Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - I Schitt You Not…with Emily Hampshire

Episode Date: March 3, 2025

Oliver’s new BFF, Emily Hampshire joins the revelry all the way from Canada! The “Schitt’s Creek” star tells us how the Emmy-winning show ALMOST never happened!  Plus, we get the scoop on her love life! Is she really ‘up the creek’ when it comes to relationships? And why does Oliver think she won’t be single for long?  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sibling reverie. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling rivalry. That's good. Hollow Hudson here reporting live from Toronto, Canada, where a couple days ago a plane flipped over at Pearson. Miraculously 80 people. survived pretty crazy shit but that's not what I really want to talk about I want to talk about

my domesticity because I'm here in my house in Toronto and yeah you know I know I to do my laundry and I need to do all that shit but today my wife is coming and so I had to clean clean there's so much salt on the streets of Toronto right now that when you track it in it's like white splotches everywhere so I got the vacuum out I got the thing mopping I'm doing everything else and then I go to do the dishes and I guess for some reason I don't know

I put the wrong soap in I think it was like fucking dish soap not detergent so I go to unload the dishwasher and it's a fucking sud fest like pouring out and now I don't know

what the fuck to do I don't know how to get the suds out you know I wish there was there was like a rinse button I don't know I'm trying to make it sexy I'm trying to make it

I you know sheets are in the dryer I have to put the duvet on which is like the worst part trying to like stuff the actual sort of comforter into the duv in the duv but yeah

making it sexy anyway in the waiting room and I was Emily Hampshire and she's an actress you probably know her from Schitt's Creek but she's I think lives half in Toronto

half in L.A. I don't even know if she's in L.A. or in Toronto. Maybe we're even right next to each other and we have no fucking idea. Well let's bring her and let's have a chat.

You have the headphones and you have the mic because you have a podcast. Correct. Yes. They're brand new. No, I know. It's the new shit. Everyone's doing it. I mean, it's kind of old shit.

Like people... No, no. That's, I'm making... I'm joking. I mean, it's crazy. You know, it's funny, when I started doing this, I think it was like four or five years ago, and I remember there were 600,000 podcasts. And my sister and I were like, holy fuck.

That, I mean, how... What? That's so many. course now i think there's what like nine million or something yeah because if you started so i just just literally started this i'm very late to the party i'm like the party is so over and i just walked in but if you've been doing it for like for was it before the pandemic yeah yeah it was before it was before covid oh wow that's ahead of the game they were doing it in person and it was really fun and then you know bang everything shuts down move to zoom and now it's

everything stayed on Zoom. I mean, I'm in, actually, I'm in Toronto right now. Oh, I'm in Toronto right now. Are you in Toronto right now? This is what I wanted to discuss with you. Because I know you live between, what, L.A. in Toronto? Yeah, yeah. Okay.

Where are you in Toronto? I am, I'm doing a movie here. There's like four or five of these little kind of townhousey things, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Jamila, Jamil, do you know her? She's, I'm working with her. She's playing my girlfriend.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, my God. So I love her, just saw her in New York. She's the greatest. I mean, we, you know. Yeah, when she doesn't have food poisoning. No, I know.

And I'm not sure it was even food poisoning because it was like an eight-day situation. Only yesterday on set, she started to come back to life a little bit. But whatever it was, I think, has finally gone through her system. I'm pretty sure she's good now. In the movie, you guys are playing a couple. So did you kiss her? We did not. Oh, okay, because I was going to say.

say it's you, obviously. Yeah, I mean, it could. Yeah, it's exactly. I eliminated myself from that. No, we did not kiss because the idea is that I'm kind of married or divorced, but she's my girlfriend who I kind of bring back to my small town and it all hell kind of breaks loose, you know. Okay. And then, of course, you know, the married, the divorced couple, they get back together and saw her live

happy never after. you know so sweet and so cute so cute so you are in the snow it's crazy it's crazy i mean it is nutty i mean it really really is i like it you know i mean i grew up sort of in colorado as well i love the snow and the city snow too is fun because i don't experience it much i don't mind bundling up and walking out in the cold and you know hitting my face the other night you know my son's here with me by the way because he's actually in the movie which is a whole other story and it's awesome and so sweet and so fun but the other night I go to the four seasons and I have dinner you know by myself and I have a couple martinis and then I go to this play the Hazleton bar

which was actually really fun and it was kind of popping it was going crazy and everything was and I end up talking to people and hanging out and having fun and these like four Serbian dudes are like let's go to this like club and I'm like oh man I don't want to go to like I've you know and then but this is my problem I'm always getting myself into weird shit and I get in their car and I go to like this weird club and I'm like I get there I'm like I'm going to have one beer to be nice I got to get out of here you know what I mean and I get out of there and now I don't know where I am my has died. So now I'm walking the streets at like 130 a.m. And it is freezing and windy and snowy and every car that I'm trying to flag down to ask where the fuck I am. Thinks I'm a crazy person doesn't want to have anything to do with me. Yeah. Yeah. Which is rigor in Canada because usually it stopped. But I know. And I finally

made it home only to realize later it was right above Mimi's that Chinese restaurant. That's where I came out of. And I could have made a right and been home in three and a half minutes, but I made a left. And it was like an hour and a half. Oh, my God. Well, I'm surprised, though, when you said you got into their car, my reaction was like,

oh, my God, are you crazy to get into someone's car? Yeah. I realized, I do this every day. I Uber all the time. I get into some stranger's car. It's not that, I guess. No, I know. I mean, in hindsight, I probably.

I probably shouldn't have, but they seem nice enough. And I... And you're like a... I made it. You can help. You can like handle yourself. Well, not against four. You know?

No. I mean, but it was... It all worked out, but I don't think I'm going to do that again. Yeah, yeah. Maybe less similar. Maybe not when it's cold. Yes. Yes.

But I too like the snow. I grew up in Montreal and I snowed in school. Like literally. So you're in French. Yeah. Yes, but it's in France. Embarrassing.

So you grew up in Montreal. You're between L.A. and Toronto and then basically you go where work takes you? Or why are you split between the two? I go where work takes me and recently work has been in the UK.

So it's just a better flight and better time zone situation. and I'm feeling really grateful to be Canadian right now, so I've been spending a lot of time here. Yeah. Yeah. Also, I left, like, right when the fires happened.

And so this has been, it feels nice to be in the snow. Yeah, no, I bet. I bet. And so you grew up in Montreal, and you, how, do you have siblings? Did you, where did you grow up? Montreal, was it a creative family? Is this something you've always wanted to do? So I do have a sibling, I have an older brother, and grew up in Point Claire, which is in the West Island of Montreal, which is a suburb of the suburb of the suburb. And so really

small neighborhood. And nobody I knew was an actor. I just, when I, for my grade six graduation, my mom took me, got me tickets to see Le Miz. And the time I remember there was like, it was like really cool. It wasn't Coronado. It was some cool guy having a pool party from class. And I really wanted to go to a pool party. And I had to leave early, though, to go to Le Miz. And it changed my life.

I watched it. I felt like I left the earth. I never, I wanted to be in musicals, which is why any show I do, I always kind of ask the showrunner, I'm like, can we do a musical episode? Because I'm not like, I'm not a good enough singer or dancer

or anything to be in actual professional musicals, but when I can force people to make, let me do it. No, I know. So you saw that and that changed, it was just like, I need to be up there. Oh, yeah. Well, from that point on, I was like, I'm going to be an actor. And I made a contract with myself that I believe my mother has in some drawer that said, like, I will only do non-acting activities for one hour a day. Eight hours must be spent on learning. I would highlight entire acting books like the on audition, the Michael's shirt, like I, When you highlight the entire book You're just read the book

You highlighted nothing And I would make these notes And so yeah I just really Kind of went Really myopic on it And then I think the thing that really pushed it was

I did my first play In high school And my high school vice principal Came up to me after And I had like a really small part I remember I was like a stoner and I just said like, whoa, or something. I don't know. My high school vice principal came up to me after and she was like, you were really good.

You were really funny and done. That affirmation was like, I have got it. Well, just like that I was paid attention to for something and like she unsolicited. She came up to me and said something. And like, that's all it really takes when you're that sad. Yeah. Well, it's so funny because there are certain people who can take compliments and then certain people who deflect.

And I'm such a deflector of compliments that I have to, and within my own sort of psychology and, you know, the journey of self have had to understand why and then learn how to take in a compliment and just say, hey, you know what? thank you because I just deflect it. I don't like the feeling. I, you feel sort of fraudulent in a way, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting. I totally get that though because I actually, like, it's weird. I never, I didn't, I guess I never saw it really as a compliment.

It was just like someone believed I could do something. But that thing about learning how to take a compliment, like if somebody, I, like have had many a therapy session being like if you are giving the compliment do you want the person to be like oh no I don't I like your hair I like doing that and it's a nightmare right and so that's what got me to start thinking of like you just want someone to say thank you and like take it which is hard especially it is it no I maybe I was Canadian in a past life No, I know. It's weird, but it's important to try to, you know, take in that positive energy

and not just let it bounce off of you, you know? Yeah. It's fucking hard, man. And it is, the more, anything that I find difficult like that, the more I try to think of, like, if I was the other person, what would I want in that? And that's the only way I can kind of trick my brain into being like, oh, I don't want you to not. Take that. Mm-hmm.

I'm so good. No, I know. And my thing is, it's like, oh, they're just trying to make me feel good. They're not telling the truth. Yeah, yeah. You know, when you're doing something funny, you can kind of feel it. You know what I mean? Like, you did Schitt's Creek, right?

Were you on for the whole run of it? Yeah. Okay. You know, and you're working with Eugene who's fucking amazing. I've known him for a long time because. his, you know, Marty Short has been best friends with our family. We had a place up in Muscoca for 20 years. Oh, yeah, the cottagers.

Yeah, the cottage. And so we'd go to Marty's place and Eugene would be there. And he's just, he's just the greatest person, first of all. And so funny. All of them are. They're all amazing, right? And Catherine, I mean, oh my gosh. So you're working with like, fuck, man.

This is the, by the way, the improv, the improv royalty as well. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Oh, yeah. And so you know. when it's funny. You don't even have to have anyone tell you.

You know, you're like, all right. I know that work. I know that was good. Yeah, well, I would say there's something that maybe I've just heard this or something, but like I've heard people say like when it's really funny on set, it's not funny on the screen or something. Like when the crew's laughing along, I don't know.

Yeah. But like, yes, what I do love about comedy is it's a real truth teller. Like, you know if somebody's fake laughing or not. Like, you just know, it's horrible. It's like the worst. But with Catherine and Eugene, what was so great about them, you know them so you know that they're just like the most humble, nicest, no ego people.

If anything to a fault, like if somebody offered us a coffee on set, if you didn't go and get that person who offered you a coffee, and everyone else's a coffee, you looked like an asshole because Catherine and Eugene would do that. Yes. So it's like, but we actually didn't improv a lot

on that show at all, though. And most people think because, you know, they did that, but. You did not. Not really. We'd add like a button here or there. That's, yeah, exactly, exactly. I mean, you're-

But it wasn't like Christopher guest-stice. Right, no, no. But you're playing within the structure of the scene, but then it always sort of happens as a button, right? Or maybe in the middle of the scene some shit comes out or whatever, but not the entire thing.

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you get your podcasts. It's so funny because I ran into Eugene years ago and I had directed a pilot presentation. and I was then, you know, took that and was trying to sell it and I actually ended up selling it to HBO. It didn't, nothing happened with it. You know, it didn't go, but whatever. So, but I, yeah, and I had done it with my dad, and he was in it.

And just for the presentation, I ran into Eugene. And he goes, that's so funny. You know, I was doing, I did the same thing with my son, you know. You do a good Eugene. And he did it. And so he had shot. a presentation with his son, same thing. Same thing. And I was like, that's fucking crazy. And he goes, yeah, we've struck out at, we struck out everywhere, this and this and this.

And meanwhile, I had just sold my show to HBO. And I'm like, oh, wow. I was like, oh, man, I'm feeling kind of cool. Like, hey, you know, that your ego takes over just a little bit. You're just like, oh, yeah, like, you know, I love you, buddy. And I'm like, yeah. Of course, his fucking blows up in this massive show. But we had done it at the same exact time. And I think it was originally on free form, was it? It was on something called pop. So you heard of form you had not heard of pop. Got pop, right.

But this is so, this is such a great story because, and it's so present in my life right now, I'm constantly, because I've started pitching my own stuff and doing my own show stuff. And I always kind of bring up that Schitt's Creek went out to everybody with Cather O'Hara. And no one wanted it. And then when they had to do it with the CBC, which is our Canadian broad, our government dollars. And had they not done that, we never would have gotten a second season, let alone a six because no one was watching the show,

like until they were forced to in the pandemic. And then when we were over, we got nominated for awards. Isn't it unbelievable? how shit happens. Yeah, but that thing about selling a thing, like I did this, I wanted to make this remake of this old show called Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman,

and it was a Norman Lear show. Do you know Norman Learie? Of course, yeah, yeah. And I got this meeting to pitch him my show. I'd never pitched anything in my life. You were going to pitch Norman? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I pitched Norman the show.

Wow. It was one of the most traumatic things. I bet. I guys is like an icon. Yeah. However, they ended up wanting to do it. And I thought, oh, my God, I've sold it. And then I had to pitch Sony to see if they wanted to do it.

And they wanted to do it. I'm like, I sold it. And then I had to go out to networks. And this is all like new to me, this whole thing of like the steps. And then we sold it to TBS. I'm like, we sold it. And then TBS got rid of all their scripted and turned into discovery. And that's Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman.

And they, and so they purchased it. So they hired a writer to write the script. And you never got to shoot the pilot? Well, no, I wrote the script. You wrote it, got it. They did. They did. Yeah.

Stuff. And we had the pilot. And a lot of people who were with TBS at that time, the only thing that made me feel better about it was that people had shows that were day one of production and they shut down. And then nobody wanted to buy those shows because they were already like, I don't know,

peed off by somebody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. I know. You kind of burned. You know, it's like it's burned around town. Yeah. Can you get that back, though, in turnaround or no?

We did get it back. You did, okay. And then a series of things happened, like Norman passed away, and the strike happened. There was just a series of things that it ran its course, but it was the greatest lesson to me. It got me another job. But it was that lesson of, like, I, as an actor, I always thought, you know, if anything, things move so fast because you get cast and you have. have to shoot and there's no time to prep and but on the other side of it like how slow and maybe never going to happen it is and how much work you put into it for no money yeah the pitching

process then yeah yeah no I know we have I have a deal I have a producing deal at Fox and so it's I'm in the second year of the deal and it's been so fun because as you know as just an actor you're sort of limiting your creative experience, you know, because you're kind of at the mercy of other people, you know, a lot of the things that we get or have to audition for, they're not really what we want to do, but we have to make a living. So it's nice to have something that you are in control of. And it's been so much fun. We've sold a bunch of shows, but I understand what you're saying. The process is just molasses, you know, and you put so much work into it. You get the writers paid, which I'm very happy about. I love.

to, you know, provide work through an idea that I might have. But as a producer, you know, we don't get paid shit until that thing gets on the air. Yeah. That's what I learned, too, that also made me feel better about the thing because I started to feel really bad for writers who are just writers. You can work two years on a pitch and a thing. And if the show doesn't go, it's nothing. Like, I have a side job. But, like, yeah, it was, it's a real.

lesson in that. Also, I remember just them doing my contract. I've got to do a whole other series while they did my... Like, it takes so long. I know. I know. It's crazy. It is crazy. Are you still creating and producing other than being an actor? Well, yeah. So actually, fortunately, this Mary Hartman thing, um, uh, there's, uh, Elliot Page's company, Page Boy, I have read the script and hired me to do this thing for him, which I'm doing now and love so much. But it's, it is a lesson in how, for me,

how spoiled we are as actors. And now I'm like, maybe I just want to, maybe I'm just back on. Because, like, really, you get treated so well. You get paid so well. I know.

Way less work. Yes. No, I know. And now you're commissioned. You're hired to write a script. And you're like, oh, okay. here we go blank page page one here we go yeah except i do love the thing of like no like

to me writing is the best parts of acting without any of the bad stuff of like there's nobody watching there's nobody and you can do it like you just can play all the parts um which that's the greatest yeah no i see i love writing but i like writing when I have to fix. Oh, no, yes, of course. But I like writing when I have to fix, fix something. Like, if I have a script in front of me, and they're like, all right, cut it up, do what you want to it, make it your own.

I'm like, okay, great. I'm very good at that. And I know I can be great, a great writer, if I can just regurgitate, just vomit everything out and then go back and take a scalpel to it. I have issues. I mean, I have many issues that we. We can get into if you want. But my writing issue is that I get overwhelmed by the process and I just hit a fucking brick wall.

And then I don't know whether I have ADHD or not. I mean, probably do. I don't know. I think we all do. But like, you know, I think I cannot push past it. I get frustrated and I stop. You know. Are you a perfectionist?

Strangely, I didn't think I was. But, but after some self-analysis. not even in therapy, just yes, because if you're going to break down why I stop, it is that. It's like, oh, wait, it's not, it's not right. It's not right. Okay, you've got to go back rather than just fucking barreling through it. And then I'm like, okay, I got the first act, but holy shit, here comes a big second act. Like, now what?

I realize this thing that, and again, I'm so new to this, so it's not like advice, but this thing happened to me when I was pitching and, you know, you say you're, pilot in the pitch but I hadn't written the pilot yet and I was like I need to just write this pilot to know how to pitch this better um and so I wrote the pilot not having to write like nobody was waiting for it I did it over the holidays and I did the bad draft of like the whatever draft of it and the fastest thing that's ever come I think the best thing that because there was no expectations were just find out what this is. Find it out while you write it.

And then the best like writing advice I ever read was this. Have you ever read Stephen King's book on writing? No. It's really great. But the best thing in it to me is write something and then put it away for like two weeks at least. And then you read it again and it's like reading some. like what you're talking about when you

something else you can edit it and you can you know what the animal is but when you're close to it it's awesome yeah yeah no it's so true and it's just about barreling through it you know it's saying you know it's that no pressure who gives a shit draft you know

yeah which is easier to do when there's no pressure yeah no for sure but the thing is that again for me it's putting that pressure on myself rather than saying who gives a shit who you're not showing this and it was just for fucking you cares you know i used to have that with like auditions put i mean i still have to fight with myself for it just even putting myself on tape alone whatever

starting i couldn't start because i wasn't going to be great out of the gate and i was just if i didn't start then i didn't fail yeah and but the minute i started then it's like oh but i feel like this new thing of like do it badly do the world, do the worst draft. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's funny. I mean, coming back to Jamila, that's what I love about her so much is, you know,

she just doesn't give a fuck. And that allows her to have, like, real freedom in her acting. She's just so free, you know. Oh, see, I've never worked with her. I admire her work. I think she's amazing. But I didn't know that about her, which is the, dream to just give a shit about what people think oh i know that's the goal that is the that's the

true goal well when did you sort of have that moment where it was oh okay wait a minute i uh i can do this for living like i'm now making money and this is my job um i mean it was when i i got my When I got my first job, I did my first audition for this show called Are You Freight of the Dark? And I was so excited to get an audition, which is something I try to remember today when like if my manager or agent calls, I love them. But like, I'm like, why are you calling? I don't want to, you know, but like back then to get an audition, I was, it was success already. And, and I knew I wanted it to be a job. Like, then when I got that part, like, in the audition,

I looked right into the camera and did my mind. But I got the job of girlfriend number one. Yep, yep. And in retrospect, I really look back and think I had it good, how my career did go, like, started out in that part. And then I got like an episode of something where I had five lines. And then I had because I wanted it to be like by the time I was 16, if I hadn't worked with Leonardo DiCaprio, I was.

You failed. Done. Right. Yeah. And I did feel like I failed. But now I look back and I'm like, God, that was so good because I had things, especially being in Canada, you can star in like 10 movies. They go to TIF.

And all, you know, no one knows about it. them. And so you have that experience. And like, I remember I was in this, um, Cronenberg movie with Rob Pattinson and we went to Kat and it was going to be the biggest thing ever. It wasn't. And which was kind of great when Schitt's Creek happened. I was signing on to a show with Catherine O'Hara, Eugene Levy. I was like, this is going to be big. Yeah. And it wasn't. Yeah. It like wasn't. And then when we were done, when, When me and Annie, which Annie plays Alexis on the show and we're watching each other like, any offers, any auditions, you only did nothing, crickets. And then the Emmy, the SAG Awards happen and all that.

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yeah I mean Cronombrose holy shit that's so rad yeah yeah um he's amazing and for me nothing like I would have thought because he's just so nice And, yeah, and he doesn't give, thankfully, my friend Jay Barrichelle was in the same movie, and he was shooting before me, and I'm like, so what's he like, what's the direction like? And he's like, just be prepared that he doesn't, if he doesn't say anything, he likes it, like, if he doesn't give you direction. And thank God, he said that to me because me and Rob were in this limo, and so he was giving direction as, like, the voice of God. and all he would do was go like again okay thank you and then moving on and like but then i got to

know him and i'm like oh if he if he didn't like it he would say something and whatever but um so he when he when he wanted something else he would just say it yeah totally but he his belief is that he casting is the big thing for him and he believes that is he's cast you you in the park that you know what you're doing. And I'm like, oh. You've got it wrong. I don't know what I'm doing. Even I remember so Rob had to get, it was a Kronenberg movie, so this will make sense to you.

He had to get a prostate exam in the limo. And Rob had never had a prostate exam. And so that was, he was like, I'm not sure how you do. And David came in and bent over. showed, demonstrated how one gets a prostate exam. And that's the kind of director he is. Yeah. You go notes or he'll do it for you.

Right. That is amazing. Oh my God. That's so funny. Yeah. But like the nicest guy ever. Yeah. So that's the experience you take from. That's what you get from it. Maybe it didn't blow up the way that you wanted to, but you got to work with David Cronenberg. Totally. And you know, had that blown up, like I look back at where I was in my life, like, had that blown up, then it would. not have been great for me. It would, like, things happened.

And I remember, like, auditioning for things I really wanted and I didn't get it. And had I gotten that, I wouldn't have gotten Schitt's Creek. And that was, like, it's just all these things kind of really work out, I think. I mean, I don't. I know, well, that is so true. I mean, I think every, there's, you know, there's always doors closing and other ones opening. And who knows if they. there's a reason behind it or if it's just, I don't, that's a bigger question.

But, you know, when you look back at it, it always kind of seems to work out. You know what I mean? You know, I don't know if that's just because we don't know the sliding door element of it. We don't know what would have happened. So it's just our reality. So it's all worked out because it's our reality. Exactly. There is that core or something where it's like life is lived moving forward.

but understood backwards. And, like, yes, you need to understand it when I can connect to these dots. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So with your career, you know, were there hangups, you know what I mean? Were there depressions? Were there devastations? Were there relationships that got in the way of things? You know, what about the woman of Emily?

You know what I'm saying? Oh, God. How long is this podcast? I mean, one of the most. most, I guess, significant things was when I moved from Canada to L.A. In Canada, at that time, I knew the casting directors. I didn't necessarily have to audition all the time. People would, I'd work with the same people again.

They'd write me stuff. And then I go to L.A. And it's like very hard to get an audition. And if I did get an audition, it would be like those pre-read things. where you're in a casting director's office there's no camera and no and that was a real to me like I didn't know

I felt like I didn't know how to act in a room and something like if I'm playing I don't know an alien in something I feel like I could do that if there's like a camera or something but it's just in your office and you're just sitting there

and I'm just at your desk I don't know how to go full alien And so I started breaking out in literal hives, like full body hives every time I went into an audition. And so I told my agent at the time, my U.S. agent, I was like, so I can't audition anymore. I'll just put myself on tape. And he was, and then he dropped me, which was totally fair. I'm friends with him to this day, fair. But then the audition for Shits Creek came along.

and my Canadian agent who has been my agent since I was started since I was 13 I lived in her house and so she was like they're in LA go in they're Canadian they're nice and she like really pushed me to go in the room so you actually kind of quit audition you're like I can't do this oh yes very much so actually the Cronenberg thing came from a tape which was quite fortunate because nothing else came from the tape so yeah but that Schitt's Creek audition like my Canadian agent really push and I knew the cast

director from Canada and he'd come in and she was like Daniel Descent who was reading with you she like set up the scene and I went in and I didn't break out

in hives Dan has a story about what I did that I have no recollection of but like I don't know but anyways

but like I went in And had I not, it didn't change my life. And so, yeah. Wow. Wow. And then so through that, so after that, you know, Schitt's Creek ends. And then are you sort of on your way? Or was there like kind of a lull where you're like, wait a minute.

What the fuck? Yeah, yeah. Not just normally. Because also, when I got Schitt's Creek, it was, there was no streaming at the time. Right. Like that first year. So my Canadian agent was like. Like, and I didn't, I thought I was just the girl in front giving David towels.

Like, I didn't know where this part was going to go, but I wanted to people. And my Canadian agent was like, if you're just going to be giving towels on a show in Canada that's not going to go anywhere else, if you get an American series, she put in my contract that if I got an American series that didn't conflict, I could do it. And lo and behold, I got this show called 12 Monkeys that was an American series at the same time as sheds. And it didn't conflict at first. And then they went for a second season. And then I was doing shits during the day and 12 monkeys at night. And it was the greatest time of my life. Really?

Just work, work, work. Yeah. And everybody was so nice to me. Like the ADs would be like, you got 15 minutes. Just I'll tuck you in. Bring you something. And it's just like what I love to do is like nonstop work. But then they both ended.

Oh my God. So it was also it wasn't just like that it wasn't just that they both ended. They were both the greatest parts of all time in completely different ways. Like 12 monkeys. I don't know if you know the movie. Yeah, the movie. Yeah. I didn't see the show.

I didn't see your show, but I know the movie. That's okay. I played the Brad Pitt part. So it's a great part, right? Yeah, oh my God, wow. I got to do everything, and it was time travel. So, like, as an actor, everything. And then I got to do Stevie, who just the easiest job in the world.

Right. So all at the same time. And then that ended, and not only did I not have a job, I didn't think I'd ever get as good a job. Like, I would never get both satisfying both those things ever. And that's actually when I started kind of creating my own stuff. And because what I saw Dan do, Dan Levy, who you know, his hands were in everything. Like he, the size of the menus, the costumes, the creating a world of it was what I realized like, oh, when I do a park, what I love the most, more than the acting.

It's like with the ideas and what I'm going to wear, what I'm going to look like. what all that coming up with a character that shit I love and I even sometimes like I love working with people I've worked with before so like on 12 monkeys I get to have an idea and be like oh what if we did this and then it happens yeah and so I was like that is the only way I'm going to get everything I want right and then I did that and I got nothing He's got nothing, absolutely nothing and no money either. Not yet. I mean, that's the thing is it's just always a hustle.

It's always a hustle. At whatever level you get to, you're still hustling. It's so true. You know, Tom Cruise is still hustling to be Tom Cruise. Yeah, and I can see him working at it too when he's being Tom Cruise. Yeah, yeah. It looks hard. right it never ends it never ends but you're right about that it's at every every level because I think back and like when I got my first audition that was huge to me right now fuck do I ever not want an audition I know like but then now I'm doing like my manager just actually had this talk with me yesterday because I was like oh I didn't sell this thing and I was sad and he's like but

you did sell it. You just didn't sell it to the, like, I did sell it, but I sold it in the first thing and I wanted other things. You know, that was overlooked because I'm like, more. It has to be better and better. It does, yeah. Well, that's what drives us, but at the same time, we have to, you know, find that gratitude, obviously, you know.

That's what Jamila Jim Bill has. She knows what the fuck's up. Yeah. She'll quit. She'd be like, I don't want to be an actor. I don't fucking hate it. And then now... She wanted to spend time with her dogs.

Yeah. No, now she's done this and she's having a blast because a couple of gigs she was not having, you know, it was whatever it was. It wasn't great. And now she's kind of like, this is so fun. I think I want to be an actor again. You know, but I just love the conviction. She's like, fuck it. I don't give a shit.

Yeah. It's so great. I would think that I aspire to be that way and then I'm like, if, if you're, you're like, if you're I was like I think I always say this and they're like that's not what it means independently wealthy or like just just not have to worry about money things ever again then I could be that person yeah no I know but maybe I couldn't you know I know I get that I mean there's practicalities in life you know there's certain things I mean I have three kids I've got school I've got this I got my wife she doesn't work you know she just wants to be a mom

which is I fucking love, but now it's like, okay, blah, so there's a lot. And it's at every level, too, because like,

you know, I think people have this idea of actors and like even with the fires and stuff, you know, like Sarah Levy lost her house. Yeah,

and a lot of people are like, oh, these people are rich, they can afford their new, that's not, that's not it. Like, it doesn't,

I mean, it's, yes, it's easier on certain levels to be able, to start over and stuff but like it comes with its different issues and we you know doing shits creek people i get these dms all the time like can you pay for my hospital treatment and stuff because you're i'm like we we made Canadian dollar the equivalent of seashells yeah that's

right like under act draw like yeah no but it's this idea that you're you know and but the truth is i'm fine. I'm not too. I'm very happy. But it's this. You got to be good in your head. It's it all. Yeah. You're not married right now, are you? No, I'm divorced. You're divorced. Okay. So, I want to get into your love life for a second, but sort of how you balance or create space for someone, or even if you fucking want to, I don't know, but career. love, marriage, you know, is this, has it affected your love life? Has your career affected your love life? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. So I've done it all, and I'll try to get it in two minutes, a minute. So I was married for like eight years. There's great marriage and stuff, but I would go away for like a year, and then it wouldn't be, then I would think it would just be three months, and then it would keep going. And, you know, I, if I was on the other side of that, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship with somebody like that. So it was very difficult. But then, then I was engaged and then that day and then I realized that.

Oh, yeah, there was that. That does happen. You have done all that. But then I realized, like, I am married to my work. Yeah. And it's not lost on me that I'm a total workaholic. It is what I will choose it over everything. And so I decided I don't want to say I'm going to be with somebody when at the end of the day, I'm going to choose work.

And so I don't ever want, I don't want love or relationships or none of that. I have great friends and people and yeah. Oh my God. I'm done with love. Not forever. Oh, yeah. No, but I love working and even like making something it feels like that's your baby. I don't know.

I get it, I get it. For sure, but like you can't, it's impossible to say you're done with love forever. That sounds, you know what I mean? It sounds like scorned in a way. You can't. Yeah, it does sound scorn. Because you can't control. I mean, what if someone walks into your life and you're like, holy fuck?

Oh, my God. Wait a minute. See, I don't think I've got it. Like, I don't think I will spit because I'll be like, I'm writing my bad draft. I predict that it's not, that you are not going to be married to your work for the rest of your life. Well, I love people in my life. No, for sure, for sure. You're fun and you're funny.

and you're pretty and you're all of these things. You have great energy and you're going to meet someone and all of a sudden you're going to be friends and then it's going to be, oh, my God, this is cool. And then before you know it, it's like, oh, my God, you're kind of making out. And then it's like, wait a minute, this is more than just a night. Okay, oh, shit, okay, what's happening here?

And then in five years, bang. Yeah. Are we working together? Yes. Well, but watch me take that compliment. Thank you. Because you've done nice things about me. That's right.

That's right. So, right. So take it. You're so welcome. You're so welcome. Well, let's the three of us like go to dinner, get a drink or something. I mean, you're here. Yes, I want to get together.

Let's figure that out. Let's figure that out. Well, this has been so fun. I appreciate it. I'm here for another three weeks, so we'll hang. I think we should. I think that'll be fun. It's too much of a coincidence.

Like at one in the morning, I'll see you, like, trying to flag down and I heart off. You're like, nope. Exactly. Knocking on the thing. It's all of her. I'm lost again. Amazing. It was great talking to you.

All right. See you soon. Bye. Bye. Cool. I made a new friend. She's so sweet. She's funny.

God. I have a watch Shitz Creek. I'm like the only person who kind of hasn't, I guess. But I'm not. want to check it out because she's so quirky and quirky not quirky like corky like C-O-R-K-Y no it's quirky quirky quirky Oliver Q-U-I-R-K-Y she's quirky and she's why so funny yeah very cool all right we're going to hang out um I'm going to leave because I don't feel like talking anymore bye

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