yeah Alan does I like do you find that anything comes out

differently when you had your kids, like any anxieties or anything that you sort of didn't realize you carried until you had kids. I know, I mean, I always feel like my, a whole new life. Well, I was, I was young. But like, it's like every time someone has a kid, it's like a whole new life. You know, it's like, oh, you discover things about yourself. You didn't even realize because you're, it's a constant reflection. Yeah. And that's like totally, it's like you're a heart walking around outside your body, right? So like you naturally, like, want to protect them. I don't, sometimes people say, like, are you, like, extra protective of your kids because of what happened to your dad? And I don't think so. I mean, we're deeply involved still with the spinal cord injury in the paralysis community. So, like, we have awareness about not diving into the shallow ends of pools and being careful on trampolines. And we can give a lecture of anyone once at the PSA on that piece of it. But I think the real way that I've been shaped is, again, it's like that much of it, you don't leave things unsaid. Like, we talk a lot about our feelings with our kids and just have so much gratitude for,

like the small moments in life. And then the thing that I think I've learned the most from Dana, although others in our lives excel at this as well, is that woman could just create magic in any circumstance. She could create a birthday party in the intensive care unit, like when Will turned three. She could turn waiting in the grocery store checkout line into a moment where she's telling you a story

and kind of helping you pass the time in an exciting way. And like finding those moments of magic with your kid that you don't have to be in some fancy location. and it's not about what the latest toy is. It's finding those moments to connect and just create that special bond together. Like that is such an amazing parenting hack and it's one that I try and copy as best I can.

Yeah, do it early because when they're 17, I'm like, let's create a moment. I don't care. I don't care. I have a narrow window when mine still care. There's a sweet spot for that because I still try to do it. I'm like, his name's Wilder. I'm like, Wilder, come hang out for a second.

let's have a dad the son moment he's like dad like get out of my room yeah but that's normal too man you need like i like i had that we're talking all this lofty stuff about appreciation and leaving things they're not leaving things on said and all that but like we were allowed to be normal angsty kids right like yeah plenty of that like my dad was a neat freak and i now kind of him but then i wasn't and he'd be like you have to go clean your room and I would go take a Polaroid camera and take pictures of my room upstairs and then bring it down to him because he couldn't go upstairs and show him. And I hated that. I hated it. It was absolute bullshit that I had to do that. And I told him as much. But just because we were, we had this

newfound, enlightened appreciation for the fragility of life doesn't mean that it didn't suck to have to clean your room. Did he have a great sense of humor? It sounds like he had a really good sense of humor. Yeah. Yeah. Would he be self, would he be, would he be, would he be self deprecating given his situation? Comfortable, right? Not only you meeting someone with physical disability that might make you uncomfortable because you're not sure how to act, but also like at a certain. There's like some stature there. So he knew that people would be nervous or, you know, sometimes bless them. Like people would reach out and not realizing that he couldn't shake back. super mortifying when that happens right and so he was always ready with a joke just the

difficult situation like make light of it it was a big part of his life i have a very strange question that popped into my mind i can't wait to hear what this is oliver what happened to the horse what a good question so buck went on to live a very happy life was sold and another family got to have him and you know what's interesting is dad never blamed the horse He never warned people away from horse riding. I will tell you I actually continue. Horse riding was the thing that I did with him, and I kept doing it all through high school and college,

and he would actually come to my competitions and be supportive from the sidelines, which is pretty amazing. So for him, it was never about blame. It's just, you know, sometimes you roll the dice and you get a bad hand, you know, get a bad role as a result. It's very sad, but it's so beautiful and so hopeful, and it really does, it just does highlight how, lovely all of you are and strong

and I think it's going to be incredibly inspiring to so many people this has been really really cool talking pleasure it's so nice to me as well if I could if I could just fan out for one second Kate I talked about how my brother Matthew talked about how like we did a bunch of stuff together video games etc a lot of that was

me watching movies that I probably shouldn't have been watching at my age. So I am a Band-Aid. I am an almost famous OG from way younger than I should have been. And

of course, my favorite quote from the whole film was, I'm on drugs, which I didn't even know what that meant. But I dig music. Yeah, I dig music. Exactly. So that was a pleasure. Oliver, love you on Nashville as well, man. Like, you guys are awesome.

Oh, you're so sweet. Thank you. you guys. Thank you. You're the best. Well, I appreciate you guys. Appreciate your story. I can't wait to see the film. See you in person. Yeah, I know. Somewhere down the line. Yeah, likewise. Oh, that was the best. Ollie, I can't even tell you how wonderful

and this documentary is. And when I say that like Dana, you know, we know a lot about Christopher Reeves just because he's Superman, everything. And we know a lot about Dana back in the day. You know, she was quite present. And I remember seeing her things being by his side. But when you really see it in this documentary, oh, it just, it's just, it, there's something that makes you just feel so connected to, to her journey in it, too, because

what she was saying about when she really gave him the choice. Yeah. Oh, my God. And then the fact that she had to, she went all that and then had to like leave her, her, her, son i just i can't even it's crazy and they the three of them are are so articulate and yeah wonderful amazing uh you know i just i can't wait to see it it says a lot about about about all of them and like how they all came together and how connected they were and even gay their their mother um Alex and you know the that so connected during the time

and, you know, just, like, really beautiful story. Yeah, I'm going to watch it tonight. Anyway, I got to pee now. Okay, I love you. That was the best. I held it. Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story.

This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rule Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana, maybe a happy birthday from Ariana to me. I think the last time I talked to Tom, it was like, congrats on America's Got Talent. This is a combo you don't want to miss. Listen to casual chaos on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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