Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson - It Runs in the Family with Charles Kelley

Episode Date: July 15, 2024

Oliver is joined by founding member of the platinum selling trio 'Lady A' singer and sibling Charles Kelley.Find out why the country-music superstar credits his pop star brother Josh Kelley for his own musical success.He tells us how his brother's fame shaped his own trajectory, and how close he was to losing it all due to alcohol.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And my name is Oliver Hudson. We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship. And what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no. Sibling Ravelry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling

Reveory. That's good. This is Oliver Hudson reporting live from Aspen, Colorado. Yes. We are back. I am back.

Sibling revelry. I was just I was in Europe I was in Europe You know what can I say I apologize And I had the best time with my family

Had the best time with my children It was a memorable memorable trip And now I'm here And I'm back And I was sick So my voice Kind of sounds better now I can talk like this

And be a real podcast I kind of wish my voice would stay this way. Anyway, enough about me. My guest, our guest, America's guest. Charles Kelly is coming on right now. I actually know his brother. I'm excited to talk to him about a few things, especially his newfound sobriety, which I'm very interested in.

Maybe I need to take a page. out of his book, if you know what I mean. Founding member of Lady A, formerly Lady Antebellum, and let's bring him all. What is up? Hey, brother. What's up, dude? It's funny, like, it's not lost on me right now that I look like a worn traveler who's found a kid in the woods somewhere.

You look like you've been on a bicycle for a little bit, maybe. yeah to do well i uh i shot 73 yesterday i'm a big golfer myself damn yeah well your brother i josh i've known and i met him through golf yeah he was always a stick i mean he was always a great golfer yeah i think i mean josh is always he who's the he out of all of us brothers like he if he played more like he could be really really unbelievable he uh he just he's one of those guys he's got so many different hobbies like you know like um that's the only way i can kind of even hang with them now just because i probably play twice as much golf as he does but he uh he beats

the mess out of the ball but but it's fun man we have growing up we played a ton of golf together and music but um how's your game it's actually not bad right now i think i'm uh um my handicaps like a four i mean i kind of you know if i fluctuate i can i can get down to a three and i can get as high as a seven you know it just depends on how much i play but but i've been playing a little bit better i figure a little something out you know yeah yeah my wife was like yeah i bet you did figured it out it's so true man like you you you figure one little thing out and you're like oh shit okay i'm in i got it like sign me up where do i need to go to like win a tournament and then a week later it's just it's the most frustrating game but that's the beauty of it too

It's my favorite thing in the world. I don't know, like, you know, growing up in Augusta, Georgia, he had to play golf. But it's funny, I played so much as a kid. I got to where, like, in high school and college, I didn't like it. And I kind of lost my game, and I kind of lost the love of it. And then finally, you know, I started kind of getting out on the road a little bit and playing. Honestly, you know who really got me back into the game in a big way was Darius Rucker. We've done two tours together.

And he wakes up every morning on the road and plays. place. Yeah, he's obsessive. I wouldn't play every day with him, but I would play like, you know, once a weekend with him and, you know, he just gets up early and we get out there. And I just slowly started kind of going, all right, you know, I don't have to be great at this. I just need to enjoy it.

And slowly but surely, I started kind of falling back in love with the game. Yeah, I had a similar situation because I played my ass off. I became completely obsessed with the game. And I got down to a plus two. Damn. And I was out of my mind. And I eventually burn out on it. You know what I mean?

And I don't like to practice anymore. I just go out and I'll play now and again. I'll get hot on it for like weeks at a time and then just put it away. But all the work that I put in to the game early on has allowed me to play golf without having to practice much. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I just love it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but was Josh into fly tying?

Yeah, Josh's been in everything, dude. Yeah, because last time I saw him, he's like, I'm like into tying flies and he's obsessing because I'm a fly fisherman too. Yeah, he's on to a new hobby now. He's a leather. He's a leatherman. He's making leather. He like literally made me like a belt.

He made me a guitar strap. He made, I think he made his wife, Katie, like a saddle. I mean, the dude is, he's so funny. man he but he's all in that way like growing up we would you know we had this garage full of just all these tools and just just junk around and you'd go out there and he's like making either he's like disassembling like an amplifier or like or like making like you know some little sculptures out of like wires and he just was saw it was soldering iron you know just he always was that kind of guy man he like you know i consider myself i'm like a one-dimensional

artist like i can say right songs that's it like i can't paint i can't do any of that stuff but my brother is like a true artist and yeah in that sense where like he i think views the world you know in a very yeah yeah yeah yeah no i know i get that what was it like growing up did you guys have how many siblings did you have so yeah i grew up so my dad my parents uh been divorced this house five but so my dad they and mom they i've got two oldest siblings a sister, who's the oldest, Christy, then John. And then 10 years later, same marriage, they had Josh. And then my mom was like, well, he needs a friend.

And so they had me. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Your parents divorced. No, they didn't divorce. They didn't divorce yet. They had their first family, essentially.

Yeah. So we had, say they had John and Christi. 10 years later, same marriage, had Josh and I. and then my dad got remarried and then I've got um well three uh half sisters one of them passed but um so my dad has had seven kids um yeah so there's there's a lot there's a lot of us what was that house like growing up I mean was it wild was it fun it was wild I mean it was fun I mean Josh and I were like twins I mean we were 18 months apart so um you know but it was interesting because like, you know, ever since we were seven or eight, you know, both our oldest siblings were in college.

So, you know, essentially it was just Josh and I and our mom, you know, living at that house for the longest time. And, I mean, we had a lot of freedom. It was kind of amazing, you know. I feel like that happens a lot with like that the youngest kids. It's kind of like, all right, we've been there and done that. And so we had freedom. And I mean, it was wild. I mean, there was a lot of music.

There was a lot of golf. friends I mean we our house was like the party house yeah especially in high school yeah that's like my house now because I have a 16 year old 16 14 and 11 and our house is the party house and interestingly enough when I was growing up my house was the party house yeah now that I'm the parent I think I create a safe space for the kids essentially I'm not judging them I'm understanding you know, I remember what it was like to be 16 years old, and I would rather our house be sort of a safe harbor, you know, than having them sort of be out on the street trying to, you know, manage. You know, I like that our house is the place that everyone feels

comfortable coming to, you know. Yeah, as long as nobody's driving, it's like, hey, we know you're going to sneak in this and that and that, but it's, yeah, it was, I think that's my biggest fear, because I've got to admit, I was bad about that in high school. I was like, oh, yeah, I'll take us somewhere. Let's go. So that's going to be the thing I'll watch more than anything with my little boy. But, yeah, it was just a fun environment, man.

I mean, we started out really loving golf because our oldest brother, John, the one that was 10 years older than us, he played college golf at Wake Forest. Wow. I mean, it was amazing. He actually went and played on the mini tours for a couple years. But, you know, as you know, there's just, it's so competitive. It's so hard. Yeah.

But he did that for a while. So we always kind of worshipped him, wanted to be a golfer. And then I think, you know, around when Josh and I were both about 12, 13, we started picking up instruments. He picked up guitar, picked up drums, and started playing music. And, you know, kind of that became more of our focus. But it was just, I don't know, really fun place to grow up. Was music in your family? You know what?

They like to say that now. Like my dad loves to be like, oh, I sing in the church choir. and yeah there was a lot of music though in our family my mom loved like R&B and like I mean just just worshiped like the Commodores all that stuff my dad was a big country music fan and then I had you know my two siblings that were off in college bringing home like R&M then it was like hooting a blowfish and you know Dave Matthews and my oldest process with like lead Zeppelin and black Sabbath so it was this crazy, I think, you know, combination of influences that, you know, I even think kind of slipped into a little bit of the sound of kind of where I ended up, you know, especially with our band Lady A is very like Southern Rock meets country, meets a little, you know, and I think, well, I think you can say that about, you know, a lot of this generation of artists is, you know, we grew up in the mixtape generation. So like we love our app, we love country, we love pop music,

I think we love it all, you know. Yeah. But, but yeah, it was, it was really fun. I do think, I do remember vividly, though, like my older brother bringing home Nirvana, I think I was 10 years old. And he had one of those little disman, you know, literally listening to that incessantly and like feeling this like visceral, you know, from like, smells like teen spirit and go on. And I could only imagine that's in a little bit of a way of what it must have felt like to

like hear the Beatles for the first time where it's just like I could feel it like my whole it's like yeah this is yeah so yeah it's cool I do have some of those kind of vivid memories and then you you had a band before Lady A was that with your brothers well back in middle school we had a band called inside blue we were doing like some blue stuff yeah in middle school yeah and inside blue before that we had a band called Spork um and like you know like KFC of the spoon and forth. Of course, dude, the sports. You know, we're like 12 years old wearing one day at school, I wore a sport necklace and got made fun of, so I took it off. You wore a spork necklace thinking it was like hot shit. Oh, I thought it was cool as shit. I was like, man, I'm in a band called

sport. Check out of this sport. So, you know, played in a lot of bands, you know, growing up. And so I was the drummer, and then I started kind of singing and drumming at the same time. And, you know, it's funny. It was Josh, like, would switch off between bass and a guitar and I didn't know he could sing like he never he was always a little i know it's hard to believe now he was always a little bit shy which is crazy because josh is like the most gregarious yeah yeah i know but like in high school i don't know he always kind of struck me as a little bit shyer than me and um and so it's funny when he went off to college he went to Ole Miss and, you know, I was at Georgia and he, uh, started writing these songs and sent him to

me. I was like, damn, dude, I didn't know you could sing. Like, I think he, you know, I don't know if it was just because I was singing and he just kind of had never really, you know, felt, felt confident to do it. And then you realize his voices like unbelievable. So, so yeah, we kind of played in a lot of cover bands, you know, growing up, we would play like, you know, different weddings or like our parents' friends, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'd play like, you know, 45 minutes and then and then I'd like DJ for 45 minutes you know we'd get back up there and play some more but when did it get serious you know I know was it always something that you wanted to do meaning no you know yeah because I was reading about I was reading about you you you had

you find did you get a degree in finance yeah thinking like you're on a different path yeah for sure I mean so it's funny you know growing up I had these I love how I grew up because my parents were divorced my dad was a cardiologist and then my mom, you know, stayed at home and took care of us. And, and I had these like two different lives where I could like go to the country club on the weekends at my dad, but then like be home and then kind of live more of a normal suburban kind of interesting life. And so it was, it was really interesting kind of some of the different worlds I would pop into, you know. And I, my dad was a really hard worker. And I think, you know, there was definitely a part of me that was like, okay, I want to be

successful you know i always have felt like i was a you know a realist at heart i was like this is a pipe dream golf's a pipe dream music's a pipe dream but it'll be a fun party trick you know the wedding and hop up and sing mustang sally or something yeah and so honestly if i'm being honest it wasn't until josh uh you know he had started posting some music um in college at old Miss and ended up randomly like catching the attention of this guy from Hollywood Records got a record deal and I started seeing Josh have success and that was when I was like oh my gosh like maybe I could try to do that but even then it wasn't really you know it wasn't really a realistic goal of mine I just didn't think it was

possible and so I had graduated Georgia in 2004 and I went and worked with my older brother in Winston-Salem, and we were like flipping houses, and I would like even, he owned like, like, like, like, Cohen, it's like, you know, dump truck, you know, like a waste hauling company too. And so, like, I would be like in a waste truck half the time. And I was like, I got this finance degree. This, this great degree. And over here, like, literally the landfill half a time. I'm knocking out asbestos walls. And I was like, I thought I was going to be like a finance guy. And so Long story short, about a year outside of school, I went out on the road with Josh for like two weeks and he opened up for Dave Matthews in the summer.

And I got done with that and I was like, that's pretty exciting for you, right? I mean, there's exciting, but is there envy or jealousy? Well, for sure, for sure. You know, because we've had siblings on for four years now and obviously Josh isn't here. but I always ask that question when you have one who's maybe more famous than the other because I deal with that with Kate. You know, I'm happy with my career. I want it to be better like we all kind of do and just move forward and be more creative.

But Kate has achieved this great success. And of course I have envy and I admit it. You know, it's like I wish I could have that. I want that. You know what I mean? But most siblings don't, they don't, they say, no, no, no, I'm just, I'm nothing. I'm just so happy. And of course you're happy.

But there has to be something where it's like, God damn. And I want that. Yeah, it's, I was about to say it's kind of, it's an interesting thing because it's envy, but it's not like you don't want them to have it. You know, it's just more like, hey, I like to share in that with you. Yeah, it's not poison, you know. I think that's what it is more. It was like, oh, man, gosh, you know, I wish I, I wish I could do that.

Or maybe Josh and I could start a band one day or one of those types of thoughts, you know. And so, but I say it all the time. If he was the one that encouraged me, he's like, Charles, what are you got to lose? He was like, you can always like new to Atlanta and get a finance job. He goes, just come to Nashville because he had just moved to Nashville. He'd been in L.A. for a while and he just bought this place in Nashville. He fell in love with it. And so I moved to Nashville and I'm living in this house for free at his house. Well, around this same time, he meets Catherine. And so if he's done on the road, he's in L.A. So I find myself like in this house alone. I don't know anybody. But at least I'm not paying rent.

Yeah. And so it's pretty much just got like hammered all day and didn't know what to do. And that was kind of, you know, eventually why I called up my buddy Dave Heywood, who's in the group with us and said, hey, man, I like, I don't know anybody. I know you're in Atlanta working like, do you mind if I ride up to Atlanta some, write some, then he would come to Nashville. And, you know, that's a whole other story. But basically, though, Josh is the reason. I'm in the music. Hands down.

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And then the breaks, you know, when did it become real for you? We're like, holy shit, because look where you are now, dude. I mean, you're an extremely successful band. Yeah, I mean, it's not it's ups and downs. Of course, like everything, but, you know. We've been in a band now for 18 years, which is kind of crazy to think. But so this is 2005. I'm in Nashville.

And again, I'm kind of there. I'm kind of floundering a little bit. But I say this, it was still a short period of time. I mean, I was probably floundering for a few. months and didn't really know what to do and you know josh would kind of come in and try to introduce me some people but it wasn't until dave decided um to quit his job in atlanta he had this like great job too dave's super smart guy he had this like you know computer accounting job at some someplace and so he he kind of had the same thing i think he was just never felt like it was a

realistic goal and but he was always talented i knew you know i grew up with dave and um he would always play in the youth group and stuff he was a really just a great kid and um and you know i just always remember him being super talented so anyways you know i kind of talk him into coming down and right and well he kind of gets the bug too we start doing some shows under my name you know he's kind of producing this stuff with um for me and like writing these songs with me and and around About three or four months of us doing this, I ran into Hillary at a bar in Nashville, and she was kind of singing with a little cover band. She would, like, go up and sing a song, come off, go up, sing a song, come off.

And it was the craziest thing. She actually, I started putting up some music on MySpace, really dates. And she loved my brother. So she loved Josh's music. And she's like, hey, I know who you are. It's like, you're Josh Kelly's brother. I saw you in like his top friends. I checked out your music.

You're pretty good. I mean, first time anybody ever recognized me. I didn't have, you know, nobody was listening unless they were fans of Josh. And then they would kind of click over. And so anyways, that kind of opened the door. And I was like, hey, we should get together and write some songs. You know, really, I mean, honestly thinking maybe I'll get like a date out of this or something. Yeah.

Yeah. And so anyway, she. comes over and we write you know Dave sitting at the piano I'm sitting there and like we play her this little idea we had and she just starts finishing the line and you know it was it was the first song we ever wrote was this song called um all we'd ever need which ended up being on our first record and it was just this weird thing man I like we started writing some songs honestly I think Dave and I thought maybe we would just write songs for her like she had this way voice we were like this girl's a star she's already she was already kind of tied in with some people

in nashville and um and so after about like the fourth or fifth song and we had them kind of recorded um i was like man there's something here and i was like i caught up hitherine i was like got this crazy idea of starting a man i was like no pressure we'll just do it on the side if if it doesn't take off or nobody cares no big deal well you know i'll chase my thing you chase your thing and immediately it was just like we put it up and it was just amazing to just you could just tell it had something you know and my friends and my dad like called me up and was like whatever this is this is fresh and josh said the same thing he was like we had love don't live here which was our first single and just a little you know crummy little demo of it up there and

josh was like this is this is really cool and so we started just doing some little shows in Nashville, our first show, we opened up for Josh, place called Third Linsley. And so, again, comes back to my brother. I mean, he was a huge, he was a huge launching pad for us. And just every month or so, we started doing another show and it grew. And I think by our fourth or fifth show, maybe a little bit more than that, we started having some label people come by. And, you know, within, I think six months of starting this group, we had like three

record deal offers. It was, I really just think it was just because there wasn't many groups. It was like, I feel like everything is right time, right place. 100%. Yeah. And I mean, it was just, there wasn't many groups that were doing much at the time. And especially with, with, I think, two lead singers, you know, kind of going back. It was just, it had the harmony part, but it was like, you know, we definitely were, we're kind of coming in.

I think with a little bit of a different fresh sound that was happening at the time. you know man so when that happens from sort of trying to find to trying to get a date potentially you know of course extremely talented and wanting to write music but it's like oh she's cute from there and then six months later you're kind of on your way i mean that's it's i mean do you would you have moments where you're standing there and out of the shower whatever and be like holy shit are you kidding like what i have moments now at the time at that time i didn't. I mean, it wasn't happening fast enough for me at the time, which is hilarious. Got it. Interesting. Yeah. Like, I mean, I literally, if I'm being honest, I had kind of told

myself, if something doesn't happen when I moved to Nashville, within like two years, I'm moving to, I'm going and just doing the normal thing. I'm getting a desk job. Yeah. Which is hilarious now because I can't imagine doing anything. I know. I feel like, you know what I mean? I feel like I had just like, for the longest time it blocked off this, like, certain side of the brain, whichever is the artistic side. Is it left, right? I think it's the right. I don't know.

I don't know. Whatever it is, it was blocked. And, um, I, you know, a little bit of that, I think comes from like growing up in like Augusta, Georgia, you know, you know, and you got just like, well, this is what you do. You go do this. There's not, I wouldn't call growing up in Augusta, Georgia, the most artistic environment. Right. And it's not like growing up in Austin or even in Nashville, you know, or.

Yeah. And so, um, you know, It was just crazy, though. Like, I remember just having this weird confidence. And I don't know if I've ever gotten that confidence to that level back since then. The first two or three years, I just felt like I knew and we knew where we were going. We knew it felt fresh. I don't know.

It just wasn't until maybe the industry can kind of kick you in the ass a few times. that you start then second-guessing and the pressure starts building. I don't think I really started feeling, you know, a little bit of the pressure and the second-guessing to the third record. It was like, we were going to follow-up needs you now. And I remember we cut like half the record and the label's like, I don't think we have the first single.

It was the first time like they weren't just losing their shit over everything we gave them, you know, for the policy records, it was just like, this is amazing, this is amazing, it's amazing. And then it was like, I don't think we have it. and that was like the first time i remember kind of being like oh man is it is this a good song is it not and so you know i've battled that probably ever since then well it's funny it's it's where it's where artistry meets business you know it's it's i mean every time yeah because it's like you said those first couple records you're just like a freewheeling it everyone loves

everything you do and then all of a sudden now we don't have it so now you are having to write to something rather than straight from your heart now it's like okay we have to write a fucking single what does that mean you're like i what do you mean write a single how did i what you know well that's and that's what's so funny i mean our first single which you know you know most most songs two verses three chorus the bridge our first single was literally two verses before you even got to the chorus and then it had a half verse and then a chorus out so like it didn't have a bridge rich had two courses not three it didn't even get to the first course to like a minute and a half i was like because we didn't know how to write a hit song but that's what we got fresh it just felt good

it wasn't formulaic yeah like after need you now it was like all right we need another one of those and it was like well that just happened i don't know how it happened you just right right um and so you know it's just funny well and i also too feel like you know the more records you go it's like, you know, no one's ever going to hear you like they heard you in the beginning because it was new, it was fresh. And so it's like, you get half of people are like, oh, it sounds like the last record. And then the other half are like, oh, I just wish they'd do what they did before, you know.

So you're always battling these demons. Totally. And I feel like probably over the past three or four years is when I finally have kind of come to this like, you know, just enjoy the process and not the outcome so much. Because I think people are always going to come out to our shows to hear those first three or four records and those hits. But it doesn't mean like our diehard fans and people won't discover the new stuff and that every now and then we can't have another, you know, number one song here and there.

But at the end of the day, people are coming out to our show to hear Niji Now, American honey, run to you, you know, because that was the first time they heard it. It also brings back memories. So as a band now, do you guys ever think, let's do something wild? You know, we've been doing this for 18 years. Let's do something so off the book, something that, you know, not on purpose, not for shock about it. You're not to try to, you know, gain followers, as the kids sort of say, these days, but more of, let's just experiment. I think, I think we're definitely in that phase.

And we have to a point, you know, there's definitely been some songs, you know, if anybody's watching or listening that, you know, kind of has followed our career. You know, we've had songs like this song called bartender or downtown or you look good that had horns in it, which was definitely a different sound than, you know, kind of our earlier stuff. But there has always been a threat of that. You know, I will speak personally, I have, you know, I did a solo record about eight years ago. That's right, yeah. And just for fun, you know, and that I've actually been kind of, you know, I'm like, okay, we've been banned now 17 and 18 years. You know, we've got families. We're not doing as many albums.

I have been kind of chasing something down that feels very different and authentic to me. That I, you know, it's hard, though, with a band. It's like, I can't be like, hey, this is where I want to go. Y'all, I want y'all to go with me. You know, I can present it to them and see and vice versa. You know, they could throw something at me and I'll be like, I don't really want to go down that road. You know, so, you know, I think it's always a compromise with a group. Have you had moments, you know, where fallouts, is this going to work?

We're done. I hate you. I'm out of here. I love you. Yeah. Has it been pretty consistently. I mean, we've had some moments where like, you know, it's gotten a little heated. Stop drinking two years ago.

And that was a big point of contention for a long time. You know, I always kind of felt like I kept it under pretty good control, especially on stage. But, you know, there were definitely some moments here and there. But, you know, we've definitely some moments where it was just like, I'm in a group of like two of the nicest people in the entire universe. Right. They're super religious. They're super friendly. They're super kind.

And I definitely had moments where I could be a little aggressive. And it wasn't even, I think, my intention to be like a dick. I just was like, I think this is what we should do or this, you know, and sometimes I think I could be dismissive without really realizing it, you know. And that's something I've had to work on a lot. And how much, how much did the booze contribute to that? Oh, totally. I mean, you know, you get done with the show and then you start drinking more and then you start rattling off what we did wrong or what could have been better or this or that. And everything, I feel like, has changed for the better since I stopped.

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that I had to call it right then. And I just hit call. I said, you know, hey, I'm Jacob Schick. I'm the CEO of One Tribe Foundation and I just wanted to call on and let her know there's a lot of people battling some of the very same things you're battling, and there is help out there.

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Our new super secret bestie is The Diva of the People. The Diva of the People. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove is hot, go and touch it. Go and figure it out for yourself. Okay. That's us. That's us.

My name is Curley. And I'm Maya. In each episode, we'll talk about love, friendship, heart breaks, men, and, of course, our favorite secrets. Listen to the Super Secret Bestie Club as a part of the Michael Tura podcast network available on the IHartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I want to talk about that. It's just like, I mean, what a big moment in your life, you know? I mean, I'm not about, was it really bad? when did you start drinking when did you maybe realize that like shit man this could be an issue

i mean it never got like again everybody you know my wife would probably say the opposite but i felt like it never got to where i was like you know lying in a gutter or doing this or like waking up every morning and like pouring a giant you know thing a bot oj or whatever but i definitely golf was a big part of it like it was my excuse like i get off the road i go out the golf course 830 well, I always play a little better after a few cocktails. Sorry to interrupt, but I did, you know, I played yesterday. It's like Pavlovian. It is.

I get to the golf course at 10. Yeah. I got two double vodka grapefruit juice to start the fucking day, you know? And you're just drinking and having fun and I put a little dip in. I'm just like, yes. Now we're, now we're off to the races. It's so crazy golf is like, it's hard. It's hard.

It's the most social. Well, I was in, you know, my two loves, you know, outside of my family, you're golf and music. And they're the two most socially acceptable arenas to drink in that you can have. And so, again, I think it was like I was going out all the time during it. I wasn't doing it. It was just like casual drinking and like, you know, even like getting off stage and like, you know, stay it up till two, three in the morning watching Netflix. and like next thing I know I've had you know five Woodford on the rocks for no reason after I'd already been drinking before and during the show and it was just like okay this is

this has gotten bad so I didn't like the way I felt didn't like the way I was looking and you know and things were hard I mean I think my wife was it definitely was creating a lot attention with her because she was she was just like you're drinking too much and you have like a you know a kid well hey you're a boy and I just you know know I think honestly what it was a lot of it was coming home for the golf course drunk and you know I have to admit I was driving home yeah drunk you know and I get back and it was like okay we got a kid like he could kill yourself kill someone else and ruin our entire life and so yeah but you know it was tough at first and then it's weird it kind of I have been

drinking since I was 15 and I'm I feel like I've accomplished every everything that a man could do in his drinking career the highs and lows the in-betweens and honestly it stopped being fun about four or five years ago

anyways like once it started like once I could tell like I needed it like it wasn't even like I was doing it to you know I don't know like in a casual way

or even like in a social setting I was just doing it to do it like it was just habit and that was when I was kind of like this isn't even fun anymore so it's funny i've kind of like i don't know it's really reframed how i look at life like i've just kind of looked at it like hey that was that was a chapter now what can i accomplish without this thing and so it kind of frees up a little more of your mind you know like when you're

bored because i i really think that's half the reason i was drinking it was just like bored of it okay i'm sitting here what can i what can make me you know sitting out here looking like right now looking at you know yeah out here at the pool a little bit more fun well cocktail's want to do that. You're like literally like speaking what it goes on in my mind. Yeah. Because I again, I function. I'm an amazing dad.

But sometimes I feel like I drink too much. You know, I'm this, I've got the same thing. Like if I have to, because we're in the mountains, we have the most beautiful view of the mountains. And, you know, if I sit out there without any kind of advice, I feel like I'm missing something. Exactly. And that takes a while. Yeah.

It will. And you'll have to like, I mean, that'll. like slowly you know it took me a little while too because i mean you know i mean i've never used to read i've like the last two years i've probably gone through 80 books and i'm like where's come from like i'm starting to pick up other little things there's definitely moments though don't get me wrong i'm like when i'm sitting out of the beach sometimes like ah cocktail will be real nice right now or like you know cocktail parties are really or you know i don't i can enjoy them i can hang for a little while, but like, you know, long dinners when they start getting past two hours.

And I'm like, I used to do that. I mean, I could sit there and go through wine all night with someone. But I feel like it's like one of those little, you know, weights where you kind of like, it's like, all right, that's, that's gone. But now, like, I crave the mornings. And like, I'm waking up at 637. And I'm like getting my day started. So it's like, I feel like I gain, you know, hopefully like, you know, my, my reward.

is bigger than that loss, you know? Yeah, this is like a good moment from me, even talking. Because I know, for real, because I just feel exactly what you're saying, you know, it's just about getting through the transition of that. And I've had moments, you know, like even my voice is a little fucked up because I was sick, you know, and just like a chesty thing. So I didn't drink. And I didn't do anything.

And I woke up every morning and I was like, man, this is, it just feels. so good, so fresh, you know, we don't feel like crap. And actually, yesterday was the first day I drank in like a week because, and now I wake up this morning. I'm like, oh, man, like, I had fun yesterday, but is it like worth it right now, you know? So how did that, but how did that transition work, though? Like, how did you, did you just stop or how did you get through it? Well, I actually went to, I went to a, like, a little place. It was definitely a pretty bougy little, you know, one of those little kind of rehab places, which I had always, I swore up and down, I'd never do anything like it. And, you know, and I'm in there with, you know,

people that I would consider are a little, are definitely more, you know, really like, like I said, waking up polishing off of dagam handle of vodka, you know, I mean, I wasn't there, but it was weird. I could start hearing their stories. I was like, oh, man, I could have gotten there. Yeah. Like maybe 10 years, like just slowly, because if I really look at it, I mean, I went from Weekend Warrior to then this or that, you know, a couple beers and I, you know, maybe have, you know, raging night here and there to literally every day. Golf course, if I was golfing, definitely drinking early, but even take that away, I'd go, if I was writing, I would, or a few cocktails while I was writing a salon that day, definitely when I came home at five, it was on. and I would drink till midnight. Yeah. Like, I pretty much could have a drink in my hand all the time if it was, if, if, if, if,

if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, I didn't get further faster. Yeah. But, but, but it was, it was really cool, man. I, I, I, I, like, if, like, alcohol is one thing, but really, I feel like I was spiritually kind of void. I definitely did not have any connection. with any higher power of any kind. Like I just was like,

I don't know if I believe. Maybe I do. Maybe I don't. And it was weird, man. I was there for about a month and it just reframed how I kind of looked at life. And I was kind of, I'd even kind of knew over the past five or six years that like I was waiting

for something to happen to kind of push me. I was like, something's going to happen in my life. And that makes me start looking, you know, for what is the meaning of life? What is this? Who's up there?

Is anything up there? You know, those kind of questions. And so I feel like in a weird way, it was kind of a blessing. You know, some things that kind of come together at the same time where like my wife was like, you got to do something about this or else. And it was around the same time my band was kind of feeling that way too. And so I look back and I mean, I'm like, damn, thank God, you know. And now it's been, I just celebrated two years.

about a week ago and it's just i don't know it's wild i never thought i could do it that's for damn sure were you there for a month straight well you get a phone at night and in the morning but like no cell phone just kind of completely just immerse yourself with other people and it was wild of how the stories how connected the stories were you know and and different but still like the same you know usually a very similar little little little thread of like how you got there and you know and um and what'd you tell your kid you know i mean told him i was at feelings feelings camp he loves we're all about like i think since then he's kind of realized it was about you know drinking because they're like oh you know he's eight years old so at the time he was six and

yeah and we're always telling him to be in touch with his feelings and and and when we're like daddy's at feelings camp he's like I want to go to feelings camp I'm like I don't want you to have to go but it was it was honestly amazing I mean I like I'd always like looked at it as like okay this is a place for people that you know wake up in the freaking bushes yes it's like it's not I mean it really is and and you know almost feel like you're you're talking about just how to be and how to live how to deal with anxiety how to deal with you know all kinds of different um you know, just pressures that kind of come in, uh, in your way. And, um, but yeah, it was, it was, I love that. I love that, man. I want to go to feelings camp too. Yeah, go to feelings camp. Now, that's great. And how,

how has it impacted your new life, so to speak, as you sort of talked, talked about this next sort of chapter. Yeah. And it's exciting because you're like, oh, what, what, what now, you know, it's almost a new guy. I think it makes so much things more possible for me now. I mean, my relationship. with my wife is a whole different thing now. I mean, it went from where literally there was a lot of little resentments. You know, I felt like she was trying to parent me, which was really she was just worried about me looking out for me. I mean, our connection is so much stronger.

I feel like I'm way more present, you know, with my kid. And the dynamic with a band has changed a ton. I think they know they don't have to worry about me or what I might, you know, how I might react to certain situations. and um and you know again i always thought like i showed up on stage and saying well and did this but then i kind of was reminded about certain little moments where i was like oh yeah i remember that night i definitely had about you know four solo cups of whiskey before that show you know i mean it wasn't like i'll be like oh i just had one whiskey or two whiskeys it was like no there was

were like yeah you know shots half a hole exactly and so like there was some of those little moments too so I don't know

it just it takes away this it's taken away this crutch I think and I have to just kind of be myself and I've just enjoyed it man it's weird I think it though it definitely has got me dreaming again

about where I want to go and maybe even some things outside of music that I might want to try you know but definitely like even like this solo project eventually I like I don't know if it'll be something I put out next year the next year the next year the next year but yeah I'm starting to work on it and like we were talking about I'm not afraid if it doesn't do anything or people don't get it

or I'm like well what do I got to prove anymore like I don't want to yeah I mean I want it to be successful I think that's a hardest thing when you've had a little success you you set this bar so high but I think over the years I finally realized that you know I really just just need to make music that I love and that the fans kind of can tell when you're when you're pulling shit and when you and when you're really into it. And so I don't know. I don't know if I would have had the balls to chase this sound that I'm kind of potentially going after. So I don't know. I think it's just going to open up a different way of looking at my career as well. And I think I just appreciate a little bit more. You know, I think I was kind of getting to this place where I was

like, all right, we've accomplished all we're probably going to accomplish in our career. you know probably you know and i'll go i'll have kind of like you know i'll be peter pan for the weekend get hammered do these songs i've sang a million times come back home and get back to real life and now i look at it in a little bit of a different way you know so that's cool i love that it's so great man that's so great how was that first time uh on the golf course on the golf course i didn't know honestly it took it took a few rounds you know because i like you you You can't lie and say that a good little buzz doesn't help. The problem in me was a good little buzz was great for a while.

And then it turned into where you couldn't see the fucking golf. Oh, dude. By the 14th, 15th, you're like, ah, shit, I overshot this. Yeah, yeah. It was always a perfect balance you had to maintain. But it hadn't heard my golf game, honestly. I mean, it took me a couple rounds to feel comfortable with it. September always feels like the start of something new, whether it's back to school, new projects,

or just a fresh season. It's the perfect time to start dreaming about your next adventure. I love that feeling of possibility, thinking about where to go next, what kind of place we'll stay in, and how to make it feel like home. I'm already imagining the kind of Airbnb that would make the trip unforgettable, somewhere with charm character and a little local flavor. If you're planning to be away this September, why not consider hosting your home on Airbnb while you're gone? Your home could be the highlight of someone else's trip, a cozy place to land, a space that helps them feel like a local. And with Airbnb's co-host feature, you can hire a local co-host to help with everything from managing bookings to making sure your home is guest ready. Find a co-host at Airbnb.ca slash host.

The Super Secret Festi Club podcast Season 4 is here. And we're locked in. That means more juicy chisement. Terrible love advice. Evil spells to cast on your ex. No, no, no, no. We're not doing that this season. Oh.

Well, this season, we're leveling up. Each episode will feature a special bestie, and you're not going to want to miss it. Get in here. Today, we have a very special guest with us. Our new super secret bestie is the diva of the people. The diva of the people. I'm just like text your ex. My theory is that if you need to figure out that the stove

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as part of the MyCultura podcast network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. but what about just the Pavlovian aspect like you've you're the golf that that wasn't there you're like oh I'm good that took a few times but like I you know I always I have little treats like I started doing like those little zen things I used to never do nicotine of course I do those and that's helped a little bit but like you know I'll have like a what it's coke or a red bull or something that make me feel like I'm doing something bad for myself yeah yeah and so you know that's kind of help but I the crazy thing is nobody you know I was wondering if like my buddies would give a shit nobody cares everybody's focused on their own drinking and their own game and their own you know

what I mean so like yeah no one's like oh dude you're not drinking today like no one I mean all my buddies know anyways but no one get shit like no one care and um you know so there's no like of that like fitting in type of thing um but you know there's definitely not like that hanging out the golf course for three hours after I know I know see it's funny because that's when I think about I'm talking I'm talking as if I'm I've got a problem but I don't I don't think I do honestly to be straight up but but there's a part of me that's like you're drinking not just too much but I feel like if I don't have a drink I'm not going to enjoy the moment and when you get to that point then that's what I've been questioning myself meaning like same as you I'm not

I mean, when I get going, I can get going. You know what I mean? And I hold my liquor very well. And it's not like you would know. I'm not outrageous drunk at any way. You wouldn't probably even know. But I can put them back. This idea of never drinking again is almost scary.

It's like, well, I have fun in my life. You know what I mean? Like I think self-awareness is the biggest thing. I mean, and you seem like self-aware of it. And so, I mean, even if whether it's this or another moment can be something, just be like, okay, I recognize that this is. can go can get somewhere let's maybe hold it back here and there in those moments um you know a lot's a lot of my buddies of course when i went through this are like yeah i need to start

looking at my drinking too and i'm like at the end of the day you know i go back i'm like i wish i could have just done this or this or that but the truth is for me it was i tried that many times like to just have two or three drinks or just beer and wine no liquor to me it was almost easier and it's not like this for everybody but it was so much easier for me to just say all or nothing like i'm to choose fuck my family fuck everybody i'm just it's gonna be all or you know and like to me it because it would just piss me off like on certain night like some days i was fine to just have two or three beers but then like you know we're out a nice dinner or some little thing for you know four or five hours and it was like i'd already had my my two or three drinks and i'm like

looking at my wife like, can I just want to have a little bit more? And it was like, that almost pissed me off more. So it was easy for me to just make that decision. But I do think if some people that kind of, you know, most people that have that little inkling that, hey, maybe I need to control it. Like if I could have gone back and tried to rain it in a little bit. But everything happens for reason. And for me, it's been a great journey. But I think you, you know, I would just always just kind of assess it and kind of see where you're at with it. It seems like pretty self-aware. Yeah, no, I am.

I am. We'll see. But this has been an inspiring conversation for me, too, man. Like, it's inspiring because, like you said, it doesn't, you don't have to be passed out in the fucking gutter. Yeah. Yeah. The issue is just about assessing what you want in your life, how you want to move forward, how you want to feel. When you said now you're a morning guy, like, I love that, you know.

It just feels so good to wake up early and start your day and feel great throughout the day, you know. I want to tee it up sometime, too, man. 100%. 100%. Let's do it. I'll need a couple of side, though, for sure. Yeah. No, I'm, I would love to.

Are you, you live in Nashville still. I live in Nashville. Yeah. Yeah. I worked at. I did, I was on the show in Nashville for two years. Oh, I know. I know.

I watched it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I was, I lived there for a little bit. It was, I love Nashville. Dude, I think that show. people always ask me all the time because I'd been in a national since 2005 and the amount of growth that happened and I literally have said it in so many different interviews into people like that I feel like it was this combination of the all show Nashville and then like artists like you know Luke Brian and like it was just something was happening but I feel like that show Nashville created such an intrigue to the town. And it's like this weird combination that the town just blew up right on that that kind of era.

100%. I mean, I bought a couple homes in Cleveland Park, you know, back when I was doing the show, and it was kind of a distressed neighborhood. I did so well with those houses. The whole place just blew up. I wanted to keep buying more houses. You can't go wrong in Nashville right now. I appreciate you taking the time from the bond. This is fun. Yeah, this is great, man. And don't spear any baby lobsters. I know. No more. No more I'm baby.

All right, brother. Well, let's connect, man. If you come to L.A., let's figure it out because it's teed up. All right, buddy. All right, brother. Have fun. I think I made a new friend. Podcasting is so interesting, you know, because you wake up, you got a podcast to do.

To be honest, you're like, oh, fuck, man. I don't want to do this. It's summer. I'm like, ah, I just want to go outside. You know, it's,

it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

it's kind of a pain in the ass. You know? And then you, you know, you get yourself to the computer and you set all your shit up and, and boom, on comes Charles. And,

uh, you've just spent a great hour talking to a great person who has inspired you. And, who could become a good friend. Like, you know, it's, it's amazing now.

way it really is so that was that was great i had a lot of fun and uh yeah maybe i need to go to um to feelings camp i laugh because i cry and i cry because i laugh um anyway all right that's it i love you peace Hey, it's your favorite jersey girl, Gia Judice. Welcome to Casual Chaos, where I share my story. This week, I'm sitting down with Vanderpump Rural Star, Sheena Shea. I don't really talk to either of them, if I'm being honest. There will be an occasional text, one way or the other, from me to Ariana,

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